The Definitive Guide to the Most TERRIBLE Battle the Star Wars Universe Ever Saw

[@davidfernandes7109]

Anakin: Let's try spinning that's a good trick Palpatine: *spins and kills three Jedi Masters*

[@geetslys]

Spin kill!

[@davidfernandes7109]

@@geetslys Double kill! Triple kill! Killtastic!

[@davidfernandes7109]

@Ridley Scott loves millenials It does LOL

[@falseseto3892]

Darth Nihilus after the Battle of Malachor V: “My stomach was making the rumblies that only planets would satisfy.”

[@maxxor-overworldhero6730]

The other Sith: "Niiiiiihilus."

[@yetanotherrandomviewer]

Mask of Nihilus: You must finish your work.

[@mandolorian162]

Thats kills people 🤣🤣🤣

[@Pokeballs888-kl2qg]

This comment doesn't have enough likes. It's making me feel old.

[@Sov-Ryn15]

Alderaan: *explodes, thousands of voice cry out in terror* “Oh, no..” Malachor V: “You have much to learn.” *breaks the Force, and creates a slew Sith* Edit: so glad I got 107 comments. Thank you!

[@Sov-Ryn15]

@Always Plotting true

[@masteroftheassassins]

And after all of the battles we have seen or heard of from the entire series for one battle in particular to stand out, that’s quite an accomplishment.

[@geetslys]

Yep the were all so brutal

[@donnellebarfield3964]

Probably because of the sheer amount of death of the mandalorian wars

[@therevenantschakalofkrieg2495]

Yeah so much death that I'd what Kreia is saying it true, it was probably screeching like an animal from the sheer carnage. As if... wounded. As if the force is some kind of metaphysical entity. A sort of living animal in its own right. This does bring some disturbing implications, knowing "the force" is quite literally F***ing alive. This does bring some context to why the vong left their native galaxy. The scale of destruction they did killed the force there, so they had no choice but to migrate in order to survive. This means by the time in legends they are known. they were in a sense fighting like a cornered animal. They spent untold eons in the void, and the vong were gambling on this invasion just to survive as a species. It seemed it was all or nothing for them And when they failed... they did not have a home to call their own, and they largely died out. We do not hear much of them after this point in legends.

[@Fleechin]

The really hard part about Malachor was having to wait to heal myself back to health every 10 minutes, those battles were impossible

[@geetslys]

Hahaha yep exactly

[@aceundead4750]

Being light side made things worse because Mira against Wookiee

[@SpaceAngelMewtwo]

I feel like the only person who had absolutely no trouble on Malachor V at this point. I mean, it's probably because I had a Wisdom of over 50 with Force Enlightenment active and wasn't afraid to spec into Force Storm as a Light Sider, which meant I could disable and kill entire rooms full of enemies in a few rounds. Even made Nihilus and Sion look like weaklings since they both failed to save against my Stasis Field. Traya was the only enemy in the game who could resist my Stasis. The only part I even had to use Force Heal in was the Atton vs Sion battle in TSLRCM.

[@aceundead4750]

@Howling Fox Sports i always had an easier time using Hanharr than Mira. Then again i only managed to do a light side playthrough maybe two or three times out of years of playing, making light side choices enough to get the good ending was always my downside. Most times i got the neutral end

[@christopherwichman7968]

Force Storm was a god send lol. I remember struggling much more with the mass enemies on the Star Forge lol.

[@JaelaOrdo]

“I still remember that final battle in the skies above Malachor V. The two fleets filling the space around it, outshining the stars.” - Te Taylir Mand'alor (Canderous Ordo)

[@caesarnafrada5454]

You mentioned the fact that Revan's fleet was delayed by Mandalorian scout ships, however this may have actually been a lie set by Revan himself. As you said Revan wanted to destroy any not loyal to him, however he couldn't outwardly do this, so in order to accomplish both goals of extermination and conversion, he purposely delayed his fleet manned by only those loyal to him. With the events that took place in the battle, this had the desired effect of having Meetra Surik perhaps his biggest obstacle, fire the mass shadow generator. Not only did this have the desired effect of killing most that would stand in his way, but it made Surik powerless as she had to cut herself off from the force to survive. Now most will argue this is a simple theory however it does have some ground especially with the interactions between the player, Bao-Dur, and most importantly Canderous.

[@donnellebarfield3964]

Reven kinda fell before he meet the emperor so I believe it

[@3dpyromaniac560]

I had that same line of thought since I first heard HK bring up that Revan was cleaning house Then it was further reinforced by Kreia's famous quote "The Mandalorian Wars were a series of massacres that masked another war, a war of conversion. Culminating in a final atrocity _no Jedi could walk away from save one."_

[@roberttew6073]

The lore of Malachor, and ancient Sith in general, has always fascinated me. How a Force Wound and a Dark Side Nexus combine to create a nightmare world. Makes me wonder what would happen if the Yuuzhan Vong came across such a world? Or even across Sith Spawn, the product of sith alchemy? This only makes me think of a crossover between Star Wars Legends and Warhammer 40k. Mainly, Our "protagonist" leads a force of sith across the ages, and in an attempt to weaken the 40k galaxy, seek Darkside nexus and cause battles near them, then use mass shadow generators. How bad would the 40k galaxy be messed up? Probably just another day.

[@daedalus4748]

Another question: How would the Chaos Gods react?

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

it would definitely be just another regular monday for 40K eventually he would be stopped, since its not even first time something like this would have happened. there has been ton of different schemers, who have faced their end thanks to the loyalist forces either managing to stop them before their plans could be fulfilled, or making sure to drag their screaming bodies into hell with them.

[@martinp3166]

Always had chills when listening to Bao Dur, Canderous or Kreia talking quietly of the horrors that took place on Malachor, while aboard the Ebon Hawk

[@DarkKing009]

HK-47 theorizes that apart from defeating the mandalorians, Revan's plan of using the Mass Shadow Generator at Malachor V had another purpose. That perhaps constructing a strategy that involved the death of Jedi, specifically Jedi that didn't support Revan completely, was no accident.

[@thedoruk6324]

Ultimate Sigma Nihilus was on the job again! He was the epitome of a dark sider

[@geetslys]

Yes he was definitely the definition of a dark sider

[@tweso1499]

@@geetslys he is a breach in the Force.

[@zexalbrony4799]

Well, I did say I wanted more videos on Battles and you delivered with one of the greatest and most influential battles in Star Wars history.

[@geetslys]

You are welcome! 😂

[@goldeagle6431]

The Senate needs no guide to explain his true power.

[@geetslys]

Yep, he is the Senate after all

[@mirakluaragnos2863]

KotoR 1 was a great game, following the formular of a powerful Sith Lord with a Super station which you have to destroy to win in the end. But beyond that great KotoR 2 though.... it used the mythology of the Force overall to create a nightmare, almost otherworldly horror which was Malachor V. And the more you think about it, it truely shows what terror evil and war can bring in the Star Wars galaxy (and in our world, but that is besides the point) When I first played the game, I didn'T get it, I was like 11? I did not understand a lot of the detail and threads going on, but now I see it and it makes this game such a great story, it own story in the Star Wars univers, but still a faithful sequel to great game that was KotoR and surpassed it. And to what other planet I might want to see here? Well Ziost is so often mentioned as the capital of the first Sith Empire, but I barely know about it, so that would be my suggestion: Ziost and also thank you for your awesome videos Geetsly's

[@hendrikgreiner8449]

I totally agree with you here. I never considered it before but that nightmare angle is absolutely believable, if you look also at the game. At Peragus, you have quite the ghost situation until you know that Darth Sion and the assassins are after you, its like fleeing from a horror movie and even though you can fight, you are quite lowlevel and not very powerful. And whenever you meet the Sith again, that feeling returns, that you feel quite powerless and that something far, far greater is lurking in the shadows. That you get constantly attacked from nowhere like with Visas Maar, Darth Sion and Darth Nihilus only reinforces that feeling.

[@black_seige_king412]

What I find poetic is that black hole like weapon through the death of thousands, gave birth to a living black hole. A living representation of the despair and wound that was of the force that day. It was Darth Nilus, the one who endlessly hungers and absorbs all life near him with nothing escaping.

[@LordWyatt]

*All it takes is one bad day….* -Revan, probably

[@brydon5721]

The weight of all that death and loss on her shoulders makes the Exile a great character, I just hope she's brought into the canon at some point--hers would be a great story to tell over a trilogy of films or live action series.

[@aeternumcadens1777]

Do a video on force witches and other dark side cults. That would be cool.

[@UnexpectedWonder]

Absolutely!

[@neetard7360]

So basically the mass shadow generator was the star wars equivalent to the castle bravo disaster with a few notable exceptions, damn...

[@andorwid1880]

Whenever i hear stories like this i think to myself: "hm, I have a nice idea for a book based on that" Shame I lack the will to actually write them. But it's ok, given that no one would read them

[@nathaniellong4281]

Have you done a video about how the Yuuzhan Vong destroyed so much life in their home galaxy that the Force itself cut their entire species away from it?

[@Delicious1922]

I hope at some point they make a movie about the Old Republic and show this battle as the climax. I wanna see everything on screen that led to the battle where Sith and Jedi alike lost and all were petrified.

[@michaelbarnes2617]

Malachor, & KOTOR lore in general is probably the most fascinating in Star Wars

[@Gundamjock193]

Malachor 5 was an holocaust and nuclear weapon for those who survived they was never yhe same again and have PTSD and never ending screams for life

[@bradinhartley6552]

Was the malachor video I've been searching for 🤙

[@RossIsFine]

Amazing that Yoda knew what awaited Ezra on Malachor and sent him to mature in his beliefs by learning from the error of his ways with the temptation of darkness

[@rocker9793]

Sadly the old republic malachor and rebels Malachor are completely different places lore wise

[@snakem4a164]

I think 🤔 perhaps Darth Nihilus could of been one of the Jedis of the Republic.... He could of been one of those that were more likely to be aligned with the Jedi then to Revan and left for dead

[@firefallindustries1332]

8:41“spagettifying” 😆😆

[@marshalllatta2073]

That planet looks so dark

[@raphaeldias5502]

Surik : "she" My male character in kotor 2 : this is outrageous, it's unfair.

[@billyhawe3916]

You don't know how long I've been waiting for a video like this! THANK YOU!

[@Ganonsmork]

That looks like a drug abused Nihilus in the thumbnail, if ever I've seen one.

[@strakk]

Nihilus is the coolest character in the sw universe

[@tylernafus7032]

Do the battle of dxun and onderon really a full battle by battle of the mandalorian wars would be great! Love your videos they are awesome keep up the good work

[@storba3860]

Honestly it doesn't really seem that evil. The Mandalorians and Revanchists were willing combatants. It would've been more effective if the planet was populated.

[@D9Beats]

Again, thanks for using my music!

[@topdog5252]

I’m so glad you did a video on the battle of Malachor V. Epic

[@ragnorockcookie2868]

The only thing that annoys me about this story is that no Jedi or no Gray Force user has tried to repair or fix malakur just because something is broken doesn't mean it can't be reforged

[@rocker9793]

Actually in the game it give a reason why. It said no force user could stand against the corrupting effect of the planet except the exile because it was a breach and death of the force. Any light sider or gray jedi would fall to the dark side shortly after exposure which is why revan used it to corrupt jedi into sith.

[@ReplyNotificationsMuted]

Thanks, just finished KOTOR II and it's truly unfortunate that 3rd KOTOR was canceled.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

And to think this battle is implied by Rebels to have actually happened in the Alt-universe, albeit with a different sequence of events. Of course, since the Malachor there is intact, I might want to theorize that in the Alt-universe, the Exile turned Dark Side, Bao-Dur dies and so is his remote, and as we can all see, that universe is admittedly more screwed up than Legends because of this turn of events.

[@yorecf9641]

I always assumed it was a different Malachor, as the one in Rebels wasn't explicitly stated to be Malachor V, just "Malachor."

[@stargatecommand714]

I think you're reading into it too much, it's just a reference, nothing more nothing less

[@jaieregilmore971]

@@yorecf9641 yeah Star Wars have a history of planets that a number like Yavin VI so it wouldn’t be a surprise that there are a Malachor(prime) or Malachor V.

[@lifeliberty9235]

Honestly, i think it's far more likely that they just rewrote the planet and history entirely for Rebels. Another possibility is that they are two different planets in the same system, but the idea of having two planets in the same system, that have basically identical reputations and taboos from the Jedi, is far less likely. As far as what is implied in Disney Canon, I'm not sure if there is any real tangible evidence this same battle ever occurred. I'd wager that Disney writers did what they have been doing since taking over: Largely, stealing excellent or fan favorite ideas from the Expanded Universe, and writing them back in, usually in a much less well done fashion.

[@yorecf9641]

@@lifeliberty9235 you think that it’s likely that there’s only a Malachor V and not a I-IV? Even Dave Filoni says he uses the names of people and places just because.

[@SpaceMonkeyBoi]

I wonder if things would have been different if the Final Order was stationed on Malachor (one from rebels) instead of Exegol

[@Elphazo_O-two]

What?

[@vitorpereira9515]

Disney is like Deadeye Duncan.

[@sukitron5415]

​@@vitorpereira9515that's an insult to deadeye Duncan at least he was a likeablr character, I liked the guy, I wonder if he realized the true identity of the mysterious stranger

[@jderpz23]

This is like the drop site massacre but 10x worse lol

[@comradeconnolly4538]

Everyone: Chilling listening to sw lore 11:52 Geetsly, talking about a period of 10 years: DICKEAD

[@OMEGATHENIETZCHIAN]

What was the temple in Rebels, was that another planet in the Malachor system or did Malachor 5 not get completely destroyed in that continuity?

[@haverqlh7904]

Love the old republic videos

[@Nephalem2002]

Malachor V is the greatest planet in all of Star Wars.

[@Viperfish9000]

Malachor left as big a tear in the galaxy as your mama -Yoda or something I never watched SpaceBalls

[@teamcage]

Outstanding job!

[@neonbatteries4389]

The force after the battle of malachor 5: error 404

[@HeiressOfShadows]

Darkside users always manage to converge on Malachor. Darth Revan, Darth Nihlus, Darth Treya, Darth Maul, and Darth Vader have all faught on Malachor

[@alexbernhard5936]

Man rebels ruined this one. The KOTOR version was way better

[@lerneanlion]

I have an interesting topic to think and discuss here. Why the Republic is unwilling to commit genocide against the Mandalorians, the Zyggerians and the Hutts? The Mandalorians are nothing but bloodthisrty warmongers, the Zyggerians are nothing but slavers while the Hutts are... well... everything bad, I guess? But the point is these guys gave nothing but troubles to the Republic and even if the Jedi did not get involve on behalf of the Republic, the Republic can simply launch the genocidal campaigns against them anyway without the approvals of the Jedi anyway. After all, the Jedi served the Republic, not the other way around. As for the public's concerns, simply issuing the propagandas to justify these acts with the supporting evidences that the Mandalorians are nothing but a horde of uncivilized and bloodthirsty savages while the Zyggerians are nothing but the brutal and oppressive slavers. And guess what, these claims are very true. And finally, the Republic never actually cared about some old constitutions it made in the first place a few hundreds years ago. So I guess there is no stopping the Republic. But yet, they do nothing about them like at all! Just why?! WHY?!

[@lifeliberty9235]

While I can see what you're saying here, I would point out that you're wrong about the Mandalorians. You have to think about them like you would have the Spartans of ancient Greece. Theirs was a culture or battle, of war, of conflict, one which would take a warrior and sharpen or shatter them, and in either that victory or death in battle, they found honor. For them, all of life is conflict, and you are either strong enough to come out on top, or you're crushed underfoot by those who are stronger than you. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that they didn't do monstrous things or commit terrible acts, because they absolutely did, but I'm trying to point out that they didn't just do what they did for the sake of killing and terrorizing. They were more complicated than that.

[@lerneanlion]

@@lifeliberty9235 My problem with the Mandalorians is that they do not promote equality. And I greatly despised that! So I think they should be taken down for good, especially after being offered a chance to promote such an idea and all they did was throwing it away until Duchess Satine came along. And I cannot believe that the Republic was actually gave more chances to the Mandalorians until Duchess Satine rose to power. And That took a long time! The fact that the Senate was this patient with them is just... almost to completely unreal!

[@lifeliberty9235]

@@lerneanlion I mean, you're free to feel however you want about all of this. They didn't promote equality because it goes against their nature and their societal setup, and more importantly, because they recognize not everyone is equal in all ways. The strong prevail, the weak are crushed underfoot, simple as that. They believe in making themselves stronger through struggle, and that sort of belief doesn't allow for equality. Nobody grows without facing adversity, and someone else solving your problems for you doesn't teach you anything. That's their philosophy.

[@lerneanlion]

@@lifeliberty9235 I know that. It's just that why the Republic allowed this? I think the Republic has taken the "being tolerance to intolerance" policy too far. If the Republic was willing to help the Jedi commit genocide against the Sith like the one at Korriban, what's stopping the Republic from doing the same with the Hutts, the Mandalorians and the Zyggerians? The Jedi? I doubt it. They served the senate and the Republic after all.

[@machinegear7221]

Starting a war, let alone a genocidal war, is against Republic "ideals", plus its bureucratic, cant start a war without some REAL good reason to do so(mainly invasion). Plus Republic is weak and dealing with something like Hutts might be plain suicidal and even if they win, the cost would be too much. And finally Republic dont care about freedom and justice in reality, add on top of that the fact that they are weak and bureucratic(maybe even take bribes from Hutts) then why would they wanna fight Hutts or Mandalorians? Its too much pain in the ass, as long as their threat to their existence, they wouldnt move a finger.

[@johnquach8821]

Nice. Maybe a "Why almost all Hutts are bad?"

[@booki7057]

It's probably because of how they're raised, like Humans

[@andrewsever4651]

Can’t see the thumbnail yet cause I’m in a place with crappy WiFi but if the battle in question isn’t Malachor V I don’t know what else it can be

[@anti-liberalismo]

"After Malachor, i was right there with the rest of the defectors, because it was the roght thing to do" Atton Rand

[@starkilr101]

And from the wound rises Nihilus and his hunger

[@curiouscat94x77]

Imagine playing KOTOR 3 and it has flashbacks like Assassin’s Creed Revelations. Having to make give the order to activate the Mass shadow Generator 🤯

[@christopherhanton6611]

yes that was very good video that was a blood bath battle for both sides. and dark horror what came from it

[@ayiza8511]

I was under the impression that Revan was the reason malikor was a dark side nexuses? Since he used the massive shadow generator? And the planet became a wound in the force

[@evynsmileyguy4740]

I don't know if you have done this but a full history of coruscant?

[@kirkbolas4985]

Your telling of the story of Malachor V closes with the planet being destroyed. So on what world, in Star Wars Rebels, did Kanan, Ezra and Ahsoka encounter Maul?

[@stargatecommand714]

Separate timelines. This is legends content, Rebels is canon

[@tylerjones7592]

a different world in the system

[@SeabooUsMultimedia]

It's a different world in the system

[@lifeliberty9235]

I'm not sure there has ever actually been an answer since Disney took over, but likely the Rebels show is a redesigned version of the same planet. It is also possible they were two planets in the same system, but thats far less likely.

[@goodmind4940]

@@lifeliberty9235 the people just don't want to admit god-emperor Filoni isn't as knowledgeable about lore as they think he is, so they create all weird justifications that it's just different planet in same system

[@videomaestro9566]

If you have not already, I am curious about Viciate’s (definitely butchered that) Home Planet and what he done with it, I heard a bit from another Star Wars Channel but not the entire story, it was so bad it made someone very close to him turn against the Emperor and label the Planet an “Abomination”

[@emzonik8851]

I wouldn't say this was more terrible than the battles fought on Coruscant, like during the Clone Wars, Imperial mutiny or the fall of the planet during the Vong Invasion.

[@SebaxtianUN]

I would like to see about the althir 3 battle please

[@Tw1stedAng3l]

See this is why I love star wars

[@bryanking5]

Can we talk about what happened to the children of jedi? If they had kids would they become jedi? Would the parent be kicked from the order?

[@kauyanDJ]

Depends in periods, KOTOR and New republic accept Jedi families.

[@UnexpectedWonder]

Well, that explains a lot...

[@zachattack1279]

I hate that Star wars rebels retconed this planet as not destroyed it also didn't do the planet Justice either

[@richietribe9487]

They didn't retcon it. It could be an entire different Malachor. 1, 2, 3 or 4 for example

[@codename618]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but is there a particular difference between Malachor V and the Malachor in Rebels, or were they the same planet? I'm not super knowledgeable on the Old Republic era.

[@lifeliberty9235]

I'm not 100% sure if they ever really specified. It could simply be that they are planets in the same system (Malachor behind the 1st planet, and V being the 5th, of course), but with the way they talk about Malachor in Rebels, I want to say that they rewrote Malachor V into the version shown in the show. If you're talking about, say, physical differences, there is a LOT, and you would be better off looking up some KOTOR 2 game play or visuals of Malachor V to get a better idea. It was a MUCH darker place in its original form.

[@paulliston8561]

They are different. Rebels calls out Malachor III actually, where as KoTOR involves Malachor V. Same system, but different worlds completely.

[@thisisdavid2]

....I wonder how far Altair III is from Altair IV... ;) sorry the Krell made me do it lol

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

Kotor 1 and 2, legendary games

[@twilighthero9358]

So it's almost like the Star Wars version of Beleriand, but it's an entire planet?

[@dukethighwalker6839]

So how did Palatine take Maul there thousands of years later?

[@fungi5923]

Bel Malkor First mortal to gain Godhood

[@Gyratus]

But are kotors stories canon ? If the planet was destroyed how did they get on it in the Rebels series ? Also, how did all thes soldiers turn to stone ? Did they glass the planet from orbit ?

[@perfect7357]

The planet still remains, but no living beings there.

[@Nemo-Nihil]

Why wasn't the Malachor episodes creepier in Rebels, if Malachor is such a cursed and haunted place? Wouldn't Ahsoka and Kanan have gone mad or at least felt physically ill being near such a horrible place? What about Ezra, who's new to the Force? Wouldn't Maul and Vader be twice as powerful since they draw on the Dark Side and Malachor is dripping with such evilness? Those episodes all see lackluster now. It wasn't scary. It was vaguely creepy and rather funny with how aggressive Maul was in trying to adopt Ezra.

[@hypertensiontwist6953]

Different planets. That was Malachor, Malachor V is the extra bad one

[@jackieanderson9408]

Sweet 👍

[@coreyleader6206]

Can't wait for kotor to be rewritten for a modern audience by someone who openly hates anikan.

[@eldenvedetta635]

I would've liked the video if it wasn't for the canon / non legend material

[@GeorgeH1203]

I love you

[@blakena4907]

Mmm, this is a good one.

[@StoicSurvivor99]

There's a plot hole that needs to be addressed. I thought darth Sion fought along side Exar kun in the great sith war and yet here he is, spawned by the horrors of mandalorian wars of Malachor V. Why would sion fight the mandalorians along side jedi when he have been killing them in Exar Kun's behalf? How does sion's war with the jedi centuries ago before the mandalorian wars tie in? It doesn't make any sense.

[@paulliston8561]

Sion was a Jedi (then later a dark Jedi) under Revan's Command. He suffered terrible wounds during the Mandalorian Wars and his body was broken with only the darkside keeping him alive. After Revan's fall/redemption and Malak's defeat, he made a power-play to become one of the Sith Triumvirate, as far as my memory serves.

[@StoicSurvivor99]

@@paulliston8561 jedi that was fighting for exar kun. Exar Kun despised the republic and if sion fought with him he would hate the republic as well and watched the mandalorians destroy the republic. You sure he wasn't fighting for him?

[@jamiewalsh3349]

Could Lucasfilm retcon Malachor V as a separate planet to Malachor in canon?

[@paulliston8561]

They are separate planets. The world in Rebels is Malachor III, where as KoTOR has Malachor V.

[@goodmind4940]

@@paulliston8561 we actually don't know if they're separate, canon treats as Malachor just rewritten for Disney canon

[@paulliston8561]

@@goodmind4940 Not true, they are called out as separate worlds in the Rebels visual guide, rpg tabletop games, and official Star Wars databank

[@johanstenfelt1206]

Interesting.

[@EuropeanQoheleth]

A channel where every video has at least one word in all caps is a pretty terrible sight to see.

[@breadsqueeze27]

why

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Why does the thumbnail feel like Nihilus himself is the man behind everything that happened on the KotOR era? Wait... maybe he is! The "True Sith" are truly a myth! The Force is a joke!

[@donkeykong4983]

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