“Gay Men Are Attracted To Me” Reacting To WOKENESS Infiltrating The Gay Community

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[@MattAntar]

Thank you for having me! This was so fun ❤️

[@ankavoskuilen1725]

Were the flowers in the background real?

[@bustedloads9045]

Great show guys.

[@jamestaylor5443]

Yeah wish more and more people would speak up and not worry about being judge, communication is a good key to alot of things.

[@4DutchiesinMexico]

You should be on this channel more often. It was like a fresh breathe of air to hear you both give your pov on these subjects. Followed you too, of course!

[@joshuatheargonaut4412]

Love this. This is a breath of fresh air. I’ve been sick of the same far left or far right rhetoric. There is a place of balance in the middle where reason and common sense still exist.

[@lumaisabela5284]

For someone who wants to be identified as a man,she does her makeup very well 😂

[@katiekate4992]

😂😂😂 thought the same . Looks like a woman to me!

[@timothyautumn]

Well, I get your point (like don‘t get upset that people don‘t recognize your transition, if your transition is a new hair cut etc.) but your comment sounds like „men can‘t wear make up“

[@timothyautumn]

@@ayla4248 true

[@penultimania4295]

@Timothyautumn men are not supposed to wear makeup period. If you want to do that, go ahead, but nobody will consider you masculine.

[@timothyautumn]

@@penultimania4295 “Men are not supposed to wear make up” says who? It’s neither a universal/biological condition, it’s just a social thing. See this behavior is the reason why queer ideology has turned so radical. A man who wears make up is not any less of a man, compared to a man who doesn’t wear make up bruh

[@orcashadow8989]

"I dated a trans person once, and I want credit for it!!" The emotional music in the background is a nice touch lmao

[@annebos4634]

yeah I noticed that too so cringe. And this woman is not even in her teens or twenties or even thirties anymore. She must be a sad person, really.

[@dougmasters4620]

So you’re gay big deal

[@iTsEfFiNsTePhh]

Agreed- sounds like the same thing some people say to make it seem like they're not racist "I dated a black person before, I have black friends, etc!" ain't cute then and it ain't cute here either especially not when the person saying it looks like they're close to middle age if not already there 🤷🏻‍♀️ Obviously this relationship wasn't as perfect, amazing, kind, and the first time they've ever experienced that in a relationship as they said it was not only because it ended but also because they're using them for clout/as a shield... gross 🙄

[@Slowed--plus--Reverb]

I'm a lesbian and my older brother is gay. He's into all the "woke" TikTok lgbt stuff meanwhile I am not at all... He's the type to call you transphobic at the drop of a hat lol so I have to keep my views secret for the most part (sometimes I slip up and he gets a bit offended). It's nice to find other people who are in the community and actually feel the same way I do!

[@minuishaq631]

Would be date a transman? Have you asked him that?

[@Slowed--plus--Reverb]

@@minuishaq631 He once said he would date one if the trans guy passes 🤔

[@cuppeach6880]

It's usually the other way around. I highly doubt he believes in any of this stuff. What he's most likely passionate about is "we're all in this together!" where he believes if trans "rights" are diminished, then so will gay rights. I have 2 lesbian friends that dont truly believe in this stuff but they genuinely think it's deeply connected to lesbian and gay rights. They're still my friends because we grew up together but now they see me as a dumbass for not supporting a lot of trans stuff and im going to ruin their rights as lesbians and mine as a gay guy. Most gays and lesbians support this stuff because we've groomed them into thinking trans and gay are connected, when theyre not.

[@tassiodrigues]

It's sad when we can't say what we think around people we love because they can manipulate us when their feelings get "hurt"... or you just shut up and swallow your words, or THEY start a fight because of "your intolerance" 🙄

[@tkps]

These types rely on you keeping your lip buttoned. That's how they got so much influence for such a small group. Let him get his feelings hurt. It was do gooder child psychologists from the late 80's on that persuaded the west to take away all discipline and for kids never to experience hurt or disappointment. The result is demanding the world be how they insist. Life hurts your feelings. Learning to handle it is how you grow not by expecting the world to cave (what your brother's doing). It will never happen and the demands made by this small group in the last few years is what's turned much of the support they had against them. If you have an opinion don't hide it.

[@xo7499]

They love the idea of "gay men" being attracted to them like some gay men like the idea of " straight" men being after them. Smh

[@aliasella488]

I imagine that she pretended they were attracted to her

[@tammi67able]

If a straight man is attracted to a gay guy he’s not straight

[@screamingopossum7809]

People like her confuse generic respect for attraction.

[@boredutopia]

@@screamingopossum7809 exactly. My expirence' with gay men, if there is attraction at the end of night you roll in sheets, or not but there is some kind of sexual activity or attraction is openly showed or told. I usually know when guys are interested. Usually I am problem coz I need to be attracted to person, so I need to talk or what ever to feel attraction. Otherwise I can't have sex. If she did not end in bed with all the gay men who were attracted to her or was close to it, otherwise they were just polite...

[@realityshotgun]

​@@screamingopossum7809narcissists think people looking in their direction is attraction or confuse any friendliness as attraction as well. They can't imagine that people don't think about them as much as they think they do.

[@sweethistortea]

I don’t understand why the TikTok people feel so entitled to people dating them. Nobody owes you a date, and if someone is not interested then there are plenty of apples on the forest for them to find.

[@minuishaq631]

A lot of wokness is actually about the unfuckable trying to pressure others into fucking them

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

Why would you want to date someone who doesn't actually want to be with you? I can't think of anything more degrading than knowing that. But I've been with my husband for 24 years, so when I was dating it was a different time, when you could say no for any reason and that was OK.

[@GemnEyes]

I mean not long ago there was the me too movement, is this no longer valid to them?

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

@@GemnEyes nope. Women have more "privileges" than they do.

[@weswolever7477]

It’s time to employ the Ripley option on tiktok

[@liz9284]

So a woman who identifies as a man, but looks like a woman, calls herself a gay man, who goes on a date with a “gay man”, and the only problem she has is with who pays? Just typing out that summary gives me a headache, and I’m still not sure if I summarized her video correctly. I will say this though-I don’t think he told her she looked more masculine than he does so she needed to pay. I literally don’t believe her, I think that’s a straight-up lie (pun intended….)

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

A woman, who pretends to be a man, but a gay men. It's being straight, but with extra steps. What happened to tomboys?

[@liz9284]

@@terrancecloverfield6791 exactly!! I shudder to think about what might have happened to me when I was a kid (I’m 47 now). I always rode boys bikes, with the boys. I took things apart just to see how they worked. I never wanted to wear dresses and God forbid anyone approach me with anything pink, I hated it. I build furniture bc I enjoy woodworking. The list goes on and on. If I had grown up now, there would be no shortage of ppl telling me I was really a boy. I still like to do all those things, but I grew out of my tomboy phase, and I don’t get why ppl can’t see this!

[@pelicanofpunishment6]

@@liz9284 That's the big problem. So many so-called trans people never seek psychological confirmation. It's all self-diagnosed, like depression and such was when I was in school. Everyone was self-diagnosing themselves with a mental health issue and it was, at most, half of them that actually had one to any degree. And I feel it may become the same with being trans. Looking at things that can be explained other ways as though the can't and they can only be trans. It's frightening to think about the number of potential detransitioners it's going to create. I just hope that everything calms down a little again and people start seeking professional confirmations again and doing things the smarter way by making damn sure it's what they actually want and not what they have just been told.

[@tkps]

If it happened at all it would've been be another woman playing the same game and both had the US female attitude that men pay for dates. Still shocks me it exists tbh. Unless our younger people are catching it from social media so demanding the same, we've gone 'halvies' on first dates since at least the 80's as we're meant to be equal. She used 'one in a million gay blokes date me' because she thinks we'd fall for that. She's fooling no one.

[@criticalthinking9924]

I think she tells the truth. The guy either gay or pretending simply wanted a free meal. So he duped her at her own game: validation and dating for a free meal.

[@TheOncelersTruffulaTree]

I’m terrified to write this comment but I love how they’ll call “cis” people cish*ts and talk about how bad they are but when a “cis” person doesn’t want to date a trans person they’re transphobic? I literally don’t understand and I’m bi.

[@ollylevesque3404]

Don’t worry bud. All this is pretty new. Don’t let anyone tell you what you need to like. They are just entitled.

[@courtneymeyers82]

It's a need to feel superior and dominant, they want power and control over others. Narcissistic tendencies

[@WanderingSpirit-ld1zc]

There are no cis or trans people.

[@yourlocalgrande]

Since they have transphobic we should have cisphobic

[@TheAnonymousartist00]

Or not being called cis thats another one..

[@kellenwilson8704]

Love your videos! Gay man married to my husband for 13 years here and exclusive for 17. Yes monogamous gay male couples exist and thrive 🤷🏻‍♂️❤️

[@kitsorcerer]

This is my goal as a gay man

[@sweethistortea]

Honestly the poly stuff is just glorified cheating. I don’t understand why so many people are comfy with that.

[@genzi78514]

​@@sweethistorteaadd long as I have seen, only one couple is actually OK with that situation.

[@kitsorcerer]

@sweethistortea I mean you don't know where they have been. Like what kind of disease they might bring back is scary

[@slimebunny5700]

​@@sweethistorteaall the poly couples I've seen tend to break up shortly or end up as two people because one person was giving the other more attention and leaving the other person/people out of it. Overall they easily become very toxic sadly. It hurts seeing vulnerable people get exploited in relationships like that.

[@too2great8]

Social media is degrading society. The amount of people who go on these platforms for validation for all kinds of things is truly disturbing. Who a person dates has no bearing on my life whatsoever, but the amount of gender identities and talk about gender is appalling. SMH!

[@kimberlyelliott7933]

💯

[@AlquimistEd]

It's because it's all fake. It's masks and appearances that people put out, you're not seeing people you're seeing filtered versions of what they want you to see.

[@YTDLW064]

For me as a heterosexual grandmother who has a 17 year old granddaughter that is wanting to take male hormones when she is 18yrs old & considers herself as transgender (not Transexual)…I appreciate Marcus & his guest(s)’ perspectives because I love my grandchildren very much! I need to hear all aspects of the Trans life. However, I’m not onboard with the WOKE Ideology of: using plural pronouns for a singular person nor am I on board with any young person under the age of 18 doing any transitioning. Honestly, I don’t think they should do it until Age 25 or older because it’s been proven that people do not reach their peek maturity/confidence level of know how they feel about being in their own skin until the age of 25. Most of us human have felt insecure about body image, our own sexual preferences, whether we are good enough….ect. I think young people need to take those years between 18-25 and just grow into mature adults … as to accomplishing a higher education/professions in order to pay for their transition medical needs. And of course, to mature in their social life & how are they going plan the Transition Journey (who will be there support team) because they are going to need to be completely confident that they are making the right life changing decision. Going thru the Transition Surgeries are irreversible!

[@AlquimistEd]

@@YTDLW064 Exactly

[@Khate999]

*Chinese Spy App* 🎉

[@lisettes.9598]

I miss the old community. Back in the 90s people just wanted to live and let live. Now everyone wants to be celebrated just for existing. Watching the decay of society has been interesting. But you know us gen xrs. We'll be apathetic all the way to the end.

[@elenawilliams32]

Yes! I have very fond memories of everyone just 'Gender bending' with no labels. No-one gave a toss, we were just out having a shit tonne of laughs. It was effortless and heaps of fun! Aaah... Memories.

[@lisettes.9598]

@@elenawilliams32 😢 I want to go back

[@sheerbeauty]

Yep. I miss nonracist times where the only green-haired people were in the Punk movement.

[@meganleslie9069]

As a gen-xer, I'd be apathetic but don't care enough to 😃

[@elenawilliams32]

@@lisettes.9598 Same. We definitely weren't out being the 'main character'. I'm a New Zealander currently living in Australia and we called that 'Being up yourself🚩' ... It wasn't a compliment.

[@DrLesleyStevens]

There used to be an old joke that came from the gay community itself back in thé day. Nów it would piss someone off.......what does a lesbian bring on a 2nd date? A U-Haul. What does a gay man bring on a second date? What second date?

[@KurenaiTenka]

Lol I thought it was third date for the U-Haul? Never heard the man half of the joke though.🤣

[@timbarry5080]

Lol

[@rattgod]

@@ayla4248I had a lesbian friend who explained this a little better; women feel a lot more trust and safer with other women, so that’s another reason why lesbians tend to move in together and progress their relationships a little faster.

[@kimberlyelliott7933]

😂

[@DrLesleyStevens]

It's actually found to be rooted in biology. Males tend to be more promiscuous independent of orientation. Females tend to associate sex and bonding again independent of orientation. This applies to most species on the planet not just humans.

[@ChemicalFleshCoffin]

As a gay man, no, I am definitely not attracted to her. Shes's pretty and all, but not a man. Insulting to all the trans guys that struggle out there whilst she has fun roleplaying as a ''uwu gay femboy''

[@nondescriptnyc]

I totally hear you! Also, on a side note, I have trans masculine colleagues that look like her-and they are both absolutely insufferable. Everything is about toxic masculinity, racism, systemic racism, and patriarchy. And, as one might guess, they are masters of getting out of responsibilities! They talk a lot, they are always angry, and they try to educate everyone-yet I have never, ever seen them be productive at work.

[@mikewestwood]

We (biological gay boys and men) are NOT attracted to that! 😂 Stop wanting to force us to date you (the opposite sex!).

[@tula1433]

I agree. Marcus has a pretty realistic view about it. He knows not all gay men will be into him as a trans man. These young straight females are literally fully female and feminine then demanding that straight men call themselves gay or queer for liking them! Nuts! All because these woke gender warriors hate straight white men! I am a transsexual meaning I got a sex change and fully pass. So offensive that these people think CLOTHING equals a new gender! I literally wouldn’t even date pre op because I didn’t want to be touched down there! Actual gender and sexed body and genital dysphoria is not fun! I’m so tired to these self ID types comparing themselves to me! My boyfriend and I met as friends first and he didn’t know I was transsexual. He finally ended up asking me out and when I told him my medical history he was willing to overlook it because he already had a crush! He had never ever considered being with someone like me and is the hunting and fishing conservative type, but I pass, and I am fully transitioned and have a sex change, and I am NOT woke! At my job there is a gay dude who wears lipgloss who is always making jokes about wanting straight men, and almost trying to lump him and I together as both being “trans”! I’ve tried to explain how lipgloss doesn’t change your gender and asked him if he would ever date our gay coworker, and he was like “so offended” because he’s a he/they! 😂😂😂 like bruh u have a beard and sound and look like James Charles stop pining for straight dudes just because you like lipstick and changed your pronouns! 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@heyo80]

Exactly right! These people really want to invalidate our orientation

[@gertexan]

Exactly, because if I wanted to date women I would date women, not a "former" women missing a vital piece of equipment.

[@jmarie4875]

Same for straight people, we don't want them either

[@bernvlogs7391]

As a gay man ill die happily single before I give in to multiples just to not be alone.

[@TheLalacream]

My first boyfriend turned out to be gay. He realized early in the relationship that he was gay, but he was worried that my feelings would be hurt. It took 7 years for him to come out of the closet to me. We broke up mutually, and without any hurt feelings (since the issue wasn't anything personal, it was just my gender, and the last third of our relationship was a distant one because he moved away). I do wish he had told me sooner because i feel like I wasted his time that he could have used finding a partner. He's in a better relationship now and i am happy for him.

[@bernadettedevereux4489]

You wasted HIS time?I'd have thought it was the other way round.

[@TheLalacream]

@bernadettedevereux4489 nah I'm an introvert so I don't socialize often.

[@nikemaraje5]

Girl he wasted YOUR time

[@TwoBs]

@@TheLalacreamExcept being an introvert has nothing to do with the fact someone hid how they felt for years, though. They wasted _your_ time. They should have spoke up much sooner. That’s not on you nor does it have anything remotely to do with how you interact with others socially lol. They should be apologizing for wasting your time, not the other way around. That’s a very backwards way of thinking as if you’re blaming yourself or something. Don’t do that.

[@TheLalacream]

@TwoBs he did apologize. My time wasn't really wasted with him anyway because he was and still is a sweet person. I just couldn't be upset at him. I'm now in a great relationship with my current partner, and he's happy with his partner. I find it pointless to hold any resentment over it

[@Majafundata]

Years ago when I was a part of the woke cult, I adopted a polyamorous lifestyle bc I thought it would be the fix to my reoccurring relationship issues. However, after meeting an “old school” kind of person and returning to monogamous dating, I’ve realized (over the past 7 years we’ve been together) that monogamy is what pushes people to grow emotionally and mentally. Polyamory is fun and exciting, but it’s truly just a life of excessive cheap thrills, and more often than not - people get hurt! More love doesn’t equal more *quality* love.

[@Raven9610]

Well said

[@lisettes.9598]

This notion of feeling "affirmed" is so odd to me. I just wanted people to be nice to me. I always thought their impression of me was something I had no control over past monitoring my own behavior. The word narcissism has become cliche these days, but I feel it aptly describes many who have gravitated to the trans movement.

[@scouticuss2121]

I agree. Mentally healthy people don't need to be "affirmed". Or my particular bugbear "denying my existence". Of course you exist or you wouldn't be here, on KZbin. Healthy people do not need external validation from others.

[@elizabethpilarski1076]

Narcissism Selfishness Insecure 😉

[@PatricenotPatrick]

Dysphoria should be diagnosed, not affirmed.

[@5050TM]

They also think the idea of basic respect and tolerance is offensive and only full acceptance is ok.

[@5050TM]

​@@PatricenotPatrickYes. They deserve to be medicated and treated properly, not told that there IS something with the body they are in. 😢

[@ntheobsn]

My experience as a gay man in NYC these people just want to be in open relationships are not normal. They even get married but have the marriage open. Blows my mind. I’m far too conservative for them 😂

[@loveyejisubs998]

YES. The responsibility of being loyal to your partner it's something really hard for this new generations lmao. (I'm 17 so I am gen Z... I feel ashamed 😭😭)

[@ArdenBijou]

Lmao I swear it’s the state. My bf and I (a woman) experienced this for a while before finding each other. It was nuts and we’re not conservative either. We’re so happy to be out of the dating cesspool that is NYC.

[@MiguelitoD770]

I lived in nyc for college and came back to Texas soon as I could. People thought for real for real that I grew up with racism and homophobia? Hardly. Unless they meant all the homophobia from gay men who say “I’m acting masculine” and not that’s just how I act? Which isn’t even all “rugged” I’m just an average dude. The same ones will say then “well you ain’t even that masc4masc gorrrrrl” okay which is it? Gays lol

[@stuff1784]

Right!!

[@qwertyboo]

Can you discuss about the newly crowned Miss Netherlands 2023 who is a transwoman? Curious to know your take on transwomen in women beauty pageants.

[@juliawacker]

That's actually not new, especially in Asia. There were some winners of beauty pageants that were born as the opposite sex, some of them were ladyboys some of them were transitioned.

[@littleboots9800]

And he looked like a horse.

[@arts9812]

Being in an "open relationship" basically defeats the purpose of being is a romantic relationship. Like the way I see it, you're either exclusive, or you're not actually in a real relationship.

[@valerianmandrake]

Yeah it's an excuse for emotional stunted/detached/immature/selfish people. They can feel great about theselves being "desired" by multiple others, but don't bother to really invest 100% in a person. Superficial people are probably more likely to enjoy this type of relationship..

[@grenade8572]

​@@valerianmandrakeI though my unability to understand the poly thing was because I'm aromantic asexual. I'm glad to hear that my confusion might be normal. (Btw, you might be think I'm egoist and afraid of commitment too, because I'm aroace. In fact, I really would like to be in a romantic relationship. But I never fell in love, and don't want to be loved if I can't love my partner...)

[@grenade8572]

​@@valerianmandrakeI though my unability to understand the poly thing was because I'm aromantic asexual. I'm glad to hear that my confusion might be normal. (Btw, you might be think I'm egoist and afraid of commitment too, because I'm aroace. In fact, I really would like to be in a romantic relationship. But I never fell in love, and don't want to be loved if I can't love my partner...)

[@cjthompson420]

I’m a gay man who gave up on Grindr 5 years ago when it was half biological women anyway. It’s not true that we didn’t use it for friends, especially when I was in other cities and alone and needed some “herbal medication” if you will lol. No, I am not phobic I’m gay. Why is this hard for these entitled women?

[@ericmartin9296]

Same I stop using Grindr years ago the delusional women have taken over it

[@littlemy1773]

Does the trans man who got pregnant and breast fed not get dysphoria from that . Isn’t that one of the most female things you can go through? So much so that trans women want to give birth and breast feed

[@diamonda3253]

Shhhhh your logic is non affirmative

[@brutalictesku]

I guess it's because of their biological desire to procreate is stronger than their dysphoria.

[@littlemy1773]

@@diamonda3253 🤣🤣🤣

[@telaragriffiths3520]

100% my thinking too. If you're so dysphoric, why do something that is inherently female. Getting pregnant is something ONLY females can do

[@70spoem]

finally some common sense regarding open relationships. it's sad and lowkey embarrassing how many younger people are buying into this open relationship/polyam bullshit and then you see them venting online about how unhappy they are and how much they want to kill themselves etc

[@loveyejisubs998]

Every poly person I have met tried to manipulate me in some way to get me into an open relationship... Every poly person I have met had an horrible mental and psychological health and was extremely narcissistic. So yeah, I think it's some kind of trend like the trans thing and the 10000 of new sexualities just for people who doesn't love and respect themselves enough... Which it is really sad.

[@ollylevesque3404]

Agreed. That and this “let’s unpack that, I’m definitely a therapist and not unstable” persona from the worst types which can apply to anyone really. Social media has made people arrogant to the extreme.

[@AlquimistEd]

That girl 100% does not want to be a man, she wants to attract gay men(which is not ok btw) but still wants them to treat her as a woman(but with he/him pronouns...). Women, leave gay men alone, we're not part of your fantasies, stop trying to convert us, stick to your yaoi manga and fanfics.

[@jessymfwilson]

The hypocrisy is unreal right? If a guy hit on her lesbian friend she would flip out but starts crying because gay men don’t want her. It’s so ridiculous.

[@jacobishii6121]

You guys should do more videos together.....your banter is fantastic.

[@OsakaJoe01]

The men saying "I'm too cis-passing." Who are they trying to fool? 😂 These people claiming this are only trying very hard to self-affirm. Like am I the only one who sees this? "So and so had to ask me several times if I'm trans and not cis." No he didn't. This never happened. They want to believe they "pass so well." Sorry, people can tell.

[@ragtowne]

Im a male I have male and female friends I hang out with - ignoring ruining a friendship by being inappropriately intimate - I would no more have intimacy with one of my male friends than I would have intimacy with a "trans female" - I would have no problem having a "trans female" as a friend if circumstances occured, being sexually attracted is something else.

[@notreallydavid]

Hearing somebody American say 'poor sods' has brightened up my day. Excellent stuff from Matt - he's clearly a completely likeable gent, and I'm not even gay.

[@BorgWolf359]

I am a gay man attracted to other gay men! I'm 56 & my husband is 57! We have been together since 2003, got married in 2004, & we will die together!

[@lewdrisyeet8872]

i have been called a transphobe because i don't like the term ''cis-man''. somehow i have to respect them but they don't respect me. i always thought i was the asshole in this matter. but its nice to know that i am not the only one

[@zeldaprincessgirl100]

If they don't respect you, then you don't respect them, simple as that. Respect is earned, not demanded.

[@user-hs5tq1ut4p]

I say, don’t call me cis, and I won’t call you COS

[@viscountrainbows2857]

I'm not even trans or nonbinary on purpose but I get people interchangeably calling me he and she. And It's whatever. I wish other people would be like that.

[@Burkwood]

I think the paying for the meal thing was that she wanted both to tell us a guy thought she was more masculine and she also wanted virtue signal that she didn't want to conform to the stereotype that men should always pay and open the door. My lord. People.

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

It's that narcissism......hate to say it but the religious conservatives are calling it.

[@sageisnotaplant99]

Your content is so important, Marcus. Thank you for being a rare voice of reason in the LGBT community

[@goreysins]

I find some trans guys that go after gay men specifically are like the ones who were tooo obsessed with BLs, Yaois, and MxM erotic fan fictions

[@user-gs6zj7dh2s]

I was sitting on vr with my friends and both of them are bisexual one girl one boy and they were just like talking about how they wish they could just hoe around without any consequences or without being on a leash to have someone pull them back, and i asked a question like what if one of them falls in love with you because you're giving them all of this attention and they just looked at me and said "that's their problem" and the reason why i was SO hurt by this is because i didn't understand AND i already had fallen deep in love with the girl and i just had a RUSH of feeling that every affection she gave me was just- fake. So now I'm muted crying to myself because i can't come to find myself to understand, even though it was so simple it just seemed IMPOSSIBLE for me to understand how a person gets the point to have these types of feelings. I can't really say every thought i had in that moment because everything is just- let's say im still shocked from what they both told me.

[@mixedmediaartgirl300]

my husband and i ditched the never ending menus when we started dating. it's downright disrespectful to keep that on your phone in a relationship

[@kimberlyel82]

Cishet sounds like someone has a boil on their head haha

[@mistypuffs]

That’s been a lot of the open relationships I’ve seen too. Usually a case of one guy wanting monogamy, but agreeing to an open relationship so as not to lose their partner :(

[@sherryk5381]

You can't force anyone to like you romantically whether you are straight, gay or trans. That is just a fact. In high school I told guy I liked him and he called me a birch. AND than he kept hassling me after that until I called him an asshole

[@helendancelot]

Sounds like he didn't know how to act...

[@jamestaylor5443]

Yeah sounds like he needs Morales& values..anybody told him that common sense is FREE!

[@dannygraves4997]

Good lord, that "trans gay man" (who couldn't even pass if we compared her to Brian Molko or Ville Valo) seemed just like a bratty tomboy with some EXTREME daddy issues... Seriously, she gets what is ostensibly a massive compliment on her "masculinity" (despite her pixie cut, make-up and what looks like a french manicure!), and that is somehow a RED FLAG? There is no rolleyes emoji big enough in the known universe to convey the "GIRL, PLEASE..." moment I'm having here. Also, is it just me, or did part of her story reek just a bit too much of the classic "gay/lesbian turned straight" trope? As you two aptly pointed out, most of this stuff on Tiktok feels like it's an empty performance; I've honestly seen better acting in The Room... And I feel like I am technically insulting Tommy Wiseau by comparing him to these people, because compared to some of them, his work is Oscar material 🤦‍♂

[@Mojojojo85757]

Love that you guys are talking about the mental health benefits of monogamy or at least commitment, especially for those in the gay community I feel like those love bonds are the deepest experience humans long for… it also goes hand in hand with the promiscuity culture in the gay community, which can be so detrimental to people’s self worth and mental health … I firmly believe in live and let live but it’s hard to ignore how these mindsets and behaviors are hurting people on a mental/spiritual level.

[@RedneckWarlock]

Ohhhhh the no commitment thing is facts. It's definitely getting worse with absolutely all young people. But I stopped being involved in the gay community about 5 or 6 years ago as I got sick of the wokeness, but I knew ZERO gay men who would commit. Even the married ones were constantly on grindr hooking up with randoms. Then as time went on it seems like all the young straight people started becoming like that too. I hope there's still some wholesome uhaul lesbians out there hahaha.

[@blah914]

yeah i dropped out ab 10 yrs ago fr the same reason. i. bi and now in a 9yr straigh relationship, and its just so much less drama.... just my expefience.

[@BeU127]

As a straight woman, this just sounds like the nature of most men, regardless of orientation. They want to have their cake and eat it too🤷🏾‍♀️

[@makeitrainnnn]

Yeah there’s still a lot of uhaul lesbians lol. I’ve never even met a poly lesbian before. Most of us are monogamous

[@CajunGators]

Depends how old you are honestly. Everyone in college is like that but there’s tons of gay men who want love. It’s gay men who keep spreading this narrative and it’s so destructive. Straight people struggle to date too. Keep your head up, your guy will come one day!

[@CajunGators]

@@makeitrainnnnThat’s because they “identify” as they them lol. I love my real L’s though, my sister is and is married. You’ll find a boo one day too homie! 😊

[@samc8623]

So nice to see other non "woke" LGBT voices online, I was starting to feel very alone in my views. And to go off what Matt was talking about with gay open relationships: I read this book "Velvet Rage" and I think honestly every gay men should read this. It goes into a lot of depth about gay learned behaviour from childhood that leads to a lot of problems with commitment and relationships and this unhealthy obsession with seeking out as many men as possible and much much more tbh. It's kind of interesting how it all sort of connects from psychological perspective.

[@MiguelitoD770]

Yeah I read some and what a joke lmao. Most of us gay men have fathers. Most straight men would do the same if women were like us physically/sexually. Most gay male friends I have including my partner are best buddies with their dad. Yes not everyone’s case but enough with this “gay boy struggle story” I grew up in Texas in the 90’s when teachers wouldn’t say anything about you being called all type of f words and whatnot. Didn’t bug me. This is so toxic and everything therapists pushed on me the second I said I discussed my male partner. We’re not all traumatized.

[@tula1433]

I’ve noticed my gay male friends all seem to be searching for this one mystical straight passing gay man who will be the “man” of the relationship. Lots of femmephobia in the gay world comes from femme guys! They drag the masc for masc types but have “straight acting tops only” in their Grindr profile bios! My femme gay friend is like this, very Jame Charles type, creepy even. Will turn down a gay dude because he’s slightly effeminate! I think porn has alot to do with it. Too many gay men form unrealistic expectations of partners from watching “straight man tops femme bottom” porn lol. Seems like lots of gay dudes want the same type of relationship that their straight female friends have, and will go through guy after guy, picking out flaws or femme attributes searching for a man who probably doesn’t exist. So sad! Fem for fem needs to be a thing! It’s okay to be two fabulous gay campy men in a relationship! Plus you can shop together! Lol! I’m a post op transsexual, and my boyfriend is literally always hunting and fishing! I wish I had a man that was into more things like me! You gays are lucky you get a bestie and a partner lol! ❤

[@tula1433]

My gay friend is very woke and always complaining about the patriarchy and “evil straight white men” yet I noticed in his dating life all that goes out the window and he wants a straight acting masculine gay man. Lmao 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@MiguelitoD770]

@@tula1433 YES! Thank you. It’s so weird. I’m 32 and don’t get all this insane fetishizing of “straight” men. My guy likes tons of stereotypically “gay” stuff but he’s from the country and a veteran and just looks serious but he’s not. The amount of bitter queens who say he’s “acting” or “internalizing” something is ridiculous. Most of us don’t walk around being highly obnoxious and going yassssssss every 5 minutes. Nor would I fix my mouth to be rude to other gay people just because.

[@poogissploogis]

I have this friend who for years was trying to convince me that I needed to give ENM a try, knowing full well I am in a committed relationship, and he always kinda treated me like I was being some old prude for not being interested. Well, he ended up getting his heart shattered into a million pieces because of his lifestyle. No one can convince me that ENM and open relationships are ever healthy, I have yet to see a SINGLE instance of it working out. Apparently most videos discussing ENM are all about shutting off the voice in your head telling you that it's wrong. I think it's a sign of a decaying society.

[@gelflingfay]

It is 💯 people not wanting to commit and/or afraid to be alone.

[@stephanielake8169]

:58 thanks for speaking up! I agree, open and non exclusive relationships are so toxic. I feel like a group or people are trying to convince people that it’s more liberating to be this way but our instincts say otherwise. And the outcome of these relationships say so otherwise too

[@crystalgeode2336]

My ex wanted us to be open in the same way as that first skit. If I ever talked to anyone else, she would leave me and get suicidal, but she could date around with whoever. I hated it. Glad I got out. She's engaged and on Tinder as a polyamorous/polysexual in an open relationship. Both of them are "poly" and both of them (ex and fiance) are miserable people.

[@stuff1784]

Ugh, sounds like they got what they deserved.

[@kbaccari88]

Matt is cool. He's got wisdom and pleasant demeanor

[@dariuszwalaszczyk3205]

And handsome he is too 😉

[@pohjanvanamo]

"I think you should date the people you want to date" Feels good to hear that said aloud👍

[@f4r4h24]

So glad to see fellow lgb/t people who disagree with the current BS going on, every single on of them is woke and believes in 859 genders nowadays haha. keep doing what you do marcus, you're bringing hope to our dying community

[@dawnak.3056]

I appreciate how honest you both were about your own community. My kid is into all this wokeness. She buys into ALL of it, every last ounce. She asked me if I'd ever date a guy who was bi-sexual to which I said "🤬 no!" She asked why and I told her because of pretty much everything you guys discussed. I have had enough gay guy friends to know that many of them sleep around with more guys than the most popular hooker on a busy NY street corner. Not only that but they often do it without using protection. I can do without all that BS, drama and pain. For a partner, I'm not into guys who like guys...period. She was furious and tried to accuse me of being homophobic and every other phobic in the book. I'm going to send her the link to your video so she can hear it from adults actually within that community, straight from the horse's mouth, if you will. I doubt she'll watch it because she, like others who refuse to see truths, doesn't want to see or believe anything that doesn't jibe with their delusions and the make believe fantasies they've created in their heads.

[@ShawsOwn]

The energy with you two critiquing people was perfect. I would watch you two talking forever. Though maybe then have some costumes & sets involved. Like wearing suits & sitting in a balcony.

[@helendancelot]

Bolox to suits

[@ShawsOwn]

@@helendancelot kzbin.info/www/bejne/sISnm2qYn6apaNU

[@indiosveritas]

Simple , honest traditional gay men are a gift to the world.

[@justinasvd]

What did I just see? Sanity? Sanity returning back to Earth?! Hallelujah! I couldn't agree more with both of you, guys, even if I tried. I bid you the best of luck. Don't stop spreading the word! Preach!

[@KurenaiTenka]

It reminds me of the 'trans man' who wrote a negative review of a gay bar for the lack of women's toilets (🤦‍♀), and they were complaining that the men there were 'perpetuating stereotypes about gay men and cruising culture'. Like. Those things are stereotypes because they're true. The sparkly BL boys from manga and fanfic were written by women. Men don't actually act like that. Stop expecting real people to conform to your fantasy.

[@Numbll]

Bro don’t involve BL 😭 it’s the western people and authors who’s doing this thing. We Asian don’t do this crap and it also help promote openness in our conservative country.

[@KurenaiTenka]

@@Numbll Oh no, I don't mean it's the fault of BL itself... I mean it's the fault of stupid Westerners who've read BL manga and m/m fanfic (written by women) and gone: 'ah yes, this is how men act. I must be a man'. Though I attended a talk about how this shit is creeping into Japan too... mainly due to pressure from Western activist groups.😭 Men tweeting about going into the women's onsen, and lesbian bars forced to close due to vandals accusing them of 'transphobia'...😢 ETA: New news to add: Japan just ruled that men without any physical transition can self-ID into women's spaces.

[@penultimania4295]

I mean for toilets specifically i kinda get it cause, while ive never been to a gay bar myself, i think a good number of straight women go there? Also there could be female staff.

[@shab_nak]

@@Numbll this!!!!!! i'm so tired of people blaming BL and i don't even read it. but yass it's the japanese women's fault, not your historically f-ed up western culture's fault

[@yourmother78910]

Agreed, most young ladies nowdays suddenly identifying themself as gay trans men bc how they really glorified BL, Yaoi, gay romance too hard they wanted to be part of them. Which is funny bc most of them also didn't put effort to be more 'guy' looking. They still act so typical young teenage girlies, make up, and dress. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong being a guy who loves these kind of stuff too. But the truth is, the real gay men love other real gay men. Spiritualy and biologicaly. These young women wanted to get validation from gay men so hard and being delusional that oneday, an attractive gay sugar daddy going to fuck them. I remember there was a news about a gay man get called transphobe bc he doesn't want to date trans men.

[@KatM272]

Agreed; I don’t like this open woke crap. It’s so true I’ve seen mostly that one person is the one settling and the other one is the one that wanted it

[@martyvirtue4051]

As a homosexual man, SICK AND TIRED of the rainbow gestapo these kind of discussion make me sick to my core. I hate every corner of what being ‘gay’ has become. It grosses me out BIG TIME!!

[@jacobishii6121]

Thank you for saying that...... Somebody that is truly trans doesn't want attention for being trans,it's the exact opposite. Keep speaking truth,The world needs more rational thinking people like yourself

[@cammies7365]

I dated a closeted trans person and it didn’t work out bc of them hiding it from me the whole time and dropping it on me in a breakup text. That experience truly turned me more conservative (not fully, I’m closer to libertarian).

[@anakaliaeastwood]

I would never want someone who is not attracted to me for whatever reason to try to force it to "think outside the box." No! Stay in the box, please. You're not doing me any favors.

[@saraiam3629]

I'm a middle aged straight female & I do not believe its an age or gay situation, people in general do not want to commit & are screwy about it. I recently tried to go out into the dating scene & its like expecting to go on a nice walk in the woods & you end up in the Amazon rain forest surrounded by snakes & flesh eating plants. I thought the fact that I'm a recovering addict might add to the issue but other singles, gay & straight, have assured me its just weird out there. I think I'll just watch TV & get a gold fish.

[@jamestaylor5443]

Well sorry to hear that your being treated that way, I am in the same boat .most people don't have Morales& values anymore..and no manners! 🤗 A hug hope your day goes better.

[@gypsylee333]

I'm in the same boat, middle aged straight woman recovering addict. My addiction definitely screwed up my relationships so once I got clean I got more horny and tried dating and even though I tell guys I'm looking for a relationship and they say they are too, it hasn't been working out. I've gone on so many dates lately too 😩 I've been seeing a guy who seems nice and into me but I'm so pessimistic now after all the failures. I think it's been like a month maybe 6 dates ish.

[@jamestaylor5443]

@@gypsylee333 yeah people don't believe in commitment and relationships anymore..it's sad.

[@FreePigeon]

@@gypsylee333 Similar boatish. Straight woman, tried dating. All guys say they want a relationship and family. About 6 months in they say they hate kids and never want any and it's like.. back to the dating pool then. Most people just seem to be out for a good time and not a lifetime.

[@gypsylee333]

@@FreePigeon ugh I know! I'm not even being super picky, it seems like the guys are pickier even... Or they just want sex I guess and are lying.

[@donnastokes-manning6175]

My sister is gay and she tends to be in long relationships instead of just going out to meet somebody to have sex. I am glad she is like that.

[@thecassandraeffectvsperilo6754]

*I found this open back and forth refreshing and delightful!!* I've had a very large group of LGBT friends for several decades now and we LuV having these conversations..AND it's NEVER an issue..HOWEVER the problem lies with any NEW LGBT friends, because you MUST walk on eggshells around them for fear of being called different forms of "phobic"..it's so disheartening that I've kinda set up this shield to any newbie's in that Community..and I hate that..I'm a Gen-X'er but I've found with younger generations they would prefer for people to be quiet, ONLY they can control the narrative and are automatically offended by ANY real, open conversations, EVEN WHEN you're being incredibly genuine and respectful..how do you tackle or overcome that sort of thing? 🤷

[@Amyym]

Adore Matt. You two work so good together doing commentary. He brings out/compliments your personality really well and he's very funny.

[@valan2736]

I wish I could truly find that one community of guys who are like me, the guys who want to settle down with ONE person and ONLY one, to make a commitment, to make that meaningful relationship, but it really does seem like that'll never happen because just too many guys are so terrified of being married or commited to one person.

[@Hexighost]

can see why the sane ones want to detach themselves from the extremists

[@sarahking9475]

KZbin unsubscribed me from your channel! Just resubcribed! Please keep speaking up! Your voice is so important!

[@MarchionessDarby62]

1:13 I’ll add one thing, as you said that it’s rare for gay couples to be exclusive. When I was growing up in the 70s and 80s, there was a gay couple that lived next door to my aunt and uncle, long before gay marriage. Anyway, they were exclusive and devoted to each other for decades. I think they’ve both passed by now, but they were a great example of commitment. But that was years ago.

[@glykera]

Well, we're talking about today and not the 1970s.

[@gslang3489]

If your relationships keep failing, you should choose different type people as future partners.. that's advice for everyone.. it's called overlooking or ignoring redflags.

[@robw2486]

Wonderful video and conversation. I love to see more collab's between you too.

[@mamasnightmare1]

I am single but i would not even date someone who has a open relationship. It is never truly open and that means they want something on Tuesday afternoon and i'll be home alone on saturday evening.

[@donnastokes-manning6175]

I miss the days when people talked about dating someone because they had chemistry

[@ithamarlowe6158]

I don't care if love is love If you're polyamorous If you believe in open relationships. I don't think anyone wants the person they like to divide their attention with like 10 other men and come back to you when it's convenient. Romance is between two people, not a whole village.

[@andreeabrutaru4480]

Very cool colab! Please part 2

[@coloxrme]

Damn, now I actually feel happy about being mutually exclusive with my boyfriend.

[@kimberlyel82]

When I was in my 20s dating apps were just getting going and I remember my friends and I thinking it was weird that u should go out and talk to ppl and find someone actually doing the things ur out doing

[@plumbbobslim9313]

I have to say that this was a refreshing and enjoyable conversation/critique to listen in on.

[@charlespittsjr604]

I'm impressed with your content . Yall remind me of some of the cool 80s gay people my cousin was and used to hang out with. Me and my girlfriend at the time would go party with him and his boyfriend and we had a dancing blast . As a straight dude you find very few good dance clubs that actually have people dancing. It ends up like prom with a bunch of girls dancing and dudes watching. So me and her would go with him and we had a blast and i dont think the LGBTQ community was really political like alot are now and they were alot more laid back . Idk it just seems like a different vibe now. All young people are angry all the time and trying to out woke each other. But glad i stumbled across your channel.

[@kimberlyel82]

Think outside of the box but I’m crawling back in 😂😂😂😂 oh read between the lines

[@trublgrl]

I think that lady who talked about dating a trans person was being honest. I'm a trans woman and I've had amazing relationships with women all my life. Some of these turned romantic, some of my friends wanted it to turn romantic, but I knew better, and that's kind of normal. Ultimately, I'm not what a woman _really_ wants, straight or lesbian. I don't have the masculine energy a straight woman needs, I don't have the anatomy a lesbian needs. You can, actually be attracted to someone and not be compatible, it literally happens every day.

[@I_Am_NiiTA]

Thank you for having sense 😭

[@lisalilu5275]

It's called FOMO Monogamy is the best way to go. Make your partner happy and build the relationship. The same goes for this straight woman looking for a straight man. Moi ❤

[@ILoveLamp_1995]

Please do another video with Matt in the future, he's a blast!

[@andrewfoster4359]

so true about gay open relationships and usually its the one who wants the commitment from their partner but wants to be able to shag around themselves and forced the other into that so they could still be 'together'

[@ellaes6602]

I'm hetero. But i just like the logical conversations and like your mentality. I support this channel ❤

[@caliconservative20]

Great convo once again. I keep thinking I will suddenly understand the myriad nuances if I tune in enough but tbh...this lifelong female is still confused af

[@geniusandabsent-minded1390]

It was so pleasant to listen to you, guys! Thank you! Great points and good sense of humor

[@ditta7865]

I have seen this happen with my gay friends repeatedly. There is one that does not want the open love life and they get mad at straight married people because I see them wanting that relationship. They feel that they must be this way because they are gay which I have told them many times you can be whatever gay you want to be, but the gay community will judge him, and we know they do judge gays that want a normal relationship. So, the oldest gay couple I know do not have many gay friends, but a lot of lesbian friends. They met in the 70’s and are not and an open couple happy too. They have said that other gay men can get very mad and catty for being how they want, but they ignore or put them down because both do not stand for shit because of what they had to go through in the past. The other ones are so happy to be open and love going around f-ing everyone, but I have seen the little love-struck boys who hang off them getting their feelings hurt because you can see they are the normal relationship, no cheating kind of person and they are too scared of being that gay because it is hard to be that gay. I feel as a person looking in at the gay community (Talking about the gay part only. Not the other side of the community.) there needs to be more visibility of the gay relationship that is like the straight people style. That is also seen as a big problem to gay guys. Being seen as straight it has always been around and seen in a bad light. Only now they are using it toward straight people for no reason other than you are in pain.

[@mikescollard6499]

I am a heterosexual male and love being with heterosexual women that I find attractive. My dating pool is huge. But what narrows it somewhat is who they are as a person. It's great to have options in both ways, attraction and personality. Cis isn't so bad. Gays and and Lesbians are Cis. Respect.

[@jay_raccon3562]

2:31 and that one person sitting at home is me 😂😂😂😢

[@lins_z2]

Hope you’re enjoying your trip in the US if you’re still there! Love the collabs that have been happening irl

[@jonwwillis]

Is the Transman in the video really just a Tomboy? I mean she got mad that the gay guy thought she was more masculine.

[@nashekabryan]

Gay transmen ? These people really getting on my last nerves! Lord!

[@8989youu]

Wow, thank you so much for posting these videos. Regardless if you're gay or not, open relationships cause chaos and instability as it amplifies insecurities that are deeply seeded into us. Souls are made in pairs, find yours!

[@ty12t2]

Wow, these guys could get canceled for this! Having intelligence is dangerous!

[@dianaallwood5884]

I'm 61 and have gay & lesbian friends who have been in committed relationships for many years & are very happy! Maybe it's just the good old days and times have just changed for the worst! Confusing. Kinda think lots of naval gazing these days & too many people are so self absorbed. I worry so much for young people & the direction of society. Life is challenging & complicated but we all have one shot at it! I'm trying to be nice & understanding but ...get over yourself & get on with it. Stop trying to make yourself relevant via Tik Tok & other social media. Hell just live a human life & get out there, FFS stop whingeing

[@Draek25]

I've only been watching for a short time, and have really been proud of your message in many ways. You are so important to bringing in a voice to help us make our minds about the issues. I wanna call things out straight away because I want to continue watching and hearing your message. I felt a bit in this video that there was a lot of needless cuts and judgements towards individuals. Like I agree with your ultimate judgment of what is happening, but making fun of them and laughing doesn't sound like it's consistent with your overall great message. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for reading. And thank you for your perspective online and a push back. I'm a gay man who doesn't like the way people treat each other in general. A compassionate voice even in the most ridiculous of situations, we are the true LGBT movement and we do want to actually show and receive love (not the fake statement of today)

[@ClarkyWarky]

Im a 34 year old gay man. In my teens and early 20's i slept around; ALOT. 😅 met someone and we were exclusive. Moved in together, got a dog and we were living the ideal happy gay life. About 8 years in we started getting distant. We tried the open relationship thing which is what ultimately ended it. We should have went to couples therapy or at least tried to fix things before introducing a 3rd. Now i know for a fact open relationships are not something im into. Idc who you are or waht you say. "Open relationships" are just an excuse to cheat. It also goes agasint the whole idea of having a relationship with ONE human. 🙄

[@Littlekitten_]

You two are the gay best friends i wish i had ❤

[@femboyrules7594]

Is Marcus gay of straight

[@Littlekitten_]

@@femboyrules7594 he is gay.. but he says technically he is “straight” because he was born female … :) I just say he’s gay because he presents as male and dates gay men

[@Scar-jg4bn]

It's so nice to see more advocates for monogamy.