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Part 3 in our mysteries, myths and motives theory series on Petyr Baelish, better known as Littlefinger.
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[@wulfgarpl]

Littlefinger's magical abilities would be major disappointment. It would cheapen his character. Doing all the things he did just by power of his intellect is why I like him in the first place.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I see it as a combination of his intellect and his ability to enter people's minds to see what they want most so he can use it to manipulate them...he is the ultimate arbiter of temptation...

[@SaneMillennial]

I agree w/you there, Wulfgar, but it could make more sense as to how he hasn't gotten caught yet. It is possible and it seems to be something most of us don't even consider, as we feel we were shown all of the wargs and skin changers of the story already. But we never get a Petyr POV chapter, and this could be a reason why out of many.

[@SaneMillennial]

So far, I've thought of Petyr as a small-minded player in a sense, not understanding the really big game of the WW threat, but if it turns out he has been serving the Great Other all this time, then it could make sense so it wouldn't make his plot meaningless to the whole overall story by the end like I was thinking it would be.

[@TurinInquisitor]

Bureucracy is one hell of a confusing shit, almost nobody can truly navigate in it. I like grrm's realism about it. And only Ned was close to looking seriously into the web of debts and loans. He didn't get far.

[@stevesallay2524]

Wulfgar, You are totally on the money about the disappointment if there was a 'magical' aspect to Littlefinger. His own intelligence and charisma are his biggest assets, and greatest weapons. By far one of my Favorite Characters.

[@travdye347]

Varymir Six-skins who was considered the greatest warg in the world (mainly because people don't know about Bran) couldn't warg another human, let alone without them noticing. Zero chance of Petyr secretly being by far the most powerful warg without anyone knowing.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Not sure 100% about the mind control thing, but I do think its plausible that one of the modes LF uses to influence people is by infiltrating their dreams. Bran could NOT enter other humans or other's dreams until he was in the tomb for a long period, which resulted in his third eye being opened, same way the Faceless Men made Arya blind, which resulted in her opening her third eye (she was blind up until she called the kindly man out for being the one who was hitting her with the stick, which she doesn't tell him, but means that he knew she had used the eyes of another living thing to see him doing that to her). opening your third eye and being a warg are not synonymous, otherwise every character we know who is a warg would need to undergo some sort of "third eye opening" in order to awaken their power, which is not the case.

[@travdye347]

My main problem with LF being able to dive into people's dreams is that this seems to be the only instance he has used it. The opening of the third eye seems to have alot to do with said person losing bodily functionality (Bran = Coma/Paraplegic, Arya = Blind) whereas Petyr did have a serious injury but, correct me if im wrong, Petyr was never in a coma or lose any real functionality just suffered a serious torso wound. I find it likely that Petyr has made sure to have minions in Winterfell considering is obsession with then Cat and now Sansa. If Petyr is indeed the culprit, he need only reach out to one of his cronies. One question I don't think you answered in your video is WHY would Petyr want Bran killed? The only people really with motive are Jamie and Cersei and it seems in the book that, since we get their POVs, they didn't do it. I would like to reread the books keeping in mind that Cersei actually makes the most sense to be the person who wants Bran dead and see if anything pulls together.

[@Glockler]

Let's assume that LF cannot enter people's dreams, we know the Great Other can, so if LF is in league with the Great Other why can't he telephone the GO who would then enter Joeffrey's mind and give him the green light?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

that is where we were originally going with it until we realized that once bran opened his third eye he could enter people's dreams, and so can Jojen...either is a possibility but LF actually being capable of this demonic power makes more sense (to me anyways), since his entire character is essentially based on demonic lore

[@Glockler]

Do we know that the GO opened his 3rd eye? It's possible that he just cut a deal with Baelish. Is the 3rd eye bit reserved for those with magic blood like the Starks?

[@savny5]

The name Littlefinger is also indicative of his power. He can wrap anyone around his little finger. Well done!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much...we tried coming up with with a pun for his name and can't believe we didn't think of that...that's so good...would you mind if we used that?

[@TheVeganFinalBoss]

theft!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I told him that you said that the other night ! Haha

[@TheVeganFinalBoss]

hahaha I thought I was so original, turns out many a men have had this thought. great minds xD

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Clearly not. Ser GH and I haven't! Thanks to you both! Ha

[@DaytakTV]

GRRM is a Genius. His imagination and creativity are breathtaking.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Yes he is

[@EL-ISS]

His method is pretty simple but the fact he worked it so well is commendable. Most of his stories are historical with a dash of fantasy. The insane part is how he studies this history then adds his fantasy element. No wonder it takes so long for him to write

[@craig8612]

Speaking of GRRM choosing names, the word 'catelyn' in Sanskrit translates to 'a sharp and prolonged inhalation.' 😁

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I wish we looked that up before we did the final Cat video

[@craig8612]

Might be hard to confirm since I made it up

[@braakwame_]

@@craig8612 😂😂 madlad

[@gigicestone4902]

@@craig8612 pro gamer move.

[@psevdhome]

Your analysis of Baelish's name made me think of a few associations although these were unlikely to be on George's mind. The first part I thought is Petyr's first name that reminds me of a Satyr, a man-goat hybrid from Greek mythology that is a trickster in many ways. The other is his given name Littlefinger. Now this obviously refers to the pinky finger, which is used today for making "pinky swears". Now it is some kind of hint at Petyr's nature when he is treacherous but his name is associated with oaths. The additional information here however is that the implication of a pinky swear used to be that if you betrayed that oath your pinky would be cut off. This might be implying that when Littlefinger betrays you, cut him off i. e. make him dead. The third and the absolute least likely option is an association that came to me, when you guys linked Littlefinger with demons and the Devil. Making a deal with him is like making one with the Devil. In Finnish we have an expression that says "if you make a deal with the Devil and give him your pinky i.e. littlefinger, he'll take your whole hand/arm." Now no way would George know of this expression but the idea is the same: making a deal with Lord Baelish is a deal with the Devil and the Devil is a deceiver so be careful Excellent video, I get excited every time a new one comes out!

[@ramonalejandrosuare]

I think Loki, another antagonistic trickster figure, is also associated with the Littlefinger (pinky).

[@ScottMcCadden]

This brings a lot of new information to the fandom. There are theories that Littlefinger is Robin Arryn's biological father, and "Peter" could also mean "Father" (in particular, check out the wikipedia page for "Sky Father" and how it was translated from Zeus Pater, Jupiter, etc). And there are theories that Robin has telepathic abilities of his own and that someone is whispering to him (e.g., he still hears singing even after Marillion is killed). If all those theories are true and we tie them together: Peter Baelish being a demonic stone titan father of a telepathic Robin Arryn and whispering to him...and the parallels you pointed out to Bloodraven, it looks like LIttlefinger could be (or become) very powerful! But what would he do with all that power?

[@theM4R4T]

What if the Catspaw was Reek? The original reek? What I thought is so interesting on the reread how much emphasis there is on the assassin's stench. Maybe the Boltons saw a possibility there too if a war broke out.

[@higgy3454]

Another Littlefinger connection, if he was wounded as gravely as rumor says in the duel with Brandon Stark, the tending maester would have been Luwin right? So the letter from Lysa in the lens box becomes even more suspect, right?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

yes

[@kimhunghoang711]

Andrew Burns it was in riverrun. Different maester

[@AleksandarRuzicic]

Luwin was maester at Riverrun. He came with Cat to Winterfell (Cat said that Luwin delivered all of her 5 children and Robb was born at Riverrun)

[@ngmcgar79]

I had a thought a few years ago that Littlefinger had Lothar Brune in the King's Party at Winterfell to ensure Lysa's letter reached Caitlyn. God knows what he was doing before he was first mentioned.

[@richardfitzpatrick9732]

I like that theory that Luthor was there and the cats paw seen Jamie pushing Bran out the window but he just don't think Luthor would of agreed maybe he did that's why hes do protective of Sansa guilt that he gave the command to kill bran

[@theophrastusbombastus1359]

Excellent stuff, more food for tought as always. So, by that rationale, would it be safe to infer that Littlefinger is a powerful worg? I mean, he'd obviously be powerful if he could do the things described in this video. What i mean is: do you suppose he uses animals to spy for him? Could this be how he learns his secrets, just as many and more than Varys sometimes? Could this be the real reason he changed his sigil to that of a mockingbird? Using his birds to spy?

[@PBRStreetgang]

LittleFinger is one of the most skillfully crafted characters of the entire series. Awesome video; I always find something I didn't catch that you guys point out. I'm left thinking "Damn...why didn't I see THAT?!?" Thanks for making Monday a little more tolerable. Edit: It's very obvious, but compare what Baelish is doing with Sansa and it fits in nicely with the story of Bael the Bard, kidnapping the Lady of Winterfell, etc...

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much...Bael the Bard parallel is going to be in part 4

[@PBRStreetgang]

I'll just keep my mouth closed and wait until then :) Sorry if I steal your thunder! :\

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Don't worry about it...we wanted to put it in here originally because we thought people would make the connection as soon as we bring up Bael=Demon, especially if they watched our Rhaegar and Lyanna video

[@rhaenyralikesyoutube6289]

Wow! I love the explanation for Littlefinger's name. It makes perfect sense, and it's a wonderful new layer to an already complex, well written character.

[@simontodorov8126]

I have been following the GOT TV series for years and never got into the real lore of the books. You guys really bring clarity. My perception has been changed with every video that I watch. Congrats on the Catelyn storyline, it was so eye-opening and now with the focus on LF I can clearly understand how he worked to bring his favorite chaos whenever possible. Thank you and keep up the good work!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much

[@BiteThis]

An idea to add to your theory, Littlefinger chose a mockingbird as his sigil. If you wikipedia "mockingbird" its a bird best known for the habit of some species mimicking the songs of other birds. Possibly mimicking the song of the three eyed crow? Seems like a clever little hint that fits littlefingers idea of amusement.

[@stephsteph3348]

Sooo, everything IS truly Catelyn's fault. If he wasn't infatuated with her, he would have never faught Brandon, never been close to death, etc...its all seven degrees of separation to Cat's shittiness, lol.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Not to mention that Brandon was going to kill him, and she stopped him

[@cammyo5931]

Lady Marmalade ◀ Love it! Guichie giuchie ya ya dada (hey hey hey) Guichie giuchie ya ya here Mocha chocolate ya ya (oh yea).... Damn! I can't get that song outta my head naw! ✌ .....& oh yeah I agree with your post, Cat sucks (sucked)😯

[@cammyo5931]

The Order of the Green Hand Wait, Brandon was gonna kill who? LF? DAMNIT I gotta read them books!

[@kain1799]

Lady Marmalade well the Tully's are the villainous family.

[@hozman5700]

@@kain1799 Edmure is a far better man than about 99% of characters in the series

[@gelrose8117]

This. Is. Genius. This video really helped me connect the missing pieces I could not see! I wish George would come out with the Winds of Winter already to confirm Littlefinger is related to the Three-eyed Crow. It just makes sense he does. You guys made a great observation that Littlefinger's name is based off of the demon prince Bael. Originally I had assumed Baelish was based off of Bael the Bard who "stole" the daughter of Winterfell, just like Petyr did with Sansa. But I like the demon reference a whole lot better for the following reasons. Did you guys know Bael is another variation of Baal, the Canaanite storm god? Storm gods are historically associated with chaos and foreigners/strangers, or "others". Euron is known to make sacrifices in the name of the Storm God of the Ironborn... I wonder if George is trying to hint there's a connection between Euron and Littlefinger too. It can't be a coincidence that Littlefinger chose a ship called 'The Merling King'. I wonder if George is trying to tell us merlings, storm gods and Deep Ones are in fact all connected to the Great Other. But what if Littlefinger is not just an agent of the Great Other-- he IS the Great Other. Chaos is a ladder, right? Perhaps Petyr changing his family's sigil from the Titan to a mockingbird is another clue? The Children are suspected of being associated with the Great Other and they warred with Giants. Or if Petyr is not the Great Other than I'm willing to bet Littlefinger is being Littlefinger and has the stone balls to use the Three-eyed Crow for his own benefits... I know it's said Petyr chose the Mockingbird because he's "mocking" people, but mockingbirds are known to attack crows.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much...I'm going to stay away from commenting much on your thoughts, other than to say, we agree with almost everything you said...we're going to do more LF videos relatively soon and Euron is on the way as well

[@gelrose8117]

Looking forward to it.

[@phantomjoker5]

Yeah more Littlefinger :D

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

what a little devil he is

[@blaze556922]

Nope, he's a good guy :) You'll see by the end.

[@Thebees21]

Petyr is my absolute favorite character in these books, and the show. Honestly I think he might be one of my favorite characters in any book/show.

[@AwakeAtTheWheel]

The dream hacking abilities described here sounds a lot like a glass candle. I don’t doubt the Three-Eyed Crow’s influence, but a glass candle would be a great mechanism without giving Littlefinger powers through lineage.

[@CrimswordKnight]

Didn't Joff hear Robert commenting that living as a cripple was no way to live in private? I remember it in the books. Joff basically did it because he wanted Robert's approval in some sick way. Like the time he killed that cat and cut it open to see its babies for which Robert almost knocked his teeth out.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

haha so true (last part), but yes the story goes that he did it because he overheard his father saying that stronger men would give him the gift of mercy, but that doesn't really add up, plus HOW did he find the perfect hidden dagger to get it done??

[@CrimswordKnight]

I see your point. I think in the book somewhere it was said the dagger was probably one of many weapons given as a gift to robert and that a large part of the royal armory has to be taken with the king on travel in case he wants something for any reason. Does seem odd that Joff would give that dagger considering how he responds to Tywin giving him a VS sword to him latter that was reforged from Ice.

[@MrVonFrom]

CrimswordKnight i Think we were fooled by Tyrions drunken logic when he decided that Joffrey did it. Even though Tyrion is clever he doesn’t always come to the right conclusions.

[@TheVeganFinalBoss]

Is it weird that I pause the video 4x or so, go make a coffee, all so I've got more OOGH to look forward to? this type of content has to be paused, pondered over, then rewatched. The first dislike that appears on this channel, I challenge the clicker to single combat. SO, LET'S DO THIS.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thanks for once again being the man Sir Liam, Knight of the Order Guard, of House Henderson

[@TheVeganFinalBoss]

that's entirely how it is good sir, you've got taste

[@Caldera01]

Not the first to dislike the video, but I'll accept your challenge anyway. Here are my points I am argumenting for: 1. Joffrey is an insane sycophant with little concideration for the concequence of his actions. 2. Joffrey being able to hire an effective assassin. 3. Joffreys motivation to screw with both Starks and Tyrion 4. These factors alone being enough to explain all of his actions without the need for magical death realm mystic mind control, which requires several leaps of faith and stretches of logic, that isn't showcased, or used anywhere else.

[@TheVeganFinalBoss]

The text supports both theories Caldera. If it didn't, this channel would not exist. Yes joffreys motivations are clearly obvious on the surface, that doesn't mean it went down exactly how you think, thank god we all have differing opinions, I think this is in line perfectly well with Georges work, not just ASOIAF. The physical/metaphysical nature of ASOIAF is definitely worth getting into.

[@TheVeganFinalBoss]

And of course you wouldn't be the first to dislike it (not sure why you mentioned you're not the first dislike? maybe to influence others into thinking the channel isn't worthy?) there is a horde of people who dislike every single video purely because this channel theorizes that N+A=J The text backs everything up that I've checked, I'm a fan of their theories because they are well thought out and grounded in the text. That's all you can ask. I agree that there's reason enough in the first place for Joff to do it, that doesn't mean there wasn't another hidden hand, if anything it is written to make it seem it was just him, and the order are looking into other possibilities of the who/when/what went down. I don't think anything at all that the order has produced could be considered ''leaps of faith and stretches of logic' and I think the metaphysical is pertinent, we're talking about the meta-physical, the third eye, all of which is supported directly in the text. Have a nice day

[@jamessparks5966]

I'm subscribed to several channels dedicated to Game of Thrones, and I must admit that yours is the most entertaining and informative of them all. Keep up the good work guys.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thanks so much!!

[@_Lionsin]

I think Littlefinger has been out to cause pain to and eradicate the Starks. He was rejected multiple times by Kat and nearly killed by a Stark, to be saved by a Stark. Then sees the women have the children that could have been his with the man who saved his life, who was his brother. He says fuck the Starks and works to eliminate all of them with the end goal of being king of the North, kneeling to whoever sits on the Iron Throne. He would have his revenge whilst pissing on their graves in the crypts below.

[@varunkaushik2732]

Remember when Littlefinger said to catelyn "never expected to see you so soon" or something like that in the first book, so that further strengthens your theory. Littlefinger knew about both the fall and assassination attempt.

[@jacopoarmini7889]

Remind me, that if I ever become king, I have to kill the one with the vaacum cleaner vendor smile first.

[@aryahavinfun5682]

Euron was also visited by the crow... And Quathe sends dreams to Dany, though those don't seem to promise the same sorts of things...

[@aaronslade9301]

Wow! Great video! Definitely one of my favorites. You guys are fantastic! I LOVE LOVE LOVE the idea that Littlefingers opened his third eye after his brush with death. This video gave me so much to think about. 1. Mockingbird Symbolism. First thing I read when I looked this up was "mockingbirds have intelligence equal to that of ravens or crows." Just thought that was interesting. They can also be a symbol for innocence, but that interpretation would be ironic for Littlefinger. 2. If you're right about the Children being involved in the founding of Bravos, i now wonder if Littlefinger has ancestors that were Children of the forest, which might explain his potential psychic gifts AND his short stature. I think the same thing could be true for the crannogmen, who are also known for being short. Is it possible Littlefinger is working for/with the Children of the forest? 3.I'm not sure why exactly, but i'm now wondering if Littlefinger actually IS the Three-eyed Crow. Bloodraven was confused when Bran asked if he was the three-eyed crow, so we know it's not Bloodraven. Also GRRM once said that we would never see an actual god in this story, so the Great Other might not be the all powerful supernatural entity some have imagined. It could be a human. Also, with the way the Wall's magic works, the Great Other would almost have to be somewhere South of the Wall. The Great Other wouldn't be able to psychically reach someone in Westeros if he/she/it were North of the wall. Question: Once Bran is North of the Wall, does he still receive visions from the three-eyed crow? 4. Sweetrobin is having weird dreams, hearing voices/singing in his sleep, and he's obsessed with flying dreams like Bran. Is it a coincidence that Littlefinger just happens to be at the Eyrie while this is happening?

[@anaisabel713]

I kept telling my friends the logistics of this was impossible. I liked this a lot!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thanks Ana! we almost killed each other making it, but it made it. haha

[@anaisabel713]

I can't wait for the next one :)

[@TheHighCooker]

Hard day at work and when i get home preston and the order have a new video, totally fix my day

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

there ya go!

[@theneverendinghighway]

The thing I'm wrestling with, is what is the Great Other's motive? Why is Littlefinger willing to kill Bran but the three eye crow is trying to lure Bran north?

[@stlegion-px1wo]

Not all of the crows motives have to be shared the atteptive murder serves both it helps distract mankind from the true war and allows bran to be sent north of the wall because anyone who would prevent bran from leaving is gone

[@malmorbidus2788]

Gives a whole new meaning to the "king of ashes" quote

[@khaleesiamde6215]

I curse anyone who dislikes your videos to the Seven Hells! Between this series and your Cat series, you are hands down my new favorite channel.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much

[@jeffjohnson8681]

A man must have more videos.. Another great video, you guys and secrets of the citadel probably have the best asoiaf book analysis on youtube.

[@jamiewilson20]

I have still a couple issues of Little Finger being an instrument of the three eyed crow. 1. You brought the issues of how Joffrey would go about hiring the catspaw, but never actually came around to answering them. Are you implying that LF also influenced the catspaw to patiently wait a week to kill Bran? Also did he influence Catelyn into staying in Bran's room to catch the catspaw? 2. Let say LF is working with the TEC, and he gave the idea of killing Bran to Joffrey. If the catspaw actually succeeded in killing Bran, wouldn't that go against the wishes of the TEC? Also would the catspaw leave the dagger as clue to who the culprit is? 3. Wouldn't the death of Bran would have a negative effect to LF plan of having Ned in King's Landing? I surmise that if Bran was killed by the catspaw Ned would return to WF to put Bran in crips. Thereafter I do not see Ned returning to KL especially with so many Lannister there. I do believe there would be a war between the Starks and Lannisters, however what roll LF would play in it difficult to speculate on. LF wanted Ned in KL for the coup to consolidate more power in KL. Do not think I don't like your content, you're my second favorite ASOIAF channel after Preston. But if a theory isn't convincing enough it's hard to get behind it

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

the catspaw was the same guy who delivered the box with Lysa's letter...he was already LF's man, sitting there, ready and willing...the point of the video is that LF likes to be the one who provides what people want...he plays to their desires...he gave Joffrey his first taste...he set the whole thing up so Joffrey would be the guilty party, even though it was his doing, just like he set the assassination of Joffrey up so it would appear he had nothing to do with it when his littlefingerprints were all over it....this is similar, but with the small twist that he literally whispered in joffrey's ear telling him how he could fulfill his two greatest desires...killing/hurting people, and making his father proud

[@B_dizzy-l5v]

"But what if, I were to disguise Sansa as my own daughter? Ho ho ho delightfully Baelishy, Petyr"

[@GarrettTruesdale]

So many things I had never noticed or thought of before in this video! Keep up the great work Order of the Green Hand! Looking forward to the next video on the Stone Demon or any other topic.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

hahaha Stone Demon! I was laughing last night, I'm like wtf is this? haha Stone Demon, wow.

[@mikeb8459]

I like the Lil'finger's deal with the devil aspect, but it doesn't seem that he would have had to work as hard at manipulation as he does if he could simply takeover the minds of his pawns.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I don't think he is a skinchanger, which is why he can't seize minds like Bran can...he can enter their dreams, and quite possibly their minds, and plant ideas there, but that seems like it would need to be done delicately or the person you are doing it to would go crazy, especially if you were doing it all the time...instead of doing that, he uses his ability to literally know what the person he is talking to needs to hear, wants to hear, wants period, and it allows him to walk them right to where he wanted them to be, while they are none the wiser and think it was their idea

[@mikeb8459]

Those are powers exclusive to the three-eyed crow as far as we know. I think the name derivation was spot on and maybe there is something to this theory, but I just haven't seen anything to suggest a connection between Littlefinger and anything metaphysical. That said, you're still my favorite ASOIAF theorists... the depth of your thought is unrivaled... though I worry you'll eventually blame Catelyn for the assassination of JFK.

[@Glockler]

The bitch was on the grassy knoll that day, it is known! :)

[@mikeb8459]

Almost certainly, but the CIA had the Freys kill her two days before she was to testify before the HSCA.

[@canuckpatriot1735]

If Littlefinger can read minds, than can he read Vary's mind and does he know what Vary's thinks and ultimately wants?

[@kuricosmos]

I feel like there is a more practical, non-mythical explanation derived by this theory's excellent sleuthing. The Catspaw is simply one of Petyr's well placed daggers. They accompanied the King's party, just as Mance was also in the party. There he had Joff's ear sometime after hearing Robert's drunken spiel about how killing Bran would be a mercy. Thus, the whispers combined with Joff's desire to impress his Father results in the attempt.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

timing is the main issue with it...we do think the guy who delivered the box with Lysa's hidden message was the catspaw, but there is no way to get ravens back and forth quick enough for LF to coordinate it...we are going to do part 4 of this series pretty soon I think...we had a few topics that we knew we had to cover first to lay some groundwork for where we are going with LF and I think in the next month or so we should be ready to continue

[@morellanaghenz778]

If LF is an instrument of the great other and considering your other videos, Sansa, Arya, and bran are all being pulled away from home when they should be returning. Reminds me of the quote "the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives." Is it possible that Robb and Rickon were being approached by the great other as well and we just don't know because they are not POV characters?

[@kellylausman259]

Yay! I was checking your channel earlier to make sure I didn't miss anything! I love when you come out with new content. It's the most thoroughly researched ASoIaF topics on KZbin! Love you guys!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much...Hope you enjoy

[@dimble3]

Remember, Euron can enter dreams and was also very likely visited by the 3 eyed crow

[@shinratensi1]

great series!!! little finger as a fledgeling warg.. far too complicated ... what Martin was getting at in his statement was little finger influenced jeoff BEFORE they went to Winterfel. the assassination attempt went wrong because Jamie pushed bran out of the window. what that did was give the assassin an easier target... so he thought... he didn't figure that lady stone heart would neglect everything and never leave the room and he certainly didn't factor in dire wolves. but what im saying is if bran never got pushed the assassination attempt still takes place because it was pre planned.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thats a pretty cool idea. i like it.

[@matth523]

Y'all are killin' it!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you

[@joanisarmento]

Sorry, I've been late to see your videos and quite silent. The previous one about LF I did see, but didn't even comment and said that I loved it, I really did! I've been having tons of work and almost no energy left when work is over. Anyway... I'm super happy to find here a new OOTGH, what a perfect way to end a long day. So ... Let's do this! 🤓

[@pop8796]

Hold on a minute, gotta go find my tinfoil hat.

[@MrScottie301]

I love the unique view you guys take on a Song of Ice and Fire! Keep them coming!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much...we will

[@chakka3000]

Nice to see a continuation of the story!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thanks!

[@AmySoyka]

A number of really great points in this video! I think that you are onto something here!...So many possibilities!!! As usual - points and questions. #1. Lysa's *numerous* miscarriages. Petyr has slept with Lysa before. Petyr is rumoured to have fathered Robert. (sweet*robin* - Petyr has a thing for birds) Petyr slept with Lysa after they were wed. Do you think Petyr is performing shadow magic with the babies? If so, is Lysa's behaviour at the Drearfort the result of *ahem* some kind of spiritual ritual? If so, who is the shadow demon intended for this time? * the Demon of the Trident. Robert Baratheon is called as thus. Ned appears to hold some remorse and resentment towards Robert having killed Rhaegar (the fact that he didn't wait). Robert believes the lie that Rhaegar repeatedly raped Lyanna. Where did this lie come from? Do you think Petry warged either Robert or Rhaegar? (the whole trident battle is very similar to Petyr's battle with Brandon Stark - the one that you say is significant in aiding him with learning magic!) * the things I do for love. It's a bit out of character for Jamie to drop Bran out of the window, don't you think? For your kill Bran plot to work, wouldn't he need to have done? Also, the three eyed crow really resents Bran remembering how he came to be dropped out of the window... Why do you think that is? (Chaos is a ladder. Bran loves to climb.)

[@ryanhodgson9693]

Also, can you guys do a short video on the significance and backstory of the Titan of Braavos?

[@justincase5332]

This is the most original theory I've ever come across. Don't think it'll pan out but god damn it gets me excited thinking about it!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you

[@hohenhiemhohenhiem5717]

this channel would be the reason why i fail my finals. anyways. i find it very hard to believe all of this complicated and extremely interconnected story-lines generating in the mind of the author, how he arrange the timeline and plant subtle hints, is absolutely amazing. i find it easier to believe that fans just read much into it

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Hope your finals go well...while I do appreciate your devotion to watching our videos, make sure you take care of business...we think the books take this long to write because of how extremely interconnected and detailed the story-lines are, and he researches so much that it seems impossible to write them any faster than he does

[@enysuntra1347]

GRRM really makes some bad choices. Joffrey is a rabid dog. It is totally in character for him to have Ned, or Bran, or any other killed at the slightest justification. If it weren't for Tyrion, he'd have Sansa killed too. You painting him as a manipulation god takes away from one of Littlefinger's key characteristics, strangely absent from your 10 rules: Identifying and profiting from opportunity. Chaos is a ladder, not in fact a carefully crafted plan by Littlefinger. Magical capabilities in Littlefinger would be absolutely ludicrous and diminish his character. He is not magical, and he is no hidden Targaryen. He is just an opportunist who can make the best of any situation. Him having Jon Arryn killed just when he had discovered hints on Joffrey's real parentage is no coincidence. Cerseï really was most probably the driving force behind Arryn's murder. Littlefinger first did her dirty work, then turned around to frame her to Ned. This is simply self preservation, for he a) must have feared Ned could have discovered his involvement, and b) it was an opportunity to have her divorced from Catelyn, either by execution or Black Watch. I still find it idiotic that Littlefinger should have influenced Joffrey to have Ned executed, but *maybe* it could be explained by him having Ned out of Catelyn's life altogether, perhaps making her turn to him for comfort. Ned being appointed as Hand of the King was a coin toss. Tywin Lannister could also have been chosen, given his experience as Hand of the King during the Mad King's reign. When Catelyn was in King's Landing, he again took the opportunity to gain access to Ned. Quite frankly, Littlefinger as a mundane opportunist with great intellect and skill is much, much more interesting than a magical Littlefinger using glass candles and perhaps being a lost Targaryen. Let's simply keep him being mundane.

[@SteveM000100]

Great point about him taking the money and running!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you

[@telamere2043]

Isn't it more likely that the silver was a down payment?

[@redsands2064]

This is deep.. Insightful.. I bet Gurrm wasn't even thinking about this.. you're now giving him ideas

[@elsiedaniels5942]

This video was awesome. Interesting thought accrued as I listened. If Bran can visit Jon's dreams he may be able to let Jon know about his parentage. Not that Jon would believe it from a dream,but it could plant the seed and something later could help to convene him. Of course it has no baring on anyone else knowing. Also if Jon leaves winterfell and Bran arrives there he can communicate with Jon all the happenings there. Witch could be very helpful considering all that's going on.Im not a big fan of all the Bran stuff,time travel and all but this info makes it better for me.Except I'm just not sure about the three eyed crow, his influence on Bran and what that can mean or do.Thanks for a great video and so much food for thought.

[@tracywhitlock5395]

Oh happy day...thanks greenhands, love your videos ALWAYS!!!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you Tracy!

[@solytix1854]

I'm with Wulgar on this, if he had to use magic to get what he wanted it's not the same as simply being clever and strategic. Perhaps he expected Cersei and Jaime to be using the tower for shagging (even possibly made a joke in their hearing about the tower being useful for such things, being private and all that) and, knowing Bran is a climber, could have also expected Bran would have seen them. Their incest couldn't be allowed to become public knowledge because it would undermine any succession plans for the Iron Throne that would include the children believed to have been King Robert's. Or did he speak to someone who told him Bran would fall from the tower? The other main problem with Littlefinger having any form of magical abilities is that, given his ambition to get the Throne, he would have been a lot more likely to have had the Lannisters, Starks and others protecting him by making them dream that he is important to their House or their members personally. He would not have had to do a lot of the stuff he has done if he was able to manipulate dreams and thoughts.

[@flobella7100]

I love your videos... obviously have not watched them all but just found this after doing some searching... after watching tonights GOT episode ep.3 s.7... what LF and Bran (TER) said fits your video perfectly! Love it... love that it validates what i picked up too. Your videos are wonderful!

[@markhayes3523]

Honestly my favorite thing from your chanel is the name the batshit sisters and how you convinced me that cat is so horible i wish that ahara was lady of winterfell insted of batshit one

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

yea yea batshit sisters, yea yea

[@markhayes3523]

The Order of the Green Hand i personaly came up with batshit one and batshit two in refrence ti cat in the hat

[@GarrettTruesdale]

Oh CAT elyn in the hat. . . I see what you did there LOL

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Mark Hayes...hilarious...i love it

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

that is great! one day when I was writing the script, it just flowed out, and then after I was like holy crap, they are descended from the Whents/Lothstons, whose sigil was the Bat, and I'm like wow I did that subconsciously!!

[@cptyossarian5822]

Interesting theory here. I will have to re-read the books to see it there are hints of Littlefinger knowing something about another character that Littlefinger could only know by having the ability to enter the thoughts of others. Great investigation work, and as always your thoughts are well researched and exceptionally well thought out.

[@ryanhodgson9693]

Can't believe i was asleep during the upload time - so bummed i missed it. Oh well, at least i get to see it this morning :)

[@DAS_k1ishEe]

When you brought up "the other" in the last video I thought you came up with some crazed up theory like littlefinger beeing the other himself or his son - something like that. This theory is restrained for your standards and bringing up Petyrs near-death-experience in his youth makes it even convincing to be possible inside the books.

[@kworyltheimmoral4674]

Amaaaazin, lookin forward to the next installment o'this series, reckon it's my favorite theory so far...and there are plenty enough to go on. Keep up the good work :)

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you

[@joanisarmento]

Wow!! All of it is amazing!! His name, the potential consequences of his near death and how he uses it! And more, much more! 💡 I'm going to see this again, again and more 😁 Thank you two for all this. Even if some of your theories would turn out to not be the right one. Just seeing the things from your perspective and thinking of the story that way, by itself, is an amazing experience. On top of that, the way you present all of it to us keeps getting better and better. Keep on 💓Thank You!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you Joana...sorry I have been absent from the comment section for a few days and took so long to respond...we've both been really busy this week and we fell way behind

[@joanisarmento]

Don't be sorry fot that! 😘 You don't even have to answer me or the comments. Though we love that you do! 💓 Thank you! Besides that, I've been super busy too. I just saw your answer now (also, i only get my youtube notifications when i login in a web browser, the app i use most of the times doesn't give me any notifications). Another thing: as i still didn't get to explore and know how to use youtube private messages, I'm going to send you a message on facebook. 😉 And, of course, no rush in answering. It isn't something of much importance, anyway! 🤗

[@brandonjones6295]

Littlefinger died after his duel with Brenden Stark and was replaced either before he left River Run or on his way back to the Fingers after leaving River Run.

[@made-line7627]

Joffrey *is* that deluded that he *would* think Robert would be proud of him, which also ties into why he would choose Bran as his first target. He thought he had justification for this murder, thereby thinking he would be in less trouble than if he'd done it to anyone else. Also, he wasn't really his "first target" (human target, maybe), as he killed that cat (baby serial killer stylez).

[@brandonjones6295]

I have also theorized that Littlefinger has been stealing money and saving to hire the faceless men to seek revenge on house Stark. When Littlefinger went to Bravos to hire the faceless men he was sacrificed and replaced.

[@18mitndi]

I can't help but overlook the fact that Renly just *happened* to die right after Petyr shows up.

[@jonjones7739]

Please make more of these, this was genius! well done. this guy is definitely my second favorite character in the book and show and id love to learn the meaning behind the names of others. i truly enjoyed this up there with the mystery myths and motives videos and the Machiavelli of westeros series, which ive already watched more than thrice. again, thank you for this one, this was genius and like a lot of book and film works there's often much hidden within a person's name, you didnt just hit the nail on the head, you drove it right through steel. today im clicking the subscribe button

[@i2amasecrettarg737]

Awesome video as usual 👍 Thank you for the gripping and enlightening content 😀

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you !! :)

[@davidplasterer6159]

when are you gonna make part 4? I think little fingers storyline is the most important part of the show next to bran.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

in the next month Part 4 will be online

[@meridianmormont665]

Wow!!! Between Petyr and Veris what an awesome web they weave. Amazing how the meaning of Petyrs name fits so well.... Great job as always love your videos. Seven Blessings 💖💖💖

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you Meridian...Seven Blessings

[@nitegxd9755]

When its finals week and The Order of the Greenhand post another amazing video. 😰😰😰

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

So sorry Ser! I hope you enjoyed and do awesome on your finals!

[@angelajansons9037]

I think Littlefinger hired the cat's paw directly and sent him in the king's baggage train to Winterfell to spy for him. I also think he has a glass candle. He has a rare dragonbone dagger, after all. Whoever hired the assassin didn't know that Catelyn would be there, or the wolf. Every one of the Lannisters knew she wouldn't leave Bran's side. So Joffrey would have been able to inform the killer of that part, at least.

[@LucidHorizons]

Really interesting food for thought in this series. Liked and subscribed. 👌

[@frankybee9]

You know this video makes perfect sense. Petyr is never seen in the godswood or near the werewood throne in the Vale. Also he oddly enough doesn't spend time around maester.

[@abdullahmahdi2861]

Hello, I enjoy your theories, thank you so much for the doses. I want to ask you questions though about Varys. I know that the show deviated a lot by now, and in last season he supported Dany, but in the first season she was almost poisoned under his command. And in the books he is supporting young Egg. So is he gonna set Dany vs Egg or what ? Another question is what do you think he heard in the flames when he was cut "root and stem" ?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

I think he wants Aegon to be king, and that is a good idea...he is by far the best candidate (so to speak) for the job...he is well educated, listens to council, is decisive when he needs to be, is just and loyal...I think marrying Dany and her Dragons to Aegon's cause was actually their plan the whole time...I can't figure out exactly what their original plan was because so many changes have been made to their plans that it is nearly impossible to tell, but it seems to me that Viserys was the one that they never wanted to survive the Dothraki Sea and they wanted Dany to hatch the Dragons...I believe they took root and stem

[@abdullahmahdi2861]

Second question: What do u think he heard from the flame ? I think you misunderstood my question because I put " " sorry

[@twolefthands7241]

How about this for Littlefingers involvement; after Jon Arryn died, Robert took his court to WInterfell, which took a Month, maybe more... Remember Littlefinger had Jon Arryn killed and could anticipate what was likely to happen. Cat urges Ned to take the job (Lysa's note insured that), the person who deliverd the 'Myrish lens' was Littlefingers man and had orders to 'Kill' a Stark and leave incriminating evidence that would connect to a Lannister (there were 6 present). That it was Bran, was just lucky chaos, just like Littlefinger likes ;)

[@varti546]

Isn't it more likely that Baelish is a reference to Bael the Bard, rather than a Demon? I mean... the whole stealing a Stark girl?

[@b0therme]

I agree that Littlefinger got his powers from the Three Eyed Crow, but I think it's clear these two are now at odds. The TEC needed Bran to take it into the Stark family crypts: an event I'm sure will later be revealed to be cataclysmic. The TEC needed Bran to lure Jojen Reed to free the "Winged Wolf". If Summer is to be believed, that definitely was not good. The TEC needed Bran to lure Jojen to the caverns North of the Wall where he would be turned to "Jojen Paste" to poison Bran and give him yet more powers. If Littlefinger's catspaw had succeeded, none of that would have come to pass. What if Littlefinger is the hero? The mind boggles!

[@AxeMurderer2222]

In regards to the attempt on Bran's life. I have never been satisfied with it. When the news spreads that Bran will survive his fall, consider this: 1. There exist only two people in the world who know what happened to him, aside from Bran. 2. One of them is the person who failed to kill him to begin with. 3. They could not have told anybody anywhere what really happened for more than just the obvious reason of culpability in an attempted murder. Nor would they. 4. Somebody wants Bran dead...specifically Bran and nobody else. 5. Somebody hired an assassin to do it. 6. Jaimie & Cercei react to the news that there was a failed assassination attempt on Bran with surprise, even confusion and maybe fear. So now some assassin comes to kill Bran. Who could have sent him for the purpose of keeping secret how Bran fell? Only one of two people. Yet when they find out somebody tried to kill him, they apparently do not understand that somehow their secret has gotten out. They act surprised. How did their secret get out? They don't accuse one another of telling. You would not expect either one of them to. They act very oddly if you accept that neither of them sent the guy, somebody else must have. Who? Yes it is important to know this. But what is more important to me is why? Why would anybody else send the assassin? I can only conclude that the assassin was sent for Bran not for the reason that Cercei & Jamie wanted him dead, but for some other reason. It must have been some other reason. Nobody knew the Lannister's reason but them. So why then? What other reason would somebody besides Cercei or Jamie want Bran dead? And how could Jaimie and Cercei not start trying to figure it out? They can't be sure there wasn't some hidden witness to the event. Surely they must be suspecting just that since obviously their secret is out and they are confident that it did not come from them. Of course that doesn't preclude them from deciding that it was for an unrelated reason either...but they don't appear to ever make that conclusion. Still, they just let it roll off them like it doesn't matter. And I have always thought that unusual and out of place. If it was Baelish who tried to kill Bran and make it look like Tyrion did it, then he would have to also assign Tyrion a reason to do it since he did not have one. A reason which would be universally deduced. What was that reason? It was never made clear, but I think it was implied that somehow Tyrion would have known that which is never revealed, by Baelish who also could not possibly have known, in order to convince whoever needed to know to come to a conclusion which they could not possibly make because none of them knew it either. Only Bran knows. I dunno it all confuses me. Why Bran? Why kill him? How could Baelish know? Even if he did, why would he conclude that Tyrion also knows, and everybody knows Tyrion knows, therefore it would be easy to imply Tyrion did it to save his family from shame that nobody knew about? Are we to believe that Baelish invented a motive for Tyrion's frame up which happened to be true by sheer chance? Why would he have "clean hands" as far as Cercei the queen and Jaimie the renowned knight were concerned if that was indeed what happened? Observing that they did nothing to investigate it but concluding that they must have been suspicious about everybody, and especially those who benefitted. Surely they'd suspect whoever hired the assassin of knowing the truth rather than assuming, as they evidently do, that he invented the truth by accident and therefore remains ignorant. Why would Baelish escape their scrutiny more than anybody else? When Tyrion's blade turns up, Cercei & Jamie would be the last to accept Tyrion as the culprit. Though Cercei might be willing to delude herself into it. They probably all would have known the blade originated from Baelish. Baelish would know the blade could be traced back to him. Especially by Lannisters. Still they all know it is only a frame up. Certainly they would look around and wonder. Wouldn't they also wonder why Bran was the target? Why kill Bran? It wasn't because Jaimie pushed him. Couldn't be. Somebody wanted him dead. Somebody hired a guy to do it. You offer the reason that Baelish wanted to start a war. Framing a Lannister for killing a Stark would do it. So why choose Bran when any ole Stark would suffice? Instead of picking one off somewhere easy you go for the least mobile one, who is nearly dead already, locked in a guarded room atop one of the biggest fortified castles in the world? In a coma. Hard to access. Need a professional assassin to carry it out instead of any ole cheap mercenary. When there are more accessible and decidedly more effective targets to choose from. One could argue that 3rd in line and crippled Bran might not be considered worth a war. Certainly not as readily as Ned or Robb or Katyn or even the daughters would be. It is obvious to me that Bran was targeted specifically because he is Bran and not because he is Stark. Why kill Bran? What reason would Baelish have for selecting him? "To start a war" is insufficient, even problematic. Baelish needs a motive to specifically target Bran for death beyond getting the war going. I'm not saying Baelish wasn't involved, or that he didn't leverage power from starting the war, or didn't use this incident with Bran to achieve that goal. I only claim that if he was involved then he must either have a reason for wanting Bran dead that isn't "because he saw Jamie & Cercei together", or he knows who hired the assassin and the reason they want Bran dead. Absent both of those two things I find it nearly impossible to accept that Baelish instigated any of it. If it wasn't Baelish, then who wants Bran dead and why? The Lannister children were not involved. The reactions and conclusions to the assassination attempt on Bran evidenced by several characters don't make a lot of sense. Why would Tyrion conclude Joffery did it out of cruelty because of the dagger, yet never suspect Baelish of being involved despite knowing his character and the fact that the blade originated with him? How does Joffery satisfy his appetite for cruelty by paying someone else to do the deed secretly and out of his sight? If I were Tyrion, I'd be saying "good god it's so obvious, someone must be trying to frame Baelish". Why kill Bran? I cannot answer it. The only people with a reason didn't try it...again. Maybe Bran sent the assassin.

[@emmettmorrison9249]

y'all are by far my favorite channel making these vidoes, keep it up! I'd love a t-shirt from y'all (i think y'all could make really good ones)

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much! we plan on making some soon!

[@ClintSprayberry]

It would be a twist for Little Finger to have a super natural element to his game ... which would better help explain the enigma that is Petyr too ... I have always wondered the following: Baelish's grandfather was a hedge knight, and his father was "awesome" enough in war to impress the ever shrewd Hoster Tully ... but how did a line of valiant warriors turn into a Little Finger? ... and, how did this seemingly normal little boy become such a quick witted, deep thinking strategist? I'll grant that sheer determination can move mountains, but the Petyr Baelish we know borders on "god-like" abilities... Like you guys say, I would not be surprised if G.R.R.M. reveals that Baelish possesses supernatural power. Please keep the videos coming guys!

[@bazzy5644]

The more i think about it and after the last show season, i'm convinced littlefinger and bran are greenseers, which would put the three eyed raven not only on top of the throne, but also indicates he orchastrated every single event with only two men at his behest to do so. Ok, maybe the three eyed raven is also the lord of light, but the show seem to have botched the azor ahai prophecy to the point were that really does not matter much anymore. But i think it still fits in nicely, in theory.

[@DD-ok2pt]

I was under the impression that the 3ER just tapped into powers people already had and enhanced them. Bran wargs and is a skin changer the 3ER did not give him these powers he already had them. Also, there seems to be strong evidence that a human sacrifice was needed to open Bran's 3rd eye: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5nXk4mmmJ14bZI Where do we see LF showing signs that he had powers previous to the 3ER's intervention? If there has been any intervention by the 3ER with LF I think it would be better to compare him with the 3ER's intervention with Euron than Bran. In these cases, it seems they are just influenced. No, I think LF had the cat's paw in place to kill the remaining Stark boys, as he had too much money on him just to kill Bran who was already half dead. LF had plenty of time to receive and respond to ravens from Winterfell. Are you going to make a video regarding LF changing his sigil?

[@mrgaudy1954]

Preston and OotGH upload almost simultaneously, WHAT DO I DO?!

[@ClaytonianJP]

I take a shot every time he says "NOW..."

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

hahaha...I don't know why I do that...

[@jadendred5448]

I love these more psychology type of character profiles. Like how you had Tywin- Machiavelli one and now Littlefingers ways of manipulation. Maybe doing one on Tyrion next? Anyways keep up the good work with these

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you! I am a psychologist and love bringing in these kinds of things whenever possible! :)

[@jadendred5448]

The Order of the Green Hand I especially liked how Littlefingers name meant Stone Demon. Maybe in future a separate video that focuses on other main character names and meaning behind them and how it represents them. Would be an interesting one

[@Glockler]

Another magnificent video, thank you! I cannot wait to hear your opinion on LF's end game.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you glock! coming soon

[@KimsLantern]

Petyr definitely lives up to his name. lol.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

he most certainly does

[@shetlandapache949]

The biggest issue i have with this theory is the genetics of warging and why jojen wouldnt also have all of these abilities. There are clear genetic bloodlines from the first men that are connected to warging and you can follow the genetic matchups that create the magic, especially easily with bloodraven, obsessions and heritage. Littlefinger is famously of bravosi decent. So here are the challenges: 1. What indicates that littlefinger has first men magic powers other than he was once injured? 2. Why doesnt jojen have bran powers and just walk to the 3 eyed crow instead of shepherding bran? Furthermore, i dont see why jauffre has to be involved in the attempt on brans life at all. The only person who gives info to that effect is littlefinger. Tyrion never remembers winning a dagger, nor does anyone else remember littlefinger losing it to robert. Why cant he have armed the cutthroat directly and cut out the middleman? Also how do we know he was in kings landing when robert visited? Thers no information corroborating it.

[@miy1925hassun]

Yes! Yes! Yes! I knew it! He's working for Voldemort!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

hahaha....he's the ultimate Death Eater

[@raswartz]

It seems to me that the obvious motive for Joffrey to kill Bran was spite against Tyrion for slapping him at Winterfell. POV characters almost always give a plausible but wrong answer to the major mysteries of the series. Jaime's answer is that Joffrey wanted to impress Robert. That answer is probably more based in Jaime's own subconscious desire to impress his father Tywin than anything that happened at Winterfell. Tyrion's is stumped and eventually puts it down to Joffrey being vicious and stupid. While this is closer to the truth, Tyrion is wrong in that he never considers that his own actions, i.e. slapping Joffrey, as a possible cause. It's simply a blindspot for Tyrion because he thinks he's so great. Ironically, it is Joffrey who remembers the slap while Tyrion forgets it. Joffrey did not feel sorry for Bran and was annoyed by the constant howling of not-yet-named Summer. He hears how it would be a "mercy" to kill Bran and he even jokes about killing Summer with the Hound. Tyrion comes along and insists that Joffrey offer his condolences to Lord and Lady Stark, which annoys Joffrey because he possesses neither sympathy nor respect for the Starks. Then Tyrion slaps him - hard - embarrassing him. Joffrey, in his sick little mind, thinks, "You know what? I'll show Tyrion! To hell with that little kid. I never liked him anyway." At this point, Littlefinger springs his trap by sending the catspaw to Joffrey, who then brilliantly "hires" said catspaw to kill Bran. I am not sure what means Littlefinger used to stay in touch with goings-on at Winterfell although the 3-eyed crow idea is a possibility. I would prefer to think it is something less supernatural but let's see. Anyway, to me, this motive is corroborated by events in a Clash of Kings. Tyrion slaps Joffrey again after the riot. Like an evolving psychopath, Joffrey uses the same MO but adapts it. Rather than focusing on the reason that Tyrion slapped him, e.g. Bran, this time he puts the target squarely on Tyrion himself. He sends his kingsguard to make sure Tyrion has an "accident" during the battle. True to form as POV character, Tyrion gets it wrong and is convinced that Cersei was behind it. He still doesn't get that his own actions towards Joffrey have consequences. If what you guys are saying about Littlefinger is correct, it could be that he also influenced Joffrey's choice to send Mandon Moore to kill Tyrion during the battle (maybe you'll get to that in a later video).

[@aaronhouston3116]

Awesome vid. Can't wait for more. Cheers!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you Bruce!

[@jenniferg9481]

Couldn’t little finger have also also convinced gofrey that blaming Tyrion would be a good way to get back at him for slapping him in the face at winterfell?

[@lewisdavidson571]

Petyr Baelish A silent why That's genius

[@scottie16976]

I like what you did with this one. some characters names definitely describe them. Petyr Baelish is that little finger prodding you in the the back, moving you where he wants you .He always appeared to have an almost supernatural ability to influence people but it was more impressive when it appeared that he was just THAT good.The great manipulator being manipulated himself would be some twist and it sounds like something GRRM would do. i would love to see a littlefinger POV chapter in the books to see how his mind works. This is the first video you've done thats made me go back and forth on what i think about it and i like that. You seemed to have upped the ante with this one. Great video! I like a channel that doesnt mention Ice Dragons once.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

hahahaha, i love it, no Ice Dragons here ! I enjoyed doing the research on Petyr's name, I might do a video examining the meaning of the character's names, it was fun, and less grim, kind of. stone demon. lol

[@scottie16976]

The Order of the Green Hand Could he have used this method to influence Catelyn? I have been looking into the Cat/Littlefinger relationship to see if they were conspiring and ive found a few things(like the sigil) that seems to suggest they have. i found something else that "suggests" that they had at least been communicating through letters or a third person but it still applies to your theory i think- this is from GOT Catelyn VII-shes watching Bronn fight for Tyrion in his trial by combat,and she's reminded of the duel between Brandon and Littlefinger. it reads- That had been the last time she had seen his face.....until the day she was brought before him in Kings Landing. for me its that she hadnt seen him but she doesnt say anything about recieving messages from him. but after your video its the pause after the word- face.... is she recalling something here? Also When shes travelling by ship to KL GOT Catelyn IV, Ser Rodrick mentions him to her and its the way she recalls his face.it reads,-Catelyns mouth grew tight,"Littlefinger",she murmmured.His face swam up before her; a boys face, though he was a boy no longer. has Llttlefinger been in Cats mind, making her think of him(with the face Cat remembers)?

[@mikem2114]

Love your breakdowns... not having read the books (yet), I don't have the background knowledge. It's clear you have read the books (numerous times) and know them well. Thanks for shedding light on interesting topics.