Forward control to Mid Control Conversion (Dyna)

[@davegwinn3770]

Just picked up a 2001 FXD. This is gonna be the first project I do. Your video was VERY helpful to show me what I am dealing with. You have given me the confidence to do this project myself. Well done!

[@dynademos]

Glad we could help!

[@CanadianTopG]

Did you end up changing over to mids?

[@Outside_Easy]

Used this video as a guideline years ago on my first dyna. Lego followed the HD service manual to a T on this. Killed it!

[@bryan.dodge51]

Just completed my first time doing this swap on my 07 fxd in about 5 hours. Thanks alot for the video you really are a life saver. Straight to the point and correct info.

[@dynademos]

Glad it made it easy 👍🏽

[@bryan.dodge51]

@@dynademos hey man so I put my linkage and shifter on and it seems like my shift shaft is too tight in the casing because it doesn’t retract back on its own when you shift it

[@dynademos]

@@bryan.dodge51 it’ll wear over time dude just keep cycling it or u could try a bit of lube

[@bryan.dodge51]

@@dynademos she’s probably just a mid control virgin

[@dynademos]

@@bryan.dodge51 bahahahhhh

[@chrisoneall4100]

Can we get a parts list. Iys hard to follow the video for the part number's

[@MetrohMan]

This... still!

[@davidBarrel]

I second that

[@boxcarbro3043]

So happy you posted this. I've been searching for this.

[@dynademos]

Hopefully this makes it easier👌🏽

[@boxcarbro3043]

@@dynademos yo. So I took my time with this. Did it with my manual and your instruction. As far as I can tell, I did everything right. But the bike will not start. It will crank. But just backfires and makes a sound like its releasing air or pressure. What Im wondering and maybe this will be too difficult to answer through here. I did notice a hissing sound when I was both breaking torque and re torqing the compensator bolt... is that normal? Other wise im moving to looking for an electrical problem. Its just everything ran fine before I started doing this. The only thing I changed was better ignition cables and plugs. But I put on the old cables and didnt change anything.

[@boxcarbro3043]

@dynademos my ignition cables were backwards. Lol Started right up...

[@estebanmorales6568]

Mid controls are great for short people. If you want to stretch out on your bike forward controls are the way to go.

[@HeatherWells-m6y]

this helped my husband do this to my streetbob and he is impressed totally

[@dynademos]

@@HeatherWells-m6y ✊🏽 hell yeah hopefully it saved u guys money doing it yourselves

[@jonnymac8925]

Swapped my forwards out for mids on my 2018 forty eight and I absolutely love the change it made on the bike! Night and day and so much easier than on the Dyna since they are routed the other way. No removing primary covers or draining oil involved. I had to remove the front cylinder header off my 2-1 to get it attached to the frame but that was the hardest part which was 2 bolts and some muscle haha

[@dynademos]

I blame Harley engineers🤷🏽‍♂️

[@abbesire3264]

This channel is too underrated

[@dynademos]

We have way more dudes hit us up on insta with questions think it’s cause they don’t wanna get blasted in the comments hahaha I get it but Thankyou!

[@FatandFuriousOne]

Great Vlog, I didn't see a parts list, do you have a list of all the parts used in the swap?

[@PaulG75]

Great video. You’re always super thorough and easy to follow.

[@dynademos]

Glad we could help!

[@thakery5720]

I highly recommend replacing the primary chain adjuster while you are in there - the factory one causes problems over-tightening the chain - this can cause premature bearing failures ( the trans main bearing is a real pain to do), cause the splines to break in the clutch hub and hard shifting. There are several different ones on the market, some are spring loaded ( Hayden M8 etc) but do not 'ratchet-up' and over-tighten and some are manual adjustment. Manual adjustment are a bit of a pain (but handle serious power upgrades much better) as you have to take the cover off to adjust them. It is a good idea to have the chain adjusted to the higher (looser) 'free-play' figure on very high power motors as the clutch gets hot and expands thereby temporarily tightening the chain. BTW, those 'Allen key bolts' are actually called cap-head screws and the 'gaskets' on the starter motor, inner chain case cover for the mainsheet and inner primary bolts are called seals. It is a good idea to cover the trans mainshaft splines with tape so as not to damage the oil seal when re-fitting the inner primary.

[@dynademos]

Thakery good tips I’ll remember that next time

[@kleptik117]

would've took me about 4x as long to do this job without your vid, thanks so much bro

[@georgekalioras2618]

Bro that’s pretty awesome you Hooked him up like that. I liked the video right when you said that

[@dynademos]

Thanks man we’re all about helping normal dudes out that’s why we started the channel👌🏽

[@mmarlow6697]

Well done, great video!! One of the easiest to follow and understand I’ve come across. Looking forward to more…

[@johncolburn4353]

Great video. It was done straight forward like a PMI. Made me remember the old days of being a young a leather at club two 9 lol

[@manueldelacoba8623]

Very good video. I have not seen any KZbin video doing this job from start to finish. Keep Up the good work

[@dynademos]

manuel de la coba that’s why I did it 😬

[@lordtuscaskyp]

Thank you, im gona do the same on my street bob! Cheers from Portugal

[@kennethjoshua3325]

I need that mount that's in the center of the table.

[@deantaylor1512]

Too job and very handy to keep for future reference… I really need to get the inner primary out to paint /powder coat her up .. to many British winters I’m afraid..

[@bootszilla24]

I plan on doing forward to mid gears waiting for peg mounts. 2017 Dyna and is now an antique they had to order parts hope its as simple as you made it look

[@timbutler3213]

I'm seriously impressed you know how to do all that. I had NO idea it was that entailed...that's a lot of work to go from forward to mid controls...but good job. Impressive.

[@dynademos]

Thankyou sir all of of this is in the manual we did fill in some blanks but we are visual people so we try to help dudes out with tutorials 👍🏽

[@stevereckert208]

This will be my winter project. Thanks for the video. 🤙

[@dynademos]

Good luck dog

[@dylanmarshall7306]

Did this install on the weekend! Video was awesome man, I’m sure i speak for everyone but thank you!!

[@dynademos]

Glad it helped u homie

[@jccccc4065]

Just completed this last weekend. I recommend putting some anti seize on the ends of the shifter shafts.

[@dynademos]

Thanks for the recommendation 👌🏽

[@gabrieldompierre6797]

Loved to have this video when I did mine. 2 littles tips for you guys doing it. Most on torque wrench doesn't work on reverse setting. Be careful to not overtight like I did. And make sure the chain doesnt touch the border of the inner primary when you torque it because you're gonna dent the lip and there's risk of leak. English is not my first language my bad

[@dynademos]

Thanks for the tips ✊🏽

[@RomeoWhiskeyLima]

Nice video. Not trying to crap on your work just offering a suggestion. Jim's Primary locking bar is a better alternative to putting 175 pound-feet of tension on your primary chain. The locking bar isolates the chain. YMMV.

[@dynademos]

RW Long it’s appreciated someone else mentioned it I have that tool now not Jim’s but another brand same thing not worried about the chain tension as much as damaging the primary my bikes at 17k now so I’ve road it over 12k no probs but Thankyou

[@MetrohMan]

I see a parts: section in the description but nothing listed! If you could fill that in itd be awesome! Great walk through still man

[@abaddonelebravo2167]

first bike 2008 street bob, Great video! searching for parts now!!

[@dynademos]

Hell yeah bro shoot us a dm on insta we have a viewer made list

[@abaddonelebravo2167]

@@dynademos making a insta so i can check yall out, most descriptive youtube video MUCH appreciated

[@dynademos]

@@abaddonelebravo2167 Thankyou 👍🏽

[@user-zx7eo7nu4b]

Great video,worst thing I ever did was put forward controls on a 120 hp bike. Oh, No one saw you pull the entire clutch hub or the compensator assembly lol..

[@ardyrides834]

A parts list in the description link would be very helpful.

[@dynademos]

Hit me up on insta! Or I can email u let me know

[@andremartinez7912]

@@dynademos can I also get a parts list? This sounds like a project I want to tackle this winter. I don’t have an insta tho

[@taebert]

Very thorough and informative. Thank you for sharing this with us.

[@dynademos]

Thankyou!

[@mikeburton1703]

you are doing a great job...cause i will be doing the swap sometime later

[@dynademos]

Thankyou!

[@im4dice]

Thanks heaps for the video, made the job easy. Only note is my Australian 2015 streetbob had a T70 torx bolt holding the compensator rather than the hex in this video.

[@dynademos]

Ahh slight difference hopefully still helps you!

[@ianberry5879]

Thanks for the comprehensive video. I like forwards but even with the reduced reach brackets I made, I can't get truly comfortable on my 2015 Wide Glide like I do my old Deuce. I'll be undertaking this project soon.

[@dynademos]

Heck yeah dude hope it goes well !

[@ianberry5879]

Thanks to your video, I'm pretty confident in my abilities to do it right. Message boards and online forums just can't come close to a well made video explaining a mechanical project. It's either mid conversion, or a Rekluse clutch and a jockey shifter with mid mounts but no shifter on the foot controls, probably the former since I am trying to get this done by the end of June in time for a long trip.

[@goosenek8919]

Mean video. You guys are so lucky to have the ability to get aftermarket parts. It costs more to ship here than the actual part costs.

[@dynademos]

Sorry man if it makes u feel any better lead time for parts right now sucks

[@Kev_Stuntz]

Wow I appreciate the advice, nice tricks and tips

[@rod1960]

Something I missed was the shifter shaft install. Did you have a new inner primary or did you drill the hole for the shaft? Did you use any seals during shaft install?

[@mfrancatube]

I want to know exactly this!

[@wifyonk]

The only shaft seal goes between the two casings it slide's over the shaft before the front primary case is reinstalled

[@ReplyNI]

I think the inner primary is blocked up with some resin if bike came standard with forwards. Needs drilled out just

[@hagarvolkman5415]

Great Vid, Mate; Good depth & Commentary; Well Done Have to replace my Sons, Shifter Shaft; NP after watching You. Great Job;; Far North Queensland Australia 👍🏼✊🏼😎

[@dynademos]

@@hagarvolkman5415 hell yeah bro! Funny story never been to Australia but I been to East Timor.

[@JimHancock]

break loose, loosen, "breakaway torque" as a measurement, are common terms..... in my circles anyway... (I'm a photographer LOL) but in my first life I was a mechanical designer... and I have never heard the term "break torque" used as a verb..... it's a perfectly fine term... logical... and perhaps a common term in a mechanics world... I've never heard it used... but the next time I go to loosen lug nuts or similar, I'm going to break torque on each and every one before I loosen them, carry on, nice video.... :)

[@dynademos]

Very common in our world atleast 🤷🏽‍♂️😂

[@benaberhart1925]

Awesome video, exactly what I was looking for. Do you know the dimensions of the gear shifter levers ? I don’t know if the longer one was used on my bike when swapping out and don’t want to buy one if I don’t have to.

[@jeremyswaney4193]

Great vid. Thanks for the upload.

[@dynademos]

🤜🏽🤛🏽

[@juliobaez699]

Safety precaution REMOVE MAXI FUSE before messing around in the primary to prevent injury. Just thought I’d add this important information

[@dynademos]

Julio Baez good tip I’ll do that next time

[@nebulonv6015]

WOW. This video was EXACTLY what I needed, and it's amazingly detailed and concise. Thanks SO much for posting this. One word of advice: You may want to rename this video, I know that I had a hard time finding it... was searching for "forward control to mid control dyna"... so you may get some more hits if you throw the words "forward control" in that title. Just my $.02 which may help you out! :D Thanks again for this amazing video. Spot on!

[@dynademos]

Thanks for the advice I added it in👍🏽

[@KCRose56]

I'm a new subscriber and I've been binge watching your videos. My Dyna is a 1996 FXDS that used to have mid-controls. I'm lucky because it already has all the parts that you installed when you pulled the primary cover. All I need are the shifter and brake levers and the foot rest mounts. Are those Harley parts? I haven't found any aftermarket mounts.

[@dynademos]

Everything but the mid linkage and pegs can be bought via harley Thankyou for the support let me know if u got more questions

[@TravelingVine]

Great vid, super informative, thanks from Siem Reap Cambodia 🇰🇭

[@dynademos]

Scott McNeil thanks for the support!

[@alexalday1750]

Tackling this in few days. Thanks for the guidance. Clearly Marine corps air wing. Haha.

[@dynademos]

Idk how I never seen this but hell yeah lol just read the pubs 😉😂

[@adamhill2788]

I followed this step by step and turned out 💯 GREAT VIDEO !🤘🛵

[@dynademos]

🤜🏽🤛🏽

[@rileyhicks8421]

Hey bro! Great video! Can you help me with the part number for those one time use bolts and the small o ring. I can't find them in the schematic. Please help! Thank you!!

[@jbflyfishingjbflyfishing4068]

Another great video. quick question ? Is it the same process for older Dyna’s I’ve got a 94 wide glide? Your video was the fist to pop up the bike is new to me

[@kurtisroberts8485]

How much did all the parts cost for this?

[@jasonsturmer8666]

Great video! Keep 'em poppin'!

[@1luckyleppy]

Thanks for the video. Nicely done

[@gagegauchat6353]

Tough chance I'll get a response on a 2 year old video but I'll give it a shot. Do you have the part number for the tower gasket you were talking about? Throne that blocks the shifter shaft from leaking between the primary.

[@stanyuhas2060]

Great video, easy to follow and understand.

[@dynademos]

Thankyou!

[@westcoastrippin]

Legos Chop Shop 👏 Sick man! I need to drop by soon! Great video!

[@YungRasteezy]

Can we get the parts list? There's no links on the description of video..

[@dscrib6205]

Great detailed instructions, thank you

[@dynademos]

Glad it helped!

[@RidinDad]

Nice install man!

[@nathanlaidler9606]

Awesome tutorial! What brake rod did you use? I didn’t see you show which one you bought.

[@dynademos]

There are only 2 one for fwds and one for mids I’m sorry idk the part number off the top of my head

[@pablo6305]

I got 2010 sportster 1200 im putting mid controls on mine hope this is same set up. Thanks.

[@jhamilton968]

great detailed video. you guys are doing a great job with the videos.

[@dynademos]

Thanks trying to help dudes out

[@ozarkfloat]

I need to change over a Newley bought "auction Bike" 1981 (1340) Super Glide to a Mid Control. But I don't know if I will be able to find parts. For the mounts themselves I thought maybe find an old wrecked Low Rider to cut from. But worse I hear that 81 is too old and there is no aftermarket sale companies on Harley parts. I've never had a Forward control bike, and don't want one. You recon this can be done? I will ALSO mount "Highway Pegs"

[@dynademos]

From a quick search of “1981 mid controls” ebay pulled up a few options I think u could look into

[@morals57]

Great video! Very informative.

[@josephr6174]

Do you have links for the gaskets and bolts you replaced?

[@grahnens]

So fantastic good information!!

[@dynademos]

Thankyou trying to share it

[@grahnens]

@@dynademos I bought my first Harley. Superglide 2008. I have short leggs so need "mid control". Thanks to Your video i think I can do it my self! Thomas Sweden

[@kennethjoshua3325]

Where can I find the straight mid mounts, I can't find them anywhere, and Harley don't ever know what I'm talking about, lol

[@boomerguy9935]

I have two reason for riding mid-controls: my sciatica forces me to and the riding position gives MUCH BETTER handling. I used to ride forwards before my back problems and never got used to them because of the poor handling. If you've ever snow-skied, you will know what I'm talking about.

[@dynademos]

Never snow skied tried water skieing once I get the reference!

[@boomerguy9935]

@@dynademos Big difference between water and snow skiing. With water skis, you want the front of the skis up and your body weight back. This is the opposite of snow skiing where you want your body weight FORWARD with your knees over top of your toes for better control of handling. The rhythm of slalom skiing is exactly like that used in tight turns in mountain twisties or even doing u-turns in the parking lot. When making the turn in snow skiing you force your weight forward and downward just like the motorcycle racers at the track. Look at the extreme forward body position of the crotch rockets. If you apply water skiing physics to motorcycling you need to be on a chopper with forward controls, just like pulling backward against the tow rope from the boat.

[@jonathonwerner5968]

MC Airwing checking in. 46's and v22's

[@dynademos]

Good to see another a/c Mech💪🏽

[@garetharding1941]

What mid control mounts did you go with? Harley?

[@Robertwilliams-ql2qq]

Is there a bushing between the primary cover and the shift lever

[@Supaxiro]

Did he remove the zip tie off the chain tensioner before closing up the primary case?

[@Torch114]

Great video! I was wondering if this would work on a 2016 dyna switchback as well with forwards?

[@sidneyupton2873]

great job

[@welderup6669]

GR8 VIDEO THANKZZZ FOR SHARING!!!!

[@dynademos]

Fo sho!

[@hendradoang7904]

Hi..can you make a video mid control instalations for softail breakout?

[@dynademos]

Hendra Doang i would but i need a soft tail breakout to do it on

[@hendradoang7904]

@@dynademos cooll..cant hardly wait to see this video release, thanks man

[@squidy7175]

Is it possible for you to list all the parts you used. I have an 04 dyna that didn’t come stock with mids/ had the capability to have it

[@jonathanreilly6741]

Man. SUPER helpful video dude. One question I do have is the kit I purchased from HD containing all the replacement gaskets came with 3 black o rings that seem like they were meant for the shifter shaft. I didn’t end up using them but DID have the tower gasket that I placed between the two primary’s. Did I need to use those 3 o rings or is the tower gasket enough? Thanks again man! Jonny

[@traveller1973]

Good work. Thank you for the demos.

[@dynademos]

Thankyou for watching!

[@skydivemogi]

Love the vid! You've been a life saver! I'm currently working on my 2015 FXDB Street Bob. My father and I have come to a problem tho. The shifter shaft was moving nice and easy before we put on the outer primary. When we put the outer primary on, we noticed that the shifter shift was SUPER stuff and took a lot of force from our hands to move it back and forth. Is this normal? We don't want to fill it up with oil and everything if it's not. Thanks!

[@dynademos]

I’ve ran into that and I think the shifter just needed to wear a lil but eventually it loosened up u can try to lube it see if that Helps

[@skydivemogi]

Thanks, bro! We did just that and it moved a lot better. 🫡

[@leighwhitney7569]

FUCK I WOULD TAKE MY BIKE TO THIS DUDE ANY DAY !!!! GREAT JOB ..

[@dynademos]

Hell yeah thanks for the support man!

[@juliobaez699]

I really enjoyed the video. Thanks

[@dynademos]

Julio Baez glad u enjoyed 👍🏽

[@MoeLarrycurly1]

I've got forward controls on mine but I sure like with swap them out for mid controls if I could find somebody that wanted the forward controls

[@dynademos]

Instagram of Facebook good place to start

[@MoeLarrycurly1]

@@dynademos I'm on Facebook.. I never was all those other ones like Instagram and stuff. Thanks

[@alimh7931]

Hello is the tiers are tubeless ?

[@KosherDyl]

Hey man. Apologies for commenting on an old video. Just curious where you got that (what I’m assuming is-) Harley vinyl decal on your tank. AIA if it’s painted on there! Great video by the way!

[@dynademos]

Hey bro this was a viewers bike that was brought in not sure where he got the decals although I know apt of decals can be purchased from ebay

[@SantanaBinks]

Does the TC bros kit come with a brake pedal? I know it comes with brake side mounting

[@denisrichardson916]

Fantastic thanks pal

[@dynademos]

Thanks for watching

[@Fergdog4Ever]

What did you say at 18 : 16? Sorry - I didn’t catch it. How much are parts for the swap-gaskets, bolts, and everything besides the actual mid mount controls? Thank you for posting this. Helped me to see it it was much more labor-intensive and requires much more preparation than I thought. There’s a reason why professional mechanics can charge what they charge, thank you!

[@dynademos]

Use torque stripe but I meant loctite my b 😬 also total cost I believe including parts without labor is 500 or so depending on how cheap u actully get the mid controls for

[@robftz]

Nice Video..What year is your bike ? also I dig that headlight what is it..?....Thanks Rob

[@dynademos]

This was a viewers bike that reached out when I asked if anyone needed it done so I could make a video not sure on the model anymore

[@davefroess4536]

Do you have a part number for the 1” shorter shifter arm?

[@chevylover1992]

Was there a plug in the shift shaft hole in the inner primary? Or did you have to drill out the hole? Awesome video.

[@dynademos]

MyNameIsJesse yeah it’s just a plug I pushed it out I wouldn’t recommend drilling a hole if it’s even possible

[@chevylover1992]

dynademos this was my assumption. I just wanted to clarify. Thanks for the reply!

[@caseycarey5445]

Great video thanks! It helped me do the swap on my 2012 fat bob

[@dynademos]

Casey Carey hell yeah

[@fivespeed3026]

Did you have to buy a new outer primary cover? My Fat Bob doesn’t have a hole for mid controls.

[@caseycarey5445]

@@fivespeed3026 I had to get a inner and outer primary for it to work.

[@dillon275]

Hey, thanks a lot for the video. So we got everything put back together and my shifter is not rebounding when I downshift. Any idea what it could be?

[@mitchwittman4856]

Solid instructions

[@spirosrnw274]

How did you open the middle hole of the outer driver? Do I have to change the outer driver?

[@АлексКолесо-г2я]

Thanks more from Russia!!! 👍🤝

[@dynademos]

Glad we could help!

[@RoyaEnfieldBSAman]

Hi. Where did you get the kit from?

[@BerserkerNick]

I need to do this to my '11 fatbob, the factory forwards are incredibly uncomfortable

[@dynademos]

I think fat bob should almost be the same

[@klat6636]

So I have a moon mc light bar for my 09 fatbob..I bought the wiring harness but I see that some people wire directly into the headlight wire. Is this ok? Will that cause any future prolems? What would you do? Thanks and keep up the great work!

[@dynademos]

k Pont u can do it either way with the moons mc harness u can use the light whether the bike is on or off with a seperate switch if u wire it to the high beam it will come on with your high beam either way is fine 👍🏽 or u can do it to your low beam but it will be on when your bike comes on

[@klat6636]

@@dynademos you rock!! Thank you!

[@Rambolishus]

So the shift rod to size down, what is recomendable?