What is Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD)?

[@Crowfeather-lq4nd]

I developed ROGD around 12. The main cause was that I had undiagnosed autism, and therefore had many atypical behaviors and interests that would often align more with my male peers. I'm nearly 15 now, and doing much better mentally and physically.

[@andreaslack8379]

Trans person here and I agree with what is presented here. Compared to when I transitioned decades ago the modern trans ideology makes no sense to me. Now, it seems ones interests and behaviors define ones gender based on gender stereotypes. Aren't stereotypes bad? Even to the degree there is truth in stereotypes, why should someone, regardless of sex, be limited to interests and behaviors of any stereotype? There is no need to change gender for that. Back in the 90s the most serious interventions (social role transition and/or surgeries) were something only the most serious afflicted, the most dysphoric, would do. Now these are on the menu often with little challenge for someone to select based on a gender identification that is drawn from stereotypes and one doesn't even have to be dysphoric. It used to be that there were lots of off ramps one could take to manage their dysphoria. Therapy would delve into other issues and explore treatment options. Now therapy is not necessary because it "isn't a medical issue". Well it seems to me that medicine and surgeries are medical. Not to mention the psychological issues. I also find the adult transitioners that focus on kids bothersome. Too often adults express regrets that they didn't transition sooner cause the hormones would be so much more effective. I can't tell you how many times I seen one of these adults when some new trans exploring kid wanders into the online trans space and tells the kid they shouldn't wait, shouldn't delay because their life will be ruined if they don't do it now. I find that sort of pressure despicable. In my opinion kids should be barred from medical interventions. Much of the trans these days, seem like they are just playing at it. It gets them attention both good and bad. The good attention validates them. The bad attention makes them more part of the "community" and they get to rail against being persecuted. To me, this playing at it seems like a joke and a mockery of those with genuine dysphoria.

[@souxcasa]

I spoke to a trans woman on tiktok about transing kids and said that osteoporosis was a real worry from taking the hormones. she said "if all I had to do was take extra vitamin D to look more like a woman now I would do it". I had to explain that osteoporosis was far more serious than just not having enough vitamin D and no amount of vitamins would stop your bones from breaking. The lack of medical awareness was frightening and the desire to project adult desires on kids. The world has gone nuts

[@iwo612]

I hope that showing my child comments like this will pull us out of this four-year nightmare.

[@souxcasa]

@@iwo612 if I were a religious type I'd pray for you but as it stands I'm not so I'll just hope for you instead

[@andreaslack8379]

@@iwo612 If you have a child that has clung to trans ideology I feel for you. I o course cannot know particulars. There are so many kids who have gotten their mind polluted based on stereotypes. I do not regret what I have done, but my motives were never based on stereotypes and I went thru years of therapy that challenged me and dealt with other issues beyond the trans issue. I am particularly adamant that borderline personality disorder be addressed as that is one of the most prevalent I seen masquerading as trans. The people who know me, I sometimes get calls from parents. These parents are mostly concerned and trying to help their kids. One of the most common questions I get takes the following form "My kid says she wants [this] but doesn't seem to make any effort themselves. A more specific example was kid having sex reassignment (aka Gender reassignment, aka gender conformation) surgery but leaves it up to me. I tell these parents that actions speak louder than words and if their child is leaving it to you, maybe this is your child saying they don't really want this. I say if your child really feels she needs this she would not be passive and would do anything to insure it happens. If your child is not this way, maybe you are pushing your child. Listen not to their words, listen to their actions.

[@eecarolinee]

@@andreaslack8379 Exactly correct. Same experience here.

[@JJColb]

I can give an explanation for the rise in ten years: the rise in the usage of social media algorithms (around 2013-2014) that increasingly encourage social contagions.

[@markrussell3428]

I take your point and I will add the Trans Redit, TikTok and lots of other online sources enabled the contagion but I still see face-to-face social circles impacting ROGD. Buckle in, lets really get into this garbage and hold schools accountable. Its not just the gender instruction and promoting pronouns we also have Genders & Sexualities Alliance (GSA) clubs in schools. No one seems concerned about the potential for grooming???? GSAs are how cult like gender/sexuality conversion therapy effects get perpetuated. If there were clubs promoting a heterosexual lifestyle among children and adolescents being overseen by teachers we would call the police. Instead what we see is a reshaping of language as children explore gender and sexuality in a social "club" environment. Things like “Minor attracted persons” didn’t really take hold in media lexicons, it didn’t distance the terminology far enough from what it actually means. Hence, we now can find “Adult attracted minor” is now being introduced in research and is a "nice" (disturbing) topic. Stay with me: what happens is the new language flips the script and uses the highly effective tactic of victim and oppression to reframe this very sick issue. Children are being made the victims. Children are denied access to something they feel “compelled in their heart and mind” to explore. This is the same narrative akin to their gender journey being played out. The concept certainly makes for a great discussion in school GSA clubs. As stomach churning as this sounds, don’t conflate this as a conspiracy theory. Think about how it came to be considered “acceptable” to put children on a path to a sex change and shifting beyond the internet this is a topic in youth social circles which is why you suddenly see social groups that are ROGD.

[@jamieh.]

Which encouraged and affirmed deviant minded individuals to show themselves and share their ideas to convince other vulnerable children to take these steps, and probably so they won’t be alone in this world. The ones who target kids with these ideas are predators.

[@markrussell3428]

@@jamieh. we should not be so quick to let public education of the hook. Today you will find "social studies" has evolved into gender, sexuality and social justice. Beyond confusion ovdr sex catagories, the focus is indoctrinating the "virtuousness" of activism, fighting oppression and personal entitlement over individual responsibility and accountability for getting a job, career and working.

[@jamieh.]

@@markrussell3428 I believe that. How it’s trickled down from university studies to high school studies, and it will trickle down further because it’s already being done with “social issues”, aka, developing a teenage body. It’s infuriating and sad, and we don’t have to stand for it.

[@markrussell3428]

@@jamieh. Meanwhile young adolescence become confused about "who they are" and are put onto a path to die in anguish and pain at the hands of "butchers" see: Griffin Sivret and Yarden Silveira

[@904daniela]

I have an acquaintance who sat her entire family down to explain to them that she's "queer". Is the a lesbian or bi, no.. She's in a normal heterosexual relationship. She just likes to wear whatever she wants and needs a reason to go to Pride events. (Btw, she's not a teenager, she's in her 30s)

[@linderlindest5373]

This is becoming very common, it's bizarre.

[@jerrylong6238]

@@linderlindest5373 And it is no one else's business either.

[@MadeTheSame]

@@jerrylong6238 If she keeps her queerness to herself it is her business. If she asks her family to treat her differently because she's queer then it is her family's business. If she asks society and laws to treat her differently then it's everyone's business.

[@jerrylong6238]

@@MadeTheSame No, it's never anyone's business but hers, and it's her business who she wishes to share that with. And she probably doesn't want to share it with ole busy bodies such as you, and I don't blame her one bit. People like you just don't know how to mind their own business. Or are too busy minding everyone else's business to worry about your own business. You have got to be a right-winger because the left mind their own business.

[@NNM-sc3rj]

Eeek.

[@sarral2008]

The numbers literally exploded, but only among those who use social media extensively, i e youths. No older folks, which tells us a lot.

[@iwo612]

Well, except for the autogynephilia sick*s.

[@pickupmygroceriespeasant]

What does it tell us?

[@sarral2008]

@@pickupmygroceriespeasant That it is socially contagious.

[@user-br-kd1qg]

Thank you for getting the message out there. I have a "trans" 20 year old son who basically says he doesn't feel like a man and doesn't want society to see him like that and have expectations of him of "man". He is/never was girly in the slightest. Likes women. Is Autistic, socially awkward, and brilliant. He is addicted to reddit and youtube. Always struggled to have close friends. Says his first google search was "can you turn a boy to a girl" when he was about 12. He found "transgender" and off he went obessing about it in secret and on these chat rooms for 10 years but being entirely gender conforming until a year ago. He fits EVERY stereotype that this video talks about. He wants HRT to look more adrogenous and tells us there will be zero bad health affects (according to his online chat groups of course). We are "transphobic" to suggest otherwise. He wants boobs. He has done every line of the "trans" script. "I don't feel safe with you", "trans people will hurt themselves if you don't support them", "there are zero other ways to treat gender dysphoria", "all the major medical associations support this", "I will have to cut you out of my life because you don't support the REAL me", "Transwomen are women". He consantly throws studies at us while discounting anything we send to him. It is exhausting and messed up.

[@Allthatshewantsisanotherbaby]

I feel for you, I’m in the exact same boat with my 20 year old daughter. She too fits the stereotype as shown in this video, socially awkward, bright, arty, addicted to social media and naive. It is a torment for us parents, she has now started taking testosterone. When will this end?

[@claudeyaz]

How is he paying for his health care,? if he's on your insurance plan, if it looks like he's gonna go the surgery route, you might I need to take him off a plan.. That stuff may be a self comfort for him now, but there's no gold tunnel at the end of the rainbow, but it is hard for men, it's very hard for autistic men to find Women.. There is this thing called "can't get a girlfriend become the girlfriend," and they're called fem boys.. It's a whole community on 4 Chan.. And Tumblr. You might want to look at those places to see that kind of stuff your son looks at all day online..traps .. There's another community of people who try and get young men to transition like a competition. They like feboys, in like having that power over people.. There might be someone in your son's friend group that is egging him on like that There's nothing you can do now, he was definitely exposed to certain ideas on the internet way younger then he should have. He needs to find some sort of new hyper fixation, do you remember any of his hobbies from when he was younger, was it space or building things? Maybe try and find some sort of program or something he can join, to get him off of the social media, and neck deep into a new special interest

[@claudeyaz]

Be like" Hey you'll be able to go to this camp, or program or internship that you've always wanted to do, but you gotta wear gender-neutral clothes, and no cell phone or social media while you're there, unless it's one of those flip phones with no internet. But did he have any sort of trauma, severe bullying, or maybe physical or sexual attack that you don't know about? You gotta find some sort of specialist that knows how to look at your computer home network, you need to see what he's into, but do not ever let him know that you saw it, that will violate so much trust, that he will never change his mind.. Very often when an autistic person gets so certain like this, almost all of them I know had a friend who was pushing them to do it, especially if he gives money to any of his friends

[@claudeyaz]

So he's attracted to men? Because almost all lesbians are not into trans women... Even if that's his true self, if he wants to be was a woman that's not a path you should go down, imagine being both trans and autistic, would be really hard to find a partner

[@user-br-kd1qg]

​@@claudeyaz He is out of the house and I think all trust is pretty well gone anyway because I say crazy things like "you can dress how you want but you need to be rooted in reality and you are biologically a boy" or "men can not become women" or "women should not have to share personal private spaces with men dressed like women"🤕 It is insanity. He is brilliant and has somehow rationalized/talked himself into believing this nonsense. He somehow thinks a girl is going to be into him. I think it is the autistic part of his brain not reading how people really see him.

[@chari---zard]

A decade ago that was called propaganda. I think it still is

[@ashh1371]

The description of the teens with ROGD describes me as a teen. If I grew up today I’d probably have other people tell me I’m trans. Back in the early 2000s, my parents bought me a few pieces of boy clothes and I stopped wearing makeup and shaving my legs. I liked being a tomboy. Now in my 30s, I’m a normal straight woman. I love being feminine but I also present my femininity with a little bit of a masculine edge. That doesn’t mean I’m trans or non-binary or whatever. It’s ok to be normal.

[@Viky.A.V.]

Thank you for spreading awareness of this crazyness. It makes perfect sense that kids develop ROGD after some stressfull events. It's a way to "escape" their painful reality, and jump into "someone else's body", as if starting from a scratch. But it's not a way out, it's "in", deeper and more dangerous. I mean, who'd really, really want to mutilate their healthy bodies and be on meds and hormones for the rest of their lives? They need a real therapy. Is there a problem with psychotherapists in the world?..

[@techs120project]

This is truly scary to witness. Poor kids... any adults pushing this, especially educators and psychologists, should be charged with abuse and jailed.

[@jerrylong6238]

It looks to me like the only ones pushing this nonsense is the right-wing religious nutjobs. They are usually the only people wanting to be all up in everyone else's business. We on the left would rather leave other people alone and mind our own business. That is our idea of freedom. If they worried about their own business as much as they do others the world would be a lot better place to live.

[@deepoole820]

A really good sense commentary based on research thank you.

[@halluhmee]

I'm 100% a supporter of trans people, I know some personally and have encountered and worked with others and almost all of them give me no doubts about the authenticity of their gender identity. I'm sure that the rise in trans identity and expression is partially due to it becoming more accessible and acceptable at least in certain societies. On the other hand when I was on TikTok a few years back I fell like I saw some of this, mostly teen girls identifying as either nonbinary or male, and they seemed particularly sensitive and susceptible to feel anger and hurt. It seemed odd that it would happen in friend groups. I know one person whom I met as a young woman who transitioned to male back in 2020 but seems to have been reverting back to feminine expression ( and then complains about people being confused about their gender identity, like what do expect you're presenting as über feminine and you're not on those male hormones anymore so you look like a woman!) I've seen photos of their spouse on Facebook, the spouse is a trans man and I have no doubt that that is real but secretly I do doubt that of his spouse, my acquaintance; I suspect they're just a hurt person who has a lot of powerful feelings, a need to feel special, who fell powerfully in love with someone who uplifted and protected their feelings, and got confused and thought they might be trans too. But either way, I respect his/their decision to declare their gender identity, especially as an adult, and happy to respect it. I'm just saying that I have suspected that the phenomenon this man speaks of is true, too.

[@user-br-kd1qg]

I have a son who believes he is "trans". He never showed any feminine traits growing up. He was not super manly, but not interested in female things nor acted female. Many boys like him are now expecting to go into women's spaces and do not see any issue with it. Women are bigoted for not seeing them as women. He does not have respect for my or any opinion of an uncomfortable woman. Even interacting with him now, he is not womanly even though he thinks he looks "cute" in his giant chandelier earrings and boys clothes. He is brilliant and different and autistic. He is being encouraged and lied to by girls and gay friends at his college that he looks good and is being authentic. These glitter friends will move on. He will struggle to find a woman who wants to date the mess he is becoming. He will struggle to get a job. There are no safeguards anymore. The men who went through this in the past had to go through a lot of hurdles and were based in biology. My brilliant son thinks I am wrong about biology because of some dumb video about seahorses and quotes from trans activists saying that "trans oppression" is like being a black woman trying to go to the bathroom during segregation, like hating your gay son or not wanting mixed grandchildren. Clearly, none of these other situations required society to play make-believe and put themselves in harms way, and they did not require people to become medical patients for life. You being kind to these men just extends the pain that us families are going through as we try to get them the help that they need (like giving money to an alcoholic). As far as I can tell from my personal experience, it is a way for white males to win at the oppression Olympics. Please stop encouraging this behavior.

[@RhiannonPhelangiesDelore]

Thanks Travis!

[@tam68godhelpus86]

Many of these trans kids have been sexually abused. SOMEBODY needs to address THAT!

[@gardener3017]

It's what happens to kids in school when activist teachers get a hold of them.

[@babysis6.059]

It's social contagion, nothing more, nothing less

[@ShoggyPlayTv]

A tomato that says it is an orange is still a tomato. And a woman is your momma

[@babsywoman4212]

We used to call these childeren annoying attention seekers.

[@frankgradus9474]

we've got no idea of what we're going to come up against

[@jerrylong6238]

That's because the right just made all this garbage up, and there is no problem. The real problem is the right-wing hate of anyone different than themselves.

[@Peekaboo-Kitty]

And what will that be? They are mutilated freaks, nothing more. Nothing to be afraid of.

[@babysis6.059]

Actually, we do, a lot of people with medical issues that worsen by the day, a lot of practitioners and parents getting sued, and some even jailed, and an abysmal practice being banned forever

[@WallydarlingEDIT]

What I don’t understand is with this information out there why are governments allowing this to happen to our children? What good can possibly come from this 💔

[@nicovandermerwe2747]

My version. Tiktok should be banned.

[@1984FarmDreams]

Insanity. Praying for us all. ❤

[@hatblocker]

Suddenly, out of nowhere he decided all he needed was to be Rogered or Rogrd, mean a whole different thing

[@AndyJarman]

Mmm, my reading of the Cass report was that a VERY high proportion of ROGD cases were on the autistic spectrum (I remember reading 84 or 87%). Where is autism coming from?

[@souxcasa]

Autism is mostly a genetic condition but sometimes neurological developmental conditions can happen in utero due to environmental conditions. If you're wondering why there's more now there are two reasons. One, there's a better understanding of the condition leading to better diagnosis strategies and two there is a larger cognitive load in the modern world both for executive function and socialising. This leads people to show and experience their autism more who may have flown under the diagnostic radar before being subclinical. The demands of the modern world is making neurodivergent conditions harder to manage

[@Viky.A.V.]

I've listened to some people who's on autism spectrum, as well as psychologists. They say mostly the same: people with autism simply are not able to comprehend the "social norms \ games oles". So, basically they don't get it why anyone should follow gender stereotypes. And if adults tell them they have therefore "gender dysphoria", they believe it (because they don't really have a choice).

[@souxcasa]

@@Viky.A.V. that's a little reductive. It's not that we don't understand why people should follow gender norms it's that most of us are naturally gender non conforming. That may be because we don't pick up on the gender cues as young people but that then is an argument that gender is a construct so I tend to reject that theory. I think it's more to do with a difference of processing information and because of that we tend to move and think differently. If you don't think like your peers as a woman you will be labeled gender non conforming as a male it depends. Male autists tend to fall into male behaviour categories except for a minority who can be more feminine in their movement and expression. I think the driver is simple we are different, we know we're different, society punishes us for being different and every autistic kid needs an answer to make life livable. To be handed an answer like "you're trans" and have that answer celebrated by the people punishing you for being different is a very tempting answer indeed

[@iwo612]

@@souxcasa Neuroinflammation is often the cause that nobody wants to discuss. I’ve met neurosurgeons who don’t have a huge chip on their shoulders and are open minded that deal with PANS/PANDAS. They have commented that when they helped the inflammation that they also cured the autism.

[@souxcasa]

@@iwo612 I've not read those studies. Would be interested in a link if you have one. I've heard of inflammation being linked to depression but not autism

[@singingtree7619]

So the researcher interviewed the parents but not the young people themselves? Hmm

[@8LotusBlossom8]

Indeed, funny. Since the community tends to shut down any talks, research or anything really.

[@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf]

I thought it meant copping it up the bum mate It`s madness

[@jenskruse1475]

Ha ha, is this a joke. The reason more people are seeking treatment is because it has become posible to become your self.

[@MadeTheSame]

Your position seems incorrect because treatment was always available. The treatment was different and even if you believe that the current treatment is much better, people suffering from such a severe condition would have sought it. I should also point that you are allways yourself, you cant be anything other than yourself.

[@SexRealityBites]

Why aren’t people in their mid-thirties or older running to gender clinics? Why is the 4000% increase in trans identified people, teen girls? If it’s safe for everyone to “be themselves” there should be a statistical jump in everyone “finally getting to be themselves.”

[@NNM-sc3rj]

You are yourself. Pretending on the other hand might be fun for some time. I would suggest that this is also not healthy in the long term.

[@FleurPapillon]

Prior to 2015 it wasn't possible for anyone to be themselves because we needed medicalization for that, and most people needed others to teach them about who they are and how to become themselves. Thankfully we have the medical industry to turn people into themselves with extreme health damage & loss of sexual function. I mean, I had gender confusion as a teen, and I knew trans people for 30 years, but none of that really existed because we didn't have people teaching us how we can only be ourselves if we all undergo sex trait modification to remedy gender nonconformity and homosexuality. Because we can't let people be gender nonconforming or be gay/bi, there's medical treatment to erradicate that now. Also, it's important to medicalize people with neurodevelopmental differences, so there's no unique healthy people messing up these boxes we need to fit people into.

[@momma-2two]

I do not agree that you are always yourself. My youngest is one of the many who is ROGD. It is a flip of a switch when they present male vs female. If you have known them since birth or even pre-puberty you can tell when they are not themselves. I wish I knew what to do to snap them out if this side. In their mind, if I ask them to wait I am transphobic. Knowing my child, they will be one who regrets messing up their body.