Full Standard Collection for FREE. How is this possible in Hearthstone? How to get all cards?

[@holomancer3304]

It is possible to collect complete collection of cards in standard mode, but it is incredibly difficult without money! Do you think this is fair?

[@lorenzo7247]

Yes, they need money after all.

[@doppelstarker5915]

Yes, because the majority of players want only 3 fun decks. They don't need all cards. Yes, some cards become good like captain hooktusk. But a huge among will not be great

[@Cuskocuint]

It is "easy" get a job than play the game for resources.

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

Holomancer, I think it's not fair. Since the Play a Friend Quest is the important source of gold and you can not predict the receipt of this quest. Without this source you will not be able to get all the cards from the set (without taking into account the Arena). It seems to me that there should be a system in which everything depends on the efforts of the player, and not on third-party factors. :]

[@tomseiple3280]

If you have the cash flow - spending 50 bucks at the beginning of an expansion is a great option. If you do the math, that's 50 bucks every 4 months, or 41 cents a day. That's cheaper than a daily coffee. It all comes down to the premium one places on their time.

[@nielsgarly6327]

Another danger to consider from doing this, is the mental damage you will experience for playing odd paladin 4.5 hours a day

[@Sidestepleft]

I get erect

[@Jaumcd]

I mean, you could train a monkey to click on everyting on the screen and most likely you would still win

[@gunGrief]

Niels Garly More like the mental damage for your poor opponents haha

[@lukasbaum1493]

so true hahaha

[@rafagargar8341]

We dont talk about big priest, do we?

[@0xmizu]

"The hearthstone mathematics team warns you about dangers of such methods. If you play everyday, you will lose your job eventually and become a streamer." LOOOOOOL @5:42

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

:]

[@frozenstar8050]

Ah, I see you too have basic human capabilities of watching, listening, and reading. It seems we watched the same video. Good.

[@0xmizu]

@@frozenstar8050 I see you're as original as anyone else that tries to say the same shit when someone is enjoying the humor in the video. let me enjoy my own shit man.

[@MYG]

@@frozenstar8050 Gotta get internet points somehow.

[@frozenstar8050]

@@0xmizu savagely obliterated

[@lukasholdt6094]

The quality of these videoes are amazing, thank you for your work

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

Thank you so much! :]

[@emperorcip9756]

"If you play so much every day, it is likely that you will lose your job and become a streamer." Hahahahah!

[@孫子]

What if I'm a student?

[@theneighborskid.]

Chinese Chair you become a NEET streamer as well

[@孫子]

@@theneighborskid. NEET?

[@kennethokubo3435]

Chinese Chair a shut in

[@孫子]

@AquaLion GG LOL

[@__Callum__]

How to save real money whilst playing Hearthstone: Step 1: Uninstall Hearthstone

[@deday6525]

great

[@nathelm8693]

That seems unnecessary.. How you actually save money playing Hearthstone.... *Alt f4* Throw computer into maelstrom.

[@Saoud_Hamza]

8:25 little mistake it's 1700 not 17000

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

You're right. this is my mistake! Sorry

[@duogdudes2114]

@@HearthstoneMathematics 17 packs doesn't give you 17000 dust, not even 1700 dust, because 1 pack is equal to approximately 40 dust because of the 4 common (which can be disenchanted for 5 dust) 4x5=20 + 1 rare which can be disenchanted for 20 dust. 20+20=40 dust per pack. So 17x40=680 dust in the worst case

[@Maria-on5pu]

@@duogdudes2114 Statistic and probability doesn't work in that way. You may get 4 common and a rare, but sometimes you can get golden epics or even golden legendary, which increase the general value of dust per pack

[@bestjobro539]

I have been playing for 3 years and just now i can enjoy my collection

[@bookipzee]

on wild u mean?

[@damienfernando1553]

I started playing when gvg came out and I almost have the whole collection without spending a penny. Granted a took a couple of year long breaks in between from the game

[@deathincarnateatheist7679]

@Damien Fernando. How is that possible? Surely you would have have skipped on expansions if you took ah year old break.

[@ivanpenev8970]

@Avonamsorg That means you don't play much at all. Just by completing the daily quest, you'd have tons of legendaries.

[@niklas8523]

Ivan Penev No for me it is similar, hearthstone constantly tempts you to make stupid disenchantments

[@MayasMotivation]

I think that they need to change the 3 wins/10 gold to 1 win/10 gold. It is already restricted and I don't see why not? Also, maybe add a bonus gold for the First Win of the day kind of reward? There a need to have some sort of a sense of progression in your collection as you play the game. Average 60 gold per days feels really bad. Maybe follow Overwatch level system or MTGA reward system. Overall, the gold system needs an update.

[@erkkasipila]

Atleast they increased the amount of gold from quests. But I agree with you

[@deathincarnateatheist7679]

Yep. I remember the days where you have to literally spent 2 or 3 days if (you’re unlucky) just to open a pack because of the 40 gold quests (only applies if you don’t play the game excessively).

[@bossle6834]

20 gold for every tree wins would be nice because it rewards people who actually play, increasing the gold for quests would make people just play the quest and turn HS off

[@trueblue2774]

"But, money!" - Blizzard

[@Protolyse0159]

i habe a question ...pls look @8:20 why is 17 ×100= 17000 and not 1700 dust?

[@davejansn3803]

QuasarDionysos 0 they just tiped it wrong. They say „17-hundret“ at 08:20 and again @09:40 in the right context

[@RobertStineIsTheBest]

such an awesome work you've done here. i'm truly amazed. love this channel

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

Thanks:]

[@Scarifar1]

This time I’ve bought the $80 pre order for Saviors of Uldum, only because Elise seemed like a cool hero to get. All the others I’ve only bought $50 pre orders. No intention to spend any more money on HS otherwise.

[@munsturCS]

I might be a living example.I dont quite have the full collection since the new cards were added,but i haven't invested anything,which i think kinda quallifies me.It's been a while but i managed to get it through achieving rank 5+every month,finishing all quests and playing arena to an expert level(as of the last few months with a 7.2 avg).Hope this contribues somehow,if not then it's been a total brag.Thanks for the content boys.

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

Thank you so much! :]

[@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa]

#NeverDustedACard Master Race Fear my 357 Leper Gnomes, 13 of which are golden!

[@SaladDongs]

What is wrong with you?

[@ARCANEOS51OX]

I'll sit here with my 4 guaranteed golden legendarys in dust for the next expansion, so enjoy ya 353 cards you will never use xD

[@ReTurtle]

@@SaladDongs woosh

[@SaladDongs]

@@ReTurtle oh shit I got r/wooshed that's so cringe I'm gonna lose so much karma T//w//T please don't put me in your cringe compilation

[@bossle6834]

@@ReTurtle what a retarded comment

[@aleksakedzic8154]

Such an incredible passion and paying attention to every detail, great job!

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

Thank you very much. I'm very flattered :]

[@ashugart]

It took me about 4 years to get a good enough collection to get to legend (also playing odd paladin helped). Once you get all the classic cards you only need to keep up to date with the newest expansion and you only need a couple of those cards for whatever are the tier one decks.

[@extramilk3255]

This is like a job, u might aswell get a real job and buy the packs instead of this method.

[@Knokkelman]

THIS I just buy the preorder package and play for, you know, fun instead of "profit"

[@TheZackofSpades]

Just because it’s possible doesn’t mean it’s fun.

[@golternator333]

Yes, exactly. Being a f2player, grinding games you don't wanna play, is stupid, if you just have a little bit of real money.

[@nathelm8693]

As someone pointed out in the comments up above. Purchasing 50 packs at the start of an expansion actually only costs around ~50 cents a day. Hold the large coffee, get a small one instead and piggy bank that extra fiddy.

[@Okkebeltman]

Old video, I know, but should become quite a bit easier now. They will implement a : if you have two copies of a card it wont come out of a pack before you collect all of them thing, so getting duplicates should be quite a bit less common

[@lordosis5650]

"You will lose your job and become a streamer!" That has me dying, lol.

[@kristiansantosa2997]

Thank you for the effort put into this video. So I guess the Firebat was right. Someone asked him what is the fastest way to get a full collection and he said "get a job". I would rather spend few hundreds $ rather than 'wasting' my time playing HS as my 'second job'. The payout for such effort is atrocious, it is way less than the minimum wages. Wanna get a full collection? Get a job OR Make a lot of friends Now I see HS is trying to do good for our society lol

[@prayinghermit]

Your videos are truly AMAZING! Thank you for your work! Can we see some more theories based on what we've seen in trailer or it's too late? And also a small question: if I want to work with you, is it possible and where should I write?

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

Thank you! You can always write me a letter. Here is my address - [e-mail] Murloc-postman brings me a letters several times a week. I will give you an answer as soon as... I have time. :]

[@jhopkins1515]

I remember that only twice I have hit the hundred gold limit in a day both times I was grinding to hit Legend before the end of the month

[@Lock2002ful]

same

[@DisturbedNeo]

4000 gold from the friend quest, in other words 40 packs, which is worth $50 according to Blizzard. So you can spend $50 on packs for expansion, play Hearthstone for a stupid number of hours every day, win the maximum 100 gold, complete every daily quest, participate in every event and tavern brawl and obtain every reward it’s possible to obtain...... And all of that STILL doesn’t guarantee you’ll be able to complete a standard collection at any one time, let alone ever getting any wild cards. I’m sorry, but that’s beyond ridiculous.

[@bossle6834]

Buying the pre order is more cost effective tho and you have to remember there are a lot of useless cards in each expansion so getting all the ones you actually want is not impossibly hard

[@TheSquareOnes]

@@bossle6834 This, especially when you consider that the most expensive part of each set are the epics and many of those end up being super niche or just generally janky and not something most people would ever really use unless they were just curious or messing around. Like just looking at the last set, do you really need Mogu Cultist, Mischief Maker, Body Wrapper, Desert Obelisk, Puzzle Box, Micro Mummy, Plague of Death, Splitting Axe or Bloodsworn Mercenary? Many people would probably be happy skipping even more of them than that but even before doing so you're already saving on 18 epics which means 7,200 dust subtracted from the figure in the video (not to mention the dust gained from disenchanting any of those you might open along the way). I used to spend more on the game but I've switched to doing just the $80 preorder and the discount bundles they do periodically and haven't really noticed an issue in terms of not being able to play any given deck that seems interesting, Honestly the $50 preorder would probably get you nearly as far too, I'm just a sucker for exclusive aesthetic items that I'll never ever use. So obviously not even a remotely F2P experience but for the "paying player" approach I've found that it can actually be very reasonable to keep up. $80 or so every expansion is waaay cheaper than physical CCGs and even for the pure videogamer crowd that's like buying a big budget game every four months, except that instead of never playing them when you're done the content just keeps piling up into one ever-growing game. Considering how many $60 games I've only played for a few hours before forgetting about or how overstuffed my steam account (I swear there are games in there I've somehow never heard of every time I scroll through for something to play) is it's really not that hard to justify continuing to buy into this game. Financially anyway, in terms of balance it's clearly been careening off a cliff for the past two years and could stop being a worthwhile game literally any day now.

[@lucasfonteles6619]

It's better open packs and choose the best deck to play and have fun, why do i 'll' craft all cards from new expansion? Only 1/3 really be used not all of it...

[@SaladDongs]

this is not what this video is about. You don't need all standard cards to play and have fun. This is just in theory.

[@lucasfonteles6619]

​ Salad Dongs Yeah I get it... Just exposing my opinion. But this video shows how impossible is to complete all set of expasion cards for f2p players, even the streamers don't spend that time, they pay or earn the packs from blizzard for entertainment content.

[@akgh98]

I have 6 account I started 5 of them a year ago one class each and a 3 year account for the remaining 4 classes. That a the true free player way.

[@marioflores3275]

I can't imagine that this is an efficient way of playing? I feel like you would have had more cards in total if you stuck to one account

[@KnownAsKenji]

I don't have Facebook/Twitter but I hope this reaches you. Please PLEASE do a statistics video on the current Burndown Brawl, if you can. After it finishes, of course. Blizz is likely to release some statistics but if the unofficial sites you guys use for reference put out any data, I would love to watch you guys summarize it.

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

Hi, we hear you. :] Unfortunately, we are almost sure that we will not have time for this. But if interesting statistics falls into our hands, we will use it. :]

[@deday6525]

2:16 thats wrong, on average a pack we can disenchant for an average of 40 dust. not 100 dust.

[@ziljin]

I was watching another video from last year. Apparently it's on average 100 dust but only when you take into account all of the pity timers for guaranteed epics and legendaries. It might be less now if they changed the pity timers.

[@deday6525]

@@ziljin is there a pity timer for guaranteed epics???

[@ziljin]

@@deday6525 I read it's 40 for legendary. Maybe 10 or 20 for epics

[@bogdanpopescu5533]

Love this kind of videos. Keep this going guys, we like numbers.

[@piotrtw5]

Could you compare those statistics to playing Arena only? How much time would it take with Arena rewards at different average wins?

[@good_rum4185]

Blizzard doesn't give very many rewards or much gold at all, I personally like the way MTG Arena does the whole quest reward thing. I can play any deck I want and all I have to do is win a few times and I'll get a sizeable amount of gold and some cards

[@AnnoLP]

I prepurchased every expansion since i startet( Goblins vs gnomes). This time i dont purchase. The game got to expensive, and we do get less free stuff. I dont want to support that. But i think i will buy the solo adventure, that was great last expansion and deserves support.

[@TKizaru]

nothing is impossible...... with the power of friendship

[@garr7329]

What editing software do you use? How long does one video take? Is it hard to animate like that? Want to get bigger at KZbin and I also want to get a job that is about editing in the future. Thanks for the help :)

[@chinyang1200]

Warding this comment cause ... I also want to know.How to edit cause yknow thinking of starting a channel

[@garr7329]

@@chinyang1200 go for it! I am doing that rn too. Just experimenting with Hearthstone.

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

The technical part of the video takes several days (3-5 days). I spend a lot of time on statistics and script. I work every day for 10-14 hours. In general, the work on one video takes from 7 to 14 days. I use the Adobe software package. I really like to do this show, but it's very hard to work without days off. I'm probably lucky that I am a bot. Good luck to you! :]

[@chinyang1200]

@@garr7329 actually I still don't know how to do it and haven't even started yet so yknow still . Gotta love Card games ... probably have a gambling addiction... by that I mean I tend to use a lot of RNG cards like in Yu-gi-Oh Duel Links Graceful Dice and Skull dice

[@garr7329]

@@HearthstoneMathematics adobe package costs a ton right? Also did you buy plug-ins like the sapphire one?

[@TheNewton]

1:53 ~$300+ for a digital game to "unlock" all the content through it's microtransactions. Even then in a gambling way not guaranteed to get 100% of cards. Disgusting. inb4 shills trying to rationalize packs not being transactions gating content , 1 layer of indirection with "packs"|"cards" and peoples brains turn off.

[@TheStatisticalPizza]

Paul Newton the game is 100% free to play with no advertising in the game, and you can easily earn a decent collection by completing quests. There's nothing to complain about

[@TheNewton]

@@TheStatisticalPizza Packs are advertised frequently. Amazing how just a tiny amount of indirection makes people justify a disgusting business model based on gambling transactions.

[@TheStatisticalPizza]

Paul Newton disgusting business model? I don't think you understand the nuances of card game economy. You can't charge a base price for Hearthstone, not enough people will pay a high initial price + a lower price every 3 months, and the devs can't work for free. Nobody wants to play a dead card game. You don't need to pay a ton of money to play hearthstone, and the people who do pay are the ones that allow others to play for free. If you try to balance that out by making every pay a little then you will kill the game.

[@TheNewton]

​@@TheStatisticalPizza oh no the "nuances" lol the saddest shills are the ones that don't realize their participation or say "it's not a lot of money to play in video literally outlining the hundreds of dollars it takes to actually "play". But please do carry on about how much everyone owes to the f2p whales.

[@TheStatisticalPizza]

Paul Newton "hundreds of dollars it takes to actually play" I've been f2p since Un Goro, no problems building a decent collection with the classes I like to play. You don't have a better suggestion nor do you have any solid points other than: " I don't like that this costs money and I'm too stupid to understand basic economics"

[@GermanyLetsPlayTV]

ganz starkes video. ich hatte auch schon oft gerechnet, was da so möglich ist. Aber das fasst alles super zusammen.

[@IxDarkxNinjaxI]

Cool. I would’ve like to seen some numbers on how many cards in each set actually see play. You really don’t need every single card from the set obviously. I would like to see how many cards make up how many tier 1 decks on average, and shoot for that number instead

[@jatsantsa]

win ratio for long play will get dimished by player fatituge unless you are a mech. This and burn out will lead to less efficency, for that it is for me still imposible, but I love the info.

[@rocketeer6150]

One of my favorite videos! Awesome content!

[@autumngrace7742]

At this point I've stopped playing altogether considering how cost heavy this game has become. I'll just enjoy the game by watching streamers like Kibler and toast while coming back to watch some high quality videos :D

[@naokmoon1487]

Very very well done! Thx for advices

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

:]

[@HugoHefesto]

"If you play so much everyday, it's likely that you will loose your job". That's no problem, my fear is to loose my sanity... -_-

[@deday6525]

agreed

[@moriarty5649]

I have all base cards. I have never spent money in Hearthstone. I play since Naxxramas. All you need is patience and consistency. I am systematically completing daily quests and brawls, using all rewards, pay packs with gold, disenchant gold, almost no arena etc. I'd say it took me a bit more than 2 years.

[@LSBGaming1]

Amazing video, love the break down of the numbers.

[@Mr.Reality]

You forget creating new accounts and recruit them as friends for free packs. Also logging in on iphone and galaxy etc gives you free packs which can be easily done with an simulator on your pc ;) I even faked the fire gathering hero and cardbacks with an IP changer xD

[@WildcardZwei]

"If you play so much every day, you will eventually lose your job and become a streamer." That was a colossal burn. I don't even think a freeze mage could cool that one off. XD

[@dylanthatcher4513]

My games played a day changes on when new sets and nerfs/buffs get implemented. Around that time, I probably play twice as many games as I normally do

[@toms388]

Excellent info guys .. well done !!

[@Semtx552]

How much dust should a wild legendary card cost? 1600 seems to expensive since it only can be used in wild.

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

It made me think...

[@elabueloflow]

Please can you make a recalculation using the new patch rules

[@rosperothebest]

Thank you very much for this lovely video compilation Hearthstone data.I wish you good luck and all good. :)

[@justinsmeer9539]

You forgot to account for fast paced tavern brawls when getting gold.

[@Lord_Zuko69]

Unstable portal brawl, playing mage means ez wins :D

[@CancentricStallion]

I liked the 50$ preorders in the past, hero, packs, card. Now they've gated the hero behind an even bigger paywall. If we have the opportunity to get the hero after the expansion, I'll be ok with it. Still feel the pre-order cardback should be available for all pack sizes as well as the special preorder packs, so people can still show their support, especially if they don't have 50+$ to shell out

[@arhean3693]

This video is a sign for blizzard that this game accualy needs CHANGES

[@user-bn6ju5ip1i]

a bit of advice. If you are lucky to score overtime at your work, and say you make a extra $100 on your pay. Your bills are paid and you are getting by all right. Spend $25 of it on 15 packs, that is what i do every now and then. Been playing for just over 4 years and dropped probably $150 all paid by overtime

[@edumarquez]

As usual, a complete analysis, thank you! BUUUUUT... 1 Pack = 100 Dust is not true, if the goal is had a complete collection, why? well, it was true before when we get a Legendary dupes, but since this was changed, the Legendary is not more dusted, so, I think this value would be between 35 and 65, but any way 100 Dust for pack. NO WAY! Why? well the dust we get is distribuited like this way: Packs Dust for Pack 1-10 5 11-20 10 21-30 35 31-40 40+ From here is when we dust (almost) all cards So, think is 100 is someway too optimist and nothing to do with the real. The Legendary do not do DUST if we try get a Complete Collection. Greetings!!

[@tomseiple3280]

I haven't crunched the numbers on my game play - but I clear all my quests, buy the 50 card discount at expansion, and play at a relatively high level (hit 5 every month), and this gives me enough resources to comfortably get all the cards I need to succeed in a given meta. It's be nice to have a complete set, but it's totally unnecessary. I opened a golden hir'eek the bat the other day, and was vary glad to dust it for something else in the next expansion for exactly this reason.

[@waaurufu]

They way I use the ten gold for every three wins is to round out my gold count for the day to end my gold total count on either 50 gold and an even hundred, so that my next day's quest will get me to another pack. I don't have a complete collection but I'd call my collection 75% complete with this method. As for my deck I use my entirely underrated Dragon Priest deck in wild when I absolutely need to win games, otherwise I joke around with meme decks in standard.

[@mephes]

1 step - play arena 2 step - make a good deck 3 step - lose to RNG 4 step - 0-3 5 step - R.I.P time and gold i don't have friends to do the 80 gold quest

[@charlesdickens123]

I appreciate your efforts guys, but I already quit hs. I was f2p player, and I had so much fun with the dalaran adventure, but now I'm pissed off since I will never be able to get a full collection, and If I do, it will rotate or in 4 months we'll have a new expansion!! It's crazy to play 4'5h/day... But meh, I don't play it anymore. Greets

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

Thank you for the opinion! :]

[@XeeroBliss]

Carlos Ferrer same I quit this game too. It’s way too expensive. Plus it got real boring, nobody plays anything original.

[@3Drives]

i get they need money to continue developing the game, but this is way too many, if i spend 50$ for expansion, which is A LOT, i get 3-4 legendaries out of 23. which means i can probably build only 1.5 competitive decks, and hopefully not get bored by playing always the same deck over and over again for months.

[@onenof10]

If you look at their quarterly reports you can find that it costs them around 75 million US to develop and host Hearthstone per quarter. With 7 million players it’d take over 10$ every three months just to break even. If you consider the number of players willing and able to spend money on the game, it’d be far fewer than 7 million. So even if Hearthstone had a healthy million players willing and able to pay, they’d need to be dropping 75$ US every three months, or 25$ per month. Some would love a flat rate fee like this, but most would likely move on, leaving few opponents for the payers to play. Somewhat like what happened to Artifact.

[@spideyegypt765]

Totally Agree with all your numbers, And it is very true you need the patience & time to be able to save that gold.

[@nunayadamnbusiness]

Very well done video. I truly appreciate the knowledge and insight of the videos.

[@juansabaTV]

Oh come on, this is ridiculous... if I had to spend 5 hours a day playing HS everyday for 4 months and even getting friends to share 80gold quest, JUST to keep up. Madness

[@amazingleomar6885]

No, if you just want to keep up you can just use quest and event rewards. You only need about 60 packs per expansion to get a couple decent decks which is easy doing quests everyday. If you want the entire collection (which you absolutely don't need) then you must play 6 hours a day

[@pavlosegeda8294]

Good luck with winning 30 games per day. This expantion we have very sloooow meta. Today i played 7 games as bomb hunter around rank 18, that took almost 2 hour of my time. Why ? Becouse i faced token dru, 2 control warriors, conjurer mage, control shaman and 2 priest decks.

[@argumentumadhominem3977]

play wild which has a very aggressive meta 4Head

[@pavlosegeda8294]

@@argumentumadhominem3977 That's my second expantion, so i dont have many cards or dust to craft them.

[@raiprejav]

Just play Wild Pirate Warrior at rank 20 and you win those 30 games in 3 hours on average. I know, it's toxic af but the reward system is the one to blame, lol

[@bossle6834]

If you do all this and add a little layer of realism you can get about half or a little more of each expansion, which is pretty fine by me

[@Aaronemmanuel-27]

Cthun is missing in my collection along with other og card, strangely it appears there in my other older accounts... I've tried redownloading, uninstalled, redownloaded, tried logging on and back on but to no avail. My friends which has a new account has cthun in thier collection and they have the whole card collection. Doesn't appear even when filter is off. Strange 🤔

[@deathincarnateatheist7679]

Did you check the wild filter? C’thun is no longer in standard and hasn’t been for ages.

[@Aaronemmanuel-27]

@@deathincarnateatheist7679 I know lol.. I've already done just that but uh, it seems that quite a bit of people as of late has been reporting cthun missing on thier accounts, (I'm playing on mobile) so I don't know if this is a bug or something , but when I log into my older account which I created when Whispers of the old god's came out, its there. But when I log in with a recent new account that I created its not there, along with other hsog cards, in crafting however I've set the filter to include uncraftable cards, and bam! All of them are there and it's said i need to open an og pack to unlock them, I guess that's probably the way? Because I thought cthun was completely "free"? I don't mind buying those packs after all it's just $2.99 but at least blizz should have pointed this out.

[@harrywombat3112]

As a player who has enjoyed playing Hearthstone since the beginning, I don't get hung up on playing for free. Some of the same people who complain about the cost of playing Hearthstone will have no problem paying hundreds of dollars for a 2 hour concert, 2 hour sporting event, spend a ton of money at an amusement or theme park, or eat at expensive restaurants. I have no problem spending actual money on booster packs. Especially since I have an actual job, and can't afford to play for 6 hours a day to get gold. Spending $130 on the upcoming booster packs = hundreds of hours enjoyment playing Hearthstone, so a pretty good bang for my buck - in my opinion.

[@esaedromicroflora1247]

amazed as usual for all the useful info

[@yzxz9012]

In 2020 If the new sets have 200 cards in total you will new 400 cards for full colection (even less cuz legendary count just 1 time) In a pack are 5 card...400/5=80 So ~ 80 packs for full colection 80.000 gold

[@decdf-yo2lz]

I dunno if you guys accept requests, but I have kind of a challenge. I think it's gonna be really useful information, if you could find some numbers on the topic. Here it is: how would change a personal cost of a 1 card pack from set depending on cards already owned by a user? Assume I have 320/457 classic cards and let's say 0/248 boomsday ones. It's obvious that all 5 cards from from boomsday going to be helpful for my collection (let's neglect odds of getting 3 same cards in one pack) while odds of getting whole 5 cards to be dusted for classic pack are high enough. If we go further down the line, new question arises: from what point should I just craft needed cards and stop buying packs from the set at all, and spend gold (or $) on other sets? I know that answer probably depends on player goals (full set, possibility of having all/1/2 tier 1 decks or other), I can't give you those boundaries, but let's solve from the point of let's say F2P player (I am not F2P, but this kind of content helps, you know, spend less) and his/her possibilities.

[@GrassWarlock1]

From which expansion is the theme song at the start of the video?

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

This is Madame Lazul's melody. :]

[@GrassWarlock1]

Thanks alot

[@ΔημήτρηςΘεοδωράκης-υ7τ]

i suggest they should give more gold overall from quests! its so bad when i have to win 30 games to get 100 gold or even 61 gold average a day lul.... i dont say that they should make it all free if they dont want but they should give you the chance to get the resourses you need to get a full set for example for free.... all my friends when i suggest them HS they say no cause its pay to win... and they are right..!

[@thecoon1945]

i think the situation is even worse, cuz hs is pay to enJoy... if you even Just wanna enJoy the game u definitely have to pay... none like to play the same deck forever

[@hammdogporkington3058]

Impressed by both the video and how much Blizzard does for free players but how little it feels like practically

[@Lock2002ful]

lol only if you have no life, no job, no family I’m happy to put down money for packs and enjoy the game the way I want without grinding

[@deathincarnateatheist7679]

Same. I only grind to get a lot of gold because I like opening so many packs on a single day. If you’re a normal human being, it’s impossible to grind to 110 packs.

[@kennethokubo3435]

The real question is, is it really worth it to try for a complete set of an expansion? I mean there’s easily gonna be at least 40 percent of the expansion (a lot of which being meme trash epics and legendaries) that are simply unplayable. I’d argue it’s less stressful and more fun to set your grinding for gold and dust to making a card you really want.

[@deathincarnateatheist7679]

I would just wait until the meta is stable and see if any of the new cards are good. If they are complete trash I disenchant them. Looking at the cards in SoU expansions, a quite a lot of them aren’t noteworthy.

[@kennethokubo3435]

deathincarnate Atheist looks like they’re pushing for control for a lot of classes so it’d definitely be better to wait for now.

[@GuzikPL4]

Could you make entire video about arena? I would love to hear more

[@bartoszmichaek1090]

Is 270 packs really enough to get full set? I've opened around 250 this expansion and I have less than 80% of legendaries and epics (with some extra dust invested), while my drop rate from packs was likely close to average (slightly lower for legendaries by one leg, but most likely higher for epics - hard to keep exact track, but I was 5 epics ahead in my first 150 packs on day one).

[@asylumprobatio4698]

How much time would it take to get the standard collection with only buying the offers of card x-amount of packs and the adventures?

[@naroo6586]

Actually, 80g quests are more valuable if you trade them with other players (80 + 80) on hearthstone sites, although it's possible to get scammed

[@Mystery_Box-]

yeah but to be fair if you scam somebody on such websites the mods will blacklist you and you can request the person to show you if they got the quest too. After 2 years only got scammed once. I just wrote to this person |> Im happy you got your 80g you honorless PoS I bet you play Ally in WoW. Funny thing he invited me back and said he is playing on Horde side :D even scammers have some kind of emotions

[@Lock2002ful]

lol? how would you trade that and against what?

[@Mystery_Box-]

@@Lock2002ful LOL? Learn reading with understanding and do your research b4 you comment. LOL guy Omegalul

[@Mystery_Box-]

Roman just go bowling

[@Lock2002ful]

Or you could stop being an asshole, letting your frustrations out online, and just answer a simple question.🤷🏻‍♂️

[@carrycranberry7804]

As always, a great video!

[@sindolorum]

great video. not playing this game anymore, but i still watch your vids.

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

Thank you! :]

[@Sonix07pr]

So basically, you'll have to invest so much time into hearthstone it'll be like having a second job. At that point you're better off just spending the 300. Which is what Blizzard wants obviously.

[@occi3746]

Haven't spent a single penny on this game. I've played this for about 4 years, and I barely have anything. I usually get things from blizzard's gifts to players, or events. I only have around 10 Goldens and 10 legendaries. 4 years. For 10. FOUR YEARS. I play the game a lot, too.

[@deepfakestudio7776]

Do Arena

[@occi3746]

@@deepfakestudio7776 What do you think I do? I do arena, comp, and quests to get the max amount of gold.

[@ericksander7890]

Ohhh, I almost forgot, I have 5 friends that play the game, so we do the very good friend quests, and is great for look up for the 5 rank, is not that difficult, but if you achieve under 10, I think you're a good player in HS.

[@WarakitTHgamer]

Very very good vdo Good content, good graphic, good sound I think you can get half million subscribe if you do content of more poppular game than hearthstone. Sorry for my bad english.

[@nardast]

"It is technically possible, but in practice, its almost impossible withour friends" Well, there goes my chance

[@bookipzee]

wonderful video, thx for this!

[@2ZH]

So what you're telling me is if I stay on top of quest, and brawls I can have a really good chunk of it? Hmm good enough for me

[@akashic7348]

You can save even more than $300 by uninstalling Hearthstone and playing a game that's not designed to be a money sink instead.

[@Quitarstudent]

PREPOSTEROUS"!

[@AntivenomOW]

I‘m a F2P player and can pretty much play every current meta deck: Conjurers Mage, Control Warrior, Tempo Rogue, Zoolock, Mech Hunter, Token Druid, Wall Priest, Shirvallah Paladin, Barista Warlock etc. I‘ve never spend a cent on the game and can still play most of the meta decks of every expansion. I don’t even play arena and I play around 5 games ranked a day on average. I didn’t even had to dust my dumpster legendarys. I love this channel and your videos, but this video might discourage a lot of players to even try. Still, you guys are awesome!

[@woolerz.]

Kamil Poskart Are you god?

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

Thanks for the opinion! :]

[@Evan_Schaefering]

@@woolerz. He probably builds up a huge amount of gold/dust for the start of each expansion. Which allows him to get most cards from packs and craft any he still needs.

[@woolerz.]

Evan Schaefering I also do it but usually can't get more than 30 packs and 4000 dust for free :( Even buying one offer I can't get all the necessaries to be competitive on ladder

[@AntivenomOW]

jOinx yes, it‘s me my child :)

[@PepeEnjoyer]

Thanks for your work

[@HearthstoneMathematics]

Thank you! :]

[@matreviews559]

Good video as always

[@ОлександрКукушкін-р2р]

You deserve more activity on channel

[@epicmusiclover]

I am a very casual player. Meaning i dont play to earn but for fun. Thats heartstone to me. Also to play arena you need to have have a very good strategic mindset to ear high value of your games. The reward in itself is more than buying 1 card pack from gold but the glum feeling from winning 1-3 fights makes me hesitant to play arean. (I secretly wish that there was arena ticket pr month)

[@tuantrananh4015]

also i find arena is not fun at all if you farm arena then you don't had time to play normal game at all so what the point to collection

[@DamianCarboneMendez]

Amazing video. But I think you forgot a resource!! All the dust we receive after buying the packs for the repeated cards! Until the next video! ;)

[@slowrnd]

for any 7+ avg arena player it's quite easy to get all the cards. I would have full collection if only I didn't spend about 100k dust on golden cards.

[@ericksander7890]

For me, I'm probably a semi-free to play player, because I buy some stuff, I do 3 steps for playing this game in that way, well, firstly I just complete the daily quests and do at least 10 plus gold from 3 victories, but sometimes 20 or 30, that's 9 victories, and in it's a good amount of gold in a short time, in my opinion and is very more achievable and healthy, I think that look for 30 wins is just insane, because somedays you just are not going to win that much games, and probably will be very frustrated. Secondly, I also disenchant every gold card, since I have the same card as 2 copies of the normal card already, and just doing that, give me a very good amount of dust. Thirdly, I buy some stuff that's cheap, like the beginner packs or that Masters Promotion because is just not expensive and is good to buy it if you really enjoy the game like me, also the adventures, and in my opinion, the Rise of Shadows Adventure is totally worth it to buy it, because you just earn a lot of stuff for a very fair price, and for beginner players, Zayle is just a very good card to use, as you are going to have very good decks for beginners, and probably will be a very fun way to know the game and have fun. A plus step that I do is to play arena at least once a week because I like that mode too, so I always save 150 gold for my entry in arena, in average I win from 4-6 wins in arena, and for me, it's good enough, but I came to achieve 7 and 8 wins twice. I never buy packs or pre-order and stuff, because is very expensive for me, and not worth it in my opinion, I already have 5 decks from the meta: Mech Hunter, Druid Token, Murloc Shaman, Midrange Hunter and Resurrect Priest, I also saved gold before Rise of Shadows Expansion, for 3 months, because I just have got back to this game, I stopped playing for one year, but I play since 2015, and I think it's very good to save gold before the very first expansion of the year, you're going to have more time and decks to do it, and in the expansions between, save for at least 1 month, it's good enough for, Rise of Shadows is one of the best expansions of this game, in my opinion, that made me come back to it, and I'm enjoying the game more, as I used too, and yeah, I have never bought any single pre-order or packs.

[@AT7outof10]

Okay, I gotta ask, what IS Chris? Like, that art is wholly unique, I can't find it anywhere, let alone in hearthstone.

[@hammerofdawn1158]

i dont have a complete collection but through arena i have enough cards and dust to make every top tier deck every expansion. i dont plan on crafting hireek the bat or other semi-worthless cards.

[@skatgib1]

I play arena and i get on average 7 wins got all my cards without spending money but the best way is to prepurchase the expension and purchase special offer, play arena if your not good just pratice..easy