Gathering Under A White Flag | Sacred Symbols+ Episode 158

[@MrStorm2000]

1:29:07 is my favorite Colin line in a looong time, lol

[@reserrved9183]

This is so dope. You guys should get together a few times a year.

[@Not_Likely_319]

I second that thought!

[@stefanotrida]

I miss E3... Would be the perfect oportunity

[@grambowbc6093]

Ya. The 2022 draft was a missed opportunity.

[@MisterK-YT]

Agreed

[@jonlb25]

5 Things to know about Colin Moriarty 1) He’s a Microsoft Shareholder 2) Couldn’t Platinum My Name is Mayo 3) Still says Xbox has no games 4) Does 30 mins of Cardio a day 5) Gave Microsoft the last $1 they needed to buy Activision

[@colehuesca]

Whoa whoa whoa, what do you mean he couldnt platinum my name is mayo

[@DrShakamoto9]

Has his own game studio

[@thelarry383]

number 3 is the most factual one

[@Plutoboy85]

And so salty

[@viciousvictortee1298]

As funny as the 1 dollar comment is. MICROSOFT actually refunded that 1 dollar. Which might make it funnier.

[@Mr8T1]

Sacred Symbols X Defining Duke... an organic crossover.

[@marcring2365]

i think you meant "orgasmic" ... per Dustin

[@GameRiot]

Mature discussion while disagreeing and agreeing. What world is this

[@breadboi8747]

I think that might be bc it’s face to face interaction by professionals. Obviously there’s biases around but they aren’t gonna start flinging mud like the fanboy community

[@jansonhensen7804]

I can never tell if these comments are parody or not.

[@transfiguration8865]

What did they disagree on? All they did was curmudgeonly shit on Xbox the entire episode, lol.

[@PeteOliva]

@@transfiguration8865 I found it reasonably more balanced than that.

[@transfiguration8865]

​@@PeteOliva , nah, all they did was shit on Xbox for about an hour and a half.

[@barryburton8477]

This should be a quarterly, multiple hour podcast going forward

[@CoupledHippo]

This is the greatest collaboration in the history of collaborations, maybe ever.

[@Blackronin357]

Did you watch the last ILP stream? Cuz that was!

[@greekthunder]

Fantastic episode. While SS is still my #1, Cog has been the greatest "acquisition" to the crew, him and Matty are perfect together, and I can't imagine paying the $25 a month without Cog.

[@taia-b8f]

Colin’s disdain for Jim Ryan is just hilarious 😂

[@capcaveman86]

Holy shit, that "stand down" hoodie in the PlayStation 1 font is legendary 😂

[@akbar5265]

I've never heard someone who loves to listen to his own simple takes as much as Colin lol

[@Plutoboy85]

Lots of salty shots at XBox and the Duke guys staying silent. Don't want to upset the boss.

[@761sttankbattalion]

hos mad

[@albie21121]

funny to see the xbox guy wearing a bungie shirt, not knowing Sony will buy them days after this was recorded. A-ight. Nahhhh mean?. Nahhhh sayin?

[@HumongousBeastBoi]

@@albie21121 Well, he's wearing a Destiny shirt. Destiny is staying multiplat, and so is Bungie. Nahhh sayin?

[@albie21121]

@@HumongousBeastBoi aighhht. nahhh mean?

[@boots8562]

Damn, this is like that one time when Vince McMahon was on WWF Raw and WCW Nitro live on the same night across TNT and USA Network...okay it's nothing like that but still pretty cool...

[@BenjiB0P]

the reason cloud streaming is so inconsistent is that there is so many variables. The device you use, the operating software on that device, app or browser, internet speed, location to server, wifi or cellular. But ultimately Dustin is right, it's not viable until it's consistent, and its currently the opposite of that right now

[@conor4274]

The thing about "sitting on Banjo" is that is a decision that is made by Rare. Phil Spencer's current philosophy running his studios is to give the studios creative freedom and ownership over their IP. Greg Mayles is the reason there isn't a new Banjo. This has been publicly declared. He doesn't want to work on Banjo right now and doesn't want to loan out the IP. But I'm fairly certain that once Toys for Bob get given that same creative freedom that they will be happy to continue working on IP that they clearly care about like Crash and Spyro.

[@chrisdogniez1725]

Love the coincidental Destiny shirt being worn here, blissfully unaware of the next big purchase XD

[@michaelgranger146]

Loving the Sacred Dukes : Defining Symbols ❤️ would hope for more of this in future!

[@BigBossSquirtle]

It's nice having everybody in the same show. They should do a monthly episode of Sacred Symbols x Defining Duke with everybody.

[@theycallmeGUN]

It’s too bad this wasn’t recorded a week later with the Bungie news

[@HammerHawkPRO]

Nice to see everybody together. Have a great week guys.

[@Donald_Allan]

I listened to the audio version of this and thought it was a great show. Thank you for sharing this on KZbin. It's good to see the the teams from Defining Duke and Sacred Symbols come together. It will be great to see more episodes where the 5 of you come together and shoot the breeze. By the way tell Chris to get his smoke detector sorted. When I was listening to this I got into a panic as I thought the smoke detectors in my apartment were going off and I couldn't work out why or how. But as it turns out Chris's smoke detector 🤣

[@expertb6348]

Great episode I wish it was much longer, but I understand you guys are very busy as it is. I just wanted to say that Dustin put into words what I was thinking. And it's that when Sacred Symbols talked about the acquisition they were mostly talking about the big picture of how this might affect the gaming industry. While Matty and Cog were were mostly looking at the small picture and how this is better for Activision-Blizzard IPs. That's why SS sounded negative while on DD it sounded positive. Explains why I agreed with both of them even though they seemed to have different views on it. I personally I'm more than happy with it. We most likely will get many games that weren't going to be made by Activision-Blizzard. Plus Xbox and PC players will get a bigger gamepass library. As well as incentive Playstation to make first party shooters again. But we won't truly see the effects of this acquisition in atleast 5 years.

[@TavishHill]

I don’t feel as if Colin is engaging in good faith with points that undermine his central thesis wrt the ABK deal. His comments are almost entirely strawman arguments that avoid the real counterpoints made to his position. Nobody that I have seen has suggested ‘every single team working on CoD would be taken off of the IP and the IP shelved’. What many are hoping for is new IP from these teams (like the one we *literally* just saw announced from Blizzard days after the deal was announced). Or looking to make games utilizing those ABK IP’s that are dormant, which Phil said he wants to see done so you can bet that will happen. We also are hearing that CoD will indeed be taking a year off for the next iteration in the chain (2024 likely won’t have a CoD game, for instance). Simply pretending ppl are out there expecting CoD to be sidelines just to fabricate a counter argument is not constructive and isn’t based in reality. Someone else also brought up the argument that we can't trust MS to maintain ABK IP since they don't keep making BK games or whatnot...but the reason they aren't making BK games is *because* MS gives their teams the freedom to pick their own projects, unlike ABK. Rare isn't making BK because they wanted to make SoT, their dream game. The last thing you should want is for Phil to force these teams to make games for IP that they just don't want to build anymore. That just gets them back in the same situation they were in beforehand.

[@DJ_Papi_Luna]

That's colin for ya

[@vernontk]

Bringing both podcasts together worked very well. Hope to see it again.

[@ocdgamer6030]

I love both platforms and always buy both, I used to be a big fan of colin, but lately he puts his opinions out there as facts. I understand everyone has an opinion but he's got a big audience now,and should probably say some of the things he puts out there to his audience are his opinion only. You owe that to the people who watch you. You can also see which platform he is biased towards

[@GrimzReapr]

Yea this guy is soo annoying to the point where it kills the vibe for the show ...

[@spenny2cents]

Ummmm. Sacred Symbols is a Playstation podcast, hence the “bias” and Colin is indeed very opinionated and outspoken but I’ve never heard him claim his opinions as FACT. Don’t confuse passion with permanence. Do you expect everyone to constantly repeat “in my opinion” after literally every statement they make? Of course not. So do us a favor and learn to make up your own mind based on others opinions and your own believed “facts”

[@lt_johnmcclane]

@@spenny2cents people really do expect someone to preface every opinion they have as “my opinion” or “I could be wrong but”. It’s ridiculous. If someone has conviction in their opinions then they’re all of a sudden stating an opinion as fact in some people’s minds

[@Rapunzel879]

Yeah, he states his opinion in a dogmatic fashion, which I really don't care for.

[@vanguardduelist]

It’s so awesome seeing both crews together. I look forward to the next time all of you are together

[@TheSterlingArcher16]

That Destiny shirt was great foreshadowing.

[@hue9129]

Was Cog foreseeing the future with his Destiny shirt or just trolling 😛

[@DJ_Papi_Luna]

He knows a lot of people in the industry so he often has insider info.

[@joelmilten]

He’s a destiny guy. I think that’s how his iron lords podcast got their name.

[@R4Z3RHD]

Really glad you guys decided to do this!

[@BokuPower]

Colin, you've done a good job putting together a great team.

[@acct4600]

this is how the standard podcast SHOULD be. none of that splitting the shows up by console, feeding into the console war. it unifies your viewership & fanbase instead of separating them into two different sides of a console war. you guys could even throw a little nintendo & pc talk in there if the situation warrants it. as you can see from the comments, EVERYONE here seems to like this better than splitting things up. instead of splitting the shows up by console manufacturer, just do more shows more often, to make up for the missed views that you would've had from doing multiple shows, like kinda funny does. unfortunately i got blocked from my main account for saying this smh

[@NM-sb9co]

100% agree with you I've been listening to sacred symbols for a while and it's just stupid to see Chris constantly talking about playstation when his clearly more into xbox games he's also way more insightful when it comes to xbox but they will never do somthing like that I imagine a huge amount of the viewers is console warriors combining everything will have a big drop in ingagement.

[@NM-sb9co]

They also mostly ignore Nintendo when they are probably the most secsessfull right now out of the big 3 ,combining the shows will let them include Nintendo topics as well

[@THX-2208]

I absolutely love your videos - The fact its a fanboy free zone is such a rarity these days. Never chance the philosophy of your channel as its one of the few channels that gives an unbiased view on the industry we all love. 💚💙

[@Blackronin357]

Haaaaaaaaa

[@chrism9165]

The top 3 had a podcast a week ago that was the biggest fan boy podcast in history. They hit every fanboy note from the media is bought buy Xbox to Sony is the true organic company.

[@PantherCrane]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@DanXcel]

What a great and healthy conversation. I’d love too see DD and SS collaborate more (whatever that looks like). You guys are awesome!

[@PTFlea-id3gs]

Sacred symbols guys are pretty depressing compared to the dukes. Matty and Cog seem to genuinely enjoy gaming and talking about games more. Also the way the sacred symbols guys go out of their way to not say anything good about Xbox while people like matty keep an open mind about all platforms just shows the difference.

[@HumongousBeastBoi]

I find that that is the difference between Sony fans and Xbox fans in general, too.

[@Broken_valley]

Haven’t watched yet but happy to see you put it out for the free crew! Excited to see the conversation and the different ways you all view/feel about the acquisition!

[@ViciousRead]

This was the conversation I was looking for all week. Thanks, guys!

[@synysterpain]

I wasn't expecting this, but this will be a great episode.

[@toddeggleston3556]

The problem with combating with timed exclusivity deals, is those mean nothing once someone comes in and buys that publisher.

[@gamerbychoice4024]

Yeah the timed exclusivity issue is touchy. People said they did not want Microsoft buying publishers but would it have been any better to buy timed exclusives of all the games? I think that is why Sony is playing nice now with Bungie acquisition for now. I think they were in talks first with Bungie before Xbox with Activision. I cannot wait to see how this plays out. I am lucky enough to have PS5 and XSX and XSS so I am covered either way.

[@CGMossa]

Dustin's intro hits.

[@PaulieWalnuts13]

Ever since dustin watched sopranos he can’t stop going “ohhh” paulie walnuts over here 💀

[@bobbob-cd9yl]

Would be pretty dope for another one of these after E3 or whatever that would be this year

[@LuciusAugustusRex]

The Dukes! Having Colin on the ILP was spicy. Happy to see this discussion.

[@deathswirl]

so much was well said in this episode. Happy Colin was there to confirm it every time anything was ever said.

[@JusticeSoulTuna]

Truly, the crossover event we need at the start of this year. And honestly? The beauty of the game industry right now is that we get to have these conversation; that competition between the big game companies is keeping things fresh and interesting. Xbox One was a dire generation, saved only towards the end by Xbox One X and the backwards compatible program. Now, the Series consoles + Game Pass, alongside PS5 with its upcoming heavy hitters, Nintendo's bold visions for its long-standing franchises, and PC gaming's large and complex offerings is making this generation of gaming the most engaging, for sure.

[@MrLocke-bk3om]

Amazing episode. Please do this more often. One major positive of this acquisition is increased competition. As odd as it sounds, the consolidation of studios is actually driving increased competition and I believe that we’re going to see higher quality games from both Microsoft and Sony because this is NOT business as usual. They are both competing for their lives, and consumers will ultimately benefit.

[@gamerbychoice4024]

I agree with you. Even with the slight consolidation in the industry now there are still enough major players where everyone eats well. I think Xbox buying publishers may be just the kick the industry needed to say hey we need to play nice or the juggernauts of the industry will come in and buy everything they need to succeed.

[@Rapunzel879]

Consolidation is necessary for competition.

[@Alex_Logan22]

The irony of the Destiny shirt.

[@GCPlugs]

i swear chris is hilarious man. not even 5 mins in, he has everyone laughing

[@Not_Liquid]

This was great. We need more SS and DD collaborations!

[@RoddyPercs]

Cog was on fire this episode

[@williamholbert529]

Happy February Guys. GREAT Episode.

[@nathanboreman5971]

I think Colin has some good points but as of today, a lot of what he said has already aged badly.

[@darkdragonite1419]

How has it aged badly?

[@nathanboreman5971]

@@darkdragonite1419Mainly the part about organic growth. He's has some good points, but a lot is pinched with a bit of biased.

[@DJ_Papi_Luna]

I agree.

[@codeholo6631]

Such a great team up! Ya love to see it! Thank you.

[@cpuassassin1422]

We need a part two for the Sony acquisition!

[@HumongousBeastBoi]

It's just one studio. Not worth; not even comparable.

[@MrMattyG]

The crossover we all need! Yes Dustin, I came.

[@Alex_Logan22]

It’s like Argo, it’s a bad idea but it’s the best bad idea we got. There were no good ideas.

[@kevinkomaki7392]

Finally everyone together on one show

[@bmartin717]

I don't think Microsoft really considers Sony their competition. I can see Microsoft allowing people to buy the games they make on PS or Steam or wherever they want to play. It's all about game pass and the future streaming rights. This may be the last traditional console generation but Microsoft is set up to dominate in the streaming future.

[@Rapunzel879]

I think Microsoft might warm up to support multi platform fully once Gamepass blows up. Because the value will always be firmly within Gamepass, even if they do end up selling all of their games on PlayStation.

[@zWraithh]

Chris' aesthetic is the love child of Steve Jobs and Gideon from Scott Pilgrim vs the World

[@afatasimatai]

This is the show this is the definitive version of Last Stand Media.

[@partlycloudy1942]

Colin is such an amazing voice in gaming nobody breaks it down better.

[@MyManJFKTV]

I’m here for the assembly of the Last Stand Avengers. Not a huge fan of major buyouts of publishers, but if it brings the heroes together, so be it.

[@redcamussv]

I'm loving this episode so far, but I would love to see another crossover like this where Colin isn't the host and someone more neutral is, like Dagan, Micah or Ben. But like I said, great episode and I hope this type of crossover happens more often!

[@rd_2113]

The house is packed 😍

[@redcamussv]

Also. Just would want the question addressed - if Gamepass comes to PS... does that mean that xbox gives up the hardware business? Because at that point there is no reason to own an xbox. To me that's the main reason this wouldn't happen, bc Microsoft does want to have a presence "the living room" and the idea of Gamepass on PS contradicts that.

[@nexuszen769]

Not Satya Nadella's Microsoft. If it was his choice, he'd be getting you to pay rent for your digital NFT of a living room. He doesn't give a shit about having a physical presence or product anywhere. Service, service, service.

[@redcamussv]

@@nexuszen769 😯

[@redwolf4123]

I will always love how every time Colin says any word that begins with t h, he pronounces it as if he is saying the word "this" or "there" and uses that same pronunciation with every other th word lol 🤣 loved this episode guys 😊

[@SolidPython2099]

Correction on what Chris said: Majoras Mask on Switch is not the PAL version, Nintendo 64 app provides both PAL and NTSC versions of games, you just have to chose which one you want from the games list.

[@sajjadahmed46]

I loved the organic flow of this podcast

[@bobbob-cd9yl]

rumor is whenever Last stand releases a new episode it's the day of HUGE news dropping

[@YukarioMashimato]

Haha 🤣 I was thinking the same thing, oops Activision got bought, this episode drops, oops Bungie is bought

[@BDreGameplay]

Chris comparing Microsoft to the eye of Sauron is the funniest damn thing I've heard all day.

[@MisterK-YT]

Can’t wait for Chris to introduce the new iGlasses and Apple Car.

[@whenisdinner2137]

Dead IP is a natural consequence of growth. PlayStation and Nintendo have fucking mountains of it. Stop acting like xbox is going to make it any worse LMAO. I've been waiting for dark cloud 3 for 20 FUCKING YEARS. Also HOW DARE YOU. VIVA PINATA SLAPS AND I WILL HEAR NOTHING TO THE CONTRARY.

[@chadleech5071]

To the point about bluepoint-bethesda not being the same. I don't think I've seen that argument before, my argument has always been against the idea that Sony had never took anything away from Xbox which they have.

[@imthemoeron]

HAHA cog wearing a destiny shirt talking up microsoft. Funny to look back on after this crazy month

[@kirachem]

1:29:07 Xbox next week: "Coming soon to Xbox Game Pass: The Bible"

[@Mike-sf7ex]

To be fair to Xbox sitting on dead IPs I don't think you can really blame them when XGS had 6 internal development studios as recently as 2017. There's only so much Microsoft can do with the talent they had.

[@brandonsoto7225]

Great episode fellas. Appreciate all you do.

[@skygoing82]

I got to admit I kept waiting for the Dukes to announce that they purchased last stand media!😜

[@spacelesslink5784]

The greatest crossover event in cinematic history.

[@N0VA_30M3]

I just can't see what Colin does, I've played a more diverse lineup because of subscription services, they have led to mote variety and creativity, and much less volatility for the creators. When he talks about comparisons to TV style subscription services it makes no sense, those services are better for consumers and the quality of the content we watch is miles ahead of cable TV, we don't even get commercials anymore, and advertisers dictating that every sitcom needs 3 guys and 3 girls in two apartments.

[@bigbotzone]

I like the music industry comparison. The good thing about that band that would get a million dollar deal before and flopped the million was wasted. Now if you suck you don't get a deal because you friend knows someone at a music studio. It brings out the music the people want instead of the trash some sweaty studio executive wants.

[@Kasual7]

I really love this panel and level-headed discussion (so tired of other scripted podcasts out there). My beef with Microsoft is that despite the fact they're now serious with gaming I hate the fact that it feels like they're cheating or at least what they've been doing is not earned. It's so easy to buy multiple studios and claim their IPs as yours and now there you go you got plenty of exclusives, I wish Microsoft took the time over the years to nurture original IPs just like Sony did. I won't be seeing Stars Citizen as an "Xbox" game...no I want to see something M has built from the ground up to bolster their core identity as a player in this industry.

[@alexlyster3459]

To be fair, I think they are taking that time to nurture IP. But if you look at say Ghost of Tsushima, HZD, those games took like 6 years. MS started making their acquisitions and studio expansions in 2018, so basically 4 years ago. Essentially we should start seeing the fruits of their labour starting next year/2024. Somy had their house in order first, but I think it's clear MS are hopefully on the right track

[@spenny2cents]

💯💯

[@kambonwilliams701]

Did Colin know the Sony COD contracts only run to 2023 when they streamed this?

[@michaelkulick6553]

Hope you guys come back together and talk about Sony buying Bungie. Would be a fascinating discussion with the same panel

[@GrimzReapr]

Yea Colin a trillion dollar company doesn't have a plan & is totally building it in the air as they go 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 God everyone is too nice to Colin with his fuckery

[@GrimzReapr]

@Styxx19 yea they tried to cover for him like he had to go .. but he dipped super quick when gaz hopped on lol

[@elpiquetegames787]

This is amazing I want more of this🔥

[@lowerclassbrats77]

The response might be a Sony-Nintendo merger. Once complete they may go about the business aquiring Capcom, Sega, Square, Konami and Tecmo forming video game Voltron.

[@mutalix]

Christ, such a massive merger would vanquish anything and almost everything.

[@TimeSplitterChimp]

I would love another Shadowrun FPS that game was so unique and different from everything on the market at the time. One of my favourite multiplayer games of all time.

[@williamfellows9719]

If Sony is going to buy something I think Konami is probably the best route to go on all fronts. You liberate 3 strong (but dead) IPs with MGS, SIlent Hill and Castlevania. These have a solid Playstation history, take nothing away from anyone and I imagine they are much cheaper than Square and Capcom by miles.

[@spenny2cents]

OMG YOU WERE RIGHT!! Sony bought Kon….just kidding they bought Bungie.

[@haterpro0f]

What a great podcast!!! We need more crossovers💯

[@flooblybub]

You guys should shoot the sh*t like this once a month or something! :D was a lot of fun.

[@TimeSplitterChimp]

On the topic of Gamepass going to Switch and the topic of certian IP's not having enough time to be worked on like Banjo for example, could Microsoft let Nintendo take control of making a Banjo game for them and do something like have that exclusive to Switch Gamepass ?

[@qmuzhjz9]

this is definitely the best podcast for games!!!

[@thewirv]

oh, I expected this to be about Bungie

[@jessegarciaiv5380]

Great stuff guys, love the chemistry.

[@WiseG33k]

Monopolies are the logical progression of a late-stage capitalist system. It is worrying, don't get me wrong, but I don't understand the Microsoft bashing from some players (not this show), especially since Activision-Blizzard were actively looking to be bought. I'm glad it was Microsoft who made the acquisition. For one, it removes these IPs and studios from the grasp of Tencent. Secondly, MS have a wider reach than Sony, putting their games on PC and wherever XGP is available.

[@xliv2sk8x90]

Chris looks like an Arkane character. Both The Netflix series and the video game company.

[@wiggyp1v255]

Need more of all you guys together. Maybe one show a month?

[@Carz03]

What happened to the beard guy who looks like the KZbin drama guy?

[@TimeSplitterChimp]

I would love to see a third person almost Sony type of game done with WOW and it's characters, it has great lore and worlds to mess around with. When can we get a Marcus Fenix Collection as well....

[@bobbob-cd9yl]

Yo this is literally what i have wished for ages!!!

[@TheMaestro116]

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