Hearthstone Theory: The Strategy of Card Packs

[@louisng114]

6010 -> 5810. The first pack he opened must have been actually great so he needed to cut the clip. XD

[@ThePennilessPlayer]

I was wondering how quickly someone would notice this. No kidding, it had a Golden Mountain Giant.

[@trutwhut6550]

@The Penniles Player wow that is good

[@yourself6661]

Thought the same thing lol

[@justin-is-away]

Thought it was supposed to be a joke that he bought 2 instead of 1 bc he couldn't resist himself lol

[@thegratrix453]

Noticed it aswell yeah ;D

[@returnosf5043]

The actual best way to part Hearthstone ftp is to start playing in 2014

[@Chidon0]

Actually true thats what i did and just recently quit.

[@rwcavallero4790]

I think in general this is something that is in every tcg like that not a problem with heartstone in perticular!

[@lightspawn4357]

True, but unfortunately unchangable. To keep the game "spicy" over years and years, developers need to put in more and more content and usually ramp up the whole game basics making older cards look underpowered. Best example might be Yu-Gi-Oh. Twenty year old card game, the tempo nowadays insane. First turn two synchrosummons, no one actually tribute summons anymore, it's far too slow. Heavens sake, they'll have to make the font size smaller if they make the card descriptions any bigger. Now I feel the same for Hearthstone, the game pace is so much faster than in the beginning and the Magnitude of some cards feels ridiculous. It's a personal opinion, but enough to quit the game.

[@Jarczenko]

true

[@lordvig8884]

I think f2p is decent once you play for 6 months

[@ChannelMiner]

Penniless: How much gold is dust worth? Me: 100 gold = 40 dust Penniless: 1:1 Me: [Head explodes]

[@auliasilkapianis1482]

It's above 100

[@TheNewton]

It's still 40 dust, the number he uses is the average ONLY if you buy lots of packs to be statistically significant. 40 is the amount you can make an actual plan for*. Higher numbers are just hope and gambling unless you get a minimum of 40 packs or just go full whale.

[@michaelhaz5006]

@@TheNewton well this video basically tells you to never spend on singletons and always go for 50-100 at the start of an expansion so he isn't wrong.

[@gohzy7425]

False. Everything is at its minimum value when you main Whizbangggggg

[@shvili_ko_1118]

[@TheOldAmishMan]

I can't break rank 15/14 with whizbang

[@MYG]

@@TheOldAmishMan Whizbang can get you to at least rank 10 if you know the decks well.

[@TheOldAmishMan]

@@MYG yeah but it's an even bigger grind.

[@philip6068]

@@TheOldAmishMan that's why I decided it was a good idea to craft golden Whizbang, no regrets till this day

[@felipeluz5035]

Another simple thing I do and wasn't commented on the video: As I open packs, I keep updating a list of how many packs of each expansion I have opened without opening a legendary. Like this I can see more clearly what kind of packs are closer to a legendary. :D

[@robosergTV]

hs deck tracker has a plug in for that

[@felipeluz5035]

RobosergTV I play 90% of the time on mobile... So I keep updating the list myself. xD

[@Rawkabilly57]

@@felipeluz5035 pitytracker.com/

[@Rawkabilly57]

That should save you some time lol

[@Marre2795]

Oh, Thanks for that. I didn't know this existed.

[@IV-A]

I don't think this video told that. WHEN CARDS GET NERFED you get full dust refund for A LIMITED TIME. I didn't know that. Lost over 3200 dust when the raza patches nerfs came around, because i hold down the cards for too long. I think it was 2 weeks then.

[@kombat4135]

Heyyy guess what? Hope you held onto that Raza lmao

[@catspoons]

I only use money to buy the "welcome pack" since they're cheap. I never spend over 5 dollars at a time on hearthstone.

[@baflange6477]

JockeyHunter same exact theory of my coke head co worker tho?

[@AdrasHoriaGaming]

@@baflange6477 hashhahaha

[@MagicalNyan]

get scammed idiot

[@ToastyClam]

How many times does a welcome pack happen?

[@Kamkuts]

ToastyClam I’d also like to know the answer to this question

[@Graysett]

Nice to see that what i've always done seems to be pretty close to what you've come to. New expansion comes out, i spend all my gold on packs, typically getting between 60-80. For the first few weeks any gold I make goes towards new packs. This period lasts until I get bored of the current constructed meta, which usually happens 3-4 weeks after release. From here on my gold either goes towards Arena runs (because i like drafting) or into more packs of whatever i'm missing legendaries that I want from (usually is the newest expansion, but when it's not it's either Classic or one of the older ones that has a legendary i REALLY want). Once i get my newest legendary from that pack type i stop buying packs of that expansion and let myself make cards out of the dust i've accumulated. Then in the period between expansions all of my gold goes towards Arena (again, because i like drafting). Once the next expansion is announced i stop going into Arena and start saving for the next expansion. New expansion comes out, i spend all my gold on packs, typically getting between 60-80. Repeat. While i'm not FTP (I've bought both of those starter deals or whatever they're called where it's like 5 bucks for a guaranteed legend and a bunch of packs) and i've bought some of the Expansion Wings, I haven't bought packs with actual money in years, nor have i felt the need to thanks to having more than enough dust to make whatever i want when it strikes my fancy. And overall the amount of money I've spent since I started playing (around Naxx) is way lower than the amount i spent on MTG back in my last 2 years of high school, so i'm not complaining.

[@MajkaSrajka]

On dusting the cards: Decide as late as possible (if you don't have to choose earlier). You may get the additional data in future that may change your mind :)

[@starspaceschool587]

Or try to never dust a card, when it gets nerfed you get full value. Sometimes you get the full value without even disenchanting.

[@Ex0rz]

Dusting cards is rarely a good idea especially if you just started collecting a certain expansion or classic packs. You will start getting those 40 dust packs pretty fast. Especially legendaries are a bad idea to dust, since you cant get two of the same legendary unless golden. If you dust a bad legendary for 400 dust, you might get the same legendary again. BUt if you keep the bad legendary you are guaranteed to get another next time you get one and thats 4x the value...

[@TheHappy115]

I find that using arena to compare dust and gold isn't exactly always the best. I mean, I've seen multiple time where the 12 wins reward has a Golden Legendary in it (along with other rewards). I wish that the 12 wins rewards wasn't just complete RNG like Hearthstone in general. Because usually that card for me is a golden rare. Feelsbadman. When Un'goro came out, I did some research and it turns out if you dusted all cards you got from packs and crafted non-golden AND golden cards of ALL sets (including wild), it would cost about $33,000 (1051925 dust). And that was when Un'goro came out. I'm sure each expansion has increased that amount by a few thousand. Now obviously, no one is gonna dust a card only to recraft it, but it is still quite insane, especially when some of them are no longer collectible through card packs.

[@medojedhoneybadger4721]

Actually you can buy all old packs and adventures on blizzard website they just never told anyone about that.

[@Chidon0]

he means hall of fame cards and quest reward cards[murk eye, parrot] arent in any packs.

[@korhone7077]

TheHappy115 no, 12 win rewards have never golden legendaries lol

[@starspaceschool587]

Why would you purposely disenchant cards just to turn around make them again. In reality all the common, rare, and most of the epics would happen from the packs naturally. Then you get roughly 1 legend every 20 packs and now you are guaranteed a unique legend.

[@korhone7077]

Henri Salo oon saanu 12 voittoo vaikka kuinka helvetin monta kertaa eikä kertaakaa tullu vastaa et en tiiä si.

[@micaelgarcia1576]

I always wondered why the power creep on cards was more of a 1 - 2 - 3 /year begins/ 1.5 - 2.5 - 3.5 instead of a 1 - 1.5 - 2 - 2.5 - etc.. I guessed it must've something to do with that, but never actually understood the exact reasoning behind it. Thanks for this video! it cleared me not only that, but a lot more doubts. :D

[@j.b.6855]

There is a diminishing return on buying Classic packs. Since you will get a free pack once a week with the tavern brawl, and you will likely buy some. Sometime in the second year you will likely have the playable cards and most of the legendaries because you will craft the best ones you didnt get. At that point think long and hard about buying more Classic packs since you will continue to get a free one each week and eventually get them all if you continue to play. The rest of the suggestions are good and close to what I do.

[@j.b.6855]

It also depends on what you have crafted. I recommend people in their first year focus on long term collection building. I wrote a post on Hearthpawn to help others with this info included. www.hearthpwn.com/forums/hearthstone-general/general-discussion/211142-mistakes-new-players-make In the first year avoid crafting high cost cards of sets that will rotate out. Focus instead on the Classic set since you will always have them. Presently I am in my second year have most of the playable Classic legendaries. I am missing a few that see some play Al'Akir the Windlord, Grommash Hellscream, Lord Jaraxxus, and Prophet Velen. But I am not buying more Classic packs. I will either get what I am missing in free packs or craft them if I really need them. I am focusing in on the current years sets going forward.

[@Esvald]

Not to mention there are quests that can give you classic packs: Dungeon run, monster hunt and watch and learn comes to my mind.

[@alexholthus2154]

Thick long and hard. I need to stop watching so much porn..

[@deejayf69]

Rewatching this I think it's also important to ( depending on if you spend actual money on hearthstone or not ) take pre-order purchases into account. Considering that at least in Europe ( since I don't know if prices are different in other regions ) 60 card pack cost 70 euros so buying 120 packs would equal 140 euros but when you pre-order and purchase both bundles for 130 euros cost you 130 euro. So not only do you pay 10 euros less but you gain 10 pack more packs. In addition to that you gain 2 guaranteed golden Legendaries from the expansion set when you do so! Also dat free legendary at the beginning of the expansion. And since after around 80 or so packs you have every common and rare from those expansions in your collection, it'll net you a ton of extra dust meaning you can get some other juicy Legendaries or epics that are strong/that you want in your collection. All I'm saying is that if you want to spend money, have a decent classic collection already and of course have enough money you will be set until the next expansion comes out because it covers A LOT of cards. This is why I consider purchasing pack mid-expansion a waste, at least when you buy them with money. I know not everyone can afford this method of purchase but those are just my two thoughts on the matter.

[@finalfantasy3706]

also before a expansion comes out, they often do a 1000 gold tavern brawl arena style so You run out of gold to buy new expansion with real money

[@evanolszewski6441]

I once had 7000 gold and bought an un'goro pack, didn't stop buying un'goro packs till I hit 0

[@chrisaraujo1110]

I pretty much do that every expansion. or at least I did before the rotation became every 4 months. I can't play as often as I used to so I'll probably only have about 3k gold for the new one coming up :(

[@ItsKan]

as soon as i hit 100 gold i just buy a pack. i would never have the patience to actually grind for that much gold :P

[@szymonlewandowski9690]

TechPunk same, but form this Day on, i will try to save Gold for the New xpac

[@chriswilson1968]

It took me literally 250+ ungoro packs or maybe even more to get vilespine and academic espionage. Still dont have Rouge quest....

[@rainmaker3922]

@@chriswilson1968 Academic Espionage is a boomsday card.

[@CrispyCuda]

I would like to know how being a new player might adjust these recommendations. It would be easy to say the recommendations still apply to new players, but I don't think this is exactly the case. Unless a new player lucks into several cards that all work into one very high tier deck and run with it, it's likely they will have to buy packs as they go. Saving is not really an option for them initially, because doing so will hurt the quality of their decks a lot more than a long time player. Unless they are a masochist, in which case saving may work great for them.

[@sqfzerzefsdf]

honestly this game is horrible to new players, I would suggest you do spend some money if you wanna play the game by doing the prepurchase so that you get a decent amount of the next set and then just save up for upcomming expansions

[@juliansaller9033]

I played the game since four months and I spend about 200 bucks so far. Otherwise gameplay would suck because you couldn't build a tier 1 deck and climb the ladder so fast.

[@stonekidman2306]

Math make hulk head hurt

[@Jeod]

Not anymore

[@einaikako]

Unbelievable! as a 4-year f2p player, i was always buying and crafting this way! except i never made a video about it, helping new players! gj man

[@szymonlewandowski9690]

Pennyless finally found ressurect at the bottom of his deck

[@MindGem]

I had no idea of the math and reasoning behind this but I'm glad that I do exacly as subscribed, have done for the last 5-6 expansions. I buy all the packs I can afford with gold I have when the expansion drop, maybe create a card and then I play with whatever I have and save all incoming gold for the next expansion. Naturally this means that I'm stuck at rank 20-15 or so because I don't have the cards to build a stronger deck but on the other hand I have not paid a single real dollar for this game.

[@car-keys]

Would love a follow-up about arena value.

[@shinysnivy6604]

I just got whizbang from the free boomsday pack and now I'm set for life.

[@CIRCADES]

*until Boomsday rotates out.

[@duelponzac]

One good tip (although it might be worthless) is to keep track on your golden cards. It just happens that i realized that i had 3k-worth dust if i disenchanted my extra golden copies, but HS didn't told me i could disenchant them. lemme explain: if you have 2x copies of a kind, but you have a golden copy of the same kind, HS wont consider this as a 3rd copy, thus not allocating it amoung extra disenchantable cards. This happens (prob.) cuz HS wants you to keep this golden card, and gives the player the opportunity to chose between keeping the gold one and disenchanting the vanilla copy, OR getting rid of the golden card and getting extra dust. im certainly saving my dust for april, next year, since un goro, DKs and kobolds will rotate out, focusing on the newest year should give me a better upperhand latter on rather than crafting strong legs "from the past".

[@alexandre588]

If you want a complete collection and/or want to maximize dust accumulation, know that legendaries will always roll as one that you don't have yet (unless you already have all legends of the set). Given that opening a legendary is the best thing you can do to minimize the total dust requirement (-1600 dust cost), and that any pack will do it, you have to look for the second best thing: epics. Always buy packs from which you have most epics missing.

[@naummw6328]

Great guide. Hope this channel returns man. I am only 5 day player I LOVEE HEARTHSTONE SO MUCH ! I will try to get ur success myb one day with Hearthstone content but ur CONENT is 100/10

[@hiddenkoalarage]

I just always save up 6-8k gold trough quests then open only 3 legendaries, while someone with 30 packs opened 3-5 then i wonder why im still playing, since the same thing's been happening for 3 years

[@jayanty4048]

I would have liked a quick overview about the validity of arena when obtaining card packs, but I’m sure I can google it.

[@DangerousGazes]

I'm so happy, I'm a f2p player and I own almost every relevant legenday and 2x epic card in the game. All my friends are always complaining how hearthstone is a pay 2 win game and they attribute my collection to the fact that I've played since beta and therefore have had more time to build a collection. But without doing the math or anything I've actually done everything this video is telling me to do ever since blackrock mountain came out. I rarely disenchant my cards (I even keep the bad golden ones) and I'm currently sitting on 2000 dust waiting for the next xpac. This video confirms that my strategy is what's building my collection and not just that I'm "luckier and that's why I have all the legendaries"

[@juanolotgn]

You forgot one of my most important rules. Stop spending on packs when you get a legendary, and if you spend again spend until you get the next one (be prepared to buy at least 30 packs). The pity timer is a big portion of a packs expected value - so don't end your pack buying when in the next 5 you have a guaranteed legendary.

[@heroricspiritfreinen38]

That's a subscribe from me, you're the first analytical HS channel for this kind of thing

[@nikonid0]

some tips for optimize gold for f2p. Always deny a 50 gold quest, because it can transform into a 60 gold quest or even 100 gold or a classic pack quest. Do it EVERY day. I even stop playing few days to continue deny 50 gold quests, but never saturate quests too! If you have 3 quests pending, always finish the highest one, then wait. You I'm playing since beta 2013 and spent under 60 $ on the game. This helps if you don't want to invest your salary into random packs.

[@Quintaner]

Only notable exception to your power creep rule to me is Knights of the Frozen Throne. The percentages line up with it, but the power levels of the Death Knights were insane. Granted, that doesn’t seem to have been intentional, I think it’s pretty clear that Blizzard messed up with them, as evidenced by the more toned down hero cards that have been released this year

[@TheNewton]

@ThePennilessPlayer This weeks 100,000,000 player celebration is given out 5 100g quests to play against friends

[@allegrarestelliprandoni3553]

I feel like it would be very informative if you broke down what every hero / hero power is meant to be used, eg. Jaina and Jaina's Fireball for removal/control deck

[@satibel]

I'm going to disagree on the buy classic option, because if you have most of it, you disenchant most cards vs keep most in new expansions which you have less cards of.

[@ultimatediscdork]

The Giggling Inventor nerf is not a laughing matter. Nice Video!

[@akaSpartaco]

2.5) After 50 packs, stop buying an expansion when you get any legendary

[@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa]

Underrated tip tbh. Grinding the pity timer for a single expansion at a time is the best way to make sure you get the most bang for your buck.

[@Rawkabilly57]

50 should net you 2 legendary cards minimum. You get your first legendary within the first 10 packs of any set and minimum 1 every 40 packs after that

[@Rawkabilly57]

Every legendary you get resets your pity timer

[@Unstapables]

13:00 its at this point you will have handful of legendarys " your thinking yeah right " I'll tell you my last expension I opened 82 packs of rastakhan and got 4 leg and the guaranteed leg was the 3-4 so about 70 ish decks for 3 leg which is bad below avg of 20 ...So i kept opening packs for 1 more month from release and got to about 105 packs we got (4 as gift) and alas i found 3 more leg .My point is if you open a lot packs and go for 30+ pecks with no leg don't stop when you open the first leg because the next leg you open should come way faster . It also happened that after a very bad 35+ packs close to pity timer i got double leg pack so yeah the average 20 should always be there if you open enough

[@ashanron8161]

amazing work man, thank you so much

[@thesa-x2462]

30k dust because i have no self control

[@corieg1]

I have like 500k dust

[@vitoyin5544]

You serious dude, 500k?

[@gohzy7425]

No dust because I have no self control

[@mmelkilany]

my button is sitting with 13k dust

[@hongyi5140]

@@gohzy7425 I have 0 atm after crafting mechathun XD

[@kyriakosbekas]

Man your videos are amazing! Really love to watch them and get inspired as a F2P player too!! Thank you for your great content

[@carbonatedcheese523]

Decent video but I had a few questions and comments as a fellow free to play player with a large collection. There's no way that 16.7% of the standard meta is boomsday. Can anyone confirm the statistics at 11:04? I also doubt that the Knights of the frozen throne is only 11.7%. Maybe they're switched? Also, I don't think using the average dust value of packs is a fair metric because the average is skewed by the absurdly rare "unicorn pack" with multiple golden legendaries. The typical budget player probably doesn't open enough packs to reasonably expect the highest value but would certainly expect the lowest value (1 rare, no gold) which is very common. I think the median value could be more informative. Finally (sorry if this is a nitpick) but I found the chosen powerhouse cards from Kobolds and Mean Streets to be odd. While I agree that these sets are more powerful, Razza wasn't really played and was fine until Anduin in KFT. I'd argue that kingsbane was never broken as the deck only beats control and is at least currently functionally a worse but simpler quest rogue. I think cards like kazakus, aya, Drakonoid OP, dragonfire potion, possessed lackey, coridoor creeper, aluneth, psychic scream, Sonya, voidlord, skull of the Manari, and fungalmancer all are more powerful.

[@philippkoch662]

I guess all the new players invest in Arena and got a lot of boomsday cards. And they lack a lot of lich king cards. Boomsday has all in all weakest cards of recent expansions.

[@nickmartin3250]

I’m confused with why we would want to hold off on using the dust extra cards button. It doesn’t make a difference when you dust extra cards because you could never use them anyways right? If I had a third copy of a card it’s value would never appreciate any time later unless they decided to change the rarity of a card or something right?

[@danstark3341]

Most of it wasn't what I was looking for, I try to get them all, but a great card vs dust explanation.

[@jstandsforjammy3426]

What a great video! You've really outdone yourself.

[@saltinecracker3237]

what about wild players ? we're people too ;-;

[@devilvocano420]

Not really human

[@saltinecracker3237]

i mean do you consider standard Baku Paladin's as people? Or standard Togwaggle Druids as people? How much better are you than us?

[@saltinecracker3237]

Atleast wild combos are interesting, and games feel different

[@saltinecracker3237]

:shrug:

[@alejandrom.]

I was thinking the same, Dr Boom it's only a meme card in wild format, and the oldest expansion are worth more than the newer ones, because you can't buy them with gold when they rotate.

[@RaventhortheWarrior]

I wouldn't just say that the later sets are stronger because of the shelf life of cards, it's because if the power level is about equal or worse (see: boomsday atm compared to KotFT / Witchwood), you'll see VERY few cards from the set in standard use. Yes, this means people will buy less cards, but the economic ramifcations for blizzard are even worse: people get REALLY bored with the game. Despite the current meta being arguably the healthiest (if slightly polarizing) meta in hearthstone's history, with an unprecedented amount of tier 1/2/3 decks compared to unviable decks, there simply aren't many new cards being used, with giggling inventor even rotating out. This has led to people like Savjz, and much of the community, quitting entirely, and the packs they aren't selling PALES in comparison to people QUITTING the game. I'm actually REALLY shocked to see it say 16.7% of boomsday cards are in the meta (or about 1 in 6.5 cards). I have no idea what boomsday cards those are, but I'm floored. Maybe I'm just mistaken, biased from community opinion, and maybe it's that boomsday cards are very supportive while witchwood/ungoro/etc cards, while fewer, are very deck defining. That's something I'd have to spend a couple hours looking into, instead of brainstorming in a youtube comment. They kinda go hand in hand, but I think it's a distinction that's important to make. It doesn't matter how good the game is right now. Boomsday, at least until the next set rotation, has the healthiest, and most boring, meta, because people have been playing the same decks for a half year now, with small tech differences. The sole exception is Boomsday Odd Warrior (8-12 new cards), and niche mecha'thun decks (basically 3-5ish new cards, but a boomsday card that defines it), but I digress. The end-of-year expansion has the most powerful cards because it HAS to have a REASON to replace previous cards. Blizz couldn't care less about how long cards stick around, they care about people even playing during the expansion. Edit: sorry this was REALLY nitpicky, and the entirety of your video was amazing, I just got carried away on a random point

[@randomdogdog]

I started in the whitchwood, and my strategy to start up my collection is a bit different first i went for 10 packs in each set, and now my goal is 2 legends from each rotating set standard set. my goal was establishing a decent base of commons and rares. i'm getting all of my classic packs from brawl right now, but that's ok. the plan for next year is a third legendary from whitchwood -> and then ~ 50-70 packs from each new expansion with excess going to classic/arena?

[@IxAxDxTxRxI]

I think something you missed was to not disenchant your legendary cards because you can't get dupes. If you get a bad legendary and disenchant it you can get it again making your chances of getting good legendary cards for down

[@vincenthoang8710]

Nice usage of the cross to transition to the seven cost spiteful (not sure if you've used this before but this is the first time ive seen it)

[@FuriousWojtek]

I'm an idiot and i dust all the classes i don't play when i want a new deck or legendary and i buy card packs when i have 100 gold but i do have several viable decks that i enjoy but when i want to try out a new class i never have enough cards to make a decent deck. These are habits i'm trying to break because my collection suffers. Great video i'm gonna try to use some of the things i learned from you thank you.

[@PhotographsBand]

Astral Rift is good in the new mage giant deck. :p

[@matykerogaming8691]

Brilliant insight into the 'real meta' in Hearthstone. Thank you

[@lkklMakOffKa]

"every 20 hearthstone packs contains a legendary card" from what dimension you are?! from 40 packs- in my world.

[@captain_domo]

I got a legendary and a golden legendary in 10 packs O.o

[@Petrico94]

I can see the logic how a stockpile of cards is more likely to increase in value than the raw dust. However, Millhouse is a poor example for keeping a card, even when Call to Arms was big in the game he was a risky thing to have in hand, it'd be better to have Dirty Rat in his place which has some actual use. Still your point is right, it's better to keep 4 spiteful summoners until you really want to get dust for cards rather than just keep a pile of dust and miss a nerf refund

[@andrewle196]

Thanks for the video I was waiting for a guide like this

[@PMMagro]

Dust let's you choose card by card. Clearly the best way to get cards once you have a bunch already. Gold does open the Arena option though, so with gold you can get cards/dust AND Arena runs....

[@ZombieSlav]

Agree with most of these advices, but as a completely free to play player, from a ton of experience: dust is absolutely more valuable than gold (1 gold = around 0,7 dust). And about buying single expansion in my personal opinion, don't cross the 80 packs, its waste of gold.

[@jesus1021]

I haven't play in over 2 years, but I do watch the funny videos every now and then, it is worth coming back?, are a lot of people still playing it?

[@FreakyNightmare]

Finally opened legendary after long, long, loooooong wait. Gruul.

[@SophaPlays]

My first ever card was Milhouse and then after that a golden Cho ... I feel your pain XD

[@WildcardZwei]

I'm giggling about him picking giggling inventor as an invaluable rare when everyone saw a nerf coming.

[@grandro3155]

"Buy 50 - 100 Packs per expansion" in a guide for the consumer shows that Blizzard did nothing wrong.

[@ToastyClam]

Wait what do you mean by “less time to use them” do the disappear????

[@makaramuss]

I would also add: stop buying packs just after opening legendary from that pack since there is pity counter for maximum value. right after opening it stop buying it?

[@MRbenhoopify1]

I like the video but I don't think blizzard intentionally raise the power level for card sets later in the year. It's really hard for them to know what the meta decks will end up being and the power levels of cards is directly determined by the meta. Also is kingsbane and cube really that powerful? what about the lich king?

[@TacSav253]

As far as not keeping a stockpile of dust, what about things being sent to the Hall of Fame? I feel it's good to have a stockpile of dust so you can craft golden copies of those cards whenever theyre sent to HoF. But does that only happen during rotations or can it happen any time randomly?

[@RadChromeDude]

Guess giggling inventor is worth 100 dust after all. Prediction on point hahahaha

[@AlcoholicAbe]

"A card like giggling inventor isn't going to be turned into 20 dust." Now it will.

[@ayeayeron3670]

200 dust*

[@YouTookMyAccountName]

How to strategically use your money in hearthstone: avoid constructed and only play arena

[@marvinradermacher5781]

@Kevin Watters lol

[@ayzix-polytopia3854]

YouTookMyAccountName play battlegrounds which is more fun that the original mode*

[@underman77]

"A card like Giggling inventor isn't going to be turned into 20 dust" That didn't age well.

[@rockylosco5596]

Hearthstone needs to be a physical card game too

[@dedamraz3309]

It was from 2004-2013 as far as I remember, it wasn't called Hearthstone but smth from WoW universe

[@rockylosco5596]

DEDA MRAZ ? Never heard of this?please explain

[@wikbe2]

Its easy to open 5-7 packs per day if u are good at Arena (atleast 7 wins per run)

[@TheKillerman3333]

My question is this, on average how many games do you need to win outside of arena to get enough gold to obtain 50 to 100 packs?

[@friskynips7024]

Last I checked one pack gives me 40 dust every time. :/

[@EldritchAngel]

F

[@nicoonk]

Well I usually stop buying an expansion when I get a legendary because of the pity timer that functions for every expansion individually. So ofc at the start I don't stop but if I already bought 60 I would keep spending gold on it until I find the legendary and then stop buying it completely. Think that's reasonable

[@mandingo3432]

Just came back after a +2 year break from HS, only to realize i have to spend 70 euro x 6 to get back on track when it comes to owning all the cards? Thank you so much for making this video and telling me to uninstall the game again!

[@slithos14]

I cant belive I never thought of never dusting until needed, that's actully insanely smart. But now it hits me with a another question, if I have 10 copies of a card will the need give me the extra dust for all 10?

[@Baal3033]

The Giggling Inventor example didn't age so well :D

[@DaniboyBR2]

I didn't understand the part where you say not to disenchant extra cards, you need to wait for them to be nerfed? What if they're not nerfed? I usually just disenchant stuff...

[@yDnaRraMAsoJ]

Like the video, ill put this in practice, next expansion... Thanks very useful

[@sencher85]

Never heard about Epic pity timer for every 10 packs.

[@honzagondek4580]

When card moves to hall of fame or get nerfed,you get all dust from them and you can also disenchant them after!

[@idolidiot]

I like use of term "hypothetical viewer" very much. Hehe

[@javierbazan7857]

You are wrong!! Is Hearthstone Mathematics who must want work with you. Awesome video!!

[@trigenderpyrofox1383]

oh also, it says on average 20 packs per legendary but iirc the packs are coded so that every 10 packs of the same set is a garuanteed legendary card

[@trigenderpyrofox1383]

source: disguised toast video on obtaining whizbang for f2p players

[@basslingerland4783]

I believe that's only for your first 10 packs of an expansion

[@amrooo1997]

ITS a Penniless world for us f2p player out there

[@mikeythehero9402]

I only want to know 1 thing... is it more smart to stock up Some gold to then buy a big ammount of packs, or can you also Just buy packs as soon as you have 100 gold?

[@katkisedpikslid]

Yes

[@TheMrgreenblade]

What do think is the right amount of gold for packs to get at least 90 percent of the new expansion set? and I mean after boomsday

[@cruye9633]

So thaaaat's why you're called penniless

[@djWOOF]

what do you mean i cant open a duplicate legendary? Ive done it before

[@Checo2k2]

9:35 *insert rastakhan joke here*

[@TheXBladeist]

Thanks Penniless!

[@BenGewoonMike]

So cobolds is also rotating out?

[@Jill6969]

Love your channel and your content :D

[@sgxcgtkzuaxe4053]

thanks for the lesson, teacher!

[@LEO1WOLF]

Wuh-Oh, then by these theories, I've already gone wayyy overboard. I was always Diablo 1st, W.o.W. 2nd (and those 2 have since swapped places in my game-play) & then just last year, I had given H.S. a chance & am pretty addicted to it. I felt way overwhelmed at first & still am (NOOB, F.N.G., etc. I know)! 1st off: I've got only 1,905 Gold & 1,165 Arcane Dust as of log-in moments ago. I've also got 192 Open Packs & here's the breakdown as to what I've got left to open (sorry, but I can't remember what each deck is called, so I attempted to name them as best I can, based on the colors of the card-backs along with my limited experience in characters/areas of W.o.W.:

[@LEO1WOLF]

28 Purple Triangular Gem (in the center of the deck)14 Un Goro-like (with Green leaves around the button30 Mech or Bot-Like w./Turquoise Gem28 Purple Gem18 Red Gem (in the center of the deck)28 Lich King18 Orc Something or other28 ClassicTOTAL: 192 Decks, yet to be opened

[@LEO1WOLF]

Is there a certain website that can suggest to me the best cards for all of our given Classes please? Thanks for posting this VID, it does help a bit.

[@antondegroot6061]

being F2P in hearthstone is no problem. Just play arena exclusively. However, even if you are soft infinite (average ~5 wins and add coin from dailies) in arena which is rather easy, it still really sucks to play constructed since you will only have the cards to build a deck by the time the season is over and the deck outdated.

[@ManicDominator]

Fantastic video!

[@jacky79809]

When should I start saving gold for the upcoming new expansion ?

[@verrat3219]

i made a mistake of buying expansions and not playing with them because i quit soon after, its the worse feeling because the expansion gets rolled out and then ur left with wild cards :/ i suggest to anyone playing on and off to always buy classic packs because it never gets rolled out.