Game Battle 1 - Game Sack

Episode 187 - We compare games to each other and pick a winner. There can only be one survivor in these comparisons. What games would you like to see us to put into battle? Check out "I Got the Spacebeam" from Star Salzman - ocremix.org/remix/OCR01236
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[@raymondslivinski1130]

I love these guys.... they made me pay so much more attention to soundtracks in games and I am very grateful for it.

[@lifespanofafry1534]

Are you dead yet?

[@Nukle0n]

If you wanna see a bad port of Space Harrier check out the ZX Spectrum version. In fact the ZX Spectrum could be an entire episode about awful ports.

[@CarozQH]

How is that a bad port? The colour scheme is questionable, and it lacks music, sure, but it plays so much more smoothly than the Master System port, and it's about as fast as the Arcade version. And if you play it on an emulator, you can change the ugly colour palettes to something more eye-friendly.

[@kosmosyche]

+CarozQH And even the palette is not that bad. Gives it unique "speccy" feel. I'd choose speccy over master system any day.

[@Nukle0n]

Yeah it's fast but you can't see your character or the projectiles because they inherit the color of the background. Might as well be in black and white, would make it a lot easier.

[@straizo7985]

You wanna see a bad port for that system? Look up for the ZX Spectrum port of Street Fighter II. Worst port I've ever seen in my life.

[@1300l]

I want to see a Generations Battle. Mario 1 vs Mario World Sonic 1 vs Sonic Advance GTA III vs GTA IV Doom for the Jaguar vs Doom 2016

[@GameSack]

Not a bad idea!

[@Lilbroda]

Doom on i486 vs Doom on gtx 1080

[@1300l]

Funny enough is i have a i486 still (but with Doom II on it) Shame i don't own a camera to film it working

[@zorochii]

I agree! I had the same idea after watching the episode. Things like Resident Evil vs Resident Evil 4 or 6 (or 7 if you want to feel better). Ninja Gaiden on NES vs PS2 Ninja Gaiden... Final Fantasy vs Final Fantasy VII.

[@CarloNassar]

+1300l So do *I*!

[@anavash]

Thank you guys! You have some of the best system and game reviews on the net!

[@lifespanofafry1534]

Are you dead?

[@sonikku956]

Just when I'm about to sleep...

[@TooBokoo]

You should know better by now, every other Sun morning... LOL!

[@Idunnoyouguessit]

Just soothe yourself to sleep with the sweet sounds of Game Sazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[@HappyConsoleGamer]

I had to stop the video and go listen to Thunder Force's soundtrack again sooooo goood!

[@HitmonleeDeluxe]

My favorite Track from TFIII is either Twin Vulcan or G Lobster!

[@MalcolmRandall]

Thunder Force is known for having some of the THE best music in gaming.

[@GameSack]

John you should make a video about the best RPGs for every system. Wait... you did? And it's out today? Awesome!

[@MrThunderwing]

Thunder Force 4 had an awesome soundtrack as well, particularly some of the boss themes. The intro music together with the huuuge animated ship that appeared absolutely blew me away the first time I booted it up in my Megadrive.

[@shadowflash705]

Imagine how it will be with 29" RGB broadcast monitor and a pair of 150W (real, not PMPO BS) 3 way speakers (not at full volume of course). That was the first time i played that game, it still feels like it was yesterday, and it was almost 25 years ago. Funny part - this game has one of the best soundtracks on the system but speech samples are so distorted, that you can't understand anything. Road, rude? No! it's "blade"...

[@HybridDivide]

F-Zero series vs WipEout series!

[@ilaughwhenithurts]

I always appreciate a new Game Sack episode, no matter how long it takes to come out. Great job, guys!

[@asmallquest]

I'd love to see Arcade shooters so House of The Dead vs Time Crisis or Virtua Cop. Another fun one would be worst games so like a best of the worst style

[@DonutSwordsman]

Retro Zone house of the dead vs time crisis is a good fuckin one yes!!!

[@rtv190]

House Of The Dead wins easily

[@chipdamage929]

It all about CarnEvil!!!

[@denNESdanMAKU]

Call me in for that Lighgun Showdown!

[@foxybeatnik]

This format seems fine as it is, in regards to the rules. Each comparison seemed very fair and valid, and brought some cool discussion about what was available at the time. I'd love to see more.

[@hosebeefstick]

This is definitely my favorite channel on KZbin. Good job, Dave and Joe; you guys are awesome.

[@hosebeefstick]

Oh, and this format for an episode is really good; I like it a lot more than the random battles you guys used to do. Nothing against those episodes, I just like that these comparisons are well thought out and not random.

[@Real1Gaming]

Well... A flashing screen might be more fun than snail maze... My Master System, though, has Hang-On built in... A flashing screen can't compete at all

[@stncldrwg]

One more to throw out there.... Mario Kart 8 vs. Sonic All-Stars Racing Transformed

[@slopesgameroom]

hahaha i actually stopped playing the streets of rage soundtrack record to play this video :) thanks for filling in the gaps

[@Godsgood111]

That's what she said

[@Revegelance]

I like the idea of truly random matchups, like draw the names out of a hat or something.

[@Wallyworld30]

This is like an entire season of the channel "Console Wars" squeezed into one episode!

[@VonSeux]

good fun for sunday morning

[@RealH0rr0rsh0w]

Ninja Gaiden (Xbox) vs. Shinobi (PS2)

[@samfrito]

Graphic you got to endure more a challenging camera in Shinobi ps2 than in Ninja Gaiden XB. both are cool, but Ninja Gaiden calls Shinobi ps2 a "LESSER NINJA"

[@GatorRay]

+Graphic yeah that would make for an interesting sequel.

[@abobeleiranilton]

Graphic I have both of fhem... and Ninja Gaiden is way better than Shinobi...

[@GlennGrim]

nilton abobeleira I have both of them too, shinobi is the better game.

[@abobeleiranilton]

GrimGlenn At what level? Better grafics? Better gameplay? Story? Be serious...

[@virustwin]

This! this is why i Love gamesack. Classic episode guys.

[@facerip356]

*Sunday morning, 2 a.m., Game sack time!!! Yeeeaaaaaah*

[@xWindreaderx]

The Legend of Zelda vs. Golden Axe Warrior

[@CarozQH]

Mighty Final Fight (NES) vs. Streets of Rage (Master Sastem) next time?

[@El_Chompo]

I love all the detail you go into about sound and audio. I never would have guessed these old systems had such varying and high tech sound options at times.

[@ShanetheFreestyler]

Ah, Rad Racer! Actually, my nostalgia is in the game's sequel, Rad Racer II, which has a number of improvements. For one, it adds a Rocket Start ability where, if you hold ⬇+A until your power meter is full, then release ⬇, you'll instantly take off at 255 KPH! Also, your dashboard now had a GPS that displayed when a turn was upcoming rather than using road signs, making it easier to prepare to turn. Lastly, crashes where a lot less dramatic. Instead of your car getting tossed around, you'd simply spin out. Also, instead of being respotted, you'd regain control of your car the spot you stopped on, costing you slightly less time, although it made it possible to crash into something else that happened to be in front of you. There were a few things taken out of of Rad Racer II, however. You could no longer change songs in the middle of a race. Also, the game only gave 2 music options: Gum Ball Crash and Coast To Coast. "Sing Yourself" is no music. (Unlike Rad Racer I, engine sounds and music can't play at the same time, but the music sounds better as a result.) Now, I discovered a while back that there actually _is_ a third music option, Still Alive, but it can't be accessed without a cheat device. I uploaded the track here along with the RAM address to change if you want to listen: tcrf.net/Rad_Racer_II As for a quick thought on Space Harrier and it's "Background Sprite" technique, I wonder why the Famicom version didn't use this trick? Sure, it looked smoother by having sprites, but they were less detailed and more sparse. Actually, several Master System used this trick to make larger animations than what could've been done with sprites, although it made things chopier and chunkier, as you mentioned. The Nes could do this in theory, but I can't think of any game that did. Lastly, Gradius III: From Legend to Myth. I played the arcade version, and it didn't have any slowdown that I recall. It also a 3D stage set from behind that the SNES version didn't have since even the mighty *Mode 7* wasn't powerful enough to handle the multiple scaling sprites it had. Anyway, the arcade version is much better. In fact, if the comparison was between the arcade versions of Gradius III and Thunder Force AC, it might've been tougher to call. As for the SNES version "Thunder Spirits", I don't know about that...

[@RetroMMA]

Snail vs flashing screen... Lmao!

[@kojaqvidya5261]

sat down to eat dinner better check for new eps to my surprise uploaded 35 secs ago, winning

[@Quimbyrbg]

Great formula - More of this series! Thanks for another awesome episode guys, you're better than TV.

[@Dave7g]

This is a great idea, please do another 6,000 episodes. Thanks!

[@SilverGreyscale]

Maybe Super Castlevania IV (SNES) VS Castlevania: Bloodlines (Genesis)? Both games are amazing.... Or Symphony of the Night vs Dawn of Sorrow? Zelda 1 VS Golden Axe Warrior

[@PlatformJunkie]

Another great episode guys. Thanks!

[@CrystariumNet]

I think Franchise vs Franchise could do well in this type of video! Keep up the great work guys! You are definitely an inspiration for me and my channel!

[@OhmiKuma]

The ending made this episode worth it. XD

[@SilverShion]

Oh great !! A new game sack episode at 4:30 AM !!

[@donovanstringer7411]

Castlevania: Bloodlines (Genesis) VS Super Castlevania IV or Castlevania: Dracula X (Both on SNES)

[@RetroCabeza]

Glad to see Rad Racer gets the love it deserves. One of my favourites on the NES. Go, go, go, Rad Racer! :D

[@fyu823]

The final skit was brilliant guys.

[@whoc4r3s117]

Everytime game sack uploads I'm literally holding my sack and already watching game sack. Coincidence? No its just that good.

[@Rudymarou]

Omg guys that episode was awesome,thank you Game Sack

[@moverofobjects]

I absolutely love the low quality scratchy voices in Thunder force 3. I believe it adds to the charm!

[@nefarious520]

You guys have one of the best channels on youtube, gaming or otherwise, keep it up bruh.

[@aoirice]

Haven't watched you guys in a while. Glad to see you're still making good content!

[@collincheatham9132]

I love it guys. Thank you.

[@rmc310]

Love you're new episode. Keep up with the great new ideas. Wish new episodes came out every week. Heck every day!!

[@chrisvanderhoef9885]

I loved this episode! I hope there are more of this kind of episode.

[@TheModelGamer]

How about Resident Evil vs Silent Hill? Or Uncharted vs Tomb Raider? Perhaps you could do one episode on a series as a whole, like Kingdom Hearts vs Final Fantasy.

[@GameSack]

Resident Evil vs Silent Hill would be good. I really like Silent Hill but haven't been too far in the original Resident Evil. A damn good excuse to play it if I ever saw one.

[@hawlitakerful]

Wii Sports vs Kinect Sports would be hard to say... if you include Wii Sports Resort it's without a doubt Nintendo to take the victory

[@iCach0]

I like the music from Ninja Gaiden a lot better than Shinobi's PSG or FM soundtrack

[@TenshiCat]

Of course - there's a lot more of it too, since Shinobi is missing most of the soundtrack from the arcade original

[@cakestalker]

I don't get why they compare Shinobi on SMS to Ninja Gaiden on NES when Ninja Gaiden was on SMS too. Why not compare those?

[@runemockgaming9623]

Love the show, guys! Keep it up! I always get excited to see a new Game Sack episode!

[@BlockABoots]

Rad Racer seems to run at 60fps where as Outrun looked to be half that, hence why it was probably harder to control!

[@Gutsybird]

Shining Force VS. Fire Emblem

[@SaturnMemories]

Virtua Cop vs Time Crisis? Virtua Fighter 2 vs Tekken? Panzer Dragoon Zwei vs Star Fox 64?

[@alessandrobaggi6129]

a dose of gamesack before going to work ;) thx guys :)

[@rufusray]

I just watched an early sack video,where joe stated"im about to talk about space harrier,wich I love.ive got a lot to say about it,considering I'll probably never talk about it again" I feel it's gone on to be the most talked about game on game sack,lol. joe,dont ever change my friend.

[@MixMasterLar]

I can't disagree with any of these winners. I do need to know your opinion: Capcom's Commando or SNK's Ikari Warriors?

[@GameSack]

That would be a good battle!

[@gozinta82]

Game Sack, This was a really great episode! I like the idea of your battle episodes and it's nice to hear you're open for ideas. The idea came up when you put Shinobi against Ninja Gaiden. I felt the same way about Ninja Gaiden until I played Shinobi III and Shadow Dancer on the Genesis. I do like your approach to what makes a game a better choice (I.E. Space Harrier because of content, experiences/gameplay, etc. over the NES having smoother transitions). I hope to see more of these episodes, there are plenty of great comparisons/battles to be made. Especially, the 8, 16, 32 and 64-bit days. The rap in the middle of the episode was also phenomenal. You made me laugh my ass off at the end with the console battle! Cheers!

[@videogameobsession]

Let's not forget Taito's Front Line either. To which both of those owe a large amount of gratitude to! I used to play the hell out of that one on the Colecovision. It was great with the Super Action Controller.

[@MixMasterLar]

videogameobsession Can't say I'm familiar with it. I'm woefully ignorant of the pre-NES console era

[@ProtoMario]

Great video

[@sirnigelcogs]

I really like the idea of this episode. As always the quality of the video and the production values are great.

[@imnotdoingthiscrap]

Loved the video! Keep the formula the same. Keep the like games against each other, or maybe even tournament style.

[@Dilios_of_Sparta]

GEMU BATORU: ROUND ONE FIGHT!!

[@DeathCrustPunk]

Does there exist a shirt with the Vic Viper with 4 options and the phrase "It's good to have options" on it? I hope so, cuz i want one

[@tetrisdave]

I would definitely wear that shirt.

[@beatbonjon1384]

I must say the editing and quality of this vid is amazing 👍👍👍

[@jhsdemo]

Loved it! One of your best videos! Daytona USA vs. Crusin USA, Virtual Cop vs. Time Crisis, Virtual Fighter vs. Tekken,

[@moviemetalhead]

This was a really cool change to the Random battle formula. I agree with a lot of the victors here. I got a few battles in mind: Zombie Revenge VS. Nightslashers, Virtua Cop VS. Time Crisis, Mario Golf (GC) VS. Neo Turf Masters or Legendary Axe VS. Rastan. Solid episode! \,,/

[@OtakuDeCarnitas109]

KoF '94 vs Super Street Fighter 2

[@DrScientistSounds]

every other Saturday night is the best Saturday night, you guys rule

[@zendell37]

I liked this series. Plus it's something only guys and gals who lived and played through it could weigh in on. Another great episode, guys. Thanks.

[@LeviathanRX]

Have a small potential list. (NES)1942 vs (NES)Sky Shark (SNES)Brain Lord vs (Gen)Light Crusader (Arcade)Tekken vs (Arcade)Virtua Fighter (or do PS vs Saturn) (NES)Dragon Quest vs (SMS)Phantasy Star (Gen)Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine vs (SNES)Kirby's Avalanche (PS)Spyro the Dragon vs (N64)Banjo Kazooie (SNES)LoZ Link to the Past vs (Gen)Soleil (or Crusader of Centy depending on region).. yeah I know who will win but the comparison will be fun Marvel vs Capcom.. oh wait that's one game...

[@Quimbyrbg]

(SAT)Sonic Fighters Vs (N64) Super Smash Bros. :P

[@Kyubeyisbestboy]

Smash 64 wins over any other fighting game from the 64 bit age.

[@charizardoreo]

Sonic the Fighters was never on Sega Saturn, only in arcades, and on PS2 and GameCube via the Gems Collection, then later ported to PS3 and Xbox 360.

[@TheDemoniusX]

Sky shark is bloody infuriating and no ending. Surprised I didn't suffer a stroke.

[@Carsonj13]

Do you mean Fighters Megamix?

[@chadc437]

FF1 vs Phantasy Star

[@boatcaptain6288]

Great video. I'm looking forward to future episodes in this series. =)

[@user-wg3dq3ev8g]

I love these new Ideas. Love you guys as well. Good job creating new games.

[@Tiago6836]

castlevania vs master of darkness

[@AmberShort]

Joe vs Dave. Which is wittier? ;)

[@seraphic22]

WINNER!! Nintendo's flashing screen

[@AmberShort]

I can't win with that logic. :)

[@JohnnyMatherson]

Nintendo.

[@BenjiMordino]

I don't think wit is the strong point... Great slapstick though, these two put Harold Lloyd to shame!

[@marklinstom5145]

I say Joe, cause Joe knows MEGA POWER!

[@MrRaivokasMagma]

Flashing screen just has better atmosphere than Snail Maze.

[@G3N0M3501DI3R]

That ending was hilarious

[@ChipMunkGuerrilla]

This is epic!

[@raymondslivinski1130]

I really.love their cheesy skits in the other channel two just makes me laugh my ass off..

[@ChaosGenerator]

Wii Sports/Resort vs. Kinect Sports would be a fun one for the list.

[@71dembonesTV]

24:25 - My favorite is when your on the elevator that goes up the side of the building and the cop car pulls near the end of the tunnel and some how shoots the RPG out, up past the elevator, and back in to rain justice from the sky LOL

[@avideogamemaster]

Final Fantasy I vs Phantasy Star I

[@sammyyo461]

Phantasy Star all the way!!! :D

[@RedArremer]

No question Phantasy Star 1, but the later sequels, no question Final Fantasy won out.

[@avideogamemaster]

PS2 wins over FF2 too

[@scottblanchard7542]

hey they did it!

[@CosmicEffect]

Space Harrier 2 (Genesis) vs. HyperZone (SNES)!

[@fero8955]

Você aqui?

[@balazsgyekiczki1140]

You guys are just pure awesome. Keep it up!

[@reagandow850]

It would be so cool if we had a 16 or 32 but Rad Racer. I remember counting the days down in school, waiting for that game to come out. I was so excited that I could drive the Ferrari and in 3D even!! The 3D stunk but the game ruled and I played that game every day after school for weeks after getting it. Ahh the memories.

[@orderofmagnitude-TPATP]

YEAH DAVE. YEAH!

[@tetrisdave]

HELL YEAH!

[@orderofmagnitude-TPATP]

..... A reply! K. O - DAVE WINS * 'FLAWLESS VICTORY'

[@orderofmagnitude-TPATP]

hey guys, just wondering, you did the neogeos, but I have noticed NOBODY has done a HYPERGEO64 and I mean NOBODY!!!! I don't know much about this failed machine, could you review even if emulated? many thanks

[@themanwiththeplan1401]

next time you do 16 bit consoles, can you compare the game kid chameleon with anoter game. Cause Kid chameleon was so good. Also nice channel.

[@tetrisdave]

Kid Chameleon is good. I just wish it had save points or passwords.

[@MattHall]

This post-episode skit was my favorite of all of them

[@Koubiak]

Great concept, well executed. Thanks, guys, keep up the good work!

[@MrGeocidal]

But the Master System II has a better built in game.

[@animalchandler]

I had Alex Kidd, my friend found the Sonic version.

[@enigma776]

Not sure if the US had it or not but in the UK/EU the SMS 1 had Super Hang on built in and not that snail thing.

[@AlienExorcist]

enigma776 My model 1 has regular Hang On (not Super) AND Snail Maze.

[@abobeleiranilton]

enigma776 I've got a french Master System 2... And the built in game it's Alex Kid...

[@Piastunkaa]

I have Sonic on my Master System 2. I live in Poland, but my console is from Germany if i remember well.

[@Sparkykelly1]

You guys keep knocking it out of the park. I do agree though that some more modern games would be great, from PS2 onwards. love the end video 😂

[@thewhitematstudio]

Great video. I'd definitely like to see more of these.

[@cultofdis]

- Twisted Metal vs. Carmageddon - Psychonauts vs. Voodoo Vince - Crash Bandicoot vs. Super Mario 64 - Castlevania: Symphony Of The Night vs. Metroid: Fusion - Gunstar Heroes vs. Contra (any) - The Suffering vs. Bloodrayne - Rayman vs. Oddworld: Abe's Odyssey - Diddy Kong Racing vs. Crash Team Racing - TMNT: Turtles In Time vs. Golden Axe

[@SargeScum]

who would you trust more with your money, Dave or Joe?

[@frankschneider6156]

A used car salesman

[@SargeScum]

Frank Schneider hah! but all jokes aside, I luv game sack

[@frankschneider6156]

Sarge Scum Yes, they are doing a heck of a job. It's probably the best video game related show on YT.

[@yellowblanka6058]

I generally don't entrust money to people I don't know in person, they could turn out to be complete psychopaths in reality (I doubt it in this case though). Based on their presented personalities though, probably Dave.

[@raydenlord]

I disagree with Space Harrier winning. Sure, the arcade version blows Worldrunner out of the water, but the Master System version is a garbled mess. Everything on the screen looks like something went terribly wrong with your cartridge. It's practically unplayable.

[@CosmicEffect]

It's perfectly playable because, while it's a low framerate game, it's fully stable (about 15 FPS I'd say, but rock-solid 15 FPS) and the controls are responsive. Anyone who played computer games from the era was used to games with low framerate -- something really common back then. I also, like Joe, love Space Harrier on the Master System -- and I mean I love to play because of how good the gameplay is. You just have to be used to low framerate games -- really, again, at the time it was a normal thing on games and we the players just had to "sync up" to the screen.

[@raydenlord]

I just played a couple of levels of both games back-to-back. Okay, so maybe Space Harrier on Master System is passable as long as there's not too many enemies on screen and nothing is shooting at you. But the second a boss shows up, or a swarm of enemies start shooting, it becomes nearly impossible to even tell what you're looking at. Worldrunner, on the other hand, is buttery smooth and nothing ever clutters the screen with blocky garbage. Space Harrier wins in the music department, because that theme song is one of the all-time classics, but Worldrunner is better in every other aspect. Space Harrier is just too messed up...It's trying too hard to do things that the Master System just couldn't handle. Worldrunner, on the other hand, knew its limitations, and came out the better game.

[@GameSack]

You're judging it with modern-gaming eyes. Nobody back in the 8-bit days thought it was garbled or unplayable. Most people thought the graphics were amazing. And for the time they were. It's certainly not unplayable. You just need to practice.

[@CosmicEffect]

> it becomes nearly impossible to even tell what you're looking at It's kind of a gameplay feature (really!) of Space Harrier (any version), After Burner or almost any Sega sprite-scaling shooter of that time. I'm serious: if there isn't moments where it's nearly impossible to even tell what you're looking at, it's not a good Space Harrier, After Burner, Thunder Blade, etc... After Burner Climax, for instance, it's full of those moments! And it's on glorious 60 FPS on Xbox 360 or arcades.

[@raydenlord]

I love Space Harrier and Afterburner and all those super-scaler Sega arcade games. But let's be honest...The Master System ports are all terrible.

[@ChanningKing]

Love this concept! While I don't have any battles to suggest, I do think it's only fair that they be from approximately the same generation since technology and what designers were generally looking to do can change so much over the next 5-10 years. Can't wait to see your next video (on any topic, not just a follow-up to this)!

[@RobbyRaccoon]

I like this series.

[@adamphillip5305]

Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing vs Mario Kart Wii

[@tetrisdave]

Hell yeah that's a great one.

[@yellowblanka6058]

Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed vs. Mario Kart 8

[@silverrod88]

metal slug vs Contra

[@sammyyo461]

I choose Contra for it's over the top "Marvel Comic" feel!!!

[@shymickey6]

Or Contra vs Gun Star Heroes?

[@Athesies]

I need a full version of that space harrier song in my life so badly Edit: oh it was linked in the description lol, thanks gamesack

[@FlintFandango]

Very well done, guys! Your competition/battle idea turns out to be an entertaining concept! Hell, I´d love to see more of this stuff!

[@AlexNintendoSega]

panzer dragoon 2 vs star fox 64

[@gurozawa]

i cant even look at space harrier wtf it looks terrible

[@Old_Man_Jay]

Exactly! How they chose that over the 3d world runner is beyond me!

[@CultCryptik]

agreed it gave me a headache looking at it

[@slyguythreeonetwonine3172]

Simple, "Welcome to Fantasyland, Get ready" *Queue Music*. I *love* Space Harrier's music along with everyone else with ears.

[@GeirEivindMork]

Try play the game before judging.

[@gurozawa]

cant play the game if i cant look at it for more than 5 seconds, can i?

[@XSkidMarcX]

Great video. Looking forward to more of these in the future.

[@JonnMcDude]

Space Harrier medley was amazing :)