Free Folk: Customs, Origins, VIPs, and more - A Song of Ice and Fire

[@ThommyofThenn]

Thanks to everyone who sent in questions and even more to the folks who gifted! You know who u are.....

[@DavidLightbringer]

and thank you as always Tommy for being such a welcoming mod & face of Mythical Astronomy for the folks in the chat. appreciate you

[@alonnawood]

tommy of thenn! i like the ring of it

[@anneconner1108]

Not gonna lie I like Jon’s POV and all but wildings was not a subject I’ve completely obsessed over yet, but after this stream yall have peaked my interest in re reading some chapters and looking a little deeper into them 😊 This is why your my favorite ASOIAF streamer. Every video I learn new things about something I completely glazed over without even realizing it.

[@airwrecka97]

Great stream guys! It is always nice to see representation of the smallfolk/wildlings, and you both looked wonderful in your hats! Very glad I became a squisher and got to join this awesome community your ideas have built! 🫶

[@ThommyofThenn]

You even made your own squishers! The tenta-cool club is growing!

[@alonnawood]

your fellow squishers love you❤

[@Morbidaslo_official]

Dope stream!!! Thanks to David and Tim for hauling it as long as you did 💚💚

[@GeroldGarthcia]

It feels like were gonna be waiting for this Rickon stream as long as weve been waiting for winds. Jk great stream boys

[@cloverazar5315]

Streams like these are the reason I ride or die for this channel. Collaborative, upbeat, exhaustively researched, and encyclopaedically deep - and it’s always fresh tracks in the snow. Who else is doing a Wildling Tribe and Vibe stream? Who else could make it funny?

[@DavidLightbringer]

haha thank you so much for this, we feel seen :)

[@mehgancorker7242]

Great stream. Thanks.

[@wallybonejengles5595]

I would like to add the Jhogos Nhais culture probably evolved the way it has as a primary means of battling the Jhogwin. The swarming hit and run tactics of horse lords would be the best way for little men to fight 20 ft giants. It's even in the name kind of. Jhogwin. Jhogos Nhai. Their cultures name comes from their defeated enemy.

[@DavidLightbringer]

gonna work that into my script about the Dothraki, Jhogos Nhai, and Sarnori that's coming soon and give you a shout! Great observation!

[@natie3322]

Nope there is an Arkenstone in the books. The Heart of the Mountain. Thorin looks for it obsessively. But Bilbo finds it and gives it to Thranduil, to ransom for the Elves share of the treasure to end their siege. Bilbo had been promised a 14th share of the treasure so he figured he could choose the Stone.

[@sommer8337]

Excellent Stream @DavidLightbringer and Tim! Appreciate you guys!! PS- Love that Rickon is in the Title! So excited to hear your thoughts on him!

[@ThommyofThenn]

Maybe we will get adopted by some cool Skagossons and grow up a Freefolk prince

[@alonnawood]

so glad we finally got to talk about wildlings and rickon! praise garth!

[@dsdgjj]

What if the wildlings were left on the "wrong" side of the Wall because they were thralls?? thralldom is an element of First Man culture. that would give a reason why these people could be forced to stay as sacrifices, if they were more or less owned by the people who got to stay on the safe side. that also makes their commitment to their personal freedom all the more powerful, if there's this mostly forgotten genetic memory of a time when they were under the control of someone more powerful, and it put them in the ultimate peril

[@brunopereira6789]

Hello David! I'll be watching this one on the rewatch (still finishing the Halloween stream!). Could you please update the discord link on patreon? Thanks for everything!

[@lucaschapel7197]

Another wonderful video from DL, thanks for everything that you do DL! :)

[@MediCaitie]

THIS WAS SO GOOD YOU GUYS Love y’all!

[@Cassandrathefay]

yaye, i was looking forward to new content!! of every kind.keep coming g guys !!!!!! keep it coming !!we love you!!

[@tomaikenhead]

you’re my prometheus david. you brought down the fire of the gods and anointed me in it five years ago when i found your channel. mythical astronomy opened my third interpretive eye 🌝☄️ i wish i had the money to support you monthly. i hope soon.

[@monig7870]

Replay crew! Always excited for a Dave&Tim vid… also super stoked to see ‘em talk some Wildlings!!! (& Rickon too) Woohoo!!! 🤘😆🤘 Thanks in advance guys!💖✨💖✨ (😅Rickon next time, can’t wait for that one!)

[@brunopereira6789]

2:28:00 Thunderfist - Thor Hornblower - Heimdallr Mead King - Aegir Father of Hosts - Oðinn

[@Woodywyrd]

1:44:48 'gorne's way' of going underneath the wall sounds like the brothers found some way to get through the black gate, maybe having (maybe faux like jon) a defector of the night's watch within their host of free folk

[@DavidLightbringer]

oh that's a great notion actually

[@subutaynoyan5372]

Jhogos Nai overcame giants with the oldest trick in the medieval war-book. "Horse Archery"

[@Brellowcrop]

Did you know that Beowulf does mean bear but not in the way most people think. It actually translates to bee's wolf or bee eater, which is a bear. Having said that, it has lots of translations, too

[@zegreeno]

Great stream Dave and Tim!

[@ElitePeterPole]

Tim is great, as always!

[@Prince_of_Ruins]

Mance Rayder is the most VIP/wildling of all the VIPs you mentioned. His name literally means "house raider". I'm only a few minutes in, and I'm already enjoying the video. Thanks guys.

[@memyphoneandi15]

I swear this is my favorite KZbin channel 😝🤩

[@jorahtheexplorer3262]

Ned had PTSD and has a massive overreaction to any vioent story/hsitory 1:41:59

[@jorahtheexplorer3262]

My grandfather had PTSD (and was, unrelated to that a massively nasty piece of work) and had massive overreaction to any violent media and even once told my mum she needed to beat my brother and I because we were playing with GI Joes

[@DavidLightbringer]

yeah I don't see anywhere that he doesn't have PTSD from everything that happened. I mean he definitely didn't have anyone to talk about it with

[@jorahtheexplorer3262]

@DavidLightbringer sorry Dave I'm an PE teacher and I got hit in the head by a ball today and there are too many negatives there and I'm confused. Are you saying that you agree he might have PTSD or that he doesn't.

[@wallybonejengles5595]

If I made a Song of Ice and Fire movie, it would be a Gothic Tragedy about Bael the Bard and his familial woes. As a filthy capitalist, I would set up the Stark/Bolton tension and tease the coming fight between them so we can get a sequel. I actually do think this story would take two parts to properly tell. If I really wanted to take a creative license, I would want my movies to be a Trilogy so I can take time and flesh out the perspective of Lord Stark. The fact he is Lord of a Great House and is unmarried, widowed, and with only a daughter must have a really sad story in itself. My favorite stuff in ASOISF has always been the character drama. The primary thematic influences of my vision are probably borrowed from Hamlet, Petals on the Wind, and Dances With Wolves. If I ever get to make it, there is an open spot for you and Tim to be a comedic relief Maester duo.

[@magalengo]

Craster is a Godly man.

[@jorahtheexplorer3262]

Waymar’scsword will turn up as a random weapon used in the last fight, Jon scrabbles for a weapon in the snow after being disarmed and finds that sword and stabs an Other

[@jonhauge-evaldsson783]

I've been watching and reading Dune lately and the wildlings remind me of the Fremen.

[@jonhauge-evaldsson783]

And Dorn as well. The Dornish go underground when the dragons come. There are hundreds of other parallels!

[@yanvictory2832]

The last Great Templar Master was killed by fire. It makes me think about Jon Snow...

[@GoldenCompany-j2k]

Fantastic.

[@KestreltheWeirseer]

1:19:08 Tim with the Farquad reference 😂

[@GoldenCompany-j2k]

Thank you.

[@secicu]

The Roynar.. I wanna see 300 dragons fail to bring them to their knees, make people watching finally grasp that dragons are not and never were winbuttons Water magic and Nymeria would also be a neat bonus😆 to behold! Not sure if movie, or show better for that though

[@lizardbreathh]

Just a shout out to that intro song again 🎶 🌿🪼

[@XVOIDDRAGONX]

How come I've never seen talk about how the First Men would have contemporaries of the Great Empire of the Dawn, and how similar Garth Greenhand sounds to the Gemstone Emporers?

[@DavidLightbringer]

I have an origins of Old Town video coming in the next month or two which will address some of that. it's a fascinating topic

[@scitchmunkey5587]

Praising Garth and learning about the wildlings

[@GoldenCompany-j2k]

Perfect.

[@antjestube8774]

1:19:12 Cudos to Tim, a fellow Shrek enthusiast!

[@GoldenCompany-j2k]

Hooray.

[@plasmiusphantom]

Michael Talks thinks the giants that helped build The Wall are Weirwoods. And hethinks the wards of the wall burnt the eagle

[@GoldenCompany-j2k]

Hell yeah.

[@AlohaMaesterHand]

Love how GRRM uses music in his writing 🎶 I Am the Last of the Giants is some straight-up Charley Patton deep delta blues, maybe filtered through Memohis, it could easily be from Johnny Cash's last album 💔

[@maruty2108]

The trees do communicate, in hotd they whispered traitor to broom 🤓

[@francisterpening4463]

Love the head gear, boys.

[@landog606]

Are we gonna be able to get the redacted Tyrion chapters about Faegon's lesson as a stream?

[@JennyOfOldeStonze]

h dis is cool more stuff to recover to!! Because I only remember half of what I did over The Weeknd. I swear I know I got on the chat on Sunday but I think maybe I fell asleep in the middle of it. I had surgery last Wednesday and I swear that stuff and the medication I'm just like out of it for a week after

[@jorahtheexplorer3262]

The giants spoke the most impenetrable of tongues …. Welsh.

[@vanessabogaert2104]

Sapphires makes sense for a house located in the Vale.

[@LordAbraxas]

I cant effin wait for the skagosistream

[@lucaschapel7197]

I'm still convinced that Craster is secretly baby Maegor Targaryen (son of Aerion Brightflame)!

[@JennyOfOldeStonze]

The unicorn's head was probably ivory. The phallus was prolly for luck ancient peoples used to carry them for it. "The North remembers" when it's convenient.

[@rdizzzy7340]

The legendary middle guy

[@murp0443]

Bran the builder may have skin changed hundreds of giants at once to help build the wall forcibly

[@mahaSAMatman7043]

@david Lightbringer it’s 3 wolves, a shadow cat, a bear, & his own makes 6

[@JennyOfOldeStonze]

Yeah I think they ate doing Robert's Rebellion BTW. with the modern people like flashing back to them, possibly after the book is released.

[@kevinvertatschitsch3650]

2:36:36 If the “Gon” in Aegon refers to a Latin word for seed/starting of a line…any ideas of a Latin word meaning the end of a line? I’ve always been a big believer in Jon’s true/Targaryen name being Jaehaerys (Jaehaerys the Reconciliator!) but if “Gon” or “Gone” means beginning, I feel like there might be a “Mon” or “Mone” type of Latin word that could mean End, in which case I might finally accept that Jon’s true name might be Aemon after all! Great stream as always guys, loving all the new content!!

[@b0baf00t8]

I was wondering if the movie was going to be that scraped Jon Snow show that Kit Harington was advocating for. Probably not likely, but it could be in the running.

[@jean-francoislebroch9171]

Mance rayder = loki who was snatched by Odin from the giant

[@GoldenCompany-j2k]

Cool.

[@GoldenCompany-j2k]

Didn't see this coming.

[@RichieFrontera]

Hmm, so the Riverlands are the Marshes of the North, but autonomous?

[@Liizardqueen90]

For the algorithm 🎉

[@blackdragon5274]

The wildlings largely honestly seem more civilized/moral than the average ironborn or Bolton.

[@blackdragon5274]

There's also a theory that Orel's eagle burst into flames because it was a magical entity trying to cross over, I believe Michael talks came up with it.

[@JennyOfOldeStonze]

Also Alice was happy to marry to marry him. He was nice to her and her uncle was horrible. I mean yeah it wasnt much of a choice. But still he treated her with honor.

[@NeverUseAnApostrophe]

Melisandre takes credit for killing the eagle, but she's never done anything close to that in the story, she does NOT have the ability to spontaneously combust others. The eagle was killed because it had a psychic connection to another and that connection is violently severed at the Wall. We see this happen with Coldhands at the wall and at Bloodraven's cave, anyone who is warging cannot cross the magical threshold. It is the same reason why the queen's dragon would NOT cross the Wall no matter how she tried to coax it.

[@DavidLightbringer]

no I don't think that explains the eagle bursting into flame. kicking the warg out, perhaps. but the fact it burst into flame means Melisandre almost certainly did that. I have no idea why you would think that she can't do it, there's no evidence that she can't. she absolutely can wield fire magic

[@katzenjammer.]

⁠​⁠@@DavidLightbringerno evidence that she can. She never thinks about any pyrokinetic(?) power. Michaeltalksaboutstuff’s theory is similar to what the guy above said plus the idea that its not just simple warging. The eagle has three heads(the creature, Orell, and Varamyr). Same reason why dragon wouldnt cross the wall. The rider, the dragon, and the valyrian/great empire spirit in the dragon.

[@BloodravenRivers]

is that your jan6th hat? im jkjk jk dont answer that bro i know u would never do stuff like that.

[@DavidLightbringer]

😅

[@murp0443]

Regarding Torumund and his horn and Thor stuff. I don’t think you two, Dave and Tim, have chatted deeply enough with Eldric Stoneskin. The Horn that wakes the sleepers is possibly the Horn of Winter. It may work like Children’s Hammer of the Waters (think, Hammer of the Storm God) which is A ⚡️ LIGHTNING BOLT! what does it do, it calls a Lightning bolt down to a Weir Wood tree and wakes the sleeping Stone Stark Giants in the first floor of the Crypts, where Azor Ahai aka the Last Hero (or a relative of his) waits to be called upon to help when the new Long Night comes (“and all the [Long] Nights to come”)… he’ll “rise again, harder [stone from the grey scale they helped give him since they have stone magic] and stronger!” The reason he and his band don’t go mad from greyscale is because their souls were stored in the weir wood tree (or maybe their Dire Wolves, if that’s more satisfying to you since i know you like the “ghost is a soul jar” idea, as do I) while their bodies are prepared. Why stone bodies? It just replaces your Fire Wight theory where it’s perfect for ranging beyond the wall and also fighting the others. waymar Royce’s house is know for having magic armor on their skin which is magiced by runes on their skin. The others in the prologue may not have been testing him to be their leader. They were concerned he was Azor Ahai or one his band rising again with a magic sword but also that magic stone armor. It’s very satisfying and you guys should embrace it and mold it into your theories.

[@michaeltavizon8333]

🎉🎉🎉

[@MC-el2us]

We not going to talk about that armour??

[@GoldenCompany-j2k]

Hip hip hoooooray.

[@Leif_of_Kasper]

:D

[@MC-el2us]

Hell yeah Refused

[@JacobSur]

Refused shirt goesssssss

[@plasmiusphantom]

Can of Peas = Cannopy

[@Silentheaven89]

why does it feel like youre trolling tim by interrupting him after apologizing to chat for interrupting him 😂 great stream tho not many video focusing on the free folk/wildlings.

[@Slechy_Lesh]

13:04

[@Slechy_Lesh]

2:33:00

[@Barendol]

It's more likely that Bael's son became Lord commander and attacked him north of the Wall. And so there's nothing from Bael in Stark lineage.

[@jean-francoislebroch9171]

Bael = baal

[@812_Dthang]

That movie is gonna be SNOW. THE JON SNOW SPINOFF TO MILK THE FRANCHISE...SMH

[@Void7.4.14]

I love ya to death, but ya kinda misrepresented anarchism and communism here, few, if any, of the free folk really match either even if they embody the spirit at times. Anarchism is inherently anti-capitalist so there is no such thing as "anarcho-comminism". The right stole terms like "libertarian" and "anarchy" from the far-left and some of their thought leaders even acknowledge as much. In most of the world "libertarian" still means "anarchist" and anarchism is anti-aurhoritarian socialism/communism. Anarchism also, at it's core, is an analysis of power and a rejection of unequal power structures in society/rejection of hierarchies of power. Not delusions about our different capabilities, our physical differences, our unique knowledge and skill sets, etc, but a rejection of institutions, power structures, and cultural norms that that instill hierarchies, dominate individuals and groups, and create classes in society. Anarchism is NOT a rejection of order and structure, however, in fact, an old saying and backstory to the circle A symbol used by anarchists for generations is "Anarchy Is The Mother Of Order" (A). The issue isn't order or structure, its how its executed. We reject order imposed on people and structures meant to dominate us, not order we create for ourselves and structures that enable us to live our best. We live in chaos now, we reject that chaos and the argument that chaos is always a bad thing. They ain't mutually exclusive. Communism, by definition, is a self-organized, classless, stateless, and moneyless society. Communists and anarchists have the same goals in the vast majority of cases, the separation lies in means and some theoretical differences. What you're referring to is Leninism/Maoism, which is a significant right and authoritarian deviation away from Marxism and other socialist currents (including anarchism) in both means and theory. But they in no way enforce "from each, to each" political economy by any stretch, thats supposed to be self-organized, not enforced from the top-down cause it would require the state as an arbiter and where there's a state there is no communism. Now, I'm no expert. I've just been an active anarchist for the better part of a quarter century that's dedicated an obscene amount of time to reading about these things 😂 I will say though, even if he never calls himself such it seems like GRRM definitely has some anarchistic analysis in ASOIAF. Many hippies were or were informed to some degree by anarchism, see Yippies for one of the most influential groups of the era, as well as Black Mask/Up Against The Wall MF.

[@DavidLightbringer]

brother, you've taken this wayyyyyy to far and too seriously. You're trying to have an entirely different conversation that what were were here. Obviously wildling culture is not going to be pure representation of a modern definition of one of the -isms - the conversation was simply comparing their society to elements of various political philosophies. like, for funsies

[@AlanRodriguez-nu8og]

Not an original take, but the languages in this world are messed up, a continent the size of westeros, with lots of cultures with thousands of years of history, should have more than two languages

[@GampHead]

....... em tim thinks we are supousewd to buy him a decent micro or somethin? i just cant listen to this, horrible quality, and his voice doesnt make things better. for me its impossible to enjoy that, sorry but 3hours waste of tim(e)

[@theblackfox8920]

THE WALL BLOCKED THE EAGLE, JUST LIKE THE DRAGONS. ITS A MAGICAL BARRIER

[@DavidLightbringer]

why would the wall **burn** the eagle lol doesn't make any sense to me

[@theblackfox8920]

@DavidLightbringer The dragons refuse to fly over it, because of the magical barrier. Neither could the eagle, a magical wall is a pretty useless defense if you can just fly over it. I can't remember where I've heard this talked about before. I honestly thought it was you