From Kargil to the Coup: Events that Shook Pakistan (Book Discussion)

From Kargil to the Coup: Events that Shook Pakistan (Book Discussion)
Owen Bennett-Jones in conversation with author and journalist
Nasim Zehra

[@Anshuman566]

She felt in more pain due to the fact that Indian army pounded them hard in her own words … what do you expect if you attack another country !?? She said india viciously did air strikes … said brave young Pakistani soldiers … such was the bravery that they had to be buried by Indian army .. due respect to those who died but what about the cowards who did not accept the bodies ? Who flew to Delhi to negotiate basically surrender …

[@SumitKumar-lz5yv]

The history of Pakistan is an excellent guide about what not to do as a nation.

[@GZ-ASSASSIN]

They will attack whenever you think this, Pakistani generations Brainwashed by there Generals, its not a easy task to wake them Up as Harrapan people as we indians are because invasion through out History brought terror to those early people living in those days Hindustan west , modern day pakistan

[@shanu3588]

India responded us viciously...so what did musharaff expect that indian army will send them flowers bouquet...🙄

[@prateek7366]

You see... When Siachen happened in 84' ... Pakistan army doesn't had stomach to fight their.. They expected similar response from our side....!

[@KarthikVijapurapu]

@@prateek7366 True. But Siachen was fair game. As the border just ended at the foothills of the glacier whereas Kargil is firmly on the Indian side of the LOC.

[@susantaugar6633]

I praise her because manipulating truth is a hard job and she did it well.

[@alinaqvi1864]

What truth ???? Can you elaborate and give some examples of what you exactly mean....

[@amitjain11000]

@@alinaqvi1864 abhi mumbai 2008 ka intekam baaqi hain lahore ki sadko par, tu dekhta jaa IMF ke bhikari.

[@naveenbangalore362]

@@alinaqvi1864 Lady mixing some shit in b/w as well, India taking Siachin is very different from Pak's Kargil incursion. Siachin is on LOC and no was manning it permanently. Pakistan had plans to take it over permanently, INdia got wiff of pakistan's cold weather soldier unifrom procurement plans from European vendor and beat pakistan into their plans. Now Kargil is well within Indian side of LOC and hence India had every right to pound any one and it is not vicious, if pak had done that, then it would courageous answer? what a duplicity. Someone talking about nuclear option during peace time is very much different than some one talking about during a active conflict engagement. Lady is very hurt about pounding.

[@prashantpatekar5656]

Shameless people who didn't claim bodies of their soldiers, didn't give respect to own soldiers.She didn't utter a single word about this

[@MS-nc7ku]

She is lying about india china border

[@hempepe7]

Agree

[@aminscienceacademy8680]

Bysharam aurat ha ye sharam nae ati joht bolty Pakistan Army har zindabad

[@alkapundir9421]

Those who equate and reason kargil for Siachen are made to undertand the meaning of famous saying " baap is baap", afterall.

[@srinivasarao7145]

I went through her interview in BBC . There also in her entire interview she did not complete even a single sentence. After two words suddenly she would inject a deferent issue. From the start to end of the interview she never gave answer to a single question. She would start and in the middle she just divert the subject.. you canot make out what she wanted to tell and what she said. I heard she had taken 15 years to complete the book. It would be interesting to read the book .

[@kshipraprashar8878]

Very true i also saw that interview and she was so confused. She was accepting that pakistan did blunder but blaming india for instigating them to do so.

[@NeerajVerma-pp4gx]

She took 15 years to write this. I don't blame her she can't write the entire truth , she will become a member of the Dead Poet Society.

[@shyamk4257]

Riyaste pudina dhaniya 🤣🤣🤣

[@upadhyayrathiraj1518]

And, in the end, Pakistanis left their dead and ran away helter-skelter😂😂😂

[@jayeshmistry4221]

00:30:05 PM of Pakistan was aware of things, not only that she supported the army's actions in Kargil. Wow, they all have mastered the skills of lying.

[@OnkarShrma]

Bro she have to live after it. So obviously she can't be 100% honest here. You just have to read between the lines.

[@Vinay_Acharya]

Lying or concealing facts is a survival skill in Pakistan. Unfortunately...

[@jessepinkman9432]

@@Vinay_Acharya not only Pakistan.......samaj rahe ho

[@berozgaar6118]

This lady is very sharp but on bias and propaganda mode.

[@upadhyayrathiraj1518]

She is proud of her army which has fought four wars with India and lost all miserably 😂😂😂

[@User-wh5mk]

lol not all wars lol 😂

[@naveenbangalore362]

@@User-wh5mk yes all of them, 1947-48 tried to take full Kashmir, couldn't as India helped Maharaj Hari singh and clawed back 2/3 rd of Kashmir. 1965- Operation Grand slam & Gibraltar tried to take over Kashmir, had to end-up defending Lahore and lick wounds that cost General Ayub his presidency as it weakened him a lot. 1971- Pak attacked western front on India in Rajasthan on Dec 03rd and then had to loose half of its country. 1999- Kargil- you heard the story

[@User-wh5mk]

@@naveenbangalore362 dude 1948, 1965 were stalemates/ceasefires and 1999 America ordered Pakistan to back off that’s how you gained the land back not from you guys fighting lol…

[@naveenbangalore362]

@@User-wh5mk dude, glass can be viewed from both sides, pls be happly to see what you want. if you want to call stalemates call it , since pak started operation Grandslam and operation Girblator, did you get what you wanted by starting these operations? , if so it is win, if not it is loss, we were able to defend in 1965 by opening the front in rajastan. In 1948 we didnt get full Kashmir back ,but we recovered 2/3rd back. In 1999 you did go to america on july 4th on their national holiday for emergency to get their help to ask Americans to influence Indians to stop pounding.. Americans said no to you ordered to first fall back of LaC without any conditions. So you want a justification why goals were not acheived you can have any reasons you want. We learn from mistakes, 1948 was bad, for India we could have done more to get 100% back.. so 1962- Against China Was bad again. so 1965 -- we improved a lot in 3 years 1971 - improved by miles 1984-- Got siachin-- improved by a lot 1999 -- Intially intellgience failure , in the end was able to make miltary and diplomatic win. You started of well in 1965 in Kashmir, but didnt expect to India to open a front in Lahore.. (not a good finsher of the game) you started well in 1999 in Kashmir, but didnt expect INDIA bringing Bofors guns/Airforce pounding. and also had high/misplaced expectations of whole world coming to your defence, but world caught your nuclear bluff, you cant justfiy everything by saying you have atomic power. (again you are not a finisher of a game). Pounding By Indian army was so heavy that pak ran out of ammunitions, as supply chains were cutt(food was run out, PAK army was brave tho for asking for ammunition instead of food, reallistically your army couldnt have survived for long). Your ex millitary calls it as tactical brillaince but statergical blunder.(both. 1965/1999) India componseated inteeligence failure with good military and diplomatic actions. Understand India means business/money.. everyone loves business and money... You can only sell cheap body labour ( mujahedden fighters to west for their fights) only so much, it wont beat business/markets any day.

[@mod3353]

@@User-wh5mkno you cowards have lost every single war!

[@jiteshverma9589]

She has to take a well calculated and measured stand. Else, Pak army would make her vanish in thin air. No wonder she never attacks Pak army directly as an institution.

[@adnanshahid5961]

Kargil was a debacle for us ! Musharraf blunder

[@kss2410]

Not only Kargil but 65 and 71 were mega blunders of pakistan... I think the realisation has now set in that India is big and not to mess with it.

[@devangmetha]

Actually with Siachen, both countries made a move. She has conveniently missed out operation Ababeel. The Indians preemptively put up posts under operation Meghdoot. With respect to the Chinese war, we already have the MacMohan line of control. India didn’t need to nibble away beyond that. It is the Chinese who had an issue with the British legacy. Extraordinary interpretation of history by the lady in the podcast. Pakistani historians are truly amazing.

[@prateek7366]

Top 4 general knew it... army chief knew it.... PM gave a go-ahead.... Aur kehte hain decision institutional nahi tha...ISPR Twitter pe post karega tb decision institutional hoga kya?

[@Bond598]

the first guy on QA who was emotional, is absolutely right. The Generals didn't lose any sons, normal public did, on both sides. and all for what?? i understand the place to be emotional was wrong, but he was absolutely right about the power of paper and also the power of incompetence in wrong hands.

[@kss2410]

Basically the Pakistan Army is most indisciplined.... and nothing to be proud off.... They dont belief in democracy and hence the coups which happen..

[@ashokvarma8988]

India lost confidence in Pakistan with the Kargil war. We opened up our border to send bus as a gesture of friendship, but you sent your army for occupying Kashmir. Anyway, respect to the armies of both sides. Jai Hind

[@sarfm266]

Hold on Pakistan tried to get those area back you occupied in 1971 . Update your knowledge please else shut up and listen

[@UCs8iLZnBS-BnCz3Fi6]

@@sarfm266 Oh really. When was NH1D was in Pakistani control the pak army was trying to cut off in 1999. You need to read some history son.

[@artram1655]

@@UCs8iLZnBS-BnCz3Fi6 Actually Kargil town was in Pakistan hand till 1971 and changed hands after the 1971 war and became Indian territory

[@manteshsharma9351]

@@artram1655 This is the wildest most bizarre claim I've ever heard. Please give any considerable source of reference to prove that "Kargil town" was in Pakistan's occupation before 1971. 😂

[@nikhilpanikkar]

@@sarfm266 But you said it was in retaliation to no man' s land Siachen which Po.rk.is.tan tried to occupy and but India prempted?😂😂😂😂

[@getevennow]

“There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare.” ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[@abharaval8399]

'Vicious response from the Indians' what kind of response do they expect on their such deeds !

[@tilakmahto8179]

Budhau Sartaj Aziz wanted to fool us again 😂😂😂 after Musharraf 's army surreptitiously crossed LOC. Good that, we have Modi as PM, not Vajpayee who trusted Pakistan More so kudos to BCCI in not sending team to Pakistan

[@rameshphogat9232]

Indian Army has done commendable job for nation giving lesson to Pakistan govt and army as well

[@ppd27575]

350 yrs hence we still have a British subject of the crown stoking the flames of hatred between India and Pakistan. … Indians have been clear they will resolve their own issues. Seems like Pakistan did not get the memo.

[@sachaadmi6203]

Gora chacha hits nail on the head. Army chief knew it Yes Then it was institutional How can you deny?

[@devendrasinghdalal2900]

Pakistani's feet went cold as soon as Tiger Hill and Tolo ling fell to Indian army. Then Pakistan was begging for peace, but Indians went after them, and it was a massacre.

[@rasikapriya4ever]

Gen Musharraf had grossly failed to assess the Indian army's reaction as pointed out by Lt. Gen. Shahid Aziz. It is appalling that the gang of four even failed to note that there were alternate routes to Siachen.

[@kss2410]

Gen Shahid Aziz is no different .. he was one of the Gang of Four !! Once the Army retired him he started to see things differently.... he is the same person who said to Nawaz Sharief that he will be bigger than Jinnah one day after this operation !! How come a PM belive this... This Shahid than becomes a terrorist and vanishes to Syria to join ISIS !! Few are aware the type of Generals Pak Army breeds !!

[@UCs8iLZnBS-BnCz3Fi6]

All countries have armies. But Pakistani army has a country.

[@raghunandan9290]

She talks of Siachen . Siachen was a Free zone area both for India and Pakistan. But India had intelligence that Pakistan and China in Cohorts had an evil plan to take over Siachen by force . Pak was buying Equipment for soldiers in western nations . India came to know about it and India preempted them . Since then we are now on the TOP of the Siachen ...

[@kss2410]

Learnings for us ... never leave Siachen even in winters !! Our army knows now.

[@n2201]

I love the way she talks, confidence & clarity. Looking forward to reading the book

[@WA-hornet007]

Yup, she wrote it for the folks like you.

[@gurmohansingh1868]

There was no strategic aim behind Kargil intrusion by pakistan. It was a directionless operation. At the most it was a tactical operation.

[@paddynair6446]

How pakistanis decieve themselves😅

[@vimaldob]

Only pakistani can laugh after their troops suffer huge lost and their own soldier dies

[@krishkingdom8683]

we take siachen,you cant take it back.you take kargil,we take it back. when india does something there is no coming back.be careful what you wish for.

[@salmansyed6206]

And as per your approach, Aliens must have had captured Azad Kashmir which you can't take back...Get a life.

[@krishkingdom8683]

@@salmansyed6206 93000 happened!so dont worry.

[@salmansyed6206]

Well General Manik Shah said that Pak Army fought valiantly in Eastern sector against all odds. Since than you Indians can't comprehend the fact that 5th Generation warfare will be fought in minds..I wish you good luck for your wet dreams.

[@krishkingdom8683]

@@salmansyed6206 you were,are and will be presumptuous about us. you captured kargil hills but we kicked you out from there. we captured siachen but you cant do anything. keep your eye on pok and balochistan.

[@salmansyed6206]

@@krishkingdom8683 Yeah We are waiting for another Sar Ji Kal sstrike which will win your Mozi another tenure. You know we shall have cup of tea ready for your another Goof head pilot. Enjoying seeing your a@@ F@@@d up in Afghanistan han ? :D

[@ravinderpalsingh4225]

Indian occupation of features in Siachin were on the Eastern side of cease fire line agreed at Karachi Agreement. As these features were unoccupied, but Pakistani started sending expeditions to the Siachin Glacier. Indian Army decided to preventive occupation of the features which were clearly on the Indian side

[@rabisahoo7681]

The author is a brave person to write this much staying in Pakistan. As an Indian i appreciate. But question is will Pakistani Army or the powerful authority ever learn from this episode? 😊

[@knowledgepower839]

Normally country have ARMY In Pakistan ARMY have country 😊

[@Avenger62]

If she is a pakistani intellectual then in India we have thousands like her at the tea shop.Riyasat e pudina for a reason.

[@anonymousm1090]

She is not intellectual she glorified kargil cowardly act many times

[@pfiko]

A knock out speak for itself madam ... 1965, 1971, 1999 ... come this side of the line we will make sure u have ur meeting with your maker

[@suprakashchatterjee6805]

She is telling the truth, though trying hard to glorify n dignify Pak army n gov.But at the same time foolishly bringing disgrace to both Pak Army n Pak thru her facts n words.Since both Pak Army n Pak istan is immoral,fool, coward to say the least.

[@vali3537]

The very existence of Pakistan is a slap on your face! Go take your hegemony to Bhutan, only look towards Pak if you want Tea!

[@kindwarrior6484]

@@vali3537 he's a Bangladeshi 😂😂 and Bangladesh, the very existence of which you-decide-what on your face!

[@vali3537]

@K P we learned, shot down your flyboy. I hope Modi learns as well.

[@vali3537]

@K P I dont care if you are a fellow countryman. I just care that Indians should acknowledge the reality, so we can have peace. Otherwise Tea & samosa are ready!

[@newcoc8067]

@@vali3537 exactly imf dab

[@kakkajikahin3516]

Conversations/communications between US president and Indian PM, from Lahore bus trip till end of Kargil war are eye opener on what had transpired. Many books have been written on the theme that "nawaj sharif was not informed".These books are very poor cover up/smoke screen for much bigger failure, that happened then, on global Geo-political stage. Gauss what? Clue is in first sentence of the comment.

[@nasirmustafa2492]

General Mushsraf should have been made an example but PM Nawaz Sharif miserably failed to do so. The thugs should have faced the music.

[@jdeea8852]

A country which has to be in debts forever has to be in a safe diplomatic space, of course..

[@MRafat]

I may differ with Naseem Zehra on certain points, but generally it is perceived that Kargil operation was a misadventure planned by 4 senior officers sureptetiously, Lt col retd Ashfaq has also written the same point of view in his book "witness to blunder" and Gen Rtd Gulzar Kayani was also critical on the way the whole operation was conducted in his interview.

[@hempepe7]

What a liar she is India takes the post and then pak takes some post Wow

[@adnanshahid5961]

Her book is a comprehensive review ! Even Indian Generals have said it’s not a bias book

[@sandeepkodam2948]

@@adnanshahid5961 name the general or else it's only an accusation

[@devendrasinghdalal2900]

Silly explanation on 120 posts as all posts vacated by Indian army during winters are concrete structures. If number was so less how did 2,500 Pakistani soldiers die in Kargil.

[@raghunandan6228]

Seems like she is placed by the Pakistan army to make a bunch-of-excuses for their ill-concieved plan and make Pakistan army look good and Indian army look bad. What a bunch of crock, too bad people like this are given an audience.

[@hironava1310]

Occupying post from where the Indian forces had withdrawn due to weather , is an act of mountaineering not a military achievement as the author would want people to believe.

[@kss2410]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@n2201]

I wish there was a bit more talk about the end of war to the coupe

[@nvcworld6423]

Taking Siachen is different than the Kargil

[@ashokdeiva]

India never occupied Kashmir. The king of Kashmir acceded to the union of India. When you 34:00 take a wrong action expect a vicious response

[@jayesh2910]

Nasim Zehra's conclusion is applicable to all countries and all spheres of life. If the civilian government is not competent and strong institutional decision making, then Military or other vested interest can occupy the vacuum. It is important that elected civilian government is briefed by competent people on all important states matter and decision making strictly on the basis of the Institutional basis and not one individual. For example, cabinet committie on security. The book should be also part of International relation studies apart from defece studies. Great compilation and contribution to future generation by Nasim. Thanks from India.

[@2sridhark]

She is saying nothing new here. Pakistan's own military generals (after retirement) have said Kargil was a fiasco. All except Musharraf! Problem is: Pakistan never learnt from these fiasco and went on to do Mumbai attack of 26/11 that made it a true pariah nation.

[@abharaval8399]

​@@2sridhark true here she is only trying to save face. Window dressing of all blunders of Pakistani General.

[@factytop10s45]

Saying indians don't know balti and thought it was pashto is the stupidest thing i have heard many ladhaki speaks balti and kashmiri too , and jakrif was present in the area who were local

[@prashantpatekar5656]

She is speaking on behalf of someone to save the face

[@arunsharma-eb4ps]

Bravery of pakistani soldiers😂😂😂. Sitting on 17,000 ft with artillery fire support, HMG's, LMG's, stinger missiles, still get booted out. Indian flags on Kargill heights flying when Nawaz Sharif meeting Bill Clinton.

[@vijeshwar.8157]

Vicious kind of response....? What madam.....do you think India shoild have responded with lathi charge,tear shells , rubber bullets or warning shots in air to throw your army out...did you really expected this....?

[@ON-tk7bp]

A Pakistani debacle.

[@kshipraprashar8878]

I like my neighbors room i demolished our common wall merged his room into my house , but when he came back he questioned me and i fought with bravery. Madam is so much confused.

[@saurabhbhardwaj1131]

27:35 Pakistanis crossed the LoC and captured Indian posts and started a bloody war that they lost and here she says that one of the Mig violated the LoC? 🤦🏻‍♂️ What are these people? Why don't they bang on walls while they are walking? These guys are hilariously annoying 😒

[@hempepe7]

Agree

[@DonzaiNoHana]

Don't expect sense from them. The mental rot is deep rooted channeled by bigot mindset that you observe from their conduct to their textbooks

[@vineetsinghgusain701]

Occupy .. mind bogling... did they went up fighting

[@amitjain11000]

even after this, Musharaff came to Agra and talks happened with Maunmohan. we lost confidence after women and children and innocent people were killed in Mumbai 2008. and one day we will take revenge of mumbai on streets of lahore. inshallah.

[@paddynair6446]

Nawaz Sharif was the best of the Pakistani prime ministers and he sincerely desired settlement on many occasions.But the Pakistani Army blocked him every time as there would be no raison de etre for such a lavish lifestyle😅

[@TanujAbhayKhanna]

Two pakistani army poodles on stage. One asking questions and one answering. Both radicals lying of course.

[@devershee]

Yeh ending sahi hai🤣🤣🤣

[@silwat447]

See the quotes of Indian generals of that time..why do politicians undermine the bravado of our soldiers..they try to please India..how much did she gain from it...

[@amitjain11000]

kargil can be justified but mumbai 2008 cannot be justified morally, though pakistan broke its own jaw in kargil.

[@tilakmahto8179]

Musharraf was a brave commando but an idiot strategist. A supreme court judge made him retire and go absconding

[@hempepe7]

Another lie only 200 men??

[@arjunrana175]

rest is history

[@harpreetsinghgrewal2909]

Read Kumar Verma on 1962

[@PradeepKesarkar]

What about Cap. Saurabh kaliya was it a humetarin act by pak army, are you proud of it.

[@aniltiwari4953]

She can't finish a single sentence properly without moving on to another and to another ... Never finishing it conclusively.

[@user-vt4gb6qu8i]

Only pak occupies the post don't paint the same to the opposite to drag down to level with you. They are just responding to pak advance in loc. And let me tell you POK will be soon annexed to India and you can cry about it all you want.

[@vijeshwar.8157]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏with my own reservations..

[@samk6145]

Great work Nasim mam. Will read your book soon.Love from India. I heard a lot about this book and the kind of effort you put in. Best wishes.

[@gautamghosh8037]

The lady mixes up everything 😅😅😅😅

[@sadafshaheen787]

nice

[@hempepe7]

Respect for army

[@DJ-vg8by]

SASHI THAROOR.

[@hempepe7]

Dawn leak ridiculous You are wrong

[@shadow_prince_rex]

Is this available in India??

[@adnanshahid5961]

Maybe you can get a ebook

[@Killroy-qo2hn]

It is

[@azazali5279]

Can i get a copy of that plzzz

[@hempepe7]

Buy it please

[@denk3236]

34:25

[@martobam1678]

Well crafted lie

[@silwat447]

May Allah bless our heroes of Kargill

[@Maverick-zo4kc]

Your "heroes" surrendered and lost Kargil War to India

[@MK-br3gl]

Sasta set lag raha hai

[@amitjain11000]

its ok, haar jeet to game ka hissaa hain. ab apni economy sambhaalo.

[@vikashprasad4594]

L

[@arunsharma-eb4ps]

Sleep talking......

[@MS-nc7ku]

Misadventure of general done by him

[@amirhakim2388]

Nothing new. A lot of time already wasted on it.

[@rohitnagpal751]

Love from India to All the Pakistani's (except the Military generals and politicians) Military generals and politicians are of no good in Pakistan. Same goes for the politicians in India.

[@Striker-jg9kv]

Allah ki gaand me lulli aur gando Nabi laudakhor tattikhor Muhammad ki badboodar ghazi haji namazi aashiq gay rasool pichwada me lulla 😂😂

[@prakashpv9492]

Nasim Zehra is fantastic, wish we can have a visit by her to India.

[@ravinayar4314]

There are better books ..more honest from the Indian side

[@UCs8iLZnBS-BnCz3Fi6]

Most of the Pakistani books on Kargil are okay to read except the one by Shireen Mazari which is absolutely shitty. But none of the books are exceptional.

[@guidancetips]

Pakistani troops at that time did not the support of air force to hit indian indian troops back .On the other hand, indian brought airforce to the gargil war.Had pak brought airforce into gargol, the situation may had different. So, there was asymmetry in the use of resources .

[@yashua2211]

Whose fault was it then They couldn't get airforce there This is as delusional as the aims of the generals who started kargil

[@KarthikVijapurapu]

Lol...Pak Air Force Chief said I am not participating in this madness.

[@guidancetips]

No.this is totally misperception and fabricated story on the part of Indians. Pak army sent its troops in the guise of freedom fighters. That is why air cover to Pakistani troops was not given. There was asymmetry of the use of military resources. Now, you indians watched the fierce response from PAF in the form of OPERATION SWIFT RETORT on 27 FEB, 2019 .The tea is fantastic.

[@vishalchhabra2237]

You could not send your PAF because you were lying about invading Kargil. Bewakoofi karo fir bolo ki assymetry thi.

[@rahulkulkarni5174]

For Pakistani troops to get air cover PAF would have had to cross the LoC and that would have resulted in all-out war. Whereas IAF could be deployed as they would still fly on the Indian side of the LoC. They also had strict instructions not to cross the LoC at any time. Lastly, the PAF chief was not in the know of things. So, how could Pakistan have deployed their air force?

[@AADHABULLA]

Stone walling ??? Or stoning wall

[@sushilchandel1563]

Lair

[@commonerIndian]

nice