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Part 5 of Mysteries, Myths and Motives: Who is Old Nan?
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[@tommyforrest9680]

Dunk and Old Nan could also have married in front of the weirwood tree in Winterfell, as in one of Bran's visions he sees a "slender brown-haired girl, kissing a knight as tall as Hodor"

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I don't think they married but I think that was Dunk and Rohanne (with her hair dyed). I had that in my notes and forgot to put it in the video...it was the part that really drove the whole thing home

[@tommyforrest9680]

The Order of the Green Hand Do you mind if a recommend a future video? Answering the question "Where do whores go?"

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

We'll take a look at it

[@fitbullaussie9002]

Some would say, to Tywin's bed.

[@petrmaly9087]

They go east, with a lot of money, but ultimately, are left with just one Penny...

[@GerryBolger]

If GRRM actually wrote all these theories to be true then he deserves a fuckin Nobel prize.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

haha funny to think about

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+Raydrick Davis That's why he takes so long to write them. There's 10,000 details to line up

[@icandoboth]

Actually, if you read the acknowledgements, he talks about how Linda & Elio (the people who keep Westeros.org) are the ones who fix all his detail mistakes, since he can't keep track of them.

[@Bluemilk92]

Even if the theories are wrong, he deserves a Nobel prize.

[@pyramidion5911]

Give it to him already because the book is packed with symbolism, foreshadowing and layering of all these stories telling each other.

[@christopherlewis1315]

Old Nan is Rhaegar, because, everyone is secretly Rhaegar.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+Christopher Lewis hahahaha. It seems that almost every theory channel but us has a Rhaegar =______ theory

[@christopherlewis1315]

The Order of the Green Hand All joking aside, I think you guys are the best ASOIAF theory channelout there, keep up the good work!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much...Bloodraven 3 is almost ready...hoping it will be out later tonight but it is more likely going to be ready tomorrow

[@gigihadid3745]

This theory makes my pussy so wet.

[@johnconnelly5040]

Gigi Haded. Although I find it hard to believe (your level of approval making certain bodily liquids more plentiful/ prodigious), I do agree that TOTGH is one of the best conspiracy theorists channels out there! These guys have the most thorough analysis/research, as well as well-articulared ideas/theories of ANY channel out there! I especially enjoy the dude/gal narration interplay, as it gives a sense of knowledgeable background thst might otherwise be missing. A very original and well done series of original material related to ASOIAF!! Keep at it Wolves! John

[@nirvaanghosh9075]

If this is true, this would mean that Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion (and pretty much the entirety of the current House Lannister), Brienne, Hodor and a few other unnamed people (descendants of Nan's daughters) are all related... Jeez... that's a lot of cousins. Not to mention, this gives a new meaning to Jaime's comments to Brienne in Season 4 when they're discussing Sansa. Haha XD "Are you sure we're not related ? Ever since I've returned every Lannister I've seen has been a miserable pain in my arse. Maybe you're a Lannister too! You've got the hair for it, if not the looks." Awesome...

[@mashenka8766]

Nirvaan Ghosh GRRM being sneaky as always

[@pyramidion5911]

Pretty sure Bran being used as a nickname for Brandon Stark seems to suggest Lan is short for Landon. Long story short, Stark is not a real title, it's someone who's been stripped of title or made stark. So Lan and Bran could have very well been brothers and probably were considering that the Bran we see today has two brothers.

[@Bluemilk92]

She was awesome, and I swear every word she said was correct. Or at the least, she was never wrong. I think she's tied with Maester Aemon as my favorite character in the ASoIaF story. If she isn't Dunks first fling (disregarding Tansy Too-Tall "Not too tall for me"), then she is someone important. She smelled dragons man! That's some baller ass shit right there.

[@alessandromariotti3199]

So, Rohanne Webber was born either in 185 or 186 AC, in 300 AC she's like 115 or 114 if still alive at the Dreadfort! If this is true, Bran nailed it when he said that she's probably the oldest person in all Westeros

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

unless you count BR as alive, that is most likely the case

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

totally! i thought the same thing when i was doing the math.

[@MrJakewray]

@@TheOrderoftheGreenhand and mellisandre

[@muthagoose4625]

This is quickly becoming my favorite game of thrones related channel.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much

[@pyramidion5911]

I wish they came back. There has been some big breakthroughs in the YT community with asoiaf

[@SteveM000100]

Nice theory! Old Nan is the only one I can remember talking about the others having ice 'spiders' as well.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you!

[@elliottwilliams9221]

The house symbolism and the matching of the details AL makes sense, I always thought of her as the symbolic black widow and Weaver of tales and stories. That's awesome if she's lady rowanne from the dunk and egg novels, meaning she was beautiful in her youth. Seems she has blood of the Giants and cotf too, excellent finds, and video!!

[@elliottwilliams9221]

Or the fact dunk may have been with her makes sense

[@jimboy3625]

I'm convinced. I had previously thought Old Nan was the girl with the scarred back, but this makes so much more sense when you lay it out. That's the other thing that is so impressive about your theories. Most channels propose theories and loosely tie in a thing or two if at all. You reference so much text to backup your thoughts and then layout a wonderful roadmap to your goal. Wonderful work! I am very excited for what you have coming with BloodRaven and also the CotF with Tony in the works. I was just watching one of Tony's last live streams and he has such strong feelings on some theories I would love to be a fly on the wall when you guys get together. I would love to see a live Q&A with you and him to accompany your CotF videos your putting together. Also I am going to petition that you guys do a round table with James of Thrones Small Council, I would imagine that to be a meeting of the great minds of the realm! Keep up the great work!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you...we try and make theories as large as the story and the world he created

[@childofpersia1213]

So old nan is cersei and jaime's great grandmother?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

yes

[@szbszig]

Wonder how she felt, when they visited Winterfell in the beginning of the first book...

[@mast3rofd3ath666]

I was just thinking this lmao does Tywin know what his grandma was up to? Omg what if Nan passed off one of Dunk's kids as a Lannister and Brienne and Jaime are related ? Because George has admitted to Dunk and Brienne being related.

[@BruhMoment-mn9kn]

@@mast3rofd3ath666 So if your idea about the Lannisters gets confirmed, Jaime will have yet ANOTHER incest relationship 😂

[@mr.youngblood8010]

Yes

[@siomhe8539]

Well done, but I'm surprised you left out Bran's vision of "A slim young woman kissing a knight as tall as Hodor" under the Winterfell weirwood...most people who propose this theory start with that. Also I think Old Nan "doing her needlework" is a lovely callback to Arya and her needlework, and the idea that Rohanne was a skilled archer and "unladylike".

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

We had it in our notes and realized we didn't use it right before I recorded the summary, which is why I alluded to it with her dying her hair in order to disappear

[@willy289]

Oh I can't wait for Bloodraven, he's one of my favourite GRRM characters. In the tales of Dunk and Egg you learn how badass he is and how important he is in ASOIAF. I am looking forward to this next video, great work on this old nan video too!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you...he has been a pet project of ours for a while now and we're finally ready to make his video...it might end up being 2...we always think we're going to get everything into one, then we get started and it ends up being 2 or 3

[@willy289]

The Order of the Green Hand Thank you for all the effort you all put into your video's! My feelings towards the multiple Bloodraven video's are the more video the better.

[@tracywhitlock5395]

The Order of the Green Hand + a series for Blood raven would be AMAZING! The more the better, you do a great job laying it all out. I look forward to it as much as Season 7 GOT!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you...we have over 12 pages of notes for this video so there is almost no way we will get it all in one video...we were just talking about it a few minutes ago and think that it will end up being 3 videos

[@Killerina]

I always thought that it was Brienne who was a descendant of Dunk, but he traveled all over the place so it's possible that both her and Hodor are related to him. I always thought that Hodor had descendants from further up north which is why Osha says something about him being related to giants. I honestly think that we have yet to see the 4th installment of Dunk and Egg because it gives away something involving where we currently are in the story. I cannot wait to hear your Bloodraven theories! He seems to glamour himself in the 3rd Dunk and Egg story which makes me think of Melisandre. He's connected to both the ice and fire sides of the story which makes me think he's very important in the long run.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

We're reasonably sure that Brienne is descendent of one of Dunk and Rohanne's daughters, who must have married her father or grandfather

[@annalicht4078]

Freckles :) And Nan as a short form of Rohanne is not too far fetched imo Thank you guys so much, I really enjoy your theories and the digging I usually do afterwards. Please keep up the good work!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

We think the same thing...that a little kid would be able to say Rohanne and just called her Nan, and that is how she became known as Nan, and eventually Old Nan

[@KingClovis]

GRRM was going to release "The She-Wolves of Winterfell" as the fourth Dunk and Egg tale (which just might confirm this theory) but he released "The princess and the Queen" instead. Not a bad story, but I really wanted more Dunk & Egg!

[@malmorbidus2788]

The Order of the Green Hand what about Gregor and Sandor? Only others who are so large and strong, not to mention their fighting prowess. Would explain the Hound's obvious importance beyond guarding the Stark girls.

[@hippiechic6772]

The Order of The Green Hand : This is my first time visiting your channel and I absolutely adore your views of Old Nan.....whom when was alive was one of my favorite characters in the whole series when it started . I loved that she told Bran about the scary things nobody else would mention to him and he wanted to know about them . She was great at telling things as they were ....with some exaggeration mixed in .

[@shawnwilt7196]

From the first time i read the ending of Dunk and Rohanne's story I believed that he got more than a braid of her hair. It seems very likely the ending that was meant to happen. Look at the circumstances: she meets him in an empty stable, she makes overtures of love unable to be fulfilled, she wants to give him a horse that is red just like her and it is obviously a beauty and a prized "sexy" beast, she does not even try to stop him from kissing her, then there is Dunk's dream of her naked, and finally when he meets Egg to leave it is clearly several hours later. That is a setup for a hook-up by any way you slice it.

[@jimboy3625]

Wow, just realized your subscribers have more than quadrupled since I subbed. Congratulations!!! Also, your comment section is always so filled with gold nuggets of information. It's like a two for one deal, the video and all the comment info you give makes for such thought provoking material I always end up reading them all!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you Jim! Honestly you helped us out a lot by sharing our stuff. You're the best. Thanks. :)

[@jimboy3625]

I am so happy to share it!

[@lonestarwolfentertainment7184]

I read a theory once that she’s the widow of Bran The Builder and that she’s keeping herself alive with Magic taught to her by The Children Of The Forest (or might even be a COTF herself), it would certainly explain how she knows so much.

[@realeyesrealisereallies8607]

This is by far the best GOT channel, I love all the thorough breakdowns.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thanks so much!

[@malmorbidus2788]

Rohanne 💕 I loved her character, and I'm in love with this theory! It's so George, so Westeros. Just showing how you shouldn't take anything at face value (;

[@TheTricycleDriveby]

The next working title in the Dunk and Egg stories is The She-wolves of Winterfell

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

are you serious???

[@TheTricycleDriveby]

Truly

[@Nga_Babaye]

Yep, for real. And WoW is supposed to be 3-4 months behind it. We've been held up by She-wolves all this time.

[@TheTricycleDriveby]

Adrian Brooks I don't think it's that simple actually. I read several months ago that GRRM actually completely stopped SWoW because he kept on missing his planned deadlines for WoW. I think he was just trying to do too much all at the same time. Like how he's cancelled almost all of his cons and public appearances this year until WoW is done. I don't think that one little D&E novella is completely to blame.

[@Nga_Babaye]

Well, not completely, but if he released one, the publisher would hold a quarter for the next. It's a marketing numbers thing. Especially if he is using different publishers for each. That is generally how it works. Not saying whoever WOW publisher is will not make exceptions since it is extremely anticipated at this point. In any case the SWoW has a projected release date this year according Emergency Awesome. I was trying to find his source though.

[@TKFKU]

I absolutely love the idea of Nan being the Red Widow. As when you check into the timelines it does fit. You guys always make the best theory and backstory vids! Do you have any intentions of going into the descendants of Ser Duncan? If so I cannot wait to see it and if not......please do!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you...when Lady Green Hand came to me with this theory about a year ago, I thought it seemed possible so I did a little digging and after about an hour, it was hard to imagine her being anyone but Rohanne...we might try to touch on Brienne (one of his decendants) but she is such a straight forward character it is difficult to come up with a theory worthy of the time it takes to make a video on her

[@TKFKU]

No thank you! It is so hard to find content like this which is actually based on ASOIAF only. Yes when his descendants or possible ones were mentioned to G.R.R.M, he all but said she was one of them. But also there were others throughout the current timeline, I believe five total? And that one would have their own chapters in AFFC which was pretty clear with it being her. It's the others that have me curious. Like I said though no matter what you guys have planned I can't wait to see more, excellent work!

[@sandmanenters4187]

Brilliant. This story and this channel just keeps pulling you deeper and deeper in.

[@emanuelharrison3285]

Love this! I hope the blood raven video is 31 hours long! Thanks

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

that was hysterical....! thank you for that.

[@vincenthc8297]

I love the idea that the two found each other that they found each other at Winterfell in the end and had children together. Probably the happiest ending in the entire ASOIAF series.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

It might even be the only somewhat happy ending in the series...a little bittersweet given that they found each other then Aegon takes the throne and makes Dunk a Kingsguard and they couldn't stay together

[@vincenthc8297]

The Order of the Green Hand true, but at least they both stayed alive and she knew he was doing his duty protecting the King which would've given her clarity.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

true

[@maggoli67]

Convincing...people seem to forget pregnancy needs to occur before wetnursing is a possibility. The timing makes some sense...Any records of Duncans side of things?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

We won't know about Dunk's side of things until he releases a few more Dunk and Egg stories, but the North is one of the places listed in the epilogue of The Mystery Knight as a place where they would have future adventures, it seems like they will end up at Winterfell eventually

[@annam5675]

I thought I heard mention somewhere along the way that Dunk visited winterfell and would be intertwined with the stories of the she wolves of winterfell. I don't know much about his plans for that story though but that was the first thing that came to mind for me. I could be wrong and don't remember where I saw it. But I love this idea by the way (Rohanne being Nan) it's pretty awesome :) and that would be an extra layer of wtf added into the rivalry between Starks and Lannisters if Tywin's grandma ran off and lived in winterfell all those years! I like it :)

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

That is hilarious...I hadn't even thought of that

[@TheresaWheeler]

maggoli67 She left shortly after the birth of Jason.

[@blackouthorus1519]

Oh jesus that is a funny thought .

[@lianafeeser7868]

Well supported. I like this a lot better than the Old Nan is Shiera Seastar theory.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you

[@guesswho1047]

Another great video! Well thought out perspective.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you

[@zra1080]

This is the first of your theories that I have watched that I actually agree with.Keep up the great work :)

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you...i think

[@dirtypure2023]

I just finished this playlist and just wanted to say... thanks for the Greensight!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

It was our pleasure. Thanks for watching

[@RicardoPraelli]

I was wondering when you were going to upload this one. Well done!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you ricardo! Q&A coming soon

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Well now you know...as per your previous request...we're getting a new camera in preparation for our first ever Live Q&A...we should be ready for it in the next week or two

[@elsiedaniels5942]

I love your vidieos.Keep tgem comming. I listened to them all more then once and told everyone I know about them.The other day I was on another channel listening to videos and read the comments where at least 3 or 4 people were telling everyone to go to your channel for good theories and vidieos. Great Job!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much...that is nice to hear

[@MichaelMedici61W2]

Thank you for doing this video! Ever since I finished this book a few weeks ago I often wondered what happened to Lady Webber. She was a very interesting character to me as is Old Nan. Thanks guys. You're the best.

[@themediocremaester7292]

My Lord, my Lady. I thank you for your insights.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you maester...why are you only a mediocre maester? did it take very long to get your chain?

[@themediocremaester7292]

The Order of the Green Hand Truth be told, the Citadel doesn't understand me. I'm mocked by my peers for wearing a tinfoil link in my chain.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

hahaha...handle you chain with great care then my friend, for tinfoil is a fickle metal to make a link with

[@anorangetabby]

Yours is the BEST GoTs channel on KZbin!!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you Snohamish

[@joanisarmento]

Yiiiiiiéééé! :D another Great new video! Love it! Thank you! And now I'm going to see it again :D

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much

[@AhhZombies702]

You guys do an awesome job! Keep it up!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much

[@michaelwatson8890]

I've just heard the next Dunc and Egg book is going to be called The She Wolves of Winterfell which ties in to your theory about Dunc and Old Nan

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

We heard the same...can't wait...the Dunk and Egg stories are fantastic

[@TheSamuraijim87]

Well presented, and as always, i love your videos, but next to impossible unfortunately. Firstly, Rohanne was about 45 years old when she vanished in or after 230, so she would be most likely be unable to have children with Ser Duncan and, she would be unlikely to be a wetnurse, let alone find employment with a Great House as one. It is possible, but exceedingly unlikely. She and Dunk didn't have children when they met, so there would have been little chance of it later on. For a bit of context, House Tyrell (Specifically Olenna) the Gardner Heirs, (which incidentally, makes them kin to the Starks), reject Cersei out of hand when, after Blackwater, they are offered the opportunity to wed her to their Heir, Willas, and she is in her early 30's. Olenna is convinced that Cersei's change will be happening soon. Certainly, this is possible to be old wives' hogwash, but late pregnancies are not considered common. Even more problematic is the fact that there was nearly no opportunity for Dunk to journey to Winterfell from King's Landing, though he did, it seems, visit once with Aegon, and then once there, raise a family with his true love, since he was a kingsguard, and constantly at court. He died at Summerhall in 259. Even more problematic, is that the Brandon who was Willem Stark's son, was born in or before 226, when Willem died at Long Lake, fighting Raymun Redbeard. This would make said Brandon at least 4 years old, or older, by the time Rohanne Webber arrived at Winterfell. Moreover, in 230, said child must have been at least 4, so House Stark would never have hired her as a wetnurse for him. Further, since this Brandon died of a chill at 3, Rohanne would never have met him, since she disapeared in 230, and this child must have died by 229 at the latest. Unfortunately, as much as I loved your other videos, such as the N + A = J videos, which is very well researched, the facts here just don't match up.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we don't put a lot of stock in the dates in that era...the first Dunk and Egg story has an intro that states the story began 100 years before AGOT began (298 -100 = 198 AC), which would be 2 years before Egg was even born and he's somehow already 8-9 years old

[@melkor8712]

Old Nan reminds me of Gandalf. This elderly person sent by higher beings to guide men. I don't think she was sent by anyone but I do believe she may be far older than anyone knows. Perhaps a witch.

[@ShadeoftheEvening]

Was wonderful as ALWAYS. Thanks so much!!!💗🐺🐉🔥❄

[@scottspa74]

I only started to wonder about Nan when Arya is in Braavos and recites something Nan told her about hardhome, but it's in present time, yet Nan would have told it to her years ago

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Nan told Arya it is an accursed place at some point...Old Nan is interesting because she always seems to be right

[@LaurensCorner]

excellent video!! Thanx again. :)

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you

[@filbertrocko]

you both are great. boy u really make it so real. and dam re-reading does make all the difference ! so much in first book that we miss on 1st reading. YOUR GREAT TY. I hate ur live chats I get lost in shuffle...I was your 1st subscriber! I just re read ADOD the tattered prince has a black candle !!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much

[@joefigueroa8809]

very interesting video thank you

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you

[@LizzleLeB]

So she would be the same generation and possibly well known to Egg and Maester Aemon? I like the idea that Bran gets old Nan's tales and John get's Aemon's wisdom

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

it does have a certain poetic balance to it....Jon had a few Old Nan tales too...two good people to learn a thing or two from

[@TheMurphsa1]

I am not so smart but do love the ASOIAF, and Knight of Seven Kingdoms Trilogy.... Like many ol' Nan is a favorite that tells us the real basis of our fantasy, while probably giving more intrigue than answers, she captivates the imagination.... Another GRRM brilliant literary creation.... I enjoyed your theory of ol' Nan. Your guys are awesome combo, and renewed my Utube ASOIAF enjoyment.... Keep it up, as I find your take and investigations refreshing.... I guess I'm going on 3 or 4 years watching different quality and UTubes on both show and books... Thank YOU, both!!!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much

[@jessejohnson8365]

I love this idea I would have never made this connection or thought this as a likely scenario, I feel like this holds the most water of theorys I've heard. although my hope which I don't think it's likely is that she is Shira Sea Star I like the theory of that possibility as well but very well done guys I think you guys have the most compelling theories and do some of the best videos regarding Game of Thrones topics keep up the good work can't wait for your what you guys have to say and think about Blood Raven, I would be very interested to see you guys make a Tragedy at Summer Hall video

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank ou so much...we're working towards a Summer Hall theory but there is so little to go on that we need more time to work it out

[@jessejohnson8365]

True i think it's likely because of the significance to the story and the shrouded mystery behind it all the George doesn't wanna give much away until the full picture nearly clear for most readers I feel like The Queen of Thorns has alot to do with it personally this event being where and when her title of Queen of Thorns was placed on her for her being upset of not actually marrying into the Targaryen family and the slight I think her acting like she choice against wedding a Targaryen is her trying keep her pride plus all of the kings children's broke there betrothal and married for love so it seems as if regardless of what she says history speaks for itself and she wasn't able to even had she thought marrying a Targaryen wasn't a ridicules notion with their silver hair her nickname to me would make alot of sense had she a major roll in the Summer Hall incident obviously she wouldn't have had the only hand in that I believe her a key member of that conspiracy but yes there really isn't much to go off of I'm just glad I've only been into the Books and Show after season two started instead of upon first book release that's a long time waiting for more material sorry about the rambling

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

It definitely seems that knowledge of what happened there grants the too much insight into how something very important about the story works...at this point, I haven't figured enough of it out yet to speak intelligently about it...I have a few gut feelings but haven't been able to back any of it with text evidence

[@jessejohnson8365]

that's what I love about the books especially since George creates several different paths he can go and he himself in somethings I'm sure doesn't quite know what something will end up being while others he's got to have a big picture idea but it's fun to try and puzzle them out and see if your right then you'll find some small piece that makes you realize how off you were and how clear the path is heading now that one more detail is reveled I've read the books out so far three times as well as sample chapters currently on my fourth time around first time I wasn't paying to much attention to details and didn't really know how Martin's writing style was then I saw a video on KZbin not even searching topic Game of Thrones saw a video by Preston Jacob's and I was like wtf there is way more going on then what I read so I did some research on George R R Martin checked out some theory videos to get an idea of things others thought because of the text and went through again paying close attention to details and i was shocked at how much i missed the first time through then after round two i started checking out more fan theory to see if others thought the same as myself if not if there reasonings and explinations helped me see things a different way or if it took or added to my thoughts then again Preston Jacobs comparason of Georges thousand world series and comparisons of his other works and similarities and the idea that its more of a sci fi work then fantasy and how most things viewed as aka magic could be explained by genetics or tech so i thought that makes sense looks like im going to have to clear my head and not let my own pre loaded thoughts or ideas of fantasy effect my view and to picture this as another planatary body where its reality could differ from are own slightly but was real world fudelistic realm and that history is written by the victor not everyone is honest and peoples beliefs are not always based on facts and actions speak as loud as words and can be more telling so i decided on making notes on the characters that moved pieces and the ones being moved looking at cause and effects that are clear but not actually written into the book and paying attention to what wasn't written as much as to what was and all the while having to remember that even though something is written doesn't make it true like the details in a normal book generaly are layed out and that in ASOIAF somethings written might be stretched out while others could be total wrong and based off the pov or subject matter in some cases the characters thoughts or actions on what they thought saw or so on would be complete different opion or train of thought if they'd had known one small detail picked up along by that which they are talking about for instance Viserys and Danny are countlesly stating how so many times they'd barely escaped the usurper hired knives which we know Robert never sent anyone or even really thought much of them after Stanis was unsuccessful in catching them on Dragon Stone until Varys brings word of Danny wedding the Khal which then gets you thinking who's either telling them there being hunted or someone showed up searching for them or is someone actually sending people to simply act like there going to kill them while making sure they get away safely and unhurt but was made to look like the person would've killed them had they not given them the slip scarring the children and so on and my mind was blown The third time through on just how brilliant Martin's work truly is sorry just got new ADHD meds and they have me super chatty and I never punctuat when using my phones keypad which makes things hard to read and follow so after all that I guess I'm simply just trying to say I totally know what you mean on not really finding alot of connections or content creating large revel that can really make a pivetly ground breaking look at summer hall it's complete roll in the story and why it's such a paramount impact on everything aside from it nearly whipping out the Targaryen line with so many members dying in one event the impact it would have on Aerys 2 much and more Harrenhal is a crazy mess links mystery and general speculation and symbolize with Sansa her matriarchal line to even joffery's sword widows wail being named for two of its tower the widows tower and wailing tower I feel like a Harrenhall one would be my second hope to see from you guys But once again sorry about my scatter witted ramblings I'll try not be so annoying with any future post and once again can't wait to see the way you present your Blood Raven video and you guys do a very remarkable job with displaying your evidence and reasons compared to many people out there that post like 6 videos a month that by the time the video is over they hadn't really explained the focus topic of their videos and it turns out to be more of a questioner for the viewers thoughts on the subject matter with no important links or underlying text that add to thoughts or discussions for their topic just run of the mill black and white dialogue from the books that give clear information that anyone who's read the books picked up the info and no thought or attention to detail was required on the you tubers behalf to make the video and you take nothing new out of it aside from having wasted 15 minutes because their video titles mislead you into at least feeling like there could be something of interest to think about afterward whether it's a shared opinion or not I like getting a look into how some of these fans came to there ideas any way I'm posting now to stop myself righting anymore

[@ashleyofnaath]

I always thought Hodor was either Dunc's son, or descendant. I hadn't considered Old Nan as Rohanne though. Love the idea!!!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Did you go and change your name on me?

[@ashleyofnaath]

Yes. I just need to change the photo haha.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I admit that I miss your old name already, but I will soon recover from the loss

[@ashleyofnaath]

I'll probably change it again haha. I'm thinking of starting my own channel with videos, and so I'm sampling different names I came up with just to see if I like how it looks.

[@ashleyofnaath]

Ashley is my government name😁 Quick question for you. Did I already ask you guys who you thought the man was in the glass gardens of Winterfell that gave Bran blackberries? I came across it and I'm intrigued.

[@deanshield886]

I know a boy who hated stories: LOL!

[@ShadeoftheEvening]

Cool!! Old Nan!! Looking forward to this🐺😍

[@KingKongTube83]

The three heads of the Dragon: darkens, young Griff, bran and dar been the 3 heads of the dragon and light bringer guy is jon snow and val is something important too...i can see jon + dar and Griff + val getting married and restoring very strong bloodlines and order back to the realm...

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

that is entirely possible

[@thebovineavenger]

Yeah I have been waiting for this. So excited. had to say thanks b4 i watch the video. Now time for the fun. :) thanks guys.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I was wondering when I would hear from you...I knew you were waiting for this one

[@thebovineavenger]

I thought the exact same thing about Nan. So glad I am not the only one. Some of the ideas I have heard about who she is are just. Drawing a name from a hat. I knew Martin told us EXACTLY who nan was in the Dun and Egg stories. He says it right out if you can read, Thanks for knowing how to read. Great vid. Now time for the BloodRaven side. You guys make me giggle everytime you turn up on my feed. You guys should go into Private detective work. Makes some good money.

[@thebovineavenger]

Love how you picked up on the WEB and Knitting. CLick CLick CLick. Just a Webber. GRRM, every word and identity are expressed in the personality of the person. He dose an amazing job at Knitting the truth in front of your eyes if you know how to read.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I've always counted myself among the literate, although there have been many in this comment section who have tried to tell me otherwise...I'm glad you liked it...I told her last week that you have asked for this video more than once and it is a theory we already had researched since before we even started making videos and it was time to release it

[@kelvinde-heer3836]

if old nan was married to Dunk and Hodor is her son then could it be possible that Hodor is a targeryn.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

why would that make him a targaryen?

[@aegonii8471]

The Order of the Green Hand Everyone's secretly a targaeryans. Don't question it

[@MS-Melas]

Everyone is an Targaryen

[@panchgavyatherapist]

Awsum nice video...waiting for ur next ..hope to see it soon

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you...we're working on it as we speak

[@harycook6150]

Seeing as my wife is a wee redhead with the devil in her eyes I loved the theory!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

haahaha

[@dragonking322]

somehow i doubt Tywin and Hodor are related so closely.. I mean ok so physical descriptions kinda match and the knitting could in fact be a very important clue as to Nan's origin.. but i think it's almost half again as likely that Old Nan is just that.. herself.. I mean i won't put it past George to make it so in writing.. But i think it makes the world of a song of ice and fire a little too small world-ish.. it's like if you saw Darth vader show up in every starwars side story ever.... (ok bad example as they're actually pretty much doing that but still it's a good point) Personally and until we get anything more concrete on the issue I'm just going to assume that she was a Hill Clansman who traveled south of the wall in some kind of symbolic gesture to reaffirm the loyalty of the hill clans to house stark. It would definitely explain why she seems so knowledgeable about the long night (as the stories of those north of the wall where probably preserved far better then everyone else) and you can even explain her knowledge of things farther south as just being a sign that she was well traveled while being in service to the starks. This approach to old nan would sit with me far better then any version that implies that the lady of one of the most important houses in westeros and simply moved to another of the most important houses and remained there for SEVERAL DECADES without being found out... i mean yeah after the first 20 years it gets easier and you can even let people who knew you only as a child see you without being identified but still point remains. Also with the approach that Old Nan is simply old nan you don't have to say that Dunk didn't father her children either. It could just be explained as him being attracted to short women.

[@robhoteling5552]

Ok, I know this is very late, but I found out in the last video. You are BEAUTIFUL!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you !! 😊 I can't remember which one that is but I appreciate it ! 😊

[@stephengrosh5805]

great video, can't wait for the blood Raven video

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you! :)

[@mr.youngblood8010]

Not a bad theory, but I think Nan is already at Winterfell before Dunk and Egg go up there. The next Dunk and Egg book is The She-Wolves of Winterfell, if it's not next, it'll be the one after, so I guess we'll find out

[@AKWatchX]

Intersting theory. Thanks for the vid.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you

[@nobleglassgallery]

"All that was left of her blood was hodor"...rohanne is the grand mother to tywin, kevin, and joanna. If old nan's last of her blood is hodor, then she can't be rohanne. Very interesting theory, I think she could still have mothered a baby with dunk. I was hoping hodor was related to brienne but that also can't be. I must admit tho that the quote could be wrong, this is from Bran's perspective and old nan could have lied to the starks when she arrived in winterfell.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we view it as what Bran thinks...he has no way of knowing if she had a family before she showed up to be the wet nurse 70 years ago and she probably never advertised that she was the lady of casterly rock that ran away...I wouldn't call it directly lying, more of lie of omission

[@codyjames715]

The next Dunk and Egg book will be titled "SheWolves of Winterfell" isn't it...? I bet that is where she will be introduced(or reintroduced)...

[@benagaran20]

Old Nan was once wetnursing Bran the Builder the founder of House Stark and builder of Winterfell.

[@danmadigan8712]

Good stuff !

[@eileenkong3078]

nice video❤ your explanations are so much clearer than 99% of asoiaf/ got videos out there also why are there so many red heads in the world of Westeros ?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much...GRRM is rumored to have a thing for redheads

[@brianmorris4446]

lew eileen I think I read somewhere that GRRM has a thing for red heads in the real world.

[@annam5675]

That's because gingers are awesome fiery creatures and the small female type are the best of all but I am extremely biased being one myself lmao!! I have to say totally unrelated to this particular video but when I saw Melissandre took part of Stannis life force to create her creepy little shadow baby I was like dammit woman way to give the rumor of soul stealing gingers life!! Wait a minute...WTF GRRM?!! So maybe he has a love hate relationship with those who are kissed by fire haha!

[@eileenkong3078]

i thought asoiaf is suppose to be accurate. that's WAY too many red heads to be any where near what happened in real life! and there's people say that they will be extinct in 2060 or something. any way, the amount of red heads in the series is just too unreal

[@frnkr-ze2db]

lew eileen it's based of medival England and especially in the North near the Celtic/first men where a lot of gingers

[@Holypikemanz]

You guys went a little crazy with the hidden super hero stuff.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we just think that a few people from the past who are all involved in the same conspiracy faked their deaths...Old Nan is a separate issue, but she really intrigued us from the start because she is right every time, whereas everyone else is wrong 3/4 of the time, and when we looked a little deeper, with Bran's vision of a tiny girl kissing a knight the size of Hodor, and we know that Dunk and Egg are heading to Winterfell at least once in their future and Hodor obviously didn't get his size from Old Nan, nor to we see anyone else running around the North that's over 7 feet tall, plus all the things we talked about in this video, we stopped being able to see how it could be anyone other than Rohanne...tiny, right age, loved Dunk, disappeared right after having a child (making her a perfect wetnurse), and is smart as heck...Tansy to Tall doesn't work because she's like 6+ feet tall

[@Planet_Neptune]

One of the planned Dunk and Egg tales has a working title of 'The she-wolves of Winterfell' so Dunk surely makes it to the north eventually.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

We're really looking forward to that...Old Nan is a theory we have had for well over a year and we're thinking the answer could very well be in the She-Wolves of Winterfell...plus all the Dunk and Egg Stories are great...every bit as good as the books in my opinion

[@UnwrittenNoise]

This is one I want to believe.

[@theophrastusbombastus1359]

I love it!!!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thanks Dale!

[@williamhermann6635]

Old Nan was a child of the forest glamoured as a human. Probably Nettles. Look at that horizontal braid on the front of her hairline. COTF have that same braid.

[@KuroAkatsuki]

mind:blown brilliant tho

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you!!! :)

[@ivanbluecool]

Just found your channel. I hope jon becomes the sword of the morning or just ned's son

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much...so do we

[@justadult3493]

Jamie really doesnt like sleeping outside of his family

[@SeptaShaenasSapphires]

Wow! Nice one. Didn't Dunk take her whole braid? Thanks for all your vids.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much...He called it a lock of hair when Egg asked him where his new horse was...she had plenty of braid to spare...it went down to the middle of her thighs...taking the whole thing seems a bit excessive

[@hustlerxhustler6781]

Could it be possible that the old woman which the brotherhood without banner meet in the forest is the mistress of bloodraven and that they are connechted to each other through the trees

[@thomtisher]

Great job digging up all this history, and good accurate history on Rohanne. Intriguing theory you conjecture. The part that needs strengthening is the rough timeframe leap from her Casterly Rock disappearance to WinterFell. I'm looking for possible connections in her WinterFell stories and personal description. I can't recall anything in her descriptions besides what you mention regarding her stature. Nan makes mention of her sons (could be Lannisters) and daughters which she did not have with Gerold. We don't have any history of her four Lannister sons to know if they died in war. No mention of daughters while Rohanne was with any of her husbands. I know you'd suggest they were Dunks, but we don't know that Dunk made it to WinterFell. They started up there from The Reach at the end of 'The Sworn Sword', but in 'The Mystery Knight' they were at Whitewalls for the thwart of second Blackfyre rebellion. They are headed in the right direction, and they have about 5 years to get up there as R spends at least a years with Eustice and at least four more with Gerold before she disappears. Maybe we'll find out for sure if GRRM gets around to writing more Dunk and Egg books. I like what you're suggesting, and it would be fun if it were true.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Her sons were Tywin Lannister's father and his brothers...the sons that died in Robert's rebellion weren't Lannisters, and her grandson that died storming the walls at Pyke wouldn't be either because Bran knows about him...the prologue-like ending to the Trilogy lists several places that Dunk and Egg will have adventures, and the North is one of them, but it is not clear what order they end up going to those places...they never seem to end up where they plan to go on the first shot...not without getting detoured and end up having an adventure in a completely random place or two first

[@thomtisher]

I hope you don't mind the discussion as I would like to fill in the Casterly Rock -> WinterFell gap to give the theory more solid ground. Good points, but sadly, I think these facts may weaken the theory a bit. Nan refers to daughters (at least two), sons (at least two ) and Walder that makes five plus Gerold's four for a total of at least nine. It's not impossible, but it would hard work for a small, young woman who bore a weak first son who passed in three days. Maybe that's why Bran notes all her hair is gone. In her stories regarding her children, Nan never mentions the Lannister sons. If she is Rohanne, is she hiding her history by not mentioning the Lannister four or has she rejected those four as her own due to horrible experience with Gerold? You'd think she would be proud of all the children she carried, and want to include them in her stories in some way. As for Dunk and Egg, they are trending North. Dunk admits to Septon Sefton that he was in Dorne, he's now in The Reach, and in the next book, he's in the Riverlands. D&E are trending in a Northerly direction where they may end up in WinterFell on day which is in the far North. If I remember correctly, Dunk does make it to The Wall when they drop off BloodRaven who took The Black after which he became the Three Eyed Raven. Thanks for your video and the discussion.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

+Thom Tisher Why would a woman that ran away from Casterly Rock tell children, who would be the least likely group of people to keep it a secret? She tells the children stories about the family she had at Winterfell which is common knowledge. Walter/Hodor is her great-grandson. My great grandmother was 5 feet tall and 100 lbs and she had 14 kids that grew to adulthood. We don't know where they go after Whitewalls. They talked about going to the wall but we have no idea if they did. The epilogue-ish bit at the end mentions the free cities, the wall and a few other places where Dunk and Egg have adventures but doesn't specify the order in which they go to them

[@josephradley3160]

This would make Old Nan older than Aemon. I thought Dunk was at Tarth at the time he was called to the Kingsguard. And you seem to ignore the fact that Daeron the Drunkard died/disappeared at around the same time that lady Rohanne slipped out of the rock unseen.

[@EasilyAmused42]

Could also be said she is weaving a web with her stories, too!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

yes she most certainly does

[@KingKongTube83]

So I just passed the part where jon covington goes to the golden company states this aegon is son of rhgeard & elia...i know there prolly more questions that will arise in the next few hours from listening...but just too much going on, haha...i still think his the son of r + l = a but who knows! Not evening GEORGE.

[@fitbullaussie9002]

Old Nan is GRRM weaving his story, and click click clicking like he's tap tap tapping his keyboard

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I think Varys is George...he knows everything

[@TheresaWheeler]

Brandon Stark wasn't born the year she disappeared. Nevertheless, she left when her son was a baby so she would have still been lactating.

[@josephlongbone4255]

Personally I prefer the idea that she is just an ordinary old person who is just intelligent and remembers every story her grandma told her. Ordinary people are capable of great things, and don't have to be the descendant of fairies or dragons to be special.

[@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195]

All first men are descendants of demigods tho? and since highborn kept it more “in the family” it makes sense they’d have magical abilities appear in their kids more often

[@Mellowcanuck33]

Old Nan is a god damn Bene Gesserit....laying down the legends....

[@royalgreen8476]

I would love to see some more dunk and egg content

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

rumor has it there will be another one coming out soon after TWOW comes out

[@katlegomatshelane5840]

You guys never fail to blow my mindddd! FYI, yall just convinced me that Jon is Ned's true born son just TODAY!! NOW THISSSS😭😅😅

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

yay !!! welcome !!!

[@brianmorris4446]

great video, do you think Old Nan has anything else to do in the story? I think she was taken to the Dreadfort.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

That's exactly where she is...it is difficult to say what her role will be moving forward

[@elsiedaniels5942]

The Order of the Green Hand ,how do you know she was taken to the dread fort?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

GRRM said so and it says it in the app...she and the rest of the women and children were taken to the Dreadfort when the Boltons first took Winterfell

[@lisameshell-flieger2457]

Old Nan came to Winterfell to be a wet nurse for Brandon Stark son of William Stark and Lyanne Glover (who dies in child birth). The child died of a summer chill. The theory that she left a Gerold Lannister to travel to Wnterfell to hide out, hoping that her lost love would eventually show up does not make much sense. Since it is said that she had at least 5 kids? Who was there father. What happened to him? Big holes in this theory.

[@Wardner213]

I think Old Nan is the wife of the blue eyed giant Macumba. Maybe they'll turn out to be Hodor's ancestors XD

[@justokayemilay6029]

Given how small and clever and dangerous as Nan was described, could she be related to the Children of the Forest?

[@tommyfrederickfoster5402]

The She-Wolves of Winterfell is the next scheduled Dunk & Egg novella.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

And we are very much looking forward to it

[@michaelmarsters1900]

excellent video guys. Nice to see you are a normal and if i may say pretty Lady. There are a lot o weirdos out there at the moment. Thanks, keep it up.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you...I'm definitely a lucky man to have a girl like her that not only humors me in doing this, but is equally determined to figure it out...plus, she's the best researcher I've ever seen...I'll ask her to look something up and ten minutes later she has a doc set up with 10x more information than I even thought possible to find

[@michaelmarsters1900]

The Order of the Green Hand That's awesome. Couldn't be better for you. I'm Disabled and housebound but my mind is still active and I enjoy videos like yours. Thanks.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you...glad we can help you get you through a rough spell

[@bradwolf07]

I always thought there was more to Old Nan from the start...as I got further into the books, I thought she was Bloodraven's sister/lover. I have since thought differently. Now all I'm sure of is that Old Nan slept with Sir Duncan the Tall. Edit: Ooh, I hadn't considered Lady Rowan. Interesting

[@deanshield886]

Well Dunk wasn't the marrying type well that settles it...true playa for real I guess he couldn't escape that (k)night life huh?

[@tracywhitlock5395]

Hey guys, I've watched all your videos, two or three times lol. if you're going to answer this in a future video then I'll wait for it, but if the children are the real enemy, isn't Bran in danger too? I'd love your take on that?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

yes

[@vayxanh]

thanks for ur amazing work! Could u find out how is Old Nan able to live that long? Its no way by chance i guess, and she should play a role in the war to come doesnt she?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

think so! she is like 105-110 years old (depending on which time reference you use, there a couple that are contradicting), but yes GRRM confirmed that she is still alive but a captive at the Dreadfort. I feel like we will see her again, even if its for some small purpose...but yes I think she will too :)

[@ReeceDee]

I'm sitting here Jonesing for my next asoiaf fix. ha ha. (scratches neck) 😊

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Well I'm glad we could help you out...don't scratch too hard...and if that's not a possibility there is always the option to watch our previous videos again to help keep you under control until our BR vid comes out

[@neferanubis4749]

i loved this can you possibly do a piece on maester aemon he fascinates me. i have read all the George RR martin books. i was seeing some familiarities to wars and historical English and French nobles. i researched my suspicions and found out that indeed George RR Martin used history for his inspiration. war of the roses for example

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

We found the same...we try to keep in mind that he always changes things about what he drew his inspiration from so to not make it an obvious direct connection and therefore highly predictable...like the First Men coming to Westeros seems to parallel Europeans coming to America, but the twist we believe is there is that the Children got what they deserved, where as the Native American's plight is more tragic...there are tons of examples but I'm too tired to think of them at the moment, but the war of the roses definitely seems to be something he took a look at when designing the Dance of Dragons civil war

[@neferanubis4749]

The Order of the Green Hand. also he drew inspiration from the leaders and other notable people. one such person elizabeth tudor who is quite fascinating. as well as her mother and father. and some scottish figures as well. some of the book reminds me of old celtic myths as well.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

we have found that a lot of the darker sides of the story seem to be inspired by celtic mythology...more specifically The Morrigan

[@neferanubis4749]

The Order of the Green Hand oh yes the world is so much older than we are told. somehow George RR Martin has captured the magic of history that defies time all together. I love Toilken but George RR martin has conceived an even greater time. i love history i loves seeing how real people have the events they live through and the people they interact with Martin has captured that!

[@neferanubis4749]

The Order of the Green Hand. the many faced god frightens and fascinates me. The idea of becoming no one is amazing and aryia is my main favorite character. the hound is awesome to. tyrion brieanne basically i have a huge list. i love the way these characters are complicated.

[@QueenDaenerysTargaryen]

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