Gender row in women's boxing threatens to overshadow Olympics | DW News

[@CeVo100]

How is this even a conversation? This insanity needs to stop.

[@laurenladd9056]

The Algerian boxer probably never had a genetic test. The doctor looked at ger vulva and said she is a girl. Genetics are deeper than surface appearances. This is conversation because theworld of human gender is not as simple as we would like it to be.

[@Bat_ya]

Because doctor john money and doctor alfred kinsey , who were frauds and proven to be, their research is being used. The bbc just mentioned Kinsey

[@schang8964]

真理越辯越明

[@barumbadum]

Biology (science), not ideology.

[@user-zz8lb6bd7p]

Who invited this clueless "professor" ?

[@asiklosi]

The problem is that there are quite a number of women with XY chromosome and with fully functional female organs and the ability to give birth. Recent research suggests it affects about 1- 1.5% of global female population. So even in biology there is not a simple criteria for defining female.

[@ascensionquest4378]

@@asiklosi can you point to this statistics? what peer reviewed research has been conducted to conclude that this is a fact. (that "1- 1.5% of females have XY chromosomes and at the same times fully functional female organs and the ability to give birth") What institutions sponsored these purported research? Can you post a link to this peer reviewed research? Please enlighten us?

[@user-zz8lb6bd7p]

@@asiklosi nja, not really, sounds scientific but confirmed statistic on Swyer syndrome is about 1 in 80000 or 0.00125%

[@jochentram9301]

Okay. I'll play. Explain which specific gene differentiates men from the female default. Where is this gene located, normally? What happens if it is not present in that location? Or missing altogether? What is the difference between chromosomal, genetic and hormonal sex? Yes, those are different things. Ask a biologist.

[@Valkyri3Z]

I don't know how a 'gender studies' specialist can speak on this issue which is primarily about science and biology. Its weird that she was called into this rather than a scientist .

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

Right. She is into politics not the much more practical sciences needed for fairness in sport.

[@Amanda-xx7sj]

Exactly. Someone who can breakdown the conditions of different DSDs and how some may afford an individual the advantages of a male puberty and put women in danger in a contact sport should have been the one to speak. Not all conditions where a person has a Y chromosome means they can process testosterone the same way a man could. But looking at this individual, I don’t believe they have Complete androgen insensitivity disorder. Maybe swyer’s syndrome, PAIS or 5-ARD (the latter being what Carter semenya had and is essentially a DSD that means a boy is born with underdeveloped testes and penis and may look female but will go through a typical male puberty).

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

@@Amanda-xx7sj I believe DSD stands for "Direct Stream Digital" What?

[@nodatastored684]

20 doctors have spoken about this on KZbin they have commercials and they all say she's a female

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

@@nodatastored684Name the doctors and link to the YT videos.

[@hornedlobster]

"Women come in different chromosomes". Really? This is just getting silly now.

[@jeremytine]

Nope existed long before culture war, xxy, study genetics

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

@@jeremytine XXY existed before the culture war, that doesn't make someone with XXY a woman though.

[@Amanda-xx7sj]

@@jeremytinexxy is klinefelter’s syndrome and a male specific DSD. They may be “feminized” in some aspects of their bodies like wider hips, but they are not lesser men or a third sex. To imply otherwise is offensive. There are a couple of DSDs where the individual may have a Y chromosome and elevated levels of testosterone but an inability to process it during puberty, meaning they won’t have the physical advantages of a man. But there are others where the individual is simply missexed at birth because they had an underdeveloped penis and testes. They will still go through a typical male puberty and develop a male physique. These individuals, as unfair as it may seem, should not be allowed to punch women when they can land a blow like a man. Safety should come first for female competitors. Scientists who understand which DSD bestow the advantages of male puberty and put women at a heightened risk should be the ones consulted, not gender studies majors. The decision should be based on material conditions, not ideology.

[@jeremytine]

@@Amanda-xx7sj misleading/ false... Xxy can be of male or female phenotype. They banned Ewa Kłobukowska, and a year later she gave birth to a child.... Having given birth, was she still a male in your eyes? 😂

[@djihanenadarihane2757]

This person is gender professor and u still think u know more !

[@gaurav7333]

Before gender, they need to check mental health of IOC

[@christianebehr138]

Very true I would not fight against such a Person so unfair 😊

[@franciscoarzaga4384]

Bwahahaha !

[@betrue755]

😂😂😂it seems ur mental health is no in a good condition....Gaurav

[@franciscoarzaga4384]

@@betrue755 you’re a Doctor now? bwahahaha !

[@franciscoarzaga4384]

@@betrue755 you’re a Doctor now, bwahahaha !

[@minhoonoon9443]

How could this person become a professor if she doesn't know who punches harder???

[@Jasnogorodskij]

A South Park episide has become reality. Strange times we live in...

[@magnoliaflower3310]

I remember my brother showed me that episode.

[@laurenladd9056]

"There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophies." -- William Shakespeare "Hamlet" Why do we think we understand the world. It's hubris!

[@halamadrid71814]

Why has the entire world gone crazy

[@faraboverubieskerry]

EXACTLY...we are in the twilight zone

[@Kspice9000]

Everyone handed the keys of power to the gays, that's why.

[@laurenladd9056]

This woman is a exceeding poor advocate for explaining this controversy.

[@missfunk5]

I was not following her word salad. A shame really because l do want to fully understand this situation.

[@theloniousm4337]

Her gig is politics not science.

[@lotharkolb855]

She is a professor of gender studies, so what can one expect.

[@angtxsun4460]

@@lotharkolb855Gender identity studies- not the science of gender studies !

[@vexling111]

​@@missfunk5Same here.

[@joso7228]

Why don't you have a Biological Science expert to discuss this DW? What on Earth has Cultural Studies got to do with this?

[@JohnBrown-rg7ug]

It a man

[@geinikan1kan]

Did you listen to the interview?

[@birdatbattlefield]

@@geinikan1kan Yes, and it was silly.

[@geinikan1kan]

@@birdatbattlefield what part?

[@ilikefood5532]

do you mean a biologist?

[@OneRandomVictory]

Never seen so much controversy in an Olympics in my life. Feels like every day there's a new headline.

[@krollpeter]

You detected the sole intention for all this hype. From the opening celebration onwards. Every publicity is good, even bad publicity makes money.

[@nate6045]

@OneRandomVictory it's outrage culture. People don't actually care about women's sports. They're just falling for rage bait.

[@vermifugo]

It is because they do not want you to think about the genocide that is going on. Free Palestine

[@MrLoobu]

It's the French right. Have you ever met one?

[@DanielEarlester]

@@krollpeter Not if we stop watching.

[@wokeineurope]

This isn't a complex issue. Sex and gender are separate things. You can NEVER change your sex. Biological women should compete against women, and biological men should compete against men. Passports have nothing to do with it!

[@jochentram9301]

The woman in question was born female. Gender reassignment is illegal in Algeria.

[@zaionDoe]

@@jochentram9301 Thank the lord for thes cultures that dont shake with western confusionism

[@laurenladd9056]

Unfortunatley, if youwere a geneticist you would know better than to assume that it is "not complex". 1% to 2% of the world's population is born intersexed. At only 1% that would be 70,000,000 people.

[@mohamedahrouch4842]

In algeria it's impossible to change your birth sex on passport

[@Bat_ya]

Don't fall into what doctor alfred kinsey and doctor john money tried to promote that was proven to be lies. Kinsey was grossssss. So was money.

[@carlanderson7618]

Chromosomes don't lie.

[@Preetvnd]

but you do

[@dukeluffy1549]

If chromosomes don’t lie then men can get pregnant. there are many cases, at least 15 in the scientific literature, of women with xy chromosomes getting pregnant

[@Matt_win]

@@Preetvndyou don't make any sense 😂

[@solar0wind]

Ah, so which gender is a person who's able to give birth naturally but has XY chromosomes? In case you want to say that didn't happen: There's even a case study written in 2008 about a Croatian women that you can find on Google in 10 seconds by looking up "XY woman gives birth" or something similar.

[@It_is_I_Rogal_Dorn]

​@@Preetvndno they don't, the same way that your spine isn't your hand.

[@ravishingrick13]

What a ginormous incoherent word salad from that professor in an attempt to circumvent what is blatantly obvious.

[@faraboverubieskerry]

🤭🤣when he thanked her at the end for guiding us through this subject so clearly I couldn't believe it. She was not clear about anything ...not one sentence made sense at all. She was guiding us all into complete and total nonsense.

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

"What a ginormous incoherent word salad" Rather nicely put :).

[@RIANAVENTER]

Absolutely.

[@laurenladd9056]

She understood her subject, but she was clumsy and inarticulate intrying to convey it.

[@susanvanriper9605]

Yes, they went to the school of VP Harris school of word salad.

[@maxoblivion]

This is the dumbest issue I've ever seen. Chromosomes define sex/gender. Identity however you like but biology must qualify a person for athletic competition.

[@jeremytine]

Ok but she has 2 X chromosones

[@ll647]

Actually there are women in all function with XY chromosomes. But Imane looks like a man, the body, the movements. I think that as an intersex there is a malformation in the genitalia that leads to assign the female gender, while growing up Imane became a man. Because of Algeria laws, Imane had to keep the native given sex.

[@maxoblivion]

@@jeremytine Does she? The reports are that she failed a chromosome test although there was no official public release of the type of test administered or the results. I stand by my comment. Chromosomes should determine qualification for Olympic events.

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

@@jeremytine Where did you read that?

[@jeremytine]

@@maxoblivion what if like Ewa Kłobukowska you had xxy and you gave birth? Is that a male? 😂. Genes aren't fair. Some are taller, process lactic acid better, have denser muscle, etc... are we going to police every genetic advantage?

[@AndyCaru]

For the record, it is not true that Carini felt frustrated exclusively about losing. In the video of the match you can see her yell "Non è giusto" multiple times, which means "It's not fair". Regardless of what your take on the matter is, she sure did not feel she was fighting a woman.

[@LiN0K_]

Imane Khelif fought many women before and has lost 9 TIMES. It is most definitely Carini’s problem for not being able to withstand a punch from another woman

[@Blvie]

⁠​⁠I would like to see how you would react to the punch. The woman has extremely high testosterone for a woman. That puts her at an unfair advantage. She wasn’t allowed to compete in the championships but she is allowed to compete in the Olympics? It doesent make sense. I know very well if you got punched that hard in the olympics you would be crying too. You don’t know her circumstances.

[@Schnoz42069]

Incorrect. She quit because of a nose injury. She never made any comment about her opponent. Also both boxers are biologically female

[@Mdahsanullah-t6r]

look like some biology class needed here 😂😂😂😂

[@bkk06ust]

Yeah, … Prof Sudai (spelling?) does not appear very educated about biological differences between the genders

[@PRIMEthebest]

you really should catch up.

[@solar0wind]

Who is in need? You, the other people in the comments? The people in the video? What is clear is that biological sex is hard to define when it comes to edge cases. There are even women who had children (like one case in Croatia that was written about in a case study from 2008) but had actually XY chromosomes. But some geniuses try to tell us that those are clearly men.

[@Mdahsanullah-t6r]

@@solar0wind Men will be men😂

[@oldrango883]

@@solar0windit’s a man and the other one you’re referring to had xxy

[@riseandshine75]

What a ridiculous question. Strange times.

[@nate6045]

If you watch the video, it really isn't.

[@birdatbattlefield]

@@nate6045 If you paid attention in sx education class, it really is.

[@henryt3636]

Watching a specialist on the topic say she was happy because of the brave decision to base this solely off an ID that says female is insane to me.

[@wernermiguelkuhn6402]

Where is a professor for biology or genetics?! You invited the wrong guest!

[@JoeyBlogs007]

Why not put them with the mens competition, given they have the same XY classifiction as men ??? It's utter madness not to. XY is he closest possible match. It's common sense.

[@MrHarryson1985]

Seriously sickening that this is the times we live in. No amount of neuroses validation can invalidate basic biology.

[@solar0wind]

What neurosis are you talking about? That there are sex variations and not every person is easily definable when it comes to gender? Which gender is a person to you who's able to give birth naturally but has XY chromosomes? In case you want to say that didn't happen: There's even a case study written in 2008 about a Croatian women that you can find on Google in 10 seconds by looking up "XY woman gives birth" or something similar.

[@faraboverubieskerry]

It is like they are trying to see what they can get away with in front of the public...just how much are we willing to go along with insanity!

[@imlvee8909]

@@2XLBlazermbe move to Russia if he is right and enjoy life? :))

[@Schnoz42069]

They're both females though

[@MattBrain9336]

Dracula: What is a MAN? Belmont: WHOA let's not go there

[@yensteel]

They never spoke to each other like that, but I definitely read it in their voices XD. Speech wise, it sounds like them too

[@Wintercat505]

A miserable pile of secrets

[@dIggl3r]

That woman is in SUCH denial, wtf!

[@barumbadum]

@@dIggl3r “Woman”

[@laurenladd9056]

No, you are in denial because you do not want your cherished preconceptions challenged. .

[@Schnoz42069]

​@@barumbadumshe's a biological female

[@MaTara01]

She might be a man like Kefir, hence she's defending him. I had no idea that the gendered on the passport determined whether someone is male or female. I have never had a gender examination by a doctor while applying for my passport!!

[@pinchewey7]

@@Schnoz42069 that's a he she lmao

[@stellahpark6010]

The worst Olympics ever!

[@eddifabricio3750]

I wish my passport said that I was rich... 😒

[@stevendefehr4393]

😂

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

Just change it. You can put anything you like on your passport now. Just like that boxer has.

[@claymarcmendez5873]

Change your name. That will make you Rich.

[@eddifabricio3750]

@evaluateanalysis7974 It turns out that Edward does mean "Rich guard"... So, technically, my passport kinda does say I'm rich 🤔... I am still broke, nonetheless... Can't I just will money into existence? 🫠

[@alexeiplugari5810]

Is this woman also from Algeria lol )?? She said women come in all sizes and can have different chromosomes ?? Wtf??

[@civilpse5458]

Media is making rules??

[@ph1785]

It's ruin the Olympics , with mockery of last supper of Jesus and the apostles and mockery of women sports , total shameful.

[@davidcoldstar6333]

The 2024 Summer Olympics are the worst Olympics in history. This should be the last Olympics.

[@MrLoobu]

You are so self important lol.

[@chrispagnia9052]

Pour vous 😂😂😂, pour votre gouverne , je rêve de L.A 2028. En attendant je me réjouis actuellement pour Paris 2024 Vive les jeux olympiques .Que les meilleurs sportifs gagnent😊

[@pinchewey7]

@@chrispagnia9052 go eat french fries

[@I_like_YT_lots]

Genuine question, genetically as a woman, you can have XY chromosomes?

[@nate6045]

Yes. It's called intersex. You can have chromosomal variations and be born with female sex characteristics. When she was born, doctors took a look at her genetals, said "yep, female" and everyone went on their merry way until she got genetically tested as an adult. She's from a country where being trans or gay is a crime so people who are complaining about this have no idea about this situation.

[@corona1744]

nooo

[@nenasiek]

Some ppl can have a 3rd chromosone, like xxy, it usually doesnt affect the person that much, just some hormonal inbalance but in sports it can obv help a woman cause she would have more testosteron than the average woman.

[@xijinpingpong4426]

If the Y is not working, the person will be female with all female attributes. The Y makes one a man, but it can happen, that the Y is not working, so it will be like you only have a X chromosome.

[@xijinpingpong4426]

​@@corona1744Yes you can, if the Y is not working correctly. It is biological and has nothing to do with gender identity things.

[@ricardo.fontanelli]

Hahahha the "IOC took brave decision", based on science, by simply looking into the passport 🤡. Suuuuper fair with real women

[@gergelykondrak4254]

It is overcomplicated!! There are women, man and now the new race, the hybrid. We need to start the Hybrid Olimpia, the Hybrilympic games, just like the Paralympic games!!!! Olimpia is boring.... Isn't everybody want something new to laugh about??Good morning!

[@julesm753]

It's odd how insistent is the IOC boss about the boxer being a woman, ignoring the Y chromosome issue, and refusing to test further. The passport seems to be enough to determine the gender

[@moniquem783]

How does a passport prove gender? You tick a box when you apply don't you? They don't check anything.

[@lazyblind]

She already lost to 6 females.. what are yall talking about?! You really think that ALGERIA WILL SPONSOR A TRANS?! The italian fighter gave up, even before being downed or koed ...

[@wirasanjaya4517]

imane khelif is banned from 2023 by ibc because of trans and failed in the gender test..why he can be participant in the paris olympic in the first place??sems like paris ignoring test gender because of woke culture and only using his pasport. look at male swimmer compete in woman competition.its a disgrace

[@Mulvers]

@@wirasanjaya4517 Source: "trust me bro"

[@thorts]

​@wirasanjaya4517 someone with chromosonal abnormalities is not a trans person.

[@JohnBrown-rg7ug]

​@@Mulvers Trust you? XX > do you know which is which? 😊 XY YOU FAILED SCIENCE

[@JohnBrown-rg7ug]

​@@thorts yep... a a guy. THE WHOLE TIME. BIO MAN

[@exodus888]

transolympic next after paralymics

[@gioreda5126]

Exactly 😂😂😂

[@Preetvnd]

she is not even trans what is wrong with you

[@machimaytham3945]

Hahaha this is EU

[@DanielEarlester]

No thanks,

[@sypetsutube1272]

People with sex variations have existed but there used to be sex tests. What kind of "expert" is this? She is completely behind women getting destroyed in their own sports by males or "women" with unfair advantage due to their male physiology. Appalling.

[@f8881f]

A bioligist defines what female means. Certainly not a gender specialist.

[@hwi6913]

Imane Khelif naturally produces more testosterone than the average woman. She has (perhaps, because it's controversial) an advantage, like other great champions. For example, Michael Phelps' body produced less lactic acid than that of his rivals, which shortened his recovery time. But what makes a great champion isn't having an advantage, it's the ability to do something with that advantage. I knew another hyperandrogenic young woman whose femininity nobody would have denied - but it's true that she didn't play sports. I knew a high-potential child who didn't want to pursue his studies - he's now a 40-year-old bricklayer who thinks he's always right, and who has never understood that neglected potential withers away until it's too late. If Imane Khelif is today in the semi-finals at the Olympics, she owes it above all to training, perseverance and mental strength. It's a pity that she has to bear the brunt, on the one hand, of the quarrel between the International Olympic Committee and the International Boxing Federation and, on the other, of the moral harassment born of a controversy that is more political than sporting. What her harassers forget is that she is a person and has a right to respect, including respect for her privacy. All this talk in social media about her anatomy and biology, which are no more than suppositions, are a crude and violen affront to her human dignity.

[@O5d43y77]

Totally ridiculous in every way.

[@laurenladd9056]

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the world were as simple as you suppose it to be. It's not!

[@O5d43y77]

Thank you for your reply. This report was focused on the Olympic competition currently underway in Paris and in particular, on the sport of boxing. I have been a fan of boxing, (& the Olympics) for over 30 years and watched many amateur and professional (world tittle) fights live in person. Boxing, unlike the majority of most other Olympic and professional sports can be dangerous for its competitors. There are rules in boxing competition for a reason, and this is to preserve the the health and safety of the competitors as best as possible, and to ensure there is no advantage or disadvantage to either competitor. Hence, the major rules are weight limits and of course gender. I have never met any boxing fan interested to see a mixed gender boxing competition. Boxing is a sport, and the Olympics should be fair and rules need to be followed. I hope basic common sense will prevail. If you are talking about political or social ideology, equality or policy, that is an entirely different topic of conversation. Very Best Regards

[@thromboid]

Seems to me that the real issue is how to ensure that sporting competition is, well, sporting (that is, fair and interesting). Look at the specialised body types that world-class athletes have: if you don't have the genetic advantage of long limbs in volleyball or fast-twitch muscle in sprinting, how can you hope to be competitive? There's plenty of overlap in the bell curves, and we already have weight classes in boxing, so why not expand that idea? I worry that this is just going to get caught up in endless arguments about whether gender and sex are distinct concepts, whether sex is binary, and what exactly defines one's sex or gender. "Biological sex" is a much murkier concept than people commonly think.

[@gizemoner3726]

WHEN U HAVE XY ,U R MEN EASY LIKE THAT

[@LeslieShih1121]

For anyone who claims unfair biological advantage, ask France about disqualifying Victor Wembanyama for his unfair height of 7′ 4″ …

[@JamesThames-k2j]

Nobody is claiming unfair biological advantage in this case. They are claiming that someone with XY chromosomes is competing in women's boxing, which is wrong and dangerous.

[@robert8764]

stop saying she..it's a male..you need new glasses

[@Robin_The_SkyrimLord_NLD]

The red woman She is a heavy weight boxer And the blue woman is a light weight boxer And they should not fight earth other at the first place.

[@m.e.345]

yeah, but on the other hand.. good luck to Ms. Khelif on finding a husband.

[@peterbegetis1304]

This is ridiculous. Chromosomes are science. Where can you possibly say otherwise.. different shapes and forms?? How so? Either they can give birth or cause birth. So which is it?

[@magnoliaflower3310]

I can't be the only one who wants to see a match between the Taiwanese boxer, Lin Yu-Ting with the Algerian boxer, Imane Khelif.

[@shaunapresents]

"So Clearly." Did we listen to the same thing?

[@RaySmith79]

The south africab in the 800 m was banned but this person is not. Interesting.

[@Shaara1]

He was banned too, from other competitions because he not only failed the testosterone test but the gender examination revealed too that he has xy chromosomes so he can't compete with women. Plus he has testicles even though his penis isn't developed. So he wasn't born as a girl. They might have misgendered him without genitals at birth, thats all.

[@tarnw3301]

The South African was partially barred because the IAAF fought for years to protect women's sports. Btw, he can still participate if he lowers his average levels of testosterone to less than 5nmol, about four times higher than average women.

[@S.P.01]

Ideally, start a new trans olympic. Leave this mainstream Olympics alone.

[@voyd1507]

France is so compromised. Disgrace. And Macron is the man responsible.

[@nvmtt]

wouldnt help. this is not a trans woman.

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

....or intersex - like XXY. Anyone who doesn't have the standard XX or XY. You can be sure that all the winners would have a Y chromosome.

[@MinhSen11]

Leave this woman alone. She has worked so hard to get where she is today.

[@marinhobrandao]

That's ackward. First they said Gender (woman) and biological Sex (female) are different things, now they are saying Sex is Gender? Well... what about genetics and biology don't count anymore?

[@SocialCrusader007]

I'm actually surprised that nowadays the female sex can come in more than a single type of chromosomal combination. It's now not just 'XX', but also XY, YY, UU, VV, UV, XYV and so on. It's a total disgrace.

[@donkalzone6671]

Why not meassure also punching power to define the weightclass?

[@チャロ-n2u]

Totally agree

[@nate6045]

Because people can pull their punches to get into an easier class.

[@claymarcmendez5873]

Powerclass, u mean.

[@PLuMUK54]

I do not understand why there has been a failure to end this controversy. Regardless of appearances, and it has to be admitted that they are not typically female, they may not be male either. They are some variant of intersex, such as XXY, raised as female because their gentalia are sufficiently female. Surely, it would be easier for the boxers in question to give permission for their chromosomal make up to be published, or, better still, for all competitors to have this on record. However, this would then raise the issue of whether XX and XXY, or XY and XXY, should be allowed to compete against each other. My personal opinion is that XXY have advantages over XY, so should not, but do XXY have disadvantages compared to XY? This is more complex than "it looks like a man, so it is a man", I've known several very masculine looking woman, and a few feminine looking men. Science must decide what a person is.

[@ModernHomesteading]

Wait Wait. Can someone really answer my question. So does that mean there are not two genders? Does it mean that there are four types of gender? And why is this not taught? As far as I know, that gender can be expressed xx chromosome, XY chromosome, xx y chromosome, XYY chromosome...

[@RR52517]

He is a male.

[@giovannidepetris6335]

No Y chromosome : female

[@LisaFaiss]

I don’t think this is completely true. You can be born xxy and have female genitalia and reproductive organs. Some people can be born with both male and female organs. Parents in these cases are encouraged to declare a sex under which the child should be raised (although new norms might be altering that).

[@ricgl84]

Women come in different types of chromosomes? 😂

[@laurenladd9056]

Yes XXY. Take a course in genetics! 1 to 2 percent of all live births are in the world are born intersexed.

[@LisaFaiss]

She’s inarticulately saying you can be born with xxy chromosomes. At birth, parents specify what sex should be specified on a birth certificate in these cases. This is long before a person’s biological characteristics emerge.

[@bhupendrasengar2489]

This interview would be great if the Expert is from Science Background not from law or any Sociological field

[@goranos6715]

And this is an "expert"...

[@isch2024]

Unbelievably! This is absolutely unjust a man (and sorry this is what it is) fighting a female

[@Schnoz42069]

She's not a man. She's a biological female.

[@ifwemadeit]

That's a dude!!!!!!!!!

[@zainzoala1083]

😂 And you must be what “ a cat 🐈

[@MITVIZ]

Descrimination! women just complain too much

[@MorningNapalm]

This whole thing just pisses me off. I am all for letting everyone choose their own gender, marry who they want, define their own sexuality, and so on. But someone born as a man who chooses to be a woman isn't a woman, s/he is a man who chooses to be a woman. All things balanced around biological women should only include biological women, period. Things like this just screw over biological women for not being men, which was the whole point behind separating men's and women's sports in the first place.

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

Well said.

[@Besupan]

Did you actually watch the video? She was born female.

[@mariorodriguez2713]

The Italian woman got 50k for basically crying and quitting after 40 seconds 😂 and there’s video from another fight where she quit too

[@gamerrapter]

Why's DW news interviewing someone who never stepped inside the ring her entire life about boxing . Pathetic

[@houssembenabdallah6599]

Meanwhile she lost 9 times against other women. If she had lost against the italian, no one will bring this up.

[@TheTwangKings]

Uh... Nature?

[@MrVivi0001]

These Olympic games are a disgrace on so many levels.

[@eliana993]

These accusations are getting wild. I just saw a woman competing in a martial arts get accused of being a man by so many people when all she had was a short haircut and small boobs. 😮

[@nicoled5160]

This person is literally disputing that extremely high testosterone and XY genes is not an uneven playing field for xx athletes.

[@Andre-kg6fu]

Can't post here - no idea if that's KZbin or DW.

[@Andre-kg6fu]

Thanks, liker.

[@honcharolga]

Look at him walking in the street. That's a man!

[@PDXNY]

Maybe have some input from a scientist or biologist in your interview??

[@pacholok]

Expectations in 1924 for a century ahead: humanity will be living on Mars, flying cars, tele-transport, the cure for all diseases. 2024 reality: How can we distinguish men from women? 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

[@anthonyamaro1771]

That's a dude

[@anthonyamaro1771]

Imagine spending $100k on a degree in gender studies and getting this wrong. She should sue that university.

[@solar0wind]

A dude with a female body? Who even the Algerian government (who is traditionally not that ""woke"") sees as a woman? Question: According to your opinion, which gender is a person who's able to give birth naturally but has XY chromosomes? In case you want to say that didn't happen: There's even a case study written in 2008 about a Croatian women that you can find on Google in 10 seconds by looking up "XY woman gives birth" or something similar.

[@81Earthangel]

@@solar0windYou clearly have never seen a female body.

[@ba8e]

The balls

[@bogdar2019]

Biology, my friend. Very simple

[@denisecappella1014]

The girl who beat her in 2022 said she didn't hit harder then any other girl...

[@melindakc7947]

"Finally, in 1999 the IOC agreed to follow the IAAF and remove the requirement for blanket sex testing, so that the Millennium Games in Sydney, 2000, were the first Games in three decades where the genetic make-up of female athletes were not scrutinised." google it. Now the IOC needs to stick to the story of 'maybe s/he has DSD', we (only!) varified the passport

[@lottiemsiska1025]

so do we have to use the laboratory to determine who is a woman? women are suffering.

[@artiartibald9431]

And if Tyson had declared himself a woman, the question is rhetorical...

[@hmgrraarrpffrzz9763]

So Imame got female genitalia since birth and was identified as female by the doctors when she was born. She was raised as a girl, lived as a woman. There is nothing trans about her. I remember a lot of people saying "you are a woman if you've been born with female genitalia and if you've been born with male genitalia you are a man!". According to those people as well Imame is a woman. Might she have different sex chromosomes? I don't know. Could be possible. If so, then yes, for some sports she'd have a genetic advantage. Same as people who've been born with the athletes gene mutation have a genetic advantage in sports. Or how people with above average height have a genetic advantage regarding to some sports like basketball. The question is why you'd ban if she might have higher testosterone levels but not somebody with the athletes gene or increased height or any other genetic advantage.

[@johnrodriguez1927]

"Khelif, from Algeria, has been allowed to compete in the women's boxing in Paris despite failing gender eligibility tests last year. DNA tests showed she has XY chromosomes, identifying her as biologically male." He destroyed the dreams of Angela Carini, a dedicated athlete who worked hard to reach that position. By taking advantage of the physical advantages associated with being male, this constitutes bullying and even physical abuse towards women. Khelif should be officially sued for assault on a female. Where is the feminist movement defending this woman who was abused by a bully?

[@bry4227]

It's impressive how so few people actually delve into the complexities of genetics and truly grasp the nuances of the science, yet everyone here in the comments seems to not only understand genetic variation but also knows exactly what different cultures accept as truth. Absolutely remarkable!

[@worldwatcher5787]

From Israel I just quit this report, thanks.

[@vinodmathew3036]

That is a man. Anybody can see that from the video. No idea why DW is going to Israel to find woke experts. Is Israel now leading country in gender expertise also.

[@news2hedz227]

Looks are not the way to determine a man or a woman

[@disillusioned8686]

I just learned a new scientific fact today. Women can have XY chromosomes. According to this lady that is established science 🤷‍♂️

[@Ramparts2009]

No way , in only ambiguous genitalia. or true hermaphrodite , a person may have both XY and XX chromosome ,this person should not be considered as female, after birth if doctors cannot identify exact gender , she is grown up as a female , because total correction to a male gender is much more difficult, I believe she is a true hermaphrodity, also having XY chromosome

[@LisaFaiss]

I never heard her say that. She was very inarticulate but I think she was referring to xxy chromosome conditions.

[@NiglerNade]

Blood is boiling. How could most renowned sport platform allow such absurdity? Team of Olympic of Paris 2024 must hv gone nuts.

[@ll647]

Question is: it has been a fair match?

[@Dstinct]

The sporting body that disqualified her is basically run by Russia, and they only disqualified her AFTER she beat a well loved Russian fighter. They were fine up until that point. She has also been beaten multiple times by women before, and the Italian fighter has a history of crying unfair when she gets taken out.

[@LarryMendaros]

Booo to IOC.. politicized sports.. I'm harassing..no to next Olympic games

[@faraboverubieskerry]

I stopped watching them after I saw the documentary Icarus and they allowed Russia to compete under a neutral flag. They should have been banned for years and years. I saw the corruption and felt for the athletes who were denied their medals. I can't take the Olympics seriously anymore. Russia played the world for a fool and everything we have in our sports history books for the last few decades was based on cheating...i.e. they wrote our history.

[@faridrezaei8180]

Why she was rejected once? I couldn't understand it well.

[@AviationHandling]

On the basis of "punching hard"???? Imagine both were men and one of them would say "opponent punches so hard" so he should be disqualified as man??? WTF moment in the history we are living.

[@brendahlela]

Or the opponent be tested for Giant's hormones 😅😅😅

[@AviationHandling]

@@brendahlela exactly 😃😃😃

[@jeffrp8388]

"Who defines what female is?" First, wrong question word. It's WHAT defines female. And the answer is DNA, simple. As to "who", that would be the linguists, long, long ago. All words have meaning. Changing definitions is really just slang.

[@rokas_stulga]

female reproductive organs at birth. we can scan people and see if they female or males. only like...0.00001 prc. have both....and thats congenital anomaly. the rest have either female or male organs....

[@zen1647]

But how do you test DNA? What test is 100% reliable? There's more nuance than you apparently recognise.

[@thesilkpainter]

So this person, then, is neither male nor female....Darn. What now?

[@Blodhelm]

@@zen1647 You want to know how to test DNA? You TEST THE DNA. This person failed that test and has XY chromosomes, let him/her fight men if that's what they/them want.

[@zainzoala1083]

😂😂😂😂 And where did you get that research. Don’t think experts agree with you on What is a woman

[@カイナル-w6b]

Paris Olympics is a failure😢

[@ninasfm4556]

Dear DW TV, I had a patient with XY chromosomes , with two government IDs which says he is a FEMALE. It depends on how society look at the issue. Scientifically the patient I had is a male based on chromosome, but by law he is female.