Front Mount or Top Mount Intercooler??

[@JustcallmeGnarly22]

The front mount is also a good way to prolong the life of the motor and turbo itself. The biggest enemy of any engine, especially one that's boosted is heat. While a top mount is better than no intercooler at all. Like you pointed out it's still a producer of heat because of where it sits on top of the motor.

[@Bc-um9qx]

Eric G 2 words water meth

[@S2XCREW]

Great Video thanks. Not too many video that talk about the differences so thanks.

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

Eric Gonzalez welcome man! I tried to put some different content in the videos, as to not copy others.

[@edennard1]

I said that I wouldn’t go back to a TMIC but after having to change out the core 1 time and always having to adjust for boost leaks I went back to a ETS TMIC and it works really well it does get the proverbial heatsoak but not nearly as much as the stock TMIC..The ETS TMIC is head and shoulders above the stock TMIC plus I’m running a CS CST4 Turbo and the spool is instant..as for me I don’t miss my FMIC at all.

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

After many “revisions” i see the value in just going upgraded top mount lol. So much easier overall, and the cons compared to the FmIC are minimal at that

[@jb6574]

If youre running the stock turbo or slightly bigger turbo like the cs4 then turbo lag wont be noticeable between top mount and front mount. If tuned correctly, it's hardly noticeable..this i was told from a reputable tuner for this platform

[@EvlEgle]

I had nightmares out of the front mount on my dsm. A/C Wouldn't cool near as well, it over heated at highway speeds. Lag was noticeably increased.

[@jb6574]

If tuned correctly you should not experience that much lag...this was told to me by one of the reputable tuners for this platform

[@EvlEgle]

@@jb6574 Ahh yeah I was unaware you could defeat the laws of physics and bend space-time with a tune.

[@jb6574]

@@EvlEgle if youre running stock turbo then yeah you can..obviously not with a big turbo set up.

[@jb6574]

@@EvlEgle go ask Will at pd tuning if you think im crazy lol

[@grimlinms3614]

Your radiator is heatsoaking from your intercooler garruntee think about gutting the smile not the smile itself but the crashbar Styrofoam and cover plastic it will open up the corners of the smile letting extra air push around the intercooler into the radiator worked great for me

[@grimlinms3614]

I'm top mount just letting you know and I'm not saying your wrong or anything but it's something to think about it helps slot and doesn't make any noise or anything

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

GRIMLIN MS3 thanks for the info man! I’ll have to look into, but i think I’m gonna keep the smile for a while as it’s sleeper. You can barely see the intercooler from the outside. My coolants temps are fine. It’s just when i sit in traffic lol

[@twinklinglicin]

con 4 for FMIC...cost. replacement TMIC is like ~$500. FMIC is ~$1000. those prices could vary depending on manufacturer (like...cobb vs ebay). but cost is still an issue.

[@twinklinglicin]

"packing some heat". pun? :)

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

twinklinglicin good comment! Depending on the brand you are right. Replacement couplers and piping for the fmic is way more costly then some boost tubes for the tmic. But that being said i got my whole kit fmic for $250 which was a steal.

[@dacasa1379]

Thanks man! I'm looking to swap mine since I need to do some repairs underneath it anyway. I appreciate the video! Doesn't help me decide, but at least it was some good stuff to think about!

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

Big Skezy anytime my dude, i like helping

[@chadkirk2977]

I never thought about the no lag thing. that's interesting

[@juice610]

If you front mount aren't your blocking air flow to the radiator?

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

Geronimo Jr all gtis and new civics come with a fmic from the factory. Air still get to the radiator, if you car is over heating it’s from another problem haha. I have had my fmic for 3 years now and haven’t run into an cooling issues, radiator related

[@hardenlaird3344]

NewOrleansSpeed wrong I have a tr8 on my speed 6 and I am having serious coolant issues after cruising for a while I’m at 208 do a 1-4 gear pulls and I’m at 230. Swapped the stock tmic on and bam don’t see anything higher then 187 no matter how hard I drive

[@juice610]

@@hardenlaird3344 interesting. Thanks

[@F0untain]

Thanks for this vid. I'm tired of stressing over BATs with my CS TMIC. Works well on the highway but in most other conditions in my hot climate it heatsoaks like a mofo and that can't be good for engine/turbo health in the long term, IMO.

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

F0untain that is exactly how I felt! That’s why i went for the change. The car just felt so dead in the heat unless it was on the highway. The fmic is much better in the heat staying pretty close to ambient during pulls. But if you live in the south, like me, it’s hard to get cold air in the summer lol

[@juice610]

I have really hot summers here but freezing winters. I'm wondering if a front mount would make sense. I do baby my car in the hot months though

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

Geronimo Jr i would just get a top mount then, it’s easy to do and the benefits are immediate and noticeable. I would consider doing an egr and/or coolant bypass mod as well, as that will help with keeping the car cool in the summer months. Especially if you are in traffic and the car idles a lot.

[@juice610]

@@NewOrleansSpeed awesome thanks

[@speed3paco324]

Just ordered this kit aswell, i mostly got it because i want to prevent heat soak this summer! Any thing i should look out for when installing? Other than a really tight fit? TIA

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

Speed3 Paco did you get a different core? When it come to installing it makes sure there’s a buffer between your pipe and your ac line. I had a hole in an ac due to contact with intercooler piping. You also need to shave the sides of radiator support. It helps free up space because otherwise it’s a super tight fit with some rubbing.

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

Use hairspray on the couplers. It helps the couplers stick to the pipe, making a better seal

[@speed3paco324]

No I’m going to be ordering a tr8 in a couple of paychecks. Is that what your running ? Also by buffer you mean what exactly ? Sorry man Im new to this

[@bravalin8872]

What about larger tmic with WMI lower the bats further after the tmic.

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

BryanG760 great option, but i was just talking about just buying a whole new unit, but ya large Top Mount with meth is a great idea. Have a buddy making over 400whp with his 2012 with a bnrs4 w a top mount and meth.

[@bravalin8872]

@@NewOrleansSpeed I really think it's the way to go if aren't a fan of lag.

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

BryanG760 you have a tank in the back for the mixture?

[@bravalin8872]

@@NewOrleansSpeed still havent decided where I want to put it. If i want a 5 gallon tank it would have to be in the back.

[@Xlorntabis]

I was going to do TMIC to my gen1 mainly do to costs but seeing the CX kit is going for $493 you have me tempted now. If you still have the car was curious How has it held up? Still would recommend CX Racing? Thanks man.

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

The kit has held up well! Had it for a few years now and have run across a few issues. You need to make sure the piping does not touch your AC line! Costed me $80 for a new AC line and $80 for a ac refill. I also bought two, slightly longer 90 degree silicone couplers since it was such a tight fit around the radiator support. Make sure you get brackets, and don’t use the CX racing bov

[@Xlorntabis]

@@NewOrleansSpeed Good tips, much appreciated. Do you happen to have the source of the couplers that you went with? I briefly watched Randy @ Five and Five Garage and I think he mentioned about doing some sort of insulating wrap around that AC area but will keep it on my protips -todo list. =D I have a Gen1 and while I am looking forward to the project about as much as cleaning the valves and doing the injector seals, but I think the effort will be worth it in the end. lol

[@FusterIsBased]

One thing I noticed you didn't talk about was how much surface area of both FMIC and TMIC setup is actually getting air. A top mount usually has air hitting the entire surface area of the intercooler and front mount's don't unless you're driving around with no bumper.

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

true

[@FusterIsBased]

also might I suggest throwing up the pros/cons on the screen as text?

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

Fuster damn dude that's a good one too!

[@marcotruitt19]

Most people with speed 3’s I think, get rid of the front grill to get max air flow....I think

[@kwbalance108]

In most cases, someone can just get the GV grille and a smaller crash bar. Plenty of air.

[@jbaguam80]

Great video!! I have an 08 MS3 pretty much stock, although I'd like to replace the TMIC but with the CorkSports TMIC. Any thoughts on this ?

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

j agustin Good idea! If you replace it, plan on swapping the boost tubes as well, if the CS Kit doesn’t come with them. Do you live in a hot climate area?

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

j agustin appreciate the nice comment, thanks man!

[@alejandragalvan587]

May sound dumb but once you have a front mount intercooler do you have to delete your ac?

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

Alejandra Galvan no lol, but that being said i busted my ac line and had to get it replaced. Luckily you can buy a different hot side setup to circumvent the ac lines. It’s like $200 but worth it IMO. I’ll be getting one asap

[@Victic005]

I DIDN'T KNEW ABOUT THE EXTRA TURBO LAG. I AM THINKING ABOUT GETTING THE COBB FMIC.

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

Quang Lam it’s minimal lag as the turbo is tiny, but it is something to be mindful of. Also screw Cobb. I’d go treadstone. Get the cxracing piping with the tr8 core. Cheaper and better!

[@Victic005]

NewOrleansSpeed where do I get these? eBay? Send link if you have it. Thanks.

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

Quang Lam www.treadstoneperformance.com/product.phtml?p=90636&cat_key=658&prodname=Mazdaspeed+3+2010%2B+Intercooler+Kit www.therpmstore.com/store/p/904-CX-Racing-FMIC-Piping-for-Mazdaspeed-6.html www.therpmstore.com/store/p/890-Treadstone-TR8-Intercooler.html

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

1st link is the full intercooler kit, 2nd is the cxracing piping separate, and the 3rd is the tr8 intercooler core separate

[@Victic005]

NewOrleansSpeed so, I can buy the piping separate and the Core separate, and it will make a complete kit, from the second and third links? That’s all I need?

[@Bc-um9qx]

Just add meth boom save money increase hp clean valves cool the engine turbo lag means your cars slower I call bs on adding power with no tune

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

Brad Elliott meth is good too! But I wouldn’t know as I don’t have it lol, but I’ve heard it’s great for temps and carbon. And it’s very easy to get gains without a tune on these cars, granted a tune makes a whole world difference, but a full intake and downpipe makes a noticeable difference too. I remember adding my full intake on my otherwise stock car and it felt way quicker, but i didn’t dyno it so idk

[@Bc-um9qx]

Well ya you will get gains I wanna clarify that your going to end up zzb with no tune and a down pipe and a intake because your going to be flowing more are without more fuel

[@ras4782]

What you mean about lag

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

ras 47 air flows quicker through a top mount due to the path the air must take. In a front mount the length of the pipe is 3 to 4x that of a top mount. That added distance takes more time for it to travel causing slight lag as opposed to the top mount.

[@Bc-um9qx]

Con number 10 expensive 😂

[@Bc-um9qx]

W2a is better anyway

[@aywhatsgood8780]

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[@NewOrleansSpeed]

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[@aywhatsgood8780]

Lol I'll shit on you

[@NewOrleansSpeed]

clash king not to be mean but who are you??

[@aywhatsgood8780]

@@NewOrleansSpeed idk