Fudging a Title

The plaintiff put down a deposit for an RV the defendant was selling. He claims the title to the vehicle was forged, so he backed out of the deal. He wants his deposit back, so he’s suing. The defendant says he was selling his daughter’s RV and he never forged anything
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[@NubianP6]

The defendant went above and beyond for the plaintiff, and that’s something we don’t see very often.

[@Everykneebows]

Never see that

[@sonquatsch8585]

@@Everykneebows esp. from whyte 2 black.

[@marleonetti7]

because he thought he had a sucker that would pay 18k for a RV only worth 10k at the most . nobody that knows anything about RVs is gonna pay more than 10 k for a 20 year old used RV .

[@MH-yj5ed]

​@@sonquatsch8585 FFS here we go

[@truthseeker7703]

​@MH-yj5ed FGS I will never understand how you guys don't understand that racism isbreal! Even if it wasn't the case in this case(😬) It happens every single day I walk out my door! From being followed in a store, to trying to seat ne by the kitchen or bathroom! Checking on every whyte table around me 5 times to my 1...I can go on and on! FOH with your fake, entitled indignation!

[@prettybossy510]

Take him to the DMV...? He wanted a tour guide, a driver, and an instructor

[@righttoouropinionthanks4710]

lol!! Yep!! I agree!

[@lastdays7855]

Sounds like the plaintiff put a deposit down impulsively and later changed his mind. WOW, $8k is a lot of money to lose.

[@talithiamcleod5108]

The defendant is awesome! He was really looking out for this gentleman!

[@johnsradios484]

He changed his mind simple as that!

[@judyelmer2257]

How in the HELL do you know he changed his mind

[@Mewse1203]

​@@judyelmer2257evidence...or lack thereof.

[@Dee-wl8yj]

@@judyelmer2257cos he didn’t pick up

[@madmaxofspokane1691]

The plaintiff is a fool. Now he's out that huge deposit and no camper. Maybe he'll have better luck buying a broken down minivan. He was clearly in over his head.

[@frankgiuliano380]

the old couple just 'chickened out" and then wanted their money back.. what a joke.. the defendant saved it for them.. let this old guy try his games with a RV dealer.

[@houstoncashbuyer5572]

The plaintiff looked for problems that didn’t exist 😂

[@keshiadsmith6400]

$8000 lost!!!! What a shame….I would be pissed with myself for being so stupid 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@christishepherd2676]

It is amazing to see someone finally do things in the right manner. What an honor and a pleasure to watch. Thank you❤

[@themadmillionaire]

I want a neighbor like the defendant! OMG if OVER and BEYOND was a person👩🏿‍⚖️

[@sonquatsch8585]

yes if above and beyond.

[@SpanishRockstar]

The defendant is a great guy!

[@saracsmile]

I agree

[@rockobill7637]

I know, it made me wish I could have some kind of business transaction with him

[@hypemanvibes6961]

I agree he is!

[@user-hu6qo2dj5w]

The defendant was amazing he did everything for plaintiff he a great seller

[@MissStevens1]

Oh pls ge tried to over charge him

[@user-hu6qo2dj5w]

@MissStevens1 you can sell a item for as much as you if plaintiff agreed to price that's on him

[@divifemtv]

Certain types always try to make themselves out to be these great, honest people and the track record shows they are the biggest liars, thieves and crooks on the planet...

[@righttoouropinionthanks4710]

He really did go above & beyond what a lot people wouldn’t do!! Kudos to him for being such a good guy!

[@stephenquesada409]

@@MissStevens1 Ms. Stevens you're right the white give was looking to rip him off and waste his time didn't even care about the man's wheelchair and cane the humbleness of the plaintiff the plaintiff was teaching us a huge lesson on how rude and obnoxious white people can be the nerve to try and sell a used camper to people

[@user-rm1br3sw7x]

I truly believe the plaintiff had serious second thoughts about his ability to handle that RV. You see so many retiress with RVs for sale. It was their dream for their retirement to travel the country, until they have to maneuver it. They have difficulty maneuvering a small sedan, let alone something the size of a schoolbus.

[@sonquatsch8585]

i would never drive/own one, i'd be causing accidents left and right. left and right. never.

[@Sophie-mm7ow]

There really needs to be a special endorsement on the drivers license to be able to drive an RV. Some of these owners have huge RVs with a boat, a vehicle, and anything else that they can attach to it going down the road. A semi is shorter than some of these things, and depending on what is in them and attached to them, they weigh close to the same or more than a loaded semi and trailer. We don't allow Professional Truck Drivers to drive without a CDL, and bus drivers also need special endorsements to drive a school bus. RV owners should be no different, especially since most owners have never driven anything larger than a 4 wheel car or truck. RVs can be and are just as dangerous as any semi in the hands of an untrained driver.

[@user-rm1br3sw7x]

@@Sophie-mm7ow You are correct. Some of the RVs are the size of a commercial bus, which you need a special license to drive. Many are driven by retirees that can't back a small sedan out of a parking spot.

[@gbosearcher-3686]

Yep. My friend and her husband bought a nice RV. They might do 4 trips a year, but there is a monthly payment and insurance. Now after 4 years, trying to sell it

[@jonathanrivera6974]

the defendent is everything you want out of a seller, he really went beyond and the plaintiff didnt hold up his end.

[@syerega]

Camping/RV isn’t the easiest thing for able bodied people. I am sure that his brain talked him out of it. Seems like the defendant was a great guy. I feel bad for both.

[@mountendew]

Defendant seems to be a great guy. Great verdict

[@wrightwilliams105]

The plaintiff either changed his mind and/or didnt have the money

[@BobBlumenfeld]

In my decades-long experience with computers as both a programmer and a user, I've learned that when files being transferred to a machine "disappear," it's usually because they were saved to the wrong folder and the owner doesn't know that. They're probably on his machine somewhere ... assuming he's telling the truth.

[@chrisdoherty6847]

We need more straight forward honest people like the defendant. Great case

[@TanieBaker]

The plaintiff moved way too fast, got scared then tried to back out.

[@sonquatsch8585]

that's all it was.

[@marleonetti7]

or he found out that there were alot of other RVs like that one selling for half the price .

[@Antygrvity69]

@@marleonetti7 : Either way he moved to fast

[@susanstribe4914]

Bingo!

[@lovetocraftlovetocraft241]

As the Judge pointed out, more people want to buy an RV before summer vacations than at the end. Defendant lost out on sales opportunities because he was holding it for the Plaintiff so he sold it at the end at a loss. The Judge was correct in her verdict. Yes, I feel bad for the Defendant, but it was his choice to put all that money down and then back out a couple of months later. Deposits are not refundable under the law per the Judge.

[@amyanndiamond7367]

Omg 😮 imagine being out $8,000 with nothing to show for it 😢 dude really screwed himself

[@JayJay-me8zk]

JM did not ask for proof the defendant sold it for $10K to someone else. Doubt it was coincidence he just happened to sell it for the amount that would allow him to keep the plaintiff's $8K. The defendant seemed to be a very upstanding guy, but that gave me pause. Perhaps he knew he could sell it really quick for $10K and not be out any money since he already had the $8K. Legally, I guess there's nothing wrong if he did that.

[@ebonyreddock3782]

But he could have also hit against the period where everyone started selling the RVs they bought and realized they didn’t want to keep up.

[@JayJay-me8zk]

The plaintiff just had buyers remorse. Maybe the money was a stretch 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@carriegarcia4173]

Racism has nothing to do with this case. The plaintiff was making problems when there were no problems. The dad signed his daughter's name on totle, LEGAL! The dmv the plaintiff never went to dmv so how was that a problem?? The defendant held the rv for over 2 months with their 8k deposit, which is NON-REFUNDABLE. The plaintiff changed his mind so thats on him.

[@sonquatsch8585]

who is claiming racism..? point em out, lemmie hannel it.

[@keekeedavis1704]

It’s not legal tho also how was the plaintiff suppose to know that the daughter actually gave permission for the rv to be sold.??

[@countrymusicandcher8593]

​@@keekeedavis1704 should've thought about that before paying 8k cash lmao 😂

[@MsVirgoBeauty1823]

Who said anything about racism?

[@speakmymind247]

​@@keekeedavis1704 exactly like how does the judge jus believe the defendant with no proof 🤔 there was no written document from the daughter saying the father could sign on her behalf. N he also admitted he signed his ex-wife's name and not the daughters on the form. So to correct it he would have to alter the document by adding the additional name. So isn't that an issue 😕 Bullshit ruling maybe cuz he was a black plaintiff 🤦🏾‍♀️ who knows either way it was a BS ruling

[@nataliemscrzysxycoolharris]

All the Plaintiff had to do was take it to DMV to make sure the title was good. The Defendant coulda charged more for the RV.

[@thehangmansdaughter1120]

The defendant is a great guy! He wanted this to be perfect for them, bent over backwards to help them. THIS is what deposits are for, to protect sellers from nonsense like this. The plaintiffs are deluded, selfish fools.

[@mariannemcgee6262]

Looks like the pastor isn’t honest!!

[@thefonzkiss]

Nothing new there.

[@ajajohnson7984]

lol shocker!

[@Nitty_likes2laugh]

Ouch! 8 G’s of the churches money! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@righttoouropinionthanks4710]

Here’s yet ANOTHER case of “buyer’s remorse”!! No doubt!! But if folks don’t seriously take the time to make 100% certain they really want, need or can even afford a big purchase like this, then it’s on them if they lose $$$ after changing their mind!! 😮

[@thesixxchild7930]

He got to deal with his wife later🤣

[@dethomas385]

The plaintiffs should be ashamed of themselves. Defendant really went above and beyond.

[@1252PFC]

Judge made the right decision

[@isaidwhatisaid2750]

Buyers Remorse gotcha Pops. Call it a day. That 8 grand is gone.

[@aruthlessreview2277]

God damn.. just take the RV Pop's !!!. I feel bad... but his reason for not wanting it was fishy

[@LoayMatar]

The defendant is certainly the type you want to do business with.

[@donaldsmolder7152]

Always write a check not a money order not cash a check always especially for $5000. You may run in this problem if you don’t always write a check always.

[@VengaBusIsComin]

6 minutes in and I'm losing the will to live with the plaintiff

[@mandytoofinep8428]

The plaintiff is ridiculous!!!! The defendant went above and beyond.

[@antoinetteking2072]

I love when litigants mention they were going to church or are apart of a church like that’s supposed to matter in the decision of the outcome. If you were on your way to a Black Mass ceremony instead of a church, you’re still going to get the same ruling

[@marilynjackson3267]

Given the time between the deposit and raising the title issue, I do think it was a case of buyer's remorse. However - the seller says he ended up selling it for $10,000 looking like he sold it at a loss. He was able to sell it at the lower price because he kept the 7000. - the original asking price.

[@HiddenAgendas]

How did he sell it at a loss? Did you watch the damn video? lol

[@MyGoodenessGracious]

It sounds like the man is actually selling the ex wife's camper. Why does he keep saying its my daughter's middle name anyway. It's supposed to be your daughter's name not her mom's. The defendant is lying.

[@jgrosskopf4878]

It's what nice people that value others lives do to make everyone happy. What a nice defendant, it was buyers' remorse.

[@Lyfehurts66]

Sold it for $10,000 can we see proof of this sale sir. hmmmmm....

[@JaiB-xr9fl]

I agree. I don't know why she didn't asks that. He needs to prove that he was out of that money

[@The_Snowowl]

Doesn’t matter, deposit was non refundable.

[@wildcaveman5310]

People went overboard with Covid closures

[@MulerX6885]

Sheesh that’s a lot of money to lose 😮😮😮😮

[@Fleefromsin]

Pride is deaf, it cannot hear rebuke. Pride is blind, it cannot see warning signs. Pride is mute, it cannot speak uplifting words to others. Pride is lame, it cannot walk in the ways of the Lord. Pride hinders the physical and spiritual senses of the body. Rev. Victor Jackson

[@they-live1]

Plaintiff isnt all that bright here. Wasted the defendants time with his irresponsibility

[@frankie1902]

Judge Milian hasn't aged a day

[@thumper6425]

If they don’t have money to buy it then don’t deal with them!

[@jennyvanniekerk9600]

That old man was full of crap

[@peryole]

He was sitting there shaking his head because he knew he was lying. I can't tell you how many times I've signed my parents checks, IT IS NOT A FORGERY, they told me to do it. He rightfully lost his money.

[@RebuildingLifePathway2Righteou]

Plaintiff got scammed. She didn't ask defendant to show proof he sold it for ten thousand...

[@CrunchyGreenWater]

Yeah, I thought of that too. 🤔

[@bjohnson1149]

Bottom line is the plaintiff changed his mind and wanted his money back. He didn't even do his due diligence in making the purchase. He was so unfair to the defendant who went out of his way to please this man.

[@ewilliams340]

I don't know who's shadier, the announcer or Douglas!😂😂😂

[@talexander2302]

Whew that's alot of money to LOOSE...you need to be very sure ...man I hate that for them 7000 just gone😮

[@user-hs1zr6mc5d]

Wow it sucks the plaintiff's lost their money like that. Technically the title is supposed to be signed by the owner. But the defendant although he lied about the price sold for without a doubt but he was acting on behalf of his daughter. Deposits are non refundable unless it's some shady business going on.

[@tiaratauaese6197]

During covid, they closed everything except the water. I'm in the boating industry and trust we were selling boats/pontoons out the ying yang.

[@Cougar4u]

In Michigan they would fine you and then arrest you if a certain number of people were on the water in a pontoon. It was insane.

[@NoName-hs3sf]

During Covid in Michigan we were not permitted to leave our primary residence we couldn’t even go to our vacation homes! I think a lot of states were like this.

[@popeye82]

Everyone just did it anyways

[@prettybossy510]

What a waste... they should have just re sold it. It seemed everything but shady

[@christianakalaitzi1645]

She SO got that one RIGHT!

[@dawn62]

Defendant was awesome

[@arianefr78]

The plaintiff got free lessons on everything about an RV from the defendant, that bent over backwards to make sure the RV was in perfect condition. I never understand why people like the plaintiff don't just go ahead with the purchase and then sell it on themselves, instead of losing out on a deposit, especially when it is such a substantial amount. The plaintiff was an absolute fool...

[@keithkemp3008]

The fool couldn't even still buy it cause he sold it !!!

[@p.o.p2077]

Great call judge

[@Devinerealestate201]

$8000 gone ... thats horrible .

[@ericstewart517]

"Fake" buying something and never picking it up is horrible to

[@trekgirl65]

Plaintiff lied about the pictures from the phone, he erased them.

[@nhutchins100]

So the defendant sold it for $10,000 to someone else, but wanted $18,000 from this guy? Am I the only one that thinks this guy is not on the up & up? Something tells e this defendant just knows how to talk. He took it to get checked because he had a sucker on the line for $18,000 and figured he'd better make sure everythi8ng worked What is $1700 when you are making $6300 more than its worth, afterward? Not buying the nice guy thing.

[@TheYungcurt]

Once the judge seen how stupid her question was she tried to make it the plaintiff problem.

[@popeye82]

Saw or had seen

[@TheYungcurt]

@@popeye82 gtfoh go teach English you batch

[@marycooleytaylor]

I wouldn't buy it with the wrong name on the title. I believe the judge was wrong.

[@ajajohnson7984]

@@marycooleytaylortrue. But the fact he saw the man sign it himself he shouldn’t have had a problem. I say buyers remorse.

[@leofredette19]

Deposits are non-refundable OUCH!!!

[@tjbooker9948]

Impulsive people are difficult people.

[@michaeljones5233]

Think the planting just didn't have the rest of the money in that time frame

[@janicester]

Doesn't matter how old people get they still lie.

[@jerede7731]

He should have just bought the motor home then immediately resold - would have lost a lot less than $8k. Painful lesson.

[@sonquatsch8585]

best in show was absolutely one of the best films...i laughed my eeez off.

[@dianedobson1104]

Wow! So does he lose the whole $7k-8k deposit?

[@danielhurst8863]

Yes. That is the case.

[@kennethsistos323]

Unless stated on the contract or receipt, deposits are not refundable.

[@bethcarico7549]

The seller of the RV ended up selling it for way less because the buyer held up the sale for 2 months. Seasons matter in the RV market. I'm the spring, they're a hot item. End of summer, not so much. I'm the spring people are getting tax refunds, the weather is getting nice and people want to go camping. Not only are deposits non refundable, but the seller also had to sell it a lesser amount because he held it all summer for that guy to back out. His deposit covered the difference in the sale price, too.

[@deenalandstrom6924]

That's messed up. The easiest $8,000 that defendant ever made. I feel so bad for the plaintiff's. The defendant was even selling it for $18,000 & because he already had $8,000 of the plaintiff's money, the defendant ended up selling it to another buyer for $10,000. Defendant made out, if you ask me.

[@user-oe1mb9hu9i]

What is it with people who say "I go to Church" that then expect that everybody should believe them word for word. Maybe this poor gentleman did think there was a problem with the title. Instead of trying to get his money back, he should have asked the DNV. Like the Judge says; it looks too much like a guy who realised the Winnebago is too big for him to drive in his condition and he just wanted to cancel the sale and get his deposit back having stalled the seller all summer and leaving him with an unsold Winnebago on his arms AFTER the holidays ... Couldn't anybody in his Church or community have told him what the judge ruled ? What a waste of time and money.

[@oneguysopinionyup7252]

Hahaha if someone didn't give me my $5000 dollars court or no court lol...IM TAKING IT OUT OF SOMTHONG OR SOMEONE 🤪🙃

[@marysmith6417]

If you sell any vehicle that involves DMV, exchange money at DMV and get out of your name. It's worth the time to do this exchange.

[@teehughey]

Judge's answer to the question at the end, love it. With out people loosing their storage units we wouldn't have all those great shows. My favorite is a KZbin channel called, What The Hales.

[@floydpattersonii4996]

plaintiff - SNL's Garrett Morris

[@pt18777]

I want to buy something from the defendant.

[@TheImm20012001]

The Title had the wrong name on it. Give the man his refund smh Of course the judge side the glassy eyed defendant smh what a joke.

[@shanimorrison8730]

Its not very often a seller goes above and beyond to make sure youre totally happy and thats what happened

[@mysticalmuse333]

Love the defendant!!

[@Mewse1203]

Plaintiff made excuses. They got back from vacation, had rethought it, and came up with a BS reason to try and get out of the deal. It's really suspicious that he neither has any texts of their conversations, nor does he have the supposed evidence of the forged document. And damn, the defendant is a good fucking dude

[@nathanderover6929]

I'm shopping for an RV right now and I would love to find a seller like this guy.

[@nodevoutt]

Yeah the plantiff looks really regretful, he definitely was playing mind games with the seller, im glad he got zero back. Wishy washy ppl suck

[@MsBonitaDinero88]

I’m not sure if the plaintiff actually sold the RV for $10,000 or if he went with that number because …well, Judge Judy would’ve told him that he made more than what he was selling for if he actually sold for more than $10,000 in addition to keeping the deposit…but I could be wrong. I do believe the plaintiff asked if he could come with him to the DMV and he said no because he knew it wasn’t necessary. This was an interesting case.

[@bethcarico7549]

He was selling it originally for $18k. He got an $8k deposit. Held it for 2 months. At the end of summer when he tried selling it again, he only got $10k for it. So the $10k he sold it for plus the $8k deposit, totals his original asking price. He even said he had someone else willing to buy it in early summer for $16k as is. This guy was willing to pay the full $18k asking price. Then backed out. The seller didn't make more than he was originally selling it for.

[@janetta5827]

I agree, I'm suspect that he just so happened to sell it for the amount he knew would allow him to keep the full $8k. Because if he had sold it for more, he would have had to return that overage amount to the plaintiff. I also believe the plaintiff asked him to go to DMV, but he wouldn't. But the plaintiff should have called the DMV and asked how to handle it if the defendant signed on behalf of the daughter.

[@MsBonitaDinero88]

@@janetta5827yes, I agree with you. Those are my thoughts too.

[@JaiB-xr9fl]

The judge should ask for proof of the sale of the RV. For all we know he sold it for 19k. He should also prove that he lost money Not saying that the plaintiffs were right. Just saying that taking the defendant's word for it doesn't make sense

[@MsBonitaDinero88]

⁠@@JaiB-xr9flYes! Those were my thoughts as well. I guess she’d already decided how she’d treat the case so she didn’t want to go down that path--but she definitely should have made him prove how much he sold it for.

[@prettybossy510]

This dude is not a handwriting expert...

[@amandamatheny3675]

judge says the plaintive said the title thing was the next day, but that's not what he said. He said it was the next day after he got back from vacation

[@Irod567]

The plaintiff was clearly suffering from a case of buyer's remorse. He paid the deposit, but after seeing the demonstration and reading the manual, decided that it would be too much for him. Fair verdict.

[@altovisemiller9900]

They wasted the defendant's time.

[@chrisdawson7589]

I'm just starting the show. I read some comments. $8,000 is too much to keep even if the judge says it's legal. Sure, the defendant backed out. And, that cost plantiff some value between end and beginning of camping season.. But, not 8k. Keeping that amount from an older person isn't Christian. 33' is too long. Not so much for the general driving. It's that it's difficult to find places to park that accept over 30'. People have trouble driving in small cars, even. It's a lack of awareness. If you don't realize it yourself, what will it matter if it's a motorhome? Practice of poor driving assures poor driving. I see that almost no drivers drive properly.

[@stardrasmith6654]

Honest guy❤

[@alfreddavis9116]

The plantiff speaks too slow..

[@stratfordbaby]

NOBODY loses all their photos from the phone when transferring to PC. That does not happen. IMPOSSIBLE.

[@POETICMIND2002]

Ouch out 8000😮 thats a nice used car