Why the OVERSHADOWED Darth Malak was just as Powerful as Revan

[@Ganonsmork]

Malak: Reads title and thumbnail. Malak:*Jaw literally drops*

[@geetslys]

Jaw literally falls off

[@Ganonsmork]

Ok.... Drops, to the ground.

[@warrengouldthorpe5091]

So jaw dropping

[@ELIAB424]

😂😂

[@nunouno001]

It’s mainly the gameplay that let Malak down, by the end of KOTOR, you’re so overpowered that no one could beat you.

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

Man I’m going through KotOR as we speak and o agree. At least the comics gave us some back story

[@lifelessperson1993]

Not if you’ve a newbie. My first play through as a sentinel and second play through as a consular we’re both somehow ill equipped to kill Malak. But looking back it’s satisfying in away despite the gruelling gameplay.

[@Glitch_in_the_Matrix]

Can't wait for Revan to be cast as Brie Larson by Disney in Star Wars: The High Republic

[@virtualdentity2685]

@@Glitch_in_the_Matrix okay but dommy mommy revan

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

@@Glitch_in_the_Matrix sad part is I can actually see that happening. Let’s woke Revan by making him a her and she still falls for Bastila who is now black.

[@Nikephorus]

Malak knew he couldn't beat Revan 1 v 1 so he tried to kill him by firing on his flag ships bridge. That's all I need to know.

[@thatrandomguy5490]

And Malak lost his jaw the one other time he tried to challenge revan too lol

[@eds1942]

Not only that, but he bugged out on the Leviathan and lost on Star Forge after it came down to skill of arms.

[@coinkidink9997]

He was an joke. What did he accomplish after taking over the Sith? He couldn't compete with Revan no matter what, always 10 steps behind him in every aspect.

[@morganpryde9125]

@@coinkidink9997 precisely. Idk why he’s trying to argue that Malak was Revans equal. He obviously wasnt. Revan handed his ass to him repeatedly, even in a weakened state. Not to mention that most of the video is just retelling the lore we already know. And the rest of it is either BS or is already explained

[@LordVader.66]

Darth Traya never gushed over Malak's power.

[@indianajones4321]

Malgus and Malak both were hit in the mouth, Palps had death stick scars, Vader was burnt to a crisp… and Kylo Ren’s bandage looked like a bicycle ran over his face

[@jonathanmora8208]

Kylo who?

[@tweso1499]

@@jonathanmora8208 here we go with the feigned ignorance 🙄

[@kevin8639]

@@jonathanmora8208 kylo ren and stimpy

[@lajtosanna2671]

@@tweso1499 Here we go with the unnecessary offended comments from a sequel fan.

[@rebeldropper8933]

@@lajtosanna2671 😂 hahaha..i love how sensitive sequel fans are.boohoooo 😭😭😭

[@EdaugEthanbYT]

Unlike Revan Malak didn’t choose the Dark Side. He chose Bastila Shan

[@geetslys]

Hahahah you are not wrong

[@lucienfury2606]

So did I

[@EdaugEthanbYT]

@@lucienfury2606 Lol!

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

Admiral saul: "taris is defenseless against our assault lord malak they are offering no resistance the city is in ruins. Darth malak: "resume the bombardment commander wipe this pathetic planet from the face of the galaxy." My favorite quote from malak. Edited Thanks for all the likes.

[@rebeldropper8933]

Malak was awesome the bombardment of Taris was painful to watch..

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

@@rebeldropper8933 agreed

[@Viperfish9000]

Sidious: I have the greatest military force the galaxy has ever seen... Revan: I one of the most powerful and loved sith by fans Darth Vader: I am the original Nihlus: Nom nom

[@geetslys]

basically sums it up.

[@morganpryde9125]

Malak: I lost every time I fought Revan. Reeeeee

[@Omnipulsar]

Rakata:were the reason any of you idiots have the toys you do

[@rickdeckard1075]

star wars, as translated by fucking redditors

[@r2020E]

@@morganpryde9125 sounds like... Malak has a skill issue!

[@Karlos1234ify]

Old Republic & Jedi Council: Do go out & fight! Revan: R E E E E E E! *Many years later* Jedi Council: Follow the code & you’re NOT on the council! Anakin: R E E E E E! Palpatine: I love democracy. 😀

[@Fleechin]

The hardest part of KOTOR's plot twist for me to believe was that my unskilled shebs could have been more powerful than Malak once

[@dkdc7938]

"His first attempt on Revan's life cost him his lower jaw...". "...He was Revan's equal in lightsaber combat-" ehhhhhhh

[@lajtosanna2671]

I'm still sitting here and trying to figure out how much copium did he inhale to think that Malak was Revan's equal in any way, when the only time he "beat" him, he shoot at him with a star destroyer's cannon while he was busy fighting multiple jedi.

[@kylescoolclips]

@@lajtosanna2671 Same

[@Whatevs13]

This guy is infamous for his clickbait titles. He’s the worst kind of KZbinr there is.

[@WaddelingProductions]

The writer Drew Karpinshin himself stated that Malak was the better duelist

[@kylescoolclips]

@@WaddelingProductions How? He lost to revan twice?

[@johndrum9444]

As you pointed out, Revan and Malak fought together twice. Both times Malak lost, first his jaw, then his life. Malak only THOUGHT he had beaten Revan, and that was only after Malak engaged a weakened Revan. Don't the facts presented in your video disprove its title and claim? I will say, though, Malak did embody the description of an apprenticeship in the Rule of two. He did envy and covet the power Revan had (only more proof that Revan was actually the more powerful).

[@Christian-el2bz]

Clickbait. All hail Lord Revan!

[@Julian-pw5mv]

Not really. At best its evidence against the claim. If they were equal in power then a fight would be 50/50. The odds of revan winning a 1v1 with 50/50 odds twice are 25% which isn't that unlikely.

[@amysargent4237]

3:05 Geetsly: Revan was a tactical genius the galaxy had never seen before. Me: So, can Revan stand up against Thrawn in a Space Battle, then?

[@seank.2589]

I'd love to see a video on this.👍

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

Possible

[@pranc236]

Ohhh. Now thats interesting!! We need this in our life geetsly! 😊

[@Plastikdoom]

I’d say if he (Revan) lost, he’d sure as hell give him a run for his money, better than anyone else ever did. My reply, can Thrawn beat Revan in ground combat. Gotta remember, Revan led both space and ground combat, literally from the front in both cases, in two wars. Killing the enemy leaders at times in single combat. Pretty sure Thrawn is utterly fucked if it comes to ground, and fighting Revan directly, ehh, not sure, that’s a certainty. Both great characters, in just space combat, like fleets, I’d say Thrawn has a slight edge. Anything ground, including both at the front, Revan slaughters him every single time, personally and militarily. Which says a ton, of his skill, he didn’t just do one, he did both, and the best overall fighter of his time, second only to vitiate in single combat, though that isn’t even a fair assessment, as he had to fight a ton of crap to get to vitiate first. Your also forgetting he came long before Thrawn, so for the time he was better, when scaled for the time and tech. Give them both completely equivalent ships of the same time period, and equal numbers, Revan would win probably 50/50 I’m willing to bet.

[@Plastikdoom]

Also, real question, Revan vs Thrawn, single combat, in a room, even a big one, any weapon but explosives, who wins? Lol. Seriously though, in a war? Revan would win

[@jamiewalsh3349]

Revan: OK let's use the Star Forge to build a navy but no more afterwards. Years Later Malak: Kick the Star Forge into overdrive people!

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

Revan: I chose the dark side for a good cause. Malak: I just want to watch the galaxy burn.

[@andreaskaniclides5167]

Revan choose the dark because he knew that the light alone could not truly defeat the dark and only through balance of power(Dark) and control(Light) could he beat back the darkness, something that almost every other jedi could not and did not use to their advantage

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

@@andreaskaniclides5167 I know, I was just trying to be funny.

[@DarkKing009]

What's the difference

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

@@DarkKing009 Simple, one uses the dark side to fight a threat, while the other uses the dark side for just destruction.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

Glad to see darth malak get more recognition.

[@QA-ut7dd]

I just played KOTOR for the first time a few months ago, and my what a wonderful game it is. I've always been familiar with its role in the timeline and such, but experiencing the events in the way their were meant to be experienced is something else entirely. It's stories like that why the Legends continuity is so gripping and wonderful. It's a shame we don't get more of it anymore...

[@joshp2542]

Did you fully talk to all of the companions? Jolee's story about his wife is pretty important to the light side ending with Bastilla in my opinion. Are you playing the second kotor? That ones story is just so deep and awesome. To this day its one of my favorite story arcs in a video game.

[@Plastikdoom]

Well clearly not, how do you think he lost his jaw, to revan, in a 1 v 1. He never beat him, he shot his ship, as he was fighting multiple Jedi…and that only knocked him out…so yeah. That’s not more powerful, especially when talking about fighting and leadership abilities….sorry but he’s not as powerful. He’s lesser in every way, including falling to the dark side, vs revan choosing and using it. Not even vitiate could fully break and turn him after all that time…

[@jonathanmora8208]

He lost to revan twice isnt it?

[@Plastikdoom]

@@jonathanmora8208 yeah, and the second time he died, haha. So definitely not more powerful.

[@jonathanmora8208]

@@Plastikdoom Yep

[@Kikori_Fanri]

While I agree with you, revan would have died without the intervention of bastila. She, following the Jedi code, kept him alive using the force after Malak shot at his ship.

[@StriderBaron]

@@jonathanmora8208 Worse! He was too cowardly to take Revan on AND still failed to kill him AND failed to turn his woman against him AND failed to defeat him. The problem with individuals like Malak (that exist in real life as well) is that they're horrid in the perception department. They obsess over small things like stature, relative power, etc. The Sith Emperor would have been able to defeat him with a sneeze. It took TWO Armies to take down Revan (whose Body had gone insane and separated from his Spirit) including one of his own Jedi descendants (from him and Bastilla) working along the Sith to stop him from Resurrecting the Sith Emperor to kill him (and the dumbasses ALL failed because they killed him...right after he resurrected Vitiate. Whoops). I'd argue he could take on Anakin.

[@IftiAlam1999]

A well-made film based on these two Sith Lords would be great. Pretty much like partners turning into rivals but on a galactic scale

[@zexalbrony4799]

Palpatine: A threat beyond the galaxy is coming. Luckily, I've taken over completely and reshaped the Republic into an Empire with the power to confront it. Vader: I want to be in charge of all that power. Palpatine: No. Revan: Malek, they stole or plan and our stich. Malek: The bastards. lol.

[@93earthbound]

Revan: the brains. Malak: the brawn. Deferent, but ultimately equal.

[@CommandoCody68plus1]

When they were jedi yes, but as time went on the gap between Malak and Revan grew since Malak feel to the dark side while Revan just chose it. This is proven by the fact that Revan was able to beat Malak twice despite Malak being the overall better duelist (the writer himself said malak was a better duelist). Malak was angry and reckless while Revan was able to stay calm and calculated during their engagements. Also to give a counterpoint to many people's arguments no Malak isn't weak because your op build could one shot him. The boss fight just happens to be easy like every other boss fight in the kotor games. In reality I'm guessing it was actually Revans hardest battle up to that point, the games just happens to have easy bosses in general. My overall point is yes at one point Malak and Revan were equals but Malak's fall to the dark side while making him more powerful, only served to make him weaker than he could've been. Also don't judge power levels by in game interactions especially when it comes to Kotor games. Tell me, since Kratos has a problem opening a box would you say he's weaker than the box? I hope no, game developers implement things like that so the game can still be fun, and in a heavily story based game like Kotor things like difficulty get sacrificed in favor of better story. After all, if Malak was frustratingly difficult many people would quit before they could finish the game. Thanks to whoever reads this and have a great day/night

[@ghostttriddder]

hi, with the release of fallen order (dark souls style starwars) Malak Difficulty can be raised to lorewise, if there is dark souls type of KOTOR game.

[@SurvivedTenHag]

he didnt choose vitiate turned him to the dark side

[@galaxy-eyesgarchomp9478]

Now this is a video I have been waiting for you to do for a long while. Darth Malak deserves more respect, even if he is condemned to be in Revan's shadow.

[@mirakluaragnos2863]

I have played Star Wars Knights of the old Republic, and Malak was very much inspired by the Darth Vader like Sith. Big, imposing, brutal and absolute merciless. He didn't play with his enemies, or wasted time to decieve them. He went out to destroy. Revan from the little we know, he was a thinker whos goal was behind a puzzel door, while Malak just brought a sledge hammer toget further. But Malak was also a show of Revan's failure. Revan was a genius, no one can deny that, but his plan on corrupting the Jedi so that they are stronger against the Sith... well Malak was a proof of the weakpoint of that entire plan and well we all know how that ended. The more important question might be, was Revan too restrained to fall to the Dark Side to kill Malak, was he too arrogant to think that Malak could ever best him, or was there still trust and friendship towards someone who ceased to exist the more Malak had gone into the Dark Side? Both are awesome characters and show the archetypes of the Sith established by the original trilogy. The Manipulator and the Enforcer. But still are their own original Characters. the story of KotoR is amazing

[@Nuetral768]

The reason I love these videos is because I played couture one years and years ago but I never realized how much story actually was there. Because of the fragmented nature of the way the narrative is delivered in the couture games it can sometimes be very difficult to piece everything together. Videos like this really help bring the storyline together in a way that is easier to follow and understand, and the couture games really did have a lot of really awesome lore. :)

[@spadesandshades-pc9tx]

I've always enjoyed Malak kinda telling that in revans final moments he thinks about and quotes his greatest and oldest friends last words really makes me wonder if that the biggest regret that he had was that he couldn't save him hence Malak name as angel 😔

[@rolay504]

If you listen to go-to droid in kotor 2 it Speaks of how revan let much of the military infrastructure remain intact during his conquests. Meaning that he was again was just using the star forge as a tool to create his sith but then he would probably destroy it and use the intact industries to fuel his new empire.

[@mattroxursoul]

No. I clearly remember One shotting Malak before dumb ass Bastila blocked me from the room on that ship. Then on Star Forge later it was honestly just kind of sad. His biggest success to my mind is that he became the prototype Meatbag.

[@tenebrous-merciless.3962]

Malak may have had advantages over Revan but the Force chose Revan. Malak should’ve understood that when he lost his jaw.

[@SpectreStatus]

The force doesn't like stupid.

[@KingOfLesbia]

Malak is quite strong in fact he killed Revan in countless Playthroguhs its just the one where revan wins that gets the recognition

[@ATalesTruth-]

That maybe a you thing

[@muchanadziko6378]

This video should've been titled "Why Malak was overshadowed by Revan (even though they were just as powerful)" or something. The current title doesn't have anything to do with the video

[@personatthebay]

Lol it is

[@jonnygraham2372]

It was to secure views. Everyone loves an opinion hook. Increases engagement for the algorithm. 😉🤌

[@muchanadziko6378]

@@personatthebay you mean "it does"?

[@Than-ql9wh]

Malak literally took the title of The Sith Lord by using a flagship to take down Revan. He never won a single duel against Revan, not even the second time after he re-learned the ways of The Jedi again. Malak is way less powerful than Revan, and that's a fact.

[@elijah3320]

Nope. He loses in a 1v1 but would win in other ways

[@arpadszabo661]

@@elijah3320 "other ways", yeah, he can win when he shoots at a distracted Revan with a star destroyer cannon, great achievement. He couldn't even beat Revan in a fight while the Star Forge dark side powers amped him and nonstop healed himself with the life force of fallen jedi. He is just vastly inferior.

[@pieservesserver9030]

The Rancor in Taris Sewers is the most powerful.

[@cwadh2143]

This is like a Yoda vs Sidious scenario where Yoda is more refined in his saber, but Darth Sidious had a Force Advantage.

[@Carlodontosaurus]

"Malak was more charismatic than Revan" Ohhh that's why he cut off his jaw So he would look hotter... It did work

[@benderthepirate]

Malak was the better swordsman, Revan was the better Force user. Edit: This said said by Drew Karpyshyn himself, the head writer for Kotor.

[@austinslaughter319]

Agreed

[@Plastikdoom]

Yet he lost his jaw to Revan, who didn’t kill him, to make a point by taking his jaw, with his lightsaber? Yeah that’s not better, that’s worse, the second go around, in a fight, with light sabers, Revan killed him…so yeah, not better in any sense of the word, actually worse, lost twice to Revan, once losing a body part, then his life.

[@arpadszabo661]

Nice headcanon, but Malak lost to Revan in two sword fight. Lost his Jaw during the first one and died during the second fight. Since the light side ending is the "canon", that means Revan nonstop beat up Malak while he restored himself multiple times by using the life force of the half dead Jedi on the Star Forge... So, no, Malak was just inferior in every way possible. Which doesn't mean he is weak, but he can't be scaled to Revan's level, because he is kinda broken.

[@sudanabdur-rahman6188]

But Drew isn't the best source. The writer in Kotor II is who really fleshed out Darth Revan. Drew didn't fleshed him out at all in Kotor I due to leaving room for the player. Then in the book he takes all agency away from Revan.

[@benderthepirate]

@@sudanabdur-rahman6188 you mean Chris Avellone. Haven’t played Kotor 2 yet, but I know the lore.

[@artemisjones2121]

The sith respect power, there's a reason Malak was the apprentice and Revan was the master. There's also a reason why Malak is missing the lower half of his face. So no...he wasn't just as powerful.

[@revanius2213]

Darth Revan and Darth Malak, two of the most powerful Sith that were ever seen, each one easily more powerful than a Dark Council Member or most of the Rule of Two Sith. Had the Dark Side not turned Malak against Revan the two would have ended up conquering the Republic and the Jedi and who knows how their Empire would have faced against Vitiate's.

[@Plastikdoom]

They woulda won, both together, Malala a close second to Revan, and the star forge, plus the whole former republic backing them? Vitiate woulda stood no chance against that, couldn’t have won logistically, let alone man power, and also still woulda had meetra, or got her back most likely even if she left still.

[@vanessalindsay2305]

Disney needs to make a show about Revan.

[@geetslys]

I would love to see that

[@adfdasdfadfadsfareae]

Someone. Maybe not Disney.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

With Malak

[@tweso1499]

@@adfdasdfadfadsfareae absolutely. Wanna know by who? *LUCASFILM*

[@harrisonberkhout1005]

@@adfdasdfadfadsfareae only if Filoni has a key role in it

[@Avarice666]

Revan's brilliance will never be matched which is why he is regarded the way he is. He always knew what to use and how much. While others were playing checkers he already had you in check mate.

[@georgefoley9793]

I played KOTOR I & II when they were 1st released. Still my most favorite SW games of all time.

[@lerneanlion]

I think the reason why Darth Malak is largely unheard of by the fans is because of what he wanted to do with the galaxy. He just wanted to the destruction of the galaxy merely for the sake of destruction and has no conviction like whatsoever. The Sith Empire of his has no reason to exist at all, let alone ruling the galaxy or stopping the other groups of Sith. In other words, Darth Malak has no conviction in what he is doing but simply letting jealousy gets the best of him while his Sith Empire is existing for no reason but simply to showoff his power as its ruler.

[@AzathothXy]

Revan routinely battled the best his enemies had to offer. Yusanis, Mandalore, Malak. All fell to his power.

[@KairuinKorea]

The video unreal cinema made about revan and malak reignited my revan fanboyiness. Pure perfection. anyone who enjoyed this needs to go see it lol.

[@bigrex5075]

Riightt and his jaw just randomly fell off one day lol

[@goldeagle6431]

These two are toddlers compared to the Senate.

[@scottmcmichael319]

Revan would have crushed sidious

[@geetslys]

Now that would be an interesting battle

[@scottmcmichael319]

@@geetslys me personally id love to see a darth malgus vs darth marr, I see malgus as a little more a killing machine, and marr is much more a precise and sharp blade

[@jonathanmora8208]

@@scottmcmichael319 but ravan cant beat darth jar jar hehehehe

[@stargatecommand714]

@@scottmcmichael319 lmao no

[@SpaceMonkeyBoi]

Who else thought it was a fancy helmet when they first saw malak?

[@AngelDust6969]

I feel like the reason Malak gets overshadowed by Revan is because, between them, Revan survived the events of the Battle of the Star Forge aaand was kept alive for over three hundred years by Vitiate. While Malak died along with the Star Forge. While Malak's actions impacted the Galaxy, he ultimately was just a footnote for the True Sith Empire, having merely been a pawn needed to weaken the Republic and having only slightly succeeded.

[@eds1942]

Malak is overshadowed by Revan for good reason. Revan’s charisma, leadership and strategic mind, defeated the Mandalorians, probably would’ve brought the Republic to its knees, and he came out on top against Malak on more than one occasion. Malak just betrayed Revan while he was distracted by having to fight a team of Jedi and then took over Revan’s forces and continued the war without much of a clear strategy.

[@seank.2589]

"I ain't never seen two pretty best friends."

[@Ganonsmork]

12:15 I hear a doggo in the background.

[@danielvitale7788]

I feel like gameplay hurt both malak and nihilus in kotor 2, by the time you meet them, youve leveled up quite a bit.

[@StraightOtohGunga]

A Jedi that turns to the Darkside and then returns to the light? Not my Reven lol

[@AabraCadabraa-iz4rr]

This is really relaxing. Its like nice ambient white noise to sleep too :}

[@amanzeihedioha]

He may have been powerful but Zayne was more charming😏

[@xinimaru7200]

If you ask me, Revan and Malak were equals, but had different styles of combat. Malak was a great sith warrior, he just lacked the patience Revan had, or his end goal for that matter. Losing his jaw to Revan more or less made him come to the conclusion that he could not risk anything with Revan, hence his plan to try and kill all of his enemies in one fell swoop by attacking Revan's Interdictor. But I feel his troubles didn't end there. We do not see it in game, but I suspect many doubted that Malak had beaten Revan in single combat, hence his obsession with Revan in the later part of the game. By killing the reformed Revan, no one would ever question his authority again. Malak worked so hard, only for his chance of glory, and the Star Forge blew up in his face.

[@darklonewolf_0311]

“And in the end… as the darkness takes me. I am nothing…”

[@DarkKing009]

He was there robin to Raven's batman. But the dark side cannot allow.True partnership to last

[@AaronDarkus]

Revan may have overpassed Malak at the end, and I disagree that he was almost his total equal, still, Malak is not a Dark Lord to be underestimated.

[@warrengouldthorpe5091]

Who would win in a war against each other, Revan or Thrawn, both having the same military numbers and assets

[@ATalesTruth-]

It all depends on circumstances either one could win if the conditions were equal,

[@rsxmaster]

Based on feats, I'd say Thrawn. He was once able to defeat a whole Republic fleet with just 3 ships.

[@Dan-ew9sf]

In the revan book both he and malek fell to the dark side by the will of the sith emperor and sent back as spys, but their will was stronger then he thought and when they got back they forgot about the emperor and thought they were sith by thier own choice, when revan had his mind wiped the corrupted influence was broken and thats why he was brought back to the light side

[@c05ta21]

Malak was able too run the Starforge at 300% capacity... that is no small feat.

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

Malakar: The Last Sithbender

[@ronjon7942]

So where within these sequences of events were Revan and Malak corrupted to The Dark Side by Vitiate? And then where were they when they were able to shrug off that Dark Side influence? And finally, when and where when Revan and Malak (or just Revan) made the conscious decision to turn to The Dark Side? Something about their paths to The Dark Side doesn’t feel like it adds up. Did the story of Revan change somehow?

[@brokenbridge6316]

Yes I did play that game. And really enjoyed it.

[@matluc_productions4031]

I see it this way: Revan was just as powerful a duelist as he was a force wielder. He just preferred using more of the force to defeat his adversaries than his lightsaber. Much like Palpatine other Sith Lords.

[@Dissection39]

I really liked Malek, but I believe he could have been way, way more awesome if they just didn't beat around the bush and exaggerated what he already was; a Darth Vader ripoff. He's got the physical edge, the brutality, even the voice box. He was cool and all, but it was obvious they were trying to make him like Vader, but the thing is they made him a less interesting character because of it. Give him some dark armour, give him more climactic appearances in Kotor and he would've been a better antagonist. It would've been amazing to bring him back as a cyborg Dark Lord in TSL sequel along with the Sith Triumvirate.

[@bagthebird7610]

whos the artist behind the thicc malak at 11:25

[@StriderBaron]

...your Hot-Takes are getting pretty bad dude. Malak? As powerful as Christ Figure Revanchist? His name is literally a play on Revenant. English is my second language and yet I seem to understand the colloquial meaning as well as the lore. Side note, your fanboys are rabid. They harass anyone who disagrees with your videos, but that's probably because they hope you'll notice them (so they can then infect your Discord or whatever). You make some good videos but once in a while, you have stuff like this. Has some cool stuff in it but is just...farcical.

[@elijah3320]

True in a way but some of the points are correct and if you add them up he is technically just as powerful. Even though he would lose in a 1v1 he is more powerful in other ways.

[@StriderBaron]

@@elijah3320 Hmm...I guess that *could* be correct given the right circumstances but then neither of them would be in full power (IE yea, he'd probably kick the shit out of Revan while he's been mind-wiped/no longer has his force powers/etc. and has to deal with an army of blood thirsty Sith Acolytes, etc.). And yea, that's the only reason I keep watching this guy's videos. He's got a lot of interesting points and cool videos, but once in a while he makes the inevitable Click-Bait that I see on almost every channel.

[@morganpryde9125]

Way too much clickbait man. Ignoring the fact that most of the video is just moronic rambling about their backstory and his actual argument is absolute garbage at best, the points he brings up to defend it have all been explained or are obvious. Malak definitely is NOT more powerful than Revan, considering he fought him twice and lost horribly both times. He tried killing him with turbo lasers, unsuccessfully, might I add. He was basically Revan’s bitch the entire time. The claim that Malak was more charismatic than Revan is ridiculous too. I don’t see hordes of people flocking to Malak like they did Revan. Revan commanded people through sheer leadership abilities and personality.

[@StriderBaron]

@@morganpryde9125 I'm actually with you on this. I'm generally too nice to say these things (unless it's among friends, etc.). The only way Malak could have killed Revan was if he had gone full ham at the VERY VERY beginning (IE when Bastilla tries to sacrifice herself, etc.). It'd only be technically correct in that sense. Other than that, Malak is many leagues below Revan (he himself admits it. He was only after Revan's title just for an Ego boost. He didn't truly understand the responsibility or weight that was on Revan's shoulder the moment he learned for the true Sith Empire). I'd argue that the Galaxy would have been a lot better had Revan gotten what he wanted. As for Geetsly...again. With you on that. I was just watching a similar channel talk about Count Dooku and it was some non-Nerd going off of Wikipedia (didn't even know Dooku's real name. To quote this other KZbinr, "When Dooku left the Jedi Council, he became a Sith lord named Count Dooku"). I'm like..."what". I'm about to hit my early 30's. I've given up. Just gonna consume media here and there and hope the stuff I like doesn't dumb down.

[@sithazzazzin7329]

I'm replaying it right now. Kotor 1 always had the stronger story, and Malek always was a challenging boss and totally unappreciated. Can't wait for the remake.

[@mattroxursoul]

What do you mean challenging? He is like a complete pushover by the time you face him.

[@eds1942]

He was only really a challenge in the first half the fight on the Star Forge, where his health and power kept going back to max until you figured out why and how to stop that.

[@sithazzazzin7329]

@@mattroxursoul yeah now he is a pushover. When I first played it on OG Xbox 20 years ago, and before understanding alot of the mechanics of the game, he was tough. I just brute forced my way through with a million health packs.

[@sithazzazzin7329]

@@eds1942 True. Also for me, alot of people I know, this was my first rpg. So I didn't understand all the mechanics involved and I sure as heck didn't know about builds 20 years ago. I'll probably stomp him now when I reach him.

[@coinkidink9997]

Malak was an coward, he shot at the bridge of His Masters ship hoping to take him out because he knew he couldn't win 1 on 1 or kill him any other way. He then comes face to face with him on Karath's Flagship because he knows Revan is nowhere near his original self & so is willing to toy with him before Bastilla sacrifices herself. Even in their last duel, he had the odds stacked highly in his favour, enhanced by the dark energies of the forge & consuming the life-force of injured Jedi. Despite all of that he still failed fo defeat Revan. The ultimate failure & nowhere near Revan in any attribute whatsoever.

[@DeathScepter]

he is not stupid

[@rsxmaster]

So what you're essentially saying is just because Revan didn't know who he once was means that he was too weak, when obviously Revan at that point was stronger than he was a Sith Lord. And don't act like Malak got one-shot in the Star Forge. Revan had the plot armor, and Video Games can't show how desperate or close the fight actually was.

[@Fatherofheroesandheroines]

Malai couldn't beat Revan. It just cuts me that you might think that ..kinda like Malaks jaw.

[@jakebocskovits7426]

“Could Malalk Beat Revan in a 1v-.“. YES HE CAN, YES. HE. CAN. Darth Menacing Massive Bicep Pectorals over here. One of the hardest bosses I’ve had to fight as a kid, he’s still hard after another play through 10 years later. I’d be doomed if Malalk had even ONE ranged Sith Trooper Minion in the ring. I’d have a literal stroke. I bet he could kick my ass with his Dentures alone.

[@morganpryde9125]

Could he though? Considering Malak already tried fighting Revan and lost his lower jaw because of it?

[@mikecobalt7005]

Yea, in every KOTOR play through the first fight in the corridor behind the bridge I had Malak "Beat" when Bastilla runs in and interrupts the fight (Malak *Survived past that fight only on accident from Bastilla terrible timing). Malak was an Usurper and follower that tried to get too big for his own good. Not to mention the completely ****** way Malak tried the cowards way to steal leadership (from the one that actually achieved all their victory's.

[@nathanweast4397]

Malak: the Tetsuo of the Star Wars universe.

[@treiwilson9445]

I see Revan as A forms 1,3,5,6,7 lightsaber specialist. While Malak focused on forms 2,4,7.

[@koraegi]

Well The thing was that Malak didn't do all the quests so he was under leveled and didn't min max his stats for dps like revan did

[@eds1942]

Not only did Revan beat Mandalore on their agreed upon terms, whom Malak couldn’t take by surprise, he beat Malak twice.

[@rsxmaster]

1st fight was stated be a desperate one, and second one was video game plot armor

[@eds1942]

@@rsxmaster I was wrong. He beat Malak 3 times. The 1st match happened before the game and ended with Malak loosing his mandible. The 2nd was because Malak was plot armour. Since Malak needed to turn Bastilla to the Darkside and the player and his companions needed to come to terms with Revan’s reveal. The 3rd was due to Star Forge’s corrupting influence on Malak, which made him vastly overestimate himself. It might be like with Obi-Wan vs Anakin/Vader. Malak might have been the better duelist. But Revan not only had trained with and fought side-by-side with Malak, he was also clearer of mind and more adaptive.

[@rsxmaster]

@@eds1942 Ok I was wrong to call you an idiot, but let me sum this up. Revan and Malak's first duel was described as a desperate fight, with Revan only winning cause of his force advantage. The second duel, Malak absolutely clapped Revan and then beat Bastila with a wounded shoulder, and the third duel, Revan only won cause of plot armor.

[@DaBobbyShurmda]

That missing bottom jaw says otherwise

[@jamesnason3002]

No Malak was no where as near the power level of Revan. He was a follower. Revan is a leader.

[@austinkersey2445]

Except he was. They respected each other because each could do what the other couldn't. Malak was a boots-on-the-ground type of leader. He preferred to fight in the trenches and propel the troops forward. He was noted for his ability to boost morale and save battles through his tactical brilliance, while Revan was more of an armchair general who utilized strategy to win battles and wars. Malak was a great short-term thinker who used his environment to his advantage. Revan was a long-term strategist who planned his enemies movements, his own, and those of his allies. It's the same contrast that Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi had. The primary difference was that Malak was much more level-headed. Revan won because he has sparred with Malak enough to know most of his tricks. We don't know how close their duel was, as that was never disclosed (to my knowledge). We just know he lost his jaw. It was likely close. The main problem is that KOTOR doesn't reflect the lore. Because, how well you do against Malak is dependent on your abilities and skill. It's the same reason people use the Force Unleashed novels over the games from a lore perspective, as the depiction of Galen Marek is quite overblown in-game.

[@thetezz0001]

Great video very interesting thanks

[@rebeldropper8933]

Its wild how the weapons during the Old Republic were so much more devastating than the Empire..IMO

[@jonathanmora8208]

In videogames everything is hyped

[@rebeldropper8933]

@@jonathanmora8208 good point..its like 3000 yrs ago we were more advanced then we are now.

[@McCrapweasel]

Who's your favorite fan cast for Malak? I'm thinking Michael Shannon or Pip Torrens.

[@jrfi8264]

Revan beat his ass twice

[@rsxmaster]

First one was a desperate fight, Malak beat Revan's ass on the Leviathan, and video game plot armor is the only reason Revan beat Malak on the star forge.

[@mentalmandolorian5723]

Long ago the galactic nations lived in harmony, but everything changed when the mandolorians attacked

[@dar-nakkallig]

Then explain the Metal Jaw? Lol

[@dukethighwalker6839]

That's what happens when you challenge Revan for supremacy of the Sith..

[@rsxmaster]

He got the metal jaw from what was stated to be a desperate fight. Don't act like Revan one-shot Malak with a lift of his finger.

[@davidr1037]

I played KOTOR, loved it:)

[@dianabarnett6886]

Please. For their final duel, Malak softened Revan up with wave after wave of Sith troopers, dark side acolytes, and battle droids, and then, empowered by the Star Forge and a whole room full of captured Jedi, confronted and fought Revan...and STILL lost. He never surpassed his old master.

[@ThatSomGuy]

Before I fought Malak, I was stimmed up more than a junkie in a drug factory.

[@edwardbeaty8899]

Shoot, I kick Malek's butt easily on the Leviathan! One flurry takes him down, then a second time before the Bastilla cutscene. Malek is a wimp!

[@muellek7]

11:48 Was that Bastilla jumping out of a larty?

[@thepro3729]

Malak was power and close to Revan in most aspects. He was 2nd in command and pupil and together they wreaked havoc through the galaxy in their quest for knowledge and power. It can be assumed that they purposely fell to vitiate/darkside so that they could master that side of force and do in-house Sith cleaning like they did to Jedi. No he could not beat Revan but no one could without some cheap tactic prepared in advance. Malak definitely top 4 most powerful of all time

[@minicle426]

AKA Darth Trapjaw.

[@z-man1237]

Yo here’s a new title for this dude; *Darth Malak the Mad*

[@imperialwyvern]

More like Darth Malak the lesser. Or Darth Malak the hound of Revan

[@DefecTec]

The fact that Malak learns everything so fast while the war is going on is kinda dumb imo, I think it would’ve been better to just say he was found a couple years before

[@faintfiction5389]

By the end of Kotor he was probably as powerful if not more so than Revan when he was the dark lord since he said that Prodigal Knight Revan was more powerful than Darth Revan

[@congresswallah]

Simple answer NO. Dont forget how he lost his jaw.

[@MRCAVALIER34]

He lost to Revan both times.

[@danieljames500]

saying he churned out more from the star forge and conquered more than revan is not a show of his power, since as you stated yourself in the video, revan was holding back. which is actually much more of a sign of strength and power, since he didn’t need to go all out to accomplish his goal. it really just shows malak’s desperation and desire to be powerful and show people how powerful he is. he was in revan’s shadow for a reason, he lost to him twice for a reason, he didn’t have the guts to engage him directly the second time for a reason: he was always inferior and he knew it. when he thought he was more powerful, he was promptly proven wrong without revan even using the dark side at a dark side nexus

[@koraegi]

What would drive a man to get rid a perfectly good head of hair

[@user-vl3tm4co4b]

Malak has this jaw prothese because revan and him are equal :)

[@tjmcfadden5137]

He really wasn't in my opinion it's because of the star forge that Malak became so powerful but it was corrupting him and Malak became dependent on it. Revan was smart enough to know not to depend on the Star Forge and was strong enough on his own to almost defeat the Republic and was charismatic enough to bring Jedi over to his side where as Malak more often had to torture Jedi to get them to turn. Was Malak powerful yes was he physically better yes. But it's stated that Jedi that looked at Revan through the force literally thought they were looking at the center of the universe he was that powerful and even the Sith emperor respected Revan. Take this claim with a grain of salt but I think it's even said that Revan was the one to gain back control of his mind and he helped Malak to get his mind back. Either way in my opinion Revan was always more powerful and Malak had to depend on others or the Star Forge to compete with him.

[@c05ta21]

Vitiate corrupted Malak not the Star Forge