From Russia with... oil?

Today we are working on an old Soviet watch, a Pobeda ("Victory") watch from 1973 according to one of our knowledgeable viewers! It doesn't seem to run even when fully wound but then changes its mind, and we'll soon find out why it was reluctant to start in the first place... There will be some bad Russian accents, a few bad Russian words that I hope no one will learn and a few other digressions along the way!
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[@alekssorokoletov]

The "Победа" watch in this design was launched in 1973, not in 50's. Even in the conditions of a total shortage of goods in the USSR, it was a watch for old people and peasants, the poorest inhabitants of the "communist paradise". These watch cost 27 rubles, which was about a quarter of the monthly salary of a skilled worker, or almost the entire monthly salary of a collective farmer. By the way, the first toilet paper in the USSR began to be produced in 1969, and it remained in short supply until the very collapse of the country :)

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Alex, thanks for watching and thanks so much for your insights! I've pinned this comment to make sure other viewers also see it. Great stuff!

[@Killsnapz]

@@VintageWatchServices actually Stalin did speak English quite well.

[@paulerhard1252]

@@Killsnapz BS!!! He did not speak a word of English!

[@jllewislewis5210]

What is collapsed its your country not Russia.

[@alekssorokoletov]

@@jllewislewis5210 Не мучайте себя, пишите на "русском" 😀

[@JochenVogel]

I think this is a Pobeda from the 1980s or even the 90s. The finish of their movements deteriorated rapidly in their later decades. There are some watches to be found in which this movement was equipped with a shock-protection and sometimes even a date. They were sold under the brand names Raketa and Vostok in the 1960s and 70s. If the cases are ok, they still make for wearable watches today. Thanks for showing us not only the expensive Swiss pieces but also some curiosities like this one!

[@ihorkhrchvnkv33]

Позолоченные Mеханические часы «Победа», изготовленные на часовом заводе Масленникова в 1990 году, по случаю празднования 45-й годовщины победы Великой отечественной войны

[@ФеликсШуняков]

Название часов Победа воскресили в конце 80-х, до это они продавались как ЗИМ. Я купил такие часы в 1990 г. в белом корпусе типа танк с циферблатом зеленого цвета имитацией малахита. Цена 36 рублей.

[@JochenVogel]

@@ФеликсШуняков Thanks for the info!

[@ФеликсШуняков]

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[@mickeyx6746]

I liked the insight about oiling the exit pallet. I didn’t even know that each of the tines had a name! Thanks!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks Mickey! Yes, we separate between the entry pallet and the exit pallet, and they are as you might know absolutely fundamental to the watch's health. The main difference between them is the angle at which they are set, but also how deep they are set. Very important that they are perfectly set, but it's also not very common that there are issues with them.

[@davidaylsworth8964]

You’re running commentary is just hilarious! Really enjoy watching the videos. Keep up the fun work.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Glad you enjoy it! 😁

[@lukaslindemann1028]

I’ve had a couple of russian watches myself, that were drenched pretty similarly, also smelling like old russian tanks do 😂 quite funny to see someone else have the same experience with this. Love it! You‘re the definition of a „Wolf im Schafspelz“ with your delivery of impeccably dry jokes!

[@VintageWatchServices]

😁👍

[@TurkeyJoe]

Its 3am, I've serviced dozens of these already, but I stayed for the entertaining banter, great fun :)

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hi Joe, that's great to hear! Not that you're sleepless, but that you have fun being so! 😁

[@ryshek]

39:04 There is an inscription in Polish on the strip: WATERPROOF NATURAL LEATHER You make interesting movies, I watch them with interest. Greetings from Poland and I can't wait for the next ones.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Ryshek, thanks for watching and for your comment! Yes, I actually know the inscription says that in Polish thanks to Google translate, but thought I could make some fun out of it :) More to come, so stay tuned!

[@garysmith7545]

Greetings Stian, I had a victory today: I finally got my first movement running (the Elgin 313 pocket watch) to celebrate I watched your oily Russian video. That one was pretty soggy! I used my oils for the first time. At the price Mobius wants, the oil on that watch was possibly more expensive than the watch!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Congrats, Gary! 👍 The first of many to come, I'm sure :) And I'm pretty sure all that oil wasn't Moebius, judging from the smell of it...

[@jatco84]

That is a pretty interesting watch.. and loved your restoration of it.. Got a chuckle out of your comment of 'Swiss Playdough' referring to Rodico. An interesting piece and interesting history of it. As always, your vids and work are most enjoyable to view. Thank you.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks so much for watching them, Thomas!

[@neilpiper9889]

Do more Soviet watches please. I love them. I have a Raketa day date with the 2628h handwind movement and a Raketa sandwich dial with the 2609ha movement. Both run really well.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Neil, thanks for watching and for your comment! I might indeed do some more Soviet watches, but I don't get my hands on all that many. I'll probably try to do a chronograph at some point.

[@douro20]

Raketa watches are still in production. The company even supplies jewels and springs to some Swiss companies. I would consider their automatic movement among the best made today in terms of robustness and reliability.

[@a1nelson]

@@VintageWatchServices Well, if you do, I’d love to see you review them as you do your work, as usual. Soviet watches were the second type of watch that I set about restoring (after a couple Elgin A-11a). I now have Omegas from ever decade (I think), a few Universal Genève automatics, the obligatory Rolex and other fun misc. - all restorations - and they’re great. However, I find myself regularly reaching for my vintage Soviet watches. Maybe they somehow fit my own pragmatism. (Though, my interest in actually _displaying_ those pieces has diminished since 2/2022 :(. ) They’re not the most technically complex, but my favorites are actually the 24hr/polar models. It was only recently that I learned the practical reasoning behind them - interesting stuff. Anyway, thanks for sharing your time with us!

[@anteneupitra]

In UK, some years ago, raketa were the msot bought watches..

[@robertsharpe3890]

That said it is a very pretty watch and I salute your skills in servicing it. I wish I had a fraction of your ability.

[@anteneupitra]

And works very good for the age it has..,

[@RyeOnHam]

When I was a gunsmith in Alaska, I would often service Native (Eskimo) firearms. It was their habit to use whale and seal oil on the guns. They all smelled like rancid, rotten fat and blood and were often locked up by caramelized animal fat.

[@Lemminjoose]

I recently won a POBEDA on eBay! Circa 1960s according to the listing. It's still in transit, but the dial looks so gorgeous and I can't wait to give it some love.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Very nice! Good luck with it :)

[@olejan1438]

Hi, Thank You for sharing this useful video and for your kind words about our country! Cheers from Russia!)

[@VintageWatchServices]

My pleasure, Olejan, thanks for watching and for your comment!

[@zs1dfr]

Look on the bright side, Stian - This watch has NO rust! Thank you for the video and the amusing commentary...

[@justpassnthru]

You have a very soothing voice to listen to... you're kind of the Bob Ross of watch repair! 😉

[@VintageWatchServices]

😁

[@timstoffel4799]

Thanks for the very instructive video on a basic watch. Lots of useful stuff to learn here!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@marisafulk5652]

Be careful...... With that much oil the US may invade your watches.... On a more serious side note, love your videos. Keep it up!

[@walther9161]

The video title was prophetic… Russia… Oil… love the cut-to’s during the video!! Can’t wait to see more.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Nice to hear, Walther :)

[@ericahrendt489]

Thank you for another excellent video. I thought you were going to explain why my Vostoks won't run even when new. And no props for this watch being completely devoid of plastic? So you're saying the Russians knew something Seiko didn't haha. Please keep them coming.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Sorry for missing the problem with your Vostoks 😂 I was actually quite impressed that this watch ran at all and in particular that it wasn't all that much off, considering the oil dam it had to drag the wheels through...

[@westend3019]

"man-eating bear", lol. Thanks for the video and the commentary!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks for watching and for your comment! I might be mistaken about the exact translation but I feel confident I got the gist of it 😉

[@62smarty]

Great work!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks!

[@yru435]

Thanks for the James Bond allusion. I have a number of these watches, in the same case style, and now I am curious to open them up to see what is in there.

[@toboldygo5823]

The American ethos was every three years you redesign a car. The Germans Felt that their cars should evolve in small increments more like nature does.The Chinese & Russians felt that you make some thing as perfect as you can then you pump them out. 🤔 🤷🏻‍♂️✨👍🏻

[@VintageWatchServices]

Sounds about right!

[@troynasello2085]

Fantastic video! I just love your sense of humor. One question; is fixodrop the same thing as one dip? Thanks!

[@richardsalinetrojr1957]

One Dip is a cleaner usually used on the balance spring for what I have learned.I've actually seen one person on youtube use one dip to clean the balance cap jewels as well but not sure if thats a good thing to do or not.fixadrop is something that'll actually help keep oil in the place you put it and help it to not spread out to other parts you don't want the oil on.the fixadrop is extremely expensive also costing $180 for a 100ml bottle.well that's the cheapest I've found it so far.I literally just asked if he knows if it comes in anything smaller than 100ml bottles because I think $180 isn't justifiable for someone like myself that'll only be doing maybe 5 watches per year.another name for fixadrop is epilame from the research I've done so far about it.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hi Troy, no, one dip is a degreasing solution, while fixodrop is a stearic acid. Fixodrop is used to keep oil from creeping, while one dip is used for cleaning parts. Personally I don't use one dip much.

[@1959Berre]

During my military service in the Belgian army in 1981-82, I discovered Lip watches. I had never heard about that brand. Being an officer, I was responsible for the weekly inventory of all weapons. Lip was the designated military watch, which nobody wore, since we all wore our 'civilian' watch.

[@VintageWatchServices]

When I was in the Army we came up with a fake slogan for them to reflect on that the equipment was old and worn: "If it was good enough for your father, it's good enough for you".

[@gaming-historyn-stuff9463]

I got one of thease i think its a 1980s one with the same case desine and applied indices gold plate like the one here. differnt hand set. a very nice watch the zim 2602 is a supringly reliable and accurate moevement. i have a few 2602 movement watches.

[@martinlouden9005]

Another great video. Informative and humorous. Perfect for experienced or new to the game watch repairers!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks Martin, happy you liked it! More to come :)

[@robertsharpe3890]

Once again a watch is found to have a lake of oil between the movement and the dial. Yet whilst the movement gets cleaned with toilet paper, there is no mention of cleaning the back of the dial. Please tell me it was cleaned before it was put in the dial case?

[@panaglaw]

Hi Stien, top job as always a pleasure to watch and enjoy the commentary. How come you didn't just lume the hands?

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks! The dial didn't have any lume, this the hands shouldn't either 😉

[@randyallen2771]

Dobra don Comrade! Interesting show, I'd never heard of these before, however I have several Vostoks, but none are gold ;-) I was surprised that the thing would even run with all that oil! At least there was no rust to contend with. Can't wait to see your next video.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks, Randy! It was indeed very impressive that the watch ran so well (once it actually did) with that sea of oil on the inside. Very simple and reliable movement although slightly lower finishing level than what we are used to... 😄

[@jllewislewis5210]

In russia, we dont oil watches watches oil us.

[@991lung]

Oh god, I have never seen this amount of oil in any watch. In some chinese movements it’s already quite bad, because they throw them in whole into a fluid that should lubricate it, but this one is another level. I wonder how this happened. Great work as always :)

[@VintageWatchServices]

Another commenter said it's because there were "watch repairers" offering a cheap repair that basically amounted to dipping the movement in oil and wiping off most of it on the dial side....

[@gang208]

@@VintageWatchServices And definitely, the oil is not of the Moebius variety.

[@whatsstefon]

@@gang208 it’s definitely the rust prevention variety lol

[@boydsargeant7496]

Thanks. I’ve worked on a couple of these movements before! If you don’t mind me saying, it would be useful if you said what adjustments you make to the watch to get it just so on the timer graph. Also what are in your opinion the ideal settings on the timer graph, as I’m thinking of buying one.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hi Boyd, it varies a bit with each video whether I show more detail on the timing and adjustment, maybe the best one is the one on the Zenith Surf. Have a look at it and let me know if that helps!

[@KathrynLiz1]

Before WW2 a wrist watch was seen as a sign of great affluence in the USSR, so their producing this one was an appropriate thing to do. There was enough oil for about 100 watches in that one. but at least it wasn't rusty! 😀

[@anteneupitra]

Acted as a a conservant.But the russians tell is good ist not easy to see a rusty one..not the same with the swiss

[@HansMeijner]

I serviced a Luch with a 2209 movement a few weeks ago. Or at least I tried. Someone before me had ruined the hairspring and the stud holder. So I got to find a donor movement. Really thin movement for the time it was first produced.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hi Hans, thanks for watching and for your comment! The Luch 2209 is a very nice looking watch and quite un-Soviet-ish both for the dial and case and the movement. It's always a bummer when someone has messed the watch up like that but luckily you should be able to find a donor movement at a reasonable cost :)

[@alaindrolet_atlt_2019]

Nice watch and cool restauration ! You really unoil-it !! 🤪 love it !!

[@VintageWatchServices]

😁 Great to hear you liked it!

[@douro20]

Stalin didn't speak English...but he did speak Georgian (he was born in Georgia). BTW the case is brass (sometimes blackened brass as is the case with my late production one) and the case back is aluminium.

[@VintageWatchServices]

👍

[@frankschroth4038]

Das sah aus wie Olivenöl, leicht grün!! Vielleicht ist die Uhr beim essen in den Salat gefallen? Lol Great Video!!

[@VintageWatchServices]

Vielleicht! 😂 Danke fürs zuschauen!

[@garyboyle695]

New video, good start to the day.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Glad you like it, Gary!

[@gromit1996]

I have a Vostok version of this with a Zoom 2602. I am having a huge problem reassembling the train bridge and can't get the pivots in their jewel settings for the life of me. Some day I will get it correct, but you make it look so easy. Such amazing work and skill. What is the crystal size/diameter that you replaced this with? Thanks.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Clay, thanks for watching and for your comment! It's just a matter of experience and patience getting the pivots in place :) Make sure the pivots are properly in the holes in the mainplate before you try putting the bridges on. Then get the pivots into the bridge starting from the center wheel and moving towards the escape wheel. Once a few of the wheels are in place you can move the barrel a little bit back and forth, that might make the rest of the pivots fall in place. I unfortunately don't remember which crystal size this was 😄

[@VWatchie]

Great video! Thanks! According to the document “The Practical Lubrication of Watches and Clocks” by the British Horological Institute: “Where the oiling of watches is concerned, nothing short of perfection should be accepted.” I guess the watchmaker before you forgot to read that document.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks for watching! Maybe the Russian translation was somewhat flawed 😏 Are you a Vostok watch fan?

[@VWatchie]

@@VintageWatchServices Yes, the translations was more than likely flawed! 🤣 I am indeed a Vostok watch fan, but these days I'm equally interested in all sorts of calibres. However, Vostok is where I got started as they are extremely affordable and spare parts always available for next to nothing compared to the Swiss. For anyone just starting servicing and repairing watches, I do recommend the Vostok 24XX calibres. For anyone interested, you can see my service walkthrough of a Vostok 2409 here: www.watchrepairtalk.com/topic/11911-vostok-2409-service-walkthrough/ BTW, I'm Swedish, but I'm not sure you, being a Norwegian, would consider that to be merit! 🤣 Hope you'll appreciate the following: Det var en gång en svensk, en rysk och en norrman som skulle byta hjärnor. Ryssen sa: - Jag vill ha en norsk hjärna! Då sa svensken: - Varför det? Ryssen: - För att den är helt oanvänd!

[@lobo-1197]

… but you will not find any corrosion in such watch. 😉 I like your type of humor.

[@VintageWatchServices]

😁👍

[@ihorkhrchvnkv33]

1990! Позолоченные Mеханические часы «Победа», изготовлены на часовом заводе Масленникова в 1990 году, по случаю празднования 45-й годовщины победы Великой отечественной войны...

[@gregcapella5941]

Great Video

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks Greg!

[@richardsalinetrojr1957]

Awesome video as always.always love learning more about servicing watch movements.any chance you know if you can get the fixadrop in anything smaller than a 100ml bottle?for a person still getting started in this hobby and being as I more than likely won't be doing more then maybe 5 watches per year I serious can't justify spending $180 on a 100ml bottle of the stuff.besides that if the fixadrop does actually have a expiration date im sure it'll go bad before I use even 5% of it.also after looking at the oiling sheet for a sellita sw200 I see that it says to use the fixadrop on all the keyless works parts as well.is that absolutely necessary and is that something you would recommend doing or is it safe to just go about putting a little grease on the areas needed and be done with it?

[@VWatchie]

You can get Fixodrop in smaller quantities on eBay. Still silly expensive though. Do we really need it? Well, it facilitates not spreading the oil, but is it really necessary? I guess not.

[@richardsalinetrojr1957]

@@VWatchie awesome.ill check out eBay then.thank you.didnt really think it was 100% necessary to use on the keyless works being that thicker grease is used on those parts but would still like to do the pallet jewels with it prior to oiling.before I buy anything else though I'm gonna ask my local watchmaker and see if he'd be willing to trade me a little bit for a fresh bottle of 9010 since I somehow ended up buying 2 bottles of it.1 place said it was out of stock when I placed order so ordered it from another place and ended up receiving them both 3 days apart.lol.thank you for the info.greatly appreciated.

[@VintageWatchServices]

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[@christopherjames9214]

Qualifies you for membership of OPEC I would think!

[@VintageWatchServices]

😂👍

[@TheSupertecnology]

OMG HAHAHAHAHA 10:10 You definitely got me cracking 😂😂 had to comment on that one too

[@VintageWatchServices]

😄

[@stevstro4498]

What with the current cost of energy, possibly the previous owner was saving it to take advantage of oil price peaks 😉

[@tonyking9235]

AND I THORT MY CAR USED OIL . MARVELLOUS THAT OIL THAY USED .

[@frohnnielsen]

How is the metallurgy of soviet and Chinese watches? Does that have much impact? Incidentally, that watch reminds me very much of cheap electric wall clocks found in every north american home in the late 50s.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Soviet watches were made of low quality metals, Chinese watches seem to use good quality depending on the price levels.

[@frohnnielsen]

@@VintageWatchServices thank you very much for that. If they start with poor quality materials, does that not imply that soviet watches are trying to make a silk purse from a sow's ear? As an 'old car guy', i know that soviet cars will never be very good simply because they start with poor materials. No matter how much you fix them, they will never be more than mediocre. Very much enjoying your channel. I have taken watches apart, but not quite managed to reassemble them…… :)

[@michaelbedford8017]

Interesting that there was far less 'crud' on the case and movement. Mind you, back then you had to queue even for crud.

[@VintageWatchServices]

🤣👍

[@fubarmodelyard1392]

A little ornate but not too bad when worn. I have several Soviet watches. A Slava that runs well, a Raketa that has a slow motion balance yet runs fast, a Vostok that runs but the big hands don't move on their own, a Pobeda that keeps time, and a Poljot that's the most accurate

[@VintageWatchServices]

It actually looks quite alright, not really my style but for what it is it's good. These old Sovietskis actually are of very good quality when measured per dollar they cost.

[@mehedihassan8944]

"we mek the pyertss and its fyinyished"😂😂😂😂 though i have a 2602 movement and its nicely finished apparently also the case back has some perlage on it😅.

[@VintageWatchServices]

😁

[@Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968]

Hello, I have a watch with this movement and the crown has worn perfectly smooth and needs to be replaced. Can you tell me what the thread size is so I can order one to replace it upon the original stem. Many thanks for this upload, it might be helpful when I service my example.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Gary, I believe the stem has a 1.0mm thread, but if you are planning to replace the crown you might have something to measure the stem with also?

[@OffGridInvestor]

FYI there's a FEW gold plated russian ones, not many though. And they tend to be TEN carat... instead of the 9ct we're used to in the west. But on the inside of the back cover they'll often say the micron thickness of the gold.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks for that tidbit!

[@itzhaccroitoru4082]

Nice job and clearly explained,I have a watch for blind people,I don't know how to set the time ?

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello Itzhac, thanks for watching and for your comment! What kind of watch do you have then? Most Braille watches I have seen are only different in the dial and hands, having an open dial for blind people to touch.

[@bojidarvasilev8854]

it is definitely no longer a Russian watch. Good job 👍👍

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks Bojidar!

[@OffGridInvestor]

I'm into the russian stuff quite a bit. Particularly the commemorative watches, Olympics, WW2, and I love some of the dial colours. Absolutely brilliant with the colours. Got a bunch coming from numerous sources mainly in Ukraine.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Very cool. They cater to a different design preference but the watches are maybe the best value for money you can get.

[@francispalmer9737]

I recon this watch owner must have dropped this watch in the chip fryer as he was making his dinner. Cheers

[@VintageWatchServices]

😂 That would explain the ketchup stains on the strap!

[@DaveMGmovies]

"My colleague is still working on that Casio." Genius ;-)

[@VintageWatchServices]

No shade on Casio, their $20 watches still run much more accurately than a $20000 mechanical watch 😉

[@DaveMGmovies]

@@VintageWatchServices Fair comment - technology usually wins. Not always with such grace and charm though. Your work allows another generation to enjoy the elegance of clockwork.

[@sanskritmantra1113]

do you think the last watchmaker who worked on this watch thought the4 winding stem was an oil dipstick and just filled to the mark??

[@VintageWatchServices]

😂👍

[@johnutting9615]

When the balance wheel is installed does the balance wheel pin go outside of the palet fork or inside thefork ?

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hello John, you place the balance so that the pallet fork is ready to receive the impulse pin into its horns. Then when you rotate it, the impulse pin will connect properly with the fork. This doesn't always go right, so in some cases I'll gently help the impulse pin over the fork on the other side with the tweezers.

[@samnova450]

Wow that a bunch of oil. 🛢️🛢️. Interesting history..

[@SideWalkAstronomyNetherlands]

Was that a Sardine I saw swimming in that barrol?

[@VintageWatchServices]

The one next to the baby shark?

[@SideWalkAstronomyNetherlands]

@@VintageWatchServices sardines always come with oil :)

[@magintysmaw]

First class. Thank you

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks for watching! More to come, so stay tuned :)

[@ianconcilio]

I think the watch started working because the oil had formed a pressurized seal that slowed the balance wheel - when you released it, the movement worked...just a thought...

[@VintageWatchServices]

Hi Ian, thanks for watching and for your comment! The watch started running after I took the strap off, so I suspect the balance wheel got enough of a jolt to start oscillating. Quite impressive actually, considering the volume of oil it had to drag the wheel train through to make the watch run...

[@Lunalysis]

Do Russian watches come with a dipstick?

[@VintageWatchServices]

😂

[@ttjoseph1]

I have a Pobeda ZIM2602 that must have passed through the hands of the same watchmaker…absolutely drowning in that greenish oil. I’m guessing this was shipped to you from Poland

[@VintageWatchServices]

I believe it actually was! Maybe they went to the same watchmaking school 😂

[@rkegs]

all of that oil might have preserved it, great job as usual

[@VintageWatchServices]

It definitely prevented rust! 😂

[@amandagelien9612]

AT least ,it is not rusty !!!!!!!

[@VintageWatchServices]

😁👍

[@OffGridInvestor]

I noticed as I look at russian ones to buy, it's VERY common to either have no seconds hand or the little one on it's own above the 6.

[@VintageWatchServices]

I honestly wouldn't know, but would think it follows the trajectory of western watches in that swee seconds hands became the most common ones in the 1950's, perhaps a decade later in the USSR, while you will always also have a market for watches with small seconds.

[@paulsteele6120]

In the shipping industry oil filled gauges especially those subjected to high amplitude vibration are common. However, some years ago I remember it was quite the fad to have oil filled watches these must have escapements effected by the damping effect of the oil. How where they compensated to run true?

[@corneliobouis4305]

That only works on quartz or digital watches not mechanical.

[@johnr1350]

Sin has a few. Their UX is a quartz oil filled diver that is rated to 5000 meters.

[@VintageWatchServices]

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[@5naxalotl]

first video i saw someone use epilam. i don't get why more people don't, since it's so useful keeping oil where it's supposed to be

[@tesseract2365]

I see you clean the pivots with a pin vice and something in the end, is it pith wood? Lol you literally answered this question right after I typed it

[@VintageWatchServices]

😂

[@davidlondon5241]

Interesting watch oiled by dip method , great narrative thanks. Also I missed what the item you used to clean the pivots thank you

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Hello David, it is a product called Eveflex. They come in several grits and I typically use the very fine one.

[@valerystpnv1180]

Good pronunciation:)

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Thanks! 😃

[@tommyvictorbuch6960]

This reminds me of W. C. Fields, who hated his nephew, since he dropped his pocked watch in syrup.

[@Valery9128]

You know, the watch movement was conserved. Otherwise, you would not be able to get it in good shape. In your case, you just needed to clean it of oil and it work. By the way, I live in Samara, the city where this watch was made)))

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[@johnutting9615]

Well it was never going to get rusty !!

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😂 Got that right!

[@TheD777777]

well, at least it was not rusty :)

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[@roopakvaidya1450]

Someone may have soaked the movement in oil to preserve it until such time as it could be properly serviced.

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From a Russian commenter I heard that it was pretty common to have a "watch repairer" simply dunk the movement in oil and charge a couple of rubles for it.. certainly keeps the rust away!

[@michaelpage2151]

Hi. Love your videos.Howmany languages do you speak?

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Hi Michael, thanks a lot! A bit depending on how belevolently one counts I speak maybe five or seven languages to a varying level of fluency. Nowadays I'm not even sure my Norwegian is any good, having lived abroad for 20 years 😄

[@alanmckinnon6791]

It was made from '45 to the 80's and maybe even 2000? So it's the VW Beetle of watches then! I can see why it lasted so long - nothing in it can break! Gotta love the Soviets

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Thanks so much for your comment, Alan! It's indeed very comparable to the Beetle, which was commissioned by Hitler to be a cheap, reliable car for everyone. The formal name of the Beetle in German, Volkswagen, literally means "people's car". Great observation!

[@jakekaywell5972]

While Pobeda watches themselves petered out by the 80s, ZIM carried on making watches with the same 2602 movement until 2006. Amazing you could buy a new watch with a caliber from 1950 that recently.

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Thanks for the insight, Jake, much appreciated! It is indeed pretty crazy, but it's probably also testament to the fabulous reliability of this movement. Would you know the prices of those recent ZIM watches? I would assume they would rival quartz watches?

[@jakekaywell5972]

@@VintageWatchServices It is a testament to the quality and simplicity of the 2602, which itself is a modified version of the LIP R-26 from 1908. A Breguet hairspring, perlage, and Geneva striping were the original modifications, but only the Breguet harispring was retained throughout. The Soviet Union's consumer goods often get a lot of flack because they're made in the USSR, but the reality is they stacked up well to anything else the rest of the world made. Soviet watches are proof of this, as everything from the everyman Pobeda and ZIM to the luxurious Poljot and Luch were of sound design and of at least decent build quality. Post-Soviet ZIM watches are a lot harder to find than their Soviet counterparts, but when you do find one, expect to pay no more than $30 for a working one. Broken ones would obviously be less.

[@gast9374]

Next a Ruhla-Watch, please! 😎

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[@gast9374]

@@VintageWatchServices Cool, thanks for the hint.

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[@rashidamin7241]

Thank you sir 💖💖 amazing

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Most welcome, Rashid, thanks for your comment!

[@jurivlk5433]

This kind of dial is called "cartouches" and used f.ex. on Neuchâtel Pendulum clocks.

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Yep, a lot of the Soviet style watches have some variation of cartouche dials, but they are quite distinctively Soviet still, imo.

[@aib0160]

The dial looks more like a clock than a watch. At least there was never going to be any rust inside the movement. This was a bit like a service on a car which is mostly about changing the oil.

[@VintageWatchServices]

Thanks for watching and for your comment! The style of this dial is quite typical Russian and it does indeed look like a clock dial. Tastes are just different around the world, I suppose :) And there wasn't much chance of rust in this one for sure 😂

[@itzhaccroitoru4082]

It is a Tavannese Watch Co-Swiss-U.S.Patent. 24 May 1904 #13503037,It woreks well.Iwill clean it up. Why i'm new in this hobby,I'm still scared to such a watch.Thanks for the immediate answer.

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[@eduardoperez7797]

He said we struck oil 😂 lol good one that was like $60 bucks of Moebius

[@user-w00d]

2 Московский часовой завод, потом Слава. А нет, это ЗиМ, завод имени Масленникова, г. Самара. 11707 это не калибр!!! 2602 калибр

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Thanks for contributing your knowledge!

[@mickeyx6746]

Hahahahahaha!!! The reference to the insane Covid-hoarding of toilette paper was excellent! Mindlessness and hysteria, hallmarks of humanity, rather sadly so....

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Indeed, we are after all only dumb animals sometimes capable of intelligent thought... 😁

[@jacobgreenmanedlion1863]

Actually, early production pobedas were beautifully finished and decorated.

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Hello Jacob, thanks for sharing that! I don't know the Pobeda's too much, but the ones I've seen have that distinctive Russian/Soviet style. Were the movements also nicely finished? I've seen a couple that were let's say Seiko level.

[@jacobgreenmanedlion1863]

@@VintageWatchServices I have a Pobeda from 1952 manufactured in the First Moscow Watch Factory. It uses the same LIP derived caliber. It has a bi-metallic balance, a breguet overcoil, and very impressive finish and decoration. The movement has Geneva-type striping very finely applied on the main surfaces of the plates with fine pearlage applied elsewhere, on both the front and dial-side of the movement.. The sides of the plates have rounded, highly polished edges. Under a 10x I could find no flaws in the finishing. It is a Soviet-market watch with a sub-seconds, and not a gold one or something like that. I would guess the finish on the movement would not quite rate a Geneva seal, but would rate comparison with movements that do without embarrassment (it does so against what I could see-I’m not enough of a watchmaker to risk disassembly of them- on my 1940s Patek tank and my 1956 Vacheron 6115). I have a variety of Soviet watches- when I was younger and poorer they were the main focus of my watch collecting (and really remain so)- using the Pobeda’s movement in both sub-second and center-second form- even hacking. Some are finished fairly well- comfortably exceeding Seiko and even contemporary low-mid Swiss brands such as Tissot (as opposed to something using, say, the EB8800). Some could be best described as “not finished” in the sense of almost “not completed”. The 1MWF I described above is by far the best. 1MWF (Poljot) and the Factory eventually known as Raketa produced the best; finish generally declined as time went on, and the superior factories designed superior movements. The case design, bescheißen finish, face style, and the presence of shock resistance on that watch make me think it was probably made in the ZIM factory, and way later then your guess of the 1950s- i’d think more like mid-70s. ZIM produced LIP K26-type movements past the fall of the Soviet and Into the 21st century under the Pobeda brand. The end of their production was one of the few positive things that came out of the collapse of the Russian watch industry in the mid 2000s that left only Vostok and a reincarnation of raketa standing, but cost us several interesting companies like Poljot, Moljnia, Chaika, and Slava. I miss their double-barrel autos in particular.

[@LCMNUNES1962]

VERY GOOD JOB from Brasil ok

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Thanks, Kleytons!

[@peterhawley6273]

Good video 👍

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Thanks Peter!

[@slim2429]

What did you use to polish the gold plating?

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Hi Slim, I used silver polish. It removes oxidation spots and brings the lustre out without removing material, asI suspect the gold plating on this watch to be very thin.

[@dodgydruid]

Thing to remember, the Soviet citizen's life was hugely regulated by the party, it became a bone of contention that anything Soviet made was the best even when it was broken or poorly made because criticising Soviet made goods could get you an invite to one of Russia's more select establishments for a serious word about western capitalist saboteurs. Watches were not exempt from this, you could buy only what your "station" afforded you to buy and it had to last you a lifetime and they were watching too, if suddenly you got yourself a brand new gold Raketa or Chaika Stadium whilst working down the ball bearing factory, a couple of low brimmed hat wearing gents would pay you a visit to explain your new found exuberance and of course that invitation to a select establishment in the wilds of Siberia for a jolly holiday with full bed and board, the very best gruel and lots of interesting times with the tall men with keys. Pobeda, because of its link to Stalin had to be better than the rest otherwise those dark chaps in long overcoats would turn up unexpected for a chat with the managers etc and the offer of free holidays in Siberia if they didn't up their game. Owning a foreign watch too was a big no no, OK the top elite all wore super capitalist western watches but they had to under duress, to show the brave patriots what not to wear and own, it was a burden the top elite bore well, after all they had to search out the capitalist pitfalls the average citizen wasn't wise enough to spot and so they soldiered on with their tailored Italian suits, swiss watches, handmade Italian shoes and no doubt they hated every minute of it... :P

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Indeed, everyone was equal, some were just a bit more equal than others :) I remember visiting East Berlin in the 1980's and it was quite bizarre. Probably quite similar to the USSR, I'd imagine. Thanks for your insights!

[@beyondmiddleagedman7240]

I've never understood decorating the inside of a watch. No one but watchmakers see it. I've got no idea what the insides of my Omega's and GP's look like. Now, my Elgin pocket watch is a different story. I've seen the inside of it.

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It is something that originated back in the pocket watch days when the movements were actually visible or could be viewed with little effort. It also depends what one means by finishing; the metal parts cannot simply be machined and then placed in the watch, that would make small metal particles (burrs) liable to coming off and damaging the movement later. Further, a rough surface would make other particles and debris stick to the surface and thereby catch dirt and dust. So a certain level of finishing is needed as a minimum, and when the movement could be seen, the makers decided to make it a sales point to have beautiful looking movements.

[@ditzydoo4378]

Interesting modified copy of a French movement... how many jewels are used in it??? As opposed to how many should have been in it???

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Hello DitzyDoo, thanks for watching and for your question! Many movements come with various numbers of jewels, and the base version of this movement would have 15 jewels, like this watch has. There were some versions with 17 jewels with end stones for the escape wheel and there were later models with shock protection on the balance wheel. You will find all these types in various Soviet watches.

[@ditzydoo4378]

@@VintageWatchServices thank you for responding with such a wonderful amount of new knowledge for me... ^~^

[@franka9760]

The guy on Chronoglide is all about himself. Plus his English is pretty weak. So please keep posting your work as often as you can. It is very much appreciated!

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Hi Frank, no worries, I will keep posting until I die at the bench 😉

[@colonialclive]

There’s more oil in that watch than I cook my bacon in!

[@seonaelizabethcoster8465]

Did they try to deep fry this watch? I've seen less oil in my local fish and chip shop!😳

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😂 That might very well be! Apparently it was sort of common for a watch "repairer" to just dip the watch in oil and charge a couple of rubles for it. That's a couple of rubles too much if you ask me :)