James Lindsay | Woke Culture HAS NOT Gone Too Far - 6/8 | Oxford Union

[@iissamiam]

Watching someone masterfully present a position they know is wrong, in a style that implies complete sincerity, is terrifying. If he had not explicitly laid out his personal beliefs as anti woke, this would have been the greatest, most articulate defense of woke culture I’ve ever seen. This is the essence of true debate, present your opponent’s argument more thoroughly and clearly then even they can, then defeat that position. Give your opponent all the genuine help you can, and use no tricks against them. If you’re in the right, a clear articulation of your opponent’s position is all you need to defeat them. Thank god the people who debate this well all see the deep flaws in woke ideology.

[@cachinnation448]

Steel man their argument then destroy it. Is this the Socratic/Thomistic method of argumentation? Either way, I love it.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

It's a parody of their views, he's trolling them.

[@noobandfriends2420]

Glad he appears to be on the good side.

[@weefy117]

@@sonofsomerset1695 it's not a parody. It's literally their views. It only comes off as a parody because we know he doesn't believe what he is saying. If no one knew who he was, this would literally be shared by academics across the west as gospel spoken by a prophet.

[@ChickVicious237]

It's really the only way to become a true master of your own position. If you don't understand your opponent, how can you know that your own understanding is accurate?

[@en9a9eperelandra80]

This was an absolute master class in trolling the trolls... as well as people who don't realize they have become trolls. Also a dire warning.

[@konohagakurejonin4461]

Fookin brilliant, isn't it? Haha!

[@stegwise]

i think it would have been a bit more clear if he championed white genocide and universal patricide.

[@ericcecil989]

You mean Foucault brilliant

[@chrisrice5926]

he just got 800 books ban

[@colinkillian9265]

@@chrisrice5926 No, he was able to get school boards ro implement the will of the local population who send their kids to said public schools. Perhaps we shouldn't be teaching children about anal sex, gender queerness, and social injustice. Let's instead teach them how to read properly, do mathematics as a proper grade level, and history and civics..

[@sarahsteiner8354]

Another brilliant move by James. He simultaneously makes an excellent point about how woke culture can’t go far enough (based on its own definition) while also subverting his side of the debate by performing how ridiculous wokeness can be. He was a de facto debater for the ‘pro’ side of the argument but was officially on the ‘con’ side. This would normally seem unfair but he was merely implementing the same tactics used by the wokies to subvert institutions that they wish to dismantle. Bravo James, Bravo

[@CourtneyHaynes]

He literally argued for the other side. And simply pulled from vastly different authors to find contradiction amongst them which is true with any ideology. You cannot take from a Marxist and then use Ibram X Kendi (a modern day anti-racist activist) and then be like "Oh wow, these ideas contradict one another" and claim this is a strong argument. He arbitrarily decided on a definition of woke when it's origins date back to black culture (not marxists) and doesn't start to be used in a political framework until the 1970s only to become widely used in the 2000s. At the end of the day, his argument is an implied appeal to ridicule that lacks the courage to actually make a claim. And at the end of the day, he debunks his own point by admitting that wokeness cannot go to far. Because as stated by someone else, wokeness is merely kindness, empathy, understanding one other. And how does that ever go to far? I guess we'll never know because James never makes that argument.

[@Maelstromme]

@@CourtneyHaynes Kindness and empathy can go too far if it ends up sacrificing your own safety and survival. Such as tolerating your enemies. The same arguments used on behalf of wokeness are also used to justify not standing up to autocrats in China and elsewhere. The victory of these regimes in the battle for global hegemony would reverse all gains made in the past century. Additionally, black activist culture borrowed from and often collaborated with marxists of the day, often sympathetic to those particular regimes during the Cold War. The Black Panthers for instance had a very warm relationship with Mao Zedong.

[@CourtneyHaynes]

@@Maelstromme "The Woke/CRT group says personal experience trumps any rational thought --" But that's not what he argued. He only implied an argument that Wokism is contradictory by pulling from different authors who he thinks stand for wokism and who disagree with one another. Whether Black people borrowed from Marxist is irrelevant. They borrowed from many sources. The fact is wokism did not originate from the places he claimed. It's like claiming constitutionalism is actual something else because the founders pulled ideas from other books they read.

[@daskritterhaus5491]

tq for that explanation and clarification. lm new to this yt group. tq, spot on.

[@ZemanTheMighty]

@@CourtneyHaynes thank you for clearing that up commissar Haynes. Wokeness is simply kindness and understanding like you say. Any evidence of the contrary that we may have experienced is a right wing mass delusion.

The only thing missing to make this THE perfect representation of woke culture is that he should have yelled "SHUT UP, RACIST!" to at least one of the people who tried to interrupt him.

[@ytsm]

Hahahaha

[@bushwacka5187]

With one accusation of transphobia too, just to flex his Woke cred.

[@val-schaeffer1117]

Most Muslims in Continental Europe are WHITE

[@random_person6041]

Or honk!

[@channel89134]

@@bushwacka5187 +homophobia+nazism+other words

[@frederickarchibaldchumly-w2163]

Nobody knows this ideology better than James. He's an absolute hero.

[@eleccy]

It's a dark joke how easy it is to ape the woke debate style and how superficially convincing it can be in the hands of a good orator, as James has shown so easily here.

[@lloydgush]

What he so brilliantly demonstrated is that woke culture is the objective of going as far enough as possible so as to extinguish any standard, preferences and values from the masses, perpetually.

[@NextLineIsMine]

Thought this was sincere originally and was utterly horrified at his Ibram Kendi suggestions for the woke-police.

[@elizabethspence4033]

@@NextLineIsMine they are very close to achieving this goal. People ask where has BLM gone? They have taken over every industry public and private and the new president of the US have started giving them dominant positions in the government.

[@squirrelandowl7482]

He wasn't aping the woke style at all. Only the position that woke hasn't gone far enough. The analysis and style were of Lindsay.

[@Geordiicus]

@@NextLineIsMine lol me too🤯

[@scorpiostafford]

OMG, I'm 63, you've given me hope, and all the men and women didn't die for nothing in 1918 and 1941 onwards

[@ericfeldkamp3788]

The irony of James' every word is going to be lost on the leftists watching this.

[@vibrolax]

James is an apostate leftist. He was excommunicated after refusing to abandon reason.

[@sillygoose4472]

Not really, in the introduction episode the girl says he voted for Trump because how much he hates Wokeism. Even in his speech he says he's famous for being anti-woke. Watch the video before commenting FFS

[@joshuataylor3550]

He only speaks to absurdity of existence, his own position is equally absurd.

[@L0rd0fTh3N3rdz]

Commenting to keep on eye on the cope in the replies

[@dinobotpwnz]

It will be lost on the shitlibs.

[@captainphoenix]

This was an incredibly ballsy, extraordinarily high-risk move, and James succeeded with aplomb. Didn't see it coming at all, and totally blown away. Absolutely brilliant. Bravo, James.

[@afuzzycreature8387]

and it wouldn't have happened if one more leftist would have stepped into the breech. They couldn't find quorum so they had to find an opponent to take his opposite position

[@Sokofeather]

It's like watching a true wizard. Which of course is apropo

[@falkenlaser]

Considering James got 4 gender studies papers actually published by journals within just 1 year, he would be considered one of the greatest gender studies scholars in history if he was a real gender studies scholar.

[@MBNHedger]

rephrase that... He is one of the greatest gender studies scholars in history to the point he discovered gender studies was not real...

[@Iknowurconfused]

@@MBNHedger Exactly he Degendered them hahahahaha

[@disf5178]

@@Iknowurconfused disingendered

[@GordieGii]

@@MBNHedger He always knew it was not real. But knowing was not enough: He had to taste the the KoolAid to know it tasted bad. He had to drink the KoolAid to know it did not satisfy. He had to guzzle the the KoolAid to know it left one empty. Finally, he had to relieve himself so everyone else could know that it was not KoolAid, but piss all along, and those who demanded that all be forced to drink it had no taste, nor any sense.

[@johnvannewhouse]

"real gender studies scholar".......LMAO....

[@mankyscotsgit]

James Lindsay destroys woke from the inside

[@Jianju69]

You can see their minds being blown by his explosion of irony, simile, truth.

[@joshuataylor3550]

He only speaks to absurdity of existence, his own position is equally absurd.

[@EBDeveloper]

@@joshuataylor3550 Are you incapable of enjoying satirical measures ?

[@thomasreaves588]

@@EBDeveloper James Lindsay is a pathological liar.

[@fuckamericanidiot]

@@EBDeveloper Commies hate most things because the whole civ is built on things they hate. So why would it understand or want to enjoy anything ever.

[@TessaTickle]

Absolute genius. Well played, Dr Lindsay.

[@l000tube]

sounds like a guy who's getting a bit too high on his own supply to me.

[@TessaTickle]

@@l000tube lol, that content-free smear

[@Wingedmagician]

@@l000tube he killed it and you call him a narcissist

[@hughmac13]

@@TessaTickle Accurate nonetheless.

[@hughmac13]

@@Wingedmagician The only thing he murdered was the English language.

[@shmuelrosenthal6661]

Better than anything Saturday Night Live has put out in a decade.

[@s.c.degrand2064]

I couldn't agree more. Was laughing hysterically. I've been waiting and looking forward to this for months and it did not disappoint.

[@heavi-armed-infadel]

As a conservative living in America I can say Mr Lindsay is spot on! Post-Modernism has compromised our institutions of higher education. "Next time an academic preaches to you about inclusivity ask them how many conservatives are in their sociology department" ~Thomas Sowell

[@steffenjensen422]

We are diverse in every aspect except the one where diversity actually matters: Diversity of ideas.

[@tagus100]

This is brilliant because it's not a caricature. Lindsay used the exact talking points, even down to the exact buzzwords and phraseology of the woke Leftists.

[@hon.mr.ronburgundyiiiesq.2096]

Nice to see the dots being connected between woke and communism. It's the same dot.

[@Wingedmagician]

A line so short it looks like a dash

[@DieFlabbergast]

Dat be a biiiig dot!

[@fizeekpoaster]

Wait until you see the dots connected between liberalism and communism (also the same dot)

[@mattyjay8896]

That's exactly what it is. Wokeness is a communist holding a shield.

[@Wingedmagician]

@@fizeekpoaster enlightenment and classical liberalism is not the same as just “liberalism” though

[@aidan5083]

Everyone before him goes up with pages of notes. Legend has it all in his brain, and calls it forth with great accuracy and effect.

[@aidan5083]

As freire, who lindsay likes to quote says, James speaks the word to proclaim the world.

[@martinliehs2513]

If you listen to his New Discourses podcast, you will have seen that Lindsay can monolog on this topic nonstop for hours on end. Hard to believe that he is a math PHD as well as a well read expert in sociology.

[@s.c.degrand2064]

Kendi, page 19, epic

[@stupidanon5941]

@@martinliehs2513 Math is pretty much the benchmark. If you can do high-level math, high-level language isn't far behind because math is language.

[@martinliehs2513]

@@stupidanon5941 Agree, however math is much more precise and universal. Once one has mastered the basic arithmetic operations (addition, subtraction, division and multiplication) as well as the fundamental of the base 10 "alphabet" (the digits from 0 to 9), a person solving an arithmetic problem in Omaha will get the same answer as a person solving the same problem in Paris, or Singapore, or Buenos Aires. That is why it is so important that we fight the woke idiots that keep trying to tell us that 2 + 2 = 5.

[@MrHorsesongs05]

Lindsay understands their ideology better than they do and his French philosopher impression is hilarious.

[@CourtneyHaynes]

Uh, no. Lindsay strawmans the ideology and then takes down that strawman. Experts in marxism consider his theories connecting wokism to marxism laughable. He doesn't know what he's talking about. And I'll gladly debate how horribly illogical his speech was, but something tells me you don't want that

[@MrHorsesongs05]

@@CourtneyHaynes Well, if the experts in marxism say so.

[@CourtneyHaynes]

@@MrHorsesongs05 yes, and they will give their analysis for why he doesn't know what the heck he's talking about. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2jHn42Bq7Wqoc0

[@CourtneyHaynes]

@@MrHorsesongs05 I don't know if the previous person is an expert on the matter but Ben Bergis here has expertise in that matter and has studies it professionally. The man doesn't know what he's talking about. And conflates different issues as I can show with another video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3y0qYSniJWhebc

[@Jianju69]

@@CourtneyHaynes No, no, hon, we want it. Dazzle us.

[@hermitthefrog8951]

I would estimate that less than 50% of the audience really understood this level of genius. And James cleans up nice, too.

[@tallard666]

I wanna see him without the weird chin fur!

[@ericaeli3807]

Yasmin Benoit sure thinks so

[@djmix5000]

You're very generous. I wouldn't estimate that percentage higher than fingers on a hand.

[@sheveka]

Unfortunately, I am not one of the people who got it - I had to read the comments as I was confused about his true stance because he was being oxymoronic and contradictory.

[@ericaeli3807]

@@sheveka Yes he is an expert on the academic literature. He was explicit about who he is within 3 minutes of opening his talk.

[@Tang0Fox1]

Dr. Lindsay is so brilliant that he argues against the proposition while destroying wokism while being in their side in the debate.

[@brandonboi9465]

His argument against ratifying "anti-racism" in the U.S Constitution in his podcast is brilliant. How can you make all the races equal when you can't even make the races equal amongst each other? Black Americans are 12% of the population but if they were their own country they would be in number 6 of the top 10 economies of the world (1.6 trillion in spending power) right behind Germany. Germany!? The economic powerhouse of europe. But roughly 70%+ of that is in the hands of just 1% of them.

[@matham625]

this is not correct.. its wrong and unfair and it makes a mockery of the Union (which is probably a joke anyway) you have 3 people speaking against the proposal all of them very poor orators, the 1st just tries and use a subjective feeling of intelligence to make their point and fails. The 2nd is drunk and just tries to co-op some names and situations into their argument. The third is speaking against the position while cracking ironic jokes.. not right, not fair, not good.. maybe they could not get anybody to speak for “more woke culture” in which case the debate is a “straw man” sorry “straw person argument” .. the three anti wokers were articulate, intelligent informed & able. If anything this debate will just cause further polarisation (something it claims it wishes to avoid) as for WOKE i think I have woke up to the fact that "Woke culture" is just a mind game for the elite and the more we ignore it the better.. if they cant make films, TV shows or supply state education without making up complete bulls1y t then they is jusyt gonna loose the prols.. then that is their problem.. we can always entertain and educte ourselves.... and then awaken....

[@cioccolateriaveneziana]

Which makes the debate unfair, of course, because it should be 4 speakers for, 4 speakers against.

[@robsmith6377]

@@matham625 yooooo this guy is spitting facts

[@captainbube1217]

@@matham625 i mean I disagree that this was pouring gasoline in the first but I agree with your conclusion 100%

[@OomBok]

This gets better every time I watch it. James has risked his own sanity to dive deep and come out the other end understanding the woke better than most understand it themselves

[@milo8425]

And it truly is risking one's sanity to read that literature. I can vouch for that. I've no idea how he does it day in and day out.

[@CoryTheRaven]

I've seen his Twitter. I don't think Lindsay got out unscathed. Stare into the abyss long enough...

[@maintaint3003]

He was radicalized by Feminist Glaciology. Made him physically sick for days, he told the story in recent New Discourses podcast.

[@richardott3706]

@@maintaint3003 Glaciers are misogynist now too? We have truly come a long way in the fight for social justice.

[@maintaint3003]

@@richardott3706 Feminist Glaciology had almost nothing to do with glaciers.

[@TheyCalledMeT]

2 groups of people watch this both agree completely with this video one side sees it as an ingenious sarcastic performance the other side takes it literal

[@fuckamericanidiot]

a "self-own" by wokeist morons

[@philiphudgens4726]

Adverbist!

[@vagueann5506]

*Literally

[@psylentps6577]

Artistic genius. Like Alex Jones as an indie song, or Donald trump singing once in a lifetime .

[@TheyCalledMeT]

@@psylentps6577 he's a mathematician .. not an actor ..

[@samflintham1360]

The madman actually did it. He entered the Matrix and is using it against them 😂

[@ericaeli3807]

He seemed to win over Yasmin Benoit the young lady arguing for the Woke side.

[@Iknowurconfused]

He is the One! Thanks Neo! Hahahahahaha

[@ivanelrino]

As someone who is actually in the intelligentsia Matrix, trust me when I say that he is not. He just like yesterday discovered Jurgen Habermas.

[@ericaeli3807]

@@ivanelrino sorry, never heard of you

[@ivanelrino]

@@ericaeli3807 Have you heard of Michel Foucault? James heard of him for the first time about a year ago, and he pronounced it "Faugh-call-T." It was hilarious. Look it up. James is a complete charlatan.

[@kevls5536]

"No. ... In fact, to interrupt someone speaking on behalf of social justice is again to reinscribe violence and do epistemic injustice to people who are fighting to end oppression." holy ef, nailed it! notice he didn't end with "to people who are oppressed" but "to people who are fighting to end oppression." Master class in satire.

[@chrisbutlerart]

Yasmin Benoit's reactions are solid gold. If you haven't yet, after this video go and listen to her speech. It puts all her facial expressions in this video into beautiful context. Specifically...she has absolutely no idea what he's even saying. She obviously can't follow him. I call this out because its the perfect context for the entire argument about 'woke culture'. Here, Lindsay is well-informed, concise, clever, convincing, and has deep knowledge and nuance in his argument. Benoit's argument was a shambling, stumbling, semi-drunk self-congratulatory babble that boiled down to "Stop criticizing 'woke' because...racism or something. Woke is good." She's spent this entire video watching Lindsay while rolling her eyes and making histrionic, dismissive facial expressions, occasionally slipping into a literally open-mouthed, uncomprehending glare. Woke culture is an instagram influencer rolling her eyes at a nuanced, informed argument.

[@SiBaroni]

"Woke culture is an instagram influencer rolling her eyes at a nuanced, informed argument." that is the image that truly defines our times.

[@ericaeli3807]

I thought she looked like she was really impressed by his argument, probably because she didn’t understand what was going on. She was primping her hair and laughed in a way that seemed coy and flirtatious, not malicious or conceited. An asexual activist. Gimme a break. For the occasion, she was dressed very provocatively. Guess what you do as an asexual activist? Talk about sex, all the time.

[@broccolihikicks]

@@ericaeli3807 I thought that too. She giggled dismissively at the silly man at first, but by the end she looked almost as if there was a dawning cognitive dissonance...

[@SisyphusDungball]

"Saint Foucault" threw that in there without skipping a beat! Edit: 8:31

[@Wingedmagician]

Nah he’s more like a Priest

[@s.c.degrand2064]

Caught that too, I was dying! 😂

[@SisyphusDungball]

@@s.c.degrand2064 Same!

[@Doutsoldome]

"Saint Foucault" is the title of a book by David Halperin, which James was citing. I'm inclined to think that he threw that in there more for the effect from the book's title than for the quote itself, though, hehe.

[@daverohrich8518]

Someone save this immediately. There's no way they leave it up

[@Rabbithole8]

This comment isn't going to age well.

[@BenjaminABoyce]

​@@Rabbithole8 only insofar as woke culture doesn't go too far.

[@hughmac13]

How much would you like to bet? Let's go big.

[@Rabbithole8]

@@hughmac13 The implication is that this will be taken down because of the woke who object to it. It could be taken down because of other reasons. Those reasons can be far less likely, but they must be excluded if the video is taken down. Also, sure, I'm going to make a bet with some random person on the internet.

[@Rabbithole8]

@@BenjaminABoyce Ha ha, right.

[@KMBExpert]

Kids were ready to interrupt him at every second and he kept batting them back. "No!"

[@lloydgush]

It's magic how it works. In my experience you can really drive existential dread by holding a mirror firmly into their faces.

[@deaconblooze1]

They were struck dumb because they had never heard that word before.

[@empiar5481]

All of the other debaters on James's side were unable to present arguments even with notes, and they were utterly unconvincing. James presents an argument without a single note and is absolutely *terrifying*. This is great.

[@UsDiYoNa]

If you know James Lindsey, then you know that performance deserves an Oscar. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@dannyarcher6370]

I was wondering WTF he was doing on that side but then I remembered that he co-authored _Human reactions to rape culture and queer performativity at urban dog parks in Portland, Oregon_ and the world made sense again. 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@TIm_Bugge]

@Chase Williams norskk.is/bytta/menn/dog_park.pdf

[@joeyoung9185]

@@chasewilliams5128 he was trying to show how easy it was to get woke ridiculousness published in legitimate scientific journals. It was totally satirical

[@allyourbase888]

😂😂😂

[@lunchbucket2494]

Damn that's why I think I've seen his face somewhere, now I remember. He was definitely on that side to infiltrate and troll the left. What a chad.

[@precisionmarksmanshiphq773]

Awesome, and very true...I wish more would lose the cowardice and stand against the woke, PC BS..

[@patduffyforever]

They are, check out: kellie jay keen standing for women. Laurence fox' s reclaim the media, the worldwide Let Women Speak movement. Sheila jeffries work penile imperialism, the male sex right .

[@ShidaPenns]

Most don't have the time to devote to understanding it in its entirety, as he has done.

[@garethreynolds9061]

​@@ShidaPenns Yes they depend on it being extremely complex in its nature to confuse people and prevent then from opposing it. You need to know hermenetics, gnosticism, hegel, rousseau, marx, the work of the frankfurt school (marcuse, horkheimer, habermas), and then all of the proceeding critical theorists that popped out of it (queer theory, critical race theory) to really understand whats going on. I will say though, its quite extraordinary how hes managed to bring together all of this to explain whats happening. He paints the most complete picture of the ideology that ive witnesse.

[@Victor_Lugo]

James is simply fantastic! Thanks for the clarity and attitude!

[@mawnkey]

When you understand your opponent's position well enough to argue it better than they ever could, the technical term for your opponent's situation is "royally fucked".

[@NitroModelsAndComics]

That is well said.

[@sirotahaggen]

What a grand speech and most clever squeezing in Habermas's "performative contradiction" while going on to implicitly dismantle the tenets of woke culture by satirizing its defense with its own definition and talking points. I don't know of anyone who comes close to James Lindsay that has done so much work and research in pinning wokeness down.

[@vincentweber1359]

This is a work of art and should find a neat place in the Louvre.

[@heddshot87]

I first read it woke of art

[@davidlythgoe4079]

Amazing to see James demonstrate their tactics 👏

[@brunobarnabe5999]

Unbelievable performance!!

[@Jianju69]

It really was. I don't recall ever seeing anything like it.

[@5dollarshake263]

James Lindsay is one of the most important people we need to defeat the impending attempt at a woke/marxist/CRT/communist revolution.

[@davidli7829]

Thank the lord he's not actually woke. His speech is impeccable but woke arguments are mostly based on emotion instead of logic. Here he is like a super soldier but his gun loaded with blanks, even so his speaking skills show and flex his prowess in debate.

[@pillsareyummy]

@@davidli7829 I read about a longitudinal study showing a rise in emotive reasoning (vs logical reasoning) beginning in the early 00s, hitting its peak a few years ago (when the study concluded), WOKE culture is the embodiment of that data.

[@BenjaminABoyce]

Beautifully done!

[@Knuck_Knucks]

Indeed. Jolly good show.

[@allyourbase888]

Will we see Dr. Manspreader in a Calmversation soon? 🙏🏾

[@markkavanagh7377]

NO......

[@BenjaminABoyce]

@@allyourbase888 We just finished a stream...!

[@allyourbase888]

@@BenjaminABoyce Thank you. I watched it livestream. 😸

[@adamkeeney398]

The woke/anti-woke dialectic is unfolding, comrade!

[@hughmac13]

It's tedious.

[@fuckamericanidiot]

@@hughmac13 It's not a Tik Tok and it's not broken up by Cenk's Nephew into baby food chunks for you yet.

[@simpinainteasy680]

The last political response to the Woke dialectic was known as Fascism.

[@hughmac13]

@@fuckamericanidiot No. It's just tedious.

[@chirpyburpy]

@@simpinainteasy680 OK groomer

[@ezekielbrockmann114]

This, the day when James Lindsay liberated the Oxford Union. lol

[@snackentity5709]

James' face when he's serious and when he's intensely sarcastic are the same.

[@virginiacharlotte7007]

This made me think of that Gary Larson comic- Recognising the emotional states of a Red Setter!

[@RetroActiveGM]

This might be one of the greatest exercises in trolling I have ever seen, holy shit.

[@konberner170]

Great! Watching this, I feel as if I am in a Dali painting. Surrealism never felt so wonderfully weird. Terrific job, James, and well done Oxford!

[@Nick-bh5bk]

Woke requires the straight white male to bow down and apologize for their existence in perpetuity. In other words, it requires servitude to the woke idea, or put differently enslaved to the woke culture.

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

It's the "spirit of collective tribalism". They can't compete on the race superiority front so they do it on the victim front. Same shit.

[@lonzo61]

Lindsay is surrounded by British snowflakes, and he doesn't miss a beat. Way to go. But I'm not convinced his message will win or even be understood by these youngsters. They are so amazed by themselves, there is no room for anything else.

[@chesterdonnelly1212]

Lol, amazed by themselves. That's brilliant.

[@mostevil1082]

Cute, but he's not, even most of the opposition aren't in favour, debating is an intellectual excercise, speaking for something you don't beleive is often part of that. Pay attention to the reaction on his own bench. And perhaps glance to the nearest mirror.

[@lonzo61]

@@mostevil1082 I realize that Lindsay is steel manning the "against the motion" position. He does a pretty fair job at it and simultaneously and knowingly is being overtly sarcastic and ironic. And to your point, those two youngsters sharing his bench, indeed, are rolling their eyes at him. But they are doing so, for the very reason I mentioned in my first comment: they don't get it. Sure, they know he's actually for the motion, but they won't understand his points just as they won't understand or try to even understand the points made by others who argue for the motion! It's one of the ways--maybe the primary way--that WOKE remains so stubbornly unshaken as an ideology. But, that may slowly be changing. For the sake of democracy, I sure hope so.

[@charlesdavis3802]

Brilliant. And praise to whoever had the insight to select you for this role.

[@richardlefaive1944]

He selected himself when they mistakenly invited him to argue the woke side and he accepted w/o missing beat.

[@ericaeli3807]

@@richardlefaive1944 “mistake.” There is a master behind this. They are trying to hide.

[@d0vakhin522]

@@richardlefaive1944 true

[@Pastaface]

For the progressive, by definition, nothing is ever enough. Brilliant.

[@rgghjs9270]

Yes, striving for improvement. Not a bad thing. For some of Lindsay's fans, we should have stopped progressing a long time ago

[@s.c.degrand2064]

Don't we all look great? (Round of applause) You're applauding colonizer formal wear. Just walks the entire room into a dunking on. 😂 He is having so much fun with this. Right from the rip, so good. This was well worth the wait.

[@MaskHysteria]

James Lindsay, as performative as woke culture, therefore he can never go to far and likely hasn't gone far enough.

[@OnionKnight541]

on my second watch-thru already haha. that impromptu "to interrupt someone speaking on behalf of social justice is, again, to re-ascribe violence and do epistemic injustice to people who are fighting to end oppression," caught me off guard and made me listen more intently to what was being done.

[@nTrylo]

"The call is coming from inside the house."

[@s.c.degrand2064]

😂😂😂

[@jostencline6443]

This is one of the best James Lindsey videos I've seen since the grievance studies affair. short and PACKED with most of the key points that need to be exposed about "woke" ideology. well done James!

[@stanhawkes3569]

Dude’s playing 4D chess with people playing tic-tac-toe. I wish we had 100 of him.

[@metroidman3893]

This was some of the best 10 mins of my life. The Oroboros in perfect spoken form.

[@sillygoose4472]

🤔

[@sillygoose4472]

I think you recently found out about the ouroboros and have not the slightest clue what it represents

[@JaredCzaia]

@@sillygoose4472 I don't think ouroborous is misapplied here. Revolutionary progressivism consumes itself. The French revolution was a good example of how it can play out.

[@donjohnson5424]

James Lindsay is the man.

[@joshuataylor3550]

he's a man.

[@alementary4065]

@@joshuataylor3550 Which is probably more than anyone has ever said of you LOL!

[@sixer6er]

He really isn’t

[@Anon1gh3]

@@sixer6er So what is he? 😲

[@jennapecor1865]

James is one of the smartest people of our time.

[@Anon1gh3]

@Google Sucks Ass Give me your best example of one of the smartest people of the modern day.

[@cak400]

It’s fantastic they couldn’t find speakers to oppose the proposition so had to ask someone anti woke. This gives me hope.

[@curtisloftis6003]

James Lindsay is terrific. He is the G.O.A.T!

[@Enhancedlies]

this is flying far over peoples heads sadly hahahaha

[@lloydgush]

He actually should be more aggressive and quote the most ugly shit possible.

[@5chitzo]

The guy behind JL "Is this what god-mode looks like?!" This is the best thing since sliced bread! 🤣😅🤣

[@elizabethspence4033]

Journalist adversary. No clue

[@pollyester6639]

King James is in the UK. All hail, all hail. I kneel and declare loyalty. Get the walk back to the seat.

[@californiadreamer2580]

Agree with so many here, and it's wonderful that these young people are exposed to highly skilled debaters such as Mr. Lindsay, who can so precisely articulate both sides of an argument.

[@rgghjs9270]

This wasn't a debate, people tried to speak to him several times but he declined. This was just a performance

[@californiadreamer2580]

@@rgghjs9270 virtually all debates are a performance.

[@rgghjs9270]

@@californiadreamer2580 no they aren't lol, that's not what debate means. People tried to challenge him, he declined. This was just a stupid rehearsed sketch

[@FirstLast-zk5ow]

Those advocating that woke culture is not a "mental illness". Are so charged ... and committed to their strong beliefs. However, their delusion that the rest of us , have to dance to their tune .. constantly , regardless of how absurd it can be .. is ridiculous. I don't mind someone having their moment in the sun. But to expect you to think and do as they expect you to .. is not okay.

[@AndyJarman]

Trans has already dismantled Critical Reconstructionist. The real challenge we are now facing is the WEF and it's cabal of monied Macheavellians.

[@FirstLast-zk5ow]

@@AndyJarman the challenge is not to get wrapped up in their stories, theories and all other means of distraction and disinformation. To keep a clear understanding of the difference between what we know and what we've been told to be true. What we've been told .. is hardly ever actually true. However, what we know ... isn't always true either. Just stay grounded and never lend yourself to someone elses delusions.

[@f.b.4871]

Well played, comrade. Well played.

[@anneother6224]

Bravo, James Lindsay.

[@Dankness9]

James Lindsay is one of the most articulate and deepest thinkers of the 21st century. I consume all of his material I can get. May God continue to bless our societies with men, albeit flawed, with great conviction and reasoning like Dr Lindsay.

[@chrispercival9789]

Outstanding job Dr Lindsay. Understanding woke better than their own academics. Masterful.

[@astralcowboy5511]

The look on that woke model’s face is priceless

[@ReadItAgainBJ]

He keeps saying, "We have taken no steps towards achieving this..." Every single time I say to myself, "Thank God."

[@crustybomb115]

thats exactly his point, hes literally subverting the woke bs from within in that debate while also basicly explaining that theres no "too far" in wokism...

[@nobodysfool2232]

James at his best.

[@zo1dberg]

Stunning and Brave™, Dr Lindsay, Stunning and Brave™!

[@jeremyponcy7311]

This is why I give James Lindsay my money. Masterful!

[@roystreet1395]

Love it. Just like his podcasts: he starts slow; then he takes off., Giving in to his passion, starts spraying ideas like a machine-gun. Had to re-watch just to catch up. Clearly, though, his auditors also got left behind.

[@elizabethspence4033]

No the one behind him is a journalist who is an adversary. He lost the plot. His GF or something besides him was just as clueless and ordinary.

[@AllanGildea]

Humbling to see such intellect, rhetorical power and moral fervour at work.

[@fastasashark6988]

😂I’ve been waiting patiently for this one.

[@s.c.degrand2064]

Me too! It was such a good payoff!

[@praack4563]

I like the look of understanding when they realize that being in black tie is not being woke....

[@LouisHCampagna]

James Lindsay, by the self-assigned powers vested in me, I dub thee, Lord of the Trolls!

[@MustPassTruck]

The arrogant laughter from the children in the room who only have a fraction of the knowledge and experience of this man is telling.

[@user-gx4wi4cv2m]

6:27 black girl behind him: visible confusion because of this gem of elevated satire

[@j.hmarvelous2231]

James is the only one on that stage that has street cred and is an intellectual giant 🙌🏾🫡

[@dinobotpwnz]

He's the most well known because of the Grievance Studies Affair which was his best work. After that, he became a boring keyboard warrior.

[@alementary4065]

@@dinobotpwnz You've obviously not read any of his other work, or listened to his 'New Discourses' podcast.

[@trollsearching8968]

@@dinobotpwnz love it. Bring the cope. Comment more, please. I need these cope replies every day.

[@dinobotpwnz]

@@trollsearching8968 Happy to oblige. There's one FB friend where for his birthday, I'm going to make a happy birthday post in the "translations from the wokish style". It is oppressive to celebrate the passing down of privilege through the circumstances of one's birth, bla, bla bla. Quippy fodder for people online but that's about it.

[@trollsearching8968]

@@dinobotpwnz perfect!!! This is it. Awesome sauce!

[@VesnaVK]

Many commenters here believe James Lindsay was using a reductio ad absurdum to mock wokeness (by saying that it hasn't gone too far because by its very nature, it cannot). Some think that was a puerile cheap trick done for a laugh. Some think it was a brilliant rhetorical move. But it was neither of these. Lindsay did not present a reductio ad absurdum. Nor did he make any claim to uncover some covert agenda. He didn't even aspire to point out a flaw. What he did was to present a straight reading of a philosophy whose core is about bringing about a practical enactment of the Hegelian dialectic. The revolution must be all-encompassing and must be perpetual; that's a central tenet. His presentation was based on thorough reading of the subject, and he backed up everything he said with quotes. If you read the literature, you will see this is the case.

[@pauld.everts1586]

As if he needs it, GO JAMES! Our nation needs you!

[@casusolivas]

I mean, his point can be understood as: yes it has gone too far, but it can be worse... he says it just hasn't gone as far as it could be, and thats his warning.

[@mom2eando]

It will never be far enough.

[@dinobotpwnz]

Exactly. "Has woke culture gone too far" is an easy question. But would things be better if all these woke millennials converted to James Lindsay's politics? That's a much harder one.

[@casusolivas]

@@dinobotpwnz well probably not milenials, I wonder if gen z will rebel against the woke status quo… my problem with wokeness is not their intentions, is their methods… you don’t get rid of racisim by being racists towards white peoples, nor do you end up sexism by being sexists towards men, and you don’t improve acceptance of trans people by denying reality… their methods is what is stupid.

[@stevenrn6640]

Given James is a classical liberal. Yes. The world would be much better.

[@afuzzycreature8387]

@@mom2eando this is why they always end in some extreme orgy of deaths between the killing fields, the great leap forward, and other purges. You can never be maximalist enough in the application of a good idea because all good ideas cannot go wrong.

[@silviapopa1121]

To me what James is describing sounds a lot like the depths of hell. I'm not even religious but I pray that we never get to experience the woke culture having gone too far.

[@AndyJarman]

Pieter Bruegel the Elder has painted aufhaben's conclusion better than most. This is precisely what he was depicting - utter debasement and faithlessness, a critical theory of everything.

[@deaconblooze1]

It has been said that hell is a place without reason. From there it's not a very big leap to figure who might be behind a movement that wishes to completely deconstruct reason.

[@smellthecoffee5314]

Brilliant ! - but I wonder if the last 5 minutes, the most important part of the message, may have gone over the heads of some of those students judging by the expression on their faces.

[@AnnalyFaith]

He proves the opposition right by his lack of grace to accept the interruption, much like the Nazi's did, 'my voice is the only voice, my way is right, if I shout louder I will drown out the opposition' 'conform to our view or be punished/silenced/disappeared'. You don't put out a flame by throwing on more fuel.

[@wouterlansdaal2337]

To give an argument you don't agree with... I don't know what to say. All his arguments to be valid require the presumption that woke is valid which he doesn't believe

[@MichaelWooten]

This speech is spectacular.

[@TheLogicBeast]

James performs a 'short march through the institution'.

[@purdysanchez]

This isn't fair. You can't just let someone talk about the underlying literature that college professors use to mold their students' ideologies.

[@purdysanchez]

@AYSHIA wasRAPEDbyYOURPROPHETatnsix! , when you criticize the literature they say "Pablo Freire, Frankfurt School, etc is some of the most 'cited' literature in the humanities. It's academically credible". When you criticize the ideas contained within the literature they say "These are obscure ideas. These ideas aren't mainstream. They're only being taught in very small specialized classes". Weird how they can be both the most cited topics by professors, but also hardly ever taught in a classroom. It's an insult to the intelligence of a moron to use such a tactic.

[@theemiddleone]

Fan-freaking-tastic James hits the nail on the head while deflecting the time wasting commie interruptions Beautiful !

[@V.squared]

Normalize. The insanity of our time, you are wonderfully eloquent. Thank you.

[@cachinnation448]

Every word a shovel in the ground digging the grave of Wokery

[@roxee57]

This is what is used to be like at university. Someone put forward an argument. You listened carefully. You thought about it, read the works that informed it. Read the works that critiqued it. Arrived at a level of understanding of the argument equal to or better than the person who made it. And then, if you concurred added more reasons to support it. And if you didn’t concur were able to articulate the reasons why. James was brilliant, but he appeared to stand out by shining brighter here because because so many who show up to these things these days don’t appear to have “done the work” so fail to either convincingly make the case, or refute it.

[@WristyGymnast]

James knows his shit

[@IphigeniaAtAulis]

You know a man is an expert on a subject when he can defend it better than anyone else, all the while not believing in it.

[@Skylarkraven]

No, we take back our words. To dare to claim that "Woke Culture has gone too far" is to believe that they have NOT already gone way too far. Well done James Lindsay. You've successfully proven that Woke Culture has already gone too far wayyyy long ago.

[@Skylarkraven]

After a 2nd viewing... I just gotta say... OH COME ON you damned intellectuals at Oxford! STOP SMIRKING behind his back trying to hold back laughter at the irony of someone supposedly on the side of Woke Culture but totally undermining it himself hahahahahahah.

[@mariussielcken]

'We must have permanent revolution.' -Trotsky

[@ReasonAboveEverything]

Isn't that man the monster who called for "hardening of hearts" to be able to butcher people till rivers of blood etc. for the good of revolution?

[@aclark903]

"Whatever happened to - Leon Trotsky?" #TheStranglers.

[@dylanmurphy9389]

We must have a revolution against the revolution