Game On!! Kubota BX vs John Deere 1025R! Round #7 of 8

Game On! The Kubota BX and John Deere 1025R comparison continues in a real world project. Tractor Time with Tim takes 3 tractors to our church to help big out the preschool playground in preparation for mulch. Tim compares the capabilities of the Kubota BX to the JD 1025R. Our friends Chris and Chuck operate the tractors and give their option.
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[@TractorTimewithTim]

Some comments mention that the box blade is much lighter than the backhoe. This Tufline box blade is listed at 509lb. ...with the dirt stuck in it, it would be very close to the ~600lb of the backhoe. Maybe a bit lighter, but not radically different.

[@finnoconnell7262]

You should test out the Kubota b-26

[@TractorTimewithTim]

@@finnoconnell7262 Looks like $3000 more than the 1025R for a B2601

[@geth6146]

You said you had difficulty getting the job done with the BX and blablabla, but the 1025R would not have done better with the box blade.... I saw one of these small JD (almost brand new) broken in half this week. Edit: I can send you pictures And btw the a b2601 is 1300$ more, not 3000$

[@finnoconnell7262]

@@TractorTimewithTim I would just look at the regular b26 tlb

[@TractorTimewithTim]

The quote I got was $19,000 for B2601 with mmm and loader. Deere dealers publicly advertise $16,200 here. ..often $15,800 or even $15,500 for a 1025r, loader and 60d mmm believe me, many folks have sent the pictures...no need. You are welcome to choose the bx if you wish...I don't care. I'm just showing the comparison, as many folks are unable to translate the numbers on the spec sheets to the actual differences in the real world. Therefore, many BX buyers are disappointed.

[@markwalter3678]

I recently watched all 7 of your 1025R vs BX comparison videos. Thank you so much!! I appreciate your focus on objective, factual comparison. Although I ended up going with the BX23, not once did I sense you had a bias toward JD. All of your meticulous and time consuming work is very much appreciated.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

We actually had 11 episodes (including followups). Thank you for the kind words.

[@StumpkillerCP]

I also enjoyed all the series . . . but arrived late and after I had purchased a 1025R. But that was mostly because the dealer is in our hometown (of 2,200 folks) and I like to start with local businesses. I’m sure I’d be rocking a Kubota if the situation was reversed.

[@melonseedskiff1522]

I would love to have any of these tractors! If you bash orange over green, or green over orange, just grab a shovel and a pick and work a bit. You will see that either tractor would be an excellent upgrade and the differences are relatively moot compared to hand tools. I really appreciate this series, thank you!

[@googlreviews7813]

Well said! Just remember... All these comparisons are to try to determine which is better... JD or BX and not which is the best subcompact tractor haha. My buddy bought BX and I bought GC1725M and after trying both I am happy with my choice and he did say if he was buying it again he'd likely buy GC1725. He said thing he hates the most is that his BX rocks when handling loads with the bucket.

[@greatlakespowerstrokefx4]

I think the biggest thing this shows is the limited application for those sub compacts. Best suited for moving a small amount of loose material snd doing yard chores. They dont have the weight or the break out force to dig. There are tangible differences between the two here in quality and design. Personally i wouldnt buy a jd with their front axle design and steering set up and they have a habit of making hydraulic lines the second lowest part of the tractor, behind the steering linkage. But you are right. The worst sub compact tractor is better than doing it by hand, if you arent the one paying for it. These reviews are designed to help the ones paying for it to get the most for their money spent. It really depends on what you expect out of the machine, these subcompacts are really perfect for someone doing minor yard work on a sub 5 acre “homested”. Like moving cut wood and transporting hay or feed or other tool to a job area. I just used my b2630 to move my generator to the front of the house, we had a huge storm and we didnt have power for about 48 hours. Way over kill for that job but man was i thankful to throw the gen set, extension cord, propane canister and my camp stove in the bucket, and drive those things to where i was using them. Plus it was handy with clean up afterward. Cant beat a good tractor but i would highly recommend the “compact” as opposed to sub compact. They are closer to a lawn tractor with a bucket than a tractor with a bucket. As seen in this comparison. I would choose that bigger john deere to the small kubota bx despite my appreciation of kubota tractors. I would not go small and i highly recommend those reading this stay around the 24-26 hp area if you plan on doing any kind of ground work or towing/ hauling of any kind.

[@rodbagley1686]

@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 I have been looking at the steering linkage in front and in back of the axel. Seems like it would be better to bend that long bar on the J D then to trash all the hydraulic cylinders on the front of the others. I could be wrong, I have no experience just an observation.

[@greatlakespowerstrokefx4]

@@rodbagley1686 its all protected. The likelihood of hitting something when the two front tires are going to drive over the obstruction is low. Iv had mine since 06 and iv never hurt it. Also, coming up to an obstacle and bumping it is lower impact than dropping down on an obstacle at the rear. Thats why pickups have linkages on the front. Also the kabota is above the axles lowest point. The jd hangs down

[@rodbagley1686]

@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 looking at the 1025R. I only have a small wooded lot. Kind of thought the same thing bigger is better but not enough room to get through my woods. 8 months out on BX with a backhoe. Jd 1025R Oct15 th. Or so they say. Stumps some dirt and plowing snow.

[@acderath]

So I posted this comment on the last video, but it was a bit late so might have gotten missed by many viewers. I thought it was an important additional point to keep in mind however so I'm going to put it here as well. I am a strong orange fan at the moment. But I'll throw out this piece of advice as it is relevant to my purchase. Aside from the machines another key factor is the dealer. Prior to buying my BX23s I had a Deere lawn tractor. Due to a (in my opinion) really bad experience I vowed never to give the JD dealer another dime of my money(I'd elaborate if anyone was interested). Unfortunately in my area they are a very large dealer with locations all around me, so I would have had to travel quite a bit to find the next closest JD dealer. At the same time, the second closest Kubota dealer to me is Messicks. And honestly I learned so much from all of their videos they earned my business. Since you will have one of these machines for generally a very long time, having a dealer you trust is important, regardless of the color machine you buy.

[@truckinchihuahuaalvieschre2494]

You have a very valid point and I have the exact same issue in Northern Missouri. My JD dealer has 13 locations and I have been to 2 of them for warrentee work on my 2015 1025R and... Well to put it plainly... They suck! But in my case there is only 2 Kabota dealers in within 75 miles from me and they are as bad or worse. 1 time on an old Mitsubishi tractor I got I was asking them where I could get a water pump for it all I got back from the parts guy and the owner was quote "we don't work on that foreign crap". The other said they could get parts and work on a 2 cylinder diesel Kubota generator engine which was the same engine on an irrigation pump. After 2 months they divided to say that is not an Ag engine here is your engine back. I had to put it back together myself minor rusty parts and all. So not going Kabota ever. Besides I personally like the 1025 better over all over the BX. Again that's my opinion. And I have to go 80 miles to a good John Deere dealer. I think my local JD dealer would treat me better if I had bought a new combine from them or something like that. But they act like a subcompact tractor is a waste of time for them.

[@markgosser9578]

I have to agree with the dealers having owned a BX 23 and now having a 1025r. I traded the Kubota for the JD. I don’t like the JD dealer but liked my Kubota dealer, due to this I do my own service. I can say one thing though I liked my Kubota but I love my John Deere and would never go back to the Kubota.

[@michaelbrewer1474]

I am still torn between the BX 2680 and the 1025r!! However I did find a 1026r with 350 hours on it!!!

[@gerardkingery6765]

Tim I understand your frustration with the kubota, but please dont take this wrong. when you were digging sometimes less is more. In this case meaning with the BX its easier to fill the bucket if you skim across the top of the soil and fill as you go instead of trying to dig a full bucket at once. Without a tooth bar I find this is the best aproach to filling. Just a suggestion from a BX owner who has tried a lot of different approaches to digging and moving dirt. Gerry

[@OKCorgiRanch]

After watching this I checked the bolts on my 2038R loader mount. Found one with the nut missing, bolt still in place. It's only got 40 hours on it, too. Thanks for pointing that out, Tim, and thanks for the reminder that I should be checking this sort of stuff on a regular basis.

[@BigGary79]

This is one of the few times I've watched a compact tractor work and felt it was too small for the job. 99% of the time, I'm impressed with what they can do. Still, at the end of the day, it'll get the job done.

[@acderath]

I dont care who wins. Looks like a fun day

[@jgk9820]

I know this is not a favorable view, but I truly believe the Kubota B2601 is a much more direct comparison to the 1025R. Dimensions, weight, engine...seems like a much better comparison. And I don’t care that the BX and 1025R are both termed “sub-compacts”. Arbitrary term identifying different products by different manufacturers.

[@JustinHEMI05]

This video, and my personal experience with my 2038R, helps solidify what a tremendous machine the large frame 2 series are.

[@bryceflickinger1641]

Tim I am curious. Would it have been more useful to loosen the dirt up with a tiller first? More for the smaller sub compacts, but to make it easier on the digging part of it.

[@tomkeating65]

I got to ask, why did you guys have the loaders up so high while traveling? I also noticed that you guys didn't always run at a higher rpm. 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@bradmullins229]

Tim, thanks for clarifying. I do love my L6060. Right now shopping for pallet forks and optional grapple. This setup would be better suited for my property. Keep up the great work -Brad

[@StumpkillerCP]

One of the first additions I made to my 1025R was a 2"w x 3" long pad to slip over the differential lock stub. I was used to a Ford 640 that had dual break pedals to lock a spinning wheel without looking and the little JD rod didn't appeal to me. My box blade is 4ft and that is appropriate for the tractor. Also have a Heavy Hitch toothbar because my scooping invariably involves roots and rocks and not sod. Helps lift logs, as well. Thank you for the discount code. ;-)

[@Gruuvin1]

A few days ago, I was thinking I need a 2038R. Expensive machine with a backhoe! I finally was a bit happier to see the 1025R do so much work, and for $10k less. Now, Im back to thinking I better get the 2038R, or I'm gonna regret it. It's so difficult to decide correctly on a first purchase.

[@danbastin3984]

Just my two cents here but I don't think the kabota is in good working condition, I have a bx2380 and watching you working with the bucket it seems sluggish, my loader is very snappy. ?

[@jasonantes9500]

Yeah, my BX2380 moves a lot better than the one shown here. I've picked up enough dirt in the bucket (48") that the backend lifted off the ground even with the box blade back there. I am not experienced with dirt moving as this is my first tractor and first dirt moving I've done with anything more than a shovel but I was moving along better than what they are showing here. The thing I came away with from this video, however, was that I really need a tooth bar. I've been thinking about one and this just cements it for me. The shots they show with the JD1025 are certainly not the same they were putting the Kubota through and the parts that were close looked very similar in ability to me. The Chuck guys opinion at the end was all it was and wasn't worth much. Really shouldn't have been left in the video. In the end, I still learned a bit from watching what they were doing and talking about so I'll still give the video a like.

[@slowcheetah24]

Last year I was shopping between the Kubota BX and the JD and ended up with the Kubota for a few reasons, but mostly the Kubota is designed a lot better. The JD didn't seem built as well as the Kubota. The JD had a plastic hood, cheap instrument gauges, bucket and loader attachment etc. The JD needs a skid steer quick bucket attachment. Anyone who is switching between bucket, pallet forks, etc. frequently will appreciate the skid steer attachment.Look at all equipment on a job site, it's all skid steer quick attachment for a reason. Much better design.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Check out this episode for my response to the ssqa comment. Skid Steer Quick Attach SSQA vs. John Deere Quick Attach JDQA for (sub)compact Tractors! MythBusters kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIWTg2h3YpWed9U Look at the frame thickness, loader boom thickness, etc. I go through all of this in earlier comparison episodes. I would encourage you to watch the entire series.

[@bigg5830]

kubota is built cheap ik deere has a plastic hood bit other than that built waaay stronger then Kubota and the ssqa adds about 100 lbs { at least it used to} when the deere quick attach is only about 40lbs

[@Tom-ej8bb]

Another Great service to all. Thanks!

[@HamiltonvilleFarm]

Good video. I am enjoying this series for sure👍

[@northlandacres]

Another good video guys! I just like watching tractor videos in general. I don't have one yet, but hopefully in the next few years I will, 1025r is my choice. People get too butt hurt over JD vs Kubota comparison. If a Kubota works for all your needs then its the right machine for you. Same can be said for the JD. "Better" is always in the eye of the beholder. Either way I loves me some tractor videos!!!!

[@ronniejohnson317]

Y’all playing my song. Serving God and on a tractor too!

[@jimg8218]

Honest comparison, good narrating Chrissy : )

[@sycamorefarms5612]

The best way I have found to dig with my 1025 is with the tiller. Make a pass with tiller then turn around and dig loose soil out with loader. I think I have seen you use this approach before but it works well

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Yep!

[@Santabigred]

Thanks Tim just bought a John Deere myself and wouldn’t of done it without your videos! In this video my pap always said you work the tractor don’t let the tractor work you and that BX was working you 😢 John Deere is the way to go for sure

[@curtwhite876]

Thrilled to hear Tim admit there might be times a box blade makes sense...

[@lonecrusaider]

See this is the comparison you want to see. All the features in the world cannot replace work done, and the Deere is gettin it done.

[@supporterofsanity]

Looks to me like you both struggled with the bucket levels of the Kubota. You were very good on Johnny. Chuck struggled a lot with bucket leveling on all the machines.

[@claytonbrown3559]

Hey Tim love the video's, I have a 1025R and your right it digs way better then others I have tried. A little tip to make it easier to dig is to use the rototiller first to break up the compacted ground and it provides a smoother base for your bucket to ride on. Cheers

[@suburbantractor9125]

Funny to hear the farmer refer to the little tractors as toys. My “toy” has changed my life, and my property for the better. Can’t imagine being without my 1025.

[@michaelkrenzer3296]

It is all about perspective. My pro welder that put in my cage on my race car joked about my 110v MIG welder. He hit the duty cycle 4 times in an afternoon. Now what, cage still got welded and he did an amazing job.

[@geoff6651]

Another good comparison. I'm not trying to defend the BX because it does have it's downfalls but I have noticed when using my BX23s with the backhoe attached the tractor has much more grip and the loader becomes more effective when trying to dig and move dirt. More weight in the backhoe than the box blade so the rear wheel get an extra bite. Also the ride is smoother and it doesn't bounce around as much

[@TractorTimewithTim]

This Tufline box blade is listed at 509lb. ...with the dirt stuck in it, it would be very close to the ~600lb of the backhoe. Maybe a bit lighter, but not radically different.

[@dd_ranchtexas4501]

Tractor Time with Tim: But the dirt in it isn't putting weight on the tractor is it? The dirt resists the forward movement, but the weight of the dirt is on the ground, not on the tractor. At least with my box blade that's how it works.......

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I was speaking of the loader work. The dirt stuck in the blade would help for ballast during the loader work. It would NOT help for box blade work. Since I didn’t try the box blade on the 1025r, I was not attempting to make any comparisons about the performance using the blade. I suspect this was not clear.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

This box blade is 509 lbs. much heavier than most.

[@geoff6651]

Fair point. That is a heavy box blade, a lot heavier than mine. I also noticed that you where lifting the front wheels before taking a bite of dirt, everyone was doing that in the video but you weren’t when you were on 1025.

[@hougie21]

Tm, i have to say you're doing a great job on this channel. I've just read peoples comments for the first time even though I'm a long time follower and can't believe how so many that have kubotas and probably never touched a deere and vise versa almost attack you.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Thanks for the encouraging words!

[@alphonsotate2982]

He should have ripped the ground with the scarifers on the box blade then turn around and use the loader THE BX CAN DIG LIKE A MOLE WITH A GOOD OPPERATOR

[@Definitelynotyou90]

Alphonso Tate so you are saying tim is a bad operator on the kubota he even said he is not the best in my opinion this shows how much easier the John Deere is to operate

[@arnoldromppai5395]

the bx wouldn't have the power or traction to pull the rippers though that ground, sand yes it would, a side from that none of these units are ment for what he is trying to do, i am sure it was a whole day if not more fooling with this with all the toys, and totaly the wrong eqipment for the job at hand..

[@Gwalker0220]

That's right and the John deeres most likely needed repairs by the end of the day... kubota you can do the same job twenty years later on the same tractor!

[@andytaylor2321]

None of these tractors are meant for excavating. It’s such a joke watching these videos I do it for a good laugh actually. If you want to excavate then get yourself a proper excavator on tracks if you want to dig get yourself a skid steer on track forget these compact tractors they’re good around a 2 acre property doing odd chores but don’t try to do a real man’s job with little toys and quit comparing them it’s so stupid especially coming from people who have no clue how to really operate them

[@37south47]

Alphonso Tate Yep!!! I was thinking the same! Once you gets going with a box blade you can pull and move some serious dirt. Actually box blades on each machine should have move the majority of the dirt

[@wsmcmc3864]

Running a John Deere 2320, comparable to the current 2025. Equipped with turf tires, 60" WR Long front bucket & tooth bar. Rear tires are loaded, ballast box on rear quick hitch approximately 600#. For doing the work as you are doing here I also put 4 of the 42# weights on the front of the the tractor. I found the additional weight on the front gives me more finesse with digging fresh ground. I can go into the ground at a much gentler angle and the weight assists the front tires get the traction that they normally don't get till the loader bucket has started to fill.

[@myjeepzia]

Always intresting thanks Tim .

[@eosjoe565]

I've had my JD tractor for 7 years and I still sometimes tap the reverse pedal by accident when I intended to go forward. Fortunately, so far it has not resulted in anything bad happening.

[@troyvankinder9249]

I have done the same thing. Need to be careful with side by side pedals they can be dangerous.

[@mobleyMobley]

Wow, that sounds so dangerous.

[@daddio7249]

@@mobleyMobley If you are working close to something idle the engine down and be deliberate when you want to move. I always give a small tap first, these tractors do not go fast in low range so if you are on the wrong pedal you just switch. If you are in high rage it means you are in the clear and ready to go fast but again start slow and if you are going the wrong way just switch. I found out when I borrowed my neighbors one day to spread 20 tons of lime-rock that using a Kubota's treadle is very tiring for an old person. Of course this old person has tens of thousands of hours on all sorts of equipment, I adapt quickly. My 1023E is a toy compared to the construction and Ag equipment I have operated.

[@Gatnor]

I agree with you two on the tooth bar...My 1025r loader felt useless until i got the bar..

[@NukePooch1]

Great video! I was SHOCKED at the results...not between the BX and 1025, but between the 1025 and 2038. I never would have thought there would have been that much of a difference in capability between them.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

There is a signifcant difference. Of course, the toothbar is a major difference too! I know you guys are probably tired of hearing me rave about the Heavy Hitch toothbar...but this thing is magic. Like Katriel says "Tractor Steroids"!

[@paullambert2668]

There's a similar jump on the Kubota side up to the B2601 or B2650 (I think they kind of straddle the JD 2 series). Realistically I think the BX is the smallest, the JD 1 series a bit bigger, the B2x01 a big bigger again, then the JD2, then the B2650. If you want the smallest real tractor you can get, the BX is it. If you need more capability than what the BX offers, you could look at the JD1, or you could look at a B2x01. Yes, the BX and the 1 are both sub-compacts, but as Tim is pointing out, that doesn't mean they're exactly equal. It also depends a lot on deals that are around and your local dealer - sometimes the B2301 is similar price to a JD1, sometimes it's not. I think at the moment the B2301 has a substantial discount on it.

[@flick22601]

Had a similar problem with the teeth on my box blade. Took my bandsaw and angle grinder and cut additional notches in them so I could get the depth I wanted. Sure seems that it would have been so much easier if they just did it at the factory.

[@joebob7344]

This is a great video. Thank you for the comparison. It has really helped me to see that bigger is definitely better. I have been struggling with what machine to purchase.Now I know to not get either of the two smaller machines in the video.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Yea, unless you have space constraints, the 20238R is a better choice.

[@jasonmong2428]

Looks like a good time. I would like to see someone that has only run a Kubota get on the deere to voice their opinions on the differences.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I would like to see that as well.

[@MessicksEquip]

I've done that 👍😉

[@Shane_O.5158]

ok, i'll voice my opinion, the john deere dealer was rude, at the time JD didn't have a bobcat - style FEL to bucket connector, the green paint cost $3000 extra, the other staff were too buisey keeping thair seats warm to talk to a customer.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Shane....very good reasons for avoiding a particular brand!!!

[@jasonmong2428]

@@MessicksEquip you've done a good job with the control and feature differences but i would like to hear the difference on the job like in the video that TTWT has here my guess will be that the kubota operator will have just the opposite response that tim has but i could be wrong.

[@billfenner7084]

Also on the box scraper. You have to play around with the teeth. There should be adjustment holes in the teeth.

[@coypatton3160]

Bill Fenner the adjustment holes vary by brand and size in my experience. Mine has 3 adjustment holes. You can make some depth adjustments with the too link also.

[@BigbearSM-IL]

Nice demo of box blade. Hard to work with the rough grading, but shines with the light or finish grading. As for bringing in a big machine, yeah, that would make it go quicker, but less seat time. If time is not an issue to you, use the tools you have. I tend to gravitate to a smaller unit when working for being more nimble, and easier to see what front bucket is doing.

[@eddlemanfamilyfarm1944]

I've pulled a Oliver 70 before in high range with my dad's Kubota BX 2380 all was slightly up hill the whole time almost a quarter mile

[@jaxturner7288]

Do you think the backhoe and proper tire pressure might of had an effect on traction compared to the box blade and uneven/flat tires?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Lower tire pressure makes for better traction.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

This Tufline box blade is listed at 509lb. ...with the dirt stuck in it, it would be very close to the ~600lb of the backhoe. Maybe a bit lighter, but not radically different.

[@jaxturner7288]

Tractor Time with Tim low enough to spin the wheel inside the tire?? ....Yeah sure ok that makes sense. Does it help the axle distribute the load evenly side to side to both tires as well?? Maybe when I plow this winter I should do it on flat tires then. ....

[@jaxturner7288]

Tractor Time with Tim sure except you set the majority of the box blades weight on the ground while in use n you carry the entire backhoe around, so not quite true.

[@veriest1]

Operating multiple pieces of equipment at the same time can result in some unique circumstances. I wish I'd gotten a picture but, last week, we were cleaning out for a new entry way and to haul the cactus and dirt away we ended up loading the 6110's massive bucket down with the 1025 to reduce the number of trips we had to take.

[@bvinduck]

I'm curious why didn't you use the backhoes the dig the dirt into a pile then use the loaders on all 3 tractors....then possible compare the time and amount of material each contributed. ?? As usual you guys did a great video! Thanks!

[@greatlakespowerstrokefx4]

This is where a mini excavator with a dozer blade would be king. Those are some small pieces of equipment for this job

[@publicEnima]

I lower the tooth on the box blade to loosing the dirt then use your front loader. I moved 10 yards road bed so my wife can have a larger garden that way.

[@BiffsEquipment]

Nice job Tim! If you wanna see some more of the bx in action watch my first official video

[@rccolacc]

On the box blade- it looks like you need more notches in the teeth for better adjustment. Mine has 3-4 notches in it for adjustment. Looks like the one on the Kubota only has 2. Maybe use a grinder on the teeth to add more adjustment for the depth?

[@helloeveryone906]

Awesome video, cannot go wrong with Any color tractors Vs hand shovel 😂😅

[@TractorTimewithTim]

You are exactly right! These little tractors make difficult home projects easy! Thanks for watching!

[@theraubsraubs8098]

When the sun dries the dirt a bit you will get much better traction, I noticed the tires were loading up on the Kubota. I just leveled a large place for a pole barn with a little b7100hst, I was able to dig clay without a problem. It all depends on the soil conditions with little tractors.

[@ranger6x660]

Great video guy's! Would the dozer blade on your excavator have worked any better peeling back the dirt into a pile?

[@truckinchihuahuaalvieschre2494]

The bucket designs is some of the problem on the Kabota. The Deere has a more rounded inside. That makes the dirt roll to fill the bucket. The Kabota is not as rounded so it has a tendency to push the dirt more.

[@powderriver2424]

Alvie Schreckhise that was a good observation I just started to notice that went back to watch.

[@ironheadbiker]

The green bias is showing here, a bit. The video still you use for the comparison with your hand up in frustration, or so it seems, is where you're frustrated you can't get a full bucket, eventhough your bucket is full. I do however agree that the Deere bucket is deeper, and looks more digging friendly. You drive the Deere like you've owned one for many years, haha (your comfort zone) . You look like a 1st day rookie on the kubota, very rough and jerky controls. The box blade is just too big for the machine, weight of tractor is everything, as well as speed control, and depth settings. Dirt in the bucket would help in traction, but still, wrong size attachment for the tractor size. I am not a fan of this sized tractor, they can get the job done, eventually, but they always seem to be struggling and pushed beyond the edge of safety, (not here on this project). They are similar machines, but so different. If I had to pick between these 2, and these 2 only, I'd probably go 1025r, because it simply looks bigger. I just feel a mid point pto is not worth the expense and loss of ground height for the gain of a mower deck that costs more than a good zero turn, and a front snow blower that requires a whole new mount system and low ground clearance. I think John deere has really upped their game with the new 2000 series, and am sure it would dominate it's own 3025e model which is terribly inept in it's class. In conclusion, (since this feels like a thesis lol), I think there are some really good models of each manufacturer, and some that seem they just throw a product out there on others, and we as consumers and enthusiasts test and push their products, and thanks to social media can Express our likes and dislikes publicly. Like I said on an earlier comment, I left home to buy a 3025e, and came home with a L2501, and it was because the L2501 is superior to the 3025e in features and build, and mostly the dealer was the friendlier more willing to work with type. Full disclosure, I also look "too big for his tractor" sitting on a 1025r or bx at 6'5 310lbs. Lol. I fit my 3 series better. Right operator size for right tractor. Just like an implement. (And yes, my size 16 boots fit my treadle pedal)

[@glenbreaks5448]

I thought they did pretty well to manage this job overall. I have two older JD ag tractor loaders and they are great for anything above ground, pick up dumped gravel, soil, manure etc. The smaller machine is a 2440 2wd with 16' JD backhoe attachment ( makes it a poor man's 4wd:) the bigger tractor is a 2755 ( similar to the 6300)4wdwith self levelling 245 loader. When it gets into this kind of digging I park them and use an ancient JD350b Crawler 4in 1loader that has done11,500 hour. It's just so much faster and easier for the operator. But you did a great job with the equipment on hand and had fun doing it. My thought is that the extra weight of a backhoe attachment would have helped the Kubota, but not enough to be on par with the 1025r.

[@pjs5191]

Looks like a compact track loader would have been the ticket on this project.

[@jonathanhudson9189]

Yes very true if they ever get one they will quit playing with those toy tractors

[@carrollthim8460]

nice work with the tractor god bless&all

[@stevenpackard1463]

the (jd)looks to be a much better digging machine than the bx. i have a piranh ,tooth bar and straight bar for my bx , both work very well. the tooth bar helps tremendously with the digging . and the straight bad i use for snow . both work great and hold up well

[@tomagar6451]

Trying to use the BX to dig with the front bucket is ludacris with the INDUSTRIAL TIRES instead of bar tires like the other units were using. The weight differences were not comparable. I own a BX 1880, the smallest that Kubota makes turf tires and it does anything I need it to do.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Tom, the tires on the two subcompacts are identical. Even the same brand. The weight is essentially identical, with the 509 lb box blade being a bit further back than the backhoe. No worries to me that your BX is serving you fine. However, you did not evaluate this video correctly.

[@Budd56]

11:06. Maybe, but still better than a shovel 🤔🤔😊😊😊

[@powderriver2424]

The Kubota was struggling that’s a fact, however that isn’t its fault as much as the difficulty of the job. The Kubota has its place and for a homeowner and small contractor it’s suitable, but not for tough clearing jobs. One observation for me is that tractors have many uses and capabilities this type of job really needed a compact bulldozer the ability to trench and push, and the tractor to clean up. The job was getting done though.

[@alphonsotate2982]

A SKID STEER LOADER NEW HOLLAND L455 30 HP CAN OUT DIG ALL THOES TRACTORS

[@peteordonez4070]

I think the issue with the 1025R traction was better because of the weight of the backhoe...

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Box blade is 509 lbs. ...and had dirt stuck in the corners, so for loader work, would be essentially the same weight...and perhaps further back from axle than backhoe.

[@jonathanhudson9189]

I would of used the case excavator to dig a move the lose dirt with the loaders. Excavator used to dig tractors are not to made to dig.

[@JoeMalovich]

use the backhoe to dig/ pile dirt, use the small tractors to transport the dirt.

[@jasone9]

Tim, I think more than the weight of the backhoe making a difference over the box blade it's the fact that the backhoe weight extends further out the rear of the tractor than the box blade which puts more of the weight onto the rear axle. The thing for everyone to remember is this wasnt a video on how to accomplish this task the fastest, rather it was to compare the abilities of the two tractors doing the same task. Obviously there would be better machines for completing a job like this, but here in the real world most of us just make do with the machine we own to get a wide variety of jobs done.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I submit that the box blade is FURTHER back than the backhoe from a weight standpoint. You are correct. We knew we didn't have the exact right equipment. ...but we got it done!

[@jasone9]

@@TractorTimewithTim Yep you sure did and did it well. It's not easy to have 3 pieces of equipment working that close together when the operators dont have any way to communicate other than hand gestures.

[@Chris-jh3tg]

Love moving dirt. Thanks Tim, great video.

[@ronniejohnson317]

When we are moving dirt, as you were, we started with a disc or tiller, to cut and loosen it up a bit.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

...and you’ve likely seen me do that as well.

[@peterkober6758]

Tim Christi & friends thanks for the review and comparing the green and orange God Bless All PaK

[@rydplrs71]

Tim another helpful video. 👍 One comment on traction, doe the kubota have rim guard? The back hoe alone is a big ballast advantage over the box blade. Tires being filled vs not would compound that.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Both have Rimguard.

[@rydplrs71]

Tractor Time is there anyplace near you that would let you scale them? Maybe trooper hover could misplace a portable set for a few minutes. 😂 even a full vehicle scale could be used one axle at a time to compare balance.

[@alphonsotate2982]

MY EQUIPMENT HAS FOAM FILLED TIRES

[@rydplrs71]

Alphonso Tate I have one with rim guard, one with wiper fluid, one with rv antifreeze. The only rimguard dealer by me is about $4 a gallon for rimguard. They also sell orange tractors. I don’t discriminate by color but the only reason #1 has beat juice is because it was in when I bought it. That same dealer took an engineering challenge when I bought my first new snowmobile and got such a win I’ve transferred the parts to every other snowmobile I bought, and a few I borrowed for a day. Handle bar extension, brake hose and fitting that put throttle and brake on the same side and installed in about 20 minutes. I’ve always wanted to try foam.

[@jamisoncurtis2387]

With the pile of dirt could set it up for some sledding in the winter.

[@joelemire1913]

Good vid, but loved listening to the farmer, more stories from him would be appreciated.

[@BiffsEquipment]

Nice job

[@TaylorBonnett]

Thanks fore doing the box vs Johnny for me

[@Scott-cu8nf]

Enjoyed the video, but my BX23d will run circles around the one you were using...even with turf tires. I will add to this comment. I have not operated a JD. Perhaps the loader controls are more user friendly and has less of a learning curve. I don't know. If I were to try a JD, I might would like it, but my next tractor will not be a subcompact and the JD 3e loader cant lift what I need to lift.

[@KevinCoop1]

Scott I believe it's because of operator experience.

[@hermzinn8740]

That is what I told Tim, I have a BX2360 and it will out work the BX Tim is using with no problem.

[@KevinCoop1]

Herm Zinn I have a 2360 as well. I commented worst front loader operating I've ever seen.

[@thomasyerbey337]

Hey Tim 🚜 I haven't seen this video I must have missed it looked great 🇺🇲💯🚜

[@sweetpigfarm3645]

Watching this makes me appreciate my skid steer :P DSL601

[@ML-lg4ky]

Sweet Pig Farm a tracked skid steer would have done this job much faster and probably neater.

[@genedameier8746]

Stuff that grows is Green. Stuff that cuts the stuff that grows should be Green. Orange is for the safety cones that surround the work area where the Green Machines are working. Orange provides safety and Green gets the job DONE. :-)

[@brentbrown8393]

Nice video Cheeseburger, I liked watching the machines at work, from here at home the John Deer looked more powerful and productive, thanks Tim. and company.

[@janner1596]

Couldn't you have tilled it first and then move the now loose soil? just a thought

[@TractorTimewithTim]

yes.

[@janner1596]

@@travelinthru9519 A tiller wouldn't break the soil up enough for the loader to remove it ??

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I’ve tilled a LOT of sod. It works fine. Would have been an excellent way to dig this out with a subcompact tractor...till, remove, till, remove, repeat.

[@janner1596]

@@TractorTimewithTim Hi Tim yes iv'e seen you till sod before which is why i mentioned it to be honest . love your video's keep her going mate ;-)

[@chrisspence3216]

I Disc it then box blade when I do this sorta work cuts time in half with my tractor JD 3320

[@pjs5191]

I’d sure love to come up from Evansville and give you a hand with a project like this with my 1025r.

[@jamesbeasley7242]

Still love the ventrack

[@tomgoldade3557]

I think using a rototiller with the loader helps to control the depths and makes removal of the dirt easier for a compact tractor. The definition of an expert X is the unknown in math and a spurt is a drip under pressure in plumbing

[@tyrrellroach5872]

Tim I have a 1025 r and run a 5 foot box blade behind it. It works the tractor a little but unless I have the rippers down it does fine. The biggest problem I have with my box blade is keeping traction whe that blade is filled to capacity

[@lcee6592]

The comments about the difference in rear weight between the box blade and the backhoe are valid. Even if both actually were the same weight, the majority of the weight of the backhoe is much farther behind the rear axle than the box blade. This gives a lot more leverage advantage to help rear axle bite. Great for loader work. The dirt in the box blade did not actually add weight to it. The dirt is only captured by the box but the weight of it is still on the ground. As well, once you lower the box to the ground you have given up the traction benefit of the weight and also are now adding the resistance of moving the dirt trapped in the box plus the drag of the box on the ground. I understand (obviously)that’s how a box blade works and it should have been attached to the 10 JD for a true comparison. However, the 10 series had none of those losses with a backhoe just hanging there. These operating “conditions”are certainly a factor in the comparison of the two tractors ability to work. Did the BX stall or something due to a lack of power? What range was it operated in by each operator? Just curious.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

low range. Good grief.

[@lcee6592]

Tractor Time with Tim I’m just on the outside looking in through as equal lenses as I can. Thank you.

[@biggunn770]

Bx tractors are basically wheel barrows with motors. The L series is when they start to really do work. Love my L3901.

[@floydferguson5366]

Great video!

[@zebmueller290]

I have not been impressed with the BX personally in these tests. You just can’t beat real world test.

[@hermzinn8740]

I have the same size BX and there must be something wrong with the one Tim is using. I commented on other videos about the FEL on the test BX not working the way it should. My BX will lift the rear wheels off the ground with a 6 foot rear blade on it when digging dirt. The rear tires spinning on the rim is taking a lot of power away. If the tires are not turning the tractor won't move. So maybe that is why you are not impressed with the test.

[@FishFind3000]

I’ve used one and it’s not that great. Backhoe is the only good thing it has

[@TractorTimewithTim]

@@hermzinn8740 We showed the ONE time we saw the rear wheel spin in the rim. ...in all of our filming, this was the only time we saw it.

[@rossf7167]

Not real world. The more “tests”, the more story comes out. Used Kubota, no owner’s manual review, bent loader stand (prior abuse?) under inflated tires. BX too light (hmm, box blade vs. back hoe weight). Yada yada

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Ross Fogle not sure I get your point. under-inflated tires (if they were) would INCREASE traction ...unless and until they slip on the rim which happened this once. This Tufline box blade is listed at 509lb. ...with the dirt stuck in it, it would be very close to the ~600lb of the backhoe. Maybe a bit lighter, but not radically different. Yada Yada. Buy whichever tractor you like. I don't care. I just don't see how I could be any more fair. Apparently we have hit a nerve.

[@chrismills4213]

Another awesome review...excellent comparison

[@risajajr]

Is the traction improvement you experience with Johnny at least in part due to the backhoe you have attached?

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Box blade is heavy duty. Essentially the same weight as backhoe…AND further back, so should be equivalent.

[@bradmullins229]

Tim, You had 5’ box blade on BX. No tooth bar on BX. Also the 1025 had backhoe hanging way off the rear with tooth bar. How is this fair test? I understand your bias against Kubota

[@TractorTimewithTim]

Brad, In my opinion, both of the points you mention are incorrect. The Box Blade on the BX is indeed a 5' blade, but it is a HEAVY one. 509lb according to the specs here: monroetufline.com/shop/landscape/lift-pull-type-box-scrapers/tb1-and-tb2-series-box-scrapers/ Most of that 509 lbs is well to the rear of the box. I do NOT believe the 1025r had a rear ballast advantage, as the backhoe is essentially the same weight, with the bulk of that weight closer to the tractor. Next, the 1025r did NOT have a toothbar on it. Not sure how closely you watched. The 2038r DID have a toothbar...obviously there is no comparison between 2038r and either of the sub-compacts. It might surprise you to hear me say that I do NOT have a bias against Kubota. In fact, I think some of their machines are pretty incredible machines. For example, the Grand L series has an AMAZING transmission. 3 speed plus 2 speed shift on the go hydrostatic drive. No one can compete with that! Having said that, I DO believe than the 1025r is a superior tractor to the BX. I wasn't sure of that until we got into this comparison. As the comparison went further, it became more obvious to us. So much so that we cut the comparison short. For example, we left out discussion of the Deere having a true oil cooler vs. the BX having only a vulnerable plastic fan under the floorboard. (read the forums...many folks have broken it). We also left out a comparison of the air filters. Dual element ...like big tractors...in the Deere vs. a small single element in the BX. Overall, I would be happy to use an L4060, or maybe even a B2650. ...but I'm not impressed by the BX. ...oh, and I could give you a list of the Deere tractors that I don't think compete well either. ...but we'll save that for later. Anyway, thanks for your comment.

[@bobpurs]

Fun to watch

[@mikehornsby599]

Great job enjoyed that!!!!

[@theraubsraubs8098]

If the tractors are of similar weight the BX should have the advantage with the smaller bucket. The longer front end loader on the BX would put more weight on the rear tires when lifting the front end. A sharp bucket blade can make a big difference too.

[@eosjoe565]

On that box blade, it looks like you just need to cut a couple extra notches in the scarifiers. Perhaps someone near you with a plasma cutter could make short work of it.

[@PEI_Guy]

I've been dreaming about getting a sub compact tractor for a long time and always leaned towards the orange one but the green ones are impressive. Lots to think about.

[@chrisdowing1775]

I've wanted one for about 13 years after using a friends. Last year I finally got my 1025r/260b. I love it.

[@suburbantractor9125]

Colin MacPhail if you are going to use a box blade, get a tractor with a position control on the three point. I think the larger Kubota tractors have that, but the Deere is the only sub compact that has that feature. I can’t see using a box blade without it. I had no idea about this when shopping, but one of Tim’s videos mentioned it, and I’m glad I saw that video!

[@wsmcmc3864]

Choose either brand. The only thing I can guarantee that will make you mad is not having made the investment earlier. I'd just suggest that you find a dealer who will allow you to operate multiple sizes. Also determine which attachments you want compared to some equipment you may just rent when you need. Example; backhoe, I didn't spend the $6k for that because as seldom as I would use it I can just rent one and let someone else operate my loader to move the dirt while I'm digging.

[@justinbraathen3077]

I was in the same boat! I initially got my JD 2032R with a snowblower a few hours before a massive snow storm delivering 18" of snow. The sticker price was hard to justify at the time, however 6-months later I have been able to so many projects around my property that I never dreamed possible. New lawn, grading along my long road, gravel walking paths, snow removal, rock retaining walls, etc... With all the attachments costs more than my car, but worth it and doesn't depreciate as much 😂

[@VeeDubJohn]

Justin Braathen my 1025 cost more than my car, but I always buy off lease cars:-). Where I live (Long Island) labor is VERY expensive. The tractor will literally pay for itself over 5 years. And, like you said, maintained well it should hold a lot of value, making this a no brainer for someone with a lot of projects.

[@PastorDavidFranklin]

Still nice to see these visual comparisons on how these machines perform. One can at least make a more informed decision when deciding to purchase any of these machines.

[@fender5247]

Great video I think the JD1025R won that round thank you for sharing

[@ajsturtz]

Is there a reason you weren’t using the diff lock when doing the loader work? Ive used both tractors and never had problems getting a full bucket with either tractor.

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I did use the diff lock.

[@JoeMalovich]

I wonder how vinnie would have done with the power bucket!

[@TractorTimewithTim]

I have the power bucket.

[@ronaldayers6661]

I would recommend a set of Galaxy 26x12x12 super trenchers for the rear of the Kubota BX. They aren't cheap but they are 8ply and a very aggressive full ag tire. It would then be a matter of does the bx have the power to turn them!? 😁 Looks like a lot of tire slip you got going on.. those industrial tires don't cut the mustard sometimes..