Game Theory: Metal Gear Solid’s HIDDEN Virtual Mission!

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METAL GEAR SOLID 3 is one of my favorite games of all time! But this episode isn’t about me gushing over the game. Instead, I wanna talk about the MGS question that has floated around the Internet for years with no answer: Is Metal Gear Solid 3 actually a virtually simulated training mission within the Metal Gear Universe? Well, Loyal Theorists, I've found an answer and the evidence to back it up!
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[@izzy1221]

It's all a simulation? Well I guess...I'M STILL IN A DREAM. SNAKE EATER.

[@andreadesmocedici]

tu du tu tuuuuttttttttttttt ....... (*whispher) Snake Eater

[@ShadowVincent3]

If this theory is to be believed, the words "Still in a dream" become a lot more meaninful...

[@Jooju413]

*Starts humming this now for the next few days*

[@pedrozzza]

Mind = Blown

[@zsstupidvideos6780]

Now I've gotta listen to it

[@Bingbro]

Virtual Mission?

[@3dsBiocle]

Virtuous mission

[@vicentecarrasco6188]

[S-David Hayter voice] Solid Snake? Perfect voice for cool questions btw

[@reidepperson8534]

Virtual Mission.

[@apieceofpaper5747]

Virtual Console

[@veled7856]

No the virtius mission

[@Fuzz82]

There is another thing which is very interesting. In a codec call with the Boss she mentions using the sense of smell to detect enemies. And Naked Snake answers he can't smell.The conversation literally ends with the Boss saying he has to rely on his instincts as a gamer instead.

[@kylenguyen7371]

Initially, we are led to believe this is just a simple easter egg and call-back to Metal Gear Solid 1, where Master Miller (your survival expert for that mission) suggests you do the same when you consult him for advice early in that game. However, if you factor in the following bit from MGS4, it all might begin making a bit more sense.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpS1d6Z-aK6mfrs

[@TrentKaniuga]

This was really fun. I'd never even considered that Snake eater was actually a virtual mission. But given the context of MGSV, it completely makes sense that it's a vr mission for Venom. Except for the fact that VR did not exist in the 80s either. Probably retro lore.

[@joekreissl4499]

My guy neither did massive nuke throwing robots or electrokinetic enemies but they made it in

[@BulletTooth504]

We still don't have nanites in 2020 (that we know of), so I can accept that VR existed on the q.t. in the 1984 of the MGS universe.

[@mekolayn]

They could do it through drugs and hypnosis. Like MK-Ultra

[@montywh]

i know, 2 year old reply, but one thing to remember about the MGS universe. it's in an alternate "what if" timeline where the Cold War didn't end as it did with us. with that kind of tech advancing at that pace, VR could be possible in the 80s, and accessible to the military/government

[@Paul-we5zs]

Also it’s worth mentioning that most of the Cassette tape songs in mgsv are songs that were released after the year 1984 including the Midge Ure cover of “Man Who Sold the World” which is a real cassette tape you get in the game as a form of an item so using the same logic mgsv would be a simulation too

[@LordEmperorBoss]

Snake mentions in MGS2 that VR training recreating past missions tend to be inaccurate.

[@FreyR_Kunn]

Adrià Grau VR Missions’ accuracy wouldn’t changed the experience and Solid probably one because Venom was around 70 years old

[@tomaszskowronski1406]

@Adrià Grau While Snake Eater wasn't real, Phantom Pain was (sadly. great gameplay, so-so story. Twist was good, but the rest-meh and unfinished. It wasn't the missing link we were promised). He actually did all those things we as the player did. By the time of N313 Venom definitelly is a battle hardened veteran. There's one thing about warfare though. A bullet is a bullet, doesn't matter if you are a Green Beret or Vietcong, Delta or Somali, Navy Seal or Taliban. Doesn't matter how good you are, it rips through the body the same way. You're lucky or you're not. You're in the right place and time or not. We don't know which one was better. We just know that at the end one of them was standing, and the other was not.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

@@tomaszskowronski1406 Not gonna lie, I just read that in Snake's voice.

[@nichsa8984]

russian and usa and it's a now japanse

[@dorksdomain8355]

That’s also around 15 years of advancements no?

[@Ollgabopi]

There is a good reason why Roy campbell is the one talking at the "time paradox" scene. In Japan the actor who plays Roy campbell is also the same guy who provided the voice for doc in back to the Future... So it's a funny Easter egg for Japanese people, while in the rest of the world its just Roy, and the Easter egg dosent really translate :D

[@mrrein9550]

The voice for Roy Campbell is voice by Paul Eiding . Doc in back to the future was played by Christopher Lloyed.

[@NexusWulf]

That is why he said the JAPANESE voice actor.

[@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32]

God, now I'm imagining Roy Campbell voiced Christopher llyod

[@armayafox1328]

mr Rein Japanese dub actor. Not live actor.

[@dethkon]

Tsyumamatsu TheHavenofGuardia “Great Scott! Boss, we have to go back!” “Slow down, Colonel. Go back where?” “To the Future!” “What are you talking about?” “It’s about your kids, Boss!“ “I have kids?” ... (Metal Gear 1 begins)

[@jessemagooo5942]

If u wait long enough time paradox appears after every death I think

[@thebachiever234]

Yes it does

[@Kyle_P]

Yes... it would help if someone at GT played the games instead of looking too much up. That appears after every death. The voice line is the unique part.

[@aldilast2528]

Because Snake isnt suposed to died?

[@yaboylitty6732]

@@aldilast2528 exactly

[@TazmilyGum]

yes it does. but everyone always says it only happens after ocelot's. by the way that was just kojima being meta and joking around. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE STORY.

[@minipurpleguy]

"we managed to avoid drowning." "good job soldier!"

[@henkkutsu5364]

THEY PLAYED US LIKE DAMN FIDDLE!

[@epiclolito8226]

...Literally.

[@bengamerlsyolo6788]

GIVE IT BACK! THIS ISENT RIGHT THAT WAS OURS!

[@LaVolpeWhy]

When people say they miss the old game theory, *THIS* is what they're talking about, Matt. I understand that you won't be making videos on things that aren't on topical subjects often, but damn, this episode was plausible as hell. I really enjoyed this one and I can tell that you really enjoyed writing it.

[@launchbase4944]

This.

[@pony_OwO]

i really enjoyed this episode

[@47STREET474747]

It is well done however he didn't take all info in account around the topic which pretty much debunks it, atleast partialy.

[@MasterTr33]

Right? His have been hit or miss recently but this was a great one

[@travisprescott9708]

La Volpe Never noticed when he changed, but ok

[@mads_in_zero]

The time paradox line is only because Campbell's Japanese VA was the dub voice for Doc Emmett Brown in Back to the Future. Like a LOT of things in MGS, it's nothing more than a quick movie reference.

[@mads_in_zero]

The CalorieMate, similarly, was part of a Japanese advertising campaign tie in with MGS3, featuring Naked Snake and CalorieMates. Knowing this series, it's really not that hard to see it's just a deliberate anachronism

[@mads_in_zero]

Fun fact, the Boss' gun, The Patriot, fires bullets that tumble through the air. This is incorrect, and arose as a result of Kojima misunderstanding how that kind of gun would work. That is to say, the other anachronisms are far more likely to be mistakes. (The series chronology has *many* retcons all over)

[@mads_in_zero]

In fact, re: the pen gun... if a book gun and a phone gun existed, is it really so far fetched for Major Zero to mention a pen gun off the top of his head?

[@jimmimus]

@@mads_in_zero A barrel that short would make 55 grain 5.56 tumble

[@aaronmtzs1]

He's trying really hard to fit the pieces together, but lacks true evidence

[@leacomprado1464]

I have a thing that can support your theory: Metal Gear Solid 3 doesn't have Virtual Missions

[@callmezeldaonemoartime]

But it's 1964

[@string9004]

@@callmezeldaonemoartime So?

[@pl0xie494]

@@callmezeldaonemoartime So?

[@mannyrivera1516]

Yes Lea Comprado is right its hidden in mgs2 as he said its a roleplaying game and raiden never seeing colonel in person And Also vr training gives us also a clue

[@ericfieldman]

I have no idea if this means anything, but the guy in the beginning that pulls you out of the hospital is voiced by Kiefer Sutherland (voice of MSG5 snake) and I swear when he fixes your broken arm the scream sounds almost exactly like David Hayter. Could be nothing but I think it's interesting.

[@Sahasrahla.]

5:00 that's just a nod to the fact that the series has included virtual missions in previous games. It wasn't a hiccup in the script so much as another wink wink from Kojima. 6:10 someone does know the future, it's YOU, the player. More Kojima 4th wall-breaking stuff. The ability to kill Ocelot is in there because of all the attention to detail stuff you mentioned earlier. Same as the "you ate meeee!" soldier. It should also be noted that any form of game over including Snake dying results in "game over" turning into "time paradox", just no lecture from the colonel. The JFK Special Warfare Center is a good catch, as that appears to be an actual historical inaccuracy rather than a gag or a nod. Are you sure it was built in 1982 though? Everything I've found seems to suggest it was just renamed in that year. Calorie Mate is an anachronism too sure, but that's obviously also a gag since soviet troops likely weren't issued anything like that even in the 80's. They also ran ad campaigns in conjunction with the game much like MGS4 did with Regain 24. The James Bond conversation, I think he may have just been using a pen gun as an example, since he also suggests creating a gun shaped like a giant man-eating snake. After all, Dr. No and From Russia With Love, the only two movies that were out at the time, weren't very gadget-heavy, and then there's his line about not being surprised if they made 20 or so more of the movies (again, a 4th wall breaking nod to the player) which he would know they were well on their way to doing if he was from the 80's. Venom had Big Boss' skills because he had the same training as him, being a member of BB's Militaires Sans Frontiers army. They stated somewhere in game that he was one of the best soldiers in the army and that's part of why he was chosen. He didn't learn the skills while in a coma, he already had them before the crash. The memories were "implanted" in him via the same method Ocelot used to allegedly make himself think he was possessed by Liquid Snake in MGS4, drugs and hypnotherapy. Apart from that, the video does make a few interesting observations such as many of the anachronisms coming from around 1983. It'd be pretty difficult to establish a solid (ha) theory based on things in game though, since Kojima enjoys addressing the player directly and breaking the 4th wall so often. This was probably the most enjoyable theory in awhile though.

[@Smoof5]

Right on the nose.

[@47shadows76]

Thoroughly debunked! 👏Well Played 👏

[@ammarsiddiqui3602]

Solo lllooooong

[@paulocuento9949]

but then again... its just a theory.... a game theory!

[@SuperGeronimo999]

Yeah, the JFK Special Warfare Center has NOT been built in 1982... its been known as United States Army Psychological Warfare Center and School in 1952. In 1956, its been U.S. Army Center for Special Warfare/U.S. Army Special Warfare School and in 1969 its been the United States Army Institute for Military Assistance. That's when they started to include training for HALO jumps, by the way...

[@MG9K]

Some neat info in here MatPat but they way Venom Snake received all of Big Boss's memories IS explained in MGSV. It's on the cassette tape "Doublethink" from The Truth Records. that you get when you finish mission 46. The tape is under "The Truth" section. It has Ocelot talking to the real Big Boss, who reveals that Ocelot, not Campbell, is the one who gave Venom all of Boss's memories through hypnotherapy/ psychosis, not a virtual simulation. It is the same technique Ocelot uses later in the series to mentally change himself into Liquid. Ocelot reveals this the end of MGS4. This was a bit of a big detail that was unfortunately missed for this theory. The sound clip of Campbell is from a comedy short called "Snake Eraser". Which features Raiden going back in time to get rid of Big Boss so that he could be the main character. Every time Raiden messes up, Campbell would say "You've created a time paradox!" Snake Eraser was found in the secret theatre of MGS3.

[@Variocom]

MD Right. He also never explained to connection to Cambell, who never met BB (cannonically any way, because mgs portable ops isn't counted as cannon, since Kojima didn't directly work on it. Speaking of that, Ocelot doesn't show up in all of the main games, since he isn't in Peace Walker.)

[@MG9K]

Variocom Yep. I believe Kojima has gone on record to say that aspects of Portable Ops are canon. If there is anything in Portable Ops conflicts with the Kojima canon, the Kojima cannon is correct and to ignore Portable Ops.

[@klovasoszenovka]

Sure that would help with implanting his personality and important memories. But it wouldn't help a medic be as combat capable as Big Boss. I think this theory still has a spot next to the hynotherapy/psychosis

[@greenhedgehog5000]

klovasoszenovka All of big boss's soldiers would be trained in CQC. It's not unreasonable to imagine one of them, even a medic, could be as good as him, especially one with Snake's memories implanted.

[@ozzyarroyo2171]

in short because campbells voice was heard it was not venom snake but Raiden that recieved the training of big boss' operation.

[@jmountain6691]

You know sometimes Easter Eggs are non canon, and when the game breaks the 4th wall it’s insuring the player (you) is a safe distance away or understands the controls

[@Redstar2613]

Yep. And that's (partly) why this theory is ridiculous.

[@sezeonerdagod]

have you even played the game... at that point its the AI trying to trick you into turning off your console. not... insuring you're a safe distance away...lmfao.......

[@awesomedata8973]

Grammar Nazi warning: -- The correct (root) word is "ensure" (which means to make certain of), not "insure" (which is to arrange for compensation in the event of loss or damage). The more you know.

[@sezeonerdagod]

@@awesomedata8973 no wat da heck ensure is a weight loss supplement lier

[@erichvalger141]

@@awesomedata8973 You phrased that really weird, but I know *exactly* what you mean.

[@thefattestmomo9260]

11:04 "BUT HOW??!" NANOMACHINES SON!

[@diegofranceschin2949]

and some kind of ipnosis from Ocelot

[@OraDubStronzate2]

There's just one problem: Roy Capbell. Roy Campbell, except his first encounter with Big Boss in Portable Ops, will work with him only in 1990 (6 years after the events of MGSV) , and in the time gab between MGSPO and MSGV he was in an hospital and then joining the delta force. So there's no way he would be (with his "elderly" voice) surveiling venom snake. That makes, unfortunatelly, no sense.

[@skat0rzZzz]

Lay off the crack, mate. Hormone therapy and a boob job make them look more feminine than any other woman

[@joenuts8312]

Penngrove Cartwright gg

[@rchqrd3900]

Mesut Bektaş Kojima himself said portable ops isnt canon, the only canon game are MG, MG2 solid snake, MGS1,2,3,4 MGSPW and MGSV

[@WinstonPoptart]

Orion - Web Dubbing Here's another problem, why would a simulation that's supposed to be in 1964 have things from the 80's programmed into it? Wouldn't the programmers of the simulation know that's wrong? Why keep something invalid in there?

[@Kayn_The_Shadow_Reaper]

Orion - Web Dubbing mgspo is after snake eater and before peace walker not after V

[@malikbarbrie5257]

Metal Gear? More like "META GEAR!" I'll see myself out now.

[@ianfox4966]

We need a new spin off like wooden gear, plaster gear, and plastic gear, snakes uglyer dissapointing children

[@justsomeguyontheinternet3822]

Legend says snake is still climbing the ladder.......

[@juanescobar138]

“Virtual mission” is a reference to the VR MISSIONS in MGS2 People like to jump the gun a lot

[@juanescobar138]

But then again it is a theory. So no disrespect to this channel. The Metal gear series is just too much to handle haha

[@blackobars2240]

But is that not his point? That just like the VR missions in MGS2, MGS3 is one big VR mission? I mean it explains why in MGSV venom snake just knows how to use CQC and believes he is Big Boss. But hey its a theory

[@jamsjams1111]

@@blackobars2240 He went through heavy hypno therapy in the beginning of mgsv

[@CryWolf0651]

@@jamsjams1111 yes, but how does one go through hypno therapy when they are unconscious for 9 years without the help of technology? Ergo, MGS3 was a training simulator for Venom Snake in MGSV

[@jamsjams1111]

@@CryWolf0651 Black magic I dunno

[@okRegan]

A simulation, in a simulation, INSIDE ANOTHER SIMULATION

[@cadewatson3009]

Kurineko Inside a taco, inside a taco, inside a Taco Bell, inside a KFC, inside a mall, INSIDE YOUR MIND!!!!!

[@user-yz7cd9eb4c]

Grass tastes bad

[@Sveill]

SIMCEPTION!!!!!

[@tadpolegaming4510]

Under a pineapple that's under a pineapple that's

[@Super_Black1]

Straight outta saints row 4

[@ActualRealJohnJack]

The main reason the "virtual mission" line seemed out of place for me was that the game took place in the 1960s and there was no such thing as a virtual mission or virtual anything back then

[@quincyking010]

TheTrackDownTeam In the mtg time line there actually was vr simulation as early as the 50s because that is how naked snake was trained though they weren't on par with Raiden's vr training, the fox hound unit had high tech equipment that surpassed the time period

[@Ekusu11]

Well... we also still don't have bipedal, nuclear warheads equiped, 13 meter big mechs running around... luckily xD

[@launchbase4944]

you know, this is very wrong for the mgs series

[@Ekusu11]

BTW that's what I was refering to, MGSs timeline and tech is very different from the real world

[@quincyking010]

also the virtual mission line could actually be a hint to the twist that the boss isn't a bad guy because the definition of virtual is almost as described but not completely as

[@curlyfries1377]

la-li-lu-le-lo is uttered by revolver ocelot in mgsv if you shoot him with a tranq dart in the fulton training mission

[@Exzcgal]

but you can't, he just says he was trained to be used to the drug and can't go to sleep like that.

[@voxpattamkinpsalmvalkidts2543]

@@Exzcgal keep shooting him

[@eisenkrahe7125]

@@voxpattamkinpsalmvalkidts2543 "Well, He might have been trained not to sleep, But you can't train how not to overdose!" - Nakd Snek

[@LocalLibertarian]

Game game theory

[@janielouw6488]

Or it is just Kojima being Kojima referenceing pop culture

[@katherynporcelain7164]

Also if you die it will say time paradox

[@jeremyshere5942]

StuckDucks how would it shorten his theory? It wouldn't have debunked it in any way.

[@kobeclips]

6:44

[@DIEFIESEDEM0]

Captain Depression!!!! If every death would say time paradox then it would be to obvious that something is off

[@GreerL0319]

Katheryn porcelain he said that

[@5-Volt]

It happens if you kill EVA too.

[@cheapthought9200]

Ill buy that snake eater was a VR mission, but i think its more likely that Raiden was the one doing the mission, would explain why its Roy Cambels voice talking about a paradox, and the odd "raiden" mask you get. Also in a conversation over the codex with para medic, big boss/snake mentions that he has a fear of vampires, and that if someone mentions them, he gets nightmares. Might be a possible connection to Raidens big enemy Vamp

[@cheapthought9200]

Great theory though ^_^

[@zivpeltz]

yeah that works alot better then his theory

[@HazmanFTW]

That's what I thought it would be, I know Roy Campbell is about due to him being in Portable Ops, which is set in 1974, but I don't know how much interaction Campbell had with BB until Foxhound. It would make more sense to be either Solid Snake or Raiden

[@HazmanFTW]

Yeah I know that's why, it could just be a nod to the player and having Campbell say the line makes sense as in MGS1 and 2 Campbell is the one I always think of when you die.

[@somecasualtonic4140]

Cheap Thought now THIS is how you make correct commentary that's not just some sweaty fatass that knows everything about mgs. This is a very well made comment. You did well not being a fatass loser sir

[@BayOfWulf]

guy: “something something game” snake: “LIFE’S NOT REEEEEEEEAAAAALLLLLLL”

[@muffinshorts7205]

Well if in metal gear solid V and the year is 1984 Then why the radio box plays TAKE ON ME it came from 1986 Am I missing something?

[@aujikhadra4369]

Oh yeahh........ Wait a minute?..... WHAAAAAAATTTTT????!!!😲😲😲😲

[@amonkey4707]

*_T I M E P A R A D O X_*

[@masonlay3380]

isn't the beginning of the game in the hospital two years before the actual game starts?

[@agenttexas3334]

Mason Lay well no

[@agenttexas3334]

Well it could just to be a training mind test but for solid snake

[@CaptainLeowtha]

Big Boss taught all of the MB members during Peace Walker CQC. Veterans of MSF are all good at CQC (provided they're skilled at combat) and can even surpass Big Boss himself, having S++ ranks available.

[@unluckyspade7897]

If you listened to the tapes you get at the end of MGSV it was ocelot who turned the medic into venom snake, not campbell.

[@jerrysans423]

Hawk Strider 6:10 - 6:40. If you play MGSV they talk about how they hypnotize the medic to have Snakes memories and skills. Also, that's why Ocelot says La-li-lu-le-lo because he is also hypnotize for saying something else.

[@ewin608]

Jerry sans **Cough Cough** The Patriot's **Cough Cough**

[@kydentrenton1428]

you wanna know what disproves the venom got his memorys from big boss simulations part? they state in phantom pain he got hypnotherapy to get the memorys after he was placed in a medically induced coma

[@samuels.2411]

well virtual simulation can be used as hypnotherapie i think if it is real enough.

[@JZjzred]

So he was "Still in a dream"?

[@connermcgrath9986]

The only reason calorie mate was in the game was not to break the future, but because Hideo Kajima was sponsored by it.

[@dafilmqueen556]

He still got MatPat's attention for that, so really, who's the winner here? 😂

[@JH-lb6qf]

It's official Kojima is more American than all of us. Kojima 2020.

[@Focie]

So, this was an interesting episode, but there are also a lot of problems with it. You're explaining Campbell being in the time paradox as a simulation, yet Campbell wasn't around at that time either. Sure he was in MGS Portable Ops, but his voice is that of an old man. AI system wasn't in place either, so that's hard to do. As for the CQC elements, every soldier Snake trains in the Big Boss saga knows it. It's hard to do, but being instructed by the dude who invented it has to help, hence the medic would know it as well. As for the historical innacuracies... Why would Zero, as meticulous ad he is, add a comment about the boss training in a fascility being made literally last year? He wouldn't be like "oh yes, that makes sense! I really want to let him know about that random place". The inaccuracies don't stop there either. Look at the Les Enfants Terribles project. Liquid, with his blond hair and Solid with his Brown hair are being passed off as dominant and recessive gene clones. Which... Is also pretty inaccurate. Calorie mate was a brand deal. Virtuous mission vs. Virtual mission is probably just a little script choice as we had the same corny effect in Metal Gear Solid 2 with the "did you just say nerd?"-line Raiden spouts. And mind you. Raiden, for all his VR training and all that... Was keenly aware it was VR. For him to undergo the transformation into becoming like Snake, he had to relive the same things pretty much, only in real time. If they couldn't hypnotically transform him into Solid Snake in 2005-ish, a dude who used to eat gunpowder to dull his senses... How'd Zero do it in 1983/84? Just because he was in a coma? They could've put Raiden in a coma too. All in all... Fantastic episode. I know these aren't to be the one true theory or whatever, but more a way to make you think outside the box, and that made it really interesting. For me personally, I wouldn't say it's very plausible, but the episode is really good none the less. Thanks!

[@MeteorFalcon]

Focie Liquid does have all the recessive genes and Solid has the dominant. The thing is, the Soldier gene is a recessive trait. (Ocelot implies this at the end of MGS1).

[@FearfulPerson]

I doubt that Zero would have been that involved because of what Skull Face did to him

[@Jamesmor999]

no Liquid has the dominant genes Solid has all the recessive that is implied in MGS 4.

[@Jolene007]

MeteorFalcon Liquid did have the “dominant” genes, he just assumed he didn’t because he doesn’t look like Big Boss. Kojima doesn’t know how genes work.

[@Caldera01]

Dang, made a very similar reply myself, seems like I was late quite a bit. Still, missed out on the nightmare Naked has in the prison and the fact that MGS3 wasmeant to be the finale of the series. Wouldn't make sense to tie up the finale with a 'fake' game.

[@mooseactual5501]

This is easily my favorite episode you have done, in my opinion of course. Thank you for a satisfying full circle explanation with two of my favorite games.

[@chrisbutler1668]

The "Time Paradox" occurs because, as you said, Ocelot is featured in every other major MGS title, so if you kill him in the past, he can't then be a part of all of the future games. It is a 4th wall breaker, but its simply an example of the butterfly effect in action.

[@pantherking8269]

We have managed to avoid drowning...sir 😁😂🤣🤣 😐😑good job

[@ProtoMario]

Only 15 years late...

[@user-us5lw7mt2v]

ProtoMario kept you waiting, huh?

[@shahinmehrabi2828]

Makenshi Nuvem Branca HAHAHHAA

[@arsxne]

Metal Gear Solid 5 just became free on PS4, so I assume that's why he's doing a Metal Gear Solid theory

[@riskyumbrella4874]

ProtoMario what is your profile pic?

[@4XDepressionx]

ProtoMario seems like someone is butthurt

[@bobfredrick4382]

The drum mag at 4:24 was introduced in 1987, after both the games you mentioned, so the people programming the simulation would have no idea something like that can and will exist. Just something weird I noticed.

[@Mitcheck315]

It's been a while since I played mgs3 but if I remember correctly there's a codec conversation that explains that the drum mag is essentially a one of a kind prototype

[@goroakechi6126]

This is a universe with bionic arms kicking around in the mid 80s. I think a drum mag just after the Cuba-Turkey nuclear crisis is reasonable.

[@Liggliluff]

(6:00) Considering how many secret cutscenes there are ... if you kill Ocelot, that should trigger some cutscenes too; give alternative scenes from future games or something.

[@Scorpionoxide]

A weapon to surpass metal gear... Tai Lopez: KNAWLEDGE

[@tenacityxl]

Scorpionoxide dead meeeeme

[@strumvappyii161]

Yup knowledge created hydrogen bombs sooooo.....

[@Scorpionoxide]

not sundk you have to keep me out of reach from children

[@natsudragneele.n.d8353]

Yep

[@the_jingo]

Portacus Maughan metal gear shoot hydrogen bomb sooooo.....

[@Saint_Xavious]

Snake:"virtual mission?" Zero: "no, virtuous mission" Snake:"virtual mission?"

[@cooldude5611]

the whole virtual mission statement is also mentioned back in mgs2 "did you say nerd?" "not nerd, node" the time paradox is basically self-explanatory if you ever played any of the older games. Ocelot appears in all of them, so it would be ridiculous to have it as an option to kill him, especially considering how in-dept the story is. according to ollgabopi: "In Japan the actor who plays Roy campbell is also the same guy who provided the voice for doc in back to the Future... So it's a funny Easter egg for Japanese people, while in the rest of the world its just Roy, and the Easter egg dosent really translate :D" so that debunks the entire Colonel theory ok the calorie-mate you got me, but it could just be a marketing strategy or an easter egg the rest is pretty concrete evidence aha.

[@LocalLibertarian]

Yes your not a nerd just over explaining

[@priestofronaldalt]

This is just the most accurate comment

[@dafilmqueen556]

Ok, but all that is the real-world explanation for the anachronisms. What MatPat is explaining is the in-world explanation. The theory may be ridiculous, and the anachronistic nature of the game may be done as Easter eggs and hilarious in-jokes, but if you don't have an explanation to justify all that, what's the point?

[@thehedgehogsdilemma9478]

Considering that Metal Gear Solid: Sons Of Liberty is hinted that it might actually be a Virtual Reality Simulation all along that Raiden thinks is real and is actually just reliving events from his past in VR (if his past isn’t also an illusion for all we know) it would make perfect sense that Hideo Kojima would go into the next game immediately after with a similar idea. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest.

[@filipeflower]

This theory is just an excuse to get people's attention. Don't pay too much attention to it.

[@AK907LSD25]

It's not hinted that's literally the plot of mgs2

[@Idiotocin]

3:34 "Whose combat attire is so ridiculous not even I can come up with a theory as to how it's tactically advantageous." She pulls down the zipper of her costume in the end of the game to show Snake the C-section scar she has, when she is talking about how she gave birth on the battlefield and her child was taken from her. The entire rest of the game up until that point she has it closed. You even show gameplay footage where she clearly has her costume closed. And is it even really "_so_ ridiculous"? It's one flaw on an otherwise standard costume.

[@Idiotocin]

no thanks

[@tformerdude6788]

STOP ADVERTISING, EKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@JulianCedar]

A C-SECTION scar that high? Those are some fucked up doctors

[@un4039]

Maybe he was referring to it being a bright white color!

[@robertst.pierre1341]

and she usaly wears a cloak over it

[@MidnightKingL]

Just wanted to add that the medic was in MSF, and in Peace Walker all those guys know CQC. Big Boss mentions Venom was THE best soldier in the group and there are plenty of soldier with higher stats then Snake. So I don't think it would take a whole VR mission to convince him he's Big Boss. A deep coma and hypnosis would be enough, at least in the Metal Gear verse.

[@sepo8171]

Yea and i don't think in that year had VR training , just field training like CQC.

[@acid4546]

soldier* coma*

[@ODDiSEE_]

I think Matt only played some of the main line games lol

[@TheMack1987]

Revolver Ocelot wasn't in the Original MSX Games

[@outerbliss5983]

TheMack1987 I believe he met the solid series games

[@serenity9260]

because he is training liquid. remember ending of mgs5? miller and ocelot wants to choose which BB son they want to side with and Miller chose Solid and train him,so did Ocelot train Liquid

[@RisuTheMan]

I don't think the Virtuous mission was a memory designed for Venom, but it is pretty much a certified fact that Ground Zeroes was a memory fabricated to venom so that venom Trusts Kaz after the peacewalker incident

[@johnfkennedyinanopentopcar8976]

All the games are simulations the events themselves do happen but the games are simulations

[@dodbiorun7065]

"I GIVE MY LIFFEE NOT FOR HONOR BUT FOR YOUUUUU

[@kylenguyen7371]

I'm still...in a dream... SNAKE EATER!

[@wiggleduck2814]

someday you go through the rain

[@andreadesmocedici]

Probably a Nod to Medic who became human shield to save Big Boss

[@carbayoutube4230]

Btw MTGSV The Phantom Pain is free on. Playstation plus

[@olmogiovannini822]

In fact I just got an immense spoiler from this video...

[@TexelGuy]

+Mad Hatter You can still play the game, the gameplay is amazing too.

[@user-qt7nj1gi1f]

NANI?!

[@jonkoxl2069]

ExScyther Kansei Dorifto?

[@olmogiovannini822]

TessellatedGuy Yeah, I'm enjoying it a lot, but I liked even the story...

[@dgs0296]

Says that Death Stranding is leaving him in the dark 2 years later Death Stranding is just as confusing as before

[@j.l.3685]

Kojima should have never made that pile of trash. Tarnished his legacy. Meanwhile everbody continues to take a massive dump on Konami

[@lavegaify]

I’m fking high, and this just made me question everything 😂

[@beanface7408]

Police would like to know your location

[@deusexcapsicum1368]

Thumbnail: *Metal Gear isn't real!* I could have never guessed that! Was it the giant robots, ninja ciborgs or electric superhumans?

[@jarednunes3263]

The weapons were from after 1984.

[@heythatguyalex]

You're that ninja...

[@19rick91abc]

MGS2 is really underrated. I wasn't really a fan when it was first released, but in hindsight it's probably one of the best games in the series, and Raiden is one of the best characters. If anyone doesn't believe me then just look into it.

[@SomeGuy_Somewhere]

Raiden is basically the player in terms of how he acts, speaks and is treated.

[@robertst.pierre1341]

its one of thoe game where you play it when your younger you understand it one way then when you play it when your older you undertand it anotherway\

[@Xamry]

For me it's been my fave game of them all, so this comment is pushing my rambling button! I never got to it until 2008 but I was convinced that was my all-time fave, despite the confusing plot. I was annoyed by how little Snake gameplay there was but I somehow learned to get over it. I guess the quality of the cutscenes - cinematics and overall content - served enough justice to where I didn't resent not having Snake's action. When I saw Raiden in MGS4 I felt so bad for having crapped on him so much for being the protagonist of MGS2 because he ended up being one of my fave characters and I nearly liked him more than [Solid] Snake! But you're right. I feel MGS2 was underrated because people just didn't understand it and they were just thinking too much like fanboys because of a simple tweak with the protagonist role.

[@robertst.pierre1341]

when it fisrt came out the trailer were showing snake in the plant chapter but it add a layer to how interchangable the protag is ( like how its a recreation of shadow moses Game said something simler ) so alot of people who say hat trailer didnt like the game cuz of raiden

[@leons.kennedy2747]

People bitch about "muh Snake" but if you play Substance than you can literally play as Snake in EVERY SINGLE PART of the game (aside from sniping Vamp [who cares about that lel], strut jumping [because Snake rolls instead of cartwheels] and the stupid underwater parts).

[@MrKanibaal]

You gave the world something we thought we would never have to see...but yet I want a full movie from you guys.

[@Satsu990]

I'd like to point out that the virtuous mission/virtual mission thing as a hint of anything at all is about as meaningful as raiden mishearing "node" with "nerd" somehow near the start of MGS2, other than that it's likely just a reference to the existence of VR missions in the other games. also, if my memory serves me well, technically venom snake was mentioned to have consented to becoming a clone of big boss knowingly, the whole process just involved his memories getting effectively replaced so after the fact he wouldn't have remembered even that part of his past self. that all aside, while calorie mates on their own could just be explained away as product placement outside of any real continuum, all the chronological inconsistencies put together with MGSV's place on the timeline, this actually sounds like a plausible theory for once.

[@ArgKnoxville86]

Wasn't the "Virtual mision" a nod to the first MGS game? In any case the Calorie Mate was there because it was a sponsor, there were even comercials about it. It is not an error in continuity, it was intended. The Ocelot Game Over screen was definetly an easter egg. The JFK and the Bond things... You got me there Mat, I would need some research.

[@thatonetrainer5818]

Mauro De Simone also happens if big boss dies or solcalov which i probably spelled wrong

[@conaireparsons9672]

or maybe this is how Kojima worked a sponsorship in while still making sense. if he just wanted to throw something in willy-nilly then he would have just said "here are some experimental rations blah blah blah". it's not hard to work stuff like that in without ruining continuity. but he chose to specifically do these things. also what if the game over screen isn't an easter egg. did the developers ever come out and say "oh yah that's just an easter egg with no deeper meaning." or are you just assuming that it is and screaming "I HAVE A DIFFERENT IDEA OF WHAT THIS INFO MEANS SO YOUR WRONG!" I cant say for certine MatPat is right but you cant say for certin that he is wrong ether. thats what makes it... wait for it... A GAME THEORY!

[@ghostlygoo2750]

You're not giving Kojima enough credit, the man's a genius, this whole theory may not be far from the truth. Just look at the universe he created with this game, in fact, I wouldn't even be surprised if it was a virtual mission : )

[@ShakedLevyMusic]

Mauro De Simone .

[@thelivingglitch307]

Speaking of MGSV, I would love to see Matpat do a theory on how much development Mother Base go through while still being a covert business and only getting resources from Snake's operation areas and/or combat deployment.

[@michaeltorres1263]

Woa, that would be super interesting

[@EvilExcalibur]

...yeah that would actually be a really good one

[@Kobratero]

Well it's not "just" Venom that builds up the Mother Base and FOB's. They are still mercenaries, a private army that has contracts from top governments around the world. They surely can afford it, maybe the construction time is "unrealistic" but I think buliding a base like that would be possible.

[@BadassRaiden]

Hell yeah. Do that next matpat!

[@michaeltorres1263]

You certainly have a point Brango Biggins. The assistance from contracts and such helped in the development of mother base, though I believe you may be missing what TheLivingGlitch is saying. I think what he/she means is that even though their business and power in the area was growing, how come other governments weren't taking much notice to them. For example, like investigations or calling for reports from the base. Even though this holds true for the game, their is still the initial investigation that leads into the game and the eventual destruction of mother base in the beginning, which should be taken into account.

[@TDD1988]

Awesome as usual. Small suggestion : add a "spoiler alert" in the intro of the video bcse you spoiled a major plot twist of MGS V (Snake not being Snake) when I just started the game. Anyway, thanks for the entertainment ! Byyyye !

[@bronsoncarder2491]

I mean... That's kind of on you. Don't watch things about games you haven't played yet if you want to avoid spoilers. lol

[@TheAssassin2299]

@@bronsoncarder2491 Especially when the first five minutes clearly shouts FUTURE EVENTS FROM FUTURE GAMES

[@dafilmqueen556]

Bro, the background music in this video is so awesome. Out of all the music, my favorite is the one that starts at 10:16, right as we get onto Metal Gear Solid V, and ends at 12:05. Question: Is this music actually part of the game, or is it exclusive to this video?

[@TonyAvalosGTA]

Actually, Venom Snake undergoes hypnotherapy from Ocelot during his coma to "remember" things about his past. Planting fake memories as if he was the true Big Boss as he would know certain stuff others couldn't. After completing the storyline of MGSV, you can listen to various cassette tapes surrounding the incident and the coma. Big Boss actually ends up choosing the medic as he was the one who went with him on missions, not Zero. Zero only ends up saving Big Boss's life in hiding his location in a secret hospital until Skullface figures out their location (i.e. the hospital attack). Remember, MSF trains every soldier with CQC straight from Big Boss.The theory could fit well as if WE the audience were the soldier being trained by reliving Snake Eater.

[@chaosdirge4906]

It could be possible that Snake eater was a VR training mission for Raiden though.

[@TastyCarcass]

The medic is supposed to represent the audience, so yeah

[@thecringeprince2040]

Chaosdirge That could make sense yeah. But my question is why they would bother having Raiden take a simulation of Solid Snake (the inferior clone mind you) and not just Big Boss sims all the way.

[@OskrKok]

Operation snake eater wasn't declassified until 2012 - 2013. Hence why Raiden can't use CQC in MGS2 (story-wise)

[@P_O58]

TonyAvalosGTA a

[@animeodin4755]

MATPAT KILLED OCELOT!!!! = TIME PARADOX!!!!!

[@TosaSamurai]

Prove Kojima is the best game developer of all time. Layers of secrets hidden in plain sight.

[@cantguessimanonymous1250]

Or big boss is a beast and just took the explosion

[@wapiti7151]

nope.

[@pl0xie494]

@@wapiti7151 Yeah Baby!

[@Secretforest100]

Medic didn't go under CQC training, he already had that as he was the best soldier in MSF (just as good as Big Boss, if not better)

[@David-nq8cv]

Yep and with the memory implants of Big boss into him he learned most of naked snakes skills and memories

[@savionramsundar1935]

yea, this video shows a relatively shitty theory. if you look at big boss' skills in peace walker, they are all S ranked. Venom Snake's in phantom pain only show A++.

[@Hydraclone]

He's not as good as Big Boss at all. If his stats don't give it away, then look at your recoil. Ground Zeroes: Virtually no recoil with almost no bullet deviation. MGSV: Both of these things. Snake has a massive amount of skill compared to the medic. Hell, if you take Solid Snake from MGS4, even as an old man, he still has more control of his gun than Venom. Venom was the best BB had, but he's not better than the legendary soldiers themselves.

[@Godzillarex]

Great video! And really cool connection to MGSV. I didn't really enjoy the whole "twist ending" of MGSV, but the way you presented it makes it kind of make sense.

[@robertst.pierre1341]

but snake was trying to hide from Zero due to a idological difference

[@imdeath6132]

also is METAL GEAR SOLID *V* means VENOME SNAKE

[@StellarLobos]

The twist ending for MGSV (keep in mind that it is the last game in the franchise) actually is meant to clean up the earliest two games in the franchise, Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake (before Metal Gear Solid). In MG, you have a fistfight with Big Boss and "kill him," but he returns in Metal Gear 2. The twist ending in MGSV was meant to show that you killed Venom Snake (the medic with Big Boss's memories) first in MG, then the real Big Boss in MG2, which takes place in the fictional country Big Boss leaves to build after the hospital invasion called Zanzibarland AKA Outer Heaven.

[@blakechandler167]

Godzillarex I loved the ending it connected to the rest of the games and it blew my mind.

[@theclawyaww3740]

Ok

[@hopelessent.1700]

3:40 that combat attire is purposeful to deflect bullets. The game had The Boss open up her suit to show that she bared a child and that child was taken from her. The ending is quite weird however as the snake scar slithers away when she is in her last moments.

[@maccheesepookamusic2chill224]

Uuh Zero is not the one who did the body double my guy that was Big bosses idea and ocelot. Zero is the reason snake got genetically cloned and thus Solid, Solidus,&Liquid were born

[@davidmb3376]

Listen to the tapes buddy. Zero created the phantom and Big Boss had to be convinced to go along with it

[@Logini1]

Any one else stay till the end of the video and see the box move?

[@tadpolegaming4510]

Yep

[@raziel258]

Nosteponsnek

[@archangel9727]

Logan z we act like we don't to make him feel better.

[@sunflowerthebunbunbunny]

Logan z - I will now!

[@rays5073]

Logan z ❕

[@tomoekoga4220]

THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAME FIDDLE!!!

[@blackhawk65589]

She played me like a piano

[@rvrocelot]

WOUHOAAAAAAAAAA

[@liamk3451]

oh man... *dame* fiddles are too much for me to handle... i think i need to sit down...

[@blackhawk65589]

I herd u lik mudkips

[@jesusmoist]

Now that style theory is up we can easily figure out the tacticality of the Boss’ uniform

[@EXHellfire]

you could have totally recorded Naked Snake climbing the ladder and showed it real time in a corner to compare video length with the theory itself

[@plagueroach]

Wait doesn't that mean the venom snake would think ocelot is a bad guy from the simulation of snakes legendary mission?

[@andreadesmocedici]

In the end they of MGS 3, Ocelot and Snake become friend.

[@plagueroach]

andreadesmocedici oh I see I'm relatively new too the series and I'm currently watching a playthrough of it on youtube thanks for the response to the confusion

[@gunbladeuser19]

Not necessarily a bad guy. Look at videos of the end of Metal Gear Solid 3 where after a duel, Ocelot "gives Big Boss a plane." There's different versions of the battle. Plus, at this point Snake knows that Ocelot's mom is Joy/Boss. So it's reasonable to think that big boss is like ocelot step dad/godfather and therefore would trust him. Plus, Ocelot's like a triple agent.

[@truekurayami]

It's shown at the end of the game Ocelot was Adam, one of the two possible contacts Big Boss what supposed to meet up with and after getting cleared to know the truth about The Boss even if she leaked it to him sooner would have found out Ocelot was more playing a role to keep his cover from being blown instead of actually being an obsticle.

[@kuribro443]

No because ocelot was the double agent Adam and they reach an understanding at the end of the game

[@filimonetatofi40]

As soon as I saw the thumbnail I was like “of course it isn’t real its a game”

[@Yuurekk]

This also happens in mgsv pp - you can notice it first at the hospital when one of the characters looks directly at the camera, and makes a disgusted-like face. To add to this, every time a mission start, you "enter" Snake's head, after which you're able to control him (look around). Also, adding who's starring each mission adds to this theory that it's also a virtual mission.

[@Noti3]

Another thing worth mentioning is that in the song "snake eater" the last two lines are "im still in a dream snakeater!" Maybe referring to the fact that its all a vr simulation

[@Solid_Steak44]

I am gonna have to disagree with this theory because it is heavily implied in MGSV that Venom, the medic, was the best soldiers in MSF (Militaires Sans Frontières). Back in the days of MSF Venom was trained by the real Big Boss himself, on the techniques of CQC. The reason Venom thinks he is Big Boss is, because he willingly received hypnotherapy from Oclelot to have the memories and experiences of Big Boss. He did this to act as a body double to protect the real Big Boss from getting assassinated in the hospital in the beginning of MGSV. MatPat said it himself that Raiden was trained using VR Missions in the video. So if anyone would going through a VR recreation of the Virtuous Mission and Operation Snake Eater it would be Raiden not Venom...

[@marscomo]

And dont forget that in 1983 there were no technologies to perform so-called "virtual mission".

[@KpY1337]

Gott mit Uns I call bs, no one can understand the lore of MG :)

[@Bestgameplayer10]

Unwillingly.*

[@Bestgameplayer10]

Pepe Ithier II - MGS lore really isn’t that hard to understand as people make it out to be.

[@xboxstudent]

They already existed in the 80s kzbin.info/www/bejne/nafOcmanfJWtq6s

[@TIDbitRETRO]

They played us like a damn fiddle!

[@Lawrence1999]

Scruff Zilla LmAo

[@MAX-qd9ev]

Give it back, this isn't right! That was ours...

[@bigmanklar]

Venom didn’t learn this from a simulation, he went under “hypnotherapy” from Ocelot.

[@mooseactual5501]

I have watched more of your videos in one sitting than I care to admit but I must say that this one is easily my favorite. It probably has something to do with the fact that MGS 3 is easily my favorite game having played through it multiple times on multiple consoles. I personally would like to see more MGS theories, like the dream sequence while in the jail cell for 3, but that's just my thoughts. Keep it up Matt you're doing an awesome job!

[@pimpjenkins]

Okay MatPat if this is set really in 1982-83 where did campbell get the idea for Venom Snake’s iDroid? Guess this is really set on the present day... The Medic being trained to be Big Boss & we the players are getting trained to be Big Boss via the medic... a Virtual Mission within another virtual mission... VRception! And yes Kojima is playing us like a damn fidel for decades.

[@tformerdude6788]

*fiddle.

[@tformerdude6788]

"They played us like a damned fiddle!" I want to see who gets this reference.

[@LordStarbeard]

seriously?

[@Shadow62x]

All technology in the military is legally set to be 50 years ahead of the public, so it isn't surprising if an iDroid of some kind was in use at the time.

[@digdugdat2847]

Alright so, a few things: 1.) Venom Snake has been WITH Big Boss before the events of The Phantom Pain which is in 1975. It would not benefited any simulation for Venom to associate the JFK SPEC OPs Center, Calorie Mate, and Never Say Never Again if He, Venom Snake has never even heard of these things from 1982 or 1983 when he went comatose in 1975 (I know that said he never heard of/watched certain James Bond film or wasn't familiar with them, but Big Boss/Venom would of rejected a fallacy that their mentor, who saw combat in 1941 at age 19 trained at a facility named after JFK (24 at 1941 when he went into the military) who wasn't even president until 1953) 2.) If conditioning a soldier with the skills of Big Boss was a resounding success back in between 1975 -1984 (comatose Venom turning into Big Boss), then why was the VR missions still being hammered out from 2007 - 2009 (MGS2)? Venom Snake's CQC skills can be explained in that he was trained when he was The Medic in 1972 when he was with Militaires Sans Frontières (MSF) which was founded by Big Boss. Sure it might be a little tight for a soldier to master CQC from '72 to '75 but as Ocelot and Big Boss said, Venom was the best MSF had. 3. Roy Campbell was never with The Patriots back in 1980s, he was too busy getting it on with his Sister-In-Law (which resulted in Meryl Silverburgh). 4.) The Croc Hat from MGS3 was a reference to another Bond film, Octopussy which was made in 1983 (You probably know that but neglected to mentioning this as you had the clip at 19:12 in your video) but this reference was lost on Zero has he ridiculed Snake for wearing it during a codec conversation in MGS3. If Zero knew of a Pen gun from a Bond film released in October of 1983 then he'd know of a croc design from a Bond film released in June of that same year (4 months before Never Say Never Again). Look I know that people want to put Hideo Kojima on this very high platform and that he's without fault but mind you this was the same guy who originally came up with the idea that Ocelot was being possessed by Liquid Snake's spirit as Ocelot was apparently served as an excellent spirit medium from being the son of The Sorrow (a Spirit Medium himself) from MGS3. Or - and I know I'm going get hate for this: Quiet Kojima has not wanted to work on a MGS title since MGS2 but has bent head over heels in tying a story that he came up with 1987 at a rookie age of 24 to 2015. His task has been ironing out the details for 28 years. He has succeeded in doing so but this came at a cost. I still believe that MGS3 is indeed a Patriot simulation but not for Venom Snake and not taking place in 1980s, but after 2009. After MGS2. Roy Campbell in MGS3 was the same archetype construct from MGS2 (One of the voices of the Patriots) It could of been for some scrapped character from MGS4 that Kojima changed to Venom Snake. But I would go as far to say Venom was NOT the original concept for such training. Which leads me to... 5.) Raidenovitch from MGS3 looking exactly like Raiden from MGS2. Sure we all thought that this was Kojima making fun of his highly scrutinized character from MGS2 but if you're adhering that MGS3 was for Venom in 1984 then why is there a character that wasn't born until 1983 in the simulation? And before people decry Raidenovitch is Raiden's father: He was killed in 1964 (as there was no Time Paradox if you chose to kill Raidenovitch) My guess is: much like codec Rose and Campbell was a construct of the Patriots in MGS2 so was Raidenovitch in MGS3.

[@blacklamb8393]

That Guy you're insane

[@blacklamb8393]

And I love it

[@Aahz321]

guess I'm still in a select small camp that liked Quiet as a full and interesting character, who was nuanced and well written (despite having almost zero dialogue)

[@timplicit7571]

Well, Liquid taking over Ocelots body could actually make sense, if you consider Liquids nanomachines and dna being in his arm that attached to Ocelot. Maybe his nanomachomes took over and ocelot believed he was liquid, so after the machines went obselete in Mgs4 Ocelot deciced to fight snake because they had one last fight. That or liquid comoletrly took over his vessel and was fighting him anyways. But I believe this would be a more satisfying answer instead of his spirit possessing him

[@666metalsnake]

For me it is also a simulation that happened after MGS2, buy I believe it was actually Solid Snake playing that simulation. I think that Otacon and Snake somehow got access to all the information about the real operation Snake Eater (maybe even with help from Sunny) and with that they developed a simulation for Snake to live those events and learn more about Big Boss and the origin of the patriots. This would explain why Solid Snake doesn't use CQC in MGS2 but suddenly knows how to use it in MGS4 (after the simulation he learnt the technique because of playing as Big Boss), and also would explain why he is paying respects to The Boss' grave at the beginning of the game when he wasn't even supposed to know who she was. And finally it also would explain the presence of Campbell and all the anachronisms. For me that makes more sense that being a training for Venom.

[@buffloogi8569]

When Snake dies in that game it also says Time Paradox

[@JZjzred]

But the colonel doesn't yell at you.

[@SamsarasArt]

I think the tanker mission in mgs2 was a simulation as well. Considering the dialogue changes based on if you played it before playing the plant chapter, it pretty much cements it for me. If you don't play, "Campbell" will say this is your first sneaking mission and if you do, he'll say you've completed vr training

[@finnianjoyce-velez8079]

In MGS4's end credit seen Big Boss tells old snake that memory could be implanted (referring to Liquid Ocelot), but the brain could be tricked to believe it was someone else. I think placing it in as venom snakes experience is smart, I originally thought it could have been part of Raiden's training. The major error with this is, the patriots would have likely covered up any mention of Zero's existence and the virtuous mission, as they didn't serve the patriots end goal

[@nathancarpenter8895]

It's a simulation inside a simulation inside another simulation!

[@hannibustoogfyrre6074]

Nathan Carpenter Just *burp* ask the smartest guys in the universe, Jerry! Oh wait, you can't. They blew up!

[@mikemarks6136]

It's simulception

[@Lalaoz]

am i the only person who climbed that huge ladder in MSG:3 and was like "boy i sure bet there's an easter egg if i jump off this here ledge, and at the very least it'll be funny watching him fall all that way" only to jump off and find out that the game just "game over"'s you instantly without getting to watch snake plumet to his death :(

[@blitzixt4554]

Im sure some people heard "What a Thrill~" when we saw MGS3's ladder

[@kaleodos]

The medic simbolizes the player, the same way Raiden in mgs2 did ppl sadly have missed the point of the series

[@mybodyisreggie2759]

kaleodos yep

[@touchingisjustthefirststep]

The medic IS the player. Raiden no.

[@dododestroyer5480]

Raiden literally threw away the power the player had over him, Raiden was not the player but a jack (Jack) for the player to insert themselves into the world. Raiden was his own person and so are we. Also while the medic is supposed to be a vector for the player he has his part in the timeline as his own character, a man who had his loyalty to Big Boss exploited. The point wasn’t that you are Venom but that Big Boss had turned into a hypocrite, and it seems that you are the one who missed the point.

[@pokenutter]

So eager to talk smack about Metal Gear Solid 2, and yet it's got a significantly better and more interesting VR Theory.

[@mamayareborn]

Right?! This video is a sham.

[@samuelviden7412]

Occam's Razor. We all know Kojima is very self aware, meta and humorous. Virtual Mission is a tongue in cheek reference to MGS2 (as is the Raiden mask). Kojima was very much aware of the critique of MGS2. The Ocelot time paradox is literally what it is; the first game in the series introduced Ocelot in 2005 (in game date), and people playing MGS3 generally played the first two games.

[@wortwortwort2992]

Even though I’m late the whole “you’re actually a double who doesn’t know that you are a double “ blew my mind

[@CaveTF]

When is part 2 coming of Mass Effect Indoctronation Theory???

[@vellgreenblade6559]

Is never coming.

[@toddhoward5555]

Only true fans understand that MGS2 was Kojima and co's magnum opus. You trippin.

[@marcar9marcar972]

dribblemix I actually quite liked MGS2

[@nothingtoseehere6142]

Solid Snake > Raiden

[@sergiolucas2781]

True MGS fans think Raiden is gay in MGS2 (Thanks Raikov), hail him as a badass in Revengeance and then dip.

[@dotChrollo]

Regardless of what you think, if you call yourself a true fan as if it makes you better, you're a shithead.

[@EllipsisMark]

I literally thought Raiden was the coolest. People complained that he whined a lot but the kid was literally a kid(as in in his early 20) and had a fucked up history. Then they 'made him cool' by making him a robot ninja which I thought sucked. Seriously, MGS4 could have been a co-op game, but nooo he just had break dance giant walking tanks to death.

[@kitsunemusicisfire]

"Sir, we've managed to avoid drowning!!!!" I'm DEAD🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@lukejac0562]

Nearly every single point of this video can be debunked so easily

[@k.legendk.legend2712]

You know what I just realized Snakes and Ladders

[@KanekiNeuro]

K.Legend K.Legend omfg I can't believe I didn't put two and two together.

[@firebrand5026]

Snake? Snake! SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Nichodo]

That sounds just about like the line from Portal 2's Space core :D Space. Space! SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@justabiscuit1794]

Still not longer than the latter

[@gabefimbres]

What? the la-li-lu-le-lo? What are you talking about?

[@ghostnike901]

It also makes sense that they gave snake a different voice in MGS5 from all the other games.