Shimano Profits Down 55% & Why We’re No Longer Working With Scott - The Wild Ones Podcast Ep. 37

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Welcome back to another episode. This week we’ve got an update on what’s going on with Scott and some of our other sponsors this year, we’re also chatting about Shimano’s latest financial report, and discussing some unpopular road cycling opinions from the internet.
Here’s the full breakdown:
00:00 Emily fluffed up big time…
00:47 Gravel is the future
03:47 Glasses are NOT made of glass
04:27 Why we’re not working with Scott anymore
16:39 Shimano profits down 55%
19:38 Dangerous e-bike battery recall
22:56 Unpopular road cycling opinions: ‘High end aluminium trump low end carbon’
25:44 ‘Aesthetic is everything’
26:25 ‘You should wear pro team kit’
26:54 ‘Black cycling kit is boring’
27:22 ‘An hour on amazing roads is better than 3 hours on average roads’
28:23 ‘Rim brakes are still a good option’
30:55 ‘There are as many dangerous road cyclists as there are dangerous drivers’
32:32 ‘Roadies won't acknowledge a cyclist if they're not in lycra’
34:24 ‘No one really about your bike except you’
34:56 ‘You need to strength train’
35:22 ‘Road cycling is dead’
38:42 ‘Base layers are a lie sold to you by Big Base Layer’
39:44 ‘FTP is overrated’
41:42 Overrated/Underrated: A cheeseboard at the end of a meal
45:00 Overrated/Underrated: Pet ownership
48:07 Overrated/Underrated: Racing strangers on commutes
49:07 Dog and battery problems (FUOTW)
50:38: ‘Should I film my cycling trip?’
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[@einomies]

We call it "commuting tempo" here. The rules are: if someone passes you, you've lost. If you pass them after being passed, you've still lost but so have they.

[@coastalson]

We call that Cat6

[@Shadowboost]

​@@coastalson Definitely CAT 6. Everyone loses

[@edlaverack]

Bit late to this party but that first 17min really is important, and especially for me and what I do I take a lot from these. For me it's always been about building something behind the scenes so that I can afford to do the trips or races I want to do, rather being told what I have to do. Transparency with my audience is the cornerstone of my channel and what I do, and although I've spoken about how I make a living and create funding for my own adventures I think I need to cover it more often after seeing this. Cade, and what this channel has become, has been a breath of fresh air in this cycling space and I absolutely love how you genuinely care about the community. Very relatable and it's why I keep coming back.

[@XNick291X]

I like how open and transparent you guys are with sponsors and where money goes for the channel!

[@iMadrid11]

This is exactly how Influencers should be with transparency. For product endorsements and paid sponsored video content. The amount they get paid is acceptable to keep privately. If they choose not declare it.

[@take3956]

I like that they talk about how they fund cool ideas and trips. But I think they have a fair bit to learn about advertising standards. What is declared and not declared on the channel doesn’t seem to be consistent and non of their titles/thumbnails have AD on them when some videos would definitely be defined as ads in the UK.

[@jameslowe2979]

'Rim brakes keep bikes cheep'...and light, and simple to maintain, and look good, and work really well. But yeah don't mix with carbon rims 100% agree.

[@sandervanelslander9964]

About the aluminium, there is a huge difference between different aloys (added metals copper, titanium,...). A huge factor is also the heattreatment. I often wonder if Aluminium frames have had enough RND time/resources for road racing. They were only the go-to frame for a very short period at the end of the 90's, but quickly replaced by carbon.

[@brianboschma]

Great reply.

[@mattswain552]

I would've liked to hear them talk more about the crossover between QA/QC and the frame materials. Typically, the cheaper models do have poor QA/QC resulting in things like shoddy BB shells etc. but even then it still happens with high end carbon frames. They didn't really talk about that - in fact they actually said most things are at a decent standard, which isn't really true when you look at tolerances.

[@colinvincent6599]

Some aluminium alloys used on frames are more prone to corrosion and have to be painted to prevent water bourne contaminants contacting it. That can be a problem with chips etc being an entry point. Something like 6061 T6 can be exposed to weather and won’t corrode in the same way if the paint is chipped etc.

[@joelecho]

Seconding this. Huge difference between different aluminium alloys, and big differences can be made in the size and shaping of the tubing.

[@phorest]

Right. "Aluminium" frames are really "aluminium alloy", hence big differences are possible between frames.

[@ish474]

Aesthetic is ALWAYS important. But, it appealing to you, not to everyone else, is the most important thing.

[@BloodyClash]

😁just don't let them do rgb bikes

[@stigz3570]

New cyclist and love the channel. The learning, the advice and each of your colourful characters! Thank you 🙏 ❤

[@crankgreenwatts]

It feels other channels shy away from transparency, where you are being up front and completely open, which the target audience loves. Chapeau 👏

[@kyankite71]

I'm so happy Bike packing is coming back. Those are my absolute favorite videos.

[@judosteffer]

Guys this is really really good, your honesty about the sponsor is actually brilliant content and for me has hugely increased your credibility. Love this approach of honesty and openness. Its also been very good that youve been doing entry level bikes.

[@TimsBaldwin]

One of the most genuine podcast episodes I’ve ever listened to, you give a crap about your audience and what they wanna hear and I’m all here the journey x

[@JayLato]

I’m just glad you squeezed out the Foil RC vs Addict RC comparison.

[@adamsibbald1163]

Another superb weekly video, I really hope this bikepacking trip has daily updates so we can follow your progress 🤞🤞🤞🤞

[@jmac74]

Really like these talks and your channel. Time well spent. Cheers from Portugal!

[@alexanderh2715]

Really looking forward to the bikepacking videos. I love this channel. Great info, great guests and topic :)

[@andrewmorrison2742]

Great channel guys, I think a move in content was the inevitable to keep it interesting. As for sponsors it is needed and appreciate you explaining things and good luck going forward, I believe it was always clear on the channel who was sponsoring it. I’ve stopped following a certain Lancashire lass due to no unique content and what I seen as hidden product placement. “Enjoy the ride”

[@jergleason15]

Best cycling pod out there! Appreciate all the entertaining and relevant content. Most importantly, you're always committed to growing the cycling community. Speaking to the friendliness of the riding community. I'm from Juneau, Alaska but live in work in the French region of Switzerland. I ride road and gravel. Always wave at fellow cyclists but frequently get a surprised look in response from other riders with a wave or no wave at all. I see motorcycles always honk and wave at each other. Seems like the cycling community should be just as much, if not more friendly than motorists 🤔Love to hear you guys show so much love on the bicycle. Makes me wanna ride in Newcastle ❤ Again, big thanks for all your work and being friendly cyclists. Take care

[@graememorrison333]

The non-racing, pretend racer roadie scene is, and always has been, rather snooty unfortunately. For some reason it brings out the vain wannabe in people.

[@darrengarvie8832]

I love the new set up of the channel not that I didn't like when Francis was solo but this set up is great and so many diverse people, and the channel can do different areas of cycling like James and Nick 😁 my hope is you all get bigger but keeping your humility in all you do. Keep up the good job.

[@gedheaton1415]

You guys have absolutely nailed it, by that I mean the connect between you and us, aside from your individual lovable characters,Honesty (massive in today's auto sceptical SM world), Integrity, Humour and just bloody good product and tech advice you're way beyond other channels and long may it continue. Massive thumbs up to all at CM. Keep doing what your doing. Edit- We need a CM lock stock and barrel bike pack road trip, the lot of you.

[@DaveNoakes]

Seriously impressed with all you guys have done! Keep up the great work and wishing you all the best for the future.

[@kadenlindsey358]

35:11 doggo smiling for the video

[@MrHedemark]

The doggie gets way to little attention. Poor thing.

[@obfuscurity]

Came here just for the doggo!

[@paulherring162]

Absolutely love how genuine you guys are with reviews and comments. Personally, I would love to see a show on winter clothing, as a head up bum down gravel rider that likes to keep warm while out riding.

[@dominicbritt]

I’ve been watching Francis’ channel since the beginning and find the new format a little frustrating, but I understand the reason and still enjoy the content. I sometimes am a little grumpy in the comments as I assume it’s all helpful feedback and hope it’s never taken personally. You’re all good eggs and engaging characters 👍. I couldn’t give a rats arse how you guys raise income - to me, your videos are free and I welcome any sponsorship you want to accept. I don’t get “influenced” by KZbin channels about what to buy…I like to research my purchases pretty thoroughly.

[@kevinbarkema1666]

One of my favorite podcasts, along with Chris Miller podcast. It’s like guys sitting at a bar just talking bike stuff for an hour. Perfect mix of tech, opinion, and reality.

[@MegaSixpac]

Nick sounds like the perfect person to ride with on a long ride. Talking helps the time go by.

[@andreemurray7039]

Thank you for a down to earth cycling show cantering for all types of riders

[@ohwhoaitzjoe]

I’m excited to see bikepacking videos again. They’re my favorite type of cycle vacations.

[@chefsize]

Everyone likes to get on about how rim brake performance are “still fine” or “still great”… sure. But, the primary reason to moving to disc brakes, and a significant reason why pro teams & manufacturers are switching to them is because they allow for wider tires & more tire clearance, and also allow for full carbon rims without compromising the wheels or compromising with heavier aluminum braking surfaces bonded onto carbon rims. The added benefit of a little bit better stopping power in the dry & significantly better stopping power in the wet, are really just bonuses, IMO.

[@matthewlewis2072]

Plus... disc brakes stop you. Wet, dry, whatever. You know, their job...

[@lasrachtech.1341]

What benefit are wider tyres to pro teams? My Supersix Evo (rimbrake) from 2019 can run 28mm although I run 25mm. Why run any wider for racing? And no pro teams I know of were compromising with “heavy” alu/carbon wheels. Pro disc bikes are only now approaching the UCI 6.8kg lower limit; something rim brake bikes could do with ease well over a decade ago

[@chefsize]

@@lasrachtech.1341 28s are wide tires. My 10 yr old rim brake R3, which I I recently sold could hold max 25 & that was barely scraping the frame. To spec, 23s were the widest that was “supposed” to be run on them.

[@nicholascarolan2193]

Exactly, so clearance for wider tyres on road bikes was not a driver for pro teams or manufacturers to move towards disc brakes

[@chefsize]

@@nicholascarolan2193 I don’t understand what you’re saying. Most race bikes from 10+ years ago could not handle any tires wider than 23mm unless being run off-spec & breaking warranty. Teams wanted to run wider tires than 23mm for aero advantage & reduced rolling resistance & they wanted full carbon rims - which carbon braking surfaces are a liability especially in the high mountains. Why is this so hard to understand?

[@themrch4oskol206]

For sponsors I really like what Gamers Nexus are doing. Their videos if sponsored, are sponsored by a specific product, that they deem good. Any brand will have good and maybe not so good products. Focusing on the ones you yourself can stand behind, is like a win win for all. Video sponsored, manufacturer paid and happy viewer, since they will get a good product. Loved your stuff especially on the cheaper end of things. Have a good one

[@technurd80]

Loved the podcast as always, only recently found your channel after get back into cycling this year. Have been binging the old episodes now too. Keep up the great work!

[@paulmorrison30]

You keep smashing it! Well done team 👏🏾

[@markwright5969]

Enjoyed that, thanks guys. New to the channel. 👍🏻

[@brianboschma]

Thanks for the show. PS - one can still get glass glasses, they just charge a lot more.

[@dominicbritt]

FYI regarding the crank recall - those costs to Shimano cover bike shop inspection fees, marketing, manufacturing and shipping - a few quick calculations show that failure rates appear to be well below 1%….

[@willhopewell]

Swapped my road bike for Gravel, Roads are so knackered around where I live and its way more comfortable, still super quick and use it everywhere. Went for the Cube Nuroad Pro and its unbelievably good

[@ChrisMeehan34]

A lovely hour! Thank you

[@VFXBishop]

I do love how many times you guys admit to doing documentation in places where you aren't allowed to or shouldn't. Fun banter though!

[@GordonChaffin]

I very much appreciate the transparency about the finances. I personally would support your Patreon if that still helps you in the newer Cade Media format. I am very excited for new bikepacking content, as I re-watch Project Vietnam and Project USA. Also, if it became logistically possible, I would pay a premium to be able to ride one day of a route with Jimmi, Francis, and other Cade Media cast of characters.

[@Jimmidoesstuff]

Both things I want to develop in the future.

[@mydearriley]

The Garmin boat motors are integrated with their GPS capabilities, allowing the motor to slowly, but autonomously navigate the boat along a pre-approved route!

[@oheso]

On a Lejog ride on 2019, I was greeting everyone we passed, particularly on the canals. And I almost always got a response, EXCEPT in Manchester.

[@quintennn]

I have a lower end aluminium frame but it rides very well. There's nothing wrong with it. Fork is full carbon, so is the seatpost. Wheels are a bit heavy but I'm going to swap with some carbon 50mm wheels which should save 400 to 600 grams. (new tires will also save some weight) Maybe switch to carbon bars in the future and potentially put on a lighter (electronic) groupset. I can't see myself lusting after a carbon bike (much more expensive) because I wouldn't get much value out of it.

[@KansasTreeCare]

Aluminum bike with carbon fork is a great setup

[@krissk77]

You can also get a cheaper carbon frame. U don't need to choose from the known brands... most also get their frames from China and brand them. Will get an aluminium frame then build it with 105 group set.

[@quintennn]

@@krissk77 that's completely true! I've looked a lot at chinese manufacturers and there are plenty that look like good quality. The main issue with Chinese frames is that they are often really really aggressive and since I'm no Vingegaard I can't ride those bikes. I ride endurance bikes and I don't see those often from Chinese brands...

[@spencerjohnson5824]

Love the podcast keep it up 👍🏻

[@neilcampion5265]

I’d love for you (& Nick) to do bracket test videos of bikes. Maybe a top 5 discussion segment on the pod. I.e. These are our top 5 gravel bikes £1000-£1999.

[@stanislaogerman3743]

Let me start by saying that I am a big Francis Cade fan ... I've watched his videos pretty much since the start of his channel and I definitely prefer the old, "daily" vlogs with its cast of colorful characters, adventures and off the beaten path races. On the other hand, it's clear that from a total subscriber number perspective this model has proven to be incredibly successful. I don't watch the majority of these videos but I wish you luck in your new business venture. Very glad to hear that Francis is going on a road trip. Hopefully, it will include some of his old comrades. Suerte

[@brabrabarabra5027]

On the topic of 'greetings', in France, some random people (mostly pedestrians) greeted me, a touring cyclist, with 'courage!', and I almost teared up every time because I thought that's just so sweet and indeed encouraging.

[@JohnSmith-eb8dt]

I appreciate the genuineness

[@dcm80s36]

Excited for new bikepacking videos!

[@TwoTroutCreations]

I bet Jimmy is right about an all-road style bike. My wife and I have quite old bikes and weve both said our next bike will be a 'gravel' bike that can also go on road. We'll each have two sets of wheels, which are a lot smaller than a whole bike and easier to store, one slick one gravel specific. We live in Arizona where we do have a lot of amazing Public Lands so we can explore a ton with a gravel bike. Also on Emilys point of friendly Americans, it changes all over the place. When I grew up in Minnesota, very very north, we had a reputation as being 'Minnesota Nice'. When I moved to AZ, the people I ran into were much more reserved and less friendly. That didnt stop me from talking to strangers though haha

[@void_presence]

Love your content--even if most of it doesn't really affect me as a casual rider :) it's suggested here that most of Shimano's stuff that they sell (as in, the majority of their profits) is fishing gear; just to be clear (according to what I could find), bike gear IS most of what the sell, about 80% of their sales are for the biking industry, with about 18-19% being fishing gear (the rest, 'other stuff'). Also, regardless if 'turtle/tortoise' is used as a blanket term for either, there IS a technical difference between the two--NOT the same species.

[@NduBi101]

Got very excited at the talk of winning cool stuff from the channel 🎉🤙

[@chelolelo]

For stiffness of a frame: Extruded aluminum or carbon to a shape that the engineer and designers of the frames will get the parts of frames formed to. This shape is what will drive the stiffness feel to a frame. The grade of aluminum or carbon used in different areas will produce different results. In carbon, the layering and glue will also play a part in flexing and any stiffness a rider will feel. Butted is a forming process done at ends of the tubing of steel or aluminum. It generally means that at the ends they have more material to make the weld. Aluminum is usually advertised as triple butted, where steel is typically advertised as double butted. This process also has the inner parts of the tubing thought of as pushed out towards the ends making the overall tube lighter and stronger at the ends. This too will produce a different result in feel and weight of a frame.

[@neilclarke-smith9431]

State of UK roads, especially in Winter, my Canyon Grizl gravel bike has been bike of choice over and over again - if the roads don't improve I can see 'grvl' bikes being the mainstay for most outings as they're fast enough when your avoiding pots holes that can damage cars and road debris everywhere!

[@2wheelsrbest327]

Its the reason I am just building one up.

[@beermonster1234]

Aw mate this is so accurate for me too. I want to build/buy one too, (planning on a bike fit first though) there’s loads of trails and canal pathways near to me which would mean I can try new spots I can’t take my road bike despite trying. The roads are fucking shocking after this winter too. Dying to have sometime I can ride on gnarlier terrain!

[@splashpit]

I got on board when you bikepacked Australia so I’m exited for more touring

[@lask2057]

With the videoing a trip thing, i find the iphone live photos are a perfect middle ground! You get about 3s of video and sometimes some audio too, so they’re a great memory for later

[@andrewschirmer3849]

2.5k likes from 78k views is the worst... what is wrong with people, Six stars as always. So much quality content and discussion.

[@chrisfusco2802]

Now that you don’t have a bike sponsor, bring that Elves frame back and put a real groupset on it for a review

[@FENCYCLIST]

I love your podcasts. Find them very entertaining, I'm not into ultra light stuff, just prefer a bike I feel comfortable on, I find gravel a bit of a marketing thing, back in the 80s used to do cycle touring on a Dawes super galaxy on routes people would now consider gravel, I do feel sad the dedicated touring bikes are almost extinct, I prefer a triple chainset for touring.

[@Philatlondon1]

Totally agree on FTP. Road racing is also about how well you can ride wheels/hide and read a race.

[@andarenbici]

I think it would be great to have good mid reach endurance road calipers on 35mm tires as a standard lower cost bike. Wider tires are better, but rim breaks can be good, easier, and cheaper. The problem I have with rim breaks is that we can only get narrower tires on them.

[@malcontent510]

Glad you _finally_ got to the revelation that the carbon wheels are _the_ limiting factor (aka culprit) for rim brake bikes. My rim brakes stop great on alloy wheels.

[@notkaty]

Think everyone's known this for years bruv

[@UKBROOKLYN]

It all depends on the quality of the carbon rims. I run rim brakes on Campagnolo Bora rims.. they have a special milled surface and stop on a dime. (You have to use the sacrificial red campag brake shoes though)

[@malcontent510]

@@notkaty my point was that Francis, et al. have never made that distinction for their followers, previously stating "just get disc brakes" - _implying_ rim brakes don't cut it, without qualification

[@Sutlore007]

I have been finding bright red cycling shorts for years to wear with my neon green jersey. Would be so cool, matching with my orange/black helmet

[@tobimaxx]

I had a Principia RS6 Alu frame back in the day. Was fantastic at the time.

[@jonathanhowson6420]

Really enjoying this. I’m more of an mtb rider but with a 20 month old and having limited time I spend about 70-80% of my time on drop bar bikes either gravel bike to work or road bike at the weekend. I have a tarmac SL7 which I have had from nearly new so about 12 years. Thinking of getting an Aethos Expert with ultegra and carbon rims. If I get that, ride it twice a week for the next 15 years then it seems to work out at about £5 a ride and the bike should still be worth something. I’m 36 now so getting a ‘race bike’ now as I feel I would get frustrated by not being able to ride as fast as I could during lockdown.

[@iansingleton]

Hi guys, I love what you guys are trying to create, I watch pretty much everything you put out and I wish you and everyone involved the very best for the future, for sure I will be with you. One negative point I have though is, you spend a lot of time talking about yourselves!!! No need! Not interested, I'm pretty sure not many folk are. You're supposed to be talking about bike stuff! 20mins in and you're still talking about yourselves. Get to the good stuff!!! 😉 Keep pedalling 👍

[@Litespeedultimate]

You just saved me a lot of money. Instead of buying a new bike I'll stick with my 1992 (3 x7 XTR) rigid "MtB" with an aluminium frame and a nice road geometry. Rides really well and fast with wide road tires, can handle massive width tires. 3 downsides: no handlebar with drops, no fancy name like "Gravelbike", weighs a ton.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

Here in the States, Gravel is getting huge. The local bike shops and cycling clubs are all in on it from a grassroots level.

[@MichaelSnasdell]

For Ruth... I would use a GoPro on time-lapse each day, then simply swap to a new SD card daily, or back it up to the cloud or a portable drive. Moments only happen once, a time-lapse would capture those things you want to look back on. And if you stumble across something epic, a couple of button presses and its filming in real time 4k Turn on in the morning, and forget about it. As long as you remember to actually turn it on of course lol

[@peterthomas8053]

Great video/podcast, as per usual. I have a question on the Shimano crank recall. How can Shimano give a figure on what the recall has cost them? I took two sets of cranks to a large local Shimano Dealer three months ago. I only found ou sevsn days ago, that they hadn't even stripped them down and checked them yet, and had forgotten that they have even got them on the premises. So, at this point in time, it's not known whether they will need to be replaced or not. Surely, Shimano's statement should be 'it has cost us £xxxxx to date'. I'm sure that there must be other people who haven't had their cranks checked or possibly replaced yet.

[@AwwSweet]

1. Cheap carbon was changing through the years and now evolved to simple thing - the frame will be with thick walls, so the frame weight will be somewhere around 1,5 kilos (with fork) or more. But it gives less chance for frame to break. The same relates to other bike details. I have 2 carbon handlebars from Aliexpress and they are perfectly fine. 2. Couldn't agree more about base layer. It adds just one more warming layer, not cooling or anything. Your cycling jersey has to be properly (well crafted/engineered) ventilated itself. That's what works for cooling and drying.

[@craigwilson1604]

I’m with Francis base layers for cycling you don’t need, but when I’m hiking I never walk without one, and in the summer I wear a really lightweight rab long sleeve base layer instead of t shirts because I burn way to easy 😂

[@markbarnard7219]

Jimmy. You’re looking in great shape.

[@taylorbrenn7191]

I just ordered a cheap Bianchi jersey to match my new bike. I'm pumped!

[@WillPower46]

UPP (Unified Power Plant) Most Bosch systems use this method. So are you saying all bikes wth Bosch batteries shouldn't be used? That's like all the major brands...Also if your charging cable on your phone or shave etc is coiled up when it is charging then you have created a coil. While creating a coil with a charging cable doesn't directly lead to combustion, it can contribute to several factors that increase the risk of overheating, which under certain circumstances could lead to a fire. Here's why: Increased Resistance: Coiling the cable creates tighter loops, increasing the wire's overall length and electrical resistance. This resistance opposes the flow of electricity, causing the cable to heat up more than usual during charging. Trapped Heat: Coiling traps heat generated by the cable instead of allowing it to dissipate freely into the air. This further increases the internal temperature, potentially exceeding the cable's safe operating limits. Damage to Insulation: Constant coiling and uncoiling can damage the cable's insulation, exposing bare wires and creating potential short circuits. Short circuits can cause significant heat spikes, increasing fire risk.

[@marcuspedala]

In many places, cars aren't even more abundant - they're just more conspicuous. A few years back, the city I used to live in was trying to elaborate a comprehensive mobility plan, including bike paths. They hired a firm that did a few studies, and the findings were eye opening. First, car ownership was about ~35% of the population; second, in many streets the number of people riding a bike in a given day would outnumber cars 2 or even 3 to 1. Bikes are just _a lot_ more efficient at moving people around, and people do use them, but most of the time we don't notice. Unfortunately the story has a sad ending, and despite the study showing how many people would benefit from better cycling infrastructure, nothing really changed.

[@cneubert28]

Coming in to give a thumbs up and listen later. Peace out.

[@olbucky9413]

I’m using a 6 year old cx bike as an all rounder…rim brake I might add…takes up to 38 mm tires which allows me to get away from all those cars you were mentioning might kill me. Btw I was pleased to hear you prefer 1hour rides…makes choosing a saddle easier for one thing😊

[@Tbo1235]

Big up Jim and the gang 🎉❤

[@Vixen1525]

30:49 Also consider not only good rim brakes, just use good v brakes or mini v brakes, if they can be fitted. Because they brake even better, when adjusted right, and can make up to some insane tire clearance up to 45mm or 55 at some points. My "trekking" bike has entry level shimano v brakes on it and it slows down pretty well, and although it ways around 15 to 17kgs, I can stop it very fast when going 23 Kp/H or faster.

[@Tailspin80]

I picked up my aluminium Giant Contend AR 1 this week. It weighs 9.5kg and (discounted) cost £1,450. It has hydraulic disks, Shimano 105 2x11, etc. I’ve never ridden a carbon frame but it rides really nicely and cost around half of a similar carbon bike like the Defy. I’m very happy with my purchase for now. Carbon next time maybe…

[@531c]

Here in not so sunny North Herts a gravel bike doesnt cut it off road between September and May, simply too muddy. For general riding on quiet rural roads my tank like 2021 Genesis Croix De Fer, shod with 45mm gravel tyres copes admirably with potholes. Horses for courses. If using my roadbike i often travel on busier roads but then i have to mix it up with 44 tonne Eddie Stobart and chums.

[@avocette]

The reasonably priced high-end aluminum frames can have better degrees of flex due to tube geometry/forming/butting and better welding tech that minimize concerns of old alu frames such as fatigue life and weld-heated stress fractures. TL;DR alu frames used to be harsh because the way to make them was rubbish compared to current times. now, they're quite comfy.

[@paulastin944]

From a rim brake fan/ user... an aluminium rim is a big disc.

[@squngy0]

If road cycling is dead, then it was dead for a long time already. Moving away from razor thin tubular, for example, was surely a bigger change then anything that happened recently. Bikes are just evolving, same as always. Beware of falling into the "Things aren't the same as they were back in my day!" mindset. Great pod as usual, I enjoyed listening to it :)

[@davebarrett2355]

Other people waving back - if I'm on my road bike in the summer the majority do, in the winter on my hybrid it's far less, even though I'm wearing the same gear. And base layers - they are a great for quite a few months of the year as I live in Scotland!

[@davidnicholson6680]

"Harshness" of aluminum frames was a thing when people were riding 21mm tires at 120psi. Tubeless 28s at 70 psi have solved that problem. The frames themselves are also far better engineered and interesting to look at these days due to the pervasive use of hydroforming. The Allez Sprint, Emonda ALR and CAAD 13 are all fantastic bikes. I challenge anyone to ride those bikes and justify the huge cost increase for the comparable carbon frame.

[@dcltdw]

Kudos on transparency! Also, love having Emily chiming in more often. And yes, please more content for entry-level / small budget riders! :) I'm only a fair weather cyclist in the US Northeast and I'm lucky if I lay down 100 miles each month during the summer. Lastly, I have no idea the diff between turtles and tortoises (ignorant Americans! :D ) and it's usually the US Midwest that's considered super friendly relative to the Northeast, South, Southwest, or West. I'm certainly not foolish enough to speak for other regions; when I'm toodling around, I'll wave to other cyclists and I'll usually get a wave back even though I'm clearly Not A Serious Cyclist (my usual speed is 12-14mph on a road bike).

[@beermonster1234]

Agree. Emily is very eloquent and consistently provides insightful opinions. Love hearing her contributions, the more the better tbh

[@edclay4685]

Please note that aluminum has different grades and weld qualities vary as well. Alloy 1100 to Alloy 5052 all affect quality of a good bike.

[@evanAmazing]

On the "no one cares about your bike" topic: I ride an All-City which has a nice looking (but not particularly extreme) two-tone paint job, and I have gotten compliments on the trails and during races here and there. It's not custom or anything, they just make them nice looking from the factory and folks appreciate it I guess.

[@ICYMIKE]

The trolling motor won't get you moving very fast lol, but Garmin can get you into some good weeds for angling.

[@echtogammut]

Regarding the fake charger, Amazon has an issue that they put all product items in a common bin. So, if you order a charger from the "Samsung Amazon store" it gets pulled out from the same bin as the retailer selling the 'fake charger'. I was wondering this after getting several obvious fake products from Philips and Oral-B, that I ordered from their "Amazon store". After doing some research I found a forum of retailers who use Amazon, and were having issues with their products being mixed with Chinese copies. At this point, if I want to be sure it comes from the retailer, I buy it in a store or directly from the manufacture.

[@jennibristol7720]

Hed Jet RC Black Series rim brakes wheels are a good option for rim brake bikes, if you want a deep section wheel with an Aluminium brake surface.

[@malcontent510]

For my fellow Americans, inverted commas == air quotes (sometimes they say the strangest things)

[@ryanwilliams1212]

Enjoyed the "Road cycling is dead" segment. Two thoughts I had while listening to this: First, gravel bikes may seem to be selling so many because it is a new segment and and people already have a road bike. Are people ditching their road bikes for gravel bikes at significant rates or keeping both? At some point I'd expect sales in this new segment to stabalize and I'm curious what the pie chart of sales by type looks like then. Second, I thought the trend prediciton that companies will sell more adventure/off-road specialized bikes that are road capable was interesting as that is aligned to what is happening in the automotive segment (especially in the USA). In the last 5 years the number of SUVs that have adventure/off-road aesthetics (and some have actual offrad capability) have increased significantly in the USA. I'm not sure how good strong the correlation between automotive and cycling trends is, but it seems people their vehicles to look like they can tackle any terain and maybe this is translating to bicycles too.

[@kevingolden1966]

I could listen to Emily talk all day 😍. 🇺🇸 multi sport listener 😉

[@r-d6568]

In the US, it goes by neighborhood and towns/city. There is a southern hospitalality. But there is an incredible northern hospitalality that people dont hear about. It depends on the city/town and the neighborhood your in. It depend. 😊

[@stephenbetley9596]

Some of Shimano's profit loss likely due to their idiocy over the latest 105 release and making it initially all electronic. OEM retailers switched their lower / mid bikes to SRAM. Shimano has been synonymous with fishing reels for a long time. Used them a lot in 70s/80s.

[@gur262]

If someone's just obsessed with lightness, a carbon fibre fixie sounds good. You could use a cheaper alloy rim in front, no brake in the rear. Rimbrake of course. Or both carbon and just avoid using it unless truly necessary.

[@markboyes6309]

Gravel bikes - agreed it will end up that way.... Look at motorcycles - biggest selling bikes tall rounders / adventure bikes / go anywhere do anything... Not many race reps sold these days! Great content from a great trio! (Not the old chocolate bar!)😂

[@jodykendrick199]

In the video you mention that the old Planet X carbon frames were too flexible @24:40. I have recently been looking at the latest Planet X bikes (EC130 and Pro Carbon) as a potential upgrade from a 10yr old Boardman Aluminium road bike. Does this option still hold true with the Planet X carbon road bikes that are being manufactured now? Thnx in advance for any insight.

[@jonathanrobinson2628]

A very interesting hour of discussion. A few of the unpopular opinions I would mention: * Base layers. Absolutely necessary when it gets cold. So below minus 5c. Minus 15c and below, you want that sweat away from your skin ASAP. * Strength training. For cyclists, I'd say it's very important. It's a non-impact sport, and to avoid bone density losses, resistance training is key. I agree with your point on mobility too. Increased muscle mass gives you a bit more protection if you crash too, but fundamentally is vital for long term health into old age. Frailty is lethal. * Road cycling is dead. I find that it's a bit odd that gravel bikes are so popular in the UK when there is so little actual gravel. I love gravel, and ride endless gravel here in Sweden, but sometimes it's just really nice to go very fast, so out comes the road bike. Please consider a visit to Southern Sweden if you want some truly world class gravel. I believe you guys must know Josh Reid. He and I have ridden here, so will be able to give you a fuller picture of the potential here.

[@andrewcharlesworth2512]

It’s just because our road surfaces are so poor- we need off-road bikes for ‘road biking’

[@jonathanrobinson2628]

@@andrewcharlesworth2512 yeah, fair point. I'm quite comfortable on the road here on 25mm tyres at 115psi with 102kg bw. That just doesn't work back in the UK