Game of Thrones: Season 1 - Episode 3 Clip #1 (HBO)

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Game of Thrones: Season 1 - Episode 3 Clip #1 (HBO)
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[@brennenpoffenroth4196]

It's so clear looking back that Jaime looked up to Ned, and he hated his honor being insulted despite doing the right thing.

[@pr-tj5by]

Let's not forget what Jamie said to Tyrion in season 8 "I never cared about the people, guilty or innocent"

[@MrImastinker]

@@pr-tj5by Fuck Season 8.

[@pr-tj5by]

@@MrImastinker He also told Edmure in season 6 that he would kill every man woman and child at Riverrun just to get back to Cercei!

[@MrImastinker]

@@pr-tj5by Yes, and that was further derailment of his character from the book, by the time Season 6 is supposed to be set. Jaime's entire character arc is remembering his honor, and choosing to be his own man. His "love" for Cersei is nothing more than the result of toxic, abusive codependency. Cersei doesn't really love him any more than as an extension of herself. His breaking away from her in Season 7 was just a delayed counterpart to what he's already done in the books. Jaime sees Cersei at last for what she really is, and can't stand her anymore. So in Season 8, for him to suddenly and without explanation go back to her, even when she tried to have him killed, makes no sense whatsoever. And that line, "I never really cared for them. Innocent or otherwise" is a direct contradiction of why he killed Aerys II. He did it to save thousands of lives. He *did* care. But Benioff and Weiss "kinda forgot" that.

[@pr-tj5by]

@@MrImastinker You would have more of a case if he hadn't said what he said in season 6 but he did say it, and that's why Jamie is nothing more than a Weasel who threw a kid out of a window and killed his king once Kings Landing was being sacked and it was time to change sides!

[@sftheletters]

There is much depth in this scene, even a short scene with dialogue says so much about both characters. Jaime desperately wanted Ned’s approval and it ate at him that an honorable man like Lord Stark never respected him. It was as if Jaime said “fine, I’ll be the prick everyone tells me I am” when really he just wanted respect and people to understand why did what he did. Even in season 6 Jaime tells Lord Edmure that he never liked Ned but that was just because Ned was the person Jaime always wanted to be perceived as…someone honorable. The way Ned lands the word “safe” at the end was like an arrow piercing at Jaime’s pride. Brilliant acting

[@ben86jones82]

You served him well, when serving was safe. That's a knock out line. Your points are all true. But Ned recognises that the assassination of the king was committed when the tide had turned anyway. Same with the Lannisters late arrival to the cause. This commitment after victory was assured, rankles him as much as oaths.

[@Sb22-ru2tk]

​​@@ben86jones82 Idk. No one liked arys. If he was liked, then the Lannisters would've supported his cause, but they didn't. They would've supported ned and Robert, but like how every conflict like that goes down in history, it is very risky. Leading a rebellion or revolution is fucking risky, and if you get caught, you are getting the worst death imaginable, as is your family. So yeah idk. Also when the time came to when the king was fucked, everyone turned on him. Roberts rebellion is the most realistic event in asoiaf imo. Way more so than ACoK, because in that, the Lannisters should've been fucked, but they were lucky that all the kings were stupid, lucky that the events magically fell into their favor, even though they failed at every turn, and they were VERY fucking lucky that all the kings didn't form an alliance against them. Alliances have always been formed against the larger, more powerful nations. Then once the alliance won, it would break apart and they would squabble amongst themselves.

[@Inshallahsiuuuu]

@@ben86jones82This exactly, people overlook this point way too much when discussing Jaimes honour. Jaime had no problem standing by while Brandon and Rickard burned alive yet wants to be praised on the merit that he was protecting the innocent?

[@Spectre_Clips]

​@@Sb22-ru2tkeveryone was declearing themself king and did not recognize any other otority

[@matthewsilveira3793]

Dude he pushed his kid out of a window

[@ryanblack9540]

1:45 is the look of a man that has just been genuine for a second and it just gets thrown back in your face 😢

[@joachimkizozo2073]

Yh Nikolaj did such a good job portraying Jaime shame about the later seasons

[@pupper5580]

wow, that is a good analysis. Getting spat on after having been genuine is a different kind of feeling. It makes you need to re-evaluate a lot of things - mostly, that you need to get this person who spat on you (metaphorically) out of your life for good and forever.

[@christopherfoley8322]

@@joachimkizozo2073 i agree, they truly ruined his character. He had the set up to be a character who fully redeems himself, but D&D just had to rush everything, instead of turning things over to someone who would do the series justice and give it the end it truly deserves including Jaime killing Cersei

[@JoeJoe-yn5lc]

Jaime Dug himself into his own shit all the time but I can’t help but to feel bad for him least you can give him is he tried he always tried. His true desires were noble at least more noble than other lannisters besides Tyrian

[@ahsanshaikh786]

Great observation. Imagine if Ned reflected for a moment and then said, I never thought of it that way before. I guess we wouldn't have much of a show then though!

[@ismaelahmad6724]

Ned has a certain point, I dont think he despises Jamie for breaking his oath, he despises him because he from his pov Jamie broke the oath not when his father and brother were killed but only when it was safe, when tywin had already come into Kings Landing. However he does not know Jamie was forced to do it because the mad king wanted to burn down Kings Landing

[@richbattaglia5350]

That’s the rub isn’t it?

[@anweshchatterjee7595]

Why can't Jamie simply just tell him and other people what he told Brienne?

[@InitialPC]

@@anweshchatterjee7595 He told Brienne why when she asked the same thing, Jaime didn't think Ned would care, Ned decided who Jaime was the moment he saw what he had done.

[@anweshchatterjee7595]

@@InitialPC ah yes I remember now. Still think he could have tried though. He told Ned's best friend and Ned's wife, why not the man himself

[@DustGamezX]

I can't blame Jaime at all for killing Aerys, and i think deep down Ned knows it too but it doesn't help with his sense of honor above all and Jaimes smug arrogance. Imagine yourself that constantly you had to watch innocent men, women and even children were burned and brutallized. And then you had to watch a father being slowly burned alive and his son trying t o save him by grabbing a sword but for every inch he struggled forward he strangeled himself (What happened to Rickard and Brandon Stark).

[@nurousek123]

“You served him well, when serving him was safe.” 🔥

[@sagesigman8269]

Aerys named him to the Kingsguard because Cersiei wanted to bring him to Kings Landing (Tywin left Jaimie at the Rock while he served as Hand but took Cersiei) keep him close (and unwed) and manuevered to convince the King. Aerys agreed but only to spite Tywin and the Hand, in retaliation, took Cersiei home and resigned his position. Aerys made Jaimie feel like a hostage... because he was one

[@dmaxwell910901]

I love how different this scene is when you rewatch it after season 3 compared to the first time. First time we see this scene, it's satisfying to see Ned put Jaime down with such a cutting line, since we only know what Ned knows. But now, we sympathise with Jaime, since his actions were genuinely honourable. His comebacks at Ned are recontextualised from him just being a smartass to a display of genuine frustration at the fact that his selfless actions have resulted in everyone viewing him as a dishonourable coward.

[@lanzinator4734]

Exactly what I was thinking watching this now. It's especially poignant because as an audience, we'd like to think we'd always instantly do the honorable thing in dire circumstances. But the reality is most of us are more like Jaime than we'd like to admit. The banality of evil is facilitated by group complicity. Jaime stood by through many atrocities before he finally had the courage to act.

[@dmaxwell910901]

@lanzinator4734 Didn't think about that, but you're absolutely right. The bystander effect is observed all the time and seems to affect the vast majority of humanity. But there are always armchair experts who weren't there/don't have the full story who are like "Oh you should've done this" and "Why didn't you do something?". That's what Ned Stark is doing here.

[@alexbeardsley751]

thats what we call good writing!

[@frankie3010]

No, Jaime is just an idiot. If he told Ned the truth Ned would understand. Anybody would. But he didn't. He let people think the worst of him and he wallowed in bitterness over it instead of being honest. He is a fool.

[@thecryogenicdrummer1110]

@@lanzinator4734 Later, on The Wall, Aegon asks Jon Snow what his father would choose between honor and family. Snow, being a boy, doesn't know how to answer. "My father would do whatever is right." Little does Snow know how his father had long ago had to make such a choice when he carried his "bastard" son north home with him after a long a grueling, painful war. No one gets through life with their honor intact, but we have to try lest we become animals.

[@SamFisher007]

Ned is saying Jaime only killed the Mad King when it was convenient and obvious that the rebellion was prevailing. The second Jaime knew his father was taking the city he immediately betrayed his oath and stabbed Aerys in the back because it was "safe" to do so. That is why Ned despises Jaime so much and yet admires Barristan Selmy and Arthur Dayne even though they were also present when his father and brother were burned alive. Unlike Jaime, they kept their oath to the Mad King not only when it was convenient and safe but also in the end when it was hopeless to continue fighting for the Targaryens. That is the point Ned is making in this clip.

[@jacktheripper4024]

What Ned doesn't know though, is that Jaime was never just a fair-weather friend to Aerys. Jaime begged Rhaeghar to let him accompany him to the trident against Robert. When Tywin arrived and Aerys wanted to believe he had come to help him, Jaime directly warned Aerys against about his dad, urging him to surrender peacefully. Jaime only betrayed Aerys when Aerys decided to go all ' I will burn down all of King's Landing.' Ofco, Ned doesn't know this

[@noahmclaughlin7921]

@@jacktheripper4024 Yeah, Ned’s perspective makes some sense since Jaime never explained this. But Jaime isn’t Tywin. He was willing to serve until the mad king told him to kill thousands of people. He betrayed him to save innocents, not because it was simply convenient for him.

[@estabanspicyweiner930]

@@jacktheripper4024 That doesn't make it better

[@estabanspicyweiner930]

@@noahmclaughlin7921 He betrayed him because he didn't want to burn along with them. Fucker was nuts, he was gonna kill everyone, including Jaime, and his father, and himself. Jaime saved his own ass.

[@noahmclaughlin7921]

@@estabanspicyweiner930 I can’t agree with that. Obviously the fact that obeying him would mean killing his father influenced his decision but Jaime’s confession to Brienne made it pretty clear that his biggest reason for killing Aerys was because he didn’t want so many innocents to die. He had no reason to tell Brienne that and was clearly being sincere, so while he did have selfish reasons to kill Aerys I think it’s pretty clear he was primarily doing it for selfless reasons.

[@anthonyblake4427]

I love when he tells him he doesn’t have a scratch on his armor😂😂😂

[@Ar1AnX1x]

I mean nobody was gonna swing at Robert

[@thrillainthemanilla1409]

I love this scene because Ned is always seen as this super honest man but when he sees Jamie every single word he speaks is extremely sarcastic and cruel lol. Seeing Jamie just triggers him

[@Sigurjon96]

Ned is dishonorable.

[@dommelow2676]

@@Sigurjon96 he is not.

[@Josh-py9rq]

@@dommelow2676 he is he would have let that city burn if he was the royal night behind the mad king or sorry the kingsguard lol I find it Dishonorable to allow endless people to die because of a mad man I find it honerable to take out douche canoe when you can save countless lives Jaime gets the win

[@dommelow2676]

@@Josh-py9rq was Jaime did, was absolutely honorable. But let's be honest..Stannis turned also into a rebel to fight alongside his brother, so Ned wouldn't have the let burn the city either. Jaime just never told him the truth and even if...it's not clear if Ned would have believed him.

[@Mark-xh8md]

No one knew about Aerys' order to burn down the city. From everyone else's perspective, Jaime betrayed his oath as a knight of the KG because his father's army was coming.

[@orko1995]

What i like about Jaime is that when someone's in trouble, he always has a hand to lend.

[@Alex-ml3di]

The pun..

[@viIIaneIIe]

*hand gets cut off*

[@betoalejandrozapata2896]

Not that clever before the golden hand😅

[@itsyaboiiq]

I see what you did there

[@itayonplay352]

Ironic and amazing you wrote that comment before he lost his hand (I think?) ;)

[@dinorex3464]

"Tell me, if I had stabbed the Mad King in the belly instead of the back, would you admire me more?" You can tell how much Jaime respected Ned and how much being despised by him annoyed him.

[@jackson4162]

Jamie hated his fucking guts. He crippled his son and insults him the first minute he sees him.

[@Babylauncher3000]

Makes sense though. Ned and Robert were planning on killing Aerys anyways and he was their liege lord too. The way Jamie went about it just disgusted Ned to his core.

[@kalvin187douglas]

Right

[@SpydeyDan]

@tehren99 "You served him well when serving was safe" pretty much means that Jaime only turned on Aerys when it was safe to do so. He's pretty much calling Jaime a bitch who only stands up for his principles when he knows he'll win. Otherwise, he'll just stand there and hold his tongue while innocent men burn.

[@rahulsarmah4089]

How did you like Jamie evolve?

[@InitialPC]

@@rahulsarmah4089 loved it, master class in character development

[@rektz2457]

Jamie was only a boy when he killed the mad king.

[@kalvin187douglas]

Right

[@azraelwolfsblood2902]

“You just stood there and watch” Also Ned: “You’re a traitor, kingslayer”

[@mrcrabskachow3373]

He’s calling him a hypocrite and a coward. 500 men in that room would have killed Jamie but when it was just him and the king he acted

[@azraelwolfsblood2902]

@@mrcrabskachow3373 hmm what are my chances of killing a monarch? When there are five hundred men that could attack me and easily overpower me if I acted or when he’s alone and no one could stop me. What to do what to do

[@TheGabeOfGabes]

@@azraelwolfsblood2902 yeah I think Neds logic is off here lol so he’s saying it’s better to try and fail to kill the tyrant king in front of 500 subjects (which would probably make things worse because now you lesser your chances in the future because said king now knows people among him want him gone) than to take the clear shot when you have an open opportunity that this tyrant king doesn’t expect.

[@rickstalentedtongue910]

@@azraelwolfsblood2902 No need to kill him when the King had already lost, he could have killed him and saved lives. Jaime wasn't who he wanted to be yet when confronted with the choice. He played it safe until the king was doomed, then magically found his bravery.

[@rickstalentedtongue910]

@@TheGabeOfGabes No, because he didn't need to kill him when he did, King was already doomed and it was meaningless. He needed to to it when he could have saved people, but that was too dangerous, so he did nothing.

[@ohnobees8033]

This was one of the few times where Ned wasn't actually the one in the right. All Ned can see here is someone who broke a sacred oath. Yes, Jaime did do that, but he avenged the deaths of Rickard and Brandon Stark, and also saved the lives of everyone in the city. But Ned can't see past that, and you can clearly see Jaime's words do have some affect on him, but he's blinded by his sense of honour.

[@akritbehera7751]

He served him well when it was safe and then changed!

[@SamFisher007]

Ned was completely in the right on this. Jaime betrayed his oath when it was convenient and "safe" for him to do so, not because it was the right thing to do. He knew the rebellion was winning and that his father was taking the city, perfect opportunity for him to betray the Mad King because no other kingsguard were there to stop him, therefore it was now "safe" for him to do it. Not to mention, Jaime was fucking his twin sister, fathered a deranged psychopath, and tried to kill a 9 year old kid. You really think his actions are motivated by his desire to do the right thing?

[@arashi3483]

Unfortunately, Jamie's confession to Tyrion in Season 8 actually proved Ned to be right. “To be honest, I never really cared for them. Innocent or otherwise.”

[@taan3118]

@@arashi3483 that's just bad writing

[@kvngslayer1242]

Yes and no Ned is completely right when he said “you just stood there and watched”

[@ektoroni]

Gawd, just LOOK at that throne room! Amazing job by the production team. :D

[@Kingedwardiii2003]

Lol

[@BlackDiamond2718]

I really liked how joffrey added the braziers to each pillar. Love what he said about the decorations matching the conqueror’s seat.

[@RealBono]

Wow this comment is old!

[@mortman200]

I like that after getting his jabs in, Jaime genuinely tries to sympathize with Ned and explain himself, only for Ned to throw it back in his face. So Jaime immediately closes off again.

[@thepowerofsand6180]

Idk why he opened like that. He might have gotten away with it if he hadn't mentioned how brutally his Father and Brother were murdered ( Neds biggest trauma)

[@XJ0461C]

These two don't get nearly enough credit for their scenes together. All anyone ever talks about is Tyrion, Robert, Bronn, Baelish, but this is easily one of the single best conversations in the whole show and it's delivered masterfully by these two actors. I wish the show had actually portrayed the scene of Ned walking into the Iron Throne room to find Aerys II dead at the steps and Jaime sitting on it instead of merely describing it to us in dialogue, perhaps even as the very opening scene. It could have effortlessly communicated so much story to the audience without a single word spoken and added more weight to this scene.

[@darksaintcj]

It's reflective scenes like this that make me want to each a whole new direct prequal of Roberts rebellion,

[@MarvelousLXVII]

The prequal everyone wants--not the garbage they have now.

[@Movielover123451]

This is absolutely word for word from the books. Amazing.

[@roll14tideroll]

Jaime just trying to get Ned’s approval lol

[@fmswatchdo2373]

Sean Bean is such an unreal, beautiful actor.

[@TheLevitatingFleem]

when the dialogue & acting are on *point*

[@MustafaAlDeweik]

The acting stayed strong through out all seasons, so did music and production. Only the writing derailed horribly.

[@TheLevitatingFleem]

@@MustafaAlDeweik I agree, some of my fucking *favorite* music from the series was in S8. Makes me feel really bad for the composer

[@saxpackabs]

I often wonder what Ned would have said if he knew Jamie killed The Mad King to protect innocent lives. I get the impression Jamie told Ned the minute he found him in the throne room, but Ned wouldn't listen.

[@dommelow2676]

He didn't tell him, instead he was sitting on the throne. Thatswhy their relation was this bad.

[@pablocollisonvallejo9018]

read the books, he didn’t say anything n from ned pov in book 1 when he enters the throne room he says jamie smugly sat back in the throne w his king dead at the steps

[@amanimckenzie32]

We actually know that Jaime did not tell Ned. He sat on the iron throne with the dead king at his feet whilst Ned rode up to him. Ned then stared at Jaime coldly and then Jaime got up and told Ned he was only warming the seat for Robert. At that point in time, Jaime was having an internal mental breakdown, and by the time he was probably ready to tell what really happened everybody had already judged him as an oathbreaker. So afterwards he decided to embrace his new moniker and persona and refuse to tell anybody the truth because in his eyes, he didn't require their approval.

[@RTU130]

Right

[@jackson4162]

And if Ned knew Jaime tried to kill his son he’d take his head off

[@pingukutepro]

1:42 Best comeback ever

[@xxlCortez]

Jaime didn't lie though. These events were pretty much the same in the book and in Jaime's chapter he thinks about how he detached himself from reality to endure watching it.

[@pingukutepro]

I agree with Jaime but that is a good line from Ned haha

[@thepowerofsand6180]

Both characters are correct in the scene. Jaime did what was right in the moment but Ned in criticising him for only killing the King once the war was lost. Selmy and Dayne at least fought honorably on the Battlefield and kept their vows but Jaime betrayed his vows and did nothing as the king murdered Neds Father and Brother

[@BlackDiamond2718]

You notice the irony between speaking with jamie and baelish. “You chose your enemies wisely.” “Perhaps you picked the wrong man to duel with.”

[@Ar1AnX1x]

genuinely one of the best scenes in the entire series, I'd say even top 10

[@neilferrer4616]

i watching this after last season 8 episode 6 game of throne thank for the master piece show.

[@PGS1988]

The real tragedy in this scene that Jaime truly feels that he ,,avenged” the Stark’s death and he hoped that Ned will see this way too.Jaime admired Ned and if the Tyrion situation’s not occured I think he could even join blades in some sort of way with Ned.

[@rafmiranda516]

The face of Ned when we enters the throne rooms makes me think that he is remembering when he enterred that same room during the sack of Kings Landing

[@cyba9608]

In the books Robb and Joffrey are the same age (14) but in the series Robb looks like he's 10 years older than Joffrey xD

[@ritwikgaur1858]

In real also joffery and robb are of same age.. It's just that joffery looks too young..

[@dad8562]

cyba, stfu

[@riverdaletales8457]

They are both 17 in the books , Robb looks like he could be 17 considering 17 year olds be looking old

[@noahmclaughlin7921]

@@riverdaletales8457 No. Robb is 14 in the beginning of the books and Joffrey is 12.

[@shooshooshooshooshooter]

@@noahmclaughlin7921 thanks for correcting the normies

[@topgunitsme]

His dad is the hand now. Oh the irony.

[@batman21011999]

Yes...sure he is...

[@1junjun123]

and WAS the hand for 20 years..

[@fuadqurbanaliyev9406]

Omg 6 years ago...

[@Carmenfiong]

​@fuadqurbanaliyev9406 10 years...

[@rovinsingh4698]

"The hand wipes." LOL. I wonder if that was intentional.

[@tonymontana7851]

This scene is two minutes yet has more meaning than S8 😔

[@thatstheway2429]

I love Ned, but he’s just so god damn stubborn. Imagine having a proper conversation with Jaime and trying to better understand his side. As Jaime said “he deemed me guilty the moment he saw me.” Imagine someone else in Ned’s place, specifically the person who I think has the greatest combination of honor, pragmatism and morality: Ser Davos.

[@stevenchoza6391]

Except Jaime never told him the truth of why he killed the Mad King. So, obviously, he’s only going to see it as an opportunistic murder by someone who swore an oath to protect the King even as other Kingsguard members held said oaths to the end, fighting until they either died or almost died.

[@OldWestGunslinger-vs9mx]

It's kinda hard to see him as anything but opportunistic without knowing what the Mad King intended to do.

[@thatstheway2429]

@@OldWestGunslinger-vs9mx but like Ned clearly knew the Mad King was “mad”. You’re right Jamie doesn’t fully explain, but it’s still a bit frustrating.

[@marcopolo9935]

"You served him well, when the serving was safe." that line by the look of it really did hurt him. when the person you respect don't know what you had to do for the good of all. (if only he knew)

[@-WEST-]

"You served him will. When serving was safe." Never noticed before that he looked down one more time at Jaime's unscratched armor before walking away.

[@kobi2643]

like saying if he'd continued to serve him until the end maybe he would get some scratches on his armor then.

[@thecryogenicdrummer1110]

The world is full of people serving well so long as it's safe to do so. Varys' riddle comes to mind.

[@fantasymangacomicvisionary5688]

You served him well. When serving him was safe (Facts). Ned Stark the only person who could burn, roast and destroy Cocky Arrogant Jamie B.S right to his face, leaving Jamie stuck.

[@noahmclaughlin7921]

Except Jaime didn’t kill him there because there were hundreds of people in the room that could’ve easily overpowered him. When he killed him, not only would it have been more than a suicide mission, it was when the mad king threatened to kill an massively larger group of people than he did previously, and civilians at that. It’s not like Jaime didn’t sacrifice anything. His honor and public perception were ruined after this and he knew he would be seen as a monster. He’s not like Tywin, he betrayed the king then because a. He could actually succeed then. And b. He wanted Jaime to kill countless people at that point. Not saying Jaime’s a great guy, but Ned was wrong about him in this case.

[@fantasymangacomicvisionary5688]

@@noahmclaughlin7921 Excuses. Like Ned Stark said that Scumbag Jamie only had the guts to stand up for what was right when it was safe to do so. #OneTrueKingStannis

[@noahmclaughlin7921]

@@fantasymangacomicvisionary5688 Yeah, because he would’ve died for nothing if he did so beforehand. Jaime would be an honorable idiot like Ned if he attacked the mad king then. And wouldn’t been a selfish monster if he obeyed him to burn everyone. Jaime’s done plenty of wrong, but his actions in both these instances were completely justified. Starkcells seep over Lannister chads here.

[@fantasymangacomicvisionary5688]

@@noahmclaughlin7921 no Jamie would've died for Justice like a True Brave Knight. So your logic is if the Mad King was well protected before he gave the order to burn the city, then Jamie shouldn't have tried to kill him because he would've died? #OneTrueKingStannis

[@noahmclaughlin7921]

@@fantasymangacomicvisionary5688Perhaps I worded what it badly. I don’t think it was necessarily that right thing to let Aerys kill them, but it was understandable given that it would’ve been a meaningless death on his part, it’s hard to blame him, especially since it was the right thing to do since he managed to do more good in the future by slaying the king later on. More importantly, there’s a very big difference between being willing to let two people die when you can’t do anything about it, and letting thousands of people die when you can do something about it. Especially when he’s being demanded to do so himself now. These scenarios are very different. Whether Jaime would’ve tried to kill Aerys at that point if he was guarded I’m not sure, but he certainly wouldn’t have taken out his orders to kill so many people. My issue here is that 1. Ned is clearly upset that Jaime broke his oath when it was the moral thing to do there 2. Ned assumes that Jaime did so for only self benefit, when in reality it was a very selfless and self sacrificing action on his part. Although to be fair Jaime never fully shared his side of the story, not that Ned would care.

[@lanzinator4734]

This scene is especially poignant because as an audience, we'd like to think we'd always instantly do the honorable thing in dire circumstances. But the reality is most of us are more like Jaime than we'd like to admit. The banality of evil is facilitated by group complicity. Jaime stood by through many atrocities before he finally had the courage to act.

[@pIayingwithmahwii]

yeah, i know i wouldn't have done anything if i were jaime when Aerys was burning Ned's family. i especially wouldn't have when i was only 16 like jaime was. back then i was weak and a coward and a follower, like most of us are at that age. ned is wrong to judge jaime so harshly, but he is right, jaime did nothing when it would've been risky, and only acted against aerys when he knew it would probably be safe to do so. if he did it when aerys was burning ned's family, the other kingsguard would've seized and executed him. but when he finally did kill aerys, i mean, his own dad had control of the city, and aerys' biggest enemy would soon take the throne afterward

[@OldWestGunslinger-vs9mx]

Arguably Jaime kept his oaths as long as was possible. He only killed the Mad King when he was about to kill tens of thousands of people.

[@tmrevenge]

He did atrocities himself. Remember he pushed bran

[@bigdreamsbullys]

This scene is so perfect with so many layers of meaning

[@natedoggrevolution]

“ I have a knack for it.” It’s probably the best line in this whole exchange because of what he is actually saying!

[@The_IcemaN_723]

Better dialogue in this scene than the entire Rings of Power series.

[@tylerwill5688]

I believe the point Ned was making is that he only killed his king to kinda save himself. He already killed the pyromancer so he saved the city already

[@dommelow2676]

Ned didn't knew the part with the pyromancer. He just thought (which one can understand) that he killed Aerys bc he was on the losing side.

[@seto_kaiba_]

The mad king being alive at that point presents a threat to the city.

[@ВелиалВинчестер]

What could one man do to the city? Like Superman, would he destroy the city with his hands? Don't make excuses

[@GabeNsApostle]

@@ВелиалВинчестер No but he could have called for others to kill Jaime after the pyromancer died, and ignite the wildfire caches beneath the city anyway.

[@mattwarlock]

i really do like that fact that, even in the later seasons, the show never took a completely black and white approach to its stories. like yes, ned stark was incredibly honorable but he was not perfect, and the mistakes and choices he made trickled down to some pretty harsh consequences.

[@aditya_arya]

Even the most despicable crave for a slight validation from you, when you are honourable you are honourable.

[@WhiteRose226]

I was half expecting them to start going at it.

[@Lynonjinn]

@snuau I would say that Ned was far more able as a commander than as a fighter. I can't remember where but I think it says that Brandon (his older brother) was the swordsman in the family. Anyway, Jaime is probably the best swordsman in Westeros at the time of a Game of Thrones.

[@christopherfoley8322]

that look on his face, the near tears in his eyes, if Ned had just put it differently or asked him for his side of the story, it might have changed the confrontation outside the brothel to just a conversation or something less than a fight where Ned got wounded, and his guards got killed

[@santa173]

Even if Eddard was right on many things, he was too relentless with Jaimie. After all he was protecting his family. Probably Ned was a bit jealous of him because he could not do it himself and that guiltiness burnt him all his life.

[@Bloodynine606]

You served him well when serving was safe is still one of the sickest burns in the whole series

[@WINuFAIL]

Ned was built up as the main character but the truth is he was very flawed. A kind father and a strong leader, but also short sighted and a hypocrite. His treatment of Jamie encapsulates a lot of both of their struggles. One has done bad things but is judged harsher than others would be on the same position, the other is honorable to a fault despite keeping dishonorable secrets to the grave.

[@Spright91]

You can see Jamie is trying to come to terms with Ned here.

[@xxlCortez]

Mocking Ned's new role is not exactly the best way to do that.

[@Ares-hi2hw]

I liked it when Jamie didn't take Ned as a prisoner when one of his soldiers injured Ned, at that time he was like, see I have honor too... 😂

[@hitrapperandartistdababy]

I bet not even Jaime knew that deep down he wanted Ned’s approval. That part of him was still buried beneath the veil of ‘not caring’

[@lordalessan]

These two will never know that they sacrificed their honor for family.

[@infofreaks527]

Guys Jamie pushed his kid out of a tower chill. People dont understans how good of a writer George RR martin is. Jamie was always arrogant, he admired people like Arthur Dayne, Selmy, even Ned Stark. Jamie threw Bran off , something people like Ned, Jon would never do, people who truly has honor. We need to accept that Jamie is not Ned Stark. He was excausted with his hand cut off, thats why maybe he told Brienne everything. Jamie does care when people call him Kingslayer, he truly loves cercei and tyrion. His love for cercei is like truly unconditional.

[@didncozosksma4466]

Give Ned this, he knew he was surrounded by enemies, just couldn’t figure out which ones.

[@JustSomeCanadianGuy]

1:16 - I love this scene but it's kinda silly describing a room as silent as a crypt where there was lots of noise! 🤣

[@Rahim.ali80]

When you think about it Jaime was in a lose lose situation when Tywin breached the gates, kill & fight against your own father & basically your own House soldiers or kill the King. Tywin made a highly intelligent war move with how he watched everyone move then made his killing the remaining Royal family take the side of the new King then offer marriage to his daughter to keep the realm at peace but he also helped destroy his son namesake by making those moves which hurt his House. Props to Doran Martell he really played the long game rip Jaime hand & rip to Tywin bowels

[@Gvaz]

Nice, this didn't even happen in the book but it's interesting

[@zeed4267]

Ned was being super hostile while Jamie seems to be looking for his approval and friendship but got rejected by old dumb ned

[@rahuldey2780]

Guys, jaime doesnt want lord stark's approval, he's just being sarcastic

[@Papaty25]

He does want Ned's approval. You'll find out later in the show.

[@brendaoakman4691]

Yet Jamie pushed his son out of a window to hide a secret. Jamie is only honorable when it's beneficial. Neds po is you want credit after the fact. If really wanted to avenge his father and brother he would have done it then and not when the battle was already won

[@NomadUrpagi]

Goddamn it it's been 12 years already... time is just slipping by ⏳️ 😢

[@Ar1AnX1x]

a lot of people completely misunderstand this scene, they think this was a win for Ned because he left Jaime hanging but Jaime here was right

[@monkeycat48]

🥹🥹🥹Well, Jaime, pushing his son off the tower will definitely make him out as a ruler of six kingdoms. Along with the title of broken and not to mention wow this throne won’t be there will make it absolutely wheelchair accessible🤣🤣🤣

[@logand3957]

Crazy to think how different GOT could have gone if Ned only acknowledged what Jamie had done and that it was the right thing. But the shut down fed Jamie’s hatred of the Starks

[@tmrevenge]

He pushed bran

[@johnvannewhouse]

HOLY SHIT IS THIS A PHENOMENAL SCENE!!!!

[@sillesrepa8249]

ned complaining about jamie not doing anything, proceeds to complain about jamie doing a thing.

[@boblob3509]

“If i stabbed him in the belly” 😂

[@Jose-ru2wf]

lawful neutral vs chaotic neutral

[@justincase7848]

This is a perfect example of how parents can teach their children something good in theory but unrealistic in practice. Tywin taught his children not to concern themselves with what other people think. To a certain extent that's good but at a certain point it's not realistic. If you want to live with other people and have friends and respect, you have to explain yourself. Nobody stopped Jaime from simply explaining his actions. The only thing that stopped him was his father's teaching. If Jaime had simply explained why he killed the king, he never would have had to be bitter.

[@anandajith6772]

Ned,black fish,lord tarley Literally everyone jaime looked up to disapproved and roasted him..

[@subutaynoyan5372]

Jaime never looked up to Eddard, nor Lord Tarly, Blackfish he admired. The man was above Ned in prowess to begin with. Jaime's peers and heroes were Gerold Hightower, Arthur Dayne and Oswald Whent. All of them welcomed him as brothers. Jaime's woe is that his dream became a curse and his dreams of honor shattered by reality

[@sfbenji]

"By what right does the wolf judge the lion"

[@nickcara97]

Jamie’s true problem is that he’s always been too insecure for his own good. Beneath his armored veil of sarcasm and overconfidence, he is actually scorned and bitter that other people will not accept him for the greatest act he ever performed in his life. His vanity with his reputation is his undoing. Ned on the other hand is indeed being excessively judgmental here. Sure, he has plenty reason to dislike and distrust Jaimie in general, but in this rare private occurrence, Jaimie was actually being genuinely sympathetic for his family’s tragedy. The respectable thing to do would’ve been to at least acknowledge that sentiment for what it is and perhaps show some appreciation for the unavoidability of how it all turned out. Blaming Jaimie for allowing them them to die and then also for not faithfully serving the man who killed them is as hypocritical as it is unfair. One does not make unnecessary enemies off of petty principle, especially when in a place where one has precious few friends. But I suppose the point is just that no one likes the lannisters, and Jaimie’s brooding half hearted attempts to be seen as different, aren’t enough to sway anyone’s stubborn pre established perceptions.

[@robarmstrong5404]

The idea that Jamie is being genuinely sympathic I can't agree with. The description of his brother and father screaming was an attempt to press a pressure point. That's the opposite of sympathy.

[@Robson7788]

Damm Ned could just be cool at Jaime here and they would probably be friends

[@aesaphyr]

Oh, Jaime. It would work much better if you told him simply, "Ned. You, me, bedroom tonight. I won't tell Cersei." *nods sagely*

[@m.k7966]

Jaime always tries to pick some random fights with ned and it always backfires

[@aliemadeldamiry]

great dialogue

[@exigne]

This is so intense!

[@firerises86]

Ned with the reverse UNO card

[@emeraldtaco]

@floooooooooooooooood Jaime's more renowned because he fights often in tourneys. Eddard fights only to kill in battle, so few would know the extent of his skills. Who's to say one of his skills wouldn't best Jaime?

[@Kingedwardiii2003]

1:08 and that’s why it’s hard for me not to get pissed at Ned. “You should’ve killed the king when it benefited MY family not yours.

[@TheYoungMuTe]

This flies over peoples heads for some reason. I dont blame jaime but neds not gonna suck his dick for killing the mad king

[@31TeV]

1:03 is interesting because it highlights Ned's hypocrisy. He implies that Jaime could/should have saved Rickard and Brandon Stark if he really meant that about no one deserving to die like that. Yet all this time, Ned has resented and condemned Jaime for betraying the same king who committed those atrocities.

[@TyTimeIsAwesome]

Because he doesn't believe Jaime did it to save people. He only betrayed the King when it was convenient for him or when serving was no longe safe. Had Jaime really mean that he did it for justice, he would've stabbed the Mad King way before he threatened to burn the city.

[@mikyto7313]

@@TyTimeIsAwesome Jaime did it when it was safe for him to do so. Same way Ned did not rebel against Joffrey and instead affirmed him as King because it was not safe to do so (due to Arya and Sansa being in the city). If Ned stood for justice the way he expected a teenage Jaime to do, he would have let his daughters die, did his best to escape, and then mount a rebellion against Joffrey.

[@TyTimeIsAwesome]

@@mikyto7313 What??? Ned immediately rebeled against Joffrey. He refused to recognized Joffrey as King. That was actually his undoing since Cersei had already planned his death behind his back with the others. Unless I'm forgetting something elese, I'm confused by your comment.

[@danielmanning3449]

We should have gotten an episode explaining this like events during Robert’s rebellion, the tower of joy and the part where the mad king kills Ned’s dad and Jamie stabs the mad king. I’m disappointed we didn’t get it, but if she did, we should have got it before finding out Jon was a Targaryen

[@InitialPC]

we see jaime kill the mad king in a flashback

[@lou.8155]

"you served him well, when serving was safe" ... says it all really, main reason why jamie killed the mad king is the rebellion was getting stronger and he knew eventually he was gonna be overthrown

[@stevenchoza6391]

Actually, it was because Aerys was going to blow everyone up at that point. Jaime didn’t bother to tell anyone (including Ned), though, until he told Tyrion and, later, Brienne.

[@raptorxrise5386]

@@stevenchoza6391 Honestly thats just what jaime tells himself to feel better at night. If he truly cared about innocents or his honor he would have tried to stop tywin from sacking the city once aerys was dead or at least try to protect elia and her children. Instead he just sat on the iron throne while the city was pillaged by his father and elia raped and murdered by the mountain.

[@waaazo1221]

I'm pretty sure he was fantasizing about running Jaime through with his big ass claymore/great sword

[@TheFlyingVideo]

1:40 Ned thinking for a comeback

[@anonymousfx5254]

I'm curious what Ned would've said to Jon about him killing Daenerys. Ned was all about loyalty. No matter if ruler is tyrant or madman.

[@therankingworld7627]

I love how ned looks him up and down 1:43

[@chasemcnab7610]

I wonder if Ned would have sympathized more with Jaime had he known why Jaime killed the mad king. Would Ned set his honour aside for once and recognize Jaime’s sacrifice for the good of others? Or would he cling to his rigid understanding of honour and show himself to value being right more than being effective? The fact he never bothered to ask Jaime why he did it but just judged him a backstabbing opportunist says a lot I think.

[@notd0ll109]

Jamie openly complained to the court about what the Mad King did to the Starks. Not even Selmy had the honor to speak up on their behalf.

[@burundianfamily2982]

ned was really the baited wolf in the game of thrones universe. the lone wolf dies but the pact survives

[@vanikestewart8578]

I feel like in the books it’s clear Ned to disappoves of Jaime killing the Mad King because he break his oath. But in the show you can see there’s apart of Ned who is mad that he didn’t killed The Mad King. Ned had a reason to kill The Mad King, for brutally killing his brother and father, and sit by while his son kidnapped his sister. Then telling Jon Arryn who became a father to Ned to send Ned’s and Robert’s Heads to him. Robert’s Rebellion was as much if not more Ned’s War. And the Lannister beat him to Kings Landing. Jaime when his Daddy was near by killed the Mad King.

[@intelligenthuman3262]

Jaime was completely right in everything he said in this scene

[@SimonSheets]

I feel like Ned is being unreasonable in this scene

[@Jotari]

@snuau It is hard to assume such things but I also remember (its all coming back to me) that Ned said Arthur would of killed him if not for his companion who survived, the bog land guy, something Reed (well maybe not all of it is coming back). Anyway he said to Bran he owes his life to Reed which implies he couldn't defeat Dayne in battle. I do think Ned would be able to put up a fairly good fight against Jamie but I reckon Jamie would be the clear cut winner.

[@Jotari]

@snuau 20 years until the prequel then. I can wait this series is definitely something worth waiting for

[@mihaimax2180]

Ned : He burned my father and brother and you just stood there and watched ? Also Ned : You stabbed him in the back ?

[@MrSurrealKarma]

Exactly. He didn't do anything until it was totally safe to do so.

[@hk1371]

Yes... thats the point. He didnt do anything to save them.

[@AL_Neri2]

jaime was violated here so many times

[@aaronlee5073]

All he had to do was tell Ned Stark to have a look underground

[@EzekielDeLaCroix]

Just tell him that Aerys was going to blow up the city, holy shit, Jaime.