Who Sabotaged the Russian-German Pipeline?

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The world is in the middle of a massive whodunnit: who sabotaged the Nord Stream pipeline? This video covers the evidence known so far, who the main suspects are, and what their motivations might be.
0:00 The Nord Stream Sabotage
0:27 The Evidence
4:07 Putin and the Russian Government
7:52 Russian Hardliners
10:06 Russian Partisans
11:41 Ukraine
13:28 German Hardliners
14:13 NATO Countries
16:19 Gas Exporters
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[@Invertatude]

I think William Spaniel blew up the pipes in order to create an ongoing series following the "who-done-it" mystery and grow his channel.

[@aldonfroelick7392]

This theory is both fascinating and probable. You just need a fishing boat, some rope, and a bomb. I have informed interpol.

[@martinzyka6432]

"Chaos is a ladder" HE SAID IT! HE SAID IT IN THE VIDEO!

[@RealJohnnyDingo]

the evidence is consistent with that supposition... maybe? 😂

[@stevejohnson3357]

Oh, such cynicism.

[@EmyN]

He's been oddly quiet about this, no response yet

[@mr.normalguy69]

Among us, but this time, it's the world leaders who are playing it.

[@Gametheory101]

This comment is sus.

[@indetermite]

📮📮📮

[@RandomPerson-mt1oy]

@@Gametheory101 who sabatoged Engines?!?!

[@kid_pigeon]

📮📮📮📮📮

[@Thesamurai1999]

Putin and Biden did it togheter.

[@randomname1251]

3 months later, everyone seems to have just forgotten this happened

[@jamesmeppler6375]

I wouldn't say that. There is so much things on a daily basis that we should all remember. The only time we need talk about something we already disgusted and have no new info, is at the end in a summary of what the war brought on us

[@-_marvin_-]

4 months later, and still quiet on this front. But the Swedes did investigate, and the results are not public. Nobody has really made an effort to use the incident for propaganda or escalation. It's almost as if nobody (major players) has anything to gain from this. It's kind of mystifying.

[@kisscola]

The Germans barely noticed it...

[@egroegny]

If Russia did it, the Swedes would have made it public. A US journalist named Seymour Hersh wrote that US did it with Norwegian assistance.

[@-_marvin_-]

@@egroegny Seymore obviously doesn't know Norway very well. However, Anders Puck Nielsen did a piece on it just yesterday with an analysis that makes a lot of sense.

[@altiramoongara9968]

The Nordstream pipelines are well within technical diving range and training is available to private citizens (at least in the US but I can't imagine that it would be that different in Europe). The oil industry has access to more advanced equipment than what is available to private citizens that is capable of operating at those depths. To me, these facts increase the number of possible suspects.

[@josephshreeves8192]

The depth of those lines isn't too bad. The key factor is how much explosives were used. It would be very difficult to procure that outside of the military or a construction company

[@davidcopeland6809]

DW, the German news channel, hired a few divers who were able to locate the Nord-stream pipeline and filmed the explosion locations. If they could do this the list of potential suspects is pretty large.

[@L4r5man]

As a Norwegian I like the idea of it being us elliminating the competition. But our leaders don't have the balls to pull off a stunt like this.

[@coops1992]

Yep, this does not look very Scandinavian to me lol. Looks like typical ''show of force'' either by Russia or USA.

[@killjoy1887]

@@coops1992 But if the US wanted to do something to Russia it would have been cheaper and more effective just to dump another dozen HIMARS in Ukraine even with the shorter range rockets only 4 could be confirmed to be delivered and they have been used to terrible effect.

[@robdeam7893]

@@coops1992 it's Russia otherwise why hit pipes that aren't in use anymore? Any other make Russia lose money which they can't afford to lose. America would have hit the working pipes to cause disruption. I think Putin saw bidens comments about the pipes a few weeks ago so he decided to do it to lay the blame on america

[@moherrmann1997]

I agree with this very simple but yet plausible analysis.

[@sobokgaming8476]

That’s exactly what you want us to think. All this time the Norwegians have been biding their time, slowly but surely building up a friendly image, while secretly you’ve been eagerly awaiting the coming of a second Viking age.

[@dg8620]

I must never be on a jury. Each and every time he named a suspect I totally started suspecting them.

[@Johnwilliams-th9hq]

Bruh it's crazy there is no clear cut suspect.

[@gwho]

bring this up instead of feigning being racist to get out of jury duty lol

[@HiLasse]

And now you're ready to be on a jury. Knowing how flawed your reasoning can be, is one of the best tools for protecting you from false assumptions. Keep on not overestimating your intuition 👍

[@n8zog584]

@@HiLasse I like the way you think

[@HiLasse]

@@n8zog584 thx. It comes from bitter experience. I jumped on the nine11 bandwagon 😐 Now I see that I was in a bad place and needed to feel like I was someone. Of course I didn't know that I could be fooled so easily either. In the end a great personal victory, but I did a lot of apologizing for ruining parties and family dinners. Never be afraid to give a sincere apology. They're free and everyone wins. 😊

[@hardstyleisareligion9761]

Nearly all subsea pipelines have a maintenance plan in case a small or large leak occurs (eg damage from ship anchor) and all pipeline companies have access to special tools (dependent on pipeline diameter etc) and spare lengths of pipe to repair any damage. It is important to repair the damaged section and flush the pipeline of seawater in a limited time period to avoid long term damage to the pipeline. Any who dun it theory, would need to factor in if a repair is underway and if not, which parties are stopping the repair.

[@codingfeature3684]

I occasionally like to talk about this kind of stuff with friends who don't keep up with it the same as I do. Some people are much more shocked and afraid by extravagant events like this than by other super impactful but boring events. Could the intention have been for that fear that's somewhat common to have been more common, that people would be shocked and scared by the drama of the event and push their politicians to compromise. It doesn't need to be the standalone factor, if anything it can create a thorn in the enemies side, make the pro Ukrainian military victory politicians deal with some protests and the occasional fellow politician working against them so they can't render support as efficiently.

[@fredcarr3550]

I feel your pain about friends who are unwilling to put out the effort to keep up with this stuff. They haven't a clue as to events taking place in the world that could eventually affect them and their families negatively. Yep, we need to keep current on this stuff.

[@danielhutchinson6604]

@@fredcarr3550 From the origins of the conflict as the US bought another Colony with IMF loans, the effects were pretty clear. The announcement by one of the LNG marketing Guys on the day the first Russian vehicle crossed the Ukraine border, indicated the reasons for the US to dump $50 billion worth of weapons and $22 billion of IMF loans, were return on investment. They projected a $200 billion revenue increase for 2022, and the following years, from selling gas..... The US at one time condemned the actions of the Standard Oil Company for the use of such tactics, now they appear to embrace it.....

[@fredcarr3550]

@@danielhutchinson6604 I hear you but unsure if you are suggesting that a US oil company was involved in the sabotage of the pipelines. I have an open mind on "who dun it" as there could be many beneficiaries to the act.

[@danielhutchinson6604]

@@fredcarr3550 The US Government did not have to admit to the act, it was pretty obvious. The projected $200 billino revenue increase that LNG providers offered on the day the first Russian Vehicle crossed the Ukraine Border seemed to indicate what was desired? Please do not attempt to obfuscate?

[@fredcarr3550]

@@danielhutchinson6604 Not sure why you are so antsy; I am just a guy who am following the story and giving an opinion on what I read. I am not an American, so I don't have an axe to grind.

[@Ifyoucanreadthisgooglebroke]

The thing I get a kick out of is how basically everyone had reasons to do or want this, but it is important for all actors that they not get the blame for it and play like this hurts/insults them or they are otherwise outraged. Those are the best whodunnits.

[@fabiankehrer3645]

Yes, very interesting.

[@xenoneuronics6765]

It's like Europe got together and had a big game of Clue It was colonel Vladimir, in the kilo, with the semtex!

[@sol_in.victus]

I think the exception is russia. i cant imagine what they'd get out of this, they loose all their leverage against EU's sanctions if they cant actually give them their gas back.

[@runs_through_the_forest]

@@sol_in.victus wrong, it's most likely russia or gazprom themselves, if they break contract with germany by not supplying gas they will get a contractual fine of billions, so it's the best deal for them to blow it up and claim an accident..

[@Muenni]

@@sol_in.victus Did you watch the video? A country consists of more than one unified player, often with competing interests. A lot of countries have done things that anyone of rational mind would consider to be to their detriment (and not just risky). It's not like most Russians would profit even if their army managed to defeat the Ukrainians and dictate some terms for peace. When you need the nationalist voters, anything deemed glorious for the country might become attractive, even if it hurts the country overall.

[@Neves7561]

It is kind of nuts that literally every player has a motive to have the pipeline destroyed.

[@Nuinwing]

True but for most the price of getting caught seems too high. Let's say the US is behind this and they get caught, this would ruin a lot of their alliances and diplomatic and trade relations, on top of this Biden and the democrats are polling rather poorly for the upcoming mid-terms so doing something that can ruin their reputation would be a big boost to their opponents: Trump and the Republicans. My money is on Russian factions that oppose Putin or some yet unknown player.

[@SupersaiyanChristian]

That certainly gives an incentive to go through with it. No one knows exact who did it, and the real side who did certainly won't admit it

[@DjDolHaus86]

It's the classic murder mystery novel, everyone had a reason to want the victim dead but only one held the knife. We're going to need the combined powers of Poirot, Miss Marple and Sherlock Holmes to find out whodunnit.

[@concernedcitizen780]

We will find out. Probably in 30 years

[@mezjean5966]

@@DjDolHaus86 It doesn't matter who dunnit. What matters next is what the response from both sides is going to be.

[@nooneinparticular7911]

There is such a thing as pipeline inspection robots. They travel inside the pipeline to inspect for damage. It would be pretty simple to strap a bomb to one and detonate it at exactly the spot you wanted. It has the advantage of not needing a boat, or divers, which could be spotted by any passing ship. The only thing you would need is access to one end of the pipeline.

[@WarthogARJ]

Cannot have been a pig: they need active flow to move. And it would be very obvios aterwards that it had been from an internal blast: from the RUSSIAN end.

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

That can be done, but a internal explosion is very obvious from a external one. It also can only be done with countries with direct access like Germany or Russia. I think we'd know by now if such information is available... but in the same vein, there are plenty of research and industrial vessels capable of this. Pipes don't sit there for decades without maintenance. divers and submersibles go down to do that. Literally anyone, non-state actors included with a bit of money can. Explosives can also be made from very basic chemical processes. Just ask any insurgents. Any competent saboteur can thus commit this act and leave very little evidence.

[@zarathustra4649]

Well experts can tell by looking whether it was damaged from outside or inside. Simple thing. No need for your complicated robotics.

[@hardstyleisareligion9761]

There are pipeline inspection tools (PIG). The gas needs to be flowing in the pipeline to provide motive force for the PIG to travel. The pressure restriction of the PIG would be identified on the computer analysis software used by the operating company (Nord Stream) to monitor for any leaks along the pipeline. If no gas was flowing at the time of the explosion it would mean the pig would have been lunched some time before the explosion. As Nord Stream II pipeline had only been pressurised and full flow of gas had not been started (to the best of reports available in media), this would mean it impossible for a PIG strapped with explosives to be the method. Forensic inspection of the damage of the pipeline might be able to provide evidence of whether the explosion caused by a strap on device to the concrete lined outer parts of the pipeline or not. Thos information has not been released as far as I know.

[@michaelklog]

yup because no ship or sub was detected by the danish radar and sonar unit we have in the ocean.

[@poulnrgaard7820]

One mistake, it was said the pipelines were rendered inoperable. No they were not, since 1 pipe in undamaged, there is in fact a 50% capacity remaining as compared to the previous supply in 2 pipes... That's still a lot of gas.... and Putin has long since proposed to resume gas shipments.

[@tomykas1]

It's funny how you described how each suspect would benefit from it, and in the end they all did. They just don't know who to thank now.

[@trolltroller8550]

Well said, that's why nobody will accept the blame.

[@lau6438]

No? Not everyone would benefit.

[@thenormann3773]

@@lau6438 as with sanctions, the average people wouldn’t benefit, gas prices gonna skyrocket and poor people gonna suffer the harshest of winters in a long time but geopolitically is a win for everybody

[@Arcsinner]

one nation blew up Nordstream 1, another Nordstream 2 and all are confused why both pipelines are broken

[@hlorii6598]

All lose. This just added and amplified a whole bunch of near future environmental disasters. (But I bet Putler is not thinking about the Siberian tundra melt)

[@Strike_Raid]

I imagine that the original sabotage was intended to destroy all four pipelines, but one of the devices failed to function. Therefore, the unexploded device is still there and if located could provide the evidence of who was responsible.

[@condew6103]

@@chainsfr224 It's Danish and Swedish economic zone waters; I don't see how the U.S. could prevent investigation, unless they need U.S. Navy resources to do the investigation.

[@anonanon7278]

@@chainsfr224 That's because they know that the evidence will incriminate them.

[@traykunable]

@@condew6103 EU/NATO is a vassal of the US. The US can damn well do what they want and stop any investigations that make them look bad.

[@peterb2272]

@@chainsfr224 except that there are already investigators at the location. So that scuppers that conspiracy bollocks.

[@fuglyduckling7720]

@@chainsfr224 The swedes have already found "proof" in the area, but that proof is not disclosed. Most likely it is explosive remnants or similar. But it will probably not help in the search for a culprit either way.

[@kiriseraph9674]

Could it be that someone in Nato was in secret talks with Russia and negotiating for them to reopen the pipeline and so someone else in Nato blew it up to end the negotiations?

[@hansmonsen1359]

Could be - but speculations have a tendency to proclaim the desired villain rather than the factual. Else, I dont think NATO was a negotiator for reopening the pipeline. It is not part of neither the contracts nor the consequences as such.

[@olafscherdin2683]

Your analysis overlooks the fact that it bears clear signs of military action. Thus, two targets were attacked at the same time, indicating that it was necessary to be sure of success. Moreover, the amount of explosives used was much higher than would have been necessary for mere damage. Therefore, the aim was not only to damage but to destroy the pipeline. According to a German expert, the pipeline is considerably pressed into the ground on several meters, a damage caused, for example, by sea mines. This rules out the theory of a prepped maintenance vehicle and an explosion from the inside of the pipeline. Sea mines are usually laid from torpedo tubes. This is also an indication that a professional military commando operation was carried out.

[@Dogsnark]

It’s like an Agatha Christie mystery, a real who dun-it where everyone in the room has a motive and an alibi. Too bad she’s no longer around to reveal the guilty party!

[@Mosern1977]

Some dude with a strange mustache is needed to solve this.

[@LuvBorderCollies]

Its not that hard to figure out. VERY interesting insight into Putin's mind from long time US Navy SEAL (now retired) Listen to his insight on the MULTIPLE reasons Putin ordered it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fX-0koR9r9GNhtE

[@JMARTIN1947]

Colonel Mustard in the Conservatory with a candlestick holder.

[@barbaracleverly9058]

We’ll have to wait for Bellingcat to reveal all. I would check what explosive was used. It must be extra special and would leave traces. If it’s the same grade as the stuff found at the site of the twin towers....

[@terrysullivan1992]

@@Mosern1977 My thought exactly. David Suchet must come forward to solve this for us.

[@ecdhe]

The bottom line is that *someone* somewhere decided that infrastructure sitting in international waters was fair game. Which is a very reckless move.

[@Gonza-lh2vo]

The damage and explosions were not in international waters. They occurred within Denmark's and Sweden's EEZs.

[@Zikar]

@@Gonza-lh2vo Which is an even more reckless move.

[@Hansulf]

Exclusive economic zone*

[@utubefuku7132]

Which is a very russian move.

[@Thedirtylittlesecret]

It wasn’t Russia but it will tie Germany more closer to Russia. This could backfire.

[@patrickdavy9013]

Excellent presentation, I will continue to follow.

[@johnfischer8230]

You have some very good points but you missed a couple of items that should be considered. All massive gas/oil lines have inspection/cleaning robots that move down the length of the pipe. Adding a bomb to an inspection robot would be the easiest way for Russia to destroy the pipe. Video inspection of the damage should show if the blast was internal of external. Russia feared that Germany was going to build a natural gas pipeline from Norway across Sweden and attach it to the existing Nord Stream pipe. This would save the massive gas handling infrastructure in Germany and miles of gas pipe. Blowing up the Nord Stream line makes it the pipe and the German gas infrastructure useless.

[@reviolkande6155]

I think Poland specifically deserves a spot in the list. They have strong motives, currently have bad relations with Germany and Russia at the same time and they have a "bit recless" government. They are close to the location and have everything needed to perform such an attack. At the same time, they dont show up on the list at first intention as everyone blames Russia or the US at first.

[@walterzolneriii7288]

Came here to post this. Amid the recent purchase of US Apaches and the fact that Poland didn't sell their soviet air tells me they anticipate a more significant role soon

[@joelrasdall7662]

Honestly, I'd forgotten about them too until you said that. Now you've got me thinking.

[@khandovarbalest1369]

A Polish MP tweeted (now deleted) what amounts to congratulations to the US. He's a bit of a shitposter of a neoliberal kind, so there's that.

[@mathew4430]

@@khandovarbalest1369 what did he say?

[@ChmielTHE]

@@mathew4430 "thank you USA"

[@defective6811]

Ive been trying to mentally formulate how this turns out, and I imagine given the sudden much more extreme vulnerability of Europes remaining gas supply that it won't be long till NATO vessels are patrolling the Baltic Sea on a high alert footing.

[@saltmerchant749]

They already were.

[@defective6811]

@@saltmerchant749 i should have clarified my implication, and I apologize for not doing so. Im more referring to an all but hostile fleet directly threatening Kaliningrad. Not just normal patrols, but put in place as a measure of escalation to prevent Russia from going too far off the deep end in Ukraine, as it were.

[@robobrain10000]

@@defective6811 Hahah. That's how you start ww3.

[@defective6811]

@@robobrain10000 looking at the trends of the last 10 years and the probable trends of the next 10 - ww3 might have already been baked into the thinking for some decision makers.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

Not sure about that but it will for sure break the floor under the Kremlin owned forces that were trying to use the gas shortage to break up cohesion and stoke fear in the population. After all, while Russia had cut the pipeline for a while it was still right there, and while the EU was organizing to completely phase out Russian gas, the fact the line was there meant that there was a way to just bow down and get the easy way out. That option does not exist anymore, and thus now the only solution left is to actually yeet out Russia fully.

[@WarthogARJ]

Pretty good analysis: I did the exact same myself a few days after the event. You've listed most of the posible suspects, but you jumped a critical step: capablity. You don't need a very big ship/boat to do it: could have been done using a fishing boat, or even inflatable boats. And the best way would be to use divers. The water depth lends itself to a small number of divers planting shaped charges right on top of the pipelines, using standard gear: no decompression chambers needed. You could drop them off near the sites, and they could swim the rest of the distance. The complete dive, to say 70m, with 30 minutes time at depth needs 160minutes, complete with decompression stops on ascent. Longest stop is at 3m: 64minutes. Could use that to swim to pickup point a few km away. Can buy the explosives nearby: commercial grade is fine. Could then drive them to a nearby port. Speaking of going by ship through the Black Sea is crazy. Seriously, with a huge war on, the entire region is flooded with the movement of explosives. Easy to hide in all that. In terms of the possible downside to UKR being discovered (if it did it), you're jumping to conclusions about the consequences. Cannot link any US response to individual EU country responses. I suspect it might even engender MORE US support. After all, UKR was invaded, by a US enemy of decades standing. Nobody got killed, the oss has zero negatve economic consequences to the USA. Poland? As above. UK? Pretty much the same. France? Well, who cares, French support so far has been pitiful. German? Well, there would be lots of talk, and perhaps lots of hot air from politicians. But actual actions? Well, what can they DO? German support is also pretty poor. And it doesn't go against German policy: they'd already decided NOT to use the pipelines. NATO? Well, it doesn't really constitute an attack on NATO. And UKR could argue it's a legitimate Russian-owned target. As for motive, I think you are discounting UKR motives. As long as the pipeline existed, some Germans would be willing to cave into Putin's requirements to buy gas. This removes that temptation. And, you're missing a major point. Why were only 3 ouf the 4 lines damaged? After all, they had two chances at Nord Stream 2. Kindof hard to believe they screwed up TWICE. I suspect that's on purpose, to still ALLOW a chance to buy some gas, but with two steps: approve Nord Stream 2, and THEN make agreements with Putin. Easier to block and slow it down for opponents to it. And it gives a sop to those who might be indignant to UKR about it. Timing: why now? (1) Best to do it when Putin had already shut Nord Stream 1 down (2) And not when its cold, and Germans are sufferng from gas/electrical shortages Rather do it now and let everything calm down, move off front pages (3) Prevent any talks amongst Germans who are willing to stab UKR in the back: as in prevent that talk BEFORE it starts to drive policy (4) Remove the potential for Putin to use as a threat whilst UKR is going well. There's subtantial momentum in the economic and military aid to UKR. It takes MONTHS before a large fraction of it gets approved, and anything actually arrives. UKR needs military support for at least the next 6 months. If weak-kneed Germans started to talk about back-stabbing UKR now, then after a month or so, they'd start to talk to Putin. Then Putin would see he had support to push for a cease-fire. That doesn't suit UKR now. Anyways, I suspect that UKR did it, and I also suspect they might have told some of the West that they had done it, so as not to cause undue embarrasment if they WERE detected afterwards. To support this, why do you think there is so little public release of official investigations? The Fix is in....:-}

[@VulpeculaJoy]

The problem is, analyzing the damage from open source data it was possible to determine that large ~500kg explosive charges were used in the attacks. Any larger vessel carrying a mechanism to deploy such a charge would have created a radar signature big enough to be detectable, but there was no such surface vessel near these locations. So it is pretty clear that a submarine was used in the deployment process. Also, these charges are similar to sea mines typically deployed via military submarine.

[@WarthogARJ]

@@VulpeculaJoy I don't see anything that credibly shows the charges were 500kg. The early newspaper reports made a wild guess at 500kg, but if you look at the actual seismic data, and if you know about the blast/seismic from underwater explosions, you can see that it's VERY hard to get an accurate estimate. There are too many factors that affect that: - Effects of sea bed - Land masses involved in signal transmission (islands, shoals etc) - Water depth, and explosive depth (even if you know this exactly, the data used in the models varies from it, and the total data set is not very big) - Type of explosion (a shaped charge would give a different output from a spherical type used as a sea mine) You wouldn't need a single/large charge: could use several smaller ones linked together "Radar"? Nobody is talking of records from radar: it's REALLY busy region in any case. And it's not known how long the explosives were in place before being detonated. Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? In any case, recent events suggests it was in fact done by divers from a small boat:

[@VulpeculaJoy]

@@WarthogARJ We have footage from a remote controlled submarine showing that a large ~25-30m section of the pipeline was sheared off on two ends and pushed into the sea floor by about 10-20m. That can only happen if you place a large 1/2 ton sea mine right on top of it.

[@WarthogARJ]

@@VulpeculaJoy Perhaps you have seen different footage than me, but what I saw was inconclusive. And remember, the site experienced not only an explosion(s), but was also on a pressurised pipeline and THEN saw a (HUGE) amount natural gas from 1,200km of pipeline vent itself THROUGH quite a small section. And on a SOFT sea bed. I'm oilfield: we drill the first few HUNDRED metres of well in offshore wells by JETTING the surface casing in: no need to drill. You can see the same thing with a garden hose in soil: thrust the hose into the ground, then turn the tap on.....BIG hole blasted out very quickly. There are FOUR energy releases involved here: (1) Explosion (2) Pressurised pipeline rupture (3) Gas release from pipeline (4) Sea water/released gas bubble interaction On (3) and (4), the gas comes blasting out of from two LONG sections, at +/- 100 Bar into water at +/- 10 Bar. That in itself is a LOT of energy, released in a SMALL region. THEN, you have gas bubbles at an initial 10 Bar submerged pressure, rising up and EXPANDING to surface ambient pressure of 1 Bar. That's a BIG volume expansion. So what happens to the water it displaced? Hmmm......:-} You got it, Charlotte, water is displaced outwards, and causes an unsteady vortex of strong currents in a general circulare/vertical motion.

[@superraegun2649]

Can satellite imagery not be used to determine who or what was above the epicentre at or around the time of explosion?

[@jameshartley5070]

The UK government couldn't organise a piss up in brewery right now so count us out! Fascinating analysis as always sir

[@ohwhatalife76]

yes they can. old Boris and his mates proved quite capable at organising piss ups

[@ValkyiaTV]

@@ohwhatalife76 if they'd have organised a piss up in a brewery instead of his house and claimed it was a move to help the struggling hospitality industry. They might not have got as much backlash xD

[@eliasstockholm9165]

There's just one country who will get benefits. Here's the answer kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYSXgGuofLd_nJo

[@Teddy_Bass]

That’s because there is no brewery any more. All closed and fucked

[@kevinwolfe981]

.... 😆

[@clausholm4130]

All pipelines have maintenance pigs, robots who travel the pipes back and forth. The easiest thing is to have those mining the pipes and blow them. Satellite surveillance is so intense that any surface boat is registered.

[@the11382]

You think one or more maintenance robots were hacked?

[@pieguy99999]

Pretty sure those things require the flow of gas. Since pipeline is shut down it's unlikely

[@saltmerchant749]

@@pieguy99999 Russian operators kept the line pressurised, that's evident from the fact we have a shitload of gas seeping up through the Baltic sea.

[@pastForgetting]

Pigs traverse pipelines before the flow starts to remove lost tools and construction debris and prevent problems when operations begin. They don't need pressure.

[@1776stubborn]

@@pieguy99999 THE PIPES WERE PRESSURIZED WITH GAS

[@terrific804]

Who might profit from sabotaging Nord Stream??? Around 11 years ago in the U.S. there were only 2 LNG inport terminals under construction that were repermited and redesigned to become export terminals. In the U.S. now there are: 7 operating 5 under construction 17 approved for construction 7 prefiled or proposed

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

Literally everyone has a motive except for putin even russian insiders have a motive

[@Nikolaijg]

Norway is actually providing Germany with the largest amount currently not the US.

[@terrific804]

@@Nikolaijg Germany as well as all of europe has shale gas deposits they will not develop. The exception is Ukraine.

[@terrific804]

U.S. LNG exporters boosted shipments to Europe by more than 137% in the first 11 months of 2022 from the same period in 2021, according to data from Kpler, supplying more than half of Europe's imported LNG and helping the region weather a more than 54% plunge in piped shipments from Russia.Dec 20, 2022

[@christopher554]

If you look at the photos off the damaged pipe some off the metal is curved out wards ,suggesting the explosion was inside the pipe .

[@bills.7598]

Great analysis. My wife and I have been debating the Russian theory. While I don't put anything past the Russians at this point, I made the point that it didn't make much sense since Russia already controlled whether the gas flowed or not, and that by physically crippling the pipes they lose their most powerful bargaining chip just before the winter when it would potentially become most valuable. William's discussion of how this could make sense based on internal Russian politics helps me see why it might "make sense", at least to a given faction.

[@lacklustermathie]

Something overlooked in this video's analysis is that damaging the pipeline will take active effort to fix. Assuming the fix will take time or must be done quickly, if Europe tries to get the pipeline fixed, that tells Putin that Europe really needs the gas, and has just been hoping that Russia caves in before the problem becomes severe. On the other hand, if Europe doesn't make any effort to get the pipeline fixed, it means they're confident that they can get through the winter without Russian gas. Basically, this means that we find out if Russian gas coercion is effective in November instead of February. If it is, Europe stops supporting Ukraine soon. If not, Putin knows that the support is likely to go on indefinitely, and can make plans accounting for his weaker position.

[@riddlehawk9139]

Putin is supported by 90% of Russians fyi.

[@youtubeuser1993]

would love to have a partner like yours to discuss these things 😢

[@Ok_yes_its_me]

Bill S, Putin knows Europe isn't going to buy his gas any more and will buy elsewhere even if more expensive. The pipes were pointless. Destroying them is intended to cause fear and anxiety - normal Putin tactics.

[@johnle6982]

@@youtubeuser1993 Ah but what about romantic pursuits the rest of the time?

[@opdmin]

I had not speculated on the culprit until watching your video. Subsequently In my mind the most to benefit are Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia for the following reasons. 1. they are already cut off from Russian gas. 2. they fully and vigorously support Ukraine. 3. have spent a long time in the Soviet system which has preached that the people of the West are soft. 4. have historical motives to not trust German politicians to stay the course. 5. have immediate access to the locations in question. In summary excluding any sanction if it is proven to be them, the disruption of the gas pipelines is a purely positive at most and a non negative at worst for them

[@Dodsodalo]

It boggles.my mind that people are jumping at the thought the US did this when, looking at geopolitics, those countries glow so hard it's like several new suns. The US out of all the suspects here has the least to gain and most to lose. The pipelines have been mostly off, for MONTHS. Why would they do it now? To stop German Russian connections? America isn't even in the top 10 countries with a score to settle with Russia. This screams to me Corporate, Hardliners, Separatist, and local politics.

[@barbaraseidel4342]

6. Poland, the US- Vassals and/ or Norway becouse of the New Pipeline from Norway to Poland- 7. Germany: they have to pay for russian Gas until 2036, except some Force majeure occures

[@correctionguy7632]

@@barbaraseidel4342 Norway was mentioned in the video and is not at all a likely suspect. Israel or Iran would be more likely.

[@barbaraseidel4342]

@@correctionguy7632 lsrael? Because of its own Gas fields?

[@janwells1190]

And which nato country has just signed a trilateral pact with Poland and Ukraine, has shown large support for Lithuania (all in the last week), started bi-lateral military co-operation with Estonia in 2015 and would want 3SI block to counter the original members of the EU?

[@Ghredle]

Any investigation starts first with who has a motive , who has the capability and who has the most benefit…. So only two players come into focus. So there is no such thing like a mystery😢

[@Enfant666Terrible]

The Polish PiS government was/is the most outspoken critic of the Nordstream pipelines. Despite Germany and Poland both being members of the EU and NATO and being closely connected economically, the relations are tense over a number of issues: Nordstream 1 & 2 and Germany's Russia policy in the last 20 years in general, new Polish demand for WW2 reparations which Germany claims were settled decades ago, the EU's Ukraine and Russia policies since 2014, all the Victor Orban and Hungary stuff, Poland's judiciary reform and rule of law in the EU and many more issues in the EU's foreign and domestic policies in general. They wouldn't be a prime subject and if they become a suspect they just need plausible deniability to fend off any consequences. Even if undoubtedly discovered (very unlikely) since Poland is a member of EU and NATO Germany's possibilities to sanction them would be very limited if they have any at all. Also since most EU and NATO members share Poland's critical stance towards Nordstream there would never be any kind of majority in the EU against them in this issue. The destruction of Nordstream also increased the importance of the Yamal pipeline through Poland and the new Baltic Pipe and increased the profits for the Polish state controlled gas company running them. It's a win-win-win for Poland: Germany becomes more steadfast and less shaky regarding Ukraine, give Germany a wipe, Nordstream dealt with, Poland's own strategic positions regarding gaspipelines secured, immediate financial gains. Considering all these gains, the Northstream sabotage would be quite easy to pull off for Poland on their doorstep with little risk of discovery.

[@Lost-In-Blank]

Sabotaging a pipeline under the North Sea in 4 places is well beyond the capacity of a small organization. It was either government-sponsored or done by a pipeline or oil-platform services company. A pipeline or oil-platform services company might have done it on contract, but that would be so incredibly risky for them. And it would be beyond the capacity of a single rogue employee or pair of rogue employees. Almost definitely it was a government operation from the short list of governments that have the skill and equipment.

[@MaciejBogdanStepien]

*Baltic Sea

[@RealJohnnyDingo]

I don't think the us would have done it without NATO approval. I think it's gotta be Russia.

[@allolobophorus]

Watch this video: " Nord Stream "Sabotage" Mystery Deepens As US Seahawks Flew Above Leak Sites Days Before Blasts " update: They were not SH-60s. They were identified as MH-60S Knighthawks from Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron TWO-EIGHT (HSC-28) aboard USS Kearsarge. That variant of the Seahawk family is equipped with the BAE Systems 'Archerfish' Remotely Operated Vehicle (ROV) which is designed to lay explosives next to mines and undersea objects. It is part of the helicopter's Airborne Mine Neutralisation System (AMNS).

[@RealJohnnyDingo]

@@allolobophorus they may have been in the area tracking Russian submarines that were messing with the pipeline... CIA reportedly warned Germany about suspected attacks. that would make sense for them to be on the lookout for sabotuers

[@bennovonarchimboldi9635]

@@allolobophorus classic conspiracy theorist bullshit. Oh look, patrol helicopters have been spotted DAYS before the incident in what are propably the most monitored waters on earth rn, definintly an evidence for...something ?!

[@trevornelmes9331]

Well, here's a question. What was the weather like when this happened? Was it clear enough that the massive number of satellites currently looking down on this region would have been able to see the boat, see where it came from, where it went? I suppose divers could have exited a submarine, but my guess is that submarines are heavily monitored and tracked in these waters.

[@m.s.9744]

Great question

[@SeedlingNL]

Russia has specialised ships that can access pipelines and cables on the sea floor, using remotely operated subs. Wether it's hacking into the Atlantic internet cable or deploying a remotely detonated explosive on a pipeline, both are well within the capabilities of the Russians.

[@Phlosioneer]

It’s not too hard to imagine these explosives were placed days or weeks ago; and probably at night, and probably with running lights off. That’s a lot of factors weighing against the usefulness of satellite imagery here.

[@erikjunesjo]

1) There could have been a remote detonated explosive device. If so it could have been sitting there for months. 2) Submarines and autonomous underwater vehicles are extremely hard to track. I live in Sweden and we know there are a lot uf russian submarines in our waters but we only find them when they run on ground.

[@lewisnorth1188]

Satellites don't have continuous global coverage, and most of them wouldn't have high enough resolution to see a small boat in the entirety of the baltic sea

[@erasenson5039]

William, do you think there might be a connection in the plane crash of Peter Griesemann and the sabotage of Nordstream 2?

[@humbleforest]

Words of threats whether directly or indirectly is a very serious offence. When the threats happened the day after the person who threatened is to be held responsible for such as, the bodily harmed to others, other properties being damaged, or a person being murdered, etc, etc..

[@avery4149]

I think all of them did it at the same time, and just happened to stumble into each other, they intensely lock eyes with each other, but ultimately decided to plan out who’s going blow up what and when.

[@hoodatdondar2664]

The us is shipping subsidised energy to Europe right now, and would not want this. Intteruotions to the flow of gas before that is fully ready might shake support for Ukraine. This presenter is trying to be clever, but really, there is only one credible suspect.

[@CP-28]

😁 1 was done by the US, then not to be outdone another one was by Russia, then to save face another one by Germany, and last but not least, last one by Ukraine. Done!

[@libbyhicks7549]

It was like sperm in the womb...a race to penetrate the great egg..

[@lachdananx7686]

Atleast one was done by Germany to grant it a Casus Belli against all other nations. We germans are now allowed to use our 2000 Taurus missiles against every nuclear powerplant worldwide to cause chaos amongst WW3 and turn back the clock to the pre-industrial age without electricity and several global shiny sarcrophagi and countless walking dead soldiers which try to extinguish those local melting firepits rendering the whole world completely useless. Only one nation will arise from the ashes. All hail the Allemani Empire !

[@joshuahere5097]

Nah it was solely done by Mongolia. The country is a bit too quiet

[@johnbeaulieu2404]

It doesn't require a mini-sub or any surface ship to destroy the pipeline. Simply attach explosives to an inspection "PIG" that moves inside the pipeline. A close inspection of the damage site will indicate whether the explosion was inside or outside.

[@dr.livesey7595]

Those things only work when the pipeline is empty and also they cant carry big loads. Explosions of that size need a lot of explosives

[@DisgruntledArtist]

@@dr.livesey7595 Um. Isn't Natural gas itself explosive? If so, wouldn't a smaller directed charge towards the external areas be just fine? Especially if Russia happens to be the one doing it, they have control over what goes into the pipe and as such could hypothetically introduce a mix of air and natural gas.

[@Goulmy86]

​@@DisgruntledArtist only in the correct mixture with oxygen. in the pipe there's 100% gas. Then again the battery of the PIG could be used?

[@dr.livesey7595]

@@DisgruntledArtist True.Might be an option.I guess it would be easy to find pieces of this machine somewhere then. Sounds a little bit like james bond to me and i would assume just diving down with a bomb would be easier and safer

[@thedude2916]

The British did it for USA. USA get billions from European countries- JK get billions from a freetrade deal with USA. Notice Biden has stopped talking about Ireland too.

[@ivornelsson2238]

It “all didn´t begin” with Danish and Swedish seismologists noticed a blast in the Baltic Sea. You forgot to mention that Joe Biden ordered the German Chancellor Olaf Scholtz from opening the Nordstream II pipeline - closely BEFORE Russia intervened in Ukraine, thus intervening in other countries sovereign energy and foreign affairs. (As the US has a long traditional habit to do covert and overt all over the World) Further back again “it began” with a long-time strong US opposition against both of the Nordstream pipelines to Europe. And now the US has succeded with its opposition against the Nordstream Pipes.

[@vladimirsluchevsky5550]

What is the point for Russia to blow up North Stream 2 and only one line? Is not shutting the valve enough?

[@williamlloyd3769]

Tom Clancy book plot point. Well laid out and logical video. Seems that at some point evidence will surface that will fix the blame.

[@fdangleshadang-a-lang7149]

Straight up living in a Tom Clancy novel at this point. Next thing you know, Jack Ryan will be the next president of the United States

[@Hansulf]

Or some fake evidence... We all know how the CIA works lol

[@SirDeadPuppy]

@@fdangleshadang-a-lang7149 that be better then what have now or had recently

[@johnpatz8395]

The problem is, in the current circumstances, is that evidence doesn't confirm the establishment's story, most people will never hear or see it, as the MSM will ignore it.

[@twentythirddimension714]

I ain even kidding! I legit thought that about an hour ago myself!

[@Elongated_Muskrat]

Based on the "Who smelt it dealt it" theorem, it must be Denmark. There's always something rotten there.

[@Ankianki33]

The most fair judgment

[@saltmerchant749]

That's just the local food.

[@hendrikdependrik1891]

I think it's Poland. They really hated those pipelines for years and they have the most to gain from it.

[@thomsen256]

Alas poor Nordstream, I knew it well

[@Neves7561]

The Danish...

[@ArneHoe]

What if the war is a minor thing compared to long term political dominance - just the opportunity. A broader perspective could be - just an example - US has been fighting hard against those pipelines for many years (US pressure was even the real reason German stopped North-stream 2) for several important reasons for US to stay a superpower with most possible global influence. Now the best opportunity simply came and relating it to the war and Putin was very obvious. Maybe such much boarder perspectives could be found for other parties you discuss. That might even involve like ... China. Interested in going there in a future video?

[@seanburke424]

Putin's war was not a coincidence. Europe, and chiefly Germany, provided the money that Putin used to build his war machine. Which they knew - they just didn't care. The way Europe saw it, Putin was the USA's problem, not theirs.

[@paavobergmann4920]

Interesting. I didn´t much think about out-of Europe players, but now that you mention China...why not? There is also a number of other countries that used to sell more gas to germany before gazprom chipped in.

[@LA_Viking]

This is the second video that you created that I’ve had the pleasure to view. Very well done. Subscribed.

[@jamiewood5086]

USA did say they will stop the Nord Stream Pipeline

[@ajons190]

In a way this (excellent) video shows that whoever did it their action was basically pointless because almost everyone has an interest in it happening. A very strange and intriguing tale.

[@n00b1n8R]

Other people benefitting from an action is not a strike against that action. For example: Nato blows the pipes to push Germany and the RF apart. This also locks putin further into the war which some in Nato may want as well if it pushes Russia closer toward regime change.

[@Londronable]

@@CasualGuy60 While possible the risks there seem big for uncertain benefits imo. Let's say it was India. They're currently buying Russian gas/oil at a heavily reduced cost as Russia needs to get rid of it somehow. While India is willing to not follow NATO I doubt they're willing to go directly against them. Plausible but unlikely.

[@KingMinosxxvi]

Not the russians. It was obviously oobviously the US

[@DaireBulson]

In the end, shouldn't we wait for an investigation instead of pointing fingers based on geopolitical and economic rivalries?

[@DaireBulson]

@@TubeMeisterJC Wouldn't it be a UN investigation?

[@jakeyaboi6824]

Why would seawater permanently stop the pipelines? they could be patched, pressurized, pumped out, and dried. Sure there might be some rust formed, but there has to be a way to solve that issue.

[@MaxPower-vf8kt]

It’s not that easy to completely pump dry pipelines that are over a thousand of kilometres long and likely does “flow” downhill, but goes up and down. The seawater would ruin the polymer coating that prevents the gas from corroding the pipe. Not to mention the rocks and sludge that has also entered the lines and would likely cause damage while being removed, if it can all be removed. That pipeline could be considerably filled with debris.

[@robertwilliams3527]

This is good stuff. I also second the comment about him being the culprit. To make videos and try out bud scuba gear.

[@kathrynck]

Excellent analysis. Although, one must account for the possibility that the event is a precursor, rather than being THE event. There may be further plans by whomever did it. And that could change the character of the suspect list.

[@thecooletompie]

For the last case the Netherlands is extremely unlikely. The government wants gas production to go down and has no interest in exporting to Germany anymore due the earthquakes caused by drilling. You could argue that the company behind the operation might have interest in attacking the infrastructure but those are the same companies (with the exception of exxon-mobil but for them operations in the Netherlands aren't all that relevant to the bottomline) that are also invested into nord-stream.

[@ronjansen2391]

Do not underestimate the Netherlands dude.With that money,the people of Groningen could be supported to move anywhere else.

[@micmontele9520]

5o9j

[@auggieeast]

Nobody thinks it was the Netherlands. I think he was just being a completist by including them, to avoid charges of bias.

[@hollister2320]

Look, just because they’re a “cute Nordic country” doesn’t mean they don’t have ulterior motives. This is geopolitics; can’t rule them out

[@SeedlingNL]

@@hollister2320 The only things that the Dutch will flood are polders and uiterwaarden.

[@ScowlieMeerkat]

Wow, F16s to investigate? "We're going to need you to turn upside down and go real, real slow. And as close to the waves as you can get. Do you got a magnifying glass in the cockpit? For clues?"

[@1968konrad]

There's a lot we dont know, but we know: Those who have evidence about the background have a very dangerous information with potential to decide about the political future in Europe.

[@downundergarage6968]

You are forgetting that these pipes are encased in large concrete so just dropping a simple mine would not do it. The estimate of explosive power is about 100kg directly attached to the concrete wall. Also the piples are quite deep so regular diver could not get it.

[@saumyacow4435]

So you'd need a decently sized ROV acting as a suicide drone? That's quite feasible.

[@user-xo1ip8fw7u]

@@saumyacow4435 Three explosions under 100 meters of water.I do think normal terrorists have the ability of doing it under the eyes of NATO without being caught

[@fuglong]

@@user-xo1ip8fw7u "normal" terrorists? State actors i hope you mean lol

[@jook360]

So it would be easier to do it from inside the pipeline, James Bond style. Pointing to Germany or Russia.

[@JosefK2275]

@@fuglong hence “normal”

[@Inkling777]

I would add a hint that one team carried out this attack. Assume for a moment that they had two identical packages of explosives and timers (set to the same delay) to do the damage. The team installs the first bomb and, as its last step, starts the timer. They then move on to the second site, repeating the process, again setting the timer as their last step. Their travel time plus a single installation time comes down to that seventeen hours. They wouldn't want the delay to be longer than that, because the added time would allow measures to be taken to catch them. And of course that seventeen hours says nothing about how long before the bombs were set. It could be hours, days or even weeks. The latter could be a factor in determining who did this. The various motivations now say little about those existing weeks ago before the tide had clearly turned in favor of Ukraine.

[@macropod77]

Consider possibility, that the mines were planted long in advance - a month, 3 months, or 6 months. It is unlikely that the pipes were monitored underwater by, say, Gazprom. So, the mines might be waiting for a remote signal to come, when a situation demands.

[@ivanoranrof9577]

The idea of planting the bombs with a synchronized timer is a good idea. Then the question becomes, how long in advance did they plant the bombs? And the ancillary question, why at these two places? Plus, there's bound to be shutoff valves at various points in the pipeline, so as to accomodate genuine accidents.

[@seditt5146]

You think the tide has turned in favor of Ukraine? Good lord you need to get your news from more sources.

[@ottootteist]

@@seditt5146 bad bot

[@seditt5146]

@@ottootteist Yeah, that's it. Just stick your fingers in your ears and scream BOTTTTS every time you see someone disagree with you. It's ok snowflake. Big bad evil Putin probably wont get you in your sleep. .... Probably.... Seriously though, Look around dude. Nothing suggest anything has turned in their favor. If someone is suggesting to you that it is you are either watching propaganda or a dumbass.

[@abatesnz]

The footage appears to show the metal blown outwards. Could Russian dissidents working in the pressure regulation team be responsible?

[@ursulaeissner1743]

Both pipelines were operational but were not used to deliver gas to Germany at the time of the explosions .

[@jamesmeppler6375]

But how did they know it had a pressure loss if it wasn't on? If you fill up a straw with liquid and pop a hole in the side, you won't notice until you start sucking on one side of the straw. And if it was empty, was it a vacuum or just filled with air? If it was a vacuum it would only cause one hole, which could be why there are 2 for them. But if it had air then it would have blown up more? Or am I mixing it up? Us schools suck, being self taught is nice but not if you can't find info on it

[@Diamonddavej]

Gazprom sent letters to customers on July 14th warning customers that they would invoke Force Majeure if the pipelines were attacked, a clause in contract law that allows a contracted supplier (Gazprom) to void contracts with customers, avoiding the requirement to pay compensation for failed deliveries.

[@lucassnappys5068]

Interesting perspective on the various potential motives amongst the individual groups and countries. I enjoy the video.

[@thesaver999]

I think the US and/or UK did it. Not spamming russian propaganda here nor supporting russia in any ways! But there are 4 reasons why I think the US may be responsible for that sabotage: 1.) Russia needed the pipelines in order to keep their fingers at the buttons. I know they were able to control the gas prices in europe and abuse their responsibility in order to raise unrest in the population of europe, but only by being able to turn the gas tap on and off as they wished. As this is not possible anymore, I guess russia was in a better tactical position when northstream 1 and 2 were still active. 2.) The US knew this, and alwas (rightfully) claimed that giving russia that kind of power over the sake of europes economy canno be tolerated. As shown in the video, President Biden said they won't accept this and would be able to terminate northstream one way or another. When europe realised their gas market is choked by putin, I guess many countries didn't raise their voices when the US proposed this kind of 'termination' of north stream. 3.) Many don't know this but those 3 explosions happened between the shores of poland and sweden, two of them even close to the shores of denmark and germany. This region is highly frequented and observated by NATO vessels and usually avoided by russian ships. Radar and other surveillance would have exposed any russian ship in that area immediately. As the detonations (as far as I know!) happened in a timespan of several hours, I can't think of anyone not noticing the first detonation and thus letting the third explosion even happen. 4.) The way western and especially german media is (not) reporting about this issue is very strange. I remember in german television when everyone talked about, some people pointed their fingers at russia but some days later, nobody wastalking about it anymore. It feels like this case was closed by saying it was sabotage without even naming further details. I could imagine if there were evidence that claimed russia to be responsible, there would still be talk shows of politicians talking about a 'ruthless agression'. But no media is talking about it. I'm not saying 'the media is paid by the elite bla bla bla', and I'm aware this theory somewhat sounds like a conspiracy theory, but the motivations for a sabotage and the way it was dealt with in the media clearly speaks for the US 'terminating' Northstream. I'm actually happy that it happened lol

[@georgehana3932]

Is there an update on this critical issue?

[@GeigerCheck]

You forgot to mention the P8 Poseidon that was flying over the area at the time.

[@avlasting3507]

Another important aspect is the other pipelines from Russia to Europe via Ukraine and Belarus. I believe they're still operational. I'll summarise my views. You've presented many good arguments for Russian involvement but explored US/Nato involvement too scantily. That aside, well done.

[@amoeb81]

Why would Russia destroy the pipe when they can just simply turn it off. Not to mention that they built the pipelines. It was their invesment... Makes 0 sense. These pipes were a blackmail card in Russias hands... They could blackmail Germany/Europe, well blackmail is a strong word here but you get the idea. Someone famous once said: Fuck the EU. We can see it unfolding right now. It's really not that hard to know the prime suspect of this act.

[@termitreter6545]

One of the NS2 pipelines also wasnt destroyed. So Russia still has that as a political tool left. If anyone else destroyed the pipeline, then they screwed up. Which is just another complication you'd have to accept when you want to say anyone but Russia did it.

[@dengawr6000]

@@termitreter6545 near territory of denmark where dozens of NATO reconnaissance ships and aircraft?

[@termitreter6545]

​@@dengawr6000 Of course. Its the baltics, theres also tons of russian ships. Like Russia literally stole a bunch of swedish scientific sonars recently. Im sure they can manage to place a bomb beside a pipeline. But this doesnt mean its not been detected. Iive heard some rumors that we know who did it, as well as how it was done. I suspect the counter-reaction is being coordinated and thats why nobody talks yet.

[@termitreter6545]

@bubba burdle Yes, of course a pipeline can be used as a political tool. Like, have you missed this whole bit about the "energy war" and sanctions?

[@DerpyDaringDitzyDoo]

It's not like it would have been too hard to destroy honestly, would just need to know where it is. Drop a couple magnetic influence mines and see what happens. They could certainly do the damage, an old one blew a 25 foot hole in the side of a US cruiser in the Vietnam war, and with how much cold war tech is spread across the globe it wouldn't be too hard for someone with connections to get a few. My point being, it's not like this would have to have been some top-notch military sabotage effort, a group of politicians or even a TCO could have done it really. Just need a map, a bit of money, and a reason. Hell wouldn't even need to buy the mines, it's estimated there are roughly 40,000 active naval mines still in the Baltic. Just need a couple brave souls with the skills to acquire some haha

[@BillFlis]

Which country, if caught blowing up the pipeline, would have zero risk of political fallout?

[@brahim119]

Thanks for asking the last question to your audience: _"Whom do you want to bring in for questioning"_ I would bring *William Spaniel* for questioning.

[@evanboris7673]

Thank you for providing this thorogh review - it's the only place that has helped me understand this key issue. And still allow me to formulate my own view.

[@roblanchi7660]

where do you get these unscientific ideas?

[@luminescentlion]

Your how far does a vessel have to go forgets about the Danube river and other canals and waterways that connect it to Rotterdam..... That said it would likely mean far more inspections for the vessel though.

[@QuasiRandomViewer]

3:04 "For now, only three of the four seem to be affected." Interesting that two of the four discovered leaks are in Pipe A of NS2, apparently leaving Pipe B of NS2 intact. (Both pipes of NS1 were damaged.)

[@threeMetreJim]

Kind of damage you might expect from a misplaced depth charge. Went between the two pipes on NS1 damaging both, but off to one side of NS2, damaging only 1 of the pipes. If you look on maps other than google earth (like open streetmap) there are 2 red crosshatched areas in the vicinity, usually they denote military training areas. I see some comments on here stating 3 or 4 undersea explosions, but from reports from the seismologists (widely shown on news channels), only 2 - meaning there should only be 3 leaks if everything else matches up.

[@locoslococo]

Here is my question: What was the distances and timing between explosions, it would seem there was more than one site, therefore more than one vessel was needed to set of these explosions. unless they were mines, sunk days earlier with a pre set detonation time installed.

[@seneca983]

If Russia is the culprit they could have also sent the explosives inside the pipe onboard a maintenance robot.

[@stevenk1468]

Your argument for Russian/German Hardliners fit actually better for the hardliners in other countries, like US, Ukraine, Poland and Litauen. Also, it is almost impossible to drop a bomb from a boad accurately on a pipeline in hundreds meter depth of water. I believe it is with military involvement.

[@Shishkebarbarian]

i always assumed it was divers.

[@qaz120120]

The 'german hardliners' are mostly just the USA. Why would there be a german hardliner in this fight?

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

Divers... Research and industrial ships do this all the time. They have trained divers and submersibles meant for research and maintaining undersea cables and pipes. Anyone with a bit of wealth can do this. It really isn't limited to state actors.

[@stevenk1468]

@@neurofiedyamato8763 I don't know what equipment a diver will need to dive into 100 meter deep water carrying a few hundred kilogram weight of bomb and to find the accurate position to fix the bomb. But it is definitely not a simple boat with a diver wearing swimsuit. Boats with such equipment are probably registered, even if they are owned by some private company or research institute. So it won't be that hard to trace it back, if it is not covered by any of the states. Plus what is the motivation for such an attack by a private institut? If it is a terrorist group, they will definitely claim it.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Germany is occupied by the USA lmao chunks of Germany was basicly just American onclaves beside military bases

[@alessandrorossi1294]

""Who do you want to bring in for question?" I call William Spaniel to the stand! He seems to know a suspiciously LOT about the possible motivations for who would sabotage the pipeline! He claims it couldn't be him because he was busy at the time drawing lines on maps. But is it REALLY possible to draw SO MANY LINES? ON SO MANY MAPS?

[@Gliese380]

I'm thinking it was Belgium. No-one would expect that.

[@PaulAngileri]

All identified players in the video: “WHO DID THIS?!” Finnish person whistles on by in the background…

[@westwardquest]

It was done during a phase of the war where the west was doing all it could to try and prove the invasion wouldn't be economically beneficial to Russia. Doing it gave Russia the certainty that they won't have those oil revenues to continue their war effort and it was done in a way that minimised Russian retaliation. Also, there was probably a projection that there'd be a energy crisis in Europe and no doubt there'd be both powerful German corporations and civilians who'd lobby their government for the nord stream to be opened when times got hard, ultimately weakening the NATO alliance. I suspect USA are probably responsible for the sabotage and it wouldn't surprise me if the German government were privy to the events as they were happening too.

[@paavobergmann4920]

with how our government (german) is dragging their feet about it, publishing one fairy tale after the other, I am all but convinced they were in on it. The leverage the pipeline provided to Putin had put them in a real pickle within NATO.

[@landotucker]

Another fantastic video. Thanks, Will!

[@marklucas2548]

Not sure if this is 100% correct but i believe the depth of the damaged section of pipeline is only 70 mtrs. If this is the case then most commercial divers would have the ability to get down to that depth. This means it wouldnt be an overly complicated operation provided you had the correct explosives and an idea of where the pipelines were located.

[@terrysullivan1992]

Much more likely would be to use an underwater robot to place the charges. These are very common these days. At 210 feet, a human diver would have to make a very difficult dive and I don't see any reason for a human to do that. Also; has anyone calculated the size and nature of each explosive charge needed to produce these explosions ?

[@OmnipresntGaming]

@@terrysullivan1992 A charge at the weld point wouldn't need to be very big to be honest, since the pipe doesn't need to be destroyed entirely; only separate one connection. The B1M did a video on the pipe lines design, well worth a watch

[@BL-yj2wp]

@@OmnipresntGaming But I read that the explosions were very powerful, several hundred kg of TNT equivalent. Whether or not that is overkill I don't know, but it would be a logistical challenge.

[@OmnipresntGaming]

@@BL-yj2wp oh really, I guess if you wanna make sure it's destroyed, it best to use a lot then 😅

[@lionelhutz3142]

They would need shaped charges to get through the concrete barrier. The fact that there were 3-4 demo charges (and not just 1) points to an advanced and complicated operation.

[@hltubes]

There is also another aspect: Causing division within Germany and within NATO. Some people in Germany are not particularly pro USA, some are more or less pro Russia and Putin knows. To be able to point fingers at the USA (or Britain) might have served the potentially good chances of reducing unity in the West, increasing fear und uncertainty in the German population. Repeated mentions of nuclear war by the Kremlin served this purpose as well.

[@JM-uk9yb]

I think you fail to mention more with a nato country (let’s primarily say the US) why it’s possible they did it. It makes more sense for them to do it than Russia as it severely hurts Russian infrastructure and future income. They also have their German ally in check. The importance of the timing of the event I remember was noteworthy. This was autumn time and Europeans especially Germans were very worried about the energy crisis about to hit that winter. Gas prices going up 8x to 10x, all energy costs were going up in this regard. Not to mention the huge cost to industry. There was speculation that Germany might fold and go for the easy option of obtaining some gas in the winter from nord stream around jan/feb. But that ended with the sabotage. You spent a great deal on Putin but I also think some more should’ve been spent on the US, especially regarding Bidens comments and even trump had something to say about the construction of it. So much thought had been opposed by the US prior to sabotage.

[@mpemberton7760]

There's another suspect who didn't make the list, but who's certainly worthy of consideration: Keyser Söze

[@userequaltoNull]

Do you think there may be some UXO affixed to the last pipe? It seems plausible to me that there was supposed to be 4 explosions, but one bomb failed.

[@gulogulo7636]

If this is a false Flagg, then there will be an unexploded device on the last pipe pointing to some one other than the perpetrators!

[@rositasultana3958]

There was a 4th explosion.

[@redtomcat1725]

Your video only raised more questions.

[@martso9288]

I guess there is no time better than now to confess to the deed. I went with a few of my old uni buddies, made a few basic explosives from nitrogen-based fertilizer and then blew them up at the spot. Our endevour unfortunately had a tiny impact on the environment, but its for the greater good. I hope you understand. Have a nice day!

[@chriswojda2078]

Great and thoughtful summary. I appreciate your approach and ability to not show bias or come to early conclusions.

[@jensschroder8214]

A leak was also found in the 4th and final pipeline. So 4 out of 4 pipelines will be destroyed. The most inconspicuous is certainly a fishing boat. The depth of the pipelines can be reached by experienced divers. The area is easily accessible from Kaliningrad by civilian ship. Just days before the attack, there was a small demonstration in Germany demanding that Nord Stream 2 be opened to get gas. That's impossible now.

[@greatesteverog]

@@dogstar8871 source?

[@mahadaalvi]

@@greatesteverog “trust me bro”

[@lordraydens]

@@dogstar8871 sure bub. u.s. doesn't need to do anything to drum up support with putin's saber rattling and annexation

[@samfkt]

Some "Russian-pro" ships and as well as some "western" ships were seen these days there.....

[@ivanoranrof9577]

@@dogstar8871 He never alleges that he has all the facts. That should go without saying. He could do a followup video, tho.

[@riverbend100]

How about Gazprom? Perhaps they didn't sabotage it but it would suit them as they can no longer be sued for breach of contract and can declare 'Force majeure'.

[@alfred-vz8ti]

no mystery, except 'why are you in doubt?'

[@SirRobertDole2]

15:20 "Such an attack would represent a major shift in US policy" Maybe not officially, but it wouldn't be a policy shift at all for the CIA lol.

[@gahamhumphrey4812]

Remember the Maine

[@islandwills2778]

I agree completely, this type of covert action is a specialty of the USA

[@hvermout4248]

Our "ally" the CIA. Who were found to secretly tap the phone of Angela Merkel.

[@Bren39]

And uss pueblo... Goad the other side into defending themselves and then cry we're being attacked and bomb them. Been doing that since the us/Spanish war.

[@percyfaith11]

@@Bren39 You are messed up. What were the N.Koreans defending themselves from? Intelligence gathering in international waters? The only retaliation visited on N. Korea was that it's government was sued by the Pueblo survivors. The verdict awarded the survivors over 2 billion dollars from N. Kor. No bombing, no military action on the part of the US. In fact, the US apologized for spying in order to get the crew back. Guess you don't want facts to get in the way of your biases.

[@rechtewahrer]

I am surprised this pipeline was built at all after hearing that all stakeholders have good reasons to blow it up.

[@WJINTL]

When it was constructed nobody was sending weapons to one another to attack the other with. Tensions were high but declining.

[@slipjones2]

@@WJINTL you mean to say this was prior to Russia’s invasion of the Ukraine

[@svansy]

They say that the one that did it talks the most and you my good sir spoke for almost 18min on the topic and such an event would surely give you enough content to make at least 3 youtube videos 🤔

[@saurabhbiswas6690]

Best channel ❤️

[@valsarff6525]

"If you want to know who controls you, look at who you are not allowed to criticize" - François-Marie Arouet aka Voltaire

[@inoovator3756]

We are controlled by children with terminal diseases? Also Voltaire never said that

[@empirednw6624]

🇮🇱

[@charlesscott4722]

Lol How is Israel involved in this?

[@empirednw6624]

@@charlesscott4722 they want to weaken Russia.

[@JohnDoe-nf6yk]

people criticize israel all the time. Grow a pair

[@addymant]

Feel like a mention of Iran in the final section may have been worthwhile, given there isn't much more to sanction and they have a lot to gain in Europe getting desperate for natural gas, both in terms of potential profits and in terms of sanctions potentially being lifted. On the other hand, as you mentioned, there isn't much of a looming deadline on an attack. Germany was already distancing itself from Russian gas and Putin was already "maintaining" the pipeline.

[@Dodsodalo]

This is not bad. I had a crazy thought earlier of Kazakhstan doing this to improve national security by undercutting Russia's capability to recover due to the Duma this year demanding the invasion of Kazakhstan only for China to tell them to fuck off and Kazakhstan begining to make energy deals with others around the... Caspian? Sea. China would have done it to make Russia completely dependent on them and ensure cheap gas supply. But that's the thing so many people could have done it. It's honestly the perfect set up for a crime.

[@khiem1939]

@@Dodsodalo Determining if the explosions were INTERNAL or EXTERNAL would be interesting!

[@Frankie5Angels150]

The problem is that Iranians can’t swim!

[@YTLSF]

Interesting hypothesis, but I doubt they would have been able to bring a vessel there unnoticed, given the fact they are under heavy watch from their ennemies like the US and Israel

[@addymant]

@@YTLSF Oh I agree it isn't at all likely, but neither really are any of the non-Russia and non-NATO alternative theories

[@robheusd]

That area is very well monitored, Eussia could not have done it without being tracked immediately, and would have been made publically all over the world in all major newspapers. We have not seen any evidence Russia did it, so that rules out that Russia did it, unless the explosions were brought in from within the pipes themselves. But technical exmination of the pipes will discover that sooner or later. We will figure that out soon enough.

[@cameronspence4977]

Absolutely not true that russia could not have done it without being noticed. Do you even understand how hard it is to track submarines and uuvs?

[@piercedfreak27]

you forgot about the drones that transverse inside the pipelines, they could have had explosives.

[@AzUniverzumUraesParancsoloja]

I was making lot of thoughts about the suspects and what I was not making thoughts of were the German hardliners! Good catch!👍

[@bobsaturday4273]

are you uncomfortable walking around with your head up your arse ?

[@cameramans3026]

As a dutchie thinking that the Netherlands had anything to do with it sounds impossible. Our gas come mainly from groningen and is causing earthquakes so the Netherlands is shutting down the gas operations but can't close everything completely because of the contract with Germany. They really want and need the gas since they can't get it from Russia anymore so are putting more pressure on our agreement and forcing the Netherlands to find ways to get the gas.

[@cl8804]

dush bish snishes lul

[@fredcarr3550]

Are you saying that the extraction of Netherlands" gas is affecting the sub-surface to the extent that such is causing earthquakes? please expand on this.

[@gothparishilton420]

@@fredcarr3550 yes it used to be pretty bad and a lot of houses in groningen were getting earthquake damage.. and the people that were affected had to fight to be heard and get help to fix their houses. they have now decreased the amount of gas they’re getting from groningen very drastically because everyone was angry and scared and their houses damaged.

[@peterjames2617]

Well done for an extremely good, deep and fair analysis of the situation. Many thanks.

[@Dakurar]

I'm going to watch the whole thing, but I know in my heart it was America.

[@zachary9925]

The most likely scenario is that "someone" is worried that NATO will waiver politically and certain parties in some countries will lose the will to continue supporting Ukraine in hopes of getting Russian gas turned back on. With that option now being jeopardized it seems that no amount of political shifts in any NATO countries will matter. Russia was financially removed from the global market, now it is being physically removed.

[@aristoclesathenaioi4939]

See my comment on the video. I agree with you, and I think it was the German Green Party along with environmental activists in Norway and Sweden as well as International. Greenpeace knows a lot about operating in a maritime operation, and I would readily believe there are environmental activists with the know-how to do this.

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

@@aristoclesathenaioi4939 There is no way environmental activists would do that. the oil spill is a ecological disaster that any environmentalists would object to even if it means maintaining fossil fuel flow.

[@aristoclesathenaioi4939]

@@neurofiedyamato8763 good point

[@Eriugena8]

but who could that be? duhn-duhn Duhhhn