Game of Thrones/ASOIAF Theories | Mysteries, Myths and Motives | Lies of the Andals

[@frankvandorp9732]

The tale of the blood sacrifice of the swan maidens made me realize that the faith of the seven seems to be the only religion in the present that doesn't practice human sacrifice. The old gods, Rhllor, the Droened God and the Faceless God all have human sacrifices. At the same time, the faith of the seven seems to be the only "dead" faith, of which we have no indication in the books that their gods exist and are powerful. We see the powers of all the others. That can't be a coincidence.

[@made-line7627]

Very good point

[@concept5631]

Imagine following the *_only_* religion that doesn't have real gods. Feels bad man

[@vinnieharper]

"The Lying Piece of Shit Andals..." LMAO

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I don't know another way to say it

[@vinnieharper]

Perfectly expressed...lol Robert Frost couldn't top it...

[@in_vas_por8810]

The statement is so true tho lol.

[@MA1.5]

Lol! Couldn't have said it better myself

[@yimlee5140]

seems like the perfect way to say it!

[@jayceee.5494]

The hate for the Andals is real 😂😂😂😂

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

they lie about everything

[@Dnzjsjdk]

Well. We no it is a lie because all other religions in the story are proven. The my problems with it is that it’s the most coming and most misguided religion in Westeros. Let’s face it. If the Andals didn’t lie , them magical stuff would happen and everyone in Westeros would known the magic exist and that the nights king is coming

[@byzantineboi8345]

There the worst Valyrians are the best

[@ememememem592]

@@TheOrderoftheGreenhand do you realize how insane and antisemetic in nature it is to generalize and entire race of people as liars? That’s not how human beings work.

[@ishubetterthanyou1582]

@@Dnzjsjdk Exactly. Almost every religion in ASOIAF world shows proof that they're real and their gods constantly interact with their followers, except the Seven. There are no magic events with them, not many stories written about them except the ones that Andals talk of.

[@Abshir1it1is]

I must say, I absolutely love how passionate you guys get when discussing this stuff. I mean, you talk so calmly and measuredly as you cuss up a storm in just the first few seconds. It's visceral and raw. I can almost taste you're quietly seething hatred.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we both have very dry sense's of humor

[@johnnymatias3027]

I had to replay that twice and once for my wife. We cracked up. Ruthless and dry. I absolutely love it.

[@HolyknightVader999]

I've noticed that the Andal religion of the Seven is the only major faith that doesn't have any powers. The faith of the First Men rooted in the old gods had magic such as warging, and we've seen what followers of the Lord of Light can do, with shadow-assassins and resurrections. But the Faith of the Seven have no power at all on its own. It's just a superstition with a gilded clubhouse. That kinda makes the Andals look like morons. The First Men had supernatural powers with their religion, and the same can be said of the Essosi who gravitate towards the Lord of Light. Yet the Andals rejected both powers in place of seven gods who haven't even shown a single miracle.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

the Seven that are one are secretive and liars...unfortunately I need to hold on to the rest of my response until part 2 comes out

[@HolyknightVader999]

I just don't understand how the Seven could have gotten hold. In a world where magic and miracles are a common sight, especially in Essos, How the fuck could a faith with no magic or powers ever achieve strength? Especially if they were but one small area in Essos...........

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

being fanatics makes any group of people tougher than they should be

[@HolyknightVader999]

The Lord of Light religion also has fanatics. But their shit actually works.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

true...we think the Seven have a few tricks up their sleaves

[@Tellemicus]

Heheheh, I can't say I'm surprised. After all, if the Maesters happily claim that OLD GHIS is the first true 'civilization' to ever exist, this implies that they must have had strong ties to Ghis. Meaning, the original Andals were likely an offshoot or a colony of the Old Ghis empire. If so, that clears up and reveals SO MUCH of where the Andals' loyalties ultimately lie.

[@made-line7627]

Interesting. Do you reckon the Andals supported slavery originally then?

[@mr.k418]

@@made-line7627 given how they treat their small folk, yes.

[@lillith3159]

What a shame that they didnt inherit the crazy hairstyles. It would be awesome to see the mesters using that hairlooks

[@cristiansaucedo4707]

@@made-line7627 I get the idea that they did. Maybe they claimed to be the opposite, though, to appear enlightened and morally superior to the Valyrians.

[@LPVince94]

What? Do you also think that historians are secretely in league with ancient egypt or something?

[@madambutterfly1997]

Don't forget that the ironborn are also sea fairing First Men, but they deny that

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

true

[@madambutterfly1997]

Lord Aurelius if anyone in the Woiaf is a race apart from anyone, it's the Valyrians, YITish and the Asshai'i who I bet are all of the same pergenitor

[@devinschaftari3169]

I think that the first men were part of the the Empire of the Dawn (pre Yi'Ti) and the Valyrians were descendants of the actual rulers of that empire. It was a massive empire so we'd have to assume that there would be several different culture groups. Asshai was undoubtedly the capitol of the empire.

[@starwarfan8342]

The Valyrians can be as different as they want, but if anyone's a different species of humans, it's the Ibbenese AND the Brindled Men.

[@lollicupkate]

Ooh also the Starks with Brandon the Shipwright

[@raveneyex]

The first time I saw a video from this channel I was like "Meh. More tinfoil lunatics"; but the more I viewed the more I was convinced. Have to admit that there are some claims that challenged my expectations, and I even went as far as comparing the evidence for what you guys propose with those of my own expectations and damn... You guys seriously pull of a really deep research. Keep it up!

[@jeffreyaguilar8028]

Andals: (exists) Order of the Greenhand: So anyway we took that personal.

[@whitpur6834]

I wonder if the Andals didn't specifically choose Westeros to because the Valyrians had a prophecy about being destroyed by the gold of Casterly Rock? So, they knew that the Valyrians would never attempt to colonize that land and impose religious freedom.

[@sophiawilson8696]

I have heard this rumour also but GRRM said that before Doom happen The Valyrains were planing to invasion of Westeros. ( what bad timing)

[@kensingcd]

You know how Drogo constantly Jorah “the Andal”? Do you think that was because he was a slaver? Never thought about that until this video

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I always assumed it was because he's from Westeros and the Dothraki call Westeros Vaes Andalos, which translates to Land of the Andals, or something to that effect...it could have something to do with his slaving past, but that would depend on how forthcoming Jorah was with Drogo...Drogo doesn't seem (at least to me) to be the type that cares why someone was exiled, but he's a very unique Khal so who knows

[@jeannebouwman1970]

Well the dothraki slave all the time aswell

[@ashleyofnaath]

Grey rats...I'm hearing a touch of Lady Dustin in this video😁. Love it! Awesome video guys.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

long time no chat...good to see you in here...how have you been?

[@ashleyofnaath]

The Order of the Green Hand Oh I know its been a while. My apologies; I got so caught up in my channel that I stopped watching other videos. I got burnt out on KZbin lol. But I'm back! And I've been ok; I have some health issues that are finally starting to get better so I'm encouraged. Congratulations! I saw on Facebook that someone put a ring on it...I'm so happy for you guys❤.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much...it took me forever to pick a stone I thought would be worthy of m'lady...and we totally understand...we don't watch other people's videos very often unless someone sends us a link of something that we think would be interesting...and congrats on your channel...it takes a while to get noticed but keep putting logical well thought out videos together and people will notice you eventually...it took us like 4-5 months to make a video that got noticed...and take care of yourself...as old people always say, if you don't have your health, you don't have anything

[@ashleyofnaath]

The Order of the Green Hand Well you picked a beautiful stone! I'm sure Lady Greenhand is quite proud of it😊. I thought y'all were already married honestly; you're so good together I guess I just assumed lol. And thank you for the encouragement, it means a lot. I never thought I'd get 10 views on any video I do so I'm proud that I have what I have, however little that is. Like you said, you just have to keep at it and eventually you'll get there.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we've been living together for over 4 years, so we were practically already married...we didn't think people would watch us either and we continued to think it for months and then right around Thanksgiving all of a sudden out of nowhere a bunch of people watched our videos in the Netherlands and that was all it took...then our videos went from having like 100 views to having videos with over 1000 views and then people seem to view us as more credible

[@Weakbody2]

House Arryn is described as having the purest Andal bloodline in Westoros, and they are usually blond (eg: Jon Arryn and Harrold Hardyng)

[@lonestarwolfentertainment7184]

We don’t know how true that statement is though.

[@voriandayne-en9gb]

One bloodline doesn’t speak for the others. The Lannisters, Daynes, Hightowers, and many others are older bloodlines from the first men and they’re the ones famous for their fair skin and hair

[@Faustus_de_Reiz]

​@@voriandayne-en9gbnone of those households are first man...

[@BL-bg1fj]

@@Faustus_de_Reizthey all are. The Hightower’s and Daynes have been around longer than most houses including the starks and the Lannisters, while a younger house, still predate the andals

[@Faustus_de_Reiz]

@@BL-bg1fj predating the Andals doesn't mean they are first men. The Daynes as an example of invaders from the Empire of Dawn, prior to Andals.

[@asii_k]

I don’t always agree with your conclusions but I really appreciate how thought provoking your videos are and certainly make me think hard about things I had taken for granted. You guys definitely stand out from much of the asoiaf KZbin crowd and am always excited when a new video pops up in my feed!

[@chronikhiles]

I personally feel that the Andals don't have that great a history to boast about. They feared the Valyrians and fled from Essos, attacking the First Men in the process and destroying the COTF. They retreated from the strong and preyed on the weak. The Targaryens taught them their place. Fire and blood!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we think Maegor the Cruel had the right idea, but should have gone farther

[@chronikhiles]

The Order of the Green Hand I've always felt that Maegor was a great ruler, one that the Targaryens needed in their time of despair. His cruelty towards the Faith was necessary for the restoration of the mighty empire.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

agreed...I also think he has been demonized by the grey rats for doing what needed to be done

[@chronikhiles]

The Order of the Green Hand And hey, thanks for the reply, it means a lot to me. :)

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we do our best to try to keep up with comments and reply to as many as we can...especially people who are clearly interested and aren't in our comment section to pick fights with people

[@ivanbluecool]

For the stannis story. I find it ironic that stannis started his own way of making people bend to him but now in the north he listens to Jon and changes his plan by winning over small battles instead like what Robert or renly would do

[@pushista9322]

Oh my God, these videos are addictive. You are so eloquent and badass!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

awww

[@madambutterfly1997]

I believe that Hugor of the Hill didn't exist at all and that that was the story that the Andals told to hide the truth that they ran from Valyria since the seven was the only faith not allowed in the Freehold

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

part 2 is going to center around what worshiping the Seven actually means

[@HolyknightVader999]

Or, maybe Hugor of the Hill got really high on their version of Hashish.

[@Altorin]

The Order of the Green Hand thanks can't wait to hear that because I have some interesting thoughts on that. Well. I'm interested by them lol

[@sophiawilson8696]

I believe your second part of the statement is wrong I think they left Anglos for more easier people to be taken over. I believe that Andals knew some day the The Freehold will came for them. Once the Rhoyar was gone., Believing that their faith is only one that should be worship.

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

the DL only game for the people that attacked them but the maestar always talk about the dragonlords like they are the ones who started the fight when in reality their ending it sure they probably did start some but not all I think the masestar should at least mention that

[@ThePurpleman21]

I hope you guys are going to talk about the RAPID decline of the numbers in the Night's Watch! Like how it was still at full strength when Aegon first landed in Westeros and now just three centuries later, is less than a tenth of that, that can't just be due to fewer wars being fought. Also congratulations on your engagement! Wishing you many little Gardeners in the future ;P

[@TYTfan]

This is a great question. I had just assumed that the decline was slow and steady after the vows were changed to make it so they couldn't take wives, but there were 10k brothers when Aegon landed vs 2k when Jon joined up. That is a pretty rapid decline especially if Aegon was somehow clued in on the bigger picture. One guess that comes to mind is that there were a lot less wars under the King's Peace so there we less reason to exile high borns as a condition of peace.

[@Canuovea]

The first thing you learn when doing history is that every source has an agenda and cannot be fully trusted. This includes the Andals AND the mythology of the First Men and so forth. Crystal Swords in the Darkness? I'm liking these Others more and more.

[@yuffmymateria7859]

Good video. I know this isn't relevant to the topic, but I think arguably the biggest evidence to the N+A=J theory is that Stark blood is shown to be weak because near all of Ned's children look like Catelyn (hair) but people somehow think that Lyanna's genes overpowered Rhaegar, and Targaryens seem to be very strong blooded, I mean Aegon has to dye his hair to cover it up and his mother is a Martell right, a person whose blood I'd imagine is very strong, they're darker skinned and dark hair and eyed right. So there's no chance that Jon would look exactly like a stark if his mother was one if his father was a Targaryen. If Ashara is the same color pallet as Ned, white brunette, tan at best, then it'd make sense if they're child turned out looking like Jon. It just seems near impossible for Jon to be Rhaegar and Lyanna's IMO, using the same logic that was so crucial in AGoT with "Robert's" children when Jon Arryn and Ned himself was on the case. I don't remember if you ever went into the specifics of this aspect in your NAJ vids before, I just needed to point out it's clear importance either way and showcase why it makes me so skeptical. If you haven't mentioned it in vid go for it, fact check and whatnot I was just thinking out loud. Love you guys, looking forward to more

[@King_Mac80]

Valerian blood is the weakest in the story which is why when King Viserarys daughter cheats on her husband its immediately recognizable because all of her kids look like her paramour. Also Arya looks like a Stark and the Tully's are also of first men descent.

[@Ws85music]

This is the best “A song of ice and fire” video that I’ve ever let autoplay on my TV

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thanks. Much appreciated

[@carlbates9110]

I think some points brought up, like the Andals originally enslaving people despite them now claiming to be against slavery, could just be dismissed as the Andals changing culturally over the generations (after all, they did go from being nomads to a sedentary society during that timespan). This is supported by the fact that the Andals really were against slavery by the time they conquered Westeros.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

did you happen to see the next video in the playlist? "Wherever the First Men sought to resist, they were gound underfoot, reduced to thralls, or driven out." TWOIAF Thrall is another word for slave

[@carlbates9110]

Fair enough, though even then they likely ditched the practice soon after settling in Westeros and as they gradually united politically.

[@BlackGoatofQohor]

Just became a patron, had to make an account because you are the first channel I ever contributed to. Watched all your videos several times already. I really hope more people will do the same so you guys can make this into a job. The quality of your production is incredible. The way you illustrate your scripts makes them identical to real e-books. I am a senior in law school and I can wholeheartedly say that your argumentation structure is on point. I hope you don't get frustrated with the lack of views, KZbin is broken, you have to produce videos daily these days to get views, and also people are idiots so just because you produce high quality content, does not mean you will instantly get a big audience. Lastly, you can always expand your patreon options to include 5/10/25 bucks, your content is certainly worth the money imo.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much...we really appreciate that coming from someone who is well on their way to becoming a professional arguer

[@dcox5555]

Pure genius! I would have never thought this deep about the lies of the faith! I would love to read some of your original work. I know you have some! You two are way too good at this! You got a fan for life! I’m absolutely enthralled. I drive boats for a living and listen to ASOIF lore and ideas for like 12 hours a day. I’ve listen to countless hours of other you tubers and again I must say you two are head and shoulders above everything else I’ve listened to. You should collaborate with Ideas of Ice And Fire. They have a great grasp of this lore as well. Keep up the hard work guys!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much. We just do our best to try to figure out what’s going on. And Quinn is probably our best friend in the community. We’ve done 6 or 7 live-streams and podcasts together

[@dcox5555]

Awesome!

[@dengy32]

9am meeting cancelled and OTGH posts a video? jackpot!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I like the way you think

[@lonestarwolfentertainment7184]

“So the Andals in Westeros claim that slavery is seen as an abomination by their Religion, yet they themselves have a long standing tradition of being slave owners.” Its the typical “Rules for thee but not for me” schtick that you see in the three Abrahamic Religions.

[@pushista9322]

GRRM really wanted us readers to learn how to work with historical sources in real life!

[@ivanbluecool]

New theory. Catylyn is of andal direct decent

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Hoster is an anagram of Others

[@ivanbluecool]

The Order of the Green Hand theory confirmed

[@ivanbluecool]

J Lord I know that. I'm just referencing thier cat videos of being a backstabbing lier to everyone

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

remember who is giving us the information

[@raguelelnaqum]

That can't work Hosue Tully sadly has confirmed intermarriage with House Blackwood

[@knarfdrofnats9620]

A 20min video and this is only the first part...Great to hear!!!Keep em coming you two. We need these videos. God knows when George will finally decide to drop the book on us. I just hope he's not waiting until the show is over now that he separated himself from them. -thanks d&d :-(

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thanks Frank...part 2 is already largely scripted

[@imccom]

Amazing as per usual. Thanks so much Lord & Lady GH! This is the one youtube channel that I check every day for updates. Cant wait for part 2!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much...I wish we were capable of putting more content out than we do

[@jimboy3625]

Amazing job guys, you have some of the most incredible ideas and then flesh them out so well it seems like you have a secret book with all the answers! After you document everything so well I go back to the text and look, it was there all along!!! Your observation skill and dot connecting abilities are off the charts! I'm looking forward to your next video! I'm still patiently awaiting for your CoTF series that has been on the back burner, someday soon hopefully!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much Jim...we are going to get back to talking about the CotF soon enough

[@FishBoneD14]

Congrats on the engagement and thanks for the great work as always.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

Nice, I always look forward to your videos, the production quality is so high! EDIT: 19:37 - 20:00 Oh man, can't wait for the next one!!!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you John

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we felt like we didn't get to most of our really good stuff and wanted to give you guys something big to think about until next week

[@OscyJack-]

You guys have the best videos. I love having these longer ones centered around thebooks rather than the show . Keep it up!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you

[@OscyJack-]

Very welcome. I am serious, nobody else touches the level of detail you two do.

[@Shyssiryxius]

You two are the best SoIF YT Channel. Amazingly insightful and so well delivered. The passion you have for the novels really shows. Now take this formula, diversify, and make a living from it - You can do it!

[@TYTfan]

Man just rewatched Lies of the Seven and I got me so pumped I'm starting this playlist from the top to give them all another listen. Thank you for your content.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you for watching

[@aaronginsberg4993]

There is evidence that there is at least one blond or at least sandy-haired Andal house. Harry Hardyng is described as having sandy hair and is said to have the Arryn look thus "the young falcon" nickname. It seems likely that House Arryn, described as a pure blood Andal house has blond or sandy hair. Of course, Sweet Robin has brown hair but his father is probably Littlefinger so that shouldn't be a consideration. The seed is strong after all.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

sweetrobin's mother is a red head...if his father was a blonde, there would have been rampant speculation that he isn't his don't you think? or at the very least, don't you think that if dark hair didn't run in their family the rumors would have been all over the place...they were in court at KL, where there is little to no doubt that it would have been brought up

[@aaronginsberg4993]

It came up. Why do you think Jon Arryn and Stannis started looking for all of Robert's bastards? Why do you think he was looking at the genealogy of all the Great Houses? But generally, Robert Baratheon's court was filled with young men outside of Jon Arryn who probably went grey before he ever came to King's Landing. Is Pycelle going to say something? How much interaction did Varys have with the Arryns during Aerys II's reign? Alternatively, look at it this way. Why did Lysa flee King's Landing and go to the Vale? Why was Robert Baratheon prepared to name Jaime Lannister Warden of the East? And why did he refuse to tell Ned why he wanted to do so? Or, more simply, why the hell would Littlefinger kill his benefactor and biggest ally on the small council?

[@cmanley2]

A great way to start out the month! A new video from The Order! Keep up the amazing work!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much

[@ladyszechuan8934]

What a great way to wake up! Some great history of my favorite world.

[@tbunating1451]

"Today we are going to talk about the Lying piece of shit Andals" easily the best intro ever

[@crazyscotsman9327]

I look forward to your guy's videos every week and I rewatch them over and over again. Fantastic video!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you Ser Crazyscotsman

[@crazyscotsman9327]

Ser?! I am no KNIGHT! I refuse to have anything to do with the Faith of the Seven! I serve the Old Gods!!!!! *Raises a Stark banner* The North Remembers!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

my apologies...I won't make that mistake again

[@crazyscotsman9327]

lol but in all seriousness I adore your videos and I can't wait to see where you are going with this theory. And I am begging you guys to make a video of why Cat Tully 2.0 is just as bad as her mother.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we really want to so a Why Sansa Sucks video, but we want to hold off and see what she does next because most of her most egregious errors were made when she was 11 years old and thrust into a game that was way over her head...if she continues to suck though, the gloves will come off

[@allyriastark3508]

I shivered at the end, omg. I didn't think of the connection between Andals and the Others. Since we know Maesters are minions of Andals do you think there is a significance that Doran seemed to not to send a Maester with Arianne? Does that make you question the loyalty of Haldon Halfmaester to Aegon?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we have some bombs that are going to be dropped next week...we couldn't get a lot of the material into this one...this is going to end up being two maybe three videos...no comment on Doran, and I personally think that the family Haldon comes from would trump his half-maester status

[@allyriastark3508]

The Order of the Green Hand thank you for answering. I guess you plan a video about Doran before answering my first question, and I kinda like Haldon so I was worried he will shit on Aegon's future as a King.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we want to take care of the Andals and Rhoynar videos before we get into Doran because he is half Andal and half Rhoynish

[@allyriastark3508]

The Order of the Green Hand is he that Dangerous? damn. What do you think is main features of Andals btw? I will admit I don't know the prominent Andal houses due to my disinterest but could they be red headed like Tully's or was it Minisa Whent who had red hair and blue eyes?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

they seem to have dark hair...their other features is something that has to wait for next week...every single official picture of them shows them with dark hair, and we searched the entire text looking for blonde andals and couldn't find any

[@andreasilk8201]

Love your videos, they're so much fun to watch! Thanks again for all your hard work!!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much for watching

[@shashankdwivedi5694]

I really like how you guys put GRRM interviews ass well it really help's us understand nt just story bt also the man whose mind it came from (keep it up order of green hand,your KZbin's smallfolk are faithful to u ;-)

[@Druidjezus]

Another excellent presentation, I continue to enjoy your in depth and thorough analysis. Thank you for all your hard work.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much

[@thebovineavenger]

I am back again. You know me. Love me some Greenhand. It is all I have when I have NO NEW Martin books to read. SOOOOOO wine in hand, favorite Greenhand series loaded. LET'S Do This.

[@hachibidelta4237]

Aren't the Arryns blonde Andals? although its likely they intermarried first men houses like Royce, Corbray and Waynwood.

[@jorenvanderark3567]

When it came to theon stark and his ships i always thought that the first men where not seafaring when they settled westeros but learned the art of shipbuilding in the few thousand years between that and him.

[@jorenvanderark3567]

And litteraly a few seconds later you mention the first men settling islands... sorry.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

and the Iron Born clearly are First Men who were seafaring too

[@jorenvanderark3567]

The Order of the Green Hand Well my personal theory is that they came from the other side of the world, landing on the iron islands while the first men where spreading in westeros thus explaining on how the ironborn claims that they came from the sea and are not related to the first men.

[@Argentocoxos]

If I can play devil’s advocate for a minute, prior to the founding of Volantis, the Rhoynish were a significant buffer with their armies and massive fleets hampering the Valyrians, as you mentioned in the video, dragon riders were one thing but land armies faced tough resistance and let’s not forget that even when the Rhoynish were more or less a broken people, they still managed to gather a fleet large enough to evacuate a significant portion of their population, so they can’t have been an insignificant naval power prior to that. After settling Volantis, the Rhoynish were pretty much bottled up and the Valyrians were much freer to raid all the way across to the west coast of Essos and up to Andalos, so I can see how the founding of Volantis could have had an impact on how threatening the Valyrians were to the Andals. [/DA] . Thoroughly enjoy your content and I’m really looking to the next part! N + A = J ftw! =) .(Sorry for the long comment)

[@thisiskamTV]

You two are awesome. Your presentation style, the sound track, your topic choice, the consistency......please keep it up

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much...good to see your name pop up again...and thanks for suggesting amino to us way back in the day...we have a nice little following there too and have met a few great people there

[@thefinest7574]

Actually you may have forgot but the lannisters were originally a first men house but when king of the rock Gerold the third died without an heir ser joffrey lyden his daughters husband who was also an andal became head of the house thus transforming them into an andal house. The lannisters have been andals for thousands of years so I think that blonde hair is an andal trait.

[@thefinest7574]

Also house dayne is dornish which has strong rhonyish blood in it and given the fact that you acknowledged that the rhoynish and andals had some contact with eachother its likely there was some interbreeding

[@starmanjoestar8798]

@@thefinest7574 House Dayne are stony dornishmen which meant that they have the least amount of rhoynar blood. Not all people from dorne are rhoynish.

[@hubblito]

Love these videos... Please keep them coming! The explanations are so clear and concise

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much

[@sophiemoconnell]

Thanks guys, this is just wjat I needed!!! I've literally just come back from an interview only to find this lovely gem waiting for me. Imma gonna start a bath and chill the fook out before I have to start prep for the next interview tomorrow I think...

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we hope you enjoy

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

and good luck with your interviews

[@sophiemoconnell]

Thanks guys, fingers crossed! Also I LOVED the video. Confirming the Others connection was so worth the wait! I have some suspicions the Church of Starry Wisdom and the Seven are connected... Meant to ask, are the Lannisters part Andal part first men nowadays? I always mistook them as Andal for some reason.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

they are descended from Lann the Clever who is Garth Greenhand's grandson...he had golden hair...they live south of the Neck so it seems almost impossible that they don't have some Andal blood but their golden hair comes from Lann

[@sophiemoconnell]

Ah that makes sense thanks guys! Seems like those lying piece of shit Andals have been spreading their seed in as many Westerosi peoples as possible... Bar the Northerners of of course. :)

[@Kunumbah1]

11:32 I don’t think this statement is 100% factual. The Arryns had blond hair before good ol’ Lysa Tully got mixed into the gene pool. Regardless of this other members of the family like the Hardyings have blond hair and Harold Arryn/Hardying was described as looking just like Jon Arryn in his youth.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

they might have blondish hair, but they have a lot of Targ blood...they must also have dark hair in their family though...if they didn't everyone in the Vale would be talking about Sweetrobin's dark hair and looking at his red head mother and wondering how this happened

[@Kunumbah1]

The Order of the Green Hand Fair point

[@bustercall5744]

I love your channel, your videos, everything about it! So happy for you both! Its great news, enjoyed the video as always.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you Buster

[@tisalew]

I've been up all night and was about to go and finally sleep. But nope gotta watch the video first. 😂 You guys are the best.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thanks tisalew...we like where your head is at

[@mozart7820]

Just what I needed after a long day at work. Congratulations on your engagement wishing you a long and happy life together 💚

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thanks Jim...hope you enjoy

[@mozart7820]

The Order of the Green Hand Quick question. Could Euron with his tongue less/silent crew and their similarity to the priests of Boash and their silent god be evidence of Euron been influenced by the many faced god/Bloodraven/weirwoods/?

[@mrs.coachj]

Looking forward to the next chapter of this discussion. Always a pleasure to watch your videos 😊

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you elizabeth

[@lucasluu1919]

ooooh boy. Fresh new wolf's den. Just got to roll my joint before i watch this amazing video(i already know its amazing, 'cause the title got me thinking)Thank you so much lord & lady greenhand. greetings from brasil

[@JohnTCampbell1986]

Halfway through cooking dinner and a new TOotGH video notification comes through. Dinner dropped like its hot, burnt and ruined but totally worth it

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we appreciate your priorities

[@tammysully12news]

Long time sub, first time to comment. I love your channel!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you Tammy

[@diegooddi1712]

oh, men, I've always hated the andals so much, loved this video. And one has to ask once more what is the long-term plan of the meisters...

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you Diego...the Maesters are a creepy group of guys...even in the show they seemed to be drawing our attention to it

[@Altorin]

The Order of the Green Hand in the show, I wasn't creeped out so much as disappointed Utterly disappointed. That's what happens when you take a lynchpin character like marwyn and give him the axe

[@sflr38]

Please research this dead guy, so random and specific. Clash of Kings. - Arya IV It seemed a peaceful place . . . until Koss spotted the dead man. "There, in the reeds." He pointed, and Arya saw it. The body of a soldier, shapeless and swollen. His sodden green cloak had hung up on a rotted log, and a school of tiny silver fishes were nibbling at his face. "I told you there was bodies," Lommy announced. "I could taste them in that water." When Yoren saw the corpse, he spat. "Dobber, see if he's got anything worth the taking. Mail, knife, a bit o' coin, what have you." He spurred his gelding and rode out into the river, but the horse struggled in the soft mud and beyond the reeds the water deepened. Yoren rode back angry, his horse covered in brown slime up to the knees. "We won't be crossing here. Koss, you'll come with me upriver, look for a ford. Woth, Gerren, you go downstream. The rest o' you wait here. Put a guard out." Dobber found a leather purse in the dead man's belt. Inside were four coppers and a little hank of blond hair tied up with a red ribbon.

[@XXcaesar5000]

I love all your stuff so to say great video is a bit bias . so ill thank you for 20.36 min video and the time it takes to put out a quality video of that length .that realy shows the thought you've put into the books and yea great video as always

[@bob513993]

Grey rat is an insult to Greirat :( Also, abiding and prospering are two totally separate states of being. For a scholar describing the history after the fact, it’s quite possible for the Andals to have abided in their hills for thousands of years, but to have prospered and amassed most of their power in the couple hundred years before they started expanding.

[@lynnjohanssen6552]

I'm so confused and I don't know if it's because I haven't read enough of the books yet or need to watch this video again, but I can't wait till next week!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

this is a confusing topic because most of the information we get on the history of this world comes from the Andals and they seemingly lie about everything...it took us months to compile enough instances where we know they lied to begin making videos about it

[@SpydeTJ]

Do you think it's possible that Serwyn of the mirror shield was actually Ser Wyn as a knight

[@ghufrankhalid1719]

I personally think that the Faith of the Seven is a parallel of Christianity. "The seven who are one" sounds a lot like "the three who are one" concept of trinity. Their Septs are like churches, their High Septon acts like the Pope. Septons, like Christian priests, take vows of celibacy. Their traditions of knighthood and such also parallel the legends of the Christian knights in medieval times. The Faith Militant is like a mixture of the Inquisitions and orders like the Knights Templar. At the same time I would say that the Faith of the Lord of Light parallels Islam. One God whose followers hate idol worship and are big on proselytizing their faith. They live mainly in the Free Cities of the East, which in their wealth and knowledge and slave customs parallel the Arabic cities like Baghdad and Damascus in the medieval times

[@covenawhite4855]

I think the Maesters represent the Record Keeping part of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Priests were the main people who could read or write in Europe. The First Universities in Europe that taught Medicine, Law, Rhetoric, and Religion for payment were Catholic Cathedrals. Plus, Maesters take vows of Celibacy.

[@rionriley8518]

Lannister was a first man house that intermarried with the Andals, the First men line died out years ago and An Andal who married into the family (Joffrey Lydden) Adopted the name and sigil of the Lannisters. He was in fact blonde from my understanding. So the Lannisters are a blonde Andal house.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Lann the Clever had hair as golden as the sun and so did all his heirs

[@rionriley8518]

I know that, they’re pretty much saying no Andals had blonde hair though when they have. Joffrey was an example.

[@rulesnwitz]

Rion Riley hey man I’m struggling to find any actual description of this guy you gotta include a source for me either link or maybe book and chapter? Thanks

[@starmanjoestar8798]

@@rulesnwitz He doesn't have a source lmao

[@blizzardandmai1129]

I was casually knitting as I watched yet another perfect video by you and that sneak peak... I thought you were going to say House Dayne then you said others and I was like 'hell yeah!' Congrats on the engagement!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much

[@Cronoo]

Someday you'll sit on the throne and the truth will be what you make it. -cersei

[@jamesh1225]

Great video as usual folks,man you’ve got a cool voice for narration should do a few chapters,and congratulations🍺❤️👑🐺⚔️🔥🤘

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much

[@Lightwish01]

Another great video. One of your best! So in depth! I would love to see another Ashai and Stygai video! Either that or the Lengii and their undercity with deity. The structures in the jungle made of greasy black stone would also be great?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we'll get to them soon I hope

[@sophiawilson8696]

I found an interesting item on CivilizationEx that Andals was running from (Raise Power of Valyians) like The Rhoymar did at the end of their war with the Valyians. They ran to Westeros to take over the whole of Westeros, but the North stop them in their tracks. Point is the Andals never fought the Valyians they use The Rhoymar as a buffer.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

none of it makes any sense

[@sophiawilson8696]

yes does why fight a stronger enemy if you find weaker enemy one and take over their country. Also place your religion in front of the original one they had.

[@MrM4TR1M]

Nice! Been waiting for this one!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

part 2 coming soon

[@chirhoiota885]

A serious thrill runs through me when I see a new Order of the Green Hand video. You're the best.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much

[@MrBlaqBobbi]

You are blowing my mind

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thanks Robert

[@bouboubibila979]

Nice video. Can't wait to see what kind of connection you believe exists between the Andals and the Others. Also what do you think of Tyrion assuming the alias "Hugor Hill"? George certainly chose it for a good reason. Could it be an indication that the Lannisters are more of an Andal family than a First Men one?

[@sbwilkinson60]

Great ending. I love where this is headed!!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thanks Steve

[@dennisb1698]

On a completely different note. I'm re-reading the books and I've just now come across a passage (regarding one of your earlier videos where you said Benjen might have taken the black because of what Ned had let happen with Lyanna (evidence was I believe they never spoke when Robert visited Winterfell)). It's something Jon said in A Storm of Swords when Stannis offers him to be Lord of Winterfell. Don't have the exact quote here, but the context is: "My father and uncle Benjen often spoke of resettling the lands of the Gift." Implying they did speak (and often).

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

That’s business. Benjen never told Ned Jon spoke with him about taking the Black and instead went to Luwin with it

[@dennisb1698]

@@TheOrderoftheGreenhand Fair point. Just trying to come at it from different angles. That is the process of science :) Still, the evidence you present outweighs the R+L=J hypothesis I find.

[@bradwolf07]

I think the ancient Valerians were a branch of First Men. Time and Distance had them evolve differently. So if I'm right, it could be that the Andals saw the First Men, recognize similarities and thus sought to convince the First Men descendants against Valerian's descendants with their propaganda

[@yimlee5140]

00:01 omg, that voice again.... how F----N awesome! been waiting for a week

[@ComeInAlone00000]

Hell yeah! You guys are really starting to become one of my favorite CC's. Fuck the Andals!

[@ComeInAlone00000]

Oh, and from what I gather from the comments you guys are engaged? Congrats! two awesome people

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you Michael

[@cassiocosta9854]

Wtf Ser Green! The last part gave me chill winter is coming... By the way congratulations on your engagement 👏👏🎉🎊🎈

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

when Lady Green Hand showed me that Cersei quote last week I thought my head was going to explode

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

and thank you

[@alex73217]

How one of their kings who was crowned by the 7 is Hugor of the Hill..... that reminds me of Tyrion who calls himself Hugor Hill while in Essos

[@allyriastark3508]

Alex Krause he took the name from Andal history he says so himself

[@Ironmaniacs7]

"There would be a few andals with blonde hair, right?" Jorah the _______

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

has black hair in the books...and he's from a Northern House, likely making him of First Men descent

[@callumwebb4927]

Nice try

[@jjvoity7797]

The (implied) connection of Others to Andals in the next video seems far fetched but you always do your homework, so we'll see where that's going.

[@seanbarker2013]

The first Arryns were Andals and have blonde hair

[@cesaraugusto7940]

Great review!!! Keep going pls!!

[@Altrantis]

The Andals are based on the vandals and the various goths. None of them left -any- architectual landmark. Mostly because they build in wood. Regarding iron, the Rhoynar knew to use iron, but like the Dornish, they mostly used copper or bronze. The Andals can actually be credited for full suits of iron and mass use of iron. The Andals who did settle Westeros can also be credited with opposing slavery since they are the dominant culture in Westeros and Westeros is the only place besides Braavos where slavery is illegal, and they didn't take the first men as slaves. Building in stone isn't really harder than building in wood considering that nails didn't exist. It is, however, cheapier and faster. Stone is common everywhere, wood is not. Generally, historically, when people can choose, they choose wood.

[@DarthBigBen]

Admittedly, it should be noted that the Valyrians saw religious tolerance as a tool to keep their subjects divided. I also think it’s likely that they did take survivors of Qarlon’s kingdom as slaves, because that’s what happened to everyone else they defeated and subjugated.

[@guesswho1047]

POS grey sheep indeed....they are on point with the "story tellers" of current times. Nice job with warning us of the abrupt ending, 😉 looking forward to how you will tie this in the video next week. I am certain they are very involved in what I believe was a direct betrayal that "made" the "others" & not necessarily how HBO spun it. Loving the earlier upload makes the work day more bearable! 💚✋

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

the Andals are some creepy mofos...there is no reason to lie about your history if you aren't hiding something terrible

[@Altorin]

The Order of the Green Hand that is not necessarily true They could be hiding something mundane and boring and hope to sell it as something less so. If they had sold us king Arthur as historical fact that doesn't necessarily mean that its hiding King Bongo the baby eater. It just means it could be hiding a cannibal king.

[@michaelhooper6227]

I dont always agree with all your theories, but no matter what it is well researched and has well supported evidence. Y'all are one of the best ASOIAF channels hands down. Yall and Quinn are my favorites because yall put theories with stuff that support it. Not like greyarea and other who half ass it just to put out a video, yall do it because you love it.

[@leonthecool123]

Seems like those andals might be a related to old gist b n bloodstone emperor. The freehold was gunning for them right after dealing with gist empire. Smells fishy. Also I remember a quote” the devil greatest trick was convincing the world he didn’t exist”. Seem like what the masters are doing. N congratulations on the engagement!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thanks Leon

[@deancross8472]

This might sound weird but...... I now can't wait to go to bed tonight. It's the only peaceful time I have to lie back, relax and listen to the sweet voices of TOOTGH

[@TheSomewhereElse]

Awesome cliffhanger!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you

[@Michy1328]

The Lannisters have more Andal blood than any other family? In the page on Andals, it says "Even the Lannisters claim at least some minor descent form the first men" and the Lannister page says "Fair-haired, tall and handsome, the modern Lannisters are the blood of Andal adventurers who carved out a mighty kingdom in the western hills and valleys. Through the female line, they boast of descent from Lann the Clever..." gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Andals gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/House_Lannister

[@allyriastark3508]

Michelle Lannisters are descendants of Lann the Clever and related to Florent their last heir was a woman who married an Andal knight Joffrey who adopted to Lannister name for himself. So yes Lannister has both first men and Andal blood. Lann the Clever I think has the blonde hair and colored eyes

[@Michy1328]

i wasn't saying they didnt have any First Men blood, just that they were more Andal than first Men, and I didnt understand why in the video they basically said they had the same amoutn of First Men Blood as the Starks

[@FishBoneD14]

Was Jon aryn not blonde in his youth? That house has Valyrian blood sure but also pretty Andal. Also Lan the clever is believed by many to be an Andal adventurer so there may be a few prominent blonde Andals. I may well be wrong and obviously trust in your research.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Lann the Clever is from the Age of Heroes...we never get a description of Jon Arryn but his son has dark hair and his wife was a red head and no one ever brings that up as impossible

[@FishBoneD14]

The only reason I thought Jon Arryn had blonde hair is because in WOW Alayne 1 it is stated that As a younger man he resembled Harrold Hardyng, who has blue eyes, blonde hair, and an aquiline nose. I guess you don’t need exact hair color to resemble a close relative though.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

The Arryns have a lot of First Men and Targaryen blood too.

[@coreymicallef365]

So if the Andals were in Braavos and you have found some evidence of an Andal connection with the Others and you think the Faceless Men are a religous order worshiping the Others do you think the Andals had anything to do with the construction of the temple of the Many Faced God in Braavos?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

the answer to that will have to wait til next week