Chinese Cars Have Arrived - And It's Just The Beginning!

[@Pro1er]

I'm in Detroit, me and my entire family worked for the US auto manufacturers and would never consider buying an import...until lately. We are tired of paying $60,000 for outdated, poor-quality automobiles. I bought an American brand luxury SUV five years ago and have no plans to ever buy a new car again unless the prices drop dramatically. On the other hand, the Chinese offer affordable, stylish, high-tech automobiles and reasonable prices. In an effort to protect the American market the US government has imposed a ridiculous 100% tariff on Chinese cars. Our only hope for an affordable car here in America is if BYD buys the Chrysler group using the current factories to build cars here and avoid the import tariffs. If that doesn't happen, I'll be buying used cars from here on out. You mentioned the slow move toward EVs here in America. There is a huge push by the legacy US automakers to demonize EVs because of the tremendous profits in dealership repair costs. Additionally, I suspect that the petroleum industry is involved as well because in America we use (approximately) an astonishing 369 million gallons of gasoline _per day_ !

[@davidcolin6519]

The Chrysler group is owned by Stellantis, I believe, and I'm not aware of them being interested in hiving off their US names or production. However, Stellantis recently acquired 20% of Leap Motor, and 50% of their export business. That might result in them selling the Leap Motor models in the USA. In many ways the C10 is an extremely boring mid sized SUV. However, it does have the greatest towing capacity in its class (1,5T), has a reasonable range (400km)... and is priced so low (€35K before subsidies) that I can forgive its lack of buttons. There again, at that price I don't mind having to use voice activation, because it is "mid sized" even by US standards (think VW Tiguan+ interior space).

[@firstlast-pt5pp]

Cubans are still driving classic vehicles of the 50s but some upgrades to EV from China lately 😊

[@OptimusMonk01]

True, american made cars are shit

[@sprockkets]

You wanna work at BYD or the Shanghai Tesla plant for $19k a year, with 36 hours of overtime a month? Have fun.

[@johhny711]

As soon as the chinese government get control of Car manufacturing worldwide they will obviousally then increase prices .The chinese government have made it their objective to destroy Western manufacturing , they basically own the chinese car companies, none of these comapnies need to make a profit right now , their job is to take over the industry . Meanwhile they are sending democracy protesters in Hong Kong to prison for life , Yea ,so lets support the CCP !

[@amandagrant4331]

I bought a BYD Seal in Australia, this is the best car I have ever driven in my life. I don't want to drive an ICE car anymore.

[@DeeFibbs]

Try driving to the outback, skippy

[@AlbertLamarque]

Out of curiosity, what were your previous cars?

[@Waage001]

🤣

[@dontpanicblink]

what car did you do your driving test in

[@id70b40]

Give it 12mths … or a long trip….and the Aussie EV novelty will wear off

[@PaddyWV]

Remember people laughing at the Japanese in the sixties? Remember people laughing at the Koreans in the seventies. They're not laughing now.

[@gumpyoldbugger6944]

hmmmmm......people were laughing at the Koreans in 90's, but you are correct, they certainly are not laughing now, but in the US, they are crying. I remember when the US tried to stop imports of Japanese cars and motorbikes in the 80's by imposing large tariffs against them. It didn't work then, and it sure as hell wont work now.

[@Channy132]

We at least pressured the japanese to set-up plants in the UK to assemble them and create jobs. I hope we are able to do the same with Chinese/Other manufacturers as well.... although probably won't

[@davidpenlington2753]

@@gumpyoldbugger6944 I didn't know about trade restrictions on Japanese cars, this was help curb fiscal debt FAILED. So history to repeat. Idiots

[@ksoss1]

The core issue lies in the perception that Western nations often consider it acceptable to enter other markets, yet resist allowing those same markets access to their own. It’s an inconsistency that makes little sense, especially considering the staggering profits German brands, for instance, have earned in China alone. The usual narratives aimed at hindering Chinese brands no longer hold water. Initially, it was about quality concerns; then the focus shifted to claims of government subsidies, and so on. One can only wonder what the next justification will be. However, it’s becoming increasingly evident that people are beginning to see through these tactics. If I were part of a Western government, I would focus on empowering local brands to rise to the challenge. Perhaps that’s exactly what they’re attempting to do by delaying the competition from Chinese brands, though it’s hard to say for sure.

[@laurencetayloruk]

The difference being, the Japanese set up car factories in the UK because we were in Europe. Toyota in Derby, Nissan in Sunderland, Honda in Swindon. Now they are all struggling, we are out of Europe, and no chinese company wants to set up here.

[@christiandent7211]

New Zealand are full of them. Cheaper than the big brands and most of them have 7 year warranties on them.

[@mouseisbroken]

Brands like Toyota, GM, Ford or Chrysler are not big brands, they are just Kodak 2.0, ugly and fully disconnected from the digital world. BYD is a completely different species.

[@mohammedaj08]

@@mouseisbroken the only thing toyota has is how reliable their cars are , other than that toyota has very ugly interior and low quality console buttons.

[@t1n4444]

​@@mohammedaj08 Yes. But. How does the Toyota behave on the road as a car? Condemning a model because of the buttons seems a tad picky.

[@mohammedaj08]

Not picky at all if you are buying an expensive car and the other brand which is cheaper has better interior and technology then you will deffo get the cheaper one , nothing special about how a Toyota drives at all... Just like all the other cars​@@t1n4444

[@trevgangmark7331]

Here in Oz we no longer have a car industry(sadly)which also means no tariffs on Chinese EVs. we are getting an absolute load of these cars-And they look great, packed with safety features ,well put together& Affordable prices(unlike the legacy makers EVs)

[@pauld.b7129]

Yes borderline slave labor and government run foundries will get low prices

[@moviesunified6746]

If we can use an all-China-made iPhone, TV, fridge, and every other electronic in our homes, I don't know what the problem with Chinese EVs being on our roads is.

[@brianharries]

Absolutely! Spot on - in my opinion!

[@lscangus]

thata very different. Those are designed by chinese company backed by ccp

[@satplm3011]

​@lscangus wtf wrong with ccp are you anti chinese?? Are you anti with different people different religion different political systems

[@amoondream]

Chinese EVs are very unsafe if you are unfortunately in an accident in a Chinese EV. Just check news of Chinese EV accidents in China. To be safe I'd rather be in a Fiat Panda than in a "luxury" Chinese NIO or BYD EV

[@santerixdxd]

@@satplm3011 the ccp oppresses others than the han chinese, they force people to concentration camps. That should be more than enough of a reason to boycot these chinese manufacturers.

[@manimalworks7424]

If there’s a car that gave you 2.4 L/100 km (98 mpg) fuel efficiency, a range of 2400 kilometers, and cost less than $14,000. Are you interested in it? BYD makes two models like this.

[@rafaelmarkos4489]

2400 or 240? I would be with you that 240km range is pretty decent, especially in my country where most out-of-town destinations I would travel to would be within that distance, but let's not spread misinformation if possible.

[@makesirich-ps6zw]

@@rafaelmarkos4489 2400km, PHEV

[@yangwang2623]

@@rafaelmarkos4489 Just paraphrasing a quote from the internet："According to Autoblog, the latest versions of the BYD Qin L and Seal 06 sedans feature the Chinese automaker’s latest plug-in hybrid technology. With a fully charged battery and a full tank of gas, the technology can provide a driving range of 2,100 kilometers (1,305 miles), according to BYD chair Wang Chuanfu. The company’s PHEV technology, now in its fifth generation, achieves a record low fuel consumption of 2.9 liters per 100 km (62.1 miles), even after the batteries have been depleted."

[@manimalworks7424]

@ 2400 km when fully charged and filled up. Gas tank is 17 gallons. Official claim is 2100 kms, but many reviewers achieved more than 2400 kms.

[@rafaelmarkos4489]

@@manimalworks7424 Is this a PHEV? Which model is this?

[@QuietJugung]

War against affordable EVs and clean sustainable energy.

[@pauld.b7129]

Not clean if they're made in China. Especially not clean if they don't last. They take many years to become carbon neutral, so if they don't last they aren't actually clean at all

[@ZakiHaider-y9o]

​@@pauld.b7129source ? Proof ?

[@4tune8chance65]

Many decades ago, (to the best of my recollection) an economist was commenting on the decline of manufacturing in the USA, he stated, “Japan will be making everything and we will be selling each other insurance”. Seems to becoming true in a global form.

[@hayden1770]

US manufacturing value-added output now only represents about 14% of the global total. China now represents about 32% and climbing. China now has more than the US and EU combined, and that gap is growing by the day.

[@Astke]

​@@hayden1770but do you think that is a good thing? We must fight back. I like Chinese cars but it would be really sad to lose our own brands.

[@kevinlin4895]

Japan doesn't have the scale to deliver exceptional value that the Chinese are capable of. You can put up walls and force your citizens to buy overpriced, inferior products but that's a long term losing game because it's an artificially created environment. Given free market, consumers will always gravitate to the highest value products. Look at Japan, a country whose citizens are notoriously picky and loyal to their own brands, a country that was THE electronics heaven of the world in the 80s. Did you know that more than half of TVs sold in Japan today are from Chinese brands? Not made in China Japanese brands but Chinese brands! If that doesn't convince you of the overwhelming value advantage of Chinese products, nothing will.

[@noahderrington5156]

I have got an MG4 Trophy and it’s a fabulous machine. Long range, quick charging, comfortable, very quick and handles really well. It’s also very practical and was affordable. No reason to miss out on better more affordable cars and absolutely no excuses for buying an ICE car these days!

[@KiwiGraggle]

Now go and have a crash in the thing. The rear of those MGs have a serious flaw. All people look at is cheap, and why are they so cheap?. It is not rocket science to work out why Chinese cars are so cheap, it is because they use cheap materials and the vehicles are poorly put together.

[@pipiqiqi4010]

@@KiwiGraggle because Chinese brand is a newcomer here, if you don't use the cheap tactics, then how can they get the access to a mature market? this is also a tactic used by Germany and US 100 years ago.

[@KiwiGraggle]

@pipiqiqi4010 Chinese are a disgusting and rude people's.

[@connorcameronjaggs]

@@KiwiGraggle maybe but would you rather have got a cheap Chinese car that's abit dodgy or an massively overvalued German car which is just as if not more poorly and cheaply made? I'd rather save my money

[@KiwiGraggle]

@connorcameronjaggs No, because I drive a Subaru.

[@plasmaDave]

Australian car industry is all but gone now, so they allow Chinese cars in. Wife drives an electric MG for work and she prefers it to all others on the fleet.

[@GerardBendotti]

it's been gone for ages

[@never4ever386]

Is the MG from China?

[@K22MDL]

Bit like the UK then.

[@andrean2247]

​@@never4ever386 mg bought by china. And now owned by china

[@spencerkurniawan8469]

​@@never4ever386yes

[@XxXenosxX]

Bring them on, our western manufacturers have been lazy for a generation now

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

Chery just rolled the first car off a new assembly line yesterday as a jv with a Spanish company. That's why Spain no longer supports the tariffs. China will only build in countries who vote against the tariffs. Makes the EU fight one another.

[@eden5260]

China has been doing that and taking advantage of the broken EU for a long time

[@K22MDL]

Really? What will the Lord & Masters at the EU head table say abut that I wonder?

[@onetwothreefour-s1n]

@K22MDL dunno. A lot of euro car manufacturing is in financial crisis so I expect they are excited to get new jobs added to the ones being lost.

[@neilcobbe3632]

Only taken 9 years for someone to find a benefit of Brexit😂

[@NealeUpstone]

And I don't even get that there is one. Why build factories in the UK if they can build them on the continent and not have the shipping/customs hassle.

[@trevorberridge6079]

As I've said elsewhere it's actually a benefit of the failure of Brexit. So they're still looking. 🤣

[@jasonmugridge]

It started on day 1, guess you’re still watching the BBC, maybe get out a little more.

[@trevorberridge6079]

@jasonmugridge NO-ONE has come up with a benefit. Some like Rees-Mogg have even admitted there aren't any.

[@SuicideNeil]

@@jasonmugridge Lets see a list please; we'll wait.

[@Raymaster7482]

I see more and more models from BYDs on the road here in the EU. Tariffs won't stop anything.

[@jasonmugridge]

Tariffs have done wonders for the Chinese, it’s forced their companies to innovate, the CCP must be over the moon.

[@galahadray]

well, people have to pay more.

[@connorcameronjaggs]

@@galahadray tbh it'll probably only put them in line with other EU car brands who provide less for the same price. I don't think the EU can afford a high stakes trade war with china and the US at the same time

[@galahadray]

@@connorcameronjaggs agreed

[@simplygregsterev]

Its simple. Chinese manufacturers are offering better products at lower prices. The Japanese did this in the 70s and look what happened. Manufacturers and lobbying nations won’t let that happen again.

[@PrototypePrjs]

It is all about who leads in battery technology... Seems it is increasingly no longer about who has the most efficient and reliable ICE engine...

[@PeterPete]

Quote - It is all about who leads in battery technology.. China

[@pauld.b7129]

That's because the EU and AUS have made reliable ice engines illegal. If a vehicle doesn't last 300k miles it's not worth having. Also hurts poor people who can only afford used vehicles

[@jaker3151]

Just to be clear the UK will not follow the European Union in imposing tariffs on Chinese-made electric cars sold in the UK. The existing tariffs placed on all foreign goods sold in the UK still applies. This is one of the few "Brexit benefits" thus far.

[@K22MDL]

Dream on. With Starmer cozying up to the EU leaders he will adopt their stupid import tax. It is a chance for the UK consumer to take advantage but I bet we won't.

[@Balc0ra]

BYD is already gaining in popularity in Norway with the HAN, SEAL 4x4 & Sealion 7 which are all starting to become a fairly common sight in my town atm. The smaller Dolphin is not something I've seen more than 2-3 times, even tho it's heavily promoted atm. Hongqi is not a rare sight either. Tho I say starting to become a common sight. It's ofc nowhere near Tesla sightings. Or the big 3 sellers atm with VW, Hyundai, and Toyota EVs that still sell way more in my hometown area. But they still are a common sight on the top 10 seller list

[@BasketCase]

Beginning of the end for European car industry

[@229andymon]

If so, then they only have themselves to blame. China has been building up to this point, in plain sight, for at least 15 years.

[@eden5260]

Nonsense

[@coachpotato7353]

Renault & friends are doing fine and most of the Stellantis brands aren't bad either despite their insistence of doing multi-powertrain platforms. BMW is doing okay and Mercedes has some tech up it's sleeve... It seems that only VW group is in the deep, though even they have a potential hit on their hands with Elroq.

[@yezih2694]

it is like the European mobile phone and electronic industry.

[@ianrob4760]

@@229andymon and they all partnered with them

[@rebym]

I fail to see how Brexit provides any benefit beyond allowing the UK to make a different decision for the UK market ONLY. Why would you suppose that the EU would allow the UK to assemble Chinese cars to ship to Europe without significant tariffs, that's not going to happen.

[@K22MDL]

????? I think you will find the UK is a large market in itself. And knowing how us Brits love a bargain, if Starmer doesn't cock it up we should for once find us at an advantage for good value cars.

[@ianbarnes6726]

The Chinese will dump surplus cars in the UK removing all car production from the UK. The EU is expanding battery and local production. Long term the UK will have no choice bug to import all vehicles whilst the EU will retain choice.

[@K22MDL]

@ianbarnes6726 all car production? That shouldn't take long then.

[@ianbarnes6726]

@K22MDL agreed that the UK car industry has been changing dramatically. However, MNEs still produce a lot of cars here... unfortunately, for the single market and so have decreased investment here as they move production to he inside the single market. To be fair I think some niche UK production will be less impacted and I shouldn't have used the word all.

[@carlkirk3467]

@@K22MDLin order to buy good value cars, you have to earn money. If all our manufacturers have closed down and all our service industries are run remotely from India etc, who in the UK is earning money to buy these cars?

[@Perl88]

There is a Vauxhall factory in Luton that desperately needs saving. If a Chinese manufacturer needs a European factory now might be the time to make a move. It could save many of the jobs that will otherwise be lost.

[@robcollins6807]

Agreed and ironically once owned by General Motors from 1925 - 2021

[@PeterPete]

The Vauxhall factory in Luton could never be a European hub because it would be too expensive to import the cars into the EU. China would be better off building a factory in the EU - bye bye Vauxhall in Luton!

[@laurencetayloruk]

BYD are putting their factory in Turkey because it's in the EU Customs Union. No chinese manufacturer will build in the UK because Brexit makes it too difficult to get parts and products in and out of the EU.

[@chengjung5300]

I guess that's probably not going to happen, since Byd is building a factory in Hungary, which is part of the EU. Even if Byd is going to setup a factory in UK , that will only aim at its domestic sale, but not for export, as you can guess that the trade issues are probably not that straightforward now between UK and EU.

[@borinvlogs]

I used to consume a lot of Western media, which shaped my perception of China and its society based on propaganda. However, anyone with the opportunity should visit and experience China firsthand. You’ll quickly realize that much of what Western media and governments portray is far from the truth. China is an incredible country, and its people are genuinely proud of their nation’s development, guided by an effective government and leadership. I deeply admire China. Their cities are stunning, modern, clean, and advanced while their rich history and cultural heritage are meticulously preserved. Everyone I met in China was friendly, helpful, and generous. When it comes to infrastructure and large-scale projects, no one can match China’s achievements. They are already a superpower, and this truly is their century. Go China! ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@christophreuter9572]

Ok Xi!

[@TD1237]

Agreed. The proper gander from the west isn't even new. If you read about historical relations, you'd see that proper gander about China and other Asian countries was always a large focus of the US.

[@odds87]

Nice bot

[@reubenwilkinson6493]

@@TD1237proper gander ! Ha . Like a real goose rather than a fake one

[@justicerules1373]

​@@odds87, he is telling the truth but u are not. Go to China and see for yourself.

[@profdraper]

Who on earth said “these Chinese batteries are not very good quality”? Is that a British social media racism thing? Clearly, the Chinese are now making the very best EV batteries in the world & as evidenced by CATL & BYD & as evidences in the many EV brands they are used in, including Tesla. A very odd comment this one.

[@BMWHP2]

The Chinese EV's are so much better than everything legacy auto can make. Even Ford CEO Jim Farley will tell you. GWM are in the same price range as legacy auto. Better go for BYD and Dongfeng for quality and affordability. The Seagul is way less than the Dongfeng Nammi Box, the Box wins hands down for price/range/quality.

[@TD1237]

This applies to ICE vehicles as well. Here in South Africa, we've been getting a lot of Chinese cars lately, and they're just so much better than the legacy automakers' offerings. Not just "better for the money". I mean they're way better in general. They just happen to be more affordable.

[@DaveDVideoMaker]

To be fair, I wanna see the Dongfeng Box in the UK. It's gone on sale in Malaysia and Singapore as RHD, and are available in a few European markets including Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, Switzerland and Norway.

[@ridley68]

Describing the GWM ORA as "cheap" when it starts at £32k in the UK demonstrates the problem. I'd love an EV but when the "cheap" cars are £32k i cannot afford. BTW the ORA in China is £11k

[@HNRichard]

That's because in China they are heavily subsidized and discounted by brands so that people buy them. I also heard that people would trade-in their EVs like they trade-in their phones for newer ones every time there's a new version coming out etc. All in all, the EV market is over saturated there thats why they sell cheap and also they're trying to sell them outside of China to overcome the incoming decline of government support for local brands. I live in south east asia and there are 10 new Chinese brands that gets introduced this year and all of them just converted their LHD model to RHD in a hurry to introduce it to us, plus having fierce price competition with each other. It's quite a show to see, but I don't know how they'll survive in a long run.

[@trevorberridge6079]

The average price of a new car for the last ten years has been around £35k. The base Ora sits just below that mark. It's not expensive. It's also not the only EV in the world. So using it to support the old and totally false idea that EVs are generally too expensive is weak water. Firstly, as your own statement implies, if China were not caned with high tariffs they could sell the Ora in the UK much closer to the £11k price tag of China. Secondly you don't even need to look to China for cheap EVs in the UK. The Dacia Spring can be bought for under £15k new. It's about the third cheapest car you can get whether ICE or EV. The fact is that if you can't afford a £32k car then you can't afford most of the new ICE cars on the market either. And this is the tip of the iceberg. The fact is that EVs have passed the point where they will always be cheaper to make than an equivalent ICE car. Once certain dealers stop bumping up the prices falsely when they realise their more honest competitors are undercutting them we'll see prices fall again and again. Sub £20k EVs are here. Just a fact.

[@jasonmugridge]

VW ID3 £12,000 in China and still not selling well enough because of all the local competition.

[@yezih2694]

@@HNRichard heavy subsidy my ass, 2024 Toyota Corolla cost £9k in China brand new, I don’t think they subsidize Toyota.

[@dwinterx]

@@trevorberridge6079 They already are! I just bought a pre-reg Nissan Leaf (74 plate) for 18K, very nice car!

[@LuckyM-l2u]

Compared with fuel vehicles, electric vehicles are a dimensionality reduction attack. Those who still think that fuel vehicles are better are really conservative. Electric vehicles are more intelligent, more environmentally friendly, no noise, more energy-efficient, and have almost no maintenance costs. It is ridiculous that some people still think that fuel vehicles are better with so many advantages. Do you like to smell the gasoline and listen to the noise of the engine? If so, then you can continue to drive your antique fuel vehicle.😃😃

[@alext3811]

The issue is making them more affordable and upgrading infrastructure if possible nationally. Japan for example can't scale their grid, since they're closing nuclear plants for a variety of reasons.

[@othmanhassanmajid8192]

Just drive it in the garage if you have to😂

[@klaxoncow]

Mind you, if the Chinese can continue to make their EVs super-cheap - no "EV premium" as there's no ICE version to protect - then there's the prospect that, even with tariffs, they still remain competitive with the "EV Premium" European cars, which are all aimed at the luxury end anyway. This channel has been (rightly) saying forever that what's needed is a cheap "people's EV". Not a luxury SUV super car, with a million electronic features and a ridiculous price tag. Just a simple EV that works well for a cheap price. If China responds to that call - which they can, because they've produced super-cheap EVs for their own markets - then they could still kick arse, even with all the tariffs applied on top.

[@garywilson6047]

In my job I have driven almost every car out there from cheap Citroen’s to Bentley’s and just about everything in between. In my experience European cars are very expensive for what they are. They are always going back for mostly electrical issues. German cars are actually among the worst for reliability. If the Chinese make rubbish cars then nobody will buy them for very long. But if they are good, then it will hopefully bring down the European car prices. Win win as far as I can see.

[@willienelsongonzalez4609]

If Chinese EV companies can make more vehicles in Europe then it will definitely give established legacy brands a kick up the backside!

[@connorcameronjaggs]

@@willienelsongonzalez4609 id love to think so but I think the reality will most likely be china steam rolling the EU market.

[@connclissmann6514]

I found this to be a most bizarre take on tariffs and Brexit. Local (EU) experience shows BYD and the rest (or their national distributor) charge the highest price they believe the market will pay, typically pitched just below the price of any similar Tesla. Nothing to do with tariffs not yet in place, nothing to do with VAT or safety belt height, just extract the highest possible price. Where are these Chinese EVs in the teens of thousands you so ably report on from China? FCS profits from these brands exhibiting at your shows so I understand you can't challenge them, which is why I am here. Thanks for all your videos, here and on your own channel.

[@trevorberridge6079]

Many car brands have boycotted FCS in the past because they DON'T curry favour.

[@davidboskett5581]

Isn't this the way all business is carried out -you charge what the market can bare. Also a country like China will not likely flood the market with cars if it means they will face higher and higher tariffs.We should also understand there is still a bias against Chinese cars similar to what the Japanese faced 60 years ago that will slow their uptake.

[@davidcolin6519]

"Nothing to do with tariffs not yet in place, " Not true, the EU places tariffs on each automaker depending on how many uncompetitive practices the company employs. MG attract the highest tariffs, BYD somewhat lower. The EU only applies tariffs in relation to the uncompetitive practices employed, not on a national position. OTOH, the EU is considering placing blanket tariffs on Chinese products for other reasons, mostly political.

[@richardlabeja]

Britain needs to embrace having Chinese EV factories in the UK.

[@laurencetayloruk]

It won't happen. BYD have ruled out a factory in the UK due to Brexit.

[@richardlabeja]

@@laurencetayloruk True Brexit has turned off a lot of investors when it comes to manufacturing in UK due to slow and complicated exports and imports. UK will have to make some compromises as it is in desperate need for foreign investment that is not from student fees.

[@MAX-ky2ew]

Nope. British need colony China

[@pbworld7858]

Maybe, but do the companies want to invest in the UK? With Keir Starmer at the helm, nobody will want to touch the UK, not even with a barge pole.

[@jimjames-n7e]

No, we don't need that. As usual UK has handed off industry to third parties, it'll never happen but we should be building our own stuff.....but Brits just want everything cheap!

[@SinaDevelops]

God bless China ... 💖💖💖

[@smillner771]

From the UK, and I broadly agree with this conclusion..embrace change rather than fight it and take advantage of a rare brexit benefit. But i'm guessing the dilemma is that the UK is still a major car manufacturer and i expect Nissan etc. are putting significant pressure on the UK government to limit potential flood of Chinese vehicles. In this respect we are probably not in that much of a different position to Germany, France etc and may need to act in unison?

[@profdraper]

You omitted two of the very best & latest (now available in Australia & BZ): The Xpeng G6 & the Zeekr X.

[@nr5494]

Don’t forget that the word ‘fewer’ also exists. Fewer cars, not less cars!!

[@grahamcastle8189]

Affordable is a relative concept and as most of these Chinese cars sell for £30k upwards, twice the price they are in China I don't consider them affordable. With the exception of MG I can count on one hand the number of Chinese made EVs I've seen in the North of Scotland. No if they were on sale for around £20k that would be affordable to most people

[@229andymon]

@@grahamcastle8189 If you see Teslas, they’ll have been made in China.

[@yezih2694]

Without tariffs, most Chinese EV would sell at 15k-25k price range with all the upgrade gadgets you’d have to pay 10k with legacy brands.

[@robupsidedown]

Err Toyota Corolla starts at £30k?

[@jonevansauthor]

I mean - no new car is truly affordable. It's always better to buy second hand. Some people buy new cars, bless their hearts for taking the financial hit because they can't bear to drive something someone else previously owned and might have cooties! :D The fools. Please don't try and put stupid people off buying the new cars that are too expensive! ;)

[@229andymon]

@@grahamcastle8189 North of Scotland perhaps not a place you’d assume to be at the forefront of EV adoption. However, of those you are seeing, I expect many if not most are Teslas. Which will have been made in China.

[@scwebb]

Just bought a used Funky Cat. Picking up tomorrow.

[@BoltRM]

Get back funky cat!

[@Asad-2166]

Let us know how it is

[@DarkSphinxx]

I was looking at the funky cat i think its really cool looking. Will be doing a test drive next week

[@scwebb]

@ I initially test drove one at Everything Electric London Excel earlier this year. Was a lot of fun but didn’t think I’d be buying one. Used prices are crazy right now though and we got one for a steal, test drove it last week and it was still just as fun.

[@biggobmalc8118]

Our energy prices are horrendously high, that alone will most likely deter the likes of China or any other foreign manufacturer for that matter from choosing this country to establish a manufacturing base.

[@quackcement]

No one MENTIONS selling EV'S TO Paraguay, that's an untapped market

[@Asad-2166]

Do they have the infrastructure for EV

[@WAVM2024]

That would be great. Even better, knowing that 100% of Paraguay's energy comes from renewable sources, making it cheaper than energy from fossil fuels.

[@t1n4444]

Hmm ... Because nobody cares? Most people in UK are no longer interested in EVs in the private sector so why on earth would you suppose we'd be interested in a tiny country"s efforts to go all EV? EVs are on their way out in UK. Even the car manufacturers acknowledge this. Battery factories have not emerged as we were promised ... probably on the grounds the money men see little or no return in the short term. Their cash can earn more of a quick return elsewhere. EVs were but a stepping stone to electric vehicles powered by hydrogen. Lugging around an enormous battery which is expensive to repair or replace appears not to make economic sense to the insurance industry. It's the insurance industry who will decide on premiums and if said premiums become too expensive for car owners what do you suppose will happen then? Judging by the naive comments we read at times the main audience to this platform is juveniles who are "stats obsessed" or those who simply want the performance ... until it becomes obvious that using the performance imposes massive penalties on range. We are glibly told that batteries will last "forever" (excuse hyperbole) despite being fast charged and driven fast. Would suggest this platform continues to "flog a dead horse" because their income depends on ads dressed up as infomercials so to speak. Come on Robert for goodness sakes wake up and smell the hydrogen. If Robert and colleagues really supports "all electric cars" then probably a shrewd notion to address hydrogen fuel cell cars sooner rather than later.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

​@@t1n4444 - Still banging the hydrogen transport drum I see. Interetingly those pesky BEV sales worldwide and in the UK are still increasing. Hydrogen vehicles less so, it's not a real interest of purchasers or investors anymore. Nor of government spending, with none of the 11 projects projects with £2b support announced in budget being transport related. Indeed even in the hydrogen mobility halo segment of trucking the automakers are turning their back to hydrogen. As pointed out only a few days ago by the German Institue for Economic Research (DIW), who has called on goverments to focus investment support on battery powered freight transport. One can of course educate oneself about the true timescales, scale of effort and the multitude of external factors involved for hydrogen to start to become a glimmer of a serious proposition. Perhaps the two esteemed UK engineering societies whose recent joint report on the the timeline to reach Net Zero with hydrogen is a good start. As report states, working back from 2050 target to now, hydrogen faces substantial hurdles in many forms - investment, infrastructure, innovation, regulatory and end user acceptance. Even the more modest government 10GW mixed green/grey hydrogen target is noted as requiring substantial factors to be overcome to be realised by 2030. Private sales in the UK are of no interest anymore regardless of fuel-type, although BEVs are still doing better than ICEV still in this sector, this is because the price of all cars has gone up signifcantly and finance is still expensive except for leasing options (PCP or company car), which is how most people fund car purchases these days.

[@jasonmugridge]

@@t1n4444love it, glad someone still has a sense of humour these days 😂😂😂

[@marklola12]

I like the seagul

[@Steven-vo4ee]

It looks great, only issues IMO are lack of split rear seats and rear window wiper, hope European/UK have them.

[@林振华-t4v]

It is hard to believe that US and China fight. But it is the European Union get torn apart. 😂

[@eden5260]

Are you here to practice your English? What is this nonsense you wrote

[@林振华-t4v]

​@@eden5260which part you dont understand. I will try to explain. 😂

[@TD1237]

​@@eden5260Dude. It's really not difficult to understand what he's saying.

[@F23463]

@@eden5260CCP are on to you now 😂

[@eden5260]

@@F23463 they have been for years since my first visit

[@Sunnywu-n2m]

Dear friends, we are an automobile import and export trading company in China. Our company has many new cars, used cars and new energy vehicles. If you are interested in automobiles, we can discuss them together.

[@amjedali5164]

If companies like BYD just match the AUSTRALIAN PRICE TO THE UK THEY WILL SELL LIKE CRAZY.

[@jasonke5061]

It’s not that BYD priced it higher in the UK, on the contrary, it’s the UK lobbyist pressuring the government to add massive tariff/taxes on the imported Chinese cars making the price much higher so that they can protect the few car manufacturing companies(Nissan/ford/Toyota) market’s share.

[@neildolan7177]

According to the Electric Viking, BYD have a high number of warranty claim in China. Its an honest view from a BYD shareholder. I have quite a lot of reports of software issues in the West.

[@Muricans1776]

Jaguar Land Rover is Indian owned so why not China EVs in the UK.

[@1965GJS13]

Something strange happens on the ship somewhere between China a d the UK, and car prices more than double somewhere in the middle of the Indian Ocean.....?

[@mfm2998]

"A car industry expert echoed concerns by Stellantis from July last year - that higher tariffs on exports to Europe, following Brexit could put jobs in jeopardy." This is following the announcement of the closure of a Vauxhall plant due to..Brexit. how would China benefit from opening a factory in Britain if others are failing and we no longer offer easy access to Europe?

[@urbanstrencan]

China car manufacturing is really getting to show the EU that was sleeping on them for too long

[@DaveDVideoMaker]

The Ora 03 has had a success story in Latvia, apparently being the best selling electric car so far in 2024 in the country. I wonder whether they will see cars from other Chinese manufacturers in Latvia from 2025 onwards.

[@alko_xo]

Where are the greatest British car brands - Vauxhall, Ford, Nissan?

[@Kennon959]

Stellantis behemoth, European branch of an American company that's never made a profit & Nissan a company bailed out by Renault that hate Renault a truly British brand by all means.

[@davec110]

@@Kennon959 Nissan is about to go belly up after Renault pull the plug. They've miss the Hybrid and EV train.

[@NickFoster]

Since when was Nissan a British car brand? Their headquarters are in Yokohama, Japan.

[@Steven-vo4ee]

@@NickFoster It's satire, none of them are British, only one which ever was is Vauxhall, but ceased to be 99 years ago.

[@NickFoster]

@@Steven-vo4ee I apologise, I've read soooo many stupid anti-ev comments on news items today I didn't recognise sarcasm without a /s

[@Lando-kx6so]

2:59 Chinese owned British brand**

[@moorevfr]

I can never afford a new big brand car without it causing financial issues so these coming at arms reach and then the 2nd hand market for them as well means people like me can get a what could be a fairly decent car.

[@osman_zengin]

UK was the biggest candidate for Tesla's Gigafactory 4 but lost to Germany despite its monster bureaucracy because of Brexit.

[@ConnorWalsh_briz]

Hidden in the many things to note in this video is… the correct pronunciation of Geely. Woohoo!

[@michaelchomiczewski7937]

BYD's factory in Hungary has not been built yet. So they don't exactly have one just yet😅 thought it is expected they will start making cars there in second half of 2025. It will be interesting to watch, especially quality and price.

[@alext3811]

If only us Americans could get these at a good price. Assuming these aren't the models that catch on fire often. Or maybe that's just for older BYDs.

[@petermuller5275]

I live in Belgium, I'm not seeing "super cheap" Chinese made vehicles anywhere. The price point of all of them is very near that of European manufacturers. And most, not all, are more expensive than comparable Tesla models. Not sure why the media is telling us that Chinese vehicles are soooo much cheaper?

[@connorcameronjaggs]

@@petermuller5275 I can only speak for the UK but they are alot cheaper here. Both MG and BYD are nearly always 9K cheaper than the likes of vauxhall, Kia, Toyota and Nissan

[@ZakiHaider-y9o]

Tariffs by EU

[@TienyeeTien]

The cost is too high in UK.

[@ZakiHaider-y9o]

Blame Tories

[@objection_your_honor]

Did you forget about human greed? How much profit is in a $3000-$10,000 car? They want to make that in profit alone...

[@leostockley415]

The Ora Cat thingy has a starting price of £32k. I’d argue against this being affordable. I often agree with the Fully Charged show point of view but if we keep saying Chinese EVs are affordable and everyone else isn’t then it will be believed. Compared to a lot of Chinese brands companies such as Citroen are offering real value on EVs that also look great. I think a lot of the established brands are trying to make and market EVs based on the customer values of their historic ICE cars. Hence the rather uninspiring VW range. Perhaps they’re not in tune with the generations of buyers and drivers who have grown up with EVs?

[@Danielzsy]

I welcome competition because it's good for consumers. The cheap Chinese goods have been providing multiple choices for billions of non-wealthy people around the world, allowing them to wear the beautiful clothes and enjoying their childhood with toys. It's hard to imagine 10 years ago in China, we did not have the opportunity to take a 400-kilometer/h bullet train, let alone EVs. We endured the same smog as India right now, and our lives were threatened... All this has been improved by technological progress. Technology makes life better：China is now developing nuclear fusion artificial sun, thorium-based nuclear reactors, and solar panels. If successful, people will enter the era of electricity and global warming will also be improved.

[@davelocktalk]

Why is the uk putting tariffs on the Chinese cars? Could be a brexit benefit , it's not like the uk makes anything anyway 😂

[@malaysiaterdedah3934]

UK can't leave US behind. If UK embraces China, it's over.

[@Brewtal2009]

2 words to keep in mind.. data security

[@neildolan7177]

You would have to say that anyone attending an everything electric show would have a consciences bias?

[@lookslikerain75]

Stop saying affordable about 30k plus cars. Ora funky Cat is three times the price in the UK than in China it is not affordable or value for money!

[@RichardHilditch]

The UK prices are what other cars already cost here. We pay much more for all cars. Maybe competition will bring down prices but I doubt it. I think the manufacturers all price high in the UK like a cartel.

[@trevorberridge6079]

The base Ora is CHEAPER than the average car price in the UK. Just a fact.

[@jasonmugridge]

@@RichardHilditchsupply and demand, enough competition and prices will start to come down.

[@amandagrant4331]

But even so, Chinese cars are still accused of being cheap, showing how greedy manufacturers from other countries are?

[@rinnin]

Does the ORA support Apple CarPlay yet?

[@toyotaprius79]

I wouldn't be surprised if a factory were to be built in Northern Ireland like the old Deloreons further taking advantage of Brexit and the eu market.

[@lostwanderingdrifter]

It’s unfortunate that the Seagull is priced at an absurdly high price for the 300km NEDC. EVs in general in the Philippines are priced absurdly high rendering it less attractive in contrast to its comparable ICE counterpart.

[@Lewis_Standing]

Are Chinese EVs the first brexit benefit? EU have anti Chinese car tariffs, we don't have to align to protect German manufacturing.....

[@i6power30]

Germany actually voted against tarrifs on Chinese EV. I think EU will turn around. only the US will be isolated islands of gas guzzling pickup trucks.

[@scwebb]

Weirdly the German automotive industry would rather the EU weren’t aligning to protect their manufacturing 🙄

[@229andymon]

@@scwebb Not so weird, China is the world’s biggest car market by a country mile and one many western companies have made, and are still making, fortunes in. Not easy sanctioning yourself from that market.

[@Lewis_Standing]

​@@229andymon foreign brands market share is absolutely crashing in China. Their hay day of massive profits in China is over.

[@229andymon]

@@Lewis_Standing Yup, and they sat watching that train come down the line.

[@gaza2322]

Hoho. The EU & the US aren’t stupid, they will just slap tariffs on Chinese cars manufactured here.

[@peterjol]

love that final comment ...'we need to embrace change rather than fighting it'.......absolutely.

[@aussie2uGA]

lol, that's not what is happening in America with the new election ;)

[@MikhailMamontov-c6h]

The future is for the public transportation. Even individual EVs in the future will be to expensive to charge. Look at all these falling roads and bridges outside of fancy cities.

[@BlackBuck777]

5:07 China only wants to send the UK CKD units - that's something of a turnaround is it not?. Remember the days the UK sent out CKD cars to all and sundry? How times change.

[@jtkrpm1]

EV's and the "green" push was always going to help China

[@ddeightonuk]

Caveat Emptor applies here, many models and companies will be transient in this era of software defined vehicles and I see no regulation, SystemUK or EU, that mandates parts, software updates or service availability for say 10 years; or a requirement for manufacturers to provide an insurance backed bond if vehicles are in anyway 'bricked'. And then there are the Geopolitical risks. Beware what you wish for

[@mokulashi]

instead of sanction/tariff Chinese EV , get those Chinese to estimate local EV factories to create jobs is what a smart leader should do

[@TD1237]

Even if the leaders are smart enough to know that, I don't think the general population in the western world will understand how that would be a good thing. Tariffs appeal to the public because they make it appear as if they're 'standing up' to China (i.e. standing up to the country they've been politically and militarily bullying for decades on end). The herd mentality does the people no favours. Unfortunately for the western world, I think this is an end of an era.

[@pipiqiqi4010]

but it will be called a concern to the country security by the government

[@ZakiHaider-y9o]

Your govt disallowed or

[@Hunter-EVOutback]

RHD cars are coming to Australia also...🎉 Dolfins are in Oz BTW

[@andrean2247]

If you doubt chinese car, does Europe lying with their Ncap test?

[@justme6275]

consumers want VALUE.

[@danielmadar9938]

Thanks

[@stephenmuir6484]

When nobody in Europe has a job who will buy all these wonderful cars?

[@trevorberridge6079]

Did you not know that none of the major motor manufacturers in the UK are British? They are all owned by other countries including China. The London Taxi Cabs are Chinese. If you think other countries making all the cars is going to kill the car industry in Europe then you haven't been paying attention.

[@jasonmugridge]

They should have thought of that in the first place. Paying off all our debts with inflation was always going to end in tears.

[@stevenbarrett7648]

The robots that employ us of course !

[@DavidKnowles0]

@@trevorberridge6079 i wouldn't be surprised if Britain biggest revenue from automotive industry is the boring design and safety and testing bit. Tech dev as well. Not making the things.

[@DavidKnowles0]

@@jasonmugridge You don't pay off debts with inflation, you make the debt look smaller.

[@koenraad4618]

Let the Chinese cars roll in, and develop something much better: Protean's R&D project for mass production of the power electronics needed for its super efficient hub motors, Aptera's super efficient EV in mass production, much better solid-state batteries in mass production, rare-earth-element-free super magnets (Niron), etc ..... Import tariffs are nice for big brother governments but not nice for consumers, it is an innovation killer. Governments should only support national R&D and national innovation, but this means civil servants actually need to do their homework and dive deep into technology and exact science, and this is hard. Civil servants are lazy bones "alphas" and need to be betas, so consumers get their energy neutral and optimal performing cars for a bargain.

[@namingshard17]

why they still put that BUILD YOUR DREAM model on display lmao

[@ianrob4760]

I have the MG4 and now can get mine new at 26.5K and it is the top of the range ... never mind what second hand is now and no regrets at all

[@stevenbarrett7648]

Second hand, lets do what the spin doctors do and call it Pre-loved !

[@DavidKnowles0]

@@stevenbarrett7648 Looking for new parents to adopt it.

[@Lost_Johnny]

Wiil EU tariffs be applied in the UK? As the UK is not part of the EU anymore they don't have to.

[@neildolan7177]

I am sure that the MG is designed in house by MG engineers & not the Chinese. The Chinese just own the brand. The mistake is manufacturing it in China. My friend had a MG & it was riddled with electrics bugs that the dealer could not fix.

[@pbworld7858]

Aren't the London e-buses from BYD?

[@hamshackleton]

Where are all the hatchbacks and estates? Apart from the MG5 there don't appear to be any!

[@brackcycle9056]

How will Britain earn its money in the future ?

[@NighthunterNyx]

Hmmm when the Nissan and Toyota factories in UK close and 150K Brit’s are left without income will you celebrate the lack of taxes? …and yeah when done with your factories Chinese subsidies will dry up and the prices will rise quickly. Now they give 7 to 10K Euro per car to destroy other brands…. Also the Brexit point makes no sense. As you said factories go in Poland and Hungary for cheaper labor. No one will build factory on UK where labor is expensive and there is no guarantee of tariff free export to any big market. EU can and will slap tariffs on UK imports same as Chinese imports if the cars are subsidized as they are from China.…. UK is done for after Brexit

[@Lando-kx6so]

B/c of Brexit & Trump's presidency the UK could really play the US, EU, & China off each other & benefit hugely from them

[@seymorefact4333]

⭐⭐⭐⭐ I'm in the US. I want the option to buy a Chinese EV! I love the Huawei Avatr 11 & 12! But, protectionism stupidity will get us inferior overpriced GM & Fords!

[@rogerhudson9732]

Watch Elliot's videos on the Xpeng 9, a fantastic vehicle like the best luxury Toyota people carriers.

[@Theadamvok]

sorry, but this was a rather half-baked report. I was waiting for the intro to stop and the actual information to be presented, but then it was over. Questions: - how can brexit help this? - why is the UK in a strategic position? also with EV sales in China it's worth noting that a huge amount of electric cars sold wouldn't be considered "a car" in Europe, they're more like a golf cart.

[@sameerabubaker369]

Chinese ev only lacks an English designer…rest of everything is top notch

[@gwilymselwood]

What is the good of that Brexit freedom even if excercised if our economy and industry is totally screwed over by the brexitdisaster. It’s completely hypothetical to suggest there is any benefit at all

[@alko_xo]

4:43 And this position is called "Mama Maggie’s just dropped the soap in the shower in front of Uncle John.

[@DarkSphinxx]

I want to try the Yangwang - it looks really cool , very strong

[@hernebaybob]

It’s amazing

[@garrehsponges]

People need cheap and quality EVs, China has them and can deliver them en-mass. Governments want uptake of EV/Eco for the benefit of the planet, so surely this would be something they want - but no, because VW and GM Motors are lobbying against it because they cannot compete and know it would hurt their bottom line. So the "solution" is to strangle the free market with tarrifs, causing inflation and stifling push towards EV/eco lifestyle. There is a conflict of interest there that will eventually be realised, hopefully.

[@hayden1770]

The only automobile I ever want to buy is a Chinese EV. Too bad I live in the United States of America instead of the People's Republic of China.

[@davidpenlington2753]

Freedom!!!!

[@TD1237]

Thankfully I live in South Africa. And with our electricity issues finally being fixed, we're very likely to go more EV-focused in the coming years. We already have BYD's here, along with tons of ICE vehicles from China.

[@hayden1770]

@@davidpenlington2753 Yes, since I live in USA, my freedom is severely limited here. I cannot speak out against Israel or many other parties for fear of arrest, retribution, or losing employment (like that actress fired from Scream 7). I am constantly bombarded with mainstream media propaganda from CNN, Fox News, MSNBC. About 75% (about 250 million people) of my fellow citizens are trapped financially, living paycheck to paycheck, due to the disasterious mismanagement of the cost of living by our economic system and political body. I cannot walk outside late at night on the streets of many major cities for fear of getting mugged, raped, stabbed, or shot. I cannot travel by affordably AND quickly due to the nation's outdated and neglicted infrastructure.