I'm Not The Only One To Notice This

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Hope you enjoyed the winter wonderland hate ! - Nice to see interesting comments from people that can have a good conversation and bring some nice points forwards 👍 If you found this video upsetting then watch this - kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqHcgJmtls94nbM&ab_channel=GamerMuscleVideos

[@ZoltarWOT]

why are you doing second video on the exact same topic in a few days?

[@stevenregan35]

It creates interaction and engagement for his channel and hopefully promotes less fanboyism. And as mentioned there is a massive hype train with ams 2, 1.6 and LFM, why not jump on board?

[@motelghost477]

I don't need some rando on the internet to validate my choices and neither should you. Like what YOU like.

[@marcosicolo4542]

The hype is justified. I was interested in this update but I didn’t think I would get hooked to this game as much as I did. Combining the physics update with the LFM online ranked experience was an excellent move. This was already a great game, and now it is also a solid sim

[@Smoked_Cheddar]

Player count seems to have increased quite a bit since the 1.6 patch. So they must be doing something right.

[@maximravinet9950]

We're not far enough from the launch of 1.6 to know, it's still hype. And there's not that much actual difference in the driving itself with the update

[@inthehood1750]

There is plenty,still work to be done but the difference is very noticeable,it can only get better from now on hopefully​@@maximravinet9950

[@MadCow582]

Yup, it's always about sustained player count longer term. People always jump in to see what's new and numbers dip afterwards in most cases. You'll see similar numbers when you search the data for other games/sims.

[@TrackDayMedia]

For me, it's the whole experience of racing in AMS2. I always refer to it as how it simulates the procedure of racing (especially when you also bring crewchief into the picture, which i use on all my sims, so im not using that as an unfair advantage over other sims). From the rolling starts, to the flag rules, to safety car periods, the way how the digital flag stations work around the track. It all makes the experience feel so real (I guess that's just immersion). I've felt this way about AMS2 before 1.6, but now, with frequently populated online lobbies, all those feelings are even stronger.

[@belabedo]

For me it is VR. From what I tried, it is the best out of all the simulators/games whatever you want to call it. Obviously I am hyped when the best looking game gets an update.

[@lildadthebarber6891]

@@belabedo yea vr is where ams2 shine

[@L_Emir_de_Passy]

I'm honestly glad you're enjoying it. But Reiza hasdone little to no work since 2020 regarding VR. Daytime shadows are still unmanageable and shimmering at night as well. Performance got hit really bad over the years and especially since 1.6. I hope they invest a little more in vr.

[@L_Emir_de_Passy]

I think LMU will become the best sim racing VR title. They are investing a lot in it.

[@randydelacruz426]

VR is pretty good but the shadows in VR are the weak spot that breaks immersion for me sometimes

[@Coxy-b34]

@@randydelacruz426 Agreed. The aliasing on the shadows is so distracting. Spoils what would otherwise be a good looking sim in VR.

[@ezpz4659]

I can't get enough on AMS2 in VR. It's perfect

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Yah i don't think anyone can argue against how good it is in VR and the new menu layout in some ways is even easer to navigate in VR

[@MrNeilRoberts]

I’m a big fan in VR also but I have noticed 1.6 if I look sideways at high speed I’m seeing sort of tearing and slight jitter of objects even though I’ve plenty headroom and constant 90 fps.

[@redness2323]

same here. So awesome.

[@winnythekahuna8073]

@@MrNeilRoberts My biggest gripe is how my VR head movement using MQ3 is tracking and making sounds louder and softer between left and right channels when I am using external speakers. Really annoying.

[@MrNeilRoberts]

@@winnythekahuna8073I’m just using Q3 internal speakers so it’s been ok on sound … have you noticed same as me looking out to the side the objects close to you trackside seem to skip the odd frame but with Meta performance screen it doesn’t show dropped frames … maybe I’m been too fussy but I’m sure previous version was just that little bit smoother 😢

[@Bonkikavo]

Milking those views like a pro.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

To be honest its only really worth being positive if the goal is to gain subscribers and make money , more critical videos like this do really bad for views and subs normally. Hardware review , basic guide videos , or just telling people that there game is the best is 5-50x more profitable.

[@kenstewart3607]

@ You say so many negative things about the game and then scold your followers when they act tribalistic. Your negatively is hurting the racing sim community more than it is helping it.

[@4rPekro]

@@kenstewart3607 Agreed.

[@yuriaby]

as a Brazilian expression says: I think AMS2 "rented a triplex" in his head

[@luizfmartins4182]

@@yuriaby maybe a whole condo, my friend. 🤣

[@HalStargazer]

i hadn't played ams2 for a long time until the 1.6 update and i haven't been able to stop playing it since. the cars drive great and i'm having some tough battles against the ai which is what i'm most interested in. "experts" will always find something to moan about but my experience so far has been very, very enjoyable. thank you reiza

[@L_Emir_de_Passy]

I think the bottom line is that if you didnt like ams2, you still won't like it. And vice versa.

[@gasracing5000]

It's a good game and the best for VR. The devs keep with it instead of leaving it to the community modders. They don't charge an extortion, sorry subscription fee. They deserve some hype.

[@kurkin23]

I have had this game a for a while but never played it. I usually play IRacing and ACC. I am in love with this version of AMS2. Cant get enough of it. Its so much fun!!

[@gomezthechimp1116]

Talking of hype; the influencer hype around the EVO trailer was ridiculous. All that analysis and deep diving was something I've never seen before.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

To be fair that is a brand new game from a developer that made one of the most significant racing sims of the decade , it would be like a new RBR being announced.

[@richardsracingmad]

I think they (AC Evo) have done minimum hype…I’m hoping the game will be above expectations… However, AMS2 does have a very enthusiastic group of followers, who over hyped the new V1.6 , as well as other media. Therefore, I was a little confused when I actually got the new AMS2 update. I was told that the new tyre “ fix” was amazing…however it is barely noticeable, and the cars I have driven are still floaty, perhaps a little teeny bit less. It makes me wonder whether “Beta “ servers have a really boosted version of the game? Is that why I was told V1.6 was amazing? Anyway, I do like and enjoy AMS2, so there! Na na ne do da’s pfffffff

[@HairyPantaloons]

@@GamerMuscleVideos Stefano Casillo came back? Awesome. (can you really say it's from the same devs if core team like Stefano and Aris are no longer there?)

[@bdiddymack]

Tell me your jaw didn't drop a little bit when looking at the patch notes for 1.6. This is a game that's been out for 4 years and they could have called it a day long before now. Whether or not you like the floaty feeling you can't deny that they have added and polished a metric ton of content. It's arguably the best turnkey simulator especially for more casual simracers. I think the hype is justified. GM, the dead horse has been beaten, pissed on, buried, dug up, burned, and tossed into a river. Move on.

[@lowfastracing]

After 4 years, the game is finally pretty much what it should have been from day one. Amazing job, Reiza! :D

[@bdiddymack]

@lowfastracing can you say that about any sim out there? At least they have polished it up and actually tried their best for their customers. AC is what it is because of the modding community. Rf2 still feels incomplete a decade later and is being phased out, literally losing content. Lmu will never get there and please tell me what you're smoking if you think it will. ACC is the only other sim that I would consider complete, again take or leave the ffb and it also took years to get there and is much smaller in scope. That leaves iracing but it is too costly for casual simracers unless you're only interested in a few select series. So what would YOU like?

[@bernl178]

Road Atlanta and Sebring are gorgeous and frankly, I think They deserve to be hyped I think any gamer looks around and when it comes to gaming the hype in every aspect is horrendous I’m 64 years of war age and frankly you can smell the BS from miles away but that said there’s an entertainment value and sometimes it’s entertaining at least that

[@EFUwazurike]

Wouldn’t be GM if you didn’t needlessly teardown AMS2

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

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[@CD-rt8wj]

“I like christmas, like the real part of it. I like walking” 😂😂😂 I dunno why that line got me

[@4rPekro]

What is the point in saying that you don't like AMS2's physics over and over again?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

This video explains the core nature of the physics I quite enjoy how some of the cars drive , way more than I enjoy a bunch of cars in iracing and ACC but we can still be honest that the way you have to drive is a bit wonky , just as how to drive iracing you have to always drive under the limit , or in AC1 you have to avoid curbs like the plague.

[@yuriaby]

engagement my friend, engagement

[@Rave-agent]

It's his shtick. Iracing tyre model, ACC FFB/braking, AMS2 floaty feeling.....ad infinitum.

[@truantray]

Low effort cheap content on a trendy subject.

[@McCaffreyJams]

I think the point is that he's interested and likes AMS2, and also wants it to be the best it can be. I'm much the same, I love AMS2 but being a bit of a driver, I notice certain issues in its physics which differ from the real world, much like I've found with most sims. It's a bit like when you hear a cover of your favorite song, it's always gunna be not quite the original. Doesn't take away from the positive points about it though, as even if there are problems, Reiza have done certain things with this sim that others have not, and that's why we love it and keep coming back. What's wrong with talk8ng about it?

[@arenam79]

Now you're just f@cking with us 😂

[@DiegoT]

Stop having fun!!!1!!1!1!

[@kevin8798]

Crazy right? We should all listen to someone who is "justifying" a hype. Wait what?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Rather predictable response - kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqHcgJmtls94nbM&ab_channel=GamerMuscleVideos

[@widerfov]

What’s this? Your 10th video on AMS2 1.6. Honestly this feels like an out of date review. I bought AMS2 two years ago and didn’t like it because it was slippy like you are describing. Since 1.5 it’s become one of my goto sims. So I don’t know what you are going on about since 1.5 and 1.6 updates. The slippy feeling is all but gone and cars feel planted finally. You do realize you can rotate the car with the throttle and brake right? Maybe it’s your hardware?…I’m using an Alpha U and it feels fine IMHO. Source: 35+ years driving with plenty of hard cornering when no one is around.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

We have done 4 videos on AMS2 and 15 Hours of AMS2 live streams last 7 days , one video was telling people about a fun ffb file and how that is interesting, one is a review This video is more about the hype. In the same time period we have done 20+ Hours of MSFS24 and iRacing live streams. This video is more about the interesting aspects of hype and the hype surrounding AMS2.

[@widerfov]

@@GamerMuscleVideos Let me ask you, is AMS2 getting better with the updates? Yes? Then it's worth the hype. When other sims are getting worse (looking at you ACC), let's hype the ones that are updating for the better.

[@chubbs6504]

so well said.

[@sergiogallardo7867]

@@widerfov Yes, a lot of updates and dlc's and still has worst online than rfactor1 had 15 years ago

[@SingleRacerSVR]

I genuinely (hand on heart) like these honest & realistic discussions on all of these current racing-sims - and therefore hope they never stop, GM. So because of this, your opinion(s) of the upcoming AC EVO next year - is reaching GTA 6 levels for me personally. So I'm hoping they consider giving you early er' um' early access to try it out before the real EA goes live...

[@kevin8798]

Dude, how many of the same are you gonna make? "Justifying the hype, lololol"

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I'm being accused of being an attacker and a hyper at the same time , could be that we give quite a balanced critical view on things and talk about both the good and bad or neutral.

[@kevin8798]

Check!

[@aogsimracing5663]

LOL just wait for EVO!

[@pdstonks305]

Hey my man. Respectfully, let it go. I don’t know why you are hell bent on tearing down the hype for a sim racing game. I like Iracing better but AMS2 is fun. Maybe this is just your way of tapping into the viewer boost provided by AMS2 but just move on.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

This channel has always been about being honest , critical and humour if you don't like that you can watch less critical content or content that better matches your sense of humour. It would be unfair to selectively not be critical of AMS2 when we have been so critical of iRacing and ACC / other titles or say Logitech True force.

[@splatracer7726]

@@GamerMuscleVideosI personally rolled my eyes when the subject turned to a handling characteristic. I sat through it and thought about floor joists until GM got back on subject.

[@Fspirit01]

Respectfully, I disagree. Let him talk about whatever comes up in that bald, British, tea drinking head of his. You’re not obliged to like or watch anything you don’t like.

[@solohuckstep]

Nah I agree with you man. These are video games and not each game needs to feel like all the others. AMS2 is not the most realistic but it is a fun sim. Trying to correct the hype over the sim just because YOU believe it doesn’t deserves it is dumb. If this was a scam then this opinion would be more justifiable because you’d be protecting people. The hype is there because the sim has so much content, runs well, visually pleasing, doesn’t drain your pockets, and is super easy to setup. If that sim can come closer to feeling more realistic then yeah thats awesome.

[@marcosicolo4542]

@@GamerMuscleVideosI subscribed to your channel a while back because I thought it was a funny and light channel, plus I’m an Assetto Corsa fan and liked to see it talked up. But it does look like AMS2 has kinda become an obsession to you and I think he is right, it’s probably time to move on. I’m definitely not enjoying your content this week

[@tonydickey3412]

I think much of the hype came from the community. Reiza is not a hype train kinda outfit

[@marquisegoodwin2481]

AMS2 is really good.. but let’s be honest. It’s always influencer based Hype.. just look at ACC.. that game was completely dead for a year. I was on the online servers by myself… but the moment all the KZbinr influencers jumped on.. Everyone did. But AMS2 is actually a really good game I think so even before the patch..

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I think the ACC thing was largely based on it also being launched on console , so when people raced it as a live stream they would get 2-3x the views which really helps. for example jardair has always been a legend and always had the same vibe done great he would play R3E and other stuff and have hardly any viewers but ACC allowed him to realy pick up , also loads of influencers built huge viewer bases with F1 titles as they just have way more viewers. For live streaming ( not as much video) its so much about the game you play happening to blow up whilst you are a top 5 or so streamer of that game. so you have to 1) be a good streamer , thats a given but 2) you have to play something that will get views or you could be best streamer ever and never get noticed. Jimmy is a good example of this as well as he basically exploded from doing GT play throughs just before GT sport launched. I think he would have always have done really well but lets say he played train sim lol or i don't know DCS or something people just would not have found him.

[@marquisegoodwin2481]

Oh come on GM.. you telling me Jardier couldent make some fans of Train sim.. 😂😂😂

[@johnduncan5117]

AMS2 has always been pretty polished. The interface, the graphics, the sound all good. Great range of content. Very well optimised. Basically nearly everything is spot on. The ONLY thing I find to criticise about it is that floaty feel. It's fun to drive don't get me wrong, but it's not as real feeling to me as RF2, LMU or AC. And that is why I personally don't play it as much. Fortunately, there are lots of people in the world with lots of different tastes ;).

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

@@marquisegoodwin2481 I tried to get him to play flight sims but he wont do it :(

[@Arcanomarcio]

I agree with your analysis... AMS2 is on a good path, with a few more adjustments and the continuation of new content will further elevate the experience in this sim. A good content would be the Ferrari 296 GT3 and the 499P would attract even more enthusiastic simracers of the brand.

[@subabsolutezero193]

As a casual sim enjoyer, the hype for AMS has been due to the dream of having a good "everything" sim. The 4 things I want most of the box are - 1. Good Physics and FFB 2. Good AI 3. An enjoyable progressive career mode 4. Looks good and is well optimized (including for vr) In my experience anything that meets 1 fails at either 2 or 3 so it is hard for a casual player to find the fun or have a metric for skill progression. If AC addressed 2 and 3 it truly would be the King of sims for casuals but instead it is largely thought of a hot lap simulator.

[@Silhouette87]

I enjoy all of the sims, each one offers me a unique experience for spinning out and understeering into walls.

[@Squeezy01]

My 2 cents: I've very recently got into AMS2 (April 2024) after switching from ACC because my PC couldn't handle the Nordschleife update. After buying the base game I was instantly hooked. The game ran amazing, it drove amazing (or so I thought) and after discovering the AMS2 forum I liked the idea that the devs were communicating with the playerbase and I wanted to support that. What better way then to get all of the available DLC. Got it at sale price which still wasn't cheap but I thought this is my home now, I won't be moving to any other sim since I have no need for it. It was around that time that I found out about V1.6 and all of the bells and whistles it was bringing to the game. Obviously seeing all of it I nearly creamed my pants. It was 99% perfect sim, only thing that was missing was any kind of Ferrari in the game, or so I thought. Fast forward a couple of weeks, my AMS2 addiction is raging, I'm checking the forum daily looking for new updates from the devs. It was at this time that I noticed this thing called "hovercrafting". A phenomenon known to everyone in the AMS2 community and while it wasn't bothering me back then (we are talking end of June time wise) I always had this feeling of "This isn't a proper sim, it's arcade-ish" but I was hoping that the 1.6 will come in the near future and the hovercrafting will be gone. Fast forward another few weeks. It is now end of August, I am supposed to be going off to college in a few weeks time and still no signs of 1.6. Mind you the teasing on the forums coming from Paddock pass members (Early supporters eligible for early beta testing) was driving me insane. Everyone was saying how "it's going to kill other sim titles", "AMS2.5", "[REDACTED] is great, and [REDACTED] feels insane". Every single loose deadline broken, still no update. It was at this point I started to get a bit critical about the game on the forums and was met with tons of backlash from the AMS2 fanboys. The hypetrain was real and I still wanted to be a part of it but I was growing increasingly impatient. October rolls around. I am now already away from home and couldn't care less about 1.6. The update surprisingly still isn't here. I go home for the weekend, and decide instead of playing AMS2, let's give Raceroom a shot. I had it already installed but with the lack of content I couldn't bring myself around to playing it. That night I bought the Laguna Seca track and one of the 911 GT3 (car I know very well in AMS2). Not even 4 corners in I apply my AMS2 driving knowledge to Raceroom, powering, full throttle through the corner, I understeer off the track. "Hmm, this feels odd, haven't had that problem ever in AMS2." I first thought that the tire model physics were off or that the setup was wrong but after a quick google search I was humbled. IT IS A CHARACTERISTIC OF THE CAR. Let me tell you my mind was blown right then and there. It was the exact moment I realized that AMS2, while a fun game, is not a sim in a way that games like R3E, iR, AC, ACC or rF2 are... I wanted to jump ship to Raceroom immediately but I was still hopeful that the 1.6 was going to fix that. Few weeks ago Raceroom had this massive sale and I was able to buy all of the remaining content at pretty low price, but I still didn't want to spend money in case AMS2 1.6 turns out great. I risked it and bought the missing content anyway. Glad I did. After seeing all of the 1.6 gameplay online and trying it out myself I am thoroughly and I can safely say I am happy to support KW Studios from now on. Reiza had nearly 8 months to deliver on this update and while it is massive, it is game changing in a lot of ways, it didn't change the part of the game that is vital in the fight for it's place in the simracing market. I know I am bound to get hate for this from all of the AMS2 white knights but to all of those people I say "Take off the blindfold"

[@mohdfarhan5246]

Starting from AC, the first time I fired up AMS2 2 years ago I already realized that AMS2 fell a bit floaty, hovercrafty or whatever is called. One of my friends is a hardcore PC2 player, and when he plays AMS2 he does say that it feels good for him because it was pretty much like PC2. See my point here? By using the same engine as PC2, most players came from PC2 and realized that the handling feel is pretty much similar from PC2. As we also know PC2 is not a hardcore sim. Hence the handling differs from other sims. And yet I didn't want to say the new update is bad. I enjoyed it. It does fix the PC2 feel in terms of handling, but I still can feel the floatiness sometimes. I don't want to judge and say AMS2 is not a proper sim. But the way it feels it is hard to justify it and say it is a proper sim. So, just play what you want and enjoy it.

[@niolund8673]

Please write a little less next time

[@Squeezy01]

@@niolund8673 I didn't force you to read it all.

[@Marcandre11]

I got caught up in the hype and played AMS2 for 3-4 days straight-and I loved it at first. Then I went back to my usual iRacing and ACC routines, and now I see what people mean. The cars in AMS2 really do feel like they're floating. I'm torn because I prefer feeling in control of the car, but in AMS2, it constantly feels like you're teetering on the edge of sliding all over the place. It's hard to describe; it just feels odd compared to other sims.

[@nrosko]

Renato is humble down to earth guy absolutely nothing like Bell IMO. Maybe you can point to an example where Renalto has made exaggerations about 1.6?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

@@nrosko Where did I say bell or Renato made exaggerations ? I said they are both good at marketing and and hyping up there product which is literally part of there job.

[@frankzappa2274]

James, I think that's a pretty fair and accurate description

[@fingers68]

Just got round to trying this out and happy to find they have changed things quite a bit. Gone has that unbearable oscillating center, I can feel the weight of the car. However the GT3 seems to have road tires on. Been busy with LMU and want to get back to it. I've not tried other cars, there will be no doubt something that will suit me, hopefully something classic. It looks and runs gorgeous in VR so very pleased that for the first time since getting this years ago I thought this feels good.

[@splatracer7726]

I think it’s probably more a question of what happens after the hype and not the actual amount of it. The greater the hype the greater the risk of falling flat face down in something your neighbours cat left on your doorstep. Forza ‘Built from the ground up being a prime example’. On the whole I think AMS2 has lived up to things pretty well despite a controversial handling characteristic.

[@Jayat3am]

All about personal preferences I guess. I kind of enjoyed the hype and excitement it created. For me it distracted me away from the seriousness of far too many influencers & self proclaimed experts and brought back the fun of 'game play'. valid point about the spin doctoring and influencing though. :)

[@skaposzczet]

I think that more and more simracers hop on vr as it's getting more and more affordable. It's cheaper than 3 monitors and easier to use than single monitor for me. And AMS 2 in terms of VR performance and visuals is king. I'm vr simracer and I'm like forced to play ams2. And when they do something great to the sim I'm very hyped and happy :)

[@viunetwork5142]

AMS2 is the Fortnite of Racing-Games.

[@johnmann7o2]

The game in vr plus motion sim is probably the funnest racing sim game of all time. They were able to simulate the sense of speed, driver involvement and most of all, enjoyment behind the wheel. Makes other sims dull and uninspiring imo. It’s a huge accomplishment.

[@Rave-agent]

AMS2 was criminally underrated in terms of player numbers based on how good it actually was. Of course it was not perfect and it will never be but the 'hype' can only be measured in a couple of months when we can then see the number of regular players still enjoying it.

[@silvereagle6985]

Hi GM, keep it up. I like your perspective regardless if I agree. I think all your points on most of your videos are fantastic. I especially loved your post about how you failed. I hated AMS2 when it came out. However, over the years, it's one of my Faves. Your prior post about LFM was on point, in my opinion. Ignore the haters and keep doing what you are doing!

[@TinoushGTR]

I miserably fail to feel that floaty feeling that everyone is talking about. I own most of the sims. Ac acc rf2 etc but I just can't see what everyone is talking about. I also track my GT-R sometimes irl so I know how to drive on track. Maybe it's everyone's camera settings? I know out of the box it is horrible and makes the cars feel floaty. Once camera movement is adjusted it feels really solid. Special that it still hands down has the best motion telemetry of them all. Feels very realistic about what the cars are doing. I just don't get it.

[@MTPRACINGYT]

Regarding camera settings, i turned on legacy head movement, lowered some of the head movement settings and it now feels way less slidey. Camera default settings seem to distort the feeling of force feedback somehow with the head movement. Its weird but fixed it all for me

[@kevinhadj82]

Yes it is overhyped. But as I always say about AMS2, out of all "sims" it is currently the better "game". And there is nothing wrong in acknowledging that or to disagreeing with it.

[@BadWallaby]

If you’re having fun, you’re doing it right.

[@Lasukie]

incentivication is an amazing word and I'm going to petition oxford to put it into english I don't think AMS2 is a perfect sim, but theres stuff in literally every other sim that isn't perfect either - ACC feels like the smoke and mirrors it is, but people swear by its experience, AC is missing BASIC FUNCTIONS for motorsport entirely, iracing has weird physics stuff too (insert grassgate) Rf2 had dlc cars with three wheels and I'm not even sure that ever got fixed, Raceroom feels like 2005 the videogame in terms of content and physics, but that's okay because it can run five million bajillion cars at once in a race. So they all have strengths/weaknesses And the strength in AMS2 for me is Reizas assets. The tracks and cars are just top notch and the shaders and weather as well. The entire graphical aesthetic, whether in VR or flat just does it for me.

[@jenslindblad]

You Tube influencers definitely hype things because they need to make lots of content. They also like to stir controversy because that makes everyone watch said content. At least for a while. For some reason it seems like no one wants to mention that there is actually a multiplayer in AMS2 so you can have a larf with your mates. Why is that never mentioned I wonder? I think one reason AMS2 might be receiving favourable reviews and positive reception (apart from being very good) is that it is produced by a smallish Independent developer. Not the monopolist juggernaut MSG that wanted to lock down every license, not the very expensive iRacing, not the marketing wizzard Ian Bell, but Reiza, the small guy, someone you can root for. As for physics, that is indeed an entirely personal and subjective opinion. Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t the Madness engine just an evolution of the ISI motor? If that is so, several sims are powered by different iterations of the same original Grand Daddy. Perhaps a video on this subject would be interesting? I’ve driven sims since GPL, the rF and II, GTR and GTR II, AMS and AMS2, iRacing, Raceroom etc. Perhaps the cars I drive mostly, are very different to the cars you drive. I gravitate towards the GPL era where a bit more slip angle seemsrealistic. What is you opinion on the Formula Vintage?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I mention the multiplayer over and over and how you can insta host + add AI its a great feature I think RIZA could market it better I might do a focused video on the best things you can do in the game !

[@lildadthebarber6891]

Vr is where ams2 shines

[@petezzzz]

I look at it as the all around package (VR included) and AMS2 has it nailed. The slight, and I mean very slight, physics discrepancies go away after the second corner. 👍

[@portugalmath]

You can say that ACC is better than AMS2 on GT's, and this is completely undestandable since ACC is 100% focused on GTs and keep doing great, LMU also do a great job in early access, BUUUUUT you cannot find any Sim racing game that offers you that taste of iRacing with a lot of varied categories and tracks (without any mods) by paying basically the cost of one year membership ONCE in your life! Thant's the point of AMS2, it's a democratic simulator that can give you almost everything with good quality. ...and we can also say that 1.6 is in progress with LFM, it can do even better.

[@sergiogallardo7867]

you don't know AC, don't you?

[@portugalmath]

@sergiogallardo7867 "WITHOUT MODS"

[@chriswright5016]

Some very fair points there. AMS2 remains a totally frustrating title for me. While I can definitely say I like the driving model more, all they've really done is tweak some of the floatiness out of the physics. In fact now it's much easier to lose control, like in the thankfully now long gone days of i(ce)Racing. And I still have a hard time with a sim that's definitely leaning more and more in the direction of endurance racing, but for which there is still no prospect of a save feature for those of us dedicated single player simmers. This feature alone is why I will continue to enjoy ACC so much, which by the way also has much nicer physics too. While I applaud the trial period for the new DLC, trying it out has left me wondering if I want to pony up the sharp end of $40 or simply wait for the discounts. I think that speaks volumes for where this sim is at. And, yes, I do think these improvements have been overhyped. At the end of the day they are simply about bringing AMS2 up to a decent standard. They certainly aren't gamechanging.

[@6665hitm4k3r]

I don't know what some people consider as fun but if my daily car was as floaty as as the 992 GT3R or the 963 I would check if there is something loose or broken. Some people can't be serious with their hype.

[@IxNAPxI]

I personally did drive a GT car irl at Silverstone and AMS2 is the one that gave me more the impression to get it right to be honest, probably this is the case of a sim getting this right compared to the other sims?! It might be a matter of setting it up properly with force feedback and camera movements. Then there will always be a case of a type of car made better than others at least what really ams2 get it right is the sense of speed or at least got it very close. And I also felt the trail braking works pretty damn well in AMS2

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

If you did the Silverstone experience they run those cars on road tires , I have driven a car on slicks and cut slicks and had passenger laps in a range of cars on road and slicks nothing really floated around like AMS2 but sure road tires on a moderately fast car were the closest to AMS2 slicks. FFB or cam settings can help the feeling of grip but they wont remove the fundamental meta of driving in monster slip to go faster / cars wandering around when they should really be bit into the road and super stable. Trail braking generally works in all sims really give or take , sense of speed is good in AMS2 mostly due to the road texture and shaders being really nice at highlighting road details letting you then see road move fast under you.

[@IxNAPxI]

@GamerMuscleVideos well obviously my irl experience is based on that and for what I felt AMS2 looks pretty close more than others. But I think what really matters is telemetry data, if they correspond to their real life counter part all the feelings we have on a sim or the other is just a matter of taste. I might say a blasfemy but I find LMU the one where cars are floaty, and the sense of speed is generally too slow for me. But I generally agree with your point of view

[@maximravinet9950]

To be honest, every single Sim has a major flaw. Acc has their stupid braking physics and used to have the sausage physics on curbs, ac is just getting old and due for a refresh, iracing costs the average rent of some countries, ams 2 is floaty. Just pick the one(s) that you like and enjoy it. You don't have to care about anybody else's opinion

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Some flaws are more major than others and specifically being aware of the flaws allows people to 1) Find a sim or sims they enjoy more 2) know how to drive the sim they are playing and not be affected of the flaw as much 3) allow a person to get very angry at anyone that critically talks about there sim religion of choice.

[@joeofoysterbay7197]

They've done a great job of getting KZbinrs to cover them

[@onionbagarch8243]

I agree with GM and so does my fish

[@MrKidracer]

Have you raced any of the cars in real life to know the physics in any game is better than another ?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

How do you know mario kart is less realistic than AMS 2 ?

[@H-4-D3423]

4 years for 1.6 is a joke tbh. This is the worst release Reiza has ever been involved in IMHO, from memory. I've uninstalled it after trying 1.6. I'll just wait for Evo now and know I'm more aligned to their work. I won't back Reiza projects in future now. Oh well, I invested big in AMS2 and it hasn't worked out, so at least I've support everything they'd done until this point. The chose the wrong engine, Madness just doesn't cut it for me.

[@benoityip]

Time will tell in steam chart. I also learn that many people are not too fuzzy on physics, as long as it is not too bad, the whole experience makes more of a difference..

[@steffendetrick]

As far as the update being an argument for the game, actually being quite bad previously, I think it’s more of an argument that the game was really never all that bad but more so you have always had an ax to grind with this Sim.

[@AustinOgonoski]

Yes, it's overhyped, because LFM doesn't actually work as advertised.

[@PetterHegevall_]

AMS2 is brilliant. Period

[@IxNAPxI]

I found some differences On driving the formula ultimate gen 2, I felt it straight away after the update to be honest

[@trenchbear]

Why am I reading all of Gamermuscles comments in Gamermuscles voice, maybe I should stop with the tea drinking. Honestly tho, I agree with the good job AMS2 has done, yes its floaty, but it has gotten allot better, but also I think it will never be perfect. I also 1000% agree that the Sim youtubers use positivity/hype of a game to gain views sometimes, and it makes it hard to trust their videos, because as soon as the hype dies down they use negativity to gain views again. (I also understand why, gotta make that bread and turn it into a sandwich) I also agree that GM lost his marbles and can someone help him find them, I think they got lost in the marble factory and he cant get out. (Omw the comments are wild down here, I just jumped in and I hope I don't get attacked, I just have this bucket of chum with me, but I don't think sharks like chum anyways these days, I think they would much prefer Seaweed Pasta, less cholesterol+Gluten Free.)

[@alpha007org]

I've spent hours driving Oreca at Hockenheim. Driving and car handling is good. Default+ FFB communicates well what is happening and handling is intuitive. Many great things came with 1.6 update. I had so much fun racing on LFM. But as I started reaching 1:30:000 laptime, the old "floatiness" came back. The line between racing on the limit and just sliding started to become blurry. FFB don't communicate anything useful during these moments. I tried Pure/Simple FFB. If this Custom FFB is really providing only steering rack forces, then it all make sense. Physics engine is not complex enough, something is too simplified, maybe even wrong, and Default+ FFB relies heavily on other effects to communicate what is happening to the car. I have to emphasize, ALL SIMS do this, because I can already see the replies... All sims simplify things. They have to. And every sim try to simulate as much as possible. When you try all of them, you are just choosing your own preference. If you like ACC, good for you. If you like iRacing, more power to you. If you like AMS2, enjoy racing on LFM, and we are probably going to meet sometime. Sims are, at the end, just games. Games are meant to be fun. I have fun racing in AMS2. But 1.6 is not "game changing." If anything, it showed us the glimpse of what polished content looks like. But it also revealed the limitations with their heavily modified Madness Engine. And without major core physics code change, the distinct feeling that AMS2 gives you, will not change.

[@bigredracingteam9642]

I get the impression that Reiza is (still) tuning parameters rather than actually modifying the underlying engine itself.

[@ROLLINGFANATICS]

As someone who’s a long time livetrack fan starting from pcars 1 , with this update , while being great . I’ve experienced a lot of bugs with this patch . Its a big patch , so that’s understandable , but my hype was quickly shut down . I’ll be in a lobby with a full grid but only see about 7 cars online and I’ll have to rejoin to see everyone . So much people cursing me out for hitting them while I don’t see them

[@bernl178]

Need for speed really you’re comparing a Sim to need for speed. EA is not in the game.

[@gaminginstilllife9429]

I feel they did a great job

[@joshuadelorimier1619]

I'm really enjoying AMS2 now, I dabbled in it for years but the physics where just two different from other sims to play it for more then a week. I'm a historic heel/toe nerd not very talented but AI racing with the historic stuff now feel close enough to other sims that I can have fun with it in VR. I mean the procar was the best before and it still is, driving that at historic bathurst or Imola or even spa is a blast. I don't know how people can drive cars like the new super trofeo, the caterhams, the cup car. Something is still terrible wrong with those cars. It has enough cars that feel really good. The AI is good enough to have fun. Even multiplayer on LFM has been fun. I can finally drive cars like the formula trainer car, ginetta, and some of the historic formula cars and have fun. I think it's great for my current needs, if AC had ever fixed there AI then I would never play anything else.

[@AMSOZ-SS]

@9mins you made the most valid point of your career. Then broke it...😂😂 I've played all of the games you mentioned and have always said it's close but meh... I think short of having a quantum computer and a GForce rig it's always gonna be up to your brain to cover the gaps but I like AmS2. I like it but I also I can't drive like a speedway car I have no idea how people do it but again for me... aMS2 scratches the itch better than AC,ACC and iRacing so I play that. If ACC and co are your jam then more power to you. The power of choice is yours.

[@G.Yam74]

What does overhype mean? Some love it, others think it's okay, and others criticize it. Overhyped is a point of view like any other. It's driven more by more influencers who want to sell content on a daily basis than by the players themselves. The KZbin system is much more involved in it than the ordinary player himself. The main thing is the headline. No matter in which direction and ideally in all at the same time to get as many clicks as possible. AMS2 has made progress and it's more fun than before. Not more. The rest is headline quality of life. The gamer alone has little to do with this. He does a few laps and that's it. Clarify this between yourselves. The rest just keep playing. From patch to patch...

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Hype not proportional to what has actually happend in reality. For example black Friday

[@MatthewRunyon-n4g]

It's definitely overblown, it was never going to live up to some unrealistic expectation. I do believe that what Reiza have done is really stellar work considering where it was before. And compared to a lot of other sims which are really a mess in terms of bugs/user experience, it's refreshing to play a sim racer that's as polished as AMS2 is. And with the refinements to the physics, I think they have something that feels quite fun and compelling to drive. After many hours in the 1.6 beta and main release I have to say going back to AC1, it feels even better to me now, like what I've picked up from AMS2 has helped me learn to push harder in AC1 more comfortably. Overall I think AMS2 is still really good and worth investing into. But I do hope they have better luck in the future with AMS3 and won't have to constantly update it to try to fix issues with physics and can instead focus on content and features.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Spot on !

[@vitprochazka6868]

Based on comments here, the hype seems to be real. Also I like simracing community to sounds so adult and in many cases not so toxic. Simracers are more like family. For example, I saw many videos of gt7, where drivers were really dirty, but almost never met someone like that in ams2, because, it's more like hobby for them than just spend some time with some game. Im amazed that I'm being almost youngest in discord groups. That passion of daddies is awesome. So your kind of toxic criticism would have much more audience in other gaming communities (hunt showdown for example) thanks for mainly positive content!

[@captainunderpants200]

I remember when GamerMuscle played video games. Ah, good times.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

We did 10 hours live of MSFS and iracing today ! - these videos are a tiny % of what we do.

[@caaarlos]

in LFM AMS2 results can brick your account bug out your ELo. Single player experience also turned way less realistic than before even tho it's harder to beat. They did have some improvements but now I'm finding more and more problems and bugs lol. I kinda like AMS2 and want to enjoy it I mean I've spent the money but I wish it didn't have these weird bugs and problems that I never had in AC and ACC and RRRE.

[@Cry4her]

AMS2 has always "worked", you don't have to put in work to get it going, that has always been the best thing about AMS2. Developers in general doesn't know how important this is.

[@lugs118]

I know it’s a bit on the easy side, but it’s now at the stage where some cars feel very good and I can throw them around and feel like a driving god. It’s not going to become my main sim but it’s great fun for an hour or two when you don’t want to take it too seriously.

[@Mikael_Akerfeldt]

After the update I was mainly driving the GT3 cars and I thought those were pretty good, I only have the base cars and I've settled on the Gen 1 911 RS, but the past few days I've been driving the Formula cars and they still slide wayyy too much imo, I'm not a F1 driver but watch any Formula 1 and it's obvious how planted they are, they have massive downforce and huge sticky tires, in AMS2 the backend is wayyy to lively(as well as weird understeer moments) and you can still catch pretty huge slides. You can mitigate it with the setup(and end up slower...), but it's still there, it's a fundamental part of physics or engine, as you stated. Still loads better than the official F1 game, but the hype was way overblown, yeah you can spin now, but the cars still don't feel as planted as they should. I hate the new menu however, I go into the options quite a lot to mess with the ffb and now I have to have my xbox pad on hand.

[@winnythekahuna8073]

If only car simulation games would have a range of everyday common/ordinary cars inbuilt to the game which allows the user to calibrate the feel of sim racing equipment to that of a car they may have driven or own in real life. So you basically calibrate your rig to feel the same as your RL car to the using the same car model in the sim racing software. Then once the user has the simulated ordinary car feeling the same as their RL car, that the software then calculates and transposes what the developers have in data about how the simulated high end sports cars in their game will behave and recalculate all ffb and suspension effects to your rig without any further calibration or guess work. Like changing the key in music, same tune but different key. User calibration from the ordinary car will be recalculated , then using physics and various suspension and t iredata from high end cars, all necessary forces will output to your ffb wheel and other sim rig equipment automatically. No more guessing or mucking about with individual ffb settings per car. This could also make the grip limit be more realistic per car because the sim rig equipment is calibrated properly by the software to what the user's initial calibration is using their RL experience. If you know that your RL car loses grip and how it feels around a 90degree corner at 75kph then the sim software will calculate that its simulated high end sports car have better performance and let the user feel as such. Of course it would also depend on the quality and fidelity of their equipment how it outputs the real high resistance and loose forces required. I say this because you can spend heaps on a rig that can mimic forces and it is still not a proper training simulator due to software limitations.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I get what your trying to say But road cars generally just feel like crap , with super mushy power steering designed around comfort at 30-70mph and easy parking. Road cars setting with a SIM just would t really translate and shouldn't / software wouldn't be able to take those settings and give an equivalent for a race car as they handle really quite differently and you wouldn't want a race car or drastically different type of car to really line up with road car. Like how you really wouldn't want an arobatic plane to line up with or fly like a passenger jet 😅 Developers. "just" need to make the tires work like tires and other stuff work as much as real life and everything else should generally translate. Ultimately a SIM is abstract from reality and even Sims where they are set up with an exact same real world car as reference are quite different. So the key is more that Sims from a drivers perspective at least focus more on the general process being correct. With any given SIM you can tweak car setups and FFB and pedals to line up with real cars it's not that hard but it is time consuming , often SIM centres have to do this for real drivers it's why things like active pedals are so good. Still even then it's going to be off lol someven if you did what you said and it worked it would still not "work" 🙃. No way to win with sims it's pain and suffering all the way down.

[@winnythekahuna8073]

@@GamerMuscleVideos I think it can work with a good development team tackling the challenge but it would be years away as you are right about still having to get tire physics as true to RL as possible. Been no mention of how suspension accuracy works to add ffb to this day, as the attention is still on tires. I wonder how the million dollar racing team simulators perform? I dream for the day that a consumer grade simracing title as well as peripherals, can claim to be a 100% realism training tool for the cars they have on offer and that VR users won't be able to tell the difference between real and virtual anymore. I am actually surprised how VR has boosted sim racing fun and never thought it would even be a thing back when I was still using Playstation1.

[@CKSimRacing]

Before I even watched the video: first of all, thumbs up, whatever you're talking about.... Next: I do notice and highly appreciate that you're aiming for a more cinematic look with the 24 fps (is it?) and the letterbox. Really cool James!

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

It's still 60fps letter box is to just crop me into the view as the lense is a prime that can't zoom but eorks well in low light and so doesn't need me to put more light on 😂 and it's on top of my monitor lol. Blurred background means room doesn't have to be tidy 😅. But it's all to be more cinematic for sure 😅.

[@kilotangosierra]

i tried 1.6 today, went round a few tracks...and then went about my day. im super excited for the super touring cars coming to raceroom rather

[@Emily1963eh]

I have really tried to like this game, but it still gives me motion sickness, no matter what I do. My biggest issue that when it was at V1, it really wasn't ready for prime time.

[@xxTICxxTOCxx]

If everyone is putting so much development into all the other sims you listed, why are you making daily AMS2 videos? You're riding the hype train just like everyone else. AMS2 is topical at the moment, and whether you love, like or hate the sim it's shedding a light on the whole of sim racing, which is a good thing. But you know yourself, if you were making daily videos on all these other sims, instead of AMS2 these past few weeks your view counts wouldn't be anywhere near as high.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I agree Though rather interestingly , I make videos on topical and "interesting" things . We also have videos on MSFS 24 and also did a 10hour live stream on iRacing and FS today as well as these videos. So actually maybe 1% of time is spent on these videos but people think it's what we spend time on due to their perception of things 😂.

[@markhorsburgh76]

It's fine to have criticism. Obviously it does all boil down to, am I having fun? At the end of the day. But you should always be allowed to have an opinion on what could be better or what is worse or things will never improve.

[@mauriziobronzato]

"the emperor has no clothes"

[@VerTheBonBonVoni]

I'd rather it be too much positivity over too much negativity. I used to be a bethesda fan. Bethesda youtubeland is in absolute shambles. I had to tell youtube to stop recommending channels and videos because it was just outrage videos after outrage videos. If you ever want an extra 100k subscribers you just need to make a video about how starfield was crap and how corporate overlords are ruining our games etc etc etc. Still, I get your point, dialogue around sims is better if the takes are nuanced, taking positives and negatives into account.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

It's not really an issue of positivity or negativity its if either are critical and have an actual point behind them , but being outright positive or outright negative are good ways to get engagement.

[@spybaz]

They need to work on MP. Joining MP games is crap. Most games are 'in a race' so you can't join and if you do join and wait, it's practically impossible to tell how long you're going to have to wait - and that's assuming not everybody leaves at the end of that race. They need to make it a la AC where you can join at any stage (and behave if a race is already running). I almost always give up trying to join an MP race and end up back on AC when I am looking for an MP race. It's a pity because I love the look and feel of the game. And they need to fix the fact that you can't see gear changes when you are spectating.

[@meverett5327]

How many videos do you need to make about a game you don’t like? Milking the hype for views

[@tonydickey3412]

Is any Sim racing title perefect?

[@Themisterdee]

And in the distance faint rumblings of drums can be heard..... as certain race sim factions decide whether this is irking their angst ..... A fair point just too many hype trains

[@FullFledged2010]

Its not that ams2 is perfect far from it but other simulators for me personally have way more downsides. Ac has crap audio and motion. Iracing and raceroom (with dlc cars) too expensive, rfactor 2 = bad menu and bad graphics, Lamens ultimate = too little cars and tracks. And don't even get me started about ACC 🤮 😅

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Its weird how good the motion is from madness engine I have played it on a few motion rigs and even recommended it to a few companies for events.

[@Maartwo]

I think people are just bandwagoning. AMS2 has been great for a long time, it's just that wannabe racing drivers love to shit on it because it's not iRenting and muh realism. It's been the best single player experience I've had in my time simracing, to the point where my VR headset ran out of battery mid race because I was so enthralled by the action on track.

[@peermancolin]

'They Live' excellent

[@Dual1969]

100 % Agree with you GamerMuscleVideos ... Thanks for being brave enough to tell it like it is !! 💯

[@samuelcraigrangi]

There’s certainly been quite a few videos about on it 🤣

[@Belly6815]

I think its just popularity, I’ve not bothered with LMU, iracing etc. AMS2 has really only used dev blogs but the reach of the Reiza KZbin channel is suer small, the Reddit isn’t massive. The marketing really isn’t there either so it’s just it’s been popular. The game has a really big “single player” community. It’s miles better than ACC. AC is a great game and has a massive “cruise” and mod community. Look how RSS etc get hyped by fans. The game is popular so a big update will resonate with offline racers. You’re looking at from the perspective of someone who takes off all the assists and then moans about needing a setup when you hate them 😅 if you play this game in a semi casual way with a touch of abs, traction control and stability control. The cars are planted and great to blast around in and fun. When you drive yourself mental with tuning cars to “fix” them, you can just do the above and have “fun” When I want to feel like a pro, I play AC with authentic settings for things like traction control ABS etc. Then I hit the kerbs and the car is totally janky BS 😂 But if I want just great fun, AMS2, group C but with sneaky abs etc, feel like a driving god. That’s the way to play AMS2. It’s like an amazing GT7 or Forza game.

[@wadegruber2119]

AMS2 has always been overhyped by the community, because people wanted a game to finally be better than RF2. They don't want to believe that they would have to play a niche old game to play the best. All of the other newer games failed to beat RF2, so people wanted AMS2 to be the one that succeeds.

[@g709z5]

I agree that it's a Hope-Hype. Every time people want to believe that this time it's for sure a good update which solve all core issues. But no. No one of them is finished till the end. And in the end they start a new game before finish and polish previous one. Now days There are GT7 only looks like a finished product. iRacing rattled from one side while they update another side. ACC wash broken all the life. Same for RF2. AMS2, RR, LMU, Reinsport in active development, but still not a final product. And like this in the whole simracing industry! So all compare is who broken much or less.

[@SamToulouse]

The way I see it, diversity is a great thing. You like Touring Cars? Get Raceroom and its crazy AI. GT3s? ACC. Protos (with or without GT3s)? LMU. And, until recently, if you loved old slow cars with no grip, AMS2 was the best option. Now what people were complaining about was basically that they wanted AMS2 GT3s to feel like ACC GT3s, and Reiza got closer to that goal, but what made the GT3s sketchy in AMS2 was what was making their Fiat Uno so awesome. And I have driven my share of old hatchbacks, so I can safely say that the Uno in 1.5 was great, but is really bad in 1.6 (ad don't get me started on rallycross...). You just have to check the Time Trials to see that everyone is driving the newer cars and nobody appears to care about the cars and content that actually used to make AMS2 different and interesting. Ultimately, we are heading into a direction that is bad for the community, with all sims focusing on the exact same content. And that hype at the moment is clearly making things worse by drowning the voice of Brazilian series fans under the hype for cars that are good, but that can be found in other sims, often better. I really appreciate the fact that you point out the coerced toxic positivity from KZbinrs. I am tired of hearing: "I did not get paid for this review" when the youtuber has other incentives to make an overly positive review, be it because they got the product they are reviewing for free, or they hope they will get something free or early next time, which brings more view and, ultimately, more money. I am not saying youtubers are dishonest, but saying there is no incentive to be positive is simply not true.

[@lilpup316]

Ams2 along with pc2 shines with the ability to create online servers with A.I , weather, time and length with friends....the only two sims that make it that easy to do with enough physics to make it fun. Throw in vr and triple screen ....makes it soo much fun. If you can tell what the car is doing ....is that enough really?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I don't get why Reiza don't market this more , i bring it up in our review videos and update videos but lots of people still don't know about it.

[@lilpup316]

@@GamerMuscleVideos facts!!!