Game Theory: How To WIN A War (Assassin's Creed Odyssey)

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Assassin's Creed Odyssey is a game about choice. Are you going to fight for Athens or Sparta? Today Theorists, I am going to give you the information you NEED to help you make the RIGHT CHOICE. You want to WIN the war? Here's how!
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[@Sumguyinavan_]

And once we actually got the game, learned the mechanics, and played through the story at least once, we realized that the real option was to side with no one, work for both, and just be a war profiteer selling your services to the highest bidder at the time (meaning you got 2 pieces of trash gear instead of 1)

[@Frostyman452]

At least you can sell that trash, or dismantle it whatever floats your figurative boat.

[@suspicious241]

@@Frostyman452 or actual boat if you use those resources to upgrade the adrestia

[@Frostyman452]

Cole McMullin That too.

[@BigM1020]

I just go for the spartans in all battles. Because yeah, you're a misthios of course you aren't gonna enlist into a side, you choose who you fight for each battle. But I like to see as going for sparta all the time as perfering them more instead of athens.

[@nutellamonsta5602]

@@BigM1020 Well to kill all cultists you gotta fight for Athens too

[@TrickyTalon23]

How to win a war: Step 1: Ask Ezio Step 2: Make him target the entire army

[@medstudent468]

I would ask altiar for help

[@hebyyattack]

Luke McNamara yeppp

[@hebyyattack]

Creedy boiz

[@theotherkimmy6232]

Ask all of the asassins and then make them target the entire army.

[@joyjuneja7091]

Simply give them assasian contract

[@TheFuschiaDragonfly]

Sparta wins because their army wears red and Athens wears blue. If you remember the episode about colors, you know.

[@broseidon1658]

Blue is a nerds colour.

[@phillipthomas8157]

I like blue and I'm a nerd so your right!

[@sakshamsingh2209]

More like Sparta wears nothing *looks at movie 300*

[@petrimal]

SHUT UP!

[@skeletalgamer1013]

Why do ppl hate athenians when they invented democracy lol

[@decommissionedunitnanotech2265]

"This baby's flailing arms will do a fine job of holding a shield some day" *Drops the shield to the baby*

[@justsomerandombirdwithinte5896]

Some day? more like TODAY!

[@averypoggamer3700]

@@justsomerandombirdwithinte5896 god damn i hate you.

[@justsomerandombirdwithinte5896]

@@averypoggamer3700 The child has progressed well

[@JyotiSharma-bt4ti]

@@justsomerandombirdwithinte5896 i helped u take over athens in the game. Thank me.

[@justsomerandombirdwithinte5896]

@@JyotiSharma-bt4ti no

[@lizardandwizard6783]

It’s like he knows that I have an oral history exam about Ancient Greece

[@lol29391]

Wow

[@nirocnat9645]

Same

[@LZbuilder]

Thus is an ad kzbin.info/door/SCf5Z4EfcKEebsVVMqCdKw

[@timushpetru1112]

Good luck then in the exam,I got helped on a test too

[@russianpotatogoat3224]

I want a mod where you can't die (you're chuck norris)

[@hb-mek]

I dont side with anyone, whenever theres a battle i just always go on the attacking side so i get more loot.

[@devilhowl7455]

Spoken like a true Misthios.

[@oceanman9629]

I always side with Sparta, they're cooler imo

[@Mosfet0987]

You are not a true spartan, you should be thrown off a cliff for this!!! 😂😂😂 jk

[@shirosocool2938]

Bamby Gamer he did like alexios

[@lephantomchickn3676]

"Look, I'm all about loyalty. In fact, I feel like part of what I'm being paid for here is my loyalty. But if there were somewhere else that valued loyalty more highly, I'm going wherever they value loyalty the most." -Dwight Schrute

[@neonsedits1697]

In oddysey you fight for whoever give you more gear

[@horussax3397]

at least the better gear

[@yourbabushka3750]

Exactly

[@yourbabushka3750]

The spartan war hero set is WAY cooler than the athenian one

[@ZeldaLord1]

I dont i dont need epic gear

[@isdrakon9802]

I just chose who will be easier because my gear is always better then theirs

[@KibaOkami38]

Doubt you'll read this, ya know, 2 years after the theory but i have to say THANK YOU. This theory single-handedly got my back into the AC games. I got bored of them and the rinse and repeat gameplay, despite kinda being interested in the story. This theory showed me what Odyssey was like and so I tried it out and it's so far my favorite AC game of all time, I also played origins, but Odyssey improved on even that so it was great. I have high hopes for Valhalla now too, I hope they keep up this new streak of improvement.

[@kingzach74]

In my opinion, Odyssey was/is far better than Valhalla. Raids in Valhalla are kind of cool, but honestly ultimately very one-sided compared to the tons of choices in Odyssey. Maybe later on in the game, you get more choice, but for the bit, I played, I got pretty bored. Rarely the cool new shield blocking mechanics/parry was ever used outside of the first time you're shown it, and that disappointed me to the point that after a little while, I went back to Odyssey.

[@KibaOkami38]

@@kingzach74 honestly, same, Valhalla's setting is fun, but Odyssey was better over all. My least favorite part is that they brought back Paper chasing from Black Flag, the parkour system is still not made for that. Till you can maintain a proper line and not randomly jump other directions when parkouring, don't make it a major part of the game XD

[@jjoe1316]

Valhalla is fun and all but tbh it sucked compared to odyssey For Multiple Reasons 1. It was so fun that it made me play twice and Fun fact I dont play twice so yeah 2. The Story was actually interesting whereas Valhalla I kinda expected what would happened 3. You had 1 thing to do after you beat the game but with odyssey increased it by a lot The new DLC made it so much better that it was So fun 4. in Valhalla Skills are kinda weak its just required for certain builds but for odyssey it was Down right Amazing And together with builds it made things a lot more fun If you guys think I made a mistake leave a reply to this comment.

[@A_328FL]

What he says in this video isn't even used in odyssey though...

[@sloppyjoe9070]

“Favorite ac game” 😟

[@tylergil7322]

Ubisoft watching this video knowing damn well the games not that deep *Im in danger*

[@TheBluePhoenix008]

**chuckes**

[@tylergil7322]

The Blue Phoenix: Captain Gamer *chuckles*

[@severablegibbon]

Bill Nye the German Spy

[@heartlessunfunnychild9775]

You are a daed meme

[@heartlessunfunnychild9775]

@Gunner Hosek *liao Ok now lm a daed meme

[@Anna-hb1fu]

Just because you’re a dad now doesn’t mean you can only tell dad jokes, Mat

[@victorious4701]

He always has and he always will. That's his way. It may be annoying as hell sometimes, but at least it's original.

[@Eva-kl3fy]

He's been training hard on telling shitty jokes for years, let him have his moment of dad glory

[@reiniermels9288]

Wait he is a dad???

[@sleepingistooamazingtoogiv8288]

@@reiniermels9288 yeup! And he shares pictures of his baby in his instagram. The baby's adorable!!!!

[@Robin-dr5zp]

@@reiniermels9288 yes he is.

[@dasmurfy2707]

Loki: I have an army Tony: we have a hulk Obi Wan: I have the high ground Mat: well, we have Ezio

[@realdeal8930]

Jack Sparrow: I have a jar of dirt

[@lego007guym8]

Preston Garvey: We've got settlements!

[@jotarokujo3623]

Yami :well I have exodia the forbidden one

[@assassinmaster3419]

Batman: I have a tank

[@n-s-a7113]

Hotel: we I have a trivago

[@atrexwithglasses2505]

One of my favorite Spartan comebacks is during the three-day Battle of Thermopylae. King Xerxes sent a message to the Greek infantry ((headed by Leonidas)) that basically said, "Our archers will fire so many arrows that we will block out the sun." The second in command of the Greek army, a Spartan warrior himself, replied, "Then we will have our battle in the shade."

[@ked49]

My favorite is “if”

[@darknessblades]

matpat what about option 3: when choosing a side: dont choose a side, and murder both sides making you the sole survivor of the war.

[@MoonLight-zj8iu]

We will rise from the ashes of our enemies, and build a new civilization!

[@klake5375]

Lantern 501 If you killed everyone else you can't build a new civilization

[@MoonLight-zj8iu]

@@klake5375 I'm a civilization of 1. :p

[@klake5375]

Lantern 501 heh

[@c00kieuser73]

No, go on both sides and spread the secrets of both sides with each other. Then when the war goes on you can then kill everyone there is. And the war would look way more messy. That is how you win.

[@icaruspunk]

You aren't punished for stealing. You're punished for getting caught. Just a theory, what if Sparta was just as dishonorable as Athens, they just didn't get caught? Hmmmm...

[@rickrock9136]

That's a theory right there

[@brycep49]

Daniel Pettingale wow it's almost like we watched the same video

[@heat_of_the_cold]

Hmmm what if they maybe sorta only won cause they had help of some certain.... Persians?

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

@@heat_of_the_cold What if they literally had hundreds of thousands of slaves tucked away somewhere? HMMMMMM.....

[@Katsunai]

Thrown off a cliff because of the profecy forecasting that the child will be the doom of Sparta. Years later, Sparta destroyed by the same child who was thrown off a cliff. Irony in its finest.

[@Percy0412]

That's pretty much how all the stories of prophecies back then go. Someone receives information that an action will cause their downfall, and in attempting to prevent it are the sole reason for the motivation of said action.

[@armedwombat6816]

Either that or they completely misinterpret what the prophecy said. Like that one king who asked the oracle if he should fight a specific war. And it said: "This war will the downfall of a great empire.". So he fought it. Unfortunately the empire that fell was his own.

[@vassilisdafermos4047]

@@armedwombat6816 King Kyros ( pronounced Ki-ros) was the king of the Ionians who were Greeks who emigrated in Minor Asia. When the Persians attacked he asked Pythia who is the oracle of Apollo to tell him the outcome of the battle she answered that this war would the downfall of an empire so he thought that he would. But he lost and was almost burned in the Pyre if it wasn't for the Persian emperor who was touched by the self sacrifice of Kyros who accepted to die as long as his people were spared. That's the start of the Persian War P. S I'm Greek that's how I know all the details

[@AtriasNaradan]

Vassilis Dafermos and that’s how oracles on ancient world outsmarts and scammed people into believing that they can actually forecast the future...while the truth is, no matter which side win in that war between empires, an empire will likely end up falling from glory.

[@baka1fred642]

so his game have the same plot as tekken 1

[@midievalcat7770]

You can’t mention the Peloponnesian war without mentioning Alcibiades

[@bandit_thehedgehog626]

History’s ultimate “Chad”

[@TheBluePhoenix008]

Tell me more

[@featherman209]

"Generals can't get laid" Alcibiades: "now that's a lie"

[@DanielLee-qz1yd]

and Testikles

[@aseemurrehmanqureshi4202]

To be honest with the old Assassins Creed Combat Mechanics you could literally take out an entire army.

[@fatdoraemon2069]

Block and counter

[@fatdoraemon2069]

@Kenneth John Valencia combo moves are way too op

[@fatdoraemon2069]

@@user-ft3jq5vi2l are you 10?

[@raunakpurwar4333]

"historical accuracy"

[@IIiiiLiiOiiIii]

Just wait and press RT + X (R2 + 🔳)

[@sebastiansebastian7377]

The thing I like about about game theory and film theory, is that it's not like other educational game channels. Matt Pat talks to you as if you are having a conversation with him. combined with some jokes it just makes this even more enjoyable (also the editing is very good for the amount of time they put in)

[@error404usernamecannotbefo8]

Sebastian Sebastian 👏😪

[@sebastiansebastian7377]

Wow thank you game theory for hearting my comment this is just how i felt during this video

[@apgmk1970]

Sebastian Sebastian Enjoyable? Hell yes! Educational? You must be joking... :D

[@itzmango3070]

Well said

[@sebastiansebastian7377]

Random Pic Guy that's why there funny

[@pvt.waffle3399]

"There's only so far back you can go" (some years later) We're playing an Assassins Creed game as a cell

[@tobyn1284]

Assassins creed: Mitochondria

[@Jkennedy25]

Spore?

[@AndyTiger0926]

Osmosis Jones

[@martinxy1291]

I imagen at some point will play as adam or eve against the human forerunners

[@aquadraco20]

That’s spore.

[@strawberrygamer3330]

How to win a war: “If”

[@liker-qd4fz]

*USSR Anthem If remix starts playing*

[@ethanyuki2654]

Opens Google "Who won the Peloponesian War" AND THATS JUST A THEORY

[@delete9950]

RandomPersonGuy_ A game theory

[@randomcyborgninjadude2286]

Mark Biswas thanks for watching

[@juansalcido2037]

but is a GAME THEORY?

[@HO1ySh33t]

first result, "Persia" second result, "Macedon" It's the sort of war that both sides lost the moment it started.

[@rykertomanek8186]

@@HO1ySh33t So any war started in a KZbin comment section?

[@afterlightiridescence6672]

Athens : "If I bring my army into your land, I will destroy your farms, slay your people and raze your city." Sparta : "IF" Behold, one of the world's earliest BURNs

[@sophiejones7727]

They were already famous for that. The Greeks called it by the name "Laconism", after the Spartan name for their land: Laconia. Xerxes: lay down your weapons and I will be merciful. Leonidas: come and get them. Famous because it made it into the first history book ever written, Herodotus' Histories. Also, the person who sent that message was Philip II of Macedon, and it was a century after the Peloponnesian War.

[@ManiKind]

Phillip the father Alexander the Great is not Athenian he is Macedonian

[@yugitrump435]

Lol you mean athens conqueror Phillip 2 of Macedonia. To add to this Alexander didnt mess with the Spartans either lol.

[@majora8253]

In 2014 they wouldve said #yoloswag

[@Baltazar793]

that's how real fire was first made

[@stanislavosk]

“Assassin’s Creed Caveman Ages” Low LVL Weapon: Fists. High LVL Weapon: Rock

[@emptyother]

Caveman smashes rocks together accidentally creates the world's first hidden blade.

[@boltp6668]

DLC:Rock on stick

[@janepretorius9611]

Godlike LVL: pointy rock on sitck

[@ethannankivell5009]

Hidden rock on stick, he pulled it out behind his back

[@theinfamousbigslurp618]

Discovers map by pissing on trees

[@socketzrapz5039]

Aren't you forced to be Spartan it literally says on the back "become a legendary Spartan hero"

[@writer5790]

The game wants you to be Spartan but you can side with Athens anyway if you want.

[@BadAtThis44]

You're still biologically spartan. You can choose Athens and still be a Spartan hero.

[@sigma2653]

On the official wiki page it says Kassandra sided with Athens but technically you can side with both.

[@TierRune]

The Eagle Bearer is a Spartan citizen by birth and, depending on your choices, can reclaim their citizenship during the main story.

[@SorowFame]

I think there's a reason no assassins creed game has had multiple endings before, it doesn't make any sense with the animus setup. If the animus makes you experience your ancestors memories, or a least a playable interpretation of them, then there isn't a way for the multiple endings to make sense.

[@kylecaetana2124]

@Sorow Fame THANK YOU, I have been telling people that, but they just call me ignorant..

[@kylecaetana2124]

Well.. trust me you are sorta right.. they do both actually exist.. but Ubisoft already put out a novel showing that Cassandra is the Cannon character, and the novels covers the actual choices she made.. so to me.. for a game series that is heavily based on fact historical event aligned with the timeline of their characters.. this new game breaks cannon.. and create a paradox.. and that's a big OOF.. fun game.. sad it's not what is actually happening.. because all of the Greek story is not cannon..

[@cyrusmerrigold3278]

Well, it is ancient history. Remember the assassins creed was never founded until after the fall of Caesar and Cleapatra. I’ve studied Ancient history for a time and most evidence that we can get from such an era is either filled with more questions than answers or, unfortunately, irrelevant, regardless of where it came from. For example the legend of ‘300’ was written 2 generations AFTER Xerxes assault on Leonidosies forces and the sacking of Athens. Bias and certain elements of ‘evidence’ are a factor in history that can never point out into 1 ending/ answer. Even if it sound like I support the whole ‘multiple ending’ thing for the game, I just needed to put this out there.

[@SorowFame]

Peter Liszka while I concede that historically either could have happened I'm more bringing up an issue of the in-game lore. The point is that you are going through your ancestors memories, how could the same person experience to different outcomes to the same event?

[@seanblack1320]

You dont even realize how much it doesnt make sense. After finishing the game, Spoilers, You encounter the character you played as, even though according to the logic set up by the story and the confirmed canon of the franchise, this should be kassandra regardless of who you chose. But no, alexios is apparently there if you choose him. This was very poorly thought out in everyway imaginable and its the only game in the franchise i refuse to pick up.

[@nefelianonymous483]

As a Greek citizen i have to say that there were a lot of historical errors but because people in the comments have spotted them too i wont write them again. Also i am really happy to see that so many people know about the history of ancient Greece (sometimes even better than Greeks themselves...)!! Soo, greetings from Greece to all of you guys!!😄❤

[@Santiago-sh4vc]

Nefeli anonymous i love greek history and greek gods, i think of them so cool and interesting!

[@nefelianonymous483]

@@Santiago-sh4vc its really nice to hear that!!

[@cloudy3233]

Όντως, ούτε εγώ δεν το περίμενα.

[@tyleranderson1954]

Hello from the US

[@barkobarko3176]

And they murdered our language and overused the malaka

[@epicfortnitenews7183]

Sparta was a army with a state, not a state with an army

[@unneccry2222]

Sparta was A army?

[@Crawedfish]

Kinda like prussia

[@arrowhdar1574]

EPIC FORTNITE NEWS friend me on fortnite BadccX492Bruh

[@SwimSwayer]

@@arrowhdar1574 nobody cares about fortnite here

[@ollyoboomer7671]

Wait, that's Prussia

[@KptnF3NR15]

I love how this is basically history class (which I always hated) but really triggers a desire to learn about it. Gotta love it

[@trientertainment7628]

No way you said you hate history class

[@lukeblackman6508]

Matpat, you get a like for the rainbow 6 siege reference. Keep up the good work lol

[@Skizzi765]

Same here, except I like matpat vids just us its matpat and all his content is good, but the R6S reference was good, also my fav matpat vid is his R6S in real life vid.

[@johnjustjohn5866]

@d62272 11:26

[@gilessaint-loup2426]

This video was created with help from Ubisoft, if there was not an references to other Ubi titles there would be something wrong.

[@bhuv_]

This Is Smarta

[@thomasduong5120]

This... Is....... CRINGY!!!!

[@Manciej]

Smarta sounds like a very smart Martha.

[@JacobTorres]

Finally!

[@Selkvile]

This is America

[@tuxedosteve1904]

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME !

[@sorbee4288]

"Spartans are more honorable!".... *THROWS TODDLER OFF A CLIF FOR NOT HAVING A FIT BODY*

[@The-Vulpine-King]

Every greek city state did that. Sparta just more so. If you wanna get on the sexist side, Athens mostly threw baby girls off cliffs because families wanted boys. Sparta kept their woman.

[@saucydoodles9604]

I only survived infancy because of my rockin' six pack. AS IT SHOULD BE.

[@kaata-strophickatt1977]

SOMEONE SCREAM YEET!

[@alexl1178]

I do admire their honor.

[@ccvelcro4514]

@@kaata-strophickatt1977 YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

[@mlgcreepsplosion7772]

“Want to front punt a lion? Then be my guest!” *Falcon kicks lion in face*

[@infiniteideassquared9102]

Both boys and girls of Sparta were taught to fight because it was thought that Sparta was greater that its people, and if they were invaded, everyone would have to fight. Also, women who died during childbirth were buring honorable alomgside men who'd perished in battle- showing the battle of childbirth was equal to physical weaponry-fought war.

[@keokawasaki7833]

that is sweet!

[@bracey191]

InfiniteIdeas squared what about the children who didn’t seen fit enough to fight in a war?

[@Controcetica]

Women also had a lot of responsibility in Sparta. When the men were away at the war the women ran the country and kept the masses of slaves in line. Furthermore when a man died his wife inherited his property. There were a lot of very wealthy women in Sparta. The Athenians looked down on Sparta because of this.

[@danielantony1882]

@@bracey191 They grew up and had a happy family.

[@kasperdedeyne5293]

@@danielantony1882 yea on the bottom of a cliff

[@NeptunesOrca]

MatPat, just because you have an elite fighting force of almost superhuman warriors does not mean that any mercenaries will be gainfully employed by you. History also tells us that Sparta was exceedingly wary of engaging in wars, and was actually a diplomatic powerhouse. Why? Slaves. Sparta had *a lot* of slaves, and were extremely worried that these slaves would revolt if their fighting force was ever preoccupied with battle anywhere outside of easy access to Sparta itself. I believe Extra Credits did a series on Thermopylae, where they talk about this.

[@Oldkingcole1125]

NeptunesOrcaII great comment! Donald Kagan wrote a great book on the Peloponnesian War and his Yale lectures are on KZbin. I recommend them to any who want to learn more

[@gbornem8634]

I agree, the Spartans threated the Helots horribly. The Spartans considered themselves foreign invaders for a very long time, which gave them an excuse to suppress the Helots. Although this is a major point of social inequality, the Spartans did threat their women better in comparison to the Atheneans. Women were allowed to practice sports, go outside whenever they want and some of them were incredibly rich, making them quite important in society, as opposed to the Athenean women who weren't even allowed to go outside without a man (pretty sure it wasn't a rule, it was more likely just in their culture). I'm sorry if my English is perhaps a bit broken, it's not my main language, but I love to talk about this. I just started studying history and I have to say it's even better than expected.

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

"So the Spartans allied with Persians to preserve their crush Athenian democracy, in the name of FREEDOM of course."

[@thememeguy6340]

10/10 hanzo main joke

[@hougen8695]

Lol this made my day

[@lloydiepodie2096]

I loved it

[@DABOSSPLAYZ]

TheMemeGuy im a genji main tho

[@krypt2224]

Roadhog...

[@lulumce6281]

DA BOSS PLAYZ I’m not healing you

[@boystank4202]

I'm relatively young (11) and I just randomly felt like researching about Greece and its myths. Anyways Greece is really cool. I admire their techniques.

[@JTheVisionaryVA]

Check out a channel called Overly Sarcastic Productions. They’ve got a lot of really cool Greek stuff.

[@boystank4202]

Jalen Rodriguez yeah I should’ve been more specific, I started researching about it 5 years ago. I’m now starting Egypt.

[@nightjay4033]

Yeah, I also admire how they essentially threw unwanted children out to die of exposure.

[@ethanlarratt4606]

BoyStank you should try reading Herodotus’s histories he goes through a lot of Greek history and customs as well as Persian and Egyptian ones as well

[@wysp272]

BoyStank so you’re saying that you chose to start researching about Greece and it’s myths when you were 6

[@malachimane2131]

Next assassins creed is about dinosaurs clawing at each other

[@nargeta2]

If I can play an assassin raptor I might give assassins creed a second chance

[@lahkooky504westside3]

Ubisoft= the comet

[@Tkz95]

Far cry primal

[@kingv-raptor840]

I can't wait

[@knightmarespawn2690]

Assassin’s Creed:Age of Extinction

[@TheHomicidalTendency]

Assassin's Creed Neanderthal, where you play as a Neanderthal fighting against the aggressive humans as one of the last tribes of your kind. You fall in love with one of the humans and create the first assassin.

[@sameerchoudhary3131]

TheHomicidalTendency LoL I would buy that

[@victorguimerajimenez8212]

I would by that too, that sounds cool

[@alexrowe7063]

Sounds like a far cry primal rip off tbh

[@Fernando619lu]

If what your implying means we get to see the first assassin ever then yea im down to play that

[@aneshk2337]

They already did something like that,far cry primal.

[@mayakern]

if you really want to talk about spartans "getting the girl," a good reason would be that in most greek cultures women were seen as sub-human and, comparatively, spartan women had the most rights and were actually granted full citizenship after turning 18, unlike in other greek cultures. they were expected to be educated and be physically fit and able to fight. spartan women were also the only women allowed to drink wine so, you know. that helps too.

[@clothar23]

Why does everyone keeping bringing up the treatment of Spartan woman as a positive? Sure Spartan women had it easy compared to a lot of cultures at the time. But women who were considered Spartan made up a tiny fraction of the female population of Sparta . And if you lived in Sparta and weren't born of that rarefied crowd, guess what your lot in life was actually worse than pretty much anywhere else.

[@brycep49]

y'all acting like women deserve rights? 😎😤😂

[@brock6856]

Most likely if you lived in sparta you'd be a slave

[@heat_of_the_cold]

The only reason this is true is because the women had to run the estates. The actual treatment of women was very bad as well. Do you know how Spartans got married? Well the man had to kidnap the women and get her to his house and she was his. Does this sound good to you?

[@taxiarchiskalyvas8198]

When in other cultures was just a toy

[@omegagilgamesh]

The "babies off the cliff" claim is just a myth, Sparta didn't actually do that.

[@OTBlockEntertainment]

True

[@OTBlockEntertainment]

They just put the baby down and leave it to die to sickness or someone

[@felixthyfirst4196]

@@giannistragakis6742 king Ottakar II conquered all of the World even America i'm from Bohemia, so i know

[@nataliemuday9103]

4:11 actually the Spartans gave rights to the woman there, unlike in Athens.

[@christianconrad3765]

No one cares

[@KIJIKLIPS]

@@christianconrad3765 yeah they do

[@MohammedFeet]

@@christianconrad3765 if you didnt care why did you take your time to say that?

[@cursedteacup1431]

Brightstar429 *there

[@animeshdas2559]

Brightstar429 it was the way around

[@jacobobal1105]

It’s the Ancient Greek version of bloods vs. crips

[@RoverStorm]

Uh...Athen's is more like the rich brat that thinks he's hot stuff and shoves their nose in EVERYONE's business, while Sparta is like his older brother who only bullies the 6 people who sit nearby him and wishes for his brother to NOT cause problems. Also, expansion was the LAST thing on Sparta's mind. They had a caste of slaves called "Helots" (supposedly killing one was required to be a full Spartan), and they were CONSTANTLY scared these helots would revolt, so at some point they stopped effectively all forms of expansion. Except their colonies. But that was back when people actually DIDN'T live in most places.

[@i_is_lawnmower8192]

Congratulations ! You did your history homework! Now all we need is the other thousand people...

[@lucybunnyiscool]

I was just talking about this I'm my ancient western civilization class

[@andrewmathewson341]

As someone who covered this time period in my Ancient History class, I 100% agree. Athens just got too confident and the general citizens went a bit crazy with the whole 'Radical Democracy' thing and made some very dumb decisions that screwed them over.

[@alexcardosa8079]

Lets not forget all the child killing which is what the main character basically goes thru. Not feeling the love but the game looks like fun.

[@Dylan-qs3ev]

But he thicc

[@Jessie_Helms]

While Sparta did reply “if” to king Phillip it’s worth noting they were a completely irrelevant backwater by that point. Their entire militaristic society was about being armed enough to stop a slave revolt, but by that point they were arming their slaves. Sparta, while cool, is severely over hyped.

[@destroyer5689]

Na They was scared no matter what they said

[@Jessie_Helms]

Ken Sloan most historians think Phillip just kept Sparta around to use as a possible boogie man.

[@destroyer5689]

Merc at Arms FEAR IS STRONGER THAN ANY BLADE

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

@@Jessie_Helms For more information, check out Invicta's video on the Spartan Myth.

[@Apputhegreat12]

"what should we do with the funds boss?" "Not upgrade servers.. Oh and also sponsor matpat"

[@AlJey007]

Sponsoring matpat is not such a bad idea. This guy can make anything interesting.

[@cassidy4037]

PELOPENISIAN WAR shows picture of alexander the great...

[@takima504]

Jameson Orwellian misinformation 😂😂😂

[@ShinyLP]

Yeah it was a picture of the battlefield between Macedon and Persia xD

[@ExcelonTheFourthAvalonHeirs]

Blame Jason.

[@ma4ore]

In context alexander conquered all the greek city states (exept sparta) and everything until today's india so bringing him up makes sense.. in the context he brought him up in

[@gerritkruger4014]

Yeah when I saw king Darius next to the words Peloponnesesian war I kinda had an OCD seizure XD

[@lordfarquaad6291]

They trained in hunting, fighting, pain tolerance, and, most importantly, *singing*

[@mr.q337]

Music always welcome on battle field =))))

[@bjornlothbrok3604]

Dance off bro

[@game5plays]

THIS IS SPARTAA!!!!!!!

[@DRIPDEVIL]

Amarican idol but it's the pelopenision war.

[@theotherkimmy6232]

*WHzy

[@sabadodomingo1293]

Also the Spartans were prohibited from participating in the Pankration portion of the Olympics because it was actually a part of their daily life and were so skilled

[@callumgunning3643]

I usually love MattPat’s theories, but this one feels a little under-researched. I’ve studied the Peloponnesian War before, and this seems WAY too simplified. I know he can’t into every last detail in a 10 minute video, but Athens wasn’t just a city of thinkers - that’s just what they’re famous for because that’s what’s still relevant today.

[@jessegoodfellow6188]

I believe some things are being left out of the video, whether by time constraints or you just didn't think it was important. And I want to say what was missing because it will be annoying to me later on. Spartans were not stupid. The training put into a spartan soldier was not only physical, but also mental. They studied poetry and warfare as much as they exercised. Athenian democracy wasn't always the best when it came to thinking. I can imagine people saying that I am wrong, but I have the perfect historical example, Alcibiades. Alcibiades was an Athenian democrat who was so charming he convince the entire assembly to, instead of helping an ally on the island of Sicily, to invade the rest of the island. And also convinced them to expand their already massive fleet of ships to a more massive degree. While he was one of three guys in charge, Alcibiades somehow roped his way out of the eventually doomed force, who were killed to a man. Alcibiades came back after a few years to Athens and managed to kill the democracy and replace it with an oligarchy. A democracy can be fooled by one guy who was too good at sweet talk. Whew, that's a lot of typing for a video on the internet.

[@kapjoteh]

Jesse Goodfellow yeah lol. It’s weird when you spend like 10 minutes writing what you feel like is a good comment, only to come back and see it takes like 10 seconds to read

[@jessegoodfellow6188]

Totally, it took me two minutes to write this and two seconds to read.

[@void_wyrm]

also women in Sparta could own land unlike in Athens

[@Sophi023]

"A democracy can be fooled by one guy who was too good at sweet talk..." -Why does that sound familiar? Also, SPARTA!

[@Prich319]

Ah, Alcibiades. Antiquity's foremost crazed supervillain.

[@ereztal-ron9048]

Plus they rejected you when you were a boy and then you return who knows how many years later and become like the best soldier in their ranks , that's badass

[@zadok23]

*or a girl....not wholly historically accurate but I still like the idea

[@canadianwifi2903]

What even more badass is to come back and decimate their whole army

[@ereztal-ron9048]

@@canadianwifi2903 true

[@smittannl]

Quick note: Sparta was a slave society that relied on slaves to take care of everything excluding the army, there slaves were often slaughtered under any suspicion of rebellion. I'm not sure if it's so honorable to throw away all the children whom may of become a great warrior just because they were a little bit weak as a child. Plus Sparta was not conquered by Alexander because Sparta was weak and in constant decline by the time Alexander was in power, he could have conquered it if he really wanted to, but it was way more insulting to the Spartans. Plus Sparta's reluctance to adopt bows and other modern invention's, is a weakness.

[@Parbat_theSpectacularGamer12]

Global Warning I agree

[@Pizzifrizzo]

Everyone seems always to forget that spartans were much more adept at diplomacy than anyone thinks. All talk about how they were super warriors, but their warrior streak didn't make them much good when compared with their incredibly complex diplomatic net. It may not be as epic , but it is equally impressive. And describing Athens like the nerdy kid is just hanging from the lips of Athenians like Pericles in Tucidides' Histories. Athens was an aggressive, imperialistic power which used its cultural prestige, historical successes and military might in order to wrestle other cities in their confederation whose sole purpose was to extort sacred tributes which not so sacredly headed en masse to Athens itself every year. That was, among other reasons, because its democratic institution was way too expensive to sustain with the meagre resources of a single city state. All in all, I agree with others here. I like your content MatPat, but if you have to delve into history, it would be wise to make much more research and publish something more extensive than a summary laden with incorrect information. Especially when talking about topics so badly understood and constantly warped by myth and public like ancient history.

[@dnaem1982]

Thank you for my history lesson

[@weirdofromhalo]

Additionally, they weren't even good fighters/good at war. The honor for that probably goes to Thebes or Corinth.

[@artemiswolf4508]

The Spartans got the ladies because they gave them actual human rights and let them own property, not just because their awesome pecs (although I imagine that was also a factor)

[@ryanrzjr]

Thats true, women in Sparta had way more rights and had their own part of the government, the system they had was man marries woman, man dies gives woman all his money, money is split between children no matter gender, and thus woman built up a fortune.

[@Goldenman89327]

Hatefulhierarchy they had more rights but it still wasnt good living for anyone there. Sparta kind of sucked to live in for multiple reasons

[@Firemalleoandjelly]

Look the time of the greeks everything kinda sucked in europe let's be honest.

[@tiggerbane4325]

Correction everything kinda sucked everywhere.

[@Firemalleoandjelly]

It sucked in Europe more, let's just say this historically Europe earned the suckage world record, while herbal medicine that worked was invented in Asia, Europeans preffered the cut off the leg method.

[@cimbrius5583]

4:43 THE PELOPONNESIAN WAR Shows a mosaic of Alexander the Great fighting Darius III

[@ww2fanatic123]

Glad to see I wasn't the only one to notice.

[@dogmilk7609]

I’m Greek and I love this game! I was also born and raised in Athens and I still live here. And for that reason I went with Athens in the game cause I’m actually Athenian irl.

[@Kazasia-_-]

As if I couldn’t tell lel

[@liker-qd4fz]

,,I went with the athens" *Man , i know im the devil , but CHILL* EDIT 2023 : what the hell is this, when and why did I write this???

[@RealForensicTV]

i respect that

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

@@liker-qd4fz Sparta is debatably worse. With their mass slavery and oligarchy and all.

[@siva2727]

"If" i buy the game

[@pnarimani6055]

savage...

[@idrisrobinson5393]

Lmfao

[@patricksfriendbobthesponge8256]

lol

[@manofculture6519]

Captain Deadpool A internet troll at it purest lol

[@brockshell4270]

I’m joining the Spartans because of the whole geometry thing

[@AL3X2580]

Revrse2003 join the athenians because the Spartans die out anyway

[@financiallydevestatedtrump9904]

If you hate the Athenians for geometry, you’re gonna hate the Sicilian Greeks and Alexandrian Greeks for calculus,

[@tonyshor922]

and video games, for using it

[@edgardeloera2874]

Also get ready to take it up the butt, Spartans are known for being very gay.

[@mackydylon]

No u Sorry I had to

[@razzalini659]

8:34 no because Spartans never die,they just go missing in action

[@solopowermove2131]

I never really understood that line in Halo... we should get a theory on that.

[@kendrickcernanunez2350]

@@solopowermove2131 Basically propaganda used by the UNSC to keep people's hopes up that Spartans were still fighting the good fight.

[@admiralpeanutbutter1755]

@@solopowermove2131 if you cant find a body of a spartan, you cant confirm he died... so therefore unsc is basically saying that spartans got a bit too trigger happy and got lost in the woods. Having gotten seperated from their comrades they decided to keep chasing down the enemy until they ran out of targets . Then they went to look for enemies to kill.

[@KeayLo]

Just like puffles "return to the wild" I have a feeling no one will get that

[@jimmypratt]

USSR! USSR! USSR! Glorious mother Russia!!!!!!!

[@microsoftexcelspreadsheet]

I love listening to you talking about the most random stuff while I do my homework. I usually haven't even played the game or watched the movie you're talking about. Makes my day just a little bit better.

[@teddaley579]

Ever notice how mat never does a Ubisoft theory unless he's paid to.

[@saggitarius1727]

and it's not even a theory, it's just a 13minutes long advertisement with some history facts.

[@festethephule7553]

@@saggitarius1727 Pretty off the mark history facts at that.

[@Kathrine321]

But like, why would you turn down money, especially from a huge company?

[@yattasuccess9212]

Kathrine321 a lot of people just wished he put a lot more details in these videos (like in general), like the older AC videos. Then again at this point, few years into making this content and practically covering most Major theories and Major games, I wouldn't blame him if he couldn't find a better topic due to time constraint/demand. But personally I'd have one Game Theory or Film Theory every 7-9 days and be guaranteed that everything is Muah Wanbyeok-hada amazing.

[@Connor-xy2ke]

Ever notice if you don’t have anything nice to say then don’t say it? Jk. I understand what you are saying but, why would you turn down money from a big gaming company??? No Hate Just saiyin

[@sorayacatfriend]

To those praising Sparta in the comments, remember that around 75% of their population were slaves and the reason they invested in their military so much was to prevent slave revolts. Also, keep in mind that they allied with the Persian Empire during the Peloponnisian War.

[@sorayacatfriend]

MAHAN 195 There is nothing wrong with the Persians, they were the most tolerant state in the ancient world, in fact, slavery was banned in the Persian Empire. I just pointed that out as many people see them as an opponent to the Greeks.

[@ΓιάννηςΜεταξάς-ρ5φ]

PREACH! To he'll with Sparta, at least in Athens you wouldn't be killed at birth for not looking good

[@syx5455]

@MAHAN 195 سلام . متاسفانه امروزه خیلی از کشور ها ایرانی ها رو به عنوان آدم هایی بد می دونند. همونطور که خودت گفتی به لطف فیلم هایی مثل ۳۰۰. اما اگر با اسپارتا عضو بشیم در آخر به ایران کمک می کنیم‌. حتی با این فکر که اسپارتا واقعا چیزی بیشتر از یک عده وحشی آدم کش بی عقل نبودند ( حداقل نسبت به آتن ) به نظر میاد که تنها انتخاب درست برای کمک به ایران و بر قراری امنیت توی منطقه ی یونان همون باشه . درضمن اسپارتا جلوی اسکندر و پدرش وایساد .

[@gabrielperez9757]

@MAHAN 195 I'm siding with Sparta because you'll also be siding with Persia for they help the Spartans win

[@peniseusgiganticus9558]

SYX من تا به حال هيچ ايرانى تو اين كانال نديدم. از اشنايى با شما خشبختم 😂😂😂

[@maxthedog4703]

THIS. IS. GAME THEORY!!!!

[@adrian29811]

i thought he was gonna teach us how to wage and win a war

[@theta682pl]

Several things you ignored 1) the vast majority of the army of the spartan side is not spartan but laconian (the surrounding area) 2)The war ended with both sides withdrawing because the athenians started dying because of a plague and the Laconians (spartans) unable to finance the continuation of the war 3) the war was started when the athenians at the height of their power decided to attack thinking they could win by superior naval power and an impenetrable fortress, little did they know that the majority of the city would be wiped out by diseases because of the increased commerce and population density required to keep the city living in a fortress.

[@InvetorXD]

but this is a sponsored video

[@gnupepe8454]

Money makes one not care about history

[@jacobnewell3515]

Thank you for the accurate historical context, and not a bias promotion of a game for money

[@thomasrosian584]

Meh...

[@alice-tw8ke]

*Not so fun history fact* One time, Spartans, because they thought that their slaves might rebel, told them that they could be free if they wrote their name in a piece of paper and afterwards were given a “crown of olive leaves” like the one Olympic Game winners wore and they were made to run in circles around a temple to “honor the gods” when in reality they were going to kill them all and to separate them from Spartans they gave them the crowns of olive leaves. And they killed them all. To set an example. They were more than 100 innocent people that just wanted to be free.

[@totagamefull]

Eh, slavery was an common thing at the time and there where worse ancient massacres then that.

[@zarrar736]

totagamefull how are you gonna justify a massacre by saying that there were more horrible things done ? Thats like saying , killing gay people is ok since all the arabs do it , pedos aren’t that bad since some people kill children instead of raping them

[@alice-tw8ke]

Zenon Grey omg! Logic! Thank you!

[@wanderingursa8184]

Alice That's not even the most messed up part when it comes to the Helots. Sparta would declare war on their slaves once a year and basically instruct Spartan boys to go out and just randomly kill Helots. If a Helot became too strong, he was killed and the Spartan overseer punished, if the Helot was too weak, the Overseer was also punished.

[@heimheim3584]

@@zarrar736 Ehhhh, slavery was perfectly fine back then and a way better past time than being poor. Pedophilia was also okay because kids were considered "good to bear children"/adults at around 13-9 years old. Although , human sacrifice was REALLY fucked up back then UNLESS you where in the cult of Bacchus/Dionysus/some drunk God who is the equivalent to sheogorath in the Elder Scrolls.

[@mxrs4745]

4:42 pictures that will make you say, "That's not The Peloponnesian War; That's King Darius the Third losing an empire!"

[@YAH2121]

why would they use that there lol

[@wanderingursa8184]

Considering the rest of his "research" in this episode, I'm not surprised he made that mistake.

[@laaarsu]

I don't really see how a game that has the player explore memories, could employ choices and in turn, change the plot. If so, then the Animus was just a time travel device all along.

[@dacoop0642]

has nothing to due with that

[@thatblast]

Something to do with the memory stream being corrupted

[@alyseleem2692]

Well, if the canon is to be believed,somehow, Layla's Animus is an exception as technically, she's not using her own DNA. Her connection to these memories is artificial, therefore allowing her to explore what if scenarios of history, which is somehow important in once again preventing a second Great Catastrophe which seems to depend on causality itself despite Desmond's sacrifice. It's weird. It's so goddamn weird.

[@neoflame7681]

NOT COOL!! I haven't gotten to that part of history yet!

[@niyatalonhold626]

I started the game 2 days ago and I really find it hilarious that when you check the difficulty of both sides you see that if you fight with the athens against Sparta its "hard" but if you side with the spartains its "easy" lmao

[@realzkgamer]

Lol

[@Saifthebest01]

About the "If" quote. The Spartans were actually fearful of the Macedonians as they took over the rest of Greece. I'll have to find it later, but in battle a Macedonian general died, and a Spartan said that their army has only lost one man.

[@sugar-high_kitsune]

12:00 - For me, that fourth reason is that I spent most of my senior years in high school (here we call years 11 & 12, or sophomore and senior, our senior years) studying ancient Greece; specifically Sparta, Grecian wars and political figures. Literally adore Sparta after spending all that time reading about them and building them up onto the pedestal they now rule upon in my mind. Anyway, back to the video. *Scrolls back up to finish the video.*

[@LoganKing4]

SoRrY mAtPat the best way to win a war is nuClear weapoNs

[@brock6856]

atom bomb baby

[@fragones1237]

Logan King, is this a clue?

[@Bajamamut]

Oh, the Gandhi Theory 😎

[@scarletletter4900]

It's also the best way to lose one.

[@alansmithee419]

You mean the best way to get flattened by conventional weapons?

[@stormblade4021]

8:56 An arrow to the knee reference 7 years after Skyrim came out. Wow

[@GotA-do4ob]

Matt by the time Alexander inherited his fathers empire, Sparta wasn’t anywhere near as strong as they used to be. They win the Peloponnesian war, but the the oligarchs they place in charge of Athens and the general abusive power they hold over Greece doesn’t hold up well and eventually Philip II of Macedon just kind of walks over and destroyed them without much trouble, looking at it retrospectively. He even destroys the Sacred band of Thebes. By this time Sparta has already lost a significant number of their citizen soldiers, and the lands in Lacedameon they held as slave states had successfully rebelled, leaving Sparta without ample resources to keep up their previous lifestyle. That lifestyle entailed strict marriage between citizen men and Spartan women, infanticide if they kids they produced were “no good”, and strict training regimes. Because their numbers were reduced, they had to allow non-spartan citizens to join the military, which (while this view could be rather ethnocentric in favor of Spartans) diluted the previously heavily regulated spartan gene pool. Sparta never recovers after Philip takes over. Alexander didn’t even spare them a glance when they attempted to rebel when he came to power. And I don’t agree that they are ultimately the more “just” side of the war. Yeah, Athens has a lot of shady dealings, but they also united (most) of Greece. Yeah, they held the treasury and power, yeah they kind of brought up their victory against the Persians a lot (which you totally forgot to mention, that’s actually really important), and yeah they held their power like a leash on the other polies. But the Peloponnesian war resulted in a huge loss of Greek lives, resulted in political and military weakening of Athens (because Spartans were horrible at politics in comparison) and led to the deaths of thousands of Athenians under the tyrannical rule of Spartan oligarchs. P.S , Spartans also routinely committed genocide against their slaves in a systematic culling practiced by young Spartans who completed their trainig. They did this every year for as long as they had Helot territories, and they were encouraged to literally kill as many as possible. The Spartans are actually really horrible people. But anyway, Once Philip came through, they stood no chance. Just look to the Thebans to see how bad it was. Love ya Matpat, but I can’t forgive the Spartans for that. They headed their conflict as the side who fought for freedom against Athens (literally, that’s what they said), but they ended up becoming absolute tyrants. Plus, a lot of history surrounding Sparta is really romanticized. I’d encourage you to look at more recent research. They weren’t really that awesome. Plus their eventual fall under the rule of Nabis of Sparta is kind of pathetic.

[@mestervester3525]

when i pressed that more button i wasn't expecting a full history lesson geez.

[@fragones1237]

WOW.... (I don’t need to read anything to know you know your stuff!)

[@mystut306]

Thank you

[@secretpanda64]

Very informative. I love this era of History and didnt know a lot of that. You sir are a gentleman and a scholar.

[@nichoudha]

Athens committed a genocide in the war. Read the Melian Dialogue.

[@8-bitlogan895]

This is my 2nd favorite Assassin's Creed game next to Assassin's Creed Origins! I always love learning some information from you MatPat about history!

[@phoenixbarnes55]

"IF" That is so badass it gives me goosebumps.

[@DZ-1987]

What? literally anyone could do that if they can stand up after a punch. Which i think is everyone.

[@jonathanconey4552]

spartans were not the greatest warriors ever, they were just hoplites. They were not even alone versus the persians in the battle of Thermopylae, because they had over 6,000 allies with them, making it a much closer fight.

[@noobalert2111]

still they werent even close to 100k (the persian army)

[@gabrielwhite3890]

@@noobalert2111 closer to 10k, and Xerxes wanted to cut his losses short.

[@excellero9766]

They were not even near close the greatest warriors of their time. And there is much more greater stories with small army vs big army which is real and they won unlike the Spartans.

[@coastalalpaca852]

Excellero the whole idea is that they defended their nation for long enough to send a warning to the senate

[@excellero9766]

CoastalAlpaca which means they have lost the war i am not talking about their purpose or what they have done, i am talking about that war which they are praised for so much even though that the story is a lie about the 300 and they have lost it.

[@arlecchino932]

Nobody: Highly respected general with a huge army: If I bring my army into your land, I will destroy your farms, slay your people, and raze your city” Sparta: If... Best Quote Ever

[@averypoggamer3700]

Eh

[@andrewr2468]

Sparta had fallen out of significance by then after being defeated by Thebes. If Philip II wanted Sparta he could have had it. He died however, and Alexander had no interest in the tiny city.

[@thegeneralgamer4921]

@@andrewr2468 I also feel like Philip II would have gotten the letter weeks later and been like, "if?? what does he mean by this? Did they just forget to finish the sentence?" Other than that the quote wasn't really threatening. It sounds scary at first because it sounds like you're saying "If you do, but I know you won't because you're scared", but following the logic, he never rebutted by saying that everything wouldn't be destroyed.

[@MourningStar67]

@@thegeneralgamer4921 i think it means more of something like, "only if you can beat us". Like i said in another comment, Phillip was probably still scared of them though. I know Sparta were out of there prime at that point but that doesn't mean Phillip wasn't scared of them because after all, they were the strongest warriors in Greece and possibly history. Its kind of like you going to play football against a hall of famer. Even though they are retired and old, they still scare you because you know what they are capable of.

[@onurmustafa3513]

8:56 I once was an adventurer like you...Then i took an arrow to the knee

[@fahrenheit2101]

Wait.... I know you.

[@hoshi_no]

Now ive watch a trailer of Assassins Creed Odyssey for like 13:24 wut???

[@manofculture6519]

Vault Boy XD

[@omershani4786]

By your theorys there is already cavemen assassins creed its called farcry primal

[@patthemat7134]

Omer Shani nice joke

[@madethisaccounttocommenton6798]

*snap* Noce...

[@ggkproductions1632]

There Should Be An Assassins Creed Game Set During The Cold War.

[@wyattrose5511]

Congrats, MatPat. Sponsored by ANOTHER big company. Well done. Now we just have to get DIET Coke to sponsor you... And yay, I'm early. (There, I fixed it. Happy?)

[@voladisco]

Diet, you mean. None of that blasphemous sugar ingested into my system.

[@lime2779]

FoundGallifreyFirst he meant coke the company which Diet Coke falls under

[@MrrMechassult]

He's been sponsored by ubisoft before. I believe it was the far cry primal episode.

[@MinistryOfMagic_DoM]

He was also sponsored by EA for the Battlefront 2 video, but he turned the deal down because EA sucks donkey balls.

[@markuscorneliussen2919]

pretty sure matpat has been sponsored by ubisoft multiple times before for example For honor, Rainbow, Watch dogs and far cry primal

[@trisajackyln6755]

Let’s hope mat like Norse mythology as much as Greek mythology because that’s what Assassin’s Creed Valhalla is about.

[@LulitaInPita]

I kept getting distracted by the animations on this one because they were absolutely absurd! the kid trying to steal distracted me the most, I had to replay that part like 3 times lol

[@ninjasheep7492]

Your analysis on Sparta is almost entirely inaccurate albeit its not really your fault. Sparta originated as a Cretan invasion force and throughout its history this fact was never forgotten. The Spartans considered themselves superior than the "Helots" they conquered and set up a caste hierarchy with the native Greeks being kept as slaves while the spartan citizens were effectively nobility. Over time Sparta gained very VERY many slaves in their empire with slaves outnumbering spartan citizens almost 9-1. This did two things: one was Spartan citizens became fabulously wealthy and two they became notoriously cautious. Since the helots outnumbered the Spartans by such a large margin and the Sparta made no effort to integrate the foreigners slave revolt was a constant threat. Any large defeat on the battlefield could mean not enough troops to keep the Helots down and so Sparta didn't expand beyond their peninsula in anything but influence. Also due to this Sparta invested heavily in propaganda and military equipment. They weren't the strongest fighters and were very cautious relying on mercenaries, alliances and their generals to minimize casualties which worked and after 300 (which was actually a broad alliance of numerous smaller city states and Sparta who decided to stay behind and was actually closer to 1200) they did become feared. They pushed this one battle so hard and spread so many lies about their culture (impossible to correct since Sparta was closed off tighter than north korea at the time) that they turned from the rich Cretan nobles with weird quirky laws to the ultimate warriors. But in reality they were a mix between a landed aristocracy and a wealthy militia. Their reputation held because they almost never fought wars with Athens being the main aggressor in most wars in Greece. Once they did finally take a serious unavoidable loss their empire collapsed and they became even more like north korea: an impoverished hyper militaristic state desperately trying to survive against the Athenian and Macedonian superpowers. In short they were never like what they were depicted as in 300 or in their propaganda and even only held that reputation for about 250 years but since those 250 years are the most well documented and dynamic period in Greek history the stereotype remains.

[@Arexmajen]

Thank you! I was literally thinking about posting an argument on how Sparta was nothing like 300, but I had NOWHERE as much information as you did.

[@danielkjm]

Thanks you are Awesome ♡

[@somedude5191]

Wow that was super fascinating thanks!

[@catitisspork696]

Spartans were most likely Dorians. At the end of the Mycenean civilization, a tribe(which historians are not sure who they were but two of the most known theories are that they were either Dorians or "A tribe from the sea", which is also unknown) took over many cities, including Sparta. Yes, helots were the former people who lived in Sparta. Cretan invasion? How? At a point and after Crete was occupied by the Myceneans. Plus, they were not aggresive. Yes, it is true that Spartans were totally outnumbered. That is the reason why Sparta used to have two kings. This doesn't mean that they didn't fight. Both boys and girls were trained from a young age. Boys became warriors and girls were trained enough to be able to give birth to healthy and strong kids. Also, during the Peloponnesian war, they were in friendly terms with the Persians, who gave them money to built their navy(since Spartans were only good fighters on the land, they wouldn't stand a chance against the Athenian navy). After the war, they lost to Thiva, another strong city(which then lost to the Macedonians). Lastly, Spartans remained popular for their bravery(not only for the battle of the Thermopiles 480bc,in which there were 300 Spartans, 900 helots(3 for every Spartan), 400 Thiveans and 700 Thespians) and only their bravery.

[@TreePunchaGaming]

I appreciate both your historical knowledge, as well as your name, fellow animal ninja.

[@knfa2027]

Never give up the fight. The minute we do, we have lost

[@radial9472]

Erm what?

[@bbsans3961]

Man so true

[@knfa2027]

For those who don’t know Ezio Auditore said that very quote

[@bbsans3961]

@@knfa2027 that's my favorite assassin

[@knfa2027]

COOLKID CHARA SANS same here

[@jamesdent6534]

THIS IS GAME THEORY.....

[@BlueEyedBot]

Some fun facts about Sparta: the spartan’s considered ranged weapons so cowardly they didn’t use them during a hunt. The Spartans would chance down prey by foot and kill them with a hand weapon. The athenians were considered to have started the war not because they broke the rules more but because their king (I’ll never remember names) was doing everything in his power to start a war and not taking no for an answer while one of the spartan kings (there was always two) try to prevent a war. The was was start because the “Danos” (the spartan citizens) wanted a war contrary to their kings. The reason why the Spartans surrendered when they had prisoners taken was because the Spartans always suffered from a low population, because of this there were no adultery laws and spartan men often came back with a man he’d believe would make strong children with his wife. Similar to the lack of adultery laws since the spartan children never really came in contract with the opposite sex between the ages of 7-30ish(it was common place for men and women to become lovers in secret and was actually part of their culture) the Spartans would have homo sex before any of them would have straight sex. In marriage women would have to cut their hair get pleasing from their family and all and then go into a dark room wearing men’s clothing and wait for a male spartan to come find her this pitch black room (essentially a game of tag in the dark) if the male caught her then he’d take her to bed.

[@armedwombat6816]

Yeah, a low population is kinda what you get when you kill babies for not being tough enough. They could only afford having professional soldiers becaue they had tons of slvaes (helots)to do all the boring "un-manly" jobs for them.

[@festethephule7553]

Ok, that marriage ritual actually sounds kinda fun, I gotta be honest XD.

[@jacobblack1869]

Feste the Phule dude your comment made my day

[@youtubevoice1050]

Armed Wombat. That's BS. They only killed malformed babies. No baby is tough. And most of those cities back then were glorified villages by nowadays standards.

[@BlueEyedBot]

Armedwombat and KZbinVoice. The discarding of the children is never something to consider, the Spartans were really intelligent when I came to the human body and looking at population growth there’s never really a lack of it, if fact a woman dying is child birth would give the women a name of where grave (this is one of the best things that can happen to them, only spartan men who die in combat are given names as well) so the spartan population actually grew a lot faster then normal. This whole discarding children thing was only for the children who it was clear they’d live as cripples (or that hunchback thing from 300) and even with that it never seemed there were that man. Not to mention they did this cause they figured they die immediately in combat anyways and be a problems for the army (essentially the discarding children fact doesn’t really matter)

[@fracturedempiricist]

I'm sorry to have to do this, MatPat, but "the Greek isles"? The Peloponnese is the Greek MAINLAND.

[@LemonyFreshPine]

Calling it now, the "choice" in this game will be minimal at best. There will be at most three endings and none of the choices will matter and it comes down to the last few hours of the game. Just saying it's how most "multiple endings" games work.

[@jamesonchampion]

That can somewhat be attributed to the fact that it can be somewhat difficult to create a massively branching narrative in a game focused on gameplay. A game like Detroit: Become Human or Heavy Rain can do a branching narrative because that is the main focus, being that your decisions have consequences that will impact everything else, but those games also have next to no gameplay. Gameplay focused games have to juggle their narrative and engaging gameplay at the same time. Still, you're right, there will probably be very little actual narrative choice in this game

[@mankind2445]

Ever played the Witcher 3? Games got like 60 endings.

[@vibrantdonkey8589]

No, it has 3 endings what are you talking about?

[@mankind2445]

@@vibrantdonkey8589 Every single end to a quest has a different ending, thus a different ending all together. Not to mention the dlcs.

[@troygarza4289]

I have seen the ending. Its pretty META.

[@devoidchain5846]

Whenever I kick something ingame I yell "THIS IS SPARTA"

[@lucasmarsh9841]

I feel like you should mention that Sparta was actually a pretty terrible place to live in and not just because 66% of its population were slaves but that life for the average person consisted mainly of poor food, bad living conditions and almost Constant war and although Athens use slaves to they were not treated anywhere as badly as the Spartans slaves also life for the average person in Athens was much better then for some one in Sparta as well as the fact they paid there Mercenaries far more But there is also a strategic reason for picking Athens as I previously mentioned Spartans were out numbered 3 to 1 by there slaves they weren’t a Warrior culture to conquer ( Well they were at first ) But to stop a full blown uprising to do this they kept there slaves in A perpetual state of fear And beat there slaves ( which included the children) almost constantly I would try to convince The slaves to revolt forcing the Spartans to fight a war on all sides

[@queenannapandagurl4475]

lucas marsh I agree, maybe Athens would not have won but I would rather live on a side that didn't enslave my brother's or be very poor, and I would choose to side with Athens just because they had so many good idea/inventions and the fact they were basically nerds. also I bet you Sparta didn't have many good plays while Athens was basically putting on a Greek version of Hamilton. I'm a theater nerd.

[@hanzohasashi844]

But Spartans are about honor which is what Athens lack

[@tagesylvan3732]

Honor doesn't mater when you fallen far enough to kill someone

[@lucasmarsh9841]

Dragon Dimosthenis ya but most of those wars Athens didn’t start. And even so for most people life was just better after Athens took over.

[@lucasmarsh9841]

Dragon Dimosthenis listen life in the Lower classes of Athens suck ( as did being a slave in Athens) But in Sparta it was just worse the food was worse they where beat more often and if Sparta and Athens both invaded the same City sadistically Sparta would take more slaves

[@iddoshavit3225]

Well if you dig deep, most of the spartan myths quoted here (except the IF part, that was totally real), actually originated in more recent history books. History books that were written after the Spartans had been romanticized for a long time. And so with lack of accurate information about how Sparta really worked, and with romanticizing stories being a human trait, these stories got exaggerated way out of the bounds of reality. In recent years, more accurate research has popped up, and we now know that Sparta wasn't really that cool... But hey, atleast we got some good stories out of it

[@Nestoras_Zogopoulos]

Kinda annoying seeing this from game theory since they research these things a lot more than surface level as done here, but i guess this is sponsored and romanticizing is exactly what sponsors want.

[@maxwhite4177]

So true. These comments are what I was looking for here. People never seem to mention the hundreds of other Greeks who also stood at Thermopylae.

[@notanomnom]

Yopp, the Spartans relied a lot on their reputation to protect themselves, and since they had military victories in the past, they glorifies them to the point where who tf would even try and attack the? And what do contemporary people love glorifying? Strong bois, so the Spartan myth has gotten wayyyy overblown. But yeah, the myth is pretty fuccing awesome.

[@Smiley-zo8rp]

and Athens came back with their eco after they lost

[@ringlhach]

That said, neither was Athens, really. It could be a great place to live, if you were a citizen, meaning a rich, Athenian-born man. For anyone else, well, it sucked about as much as the rest of the world.

[@caijones156]

Sparta wasn't that powerful, they were more of a NK than a USA. Well known for high discipline but not for tech and strategy. Also many writers were very pro spartan or at least made Sparta look more powerful. Alexander's father made a cost benefit choice ( lose 3,000 men for lowly populated area without economic benefits or ignore them)

[@thetruth2258]

How to win a war?? Easy Just ask Ezio Auditore and he will do the rest

[@kellythekitty5190]

Yup

[@EzioAuditore117]

Or other assassins

[@obesepork9620]

Why is everyone commenting this?

[@obesepork9620]

Is Ezio in this theory?

[@thetruth2258]

@@obesepork9620 Its because Ezio has taken out empiresss

[@TheChesireMouse]

I'm missing what the theory is in this video, this was all just facts leading up to an oppinion.

[@idontknowanymore9966]

- TheChesireMouse Idk but cool video i guess

[@greenstuff9361]

He needed something for the sponsorship

[@wanderingursa8184]

Cause it's just an ad for the game. Nothing more.

[@therealjezzyc6209]

Yeah, more of a history lesson than anything.

[@Ceilvia]

I guess the theory was siding with Sparta will lead you to a better ending in Odyssey?

[@UmbraFaux]

Let me just cut to the chase. Mat, the title has nothing to do with the content of the video. In this particular piece, you discuss which side you should join based on some pedantic reasoning. You do not, however, discuss anything having to do with the process of actually winning. There is nothing about strategy, supply lines, technique, combat style, training, armament, etc etc. All you did was show two sides of a video game and told us what they were kinda known for and which side actually won with a bit of extra thrown in. In summary, the video should have been titled: Game Theory: What Side Should You Choose?

[@sapphlol]

UmbraFaux it's because it is a reupload the first one got taken down for some reason

[@PatrickRain0512]

How to win a War? Choose the winners.

[@sendcuddlesplz]

Patrick Rain exactly

[@KennithGrotjohn]

Also, there's no theory in it. At all. So more like "Game: This is a paid advertisement"

[@randomguy3708]

So what was the first one about? As this is now, it's an absolutely pointless video, I like GT but I wasted my time

[@AWESOM3king]

Can’t wait for AC: dinosaurs 🦕 vs 🦖

[@jacktheprince5524]

Do you side with the meteor or the dinosaurs tho?

[@shadowwolf12398]

I’m looking forward to a futuristic assassins creed