Questionable Life Advice with Jordan Peterson (with ethan is online)

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06:35 jordan peterson loves peter pan
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26:13 jordan peterson's graphic grandma tale
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today me and ethan is online are watching a life advice alpha male advice video with an excerpt of a jordan peterson lecture or something about peter pan and tinkerbell i really have no idea okay, and then we look at jordan peterson narrating his book about his grandma's parts being used as a paintbrush you'll see it's wild
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[@juliamuffinmonster1838]

Okay as a librarian this is going to bother me until I correct this: JORDAN PETERSON ALMOST GOT THE POINT OF PETER PAN AND THEN SAILED RIGHT PAST IT. So Peter Pan started as a collection of stories that the novelist J.M. Barrie wrote for a family of children he became very close to and eventually became the guardian of, much like how Alice in Wonderland or Winnie the Pooh were originally written by novelists looking to entertain children they either were the father of or filled in as a paternal figure for. The theme of these stories is about time, but not in the horrible, gloomy way Jordan Peterson depicts it. Instead, it's an homage to the magic and wonder that seems possible in childhood, and how it SEEMS like it would be a utopia to live in that space forever, but how everyone has to make the choice, eventually, to go back to reality and grow up or they'll be lost in oblivion forever. Also, Wendy is implied to have a cute little grade school crush on Peter in several versions of the text, but there's NO ROMANTIC STORYLINE OR LESSONS IN ANY OF THE ORIGINAL TEXTS BECAUSE THEY'RE WRITTEN FOR CHILDREN AND THAT'D BE FUCKING WEIRD. Jordan Peterson always has to make it WEIRD. Captain Hook is symbolic of, basically, strict adults who try to make children grow up too fast. His nemesis the crocodile DOES represent time (he swallowed a clock and is always ticking, remember), but he's only Captain Hook's nemesis - not anyone else's. In the books, Captain Hook comes from Eton (very fancy and very strict university) and is obsessed with being a "proper" pirate and following the rules. He's the only grownup in Neverland presumably because he left Neverland and then after university came back, and by the end of the book the time crocodile swallows him whole. The implication of this, which Jordan Peterson COMPLETELY MISSES, is that adults who try to assuage their own fear of death by controlling the young and telling them what they should and shouldn't do will eventually get swallowed by their own mortality. They're even sadder figures than a lost boy (someone who remains a child because as a baby wandered away from their parents and no one loved them enough to come get them). Lost Boys are lost because the lack of parental love means they never get to grow up. But Captain Hook COULD grow up, and he did grow up, and now he's trying to escape from the fact that he's a grownup and has limited time by imposing himself and his anxieties on those whose time is seemingly limitless. SEEMS LIKE A THING JORDAN PETERSON COULD LEARN FROM??? ANYWAY.

[@danny98432]

I now see Peter Pan in a brand new light holy shit

[@juliaa.4102]

I WAS GONNA SAY when ethan and gabi were like so lost i felt like "wait why am i following jordan peterson's logic" and i realized it's just cuz i know the story of peter pan pretty well at this point - and thank you for this breakdown cuz ur EXACTLY RIGHT!!! god bless librarians (from ur local art historian in training)

[@neothepenguin1257]

I just read this entire comment and I gotta say you’re a great storyteller. Thanks for sharing :)

[@DMO-DMO-DMO]

Bravo! This is seriously a million dollar comment and I thank you

[@mediaguyking7045]

Also the tinkerbell part was hilarious, the only part that made sense of of Petersons analysis was how Peter and Wendy’s relationship has no future, also didn’t Peter Pan had a crush on Wendy’s daughter

[@neildiamondcuttr]

The irony of Jordan Peterson saying “who wants to be king of the lost boys?” While BEING the king of the real world lost boys is too juicy to not mention.

[@ahabalheis2478]

Aren't we all lost

[@neildiamondcuttr]

@@ahabalheis2478 not like JP fanboys.

[@ahabalheis2478]

Fair enough

[@willywakka7830]

True but he's telling them to grow up

[@nat2002]

@@willywakka7830 if it worked there wouldnt be any left lmao

[@TheSkyHazCloudz]

I remember being a young teenager, and waves of men in comment sections about anything even remotely political or feminist would be telling me and others that we really ought to look into Jordan Peterson. That Jordan Peterson was just this stellar mind, that his arguments were so irrefutable that if we'd only take a look at him, we'd immediately fall out of our liberal delusion. That he was simply objectively right, he's just so smart and his arguments are infallible. And because I was so young, and because so many people said it with so much confidence, thoughts started to creep into the back of my mind that maybe they're right. There exists this titan of a debater that could just destroy my beliefs with ease. Now that I'm older and it's become a wider trend for people to critique Jordan, I am finally actually seeing his arguments. And... this is their champion? This is your secret weapon? The pinnacle of intellect? Fucking YIKES, dude.

[@brumbrum987654321]

Yep. So glad his era came to an end

[@SUPERSONICGIRLIFY]

To be fair, those types viewed Ben Shapiro as a similar titan of conservative debate. LOL

[@Anonymous-bi5pv]

Men moment

[@elleembee6335]

My ex-husband bought my daughter one of his books when she was 16. I explained his ideology about women and religion to my daughter. She was fine with me throwing the book away. That's the only time in my life that throwing a book away (no matter how damaged the others might have been) didn't bother me. And now she's a lovely adult that wasn't burdened with that pseudopsychology crap he peddles while still impressionable. She's been able to choose for herself instead of falling in with his cult.

[@SabatSch95]

Hilarious that you think feminism is the pinnacle of intellectualism. You haven't even so much as tried.

[@nicolaslg1421]

What's really annoying is that the message he's trying to convey is actually good, but he's so self-important and tragically ineffective at expressing himself, that the point gets completely lost. What he's trying to say is basically: When you are a child, you have many possible paths in life ahead of you. But as you grow up, you have to choose one path and, in the process, sacrifice all the others. And if you don't actively choose a path and instead walk aimlessly through life, you might wake up one day and find yourself stuck in a place that you don't like and might be very hard to change. There you go. I said in a paragraph what Jordan struggled for 20 minutes to say.

[@Pragabond]

That is the part about Jordan Peterson that I find so exhausting. Sometimes he has decent messages to convey but even most of those are just like....really fucking lukewarm takes like "if you don't make anything of yourself it'll just get harder for you" but then just stumbles through expressing it with every brand of fart smelling and overtaxing the point imaginable until it turns into a half hour long spiel. None of it is even remarkably deep or advice you can't find in 95% of self help books but he ties in all the incel bullshit and you have a life changing father messiah

[@chapablo]

You didn't mention p*rn or plumbers. 3/10

[@bubblegirl6129]

👏 thanks for the translation! 😂

[@cloudoftime]

But this is exactly why Jordan Peterson has his place. There's a reason he's so highly regarded by so many people. I find many of his views to be ridiculous, but his narrative approach works for and appeals to some people. You assume his highly metaphorical and stylistic approach is him being "self-important," when if you were looking at this in good faith you might see that he is just attempting to find a way to reach people who haven't been reached through other methods.

[@dengar96]

​@@cloudoftime I thought his wandering narrative speech was more a product of years of drug abuse and being hyped up by middle school boys on Twitter rather than an intentional choice but that's just me.

[@LisaJane11709]

Fun fact: Amazon has a "freelance" audio captioning gig that I "worked" for for several months as a baby transcriber. They pay barely anything, pit employees against each other to "check" the accuracy of their work, and jobs are out of context short clips of audio that an employee is expected to transcribe extremely quickly. So when a company hires this service, they're having their audio (not even video) captioned by dozens of people each working with a 30 second clip of audio. Whenever I see an obvious error like "Herc" vs "Hook" I think of the fact some poor "freelance" worker is being payed pennies to listen to 10 seconds of Jordan Peterson and desperately figure out what he's trying to say.

[@gnikayam]

I did this w the company “rev”. same exact situation. I didn’t last long.

[@LisaJane11709]

@@gnikayam it seems to be an industry standard for entry level transcription work, which is awful. Luckily, the market is being overrun with AI. Once it becomes cheaper to buy software than abuse workers we can count on things changing a bit.

[@DeathnoteBB]

Damn that explains some errors I’ve seen in captioning. I’m always like “What? In context that’s clearly X, not Y!” Turns out they don’t GET context 😭

[@_skud]

@@gnikayam hahaha I stopped working with rev when I was assigned audio that sounded like it was from a Nintendo dsi with severe water damage while the speaker was mumbling with a very heavy accent. 30 second clip that would have paid me a dollar and some change and probably taken at least an hour.

[@jonahwalker1042]

paid***

[@blackandwhite8388]

He’s the epitome of a kid yelling a story and they just keep saying “and then, and then, and then” and none of it ever connects

[@joelbedulla4]

Lol yes

[@christopherhammond5142]

My daughter's ten and she's getting past that point in story writing already. I suppose people learn at different paces, though. Maybe one day he'll catch up to her?

[@RexMiseriae]

So he’s my dads fiancé’s daughter

[@kahyui2486]

Once upon a time in a far away land...

[@bowsandaro]

@@kahyui2486 There was a fairy of corn named Tinkerbell.

[@kenbonds7195]

I’d love to speak about “how plumbers save more lives than doctors” it’s a little misleading but it does make me feel good about being a plumber. If you didn’t have indoor plumbing there would be a wide variety of diseases growing inside your house. Your waste HAS to go out of your house otherwise you WILL die of some disease or another. Definitely don’t save people the way doctors do, it’s more of a preventative saving

[@mikemcdonald4476]

It’s frustrating how they pause him in the middle of his thought to ridicule him, then when he finishes his thought now out of context it sounds like a bad comedian. Plumbing has saved more lives than doctors hands down.

[@bsings7928]

Oh shit the more you know! Thanks dude

[@vlad5042]

yeah peterson is ridiculous but i kinda dont think these people are informed enough about pretty much anything to do a takedown of him

[@stanleyyelnats9159]

Came to the comments for *this*. You're doing the Lord's work Skater McGee

[@lavandolouca6630]

Result is the same

[@DoctorDuto]

After hearing the grandma dream, I'm convinced Jordan's the type of guy who'd cause a genie to create a 4th rule.

[@dengar96]

"There are three rules" "I connected the jungian archetypes with the state of..." "There are 4 rules"

[@BrinkoBronko]

Jordan Peterson's interpretation of Peter Pan sounds like an essay I would have wrote in high school on a book I didn't read, and I instead used sparknotes.

[@joan6096]

🤣 I was always fretting because I couldn’t read fast enough that I’d end up writing until 4am 😅 the story of how I became a night owl

[@ewarwoowar9938]

And if you got high before writing it.

[@AdDelayed]

And weren't seen by the school counselor as much as you probably should have been

[@davidwinn2575]

He's an idiot, but I don't think it's a stretch to read into the tensions between childhood and adulthood in the Peter Pan story. It doesn't prove anything of his own batshit ideology, but the symbolism is there.

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

"so uh, Death of a Salesman is actually about uh, how Willy Loman is a metaphor for uh, sex, and when he kills himself it's like how Nicola told me she'd rather kill herself than have sex with me"

[@sm8733]

Ah yes, we all know the classic literary icons: "Wendy The Conservative" and Tinkerbell The Fairy Of Porn"

[@ragnar97]

Wendy acts motherly towards the other kids and tries to be the voice of reason while tinkerbell simply wants peter pan for herself and to keep having fun. The analogy is not that far off.

[@joelbedulla4]

@@ragnar97 so acting motherly makes Wendy a Conservative?

[@ragnar97]

@@joelbedulla4 Ask a liberal. Although most likely they'll simply start an argument about what being motherly even means and why should a woman act as such

[@mcswashbuckler3833]

@@ragnar97 what? why not just answer the question? What do you mean, "ask a liberal"? You made the argument, just clarify why you apparently think only conservatives are capable of "acting motherly" and "being the voice of reason".

[@ragnar97]

@@mcswashbuckler3833 Does it need explaining? Being the stay at home mom running around trying to keep the kids in check is a traditional role, ergo conservative. Tinkerbell just wants everybody to act on impulse. How many conservative mothers have you met that would act like tinkerbell or encourage the kids to act like she encourages the lost boys to act? Because, in my experience, they'd act more like wendy Wendy= tradition, proper manners, order = conservative Tinkerbell = rebelion, breaking the rules, chaos = not conservative It's not fucking rocket science. And for morons, I'm not even saying one is better than the other, just saying that's what they represent. Please, do tell how wendy doesn't represent a conservative perspective while tinkerbell represents a more liberal one?

[@rebeccaemily6203]

"grandma pubes, dimly lit" is just the sequel to "baby shoes, never worn"

[@JesusOfPaign]

underrated comment

[@timeittells]

this is a hit omg

[@eggabooha1212]

i had the fun experience of having my therapist recommend i watch jordan peterson! So I'm looking for a new therapist.

[@luna-p]

That's nuts

[@elleembee6335]

I'm so glad you saw him for what he is. I hope your path through therapy is much smoother with the next one.

[@widewatching338]

So you’re taking the advice of 2 unemployed 20 year old influencers, over 2 licensed therapists… Do you even want to get better?

[@eggabooha1212]

@@widewatching338 No, I'm taking the advice of my close family and others and my own research. I took action before I watched this video, I wouldn't just leave blindly. His ideals and outlook does not flow with mine. Use common sense, of course I wouldn't just go off a singular reaction commentary video.

[@EdgyEspresso]

@@widewatching338this isn’t the comment you think it is random internet person. Get help

[@WhatsTherapy]

As a mental health professional, I just want to thank Jordan Peterson for no longer being a therapist.

[@OGimouse1]

And not just because of his beliefs on conversion therapy

[@Oceanww]

@@OGimouse1 you didn’t read the bill

[@RoKer13]

Wait THIS guy was a therapist?! WTF… I second this as a mental health professional lol

[@aryzen2781]

hopefully you dont help people with mental health.

[@QuikVidGuy]

@@Oceanww you didn't read anything

[@bugsized]

If Jordan is referencing the like Greek god Pan, that is very much NOT what Peter Pan is based off of and very much NOT what Pan is the god of jesus christ

[@ByzantineDarkwraith]

you're mostly right, but if you google it apparently the name is based on the god, but I don't think there's much more of a connection than the name (which was chosen because they both play the flute, I think), so... yeah

[@starrr365]

I guess he's thinking that pan means all in greek but I'm pretty sure that's not where the god Pan's name comes from

[@spookyho5994]

it’s like he’s mashing together the meaning of the word pan, the Greek god and Peter Pan and pretending it’s the same thing like what

[@jamesstonehouse3448]

​@@spookyho5994 he did say "roughly" a lot too, so there's that. The guy just spouts words and twaddles on and on about very nearly nothing. I don't understand why he has so many fans.

[@jamesstonehouse3448]

oh wow that reading at the end just takes the cake!

[@caleighhraee]

Jordan Peterson talks the same way my grandpa did after he had a stroke. Like I kinda know what he’s trying to say, and I can connect most of it, but I am devoid of all meaning I was supposed to retain after hearing it. But I’m so glad he’s getting better and never stops trying. Maybe one day Jordan Peterson will make sense, my grandpa has already fully recovered.

[@risky_busine55]

Ok but the metaphor of aging being the central theme of Peter Pan is actually an interesting and very supported interpretation, hook being chased by a thing that ticks like a clock and intends to consume him while he's aging is a very clear metaphor for his fear of mortality, Peter doesn't have that, he's still a kid and remains as such, but Wendy refusing to start with him could be read as her refusing to avoid growing up. Hook is the dear if death and Peter is the denial of death. Peterson does sound fucking insane with all this chaos dragon and horny Tinkerbell shit tho

[@tabbiesandtostrulz]

I'm not trying to sound mean, but literally anyone that's watched/read peter pan knows that. I barely passed high school and I know that aging is the central theme of peter pan😂 Peterson is a clown

[@tabbiesandtostrulz]

@UCYXdaiNVEhnkgnk1pLX4Ltg hes a joke because he blames addicts for being addicts despite being a recovering addict himself. Hes a joke because the thing that made him famous was him completely misinterpreting bill c-16(it makes it illegal to refuse to hire or rent to someone because of their gender identity) the guy spreads dehumanizing ideals to impresionable incels

[@zack-lk8if]

congrats.....you got the entire point of the story. "very supported interpretation" like bruh it's the whole lesson

[@Viennery]

To be fair, Tinker bell is a half naked pixie. He can look at her, but can never really be romantically involved with her, so using porn as a metaphor actually works really well. However, i'm not sure if porn existed when the book was reading, so she could simply represent lust and unattachment instead of love.

[@risky_busine55]

@@zack-lk8if yeah but like that's my point, you can very obviously see that that's what the story is about, my point is that Peterson is so desperate to say something new and profound that he ends up saying nothing at all

[@sierrajohnson717]

The adult version of that kid that can’t escape his sentence. “You know when you, that, you like, and you-“

[@tupaclives5848]

Have you ever had a dream?

[@niteshade2271]

LMAO

[@josephtaylor4115]

You want him to do you so much you could do anything?

[@Littlefluffykittycat]

Pleasure Island is in Pinocchio. They lure the boys in the movie to the island amusement park to make them think they can do whatever they want and have fun, and then they turn them into donkeys and make them work or something like that. That part always scared me as a child. Edit: After hearing him say sell them to the salt mines, he’s definitely referencing Pinocchio’s pleasure island. He must have a thing for Disney movies.

[@0CryingAngel0]

If he was for going after Disney because seemingly they have more influence to shape young childrens' minds, I would've had very little against it. Instead he's not saying "look out for brainwashing", it seems he's just wanting the people who get brainwashed in the end to blame themselves - which is probably what he's doing to himself too.

[@nicolaslg1421]

Wait, so he's mixing up Disney movies?

[@derutceldoor7410]

@@dragonflyswataswata5135 what part don't you understand

[@dragonflyswataswata5135]

@@derutceldoor7410 I think they corrected It there was a misspelled word so I didn't understand what they were trying to say I got the Overall message tho

[@michaelhaydenbell]

He absolutely does. He uses them as these grand allegories for the human condition fuckin numerous times from what I've seen and gets VERY upset when Disney does things he doesn't like.

[@krackkokichi]

ethan just straight up revising peter pans history lmfao. he is *not* part of grimms fairy tails

[@FaiaHalo]

There's a reason why he's the KING of word salads: saying tons of "big" words without actually saying anything.

[@kaws3076]

Nah you are just slow

[@sighcantthinkofaname]

My main connection with Peter Pan is the book. Wendy DOES wanna be a mother. It's the main reason Peter takes her to Neverland, there aren't any lost girls because girls are too smart to get lost, and he's thrilled to have a mother to take care of him. But like it's never meant to be literal, the story is based around children's imaginations and they are essentially playing house. Iirc Wendy also has a pet wolf.

[@Anonymous-bi5pv]

Basically, using JP's "logic", Wendy is the ideal conservative tradwife. (Important to note she's also like 10 years old lmfao)

[@mitchellmiller5064]

@@Anonymous-bi5pv He said she's representative of a conservative because she is future and work orientated while the lost boys only want to explore the magic of youth. Wendy takes care of her siblings and acts with responsibility. He didn't mean a politically conservative woman, he's talking about what the character respresents, not the character in herself.

[@anonghost2070]

@@mitchellmiller5064 yeah I agree, I feel like he was taken in really bad faith in this video when he had some pretty legit interpretations

[@Manigeitora]

@@Anonymous-bi5pv She's 10 years old, yeah, the ideal conservative wife.

[@riley2243]

gabi got to 50k!! does that make us good gatekeepers for getting her to these milestones or bad gatekeepers for allowing people to find her….??? i’m having a whole crisis here

[@lemonscentedchipmunk6451]

.............Why would you do that to me? I'm not gonna be able to stop thinking about this now

[@riley2243]

@@lemonscentedchipmunk6451 it was my plan all along. you fell right into my trap

[@DMO-DMO-DMO]

I just recently found her and I'm so glad I did

[@Aeiouaaaaaaaaa]

Morally grey gatekeepers

[@zammoof]

Idk, but im glad

[@joshuashibley6780]

there actually is a statistic somewhere that says more deaths have been prevented by waste removal (plumbing and garbage guys) than by our actual healthcare system. basically if you had one group that has plumbing and garbage removal but no healthcare, and another that leaves shit and garbage everywhere, but has excelent healthcare systems, the first group would be healthier

[@goldensloth7]

that's what i figured!

[@schibleh531]

It's a sign that you have a very shitty health care system. On a side note, how can you have an excellent healthcare system with shit and garbage everywhere? Like, did you ever set foot in a hospital or have surgery? I did and let me tell you, the amount of sanitation that is required to keep those places going is insane.

[@Ase832]

@@schibleh531 you don’t live in a hospital. There’s the entire world that has pollution and other sorts of garbage that affects our lives

[@randomenvelope]

Hospitals also need plumbing to keep sanitation on the up and up. Cant have a good health care system with shitty plumbing

[@Pooky1991]

Its all public health. Healthcare, infrastructure, and sanitation go hand in hand. It is why many enviromental and public health iissues need to be taken more seriously. They can all lead to a good healthcare system because a cleaner enviroment means less health risk from polution, waste, and even second hand smoke and regulations on food and drugs to better detect contaminates and uphold safety standards. Same goes for social health as well; better safety nets for the poor and better education equals better health outcomes and a decline in crime, issues like abuse, and overall a healthier population.

[@amandal4144]

This reminds me of the AP Literature class I took my senior year of high school in which we were expected to write full length essays explaining our interpretations of literary works we read in class. The idea is that no interpretation is really wrong, because if you can actually write an essay that actually supports your argument, then there’s clearly some kind of real basis there. There’s always a majority of essays that look fairly similar because most kids understand the author’s intended meaning, there are a few that seem strange but they’ve supported their argument well enough that yeah, I guess that could be one interpretation, and then there’s the one kid who so obviously slept through the classes we were reading this piece. Jordan Peterson feels like he read some of the sparknotes on Peter Pan and is scrambling to pull together an interpretation for an AP essay and just absolutely failing to get his point across

[@KrytenKoro]

According to my lit teacher, you could absolutely have a wrong interpretation. I've been a bookworm my whole life and she managed to make me hate reading for a bit there.

[@juandoming6688]

This is a completely dumb take. U are basing off this video that splices a sentence and omits context.

[@ultimomos5918]

Jordan Peterson built a career off reaching the minimum word count.

[@100moviemarathon]

I instantly busted out laughing when he opened the “alpha male” convo with the Peter Pan analogy

[@OGimouse1]

You have to remember (in the broader scheme of his 💩 logic): 1) Peter Pan had a negligent father; 2) Therefore would not be straight due to the trauma of having a mother too weak to have a good man and too strong to be a good woman; 3) And if he didn't overcome his non-alpha side by engaging in predatory behavior, he'd need to be converted out of his beta status to be worthy of a place at a table.

[@sandsmthembu2777]

ok but you guys know Jordan Peterson doesn't talk about turning people to alpha males right? The original video just added that in

[@sandsmthembu2777]

@@OGimouse1 man when has JP ever talked about alpha's though?

[@someonesomeone3729]

@@sandsmthembu2777 i mean the title is literally how to be an alpha male and he has multiple other videos on the subject so it seems like he talks about it lol

[@sandsmthembu2777]

@@someonesomeone3729 true but notice how the guy actually speaking never even mentions the words...the video is not even from his channel

[@ethanisonline]

thanks for showing me your favorite youtuber gabi!

[@adityasrivastava5039]

🐺

[@alexhorbacz1547]

You got the story of Peter Pan almost correct. He did kill Lost Boys but he never grew up cause of weird fairy magic and he wasn't a demon. He was half fairy half human. Also the text make all the killing weirdly lighthearted. They never really mean anything. And he was created by James Barrie almost a century after the Grimm fairy tales

[@ByzantineDarkwraith]

Hey, I just wanted to mention that the most actually interesting or deep thing that Jordan said (not a hard competition to win tbh) was actually the line about plumbers... Plumbing has probably saved more lives than doctors have, because humans died constantly from getting sick because there was shit everywhere in the old days, so indoor plumbing has saved an unimaginable amount of lives, so you could maybe say plumbers have saved more lives than doctors by making continued use of indoor plumbing possible. P.S. Jordan Peterson is a terrible person who has done a lot to enable the growth of fascism

[@christopherhammond5142]

@@alexhorbacz1547 Pretty spot on. Barrie thought of him as a fairly demonic character and earlier versions were even more bleak than the published one but he definitely wasn't actually a part demon or anything like that.

[@nicripolas816]

@@alexhorbacz1547 Thanks, I wanted to correct him myself. Lol

[@lightning_bun]

The fact that he starts talking about Pleasure Island (from Pinocchio) like it's a part of the Peter Pan story really nails in what Gabi and Ethan said about Peterson not remembering the story of Peter Pan at all LMAO

[@woutervanham8246]

Jordan Peterson sounds like an AI trying to write a speech from Jordan Peterson.

[@TurbopropPuppy]

"plumbers have saved more lives than doctors" Yeah well Mario Mario is both a plumber and a doctor so what do you make of that, Jordy B.?

[@TheOctavian316]

Jordan 🅱️eterson.

[@OGimouse1]

Got 'em

[@JorgeMiguel147]

Cuz of clean water, saved millions of people 💪😎

[@randomenvelope]

Mario is the ultimate life form. But plumbers do save more, just let waste water and shit collect in your house and see what happens.

[@zack-lk8if]

@@randomenvelope or maybe don't shit in your house if you don't have plumbing. like many places on earth...

[@Vabkins]

POV: your sub never showed up and a drunk man wonders in to give a rambling lecture; slowly having a mental breakdown

[@joemamacaprisun]

Like once me and my mom were in one of those car lots or whatever and there was this drunk dude directing the cars there lmfao

[@0CryingAngel0]

Jordan Peterson is exactly that one guy who tried to hit on me saying in the first message EVER that we were once one androgynous being and proceeded to list paragraphs with reasons we should reunite and how it's just supposed to be that way. Of course I blocked him. lol

[@spacedino91]

JP is the type of person who definitely signed the petition when the green m&m got semi redesigned.

[@peachtea1318]

My favourite Canadian misconception is that all milk is sold in bags. I love it, I want everyone to believe all milk is bagged in Canada, like yeah you can get bagged milk in Canada but the idea that it’s exclusively bags is just so funny to me.

[@alicethemad1613]

Aside from Peterson’s insane takes, I have no idea where Ethan got the idea of Peter Pan being a Grimm’s fairytales character who eats children from? He’s from a book by J.M. Barrie which is just a little collection of fantasy stories for kids. Peter is a fun loving magic boy, definitely not a child eater or monster or anything.

[@rowancook4369]

A lot of people mistakenly think that all modern fairytales, esp Disney fairytales, are just bastardized versions of the Grimm's versions. For some reason people think that Grimm's are the originals? Some may be for sure, but some of the Grimm's fairytails are just dark edgy retellings.

[@radekchrabota]

​@@rowancook4369 weren't the Grimm brothers the first (that we know of) to write down all of the stories that were only passed by word of mouth before? Or am I stupid?

[@SuperLoves4]

@@radekchrabota Some they weren't the firsts, still, they might have made some of the stories edgier

[@OGimouse1]

@@radekchrabota They were the first to get them out of oral tradition...but sometimes adding some spice. They tried to go to the origins of the stories in some cases but anything they didn't like or couldn't find, they'd "reconcile" with their own beliefs

[@malkam.7543]

I do remember a grimms tale or perhaps another author's fairy tale about an immortal creature that eats children he lures away to maintain his youth. I don't think it has much to do with peter pan, though. The archetype of a child stealer is very ancient, and I think the story Ethan is referencing is a variation on the Pied Piper.

[@scarcely.kicking]

this guy reminds me of the pastor of a church i went to as a child. one time he told me the lion king was inappropriate and introduced sex to children because of that inside joke where the animators spelled out sex in the stars or whatever (or SFX, but he was convinced it was sex). i think i said something along the lines of "well i didn't even notice it until YOU pointed it out so who was really the one introducing the idea of sex to me huh?" and then that same pastor was arrested a few years ago for possession of CP

[@wolfsisterhowls]

I'm always suspicious of the loudest ones!

[@Anonymous-bi5pv]

Conservative moment

[@zack-lk8if]

@@Anonymous-bi5pv stfu you're just as bad as the conservatives who call everything they disagree with liberal or woke. if anything it's a Christian moment idk where you got politics from

[@allaboutthemurzic]

@@zack-lk8if The left isnt any better than the right

[@jackiedaytona2200]

Ethan: "You heard about the dream where JP's grandma feeds him pubic hair?" KZbin ad: FRESH GROUND BEEF IS ON SALE AT BASHA'S! (Local Arizona grocery store.) That was impeccable.

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

I think "roughly speaking" is a pretty good descriptor of what is going on there in general.

[@emily_toots]

Ok I'm a classics major and already Jordan Peterson is just making shit up. If you want to know why he's wrong about the name Peter Pan, feel free to read: Pan in mythical origin is the name of a satyr the Greek gods keep around on Mount Olympus because he's so goofy and talented at his flute (pan flute, named after him), everyone loves him - he's just so cool. The term Pan means "all", and they name him Pan because he is LOVED BY ALL (all the gods). He's just universally loved because he's a cheeky lil hairy guy. His name is most likely an ancient Greek analogue for types of plays called "satires" (deriving from satyr) that were humourous plays that involved music and dirty jokes. These types of plays were obviously loved by all. SO if you really want to compare Peter Pan to Pan in a theistic context, it's really unfair to say that the derivation means "god of everything" when Pan the satyr didn't rule over anything at all. It instead designated that he was loved BY everyone. So if Peter Pan's name is in reference to the ancient Greek mythology, it would more accurately mean that Peter was loved by everyone. It has nothing to do with right to rule... Pan is a common prefix. Pan-hellenic means "all over Greece". Pansexual means "all-loving" (it can mean different things to different people but anyway). Jordan Peterson is adding "ruling" to the meaning of Pan, and that just isn't inherently part of it.

[@TheOctavian316]

Don't forget the best aspect of Pan: panic. His scream has the ability to drive people and animals insane with panic (panikon deima) and send them into frenzies. But Pan was considered the God of nature, the wild, shepherds and flocks, mountain wilds, and sometimes of sexuality and fertility.

[@mediaguyking7045]

Wasn’t pan the god of nature

[@patricksinger357]

The name is also possibly unrelated to the determiner, and instead derived from the same Proto-Indo-European source as the Vedic Pushan, with the "delighting all" explanation being a folk etymology due to the coincidental similarity of the words.

[@0CryingAngel0]

Even panopticon (which is about perception, "all-seeing") could've crossed his mind since he's close to philosophy, I would assume, but nah. Ignore that, just say "so yep" lmao

[@teeess1909]

he's just a cheeky lil guy!

[@leahsharp9726]

he’s like a creepy conservative lit teacher that overanalyzes and dramatizes everything from the most insane perspective that it warps all meaning of the original subject

[@uncannedspaghetti]

And then shuts down anyone who suggests a different interpretation

[@Kelsey1994]

This made perfect sense. That’s exactly what he’s doing.

[@OGimouse1]

@@uncannedspaghetti because he has to counteract all that liberal nonsense you're getting from everyone else and why can't he date his students and women who won't sleep with him are bitches and that's why Wendy has to fight Tinkerbell to the death

[@theplayaifyer]

I mean he's studied psychotherapy if I'm not mistaken. Philosophy is not his area of expertise even though that's what he's trying to pass himself off as. Smart individual nonetheless but sometimes he doesn't know what he's talking about.

[@simstophat1078]

@@theplayaifyer isn’t he like disgraced now?

[@jadejacobs2221]

The "I can't hear him over the intro to Final Fantasy 10" made me laugh a lot harder than I thought it would.

[@jasongold4312]

When I was in college, one of my last classes before graduation, one of my instructors told us "you all just wasted a lot of money"

[@eligrant13]

In Jordan Peterson's defense....... I also talk for 5 minutes about nothing and then end it with "So, yep." so….. yep.

[@brookejones4889]

Me too, that's why no one pays me to talk and I don't have an army of men insisting on how smart I am.

[@friemo660]

Roughly speaking

[@n8mo]

The grandmother dream is honestly the most vile story I’ve ever heard. I cannot believe that anyone takes JP seriously lol

[@TurbopropPuppy]

he's such a gross, creepy weirdo

[@mightymeatymech]

Its vile but its also the funniest self report ive ever heard in my life. Pray for his grandmas safety if shes still alive ig

[@Angie753]

I initially thought he was describing real abuse. That guy is a fucking joke and, as a Canadian, I do not claim him

[@alisaurus4224]

Her genital region was exposed, roughly speaking

[@jungtothehuimang]

My jaw was on the floor at that part, I get that people have weird fucked up nightmares you can't help, but like why in the world would you share that with thousands of people in such a bizarre way???? This man is a weirdo.

[@mtlewis973]

jordan peterson’s analysis of art is always so fascinating because it reflects how completely broken his internal processes are. he is a genuinely dysfunctional person.

[@darkstarr984]

Yeah, this is intriguing. Like, I think in a really wild way that confuses people, but if I slow down and let them evaluate what I’m saying they can usually connect the underlying logic, or ask for clarification on how so many topics have common threads. Jordan Peterson isn’t allowing that and his underlying logic doesn’t seem to connect with real lived experience.

[@thislycantomboy7087]

i’m all for dunking on jordan peterson but Ethan referring to Peter Pan as a Grimm’s Fairy Tale took years off my life. they were published like a century apart please

[@SableBear296]

I hate the capitalistic, misogynistic mindset of “the only value children have is in their potential career path, and the only value women have is in their potential to produce them”. It devalues the lives of children and women, treating them as nothing more than machinery. And when either fail to live up to their potential, they’re seen as immature failures :/

[@d.f.s.studios281]

Not what he was saying you missed the point

[@RKhere97]

He def does imply that in his more generic videos on evolutionary psych but i dont think this interpretation came even close to any of it

[@michellel9739]

To anyone wondering the original Peter Pan story: its called "Peter Pan" by J.M.Barrie (UK) in 1904. It was originaly a theater play and later a book. Peter Pan is not a demon but it is hinted that he's a supernatural being. It pretty much follows the cartoon we all know but it has a very dark twist in the end.

[@mcwjes]

Saying Tinkerbell doesn't exist proves he is not familiar with the story of Peter Pan. And now I have to clap my hands, so thanks for that.

[@williamlanger9229]

Not a Jordan Peterson fan but his “crocodile = time” interpretation is pretty accurate. It literally ticks like a clock due to having eaten one. Maybe this could be seen as a stretch in another story, but not when his nemesis is immortal.

[@bakalaurel]

“Granny pubes, dimly lit” is the new “Baby shoes, never worn”

[@mammalian5489]

It's not that what he's saying is like nonsense, the truth is he's just saying the same thing over and over again. Also he's saying it in a way that almost seems intentionally obscure "there's a sacrifice to maturation you lose your pluripotentiality" for some reason he's using the language biologists use to refer to cells? Like okay... Instead of rambling on with your very clever and big brain words just say: Growing up means you lose the potential things you COULD be so that you can BECOME something. ^ there I said what JP was saying for like 20 minutes

[@morganwentworth2041]

And that's like, an interesting concept! But what makes him a douche is how self important he acts when he presents it

[@mammalian5489]

@@morganwentworth2041 yeah exactly, the irony that he starts to talk about how college is a waste of money while being this self important, damn that's almost impressive.

[@honeyjam3238]

wow lmao it's actually so sad how ineffective Jordan Peterson is at speaking. He is talking about a really interesting concept but the message is completely lost in his delivery. And yet, your one sentence was all I needed to fully grasp what he was trying to say lol

[@LuluTheCorgi]

"it's not nonsense but let me describe all the ways in which it is nonsense" Repeating yourself for 20mins is still nonsense lol

[@ewarwoowar9938]

It is nonsense in a way coz he's rambling in a way that just makes your brain think, "WTF are you talking about?" Like, I think his point is you need to grow up whether you like it or not, but then he'll say something like "tinkerbell is the fairy of porn" and I'm so confused by such a bizzare statement I'm not so sure anymore lol.

[@hoebread7584]

The fact JDP was able to say all this while only actually saying "refusing to grow up is a mistake because it will make life harder" is incredible

[@talbotbluechel2102]

Ethan confidently asserting that Peter Pan is one of Grimm's Fairy Tales (as a character he appeared in a couple of short stories followed by a full novel, all written by JM Barrie) while dunking on Jordan Peterson for being wrong about Peter Pan is kind of hilarious.

[@ballsballsack3198]

Yeah dude I had to dip from this one. Idk who Ethan is but seeing someone be that confident while "ummm actually-ing" someone and being wrong about all of it is like weapons-grade cringe. TBH Gabi should just delete this video and the one about Darkviperau (the one where she confidently argues against darkviper as if he had said commentary channels like hers/curtis conner's/danny gonzalez's/etc were bad even though he EXPLICITLY said the exact opposite). I like her channel overall, but making mistakes this big -- where a huge section of the video is objectively wrong and misleading -- and then leaving the video up is not a good look

[@iamsotiredofliving]

​@@ballsballsack3198 Genuinely made me lose respect for her because I was hoping this video would actually make sense. But it doesn't. There are entire comments on this video that make more sense than anything they said in the 30 mins of this video. And I really aspire to have Ethan's blatant confidence while being completely wrong. Honestly surprised they aren't embarrassed by this video.

[@lanceelliott2504]

Me: * trying to figure out why this guy sounds like my dad * Ethan: this guy sounds so drunk Me: ah

[@amandad8922]

I zoned out for 30 seconds and I'm totally lost, that's honestly a talent.

[@tupaclives5848]

Dawg. Peter Pan is not a Grimm fairy tale.

[@violenceisfun991]

Think of all these *chinese* countries nowadays, Jappan, Tie1, North Career, Beige-ing, Singer-poor, Toe-key-yo, Naggy-saggy. They even named one after the Vietnam war. They clearly have learning disabilities and wanna make fun of humans

[@yellobb3848]

“Don’t go to college” - college professor

[@kain1799]

God the greatest grift Jordan Peterson has ever done is convince people he's intelligent. When he's not """stupid""" but he has the most mundane and boring and archaic ideas but he says it all in the most mundane uninteresting word salads that mean nothing. But when he speaks plainly it's still like even more obviously stupid dumb gibberish. But people are convinced that he's intelligent and an intellectual powerhouse. But they also think Ben Shapiro is good at debating Steven Crowder is funny and Matt walsh is an intellectual giant.

[@lunalu2174]

if i remember correctly, just by the animated and the live action movie, wendy was not comfortable with growing up, she was separated from her brothers and she didn´t want that, but she learnt she would have to grow up because even if peter´s life seemed fun, everyone will grow up eventually. She never mentions having kids also

[@Myrathosghost]

Wendy wasn’t comfortable growing up because she would have to move out of the nursery and have her own bedroom Yes, thats part of it however please remember that the animated movies and the live action movies both took a hell of a lot of liberties with the story of Peter Pan 🤣

[@matane2465]

Yes, there is a chapter or conclusion in certain versions where Wendy is grown up and has a daughter named Jane. That's what Disney drew from for Return to Neverland.

[@rn2787]

So what he could be talking about with plumbing is that it brings water and sanitation to those in the developed world. That has saved more lives than doctors. Sanitation and access to water are essential to life. In highly populated areas this is impossible to achieve without modern plumbing systems.

[@MagicalCaveman]

Yeah, exactly. I realize at first "plumbers save more lives..." sounds like an absurd statement, since a doctor's job is to actually save lives, but without running water and a working sewage system, doctors would have alot more sick people to save. I may be biased here because I am a plumber, but I guess it was just disappointing to hear these two people laughing about it, but I do understand they're just picking apart a speech by a guy they don't like, so obviously anything he says is a joke to them.

[@rn2787]

@@MagicalCaveman oh Jordan Peterson is an absolute idiot and a bad person, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. My brother is a literal genius and he is a plumber. He makes good money and he makes a difference every day for a lot of people. I have nothing, but respect and admiration for him and anyone who do those sorts of jobs people take for granted.

[@MagicalCaveman]

@@rn2787 I'll admit I don't know much about Jordan Peterson, I thought he was just the "clean your room" guy lol, and then I stumbled upon his comment about plumbers, but I do really appreciate your words, thank you

[@theirlmess]

Jordan Peterson is like a feverdream, inside of another fever dream..I’m just thankful that I’m still alive after this display of a speech-

[@_Cotton]

I have no idea who this guy is, but he definitely has a thing for plumbers

[@teeess1909]

this man is sexually attracted to Luigi

[@ByzantineDarkwraith]

the only semi-interesting/valid thing he said was actually the line about plumbers... Indoor plumbing could very well have saved more lives than doctors have, because before it humans were constantly dying from getting sick from the shit that was everywhere. I was a bit surprised Ethan didn't catch on to that, I realized it even during the video's intro, and when the clip comes around during the runtime of the actual video, he even says "hygiene" afterwards (in an awkward way, lol) to clarify. P.S. Jordan Peterson is a POS bad person who has done a lot to encourage the growth of fascism

[@someonesomeone3729]

@@ByzantineDarkwraith interesting yeah that didn’t cross my mind either, that’s pretty cool to think about though. maybe we SHOULD invite a local plumber to dinner lmfaoooo

[@danielshuck7586]

​@@ByzantineDarkwraith I mean I get it, but that's kind of a dumb way to think, right? Like why stop at plumbers? Maybe farmers have saved even more lives than plumbers have? Also, maybe auto manufacturers have killed more people than soldiers! It's the kind of thing a 14 year old would find deep but I'd expect adults to realize how pretentious it actually is. Oh and I'm also suuuure using this example had nothing to do with Peterson's own distrust of medical professionals. Nope not one bit.

[@ByzantineDarkwraith]

@@danielshuck7586 All I said was that it's the most interesting/valid thing *Jordan Peterson* said in the video. Do you have a more interesting/valid thing he said in mind, or did you just forget what the beginning of the comment said by the time you were done reading it? Also, I never said we should stop at plumbers. Agriculture (and by extension, the farmers who make it possible) is another one of those inventions, like indoor plumbing, that is constantly saving a vast amount of lives (literally almost everyone's in agriculture's case). As for the auto manufacturer vs soldier thing, I don't know, you should have probably ran the numbers on that yourself before making the comparison, and I'm not gonna do it for you. And finally, you realize this is *Jordan Peterson* we're talking about here, right? Pretentious is the name of the game, but at least this one statement had a bit of internal logic to it, and pointed something out that not everyone has thought about (how plumbers aren't the most glorified job, despite how invaluable they are), and wasn't batshit insane. I have to ask, did you think that you were replying to Jordan Peterson, or something? Because I am not Jordan Peterson, my friend.

[@cookingwithsilence]

Oh my god I'm glad someone is finally reacting to this video... I have these friends at work that are obsessed with not only consuming content like this, but sending it to me because maybe that'll finally fix my life. lol

[@0CryingAngel0]

It's exactly what you'd expect from these average Jordan Peterson enjoyers. For me, being a woman is all about being approached by these guys eager to tell you their views on abortion.

[@dragonflyswataswata5135]

Too be honest he has some good content but when he has too much to say or Analoges he's often connecting to many subjects or events

[@cookingwithsilence]

@@0CryingAngel0 lol. Does that really occur in the wild?

[@cookingwithsilence]

@@dragonflyswataswata5135 he seems like an intelligent hyper xenophobe who is naive because his personality repulses so many people that he could never possibly understand them. If I saw him walking towards me and he wanted to talk I think I might run.

[@mattcipa6717]

@@cookingwithsilence I don't know where you got that from, Jordan is loved by many, many people for the positive impact he's had on them..

[@sheeppie9862]

so i’m not a native english speaker, and while studying at university we often were given home tasks of just watching some videos and then giving our opinions on them and discussing them in class. they were mostly ted talk type of videos, but it just dawned on me while watching that we were ASSIGNED to mindfully watch this man on multiple occasions. it was not this drastic tho, like some “tips” for young people in their 20s or sth but i distinctly remember catching weird vibes from his speeches omfg

[@RikkiNokia]

Not going to college isn't always about political beliefs. There's a lot of systemic issues that make it difficult for many to be able to continue education. For me as a disabled person I know that one because of government assistance I'm unable to build my assets to even pay for college. Also not to mention the massive amount of abelism from what I've heard there's a lot that needs improvement. All this saying, I know it was a small portion of the video to comment on but also I don't often see much discourse on this topic so I thought I may as well speak my mind on the matter. Oh also I really enjoyed the video, Jordan Peterson is honestly a really interesting subject matter.

[@misostrange]

As a fellow disabled person, this is very true. Tertiary education becomes very unattainable. A lot of JP's conservative rhetoric about alpha male bs, purpose, and education is very discriminatory against disabled and neuro-divergent people, their personalities and life-styles. So I find it troubling when autistic incels follow him. They need to grow out of these mindsets to grow as people, not into them further.

[@MLPGamer44]

Ok but like that was such a descriptive dream that it makes me wonder if Jordan’s grandma actually molested him. She had Alzheimer’s in the real world and I’ve worked with Alzheimer patients and some of them would regress back to being mentally kids or teens and be very inappropriate especially with the touching. Not exactly something to speculate about but it feels like an obvious thought.

[@_wheelofcheese]

love ethan pulling the horrifying peter pan lore out of nowhere and gabi just going o_O

[@Benoahp]

Well Ethan is wildly wrong about Peter Pan wish he had done just a cursory google search. Its not a Grimm fairytale its a book by JM Barrie.

[@GayGothPirate]

Ethan is completely off. Peter Pan has absolutely no connection to Grimm's Fairytales, that was made up a few years ago and spread around the internet because it was a weird trend to take stories and make them as dark as possible and people confuse it for the original.

[@padd6007]

Ethan made himself look stupid multiple times

[@matane2465]

Yeah, I mean Phelous when he reviews Animated fairytale movies will often talk about older versions of stories and their origins but yeah it was an original JM Barrie story.

[@MasterChakra7]

2:31 and it's enough to show you didn't really pay attention to the story if you can't even realize that the crocodile does represent time since it has a clock inside it, not mentioning he reminds Hook of his PTSD every time he shows up and is always lurking for more...

[@souper.scooter]

This is so fucking weird, I had a teacher who talked like this in all of his classes, and even had the same vibe of like "damn, what I just said is really smart, this is gonna change peoples lives. I don't remember what it was-" its weird hearing someone talk like that cuz that teacher just died...

[@vadacnyx4234]

He sounds like Kermit if Kermit got divorced and had mid life crisis and became motivational speaker

[@annesilva3542]

Peter Pan is not one of grimm's fairy tales, from what I know (since I watched a biopic on a plane once) it was originally a play an English guy wrote in the 1900s the story of the play is very similar to the one we know. This guy who wrote it had a little brother that died and the trauma from that kinda fucked him up in his emotional development. As an adult he was very close friends with a married couple and their 5 children, one of the kids was named Peter. But Peter Pan was actually based on the happy parts of his childhood and how he remembered his brother. He took care of the kids once their parents tragically died of different types of cancer very soon one after another. It’s very sad, two of the kids also died before him

[@alexahowmanyhamsters1312]

Thank you for sharing this!😸 I thought he was trying to explain Peter Pan Syndrome in some weird way lol

[@dudmanjohn]

Correction: Barrie was a Scot.

[@AlIegory]

Basic sanitation and sewage removal made possible by modern plumbing has certainly saved more lives than doctors.

[@Dracon7601]

Yes if you discount why sanitation became a focus for public health in fairness.

[@DiMagnolia]

"Don't ever, for any reason, do anything, to anyone, for any reason, ever, no matter what, no matter where, or who, or who you are with, or where you are going, or where you've been, ever, for any reason whatsoever." - Michael Scott That’s what Jordan sounds like, except it’s not supposed to be comedic.

[@user-ld6th3vw8e]

Does Jorden know that like, *roughly speaking*, when activists fight for something to stop, and then it stops, it's usually not because those activists could have just waited it out. Like Ethan is right the "damn hippies" were fighting for more than getting rid of "bad jobs" or whatever (which somebody, somewhere is doing, but Jordyn doesnt care about them) but like even this simple cause and effect either eludes him or is being deliberately obscured

[@Myrathosghost]

Not to give Jordan Peterson any credit but I’ve heard the “the crocodile in Peter Pan is supposed to represent time”…. From a couple different English literature teachers so thats like a pretty common assumption 🤣

[@jungtothehuimang]

It has a ticking clock in its belly and Jordan is acting like he really cracked a code by catching onto a metaphor about mortality that children can understand. This dude is a complete wastrel.

[@damienlemongolien5303]

@@jungtothehuimang The thing is, this explanation of the corcodile being a representation of time is competely legit and is the global interpretation. I think we can all agree on that. And you haven't heard the point he was going towards with this analogy so ofc this seems like wasted time. Also at no point has he pretended to be its inventor. Now you may think that this metaphor is so obvious to the point of being understandable by any child, yet I only see criticism for it being "a ridiculous extrapolation". Look around in the comment section or in the video. I came on that video hoping to see something that would elevate the debate, but all I see is a shitshow of egotistic people just spitting their hatred on this guy for the wrong reasons. The "seemingly educated" dude in the video who says peter pan is from a Grimm's fairy tale is completely and factually wrong for example. They pause every 2 sec to make jokes and say "that makes no sense... he never comes to his point" and then wonder why they don't understand his opinion thats seems disjointed to them. Or the retards in the comments saying "how can any human being find Jordan Peterson intelligent?" while forgetting the dude has a PhD in clinical psychology and is a professor at Toronto university... he is factually above average in terms of intelligence. This video and comment section is a shitshow of people thinking they're smarter than him, of people who would rather speak than listen. Read ANY philosophy book and you'll see that what JP is actually doing is an essay. Like any essay, it's not your usual instagram story or MrBeast video but rather a complex and long explanation, using metaphors and images. But people expect bitesize thoughts, instant dopamine... that's why they're so stuck on the seemingly ridiculous punchlines they don't even care to understand. "Plumbers saved more lifes than doctors? I guess it's stupid because it sure sounds like it" when ignoring sewers literally prevented the return of the bubonic plague that decimated between 30 and 50% of all Europe, while doctors were busy spreading useless herbs with their scarewrow masks... and that's just one example amongst thousands showing that yes, having modern toilets, running water, efficient waste disposal etc. actually increased the average lifespan of our society and prevented millions of deaths. Who would have thought? Ppl don't look for the meaning of the bigger picture because thinking requires energy and attention they would rather spend mocking him to feel superior. Now I don't agree with JP on many points, but I think one has to be extremely biased to deny his skills both in reasoning and communication. Dude is far more intelligent than the average person, that includes the people in this comment section as well as me.

[@jungtothehuimang]

@@damienlemongolien5303 Jordan Peterson is a transphobic disrespectful hack who says a bunch of gish-gallop platitudes that sound smart, but don't mean anything. He is misogynistic, homophobic quack. There is nothing to be gaining listening to him cry and whine about men being "ruined" because we don't live in 1950 anymore and men can't control their wives anymore and men don't want to do manual labor anymore and men enjoy feminine hobbies and clothes and men don't fit into his narrow idea of what men should be. In summary, no I will not expend my limited braincells on Jordan Peterson. I'd rather laugh at him making a clown of himself in 4k.

[@CassEris]

I can almost guarantee Jorp is going with the Disney version of Peter Pan. If there is a Disney version of something, that's what he'll run with. Good ol' Jungian driven style madness. Just pick a starting point (Peter Pan) and just unhinge the brain and let it floooow.

[@playtester6635]

This reminds me of the sort of conversations I've had with strangers who look like they may be homeless on the bus late at night and decided to talk to me for some reason.

[@beachgirl_bev]

I'm like a minute in and he's already conflating Peter Pan, pan- the prefix meaning all which is derived from the Greek pâs, and Pan - the satyr god of music and the wild (which in Greek was written as Pán. Peter was named after the god - but "Pan" the god and the "Pan" prefix come from different Greek works and just happen to be spelt the same in English. Jordan. I have a degree in film and I know this

[@jimmolloy1654]

heas not conflating them....he's asserting that peter pan is a reference to pan.

[@jongkittae]

so I know it sounds silly but actually as far I know, apprenticing is still a thing amongst the trades (like my dad's an electrician and he had an apprenticeship to study like on the job and stuff)

[@lemonscentedchipmunk6451]

Yea I was thinking about that, but about tattoo artist apprenticeships lol

[@OGimouse1]

They're a decreasing number of positions for more than a few reasons, one of them principally being that apprenticeships were traditionally unpaid (because by the time you pay off your supplies, etc. there is little or nothing to take home) and that the amount of time and "graduation" through the steps was in the sole and subjective discernment of whomever you were studying under. It's also a practice-driven line that is steeped little in education, so things like electricians not being aware of why the gages were the way they were led to a lot of house fires and electrocutions, and lawyers who could only fill out forms, and doctors who were just killing people, etc. It's a good system where it marries up with community colleges and licensing oversight, but otherwise it's Trump University of "do as I say, don't ask questions, the world will never change, and if you f### up it's your problem." The apprenticeship system--except for lawyers, AFAIK--not only carries no previous educational requirement but no future educational requirements. It's KZbin² without something more substantial. You don't necessarily need a masters or whatever for everything. But you need to be able to understand the difference in amperage in copper and gold, be able to calculate gage loads for different breaker boxes, etc. when it comes to electricity. You need to be able to understand that disposal of medical sharps carries a severe risk of disease and can create a public safety problem. You need to know why you don't burn cyanide-treated wood or the the tensile load of 15-pound rope not being that a length of rope can hold 15 pounds. I'd like to see apprenticeships come back but I'd like to see them be far less predatory and more based in education

[@unabomberofficial]

Yes thank you most modern trades still have apprenticeships. It's a very normal thing lol

[@LuluTheCorgi]

@@OGimouse1apprenticeships are still very common in Germany. People spend half their time with the company and half their time in evening school. You get a small amount the first 3 years (600€) but they also pay for all the education

[@wolfsisterhowls]

Same in medicine, law etc. They may go under different names, but it's still a huge part of most trades or professions.

[@user-ki2ih5nk2m]

His thing about not going to college because it was just, “pleasure island” is hilarious.😆 How does he think we get teachers, doctors, and other essential services? By the way Gabi, I love your videos!!

[@madhatt3r93]

"Peter Pan is a magical boy" sounds like the first sentence of Peter Pan's page on fanwiki

[@sfooshy4517]

He also almost died of an overdose recently and still acts like he knows how to navigate life better than everyone else.

[@awkwardukulele6077]

Aside from how shit most of his ideas are, he also never seems to listen to his own good advice when he gives it.

[@gianni_schicchi]

This is a old video from his teaching days though, so…

[@sfooshy4517]

@@gianni_schicchi where he was still an addict with a messy room yet he preaches otherwise. Look at where his path brought him.

[@Anonymous-bi5pv]

Men moment

[@Howitgoes799]

Isn’t that like most philosophers?

[@bbrbbr-on2gd]

Jordan Peterson: Seeking perpetual childhood is bad, and it's happening because of *personal* moral failings. This is basically what his argument boils down to. However, people's material conditions are sorta forcing this regression to happen. People have to fall into escapism because there's really nothing else they think they can do about it. So people start marking their entire personalities the things they consume, and identifying with those things who they are. An example being Disney Adults or MCU/DC fans, or really any other rabid fan base. The things people say we should have to be an "Adult" are out of our reach. We can't get well paying jobs without going into debt. We can't afford houses and have to either live with patents or roommates. We can't have children (if you choose to), because we're not financially secure enough to support them, let alone ourselves. This is just, old man screeches at young people for being poor, and telling us individual moral failings are the cause. Without any significant material analysis.

[@danielshuck7586]

Even taking away the aspect of material conditions it's still a seriously stupid argument. Who gets to decide whether or not you're acting like a "perpetual child" or just enjoying things? What demarcates being an adult and a "perpetual child" anyway? Well, see, like everything Peterson talks about HE gets to decide and HE gets to draw that line. Not you. How dare you have more introspection than Peterson the Chief People-Understander.

[@elleembee6335]

I do want to point out that you can be a fan of many things without being rabid and many people pull that off. The loudest idiots will always drown out the more reasonable voices. That said, recreation can be an addiction just like anything else. The masses need to feed a growing sense of futility with something, and it's better than filling it with the nonsensical ramblings of this guy. His cult makes Disney Adults look reasonable.

[@tacittempo7774]

Well at the very least you gave his stance more thought than the people who uploaded this. I disagree with your last paragraph though, I think Peterson's goals are to actually help the people who watch him. For this video, his main point was to have a plan and pick the sacrifices you make through life. Because you will have to make sacrifices its best to choose them wisely.

[@tomisaacson2762]

JP never talks about material conditions because he's a partisan hack, first and foremost. He never talks about inequality or potential solutions for it because then he'd have to admit how incredibly nonsensical his whole shtick is.

[@deanpope2055]

I’m flabbergasted by that last bit, he should really talk to a professional about that bc if I had a dream like that I would be seriously concerned for my broader mental stability

[@shmirko1665]

A couple days ago I went a night out after I graduated, and I was walking home with one of my friends who kept on trying to convert me to Christianity while I was drunk as shit. That's what this video reminds me of

[@ultravajlet]

Peter Pan is magical because children are magical, and hey, you are what you eat 😀

[@nicolestacy4732]

pretty sure pleasure island was a reference to pinnochio. i think peterson is just coming from an extra niche community of disney adult.

[@cjebel6584]

Ok so as a plumber his comment is talking about the fact that plumbers are responsible for clean water delivery and waste transportation away from living areas preventing disease. And by this logic the plumbing field has saved more lives than the medical field

[@tultiden2040]

I only listened to the audio of this video, makes you think Kermit was giving this advice

[@MyNamesRevenge]

jordan peterson is a master at saying a lot of words while delivering almost nothing of substance

[@Manigeitora]

Jordan's speeches are a bowl of rice: There's a lot of things in there, but it's not fulfilling and you always leave hungry.

[@user-ki2ih5nk2m]

I love this comment! Just because people say fancy words does not mean they are intelligent.

[@TheCocothunda]

Drink history with Jordan Peterson: how Peter Pan was made

[@ReidonHoffnung]

I like how the whole video is like you, the viewer, is sitting with Gabi and Ethan in the back of the class while they are commenting on professor's nonsense during the lecture. Love the video commentary!

[@strawhatneko]

Okay but I love the sponsor part when Peter and Wendy are both talking with the mic 🤣👏🏻

[@raven_g6667]

Where most actual intelligent ppl make things easily digestible for the layman, Jordy Petermin runs around explanations and uses big words and vagueness so you can never pin down what he thinks, but he SOUNDS smart. He's like an anti-philosopher lolz.

[@OGimouse1]

That's why he's successful. Anyone can find meaning in what he said because in order to derive anything from it, you have to fill in the holes.

[@nat2002]

@@OGimouse1 astrology for redditors

[@widewatching338]

You mean public speakers. You like public speakers because they dumb it down for you. And you don’t like things you can’t immediately understand. That’s why you don’t read.

[@napalm4724]

In 1907 my life was saved by a plumber. Not only was he very compassionate, but he was also very thorough. If not for him, i would have lost my life that day. I think of him every day of my life, I will continue to do so until the day I day. Jedidiah Conroy the 8th, if you see this, thank you.

[@JustinW332]

Also Jordan, Pan is the Greek god of nature and fertility. I thought that the point of peter pan was that everyone has to grow up, but that doesn't mean you have to lose your child-like wonder and imagination.

[@carebear6036]

Imagine Jordan's thesis being someone's first introduction to the Peter pan story tho🤣

[@funandyvideos]

His ideal conception of the trades: People too stupid to go to college being responsible adults, who can be his plumbers and gardeners while he cranks out drivel like this for 10x what his Roto Rooter guy earns.

[@kragonX3]

I'm convinced old men get lonely then start teaching undergrad GEs

[@Dejaelizabethfay]

Two of my faves. You guys made me full belly laugh a full times this time.

[@mikemcdonald4476]

It’s important to remember he didn’t make this video: the music, the B role, the misspelled captions, even the name of the video. He did none of those things

[@thomasmacisaac1503]

That's why they had to find a video someone else put together, because their critique is disingenuous so they have to focus on anything other than Jordan's point