Sega after the Dreamcast - Game Sack

Episode 126 - So how has Sega been doing since they stopped making consoles? Let's look at some of their games since then and see if they still have any magic left in them.
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[@jeetjeetly]

somewhere out there, a sonic fanboy sheds a tear

[@expectingbrainchild1707]

and somewhere right here, a lonely man gives his own comment a thumbs up (hint: it's you)

[@GameSack]

Expecting Brainchild Actually I thumbed him up because he made me chuckle.

[@jeetjeetly]

Game Sack you're too kind

[@BladeBlur]

If it was S3K I'd shed a tear.

[@jeetjeetly]

***** everyone would that games tops

[@MontyDotharl]

I'm kinda disappointed you guys didn't mention the Yakuza series. That's been pretty much my favorite thing Sega has done recently, and the games are really fun and unique. Kinda like an RPG with action game combat and stories that are like Japanese Godfather. Also, Sega actually did put out an updated version of Virtua Fighter 5 fairly recently, so it's not like that have left it behind or anything.

[@frankschneider6156]

Reilly Weakley At least we'll get a translated Yakuza 5 :-) I had already given up hope.

[@xmaverickhunterkx]

True that! Too bad we're not getting the Samurai Yakuza games (Kenzan and Isshin)

[@TrevHead10]

Which version of VF5 would you recommend to a newcomer? the original or the later XBLA/psn version?

[@MontyDotharl]

Maverick Hunter K Yeah, I've heard they're a lot of fun and they look interesting, but I imagine Sega thinks they're too Japanese or something for America.

[@MontyDotharl]

TrevHead10 Well, if you're new to fighting games or 3D fighting games, I would definitely not recommend Virtua Fighter. They're good, but the learning curve is basically a vertical wall. They're tough to wrap your head around. That said though, if you're just new to the Virtua Fighter series and do have fighting game experience, definitely go for the Final Showdown version.

[@AlphaOmegaSin]

Best thing they've done since Dreamcast hands down is the Yakuza series without a doubt for me

[@Reaper679]

love the channel mane

[@misterkeebler]

AlphaOmegaSin One day i'll get around to trying it. Playing Shenmue 1 and Shenmue 2 PAL on my dc were some of my best gaming memories from that gen. I hear Yakuza is about as close as sega will get to a similar game

[@serge2cool]

AlphaOmegaSin Awesome, didn't expect to see you on a Game Sack video. Glad you have good taste (though I already knew that due to your Ace Attorney videos)

[@brenjinLDK]

AlphaOmegaSin Hell yeah man. So ready for Yakuza 5! :D

[@GiordanDiodato]

AlphaOmegaSin They did publish Bayonetta and a bunch of Platinum games.

[@arcadeperfect3878]

my first console was the dreamcast. when i walked into blockbuster video one fateful day and found all the dc games gone i was crushed. it still hurts, hold me joe.

[@GardevoirEx1]

I hate to be 'that guy', but Sonic Generations really shines on the PC, where the framerate is not an issue.

[@DemomanX614]

Isn't it 60fps?

[@neozeed1984]

not on my old pc

[@VeniVidiRici]

I played Sonic Generations on both Xbox360 and PC and never had any framerate issues.

[@BrySkye]

DemomanX614 If you've got a decent PC, then yes. It's a lovely 60fps at 1080p+ I've got a couple of 60fps vids of it on my channel. Sonic Generations is a funny one. Whilst I wasn't a particular fan of Sonic Colours, I can't really agree with Joe about Generations. It can -seem- like it's just a ride, but to really master the levels, you need some hefty memorisation and (almost) pixel perfect timing, which is actually a lot like the old games if you wanted to get through levels quickly. The summary of the sub-missions is also a bit harsh, since they are usually massively different from the standard levels. That's not to say they are all good, I just wouldn't call them all that lazy or a cheap way to extend gameplay. I did get a chuckle about Joe's description of the homing attack though. Thing about that is, in most previous Modern Sonic games, it was pretty damn unreliable. Something you always _hoped_ would work, but in the back of your mind, you knew at any moment an attack might not home at all leading in an insta-death, lol! It's still not 100% in Generations, but pretty close.

[@Harperlarp]

I think it shine on console too. Best Sonic game IMO.

[@browsertab]

Surprised to hear the underwhelming response to Colours and Generations. I thought both titles were interactive enough to offer multiple paths and improve your speed running at least. They're definitely games.

[@neozeed1984]

compare it to the original mega drive games where you "controlled" the action...

[@Retrovibes]

The "classic" Sonic in Generations is what I wanted Sega to do for years. But, sure enough, they managed to botch it. Enemies are so scarce that there's no challenge whatsoever. You're doing little more than staring at the screen watching Sonic going from one point to another. But thanks to that game, I stopped waiting for the perfect modern Sonic game. It won't happen and it doesn't have to. The 16-bit titles are all that we need.

[@TheTextArc]

Personally I thought both Colors and Generations were pretty interactive, especially since Colors has the Wisps which gives a lot of replayability.

[@koopakape]

"Modern Sonic games are definitely... games."

[@allentoyokawa9068]

colors*** not ColOurs

[@ProtoMario]

Another great episode guys, don't let negative comments keep ya down!

[@GameSack]

There's only a few and they're really not that bad. :)

[@aer0soul]

Game Sack There's just so much more to gaming, I hope we don't have to watch another Sega-centric episode or watch so much Monkey Ball footage any time soon.

[@misterkeebler]

aer0soul Keep in mind, these guys have to work with the collections that they have, or items that they have occasionally borrowed, as in the case of the more rare consoles they have reviewed. They have done clear over 100 episodes, and they differ from other retro channels that tend to focus on one game per episode while Game Sack tends to average around 10 games per show. There is going to be overlap, especially with Sega considering Joe is a self-proclaimed Sega Fanboy, and Dave was at one time going for a complete genesis game collection so he has a ton of games. They are pretty good with giving us a lot of variety, far better than like 90% of the other channels i come across.

[@nickparsons337]

@@GameSack As a huge fan and subscriber; I must say Joe; that I was really shocked that Panzer Dragoon: Oorta wasn't even mentioned. That game still looks gorgeous after all these years.

[@BladeBlur]

That Sonic massacre broke a piece of my heart.

[@brianedward9119]

It broke mine two. Sega are a bunch of turds. Glue sniffing turds :D

[@redcalxz6846]

+FirePrinceZuko 77 I'm pretty sure that's not what he meant.

[@MiloTheMightyDude]

It left me feeling the same as before.

[@benmalsky9834]

Me too. I really like recent Sonic games.

[@tuffasgong]

@Tamaz Okruashvili This was before

[@GreenNinjaTea]

Dang, I thought you were gonna talk about dreamcast homebrew games that came after the dreamcast went under.

[@neozeed1984]

now there's a good topic for them to cover... triple thumbs up!

[@GreenNinjaTea]

neozeed1984 dawww shucks

[@ghostblade2154]

Homebrew games are usually terrible or average. If SEGA and third parties like Capcom weren't developing for Dreamcast then I am not interested.

[@joseagustincuesta]

GhostBlade Well, not Dreamcast related, but there was this awesome RPG that came out for the Sega Genesis and the Sega CD in 2011. It was an excellent game and actually showed how the Sega CD should have been used back in the day. I can't remember the name though...

[@Night-Jester]

José Cuesta pier solar. Gamesack talks about it too :) also a bunch of channels. Looks cool

[@shellshock638]

WHY DIDN'T YOU USE THE BOOST BUTTON IN MODERN SONIC STAGES!!! That is like not using flud in Super Mario Sunshine or the gadget weapons in Ratchet and Clank. If you don't use a mechanic that the game was build around (like jumping in Mario, using the sword in Zelda, or restoring your health in Pokemon centers in Pokemon) then odds are your going to think the game is crappy.

[@GameSack]

Hey guys I found the Sonic fanboy!

[@civdung1758]

Game Sack Ah. There he is.

[@expectingbrainchild1707]

Game Sack Sorry, but that's a legitimate complaint. Not boosting in Colors and Generations is like not holding down run in a 2D Mario, you know? You're not really getting the full experience. Good episode besides that though.

[@shellshock638]

Expecting Brainchild Game sack listen to this man.

[@shellshock638]

Game Sack Well why dint you use the boost button.

[@rogersherman3546]

Came here because your work on the Video Game Years, I liked how you guys actually stuck to it and were one of the few other than Pat who appears regularly!

[@MrIORO]

I just love the fact that you are not pushy about subcription, and the videos are getting better and better, keep the great work Joe and Dave your channel is awsome! By the way i loved vanquish is a great game

[@MicahBuzanANIMATION]

A new episode of Game Sack is the perfect Valentine's Day gift for single folk like me :)

[@AmberShort]

I love my Sega Dreamcast. It was my first Sega console I purchased. While I was sad that Sega killed the Dreamcast, I have no regrets. As for Sega now, I don't know what is going in their mind but they have alot of other neglected games that need to have a sequel or a remake. I also believe that a Shenmue today will probably succeed now since there are games that are now similar to Shenmue. While I like Sonic, I don't like it as much as I do with their other forgotten titles. Happy Belated Valentines Day!

[@samastbury4121]

I enjoyed the vid, but there's a hell of a lot of actual in-house stuff you missed out: Panzer Dragoon Orta, Gun Valkyrie, Jet Set Radio Future, Shinobi (PS2), Yakuza, Binary Domain, Virtua Fighter 4, Virtua Tennis 3 onwards. Those Platinum games aren't exactly Sega games, are they? Also, I decree that Virtua Fighter 5 is, objectively, the best 3D fighter out there.

[@95ogaitnas]

Sam Astbury I'm with you on that, VF5 is one hell of a fighting game and I don't think there are better 3D fighters, I guess it's just the learning curve that turns people off and lack of overall flashiness.

[@mambaregime]

Sam Astbury Only REAL Gamers with skill could survive, beat or master most of the games you mentioned. Hence, why these clowns chose Monkey Ball and Nights instead. Cheat codes or Gamefaqs couldnt save you in Gun Valkyrie, Orta or 1 gem you forgot to mention OTOGI!!!

[@escaperoutebritish]

VF5 is amazing, FS less-so but still brilliant. We need a Fighters Megamix 2.

[@thisisakodibox2635]

@@mambaregime My god my thumbs still hurt 20 yrs later after playing Gun Valkyrie!

[@mylifematter]

From his Linkedin page that reads "...led the launch of the Dreamcast console, the most successful console launch in the history of the industry." He was survived by 2D action and Role Playing games. RIP, Bernard "Bernie" Stolar.

[@drakon32]

It hurts to see any game destroyed. That's one less for future generations.

[@skins4thewin]

LOL the joke was literally to make fun of those who bitch about such things, and you guys STILL fell for it by commenting on it here in this vid. Get a freaking life.

[@V0YAG3R]

skins4thewin Get a freaking life, says the basement dweller butthurt about someone's comment on a KZbin video 👌🏻 Tras de ladrón, bufón.

[@MrThunderwing]

Hey Dave, FYI there was an Outrun themed level for Sonic and All Stars Transformed, but it was DLC only. A shame Sega didn't make a Daytona USA themed one as well, but I must admit I get a bit of a kick out of using the Daytona Hornet (The AGES unlockable character) on the Outrun level.

[@andrewbutler9533]

Out run 2 all day long for me, playing it still to this day, love it! Greatest arcade racer of all time.

[@DimerNL]

Just wanted to say i love the series, brings back good memories. Glad to see you guys are still making new episodes!

[@porjay]

Man the production values on your videos are amazing. Keep up the great work!

[@leonardoantonio8756]

Vanquish is pretty good, very underrated.. shame

[@arvinbautista4287]

I love this game. You can play it like gears, but it's much more than that. The dash mechanic and the bullet time modes are so key to actually enjoying the game.

[@leonardoantonio8756]

Arvin Bautista and is pretty damn fast paced!

[@arvinbautista4287]

Leonardo Antonio I know right? I didn't "get it" at first and played it like a regular 3rd person shooter, but when I did the challenge modes, THAT'S where it clicked. I love that game!

[@jonathanlisowski5618]

Vanquish is Amazing!

[@simon12332]

I finally took the time to sit down and watch your show, and I am very impressed!

[@daSEGAfanatic]

I still remember seeing Vanquish for the first time and thinking "...Shadow the Hedgehog should've played like this."

[@MicrofoneDC]

I recently signed up after I saw some episodes and I really enjoying the channnel. I don't really like to comment youtube stuff but I felt that I should give congratulations to you guys. Also I'm a really Sega fan and would like to see some japanese Dreamcast games in the series Left in japan!

[@thecynicalsprite1847]

I actually really like some modern Sonic games (Namely: SA, SADX, Colors, Heroes, 4, Generations, Unwiished and most of his handheld adventures.)

[@tuffasgong]

I thought generations wasn't that bad of a game.

[@coreylineberry8557]

tuffasgong Generations was great!

[@dimitripapadopoulos5180]

Honestly most of the new one's aren't really that bad. Sonic Unleashed was mostly fun, had sort of a muppet feel to it, which I enjoyed for the retro comedic side of it. The gameplay was good, nice combat and fun boss fights. My only issue with it was the "hub world", to much padding and searching for the next mission. The only prerequisite for a player getting to the next mission in a Sonic style game should be beating the previous mission and that should go for Mario style games as well. None of this collect enough stars or Rings bullshit.

[@RyonMugen]

omg that smashing bit at the end, it hurt my heart.

[@MarquisSmith]

I'm not usually a big racing fan, but for my money, the version of Sega Rally on the 360 is one of the most underrated games from the previous generation. It was just incredibly fun to play. Even the Wife got hooked, and she usually only plays retro style platformers. Was it lacking in modes? Yeah. Could it have done with more courses and cars? Sure. Did I play it with a huge smile on my face regardless of these shortcomings? You better believe it.

[@michielkroder4031]

Really cool episode, but I did not like the bashing of VF5. It has to be the most refined 3D fighting game out and is one of the few SEGA franchises still exclusively being worked on by an in-house development team (the legendary AM2). Even though we don't have a VF6, SEGA hardly left the series hanging as VF5 has steadily been receiving updated editions. Also: the simple 3 button control scheme has not stopped the series from gaining immense depth since VF2.

[@Sjono]

Binary Domain and Vanquish are their best third person shooters, too bad it didn't sell as well to be major franchises

[@GameSack]

Lack of marketing would be my guess. I'd take Vanquish any day over Gears of War and that sells like hot cakes... pretty much. I think Sega needs more gamers in their marketing department.

[@Sjono]

Its a great thing that they were offered on PS+ so many people experience these gems

[@cloudtx]

I would buy Binary Domain in a heartbeat if it had REAL co-op. I just find it amazingly stupid that they didn't put that in a squad based shooter.

[@GVegainthehouse]

Dreamcast 2 will only come out in your dreams. If it ever comes out I'll by two!

[@1artisticwings]

Just want you guys to know I really appreciate the hard work and dedication you all put into this channel! I also notice you guys putting a little slapstick at the end of your vids...keep up the good work!!!!

[@mage1over137]

I appreciate how you guys put out a show every two weeks like clock work. Thank you. BTW How much time do you put in making each episode if you don't mind me asking?

[@tetrisdave]

Thanks! Well lets see I spend around 10-15 hours recording game footage and writing up my thoughts for the games I'm covering. I then hand it over to Joe who edits it all together with his game footage and thoughts. I'm not sure how much time Joe puts in but it's more then me.

[@changsik2]

100% agree with you. Game Sack will always be the "classier" game channels on youtube. They don't take their fans for granted and genuinely seem like smart, classy guys that love video games.

[@Tomtanza]

David White I know its a lot of work, plus you have ur family and ur work :) thanks for being awesome

[@02337755]

David White wow but it def shows, you guys put out an awesome product

[@mage1over137]

David White Well thank you for putting on a quality show.

[@KasbashPlays]

Wow, you guys really hate Sonic post Sonic Adventure eh?

[@mccobsta]

Dave has nightmares about him

[@mrsmilee]

addicted to your longform videos - thanks so much guys.

[@gozinta82]

I always love coming home from work to find a new episode from Game Sack. I've never been disappointed w/ your videos, as the perspectives between you two are always keeping it fresh. You've definitely improved from the beginning; I know what you mean about liking sega games. I used to be a nintendo fan all the way, then a friend of mine gave me his genesis/sega cd when he moved. I've been buying sega games ever since!

[@GrumpyMonk86]

I hate it when game reviewers destroy games.

[@Jayhooft]

One of the best shows online

[@matthewlane518]

Indeed

[@towermoss]

It's criminal that GS don't have over a million subscribers. It's one of the most underrated channels out there.

[@Raonisk]

Haha the girl in the car on OutRun saying "what are you doing?" seems to have come directly from Crazy Taxy...lol, same line, same voice! No coincidence, I bet

[@SwankeyMonkey]

Love to see two older bearded men discuss gaming, intellectually and sincerely. Gives me hope that I will not be an odd duck for when I am gaming at 80. SEGA's so many amazing IPs give me reason to game for life.

[@SwankeyMonkey]

Thanks Dave for my receiving the thumbs up from you, especially regarding the topic of my comment, SEGA. I admit I am a diehard SEGA fanboy, but I do very much respect Nintendo, and even have a sizeable Nintendo collection. But, I acknowledge your recognition was just from a true gamer to a true gamer; which is also why your channel is my first go-to in regards to the best of retro gaming.

[@Lastcastor]

This episode was most certainly an interesting one to say the least. It kinda felt surreal to see you guys cover a lot of modern games in a single episode. I have to agree with what Joe said about people buying Sonic games because SEGA just keeps making them. Although if you aren't a big SEGA fan you won't be hearing much about anything else that isn't Sonic. For example I didn't know about most of the games in this list and had no idea just how many games House of the Dead had. Also I was hoping to see you guys talk about the Super Monkey Ball game on the Vita to see if it is worthwhile. My biggest grippe with this episode was that you guys didn't cover much of the stuff SEGA did for the GC, PS2 and Xbox. Other than that you guys picked a really good topic and it is fun to see Dave get some revenge.

[@GameSack]

Unfortunately we're unable to cover Vita games as there's no good way to capture decent footage.

[@ShogunGin0]

Game Sack I thought you could connect the Vita to a PS3 and play it on the TV, and record off the PS3 video out? I'm pretty sure I've seen decent Vita footage online before.

[@NickBLeaveIt]

swilco266 The PlayStation TV has HDCP :( I have heard Banana SPlitz is a long awaited Super Monkey Ball game that's remotely decent.

[@slightlytwistedagain]

NickBLeaveIt There is hardware out there that can bypass it.

[@NickBLeaveIt]

slightlytwistedagain Even so, SMB: BS isn't compatible with PlayStation TV. (And this "Hardware" can actually be considered illegal)

[@nohomers100]

"crappy modern sonic" Joe how do you really feel?

[@videogamegenius]

30:02 "This has super long boss battles and that's one of my biggest pet peeves in gaming" Then you'd hate Destiny.

[@GameSack]

Yeah probably.

[@silenceenigma587]

Game Sack You guys should be on Did You Know Gaming.

[@sperrin]

Hate Destiny as it's a really crap, bland, grinding, boring game. The boss battles are the only good thong about it...and they are shit.

[@manaphylv100]

I don't like those unnecessarily long boss battles either, especially when the bosses can regenerate health or heal themselves. But what I really hate are normal enemies with tons of HP, because they serve no other purpose than hindering your progress, and making "level grinding" (when applicable) even more of a chore. A prime example of this is the last phase in Ar Tonelico - with random encounters and massive-HP enemies, I just ran from almost every battle simply because it's not worth the time...

[@videogamegenius]

manaphylv100 Then you'd hate Destiny too lol.

[@user-og8jy1ib7f]

Sakura Wars V: So Long My Love is one of my favorite games that I've played in the past 4 years. I loved it so much on the PS2 that I bought the wii version for cheap. It's like a mech anime as a game. You have the Story segments that play like a visual novel and the combat segments feel like the awesome battles in a mech anime, that play a whole lot like the Valkyria Chronicles games Jet Set Radio Future was one of my favorite games to play as kid and replaying it brought back a lot of memories and even trivia I didn't know of. Like that BS 2000 has their music in the game. I like the Hatsune Miku games on the PSP, PS3, and Vita. The music is cathy and the game is colorful. The game is a fun music rhythm game since you want to watch the background animations but the prompts to press the buttons are always on the move. Not so much made or published by Sega but the crossover games Projext X Zone and Project X Zone 2 were really fun and had great fanservice for the fans of the companies represented in the game. The games are repetitive and long so don't try to finish the game in one go or you'll be burnt out quick.The games don't even feature Sonic so if you want a game that recognizes that Sega isn't just Sonic, then the game might be for you.

[@Psyagnostic]

Please don't smash up game cartridges, that shit ain't right! :'(

[@xerzy]

Seriously... Sonic Colors and Generations are not that static. *You* are the one who kept repeating actions and just going from point A to point B. There's quite some exploration in both games, you can try to speed up as much as you are able to (which is what Sonic games are for... you know... the name... the Genesis games...), and if you get to enjoy it, do some other activities like missions (I love many of the Generations ones). Unleashed-styled games are not just FMV-like games. It just so happens that you tried to do what the game told you. You didn't even try to boost or skid, as it was shown on the footage!

[@xerzy]

P. S.: Not trying to be a hater or a troll, just giving my opinion. I apologize if I have offended someone.

[@SonofMrPeanut]

I did feel he was being way too subjective about the whole thing, not even attempting to understand what appeal a Sonic from Adventure on would have. I do suppose that would be hard for someone who would consider boost pads and "highway" stages a sacrifice of gameplay.

[@xerzy]

***** Thank you! ^_^ It's my furry persona, Xerz. Took some effort to do it with vectorial graphics. Still not as good as yours :P

[@SakuraAvalon]

***** I like the colour blue. I don't actually, I was being sarcastic. Could you tell? I bet you could!

[@xerzy]

***** Haha. That was funny.

[@TheRamblingG]

Binary Domain is by far my favorite post Dreamcast SEGA game. I didn't have high hopes because of the voice commands but after playing the game I'm a #1 fan of the title :)

[@jessicayoung7087]

Sonic racing is like a perfect mix of f zero and Mario kart

[@chuckycheesechucky]

I can't believe Dave smashed those carts. Think about the starving kids in China!

[@tetrisdave]

I did but they can't eat cartridges.

[@Wykesidefruitmachine]

Burn

[@mynthon0]

Kids starve in China? News to me. :) China isn't really that poor anymore, even on per capita basis. (Not to mention that China is actually the biggest market for basically everything nowadays, from cars to iPhones.)

[@johnhoag7678]

What, no mention of the Yakuza series? Possibly one of their best post-Dreamcast series of games, and the closest we'll probably get to another Shenmue (though, I actually like Yakuza better than Shenmue.) Aside from that, another great episode.

[@GameSack]

I always avoided that series mainly because people keep comparing it to Shenmue (which they really shouldn't). It's like "Here... play this. It's not Shenmue but it's the next best thing!" I don't want the next best thing, I want Shenmue! As a game it should be sold on its own merits. I'd probably really enjoy it if not for the constant comparisons.

[@kameoosama]

Game Sack It's not really thaaat much like Shenmue. The comparison is really just on the pure amount random stuff you can do like play Pachinko and Mahjong and get massages and do karaoke. The main game is about fighting and is kind of like a really good 3d brawler. It's also got a lovably insane story.

[@lhadatt]

Game Sack I'm going to suggest that you try the series, but I won't say that it's a substitute for Shenmue. It's got some of Shenmue's DNA, but they're rather different. It's more a different take on the concept than it is a replacement for its predecessor. I ignored Yakuza for years and I didn't realize that I was missing out on some fun games until recently. I tried Yakuza 1, and immediately sought out the others since they're becoming rare. Also -- there is an Outrun stage for SASR Transformed. It's unlockable, and it's pretty great. There's even an DLC kart on PC with Ryo driving a transformable arcade cabinet -- it's an Outrun cabinet on land, Super Hang-On on water, and Space Harrier in the air. Sumo are pretty clearly fans of Outrun.

[@frankschneider6156]

Game Sack Realistically, Shenmue is gone and it will not return. It has now legendary status, but never sold well in its time. So if MS doesn't buy the IP or throws containers of money at Sega to boost XBONE sales with Shenmue 3, it will not reincarnate. You shouldn't get yourself get strapped from experiencing a great series, just because of other people's comparisons. Give it a try. Do i sound like a fanboy ? Oops ... well maybe i am for this series.

[@frankschneider6156]

kameoosama I feel that one of the selling points of the series is its epic story line combined with an rather open world that has a strong japanese flavor. I feel that the beat em up gameplay alone would only make a rather dull game. But throw in the awesome story, the atmosphere, the missions and side-mission and all the other stuff and it becomes this awesome experience. Calling it a Brawler imho doesn't do it justice. I would rather compare the series to GTA than Shenmue. All 3 just have in common, that they are open world games.

[@DeathCrustPunk]

I don't have much interest in the topic of this show, but Joe and Dave manage to make another awesome show that held my attention and entertained/informed. Awesome job dudes!

[@zachwave]

Nintendo is Red Sega is Blue The beards are still cool. This isn't RPGs part III, but it'll do. Love you dudes~

[@retroalliancegaming9210]

outrun was there. It's a bonus stage on the wii u

[@DBoy2029]

You forgot to mention that Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed also has Wreck-It Ralph!

[@silenceenigma587]

And Danica Patrick.

[@NewGabeOrder]

DBoy2029 The first Sonic & All Stars Racing hand Banjo & Kazooie as an Xbox 360 exclusive racer. They're absent from Transformed.

[@nathanweeks1257]

This was pretty interesting, and you guys were entertaining as pretty much always. I hadn't realized Sega had been involved with some of these games.

[@cassouwassou7364]

Great episode as usual!! Thanks for your great work guys! Keep em coming!

[@PeteSkerritt]

Nothing makes a cold, snowy, hurricane-force windy day better than a new Game Sack episode. SEGA after going third-party has definitely been a mixed experience, with ups (the Yakuza series, SEGA All-Stars Racing, Virtua Tennis 3, OutRun 2006, and Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution) and downs (Virtua Quest, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Boom, the Super Monkey Ball games for the Wii). I do think that SEGA was consistently better during the Dreamcast era and back, but those days are gone, sadly. SEGA is undergoing some serious reorganization, and with more focus on mobile and PC games... the chances of a new SEGA console are infinitesimal. I'd sure love to see a repeat of the first year of the Dreamcast's lifespan... but I'd also love to inherit a billion dollars. Another great episode, guys!

[@m4r5hi4nbeam4]

yeah want my game sack

[@sowmassow9459]

Comment tu vas

[@GiordanDiodato]

Peter Skerritt I liked Sonic Unleashed.

[@dicapriodelorean2888]

Peter Skerritt virtua quest sucked. i'm glad i used my money to buy virtua fighter 4 evolution

[@ChillyPeppers]

i gotta say, it was reeeally weird to play mario kart 8 after playing the all-stars racing games. mario kart just feels so slow (and the action just feels so boring) in comparison. i really hope they make a 3rd game, that'd be amazing.

[@getterchrist1041]

Yeah, I agree. To be honest, I think Nintendo should take a break from Mario Kart, and use it's budget for a new F-Zero, but that probably won't happen. A Mario X Sonic Kart game would be cool too.

[@bigstupidgrin]

Getter Christ I enjoy Kart 8, but agree that another F-Zero would be fantastic. Too bad Nintendo has to rely on their mascots...

[@getterchrist1041]

+bigstupidgrin Yeah, it is a shame. It feels as if Captain Falcon has become a Smash Bros. mascot instead of a F-Zero mascot.

[@kab5592]

Getter Christ f-zero would look fantastic on the wiiu! i miss the old fast, action-packed gameplay that sent my heart racing. with the added effect of wiiu graphics it could be 10x better!

[@browsertab]

Mario Kart 8 is really easy too. I will probably never unlock the AGES racer in Racing Transformed but I can blitz through 150cc in MK8 without ever letting to of the acceleration.

[@popculturehero]

Sega has a very arcade philosophy to them. So that's why a lot of their games can seem like grand and polished spectacle rides. But there is often a lot of depth under the surface as you guys connected with in outrun and all stars racing. think vanquishes boss battles are there to vary up the gameplay, breaking down the forms of the huge adapting mechs instead of just killing a regular enemy with a big health bar.

[@cephalicsabbath]

always good way to end my night watching you guys

[@salozmen29]

That is why I always hated the Not For Resale version of Sonic the Hedgehog. That stupid bar at the top of the screen for the whole game was annoying.

[@GANGRELION]

Please! Tell me you guys didn't really smashed a real Sonic The Hedgehog cartridge! NOOOoooo!

[@RetroGamePlayers]

Please SEGA make a new Sega Mars, Jupiter, Solar or whatever works best for you system!! Even though you closed down your San Fran office, the world is ready! Great vid Game Sack!

[@turnipgoat2497]

Not Long found Game Sack and I am loving it!! I know I know... where have I been! Seeing as it's a Sega episode (and I've just dug out my old Sega Master System!!) I thought you guys might remember the Sega Master System Control stick? It wasn't mentioned in the controller episode (old Game Sack ep7). Joe and Dave mention the Genesis control stick with its huge Knob (Ha!) but I seem to remember the Master System control stick being mightily endowed with an even bigger knob (Ha! x2)? Am I just dreaming or was the Master System control stick bigger? Was there even a control stick for the Master System? My memory might have made the whole thing up!! Carry on the great work Joe and Dave!!

[@frankschneider6156]

Game Sack I can't believe that you are talking about Post-Dreamcast Sega and don't mention the Ryu ga gotoku (aka Yakuza) series. It's probably the best thing Sega has ever done and it's revenues are one of the things that keep Sega alive (well at least in Japan). I can only assume, that you don't really know it. If so, give it a try, you won't be disappointed. (and better start in order with game 1, as it is highly story driven).

[@MrKmika7e]

Don't worry. They will make Sega after the Dreamcast episode 2 for sure.

[@CamsEyeView]

MrKmika7e too bad Joe will just brush past the game's biggest gimmicks like he did with Sonic Colors and Vanquish

[@ShogunGin0]

You think the aiming on Wii lightgun games is off? Did you try calibrating it in the game's options? I haven't been able to play any Dreamcast lightgun games, but I remember having to calibrate a Guncon 2 for my PS2 to play Time Crisis 3, and it worked fine afterwards. Another thing I notice is that some people who just use the wiimote for lightgun games without a zapper or other peripheral is that some tend to slightly tilt their hand upwards when they pull the B button, throwing off their aim a bit. A small theory I have as to why you feel the need for a reticule on Wii lightgun games is that, well, you're used to having a reticule pointer for Wii games. I mean, the Wii menus and several games have pointers in them, so when you're asked to play a point-n-shoot game that all of a sudden defaults to no pointers, you can't immediately mentally adjust for the lack of what you used to have. It's kinda strange that you say the PS3 Move feels more accurate, since I've heard people say (at least for Dead Space Extraction) that the Wii version feels more accurate because it has a wider calibration range, or something.

[@GameSack]

Oh yes, definitely calibrated. Made sure the Wii knew where my sensor bar was as well. Actually these were played on the Wii U. I tried the Wii itself recently and for whatever reason the aiming seems more accurate. I don't really know why that would be the case.

[@ShogunGin0]

Game Sack I personally don't recommend playing Wii games on the Wii U. From personal experience, even setting the console output to 720p, regardless whether you use component or hdmi for the Wii U, I see some nasty artifacts, especially in some in-game graphics cutscenes. The opening cutscene in Skyward Sword when you start a new file looks terrible, with numerous vertical strips of black grain that was never there when playing on a Wii. This doesn't happen with all games, but the only improvement I see in playing Wii discs on the Wii U is slightly more accurate colors. Other times, I just see the jagged edges in sharper resolution, which I'd rather not have. And with you saying that your lightgun games seemed off with the Wii U, even after calibration, whilst I never had issue with lightgun games on the Wii, well that makes me not really want to play Wii games on the Wii U. I personally play my Wii games off a hard drive connected to my softmodded Wii, which I do recommend. With the right USB loader, you slightly decrease load times, take pressure off the Wii's laser (only a problem with dual layer discs), and it bizarrely seems to improve the resolution. My friend and I tested it on Xenoblade Chronicles, and we both saw improvement, to our surprise.

[@joshuamichael1232]

thank you for making these!

[@darksamurai73]

Nice to see vanquish get some love, fantastic game that got over looked.

[@Medachod]

I disagree with a few of your opinions concerning Sonic Generations. 1) The game does require some skill in the latter levels. But personally, I actually like playing Sonic games to enjoy the ride. 2) There is a 60fps version available, but you chose not to play that version and simply believed all versions were 30fps. It has some of the best music in the series that is remastered rather than remixed which is awesome, but in some cases they did remix it where it was most welcomed. It is my favorite current Sonic game and is the only one I enjoyed out of any other one due to its awesome appraisal to the old games. But, they should have had more levels which is that game's biggest flaw. But, all the other modern Sonic games are just a load of ass. Sonic Colors had that cool song that was great until the buildup ended. I thought the co-op was cool in that one at first, but realized that in Sonic games it is worthless and the only real fun you can have in a Sonic game with two friends is competitive play since it is two different screens. I guess you could do co-op that way, but really how is your pal helping you play? Just feels like a competitive race with story. I wish Sonic Generations had a competitive mode, but for whatever reason they did not. Would have been awesome if at least the PC version had it since it could have handled it. The console versions were just struggling so hard to keep a mere 30fps alone into the game. After switching over from the console version to the PC version, I was blown away at how much faster it was in not only gameplay, but loading times.

[@GameSack]

I definitely agree on the music. It's generally pretty good. As far as the 60fps PC version goes, that's great to hear but we're console gamers. We're the true Master Race. Don't make us start a race war!

[@Medachod]

Well all I was trying to say is to not zone out PC versions of a game if they have certain aspects of a game you thought were non-existent. I am a console gamer too! I just play all of my past consoles on the PC instead to save money! Oh and it has a great love for backwards compatibility. If I buy one computer, I can play it all! Even the old-school consoles. But, I do have a soft spot for my SEGA Saturn since it is impossible to emulate it on my computer and is the only console I was willing to purchase just because of how interesting and fun its games were.

[@rasalyankovic]

Medachod there was even another Sonic Generations that he didn't mention. The 3DS version.

[@Medachod]

123Robguy We dare not speak of that one. It has no right to even be considered another port due to it being a 3D Sonic Rush basically. there are literally NO 3D Modern Sonic stages at all in it.

[@rasalyankovic]

Medachod That's why I love it.

[@hydeks]

Don't listen to Dave, keep doing SEGA videos, SEGA's awesome! His love for Nintendo is unnatural and weird lol Every time I watch an episode though, you really make me wish SEGA was still a first party making consoles :-(

[@tetrisdave]

Nintendo love is nothing but natural.

[@hydeks]

Lol ok fair enough, least your not an Atari guy lol great video guys, keep them up!

[@supersonicsjm]

I'm glad you liked Transformed, it was fun to work on for me, I did enjoy bug testing for it at Sumo. Just for reference sake, Daytona and Outrun were used in the game. You have the track Outrun Bay which was available in the special edition and as DLC and AGES car form is the Hornet from Daytona.

[@Sanzarc]

Thanks for recommending Valkyria Chronicles, it is probably a game that is going to keep me occupied for some time.

[@ChrisLeeW00]

As long as people keep buying and defending sonic games, they have no incentive to make them better. This is the Sonic we deserve!

[@GameSack]

You, sir, are correct!

[@akeminakajima449]

Well barely anyone bought Boom but Generations and Lost World were fun games

[@krystaldragon17]

Christopher wootton Boom was the worst selling sonic game in the history of the franchise, sooooooo...

[@hotsexspy2267]

krystaldragon17 Can we burn every copy of Sonic Boom so future generations won't have to experience this piece of tragedy?

[@ssjup81]

Christopher wootton I've heard the horrors of the Sonic Boom game and how it was rushed, like Sonic '06, but Sonic Boom Fire & Ice is fun.

[@gr4yJ4Y]

Joe, I love Game Sack, but I have to really disagree with your opinions on Sonic Generations and Sonic Colors. The modern gameplay in Sonic Generations actually adds value over the classic gameplay. There's more you can do to control your character - move left, right, jump, boost, zip between left, right, and center lanes, grinding, hooming attack, speed up or slow down while falling in some sections, 2D sections and 3D sections. If just playing through the regular levels isn't fun for you, try the time attacks. Time attacks aren't for everyone, but it is really fun with modern Sonic in this game. Classic Sonic is still good too, but the physics are just different enough from the Genesis games to feel inaccurate and it lacks the same kind of depth for time attacks. Generations has some of the best level design in the series for both modern and classic. And the game would have been too short without those "padding" missions, some of which are really fun takes on these classic level themes. The real issue with Sonic Generations is it doesn't go all in on the Sonic fandom. Why not make the source levels half from the Genesis Sonic games and half from posr-Genesis Sonic games? Why are there so many city themed levels? Why isn't the story as fleshed out as Colors? The thing I really disagree with is what was said about Sonic Colors. There was no mention of wisps and how they change the gameplay or make you want to go back and explore earlier levels. There was no mention of how they differentiate the game and no mention of bosses or how the under water sections are different from previous Sonic games or the high level of polish the game has. I wonder what Dave thinks about these games.

[@GameSack]

You are definitely welcome to disagree! Thanks for explaining why you do in a level-headed manner. I don't know what Dave thinks since he has refused to buy Sonic games for a long time but I can imagine he'd probably like them less than I would. But I can't say for 100% sure.

[@gr4yJ4Y]

Game Sack Thank you for always providing great KZbin content and giving level-headed responses with your viewers!

[@SpazziJackazzi]

The original game on a megadrive was kinda groundbreaking at the time. It's hard to compare the two

[@tomwagner9933]

Random opinion: This is the best retro gaming related show on the internet.

[@christianholmes9993]

Thanks for the Valkyria Chronicles tip off guys. Just got the PC version and I'm hooked!

[@KizuxTheo]

God, I fucking love watching you guys and your videos. Also, Dave likes Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing more than Mario Kart? I'm surprised there isn't a flood of nintendo fanboys raging in the comments. I kinda share Dave's opinion, specially because I hate the rubber-banding in Mario Kart games, making your skills play no part in winning, just the RNG of getting the best items when you're falling behind. Items in S&S A-S Racing are more balanced in my opinion, and you can recover easily from them, and making the 1st to 8th place bullshit from Mario Kart games less possible, specially if you know how to play.

[@tetrisdave]

Thank You! I'm also surprised people aren't going after me for liking SEGA's kart racers better then Nintendo's. I will admit that I do like the new DLC tracks in MK8. They are really well done for the most part and can't wait to try the new ones coming out in May.

[@iPlaySEGA]

I miss the 90's... :-(

[@drew6874]

@iPlaySEGA!! So do I

[@MrLordpistoia]

We all do

[@davidmaglioli7048]

Sega published Alien Isolation which is probably one of the best games they've been involved with in a while. It's to bad they're on deaths door financially and we probably wont see many games developed from them other than mobile games. Great video guys!

[@Balc0ra]

I loved Vanquish. Def a title most have missed, and it's rather fun. And has one of the most challenging achievements on 360. To complete the game on a high difficulty and don't die at all. Took me awhile to get that one. Loved the distraction method when he tosses a half used smoke to draw the enemy fire with. I need to play it again one day.

[@OtakuFREEMAN]

I ♥ Virtua Fighter!

[@Stone8age]

Hey where's yakuza and jet set radio? Too bad you left the out

[@ew275x]

That Sonic Gameplay is missing the boost, since Generations and Colors are mostly based on completing the stage as fast as possible. Boost speeds up Sonic and makes the modern stages feel like a racing game. Also it gives more uses to the rings and tricks since those allow you to maintain your boost. Also isn't Vanquish about a guy in power armor sliding?

[@BlackMoore82]

Before the Mario Kart franchise there was the kart racing game Power Drift in 1988, the gameplay & look of it was similar to Out Run.

[@abelperez1434]

I'm still waiting for Streets of Rage 4

[@mickaka]

It was developed by Core and renamed Fighting Force after they had a fallout with SEGA over making the game multi-platform.

[@mattfahringer148]

@@mickaka HE MEANS A PROPER SOR4 YOU STUPID SACK OF SHIT

[@bl9464]

It's on the way

[@dylanthompson2519]

No Alien Isolation?

[@GameSack]

Dylan Thompson We have that in a different episode.

[@Bobman-ml5qf]

Game Sack What episode?

[@Iliek]

+Bobman9420 there is an episode guide at gamesack.net

[@TammyNguyenTheKawaiiBunny]

Bobman9420 The Female Protagonist episode.

[@UNOxDExELLOS]

Seriously Joe, you are a master of lighting and white balance. I love Game Sack.

[@GameSack]

Thanks! Now be sure to skip some of our older episodes because they look BAD! I look at them now and I'm like "The hell was I thinking?"

[@captainlucario5754]

Gamesack, Daytona USA and Outrun IP's were used in Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed. OutRun Bay is a track, and the car AGES used the Hornet from Daytona USA on land. Just wanted to point that out.

[@vacajinjo]

I hate when you smash consoles or cartridges, even if they are spare ones. STOP DOING THAT GUYS :_(.

[@PickleRick91x]

It's there shit to do what they want with it.... An how do you know if it was even a working game....doubt they would smash working shit. They collectors too...

[@CaptAwesumNo1Zone]

SONIC 4 LYFE

[@sweetpeachnectar]

just gave a thumb down for breaking the sonic games. do you guys have to break my heart that bad? :'(

[@tetrisdave]

We promise not to do it anymore. I do have a completely broken PS3 though that might get a sledge hammer in the future but that will be it until another console/game stops working.

[@KoopaXross]

Sonic & All-stars racing does have an Outrun track. It comes with the special editions of the game which can literally be found everywhere. I've seen them on shelves long after release date.

[@BifrostMR]

I did really enjoy this episode of game sack, I love how objective you guys are. You can almost describe it as objective subjective criticism, very objective opinions and i love it. If what i just said didn't make sense you can put it this way, when you got the balls to say that you enjoyed Sega all stars racing more than mario kart and then back it up with objective statements.

[@timmer919hep]

Sadly, it seems like SEGA is on the way out...with the whole downsizing/mobile games focus they announced recently...

[@jovo3dsmax]

I think is funny how they say that kids watching should go away .... Because there will be some language. Horrific mutulation that's okay but when someone says "fuck" that's not appropriate for children. Oh a bit nudity... Lock your children away but you may show them how much guns your character can carry and how much damage they do.... killing no problem I guess they do that in the army anyway so you may as well as prepare children for that....Americans....

[@nohomers100]

I think the idea behind it is a kid is more likely to swear if exposed to bad language and if the parent watches stuff like that with kid the kid will more likely swear in front of the parents. Killing is objectively wrong and most sane kids know it’s wrong to shoot someone or cut their heads off. Foreigners

[@ivog443]

dave just living out his years of passion

[@joshruiz809]

Purchased Vanquish, looks like a fun game. Thanks for recommendation Joe!

[@MizfitZer0]

Sega keep making Sonic games for the same reason Nintendo keep making Mario and Zelda games.... because Sonic is the reason Sega are even around now, without Sonic Sega would of died in the 90's... he is their main franchise and the games continue to sell millions... I just don't understand how Joe is such a SEGA FANBOY yet constantly bashes Sonic... hell I believe he doesn't even care for the classic Sonic games from the 16 bit era... yet he enjoys long and dull turn based RPG's where each battle lasts half hour?... it's head scratching to say the least, from saying Sonic Adventure on Dreamcast is 1 of the worst 3D platform games of all time (?!) to complaining that Sonics name is in Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing... I can never tell if he is actually trolling or not with his Sonic hate

[@sonicmario64]

Just to let everyone know, I will only stop liking the Sonic series if the characters were portrayed as humans instead of anthropomorphic animals, the latter of which I tend to prefer. :P

[@Abel-Alvarez]

@@sideskroll is hit and miss 😁😂

[@Abel-Alvarez]

Honestly this can be said about xbox with halo tbh. Without it there's hardly anything out there that stands out for the xbox lineup (especially in terms of exclusive games like for the xbox one)

[@TeDiouS1001]

Annnd... decided not to sub, just for the destruction piece.

[@GameSack]

OK.

[@klonoa48]

+Game Sack Not that it'd bother me if it was real, but you didn't really break that cart, did you? XD

[@ChristopherRichmond]

+Game Sack you broke my heart! Poor Sonic! :( Subscribed, twice.

[@TeDiouS1001]

+Christopher Richmond - Funny. Seems like everyone is wasteful nowadays. What's next? "Let's smash a couple Apple II's, nobody likes those, right?"

[@stewutz]

+TeDiouS1001 This is why we need to be allowed to publicly shame people. So wasteful to see classic games destroyed. Thumbs down.

[@wdcain1]

5:24 "Honestly, I don't know why Sega keeps pushing Sonic so hard." You and me both, buddy. Sega has a lot of great properties (Shinobi, Phantasy Star, Crazy Taxi, Vector Man, Jet Set Radio, Guardian Heroes, & Kid Chameleon) but keeps ignoring them while only developing games about the Hedgehog. I wish Sega would get its act together and be as great as it once was.

[@wdcain1]

***** Shenmue 3 is on it's way (hopefullly) since it passed it's kickstarter. I wish we'd get a re-release of all the Panzer Dragoon games but sadly Sega lost the source code for all the games. I never played Otogi. Is it any good?

[@alanboro]

I'd love to watch a themed episode about games that are nostalgic to you guys.... games from your childhood (or later in life) that made an impact on you, on whichever system that is... like the "guilty pleasure" episode you guys did, but themed on games you remember playing before becoming collectors