Gerard and Kingy QUESTION Laura Kane over Petracca management & all the big footy issues - SEN

[@thelotterywiz]

Honeslty she is worse than interviewing a politician. Zero answers...everything is "under review"....how did you and the CEO get the job if you didnt have a clear vision for the game.....AFL needs to get external people in, these answers make it look like the ship is rudderless.

[@GiggleGroup]

Exactly, no solutions, all word salads.

[@GiggleGroup]

Imagine Maynard tackling him again and causing further injury, even worse. Who would be blamed? Laura Kane being ok with this is simply inadequate. Not good enough. Any rib damage needs immediate scans and the equipment needs to be bought and supplied. Ridiculous a head knock is a no-no but unknown internal is a risk they are willing to take. Laura Kane is too vague here.

[@darhman5299]

Equipment bought and supplied? mate they're are hospitals that lack these pieces of equipment. How about some personal responsibility, no need to be a "hero" over a game of football, he should have taken himself off.

[@GiggleGroup]

@@darhman5299 Yeah thats right, all players have to be protected from themselves, just like head knocks or everyone will be playing. The equipment needed for sideline scans are about 2-3 mil regardless of govt not supplying them for hospitals - separate issue, the AFL can afford this.

[@RexAlfieLee]

Funny that you should bring up someone who should've been banned for 12 weeks prior to the grand final last year. He might only have just started back on the field again after finishing off the other guy's career. He jumped up & into the upper body of Brayshaw, basically slamming his torso & head into the ground. Not a deliberate act? By who's measurement? It was disgusting. We need a send-off rule for these acts. When Plugger, playing for Saints elbowed the Swans player, Peter Cavan out of the game with a level 2 facial crash injury, he kicked ten goals afterwards which gave the Saints the win bcos of someone who shouldn't have been playing after he did that.

[@ngaugeistaken]

The player would be blamed, the player has responsibility for their own care, the same as anyone else in society does.

[@robsonbennett-cochrane2004]

There was a moment where dawn kicked it to him and he had howe steaming in for the intercept. Imagine he goes for it and howe goes for another specky. Could've been awful scenes

[@aaronfarley14]

Laura has embarrassed herself enough earlier in the season saying that it was ok to hit an opponent in the head close to the contest but,not further downfield!! I have NO confidence in the incompetent cronies at AFL HQ and all they do is pat each other on the back and blow smoke 💨 up each other’s asses!!!

[@PulauSwan]

You are spot on, potential polly talking waffle. AFL HQ are stifling bullies, and some of their recent history since the ex north bloke and the Bombers saga is a pertinent example , of imbeciles running the asylum.....what was that movie with Jack Nicholson is it??

[@amunt3r]

She is such a spin merchant. Zero willingness to acknowledge anything wrong with a system that prioritises return to the field over player safety. I can't listen to this.

[@adrianbetts3242]

Has zero clue. She is clearly a token appointment by the AFL. The game is heading further down the drain with her in a position of power.

[@RexAlfieLee]

She's talking rubbish. She's probably not a doctor but even the commentators kept referring to how much pain Petracca was in. That the doctors didn't intervene shows their lack of responsibility. I was a player & I was a nurse over many years. I've had many injuries on the field including a broken arm, broken ribs, broken nose several times, plus fingers. I knew immediately when the fingers, ribs, nose & arm were broken. Petracca's constant guarding & doubling-up should have been enough for the doctors to intercede. You're talking about a young man's life & the doctor's inaction in this situation & also the Jeremy Cameron one was unacceptable. & irresponsible. I feared Chris had a pierced lung the way he was moving & I'm not that close as a spectator. I don't barrack for either team.

[@geraldinejackson3961]

Could you please listen to Matthew Lloyd on Footy Classified explaining the system he would have been experiencing, explains this process exactly.

[@tylernich0848]

Laura Kane has 0 clue.

[@martyzocc1380]

SEN you also need to keep asking why the afl lied about injuries to hide drug usage

[@MrSimonKatterl]

This is so bizarre. Such complacency. That the opposition team could see ahead of the doctors is clearly a problem.

[@joshblackmore1206]

It’s disturbing isn’t it. She even says “the process was okay” regarding the doctors assessment of him. What a response for her to give, the process clearly wasn’t ok and that’s why you’re being grilled for answers.

[@anneporter4276]

We could all see it from home! It was shocking that he was allowed to keep playing.😡. This woman should not be defending the negligence of the doctors.

[@mightyricho8526]

If Petracca could not raise his arms over his head, he should never have been allowed back on the field. Melbourne were negligent and the AFL are trying to spin this failure as acceptable. It was not. At all.

[@JakeBozinis]

I was a registered Dr for 9 years before moving industry but I can say I find it really really suspicious that we keep hearing from the AFL, pundits etc but never DOCTORS and I can tell you why. No good doctor would say "I don't have the skills to diagnose a potential internal injury without imaging" because it's not true. Yes we rely on the patient to tell us their symptoms but the mechanism of injury, the obvious injury to successive ribs would immediately make any good doctor suspicious of internal injury. In a non sport setting you would be sent for scans immediately, in a sport setting I understand the hesitation to jump to that immediately however in my opinion there is no excuse for not having him sit in the rooms with a doctor to reassess him at key intervals, 10 minutes, 20 minutes and so on because from what she is saying it sounds like once the independent physician reviewed him he immediately sent him to the ER say 35 minutes post injury. If he had been re tested 5 minutes into the second quarter by the independent Dr I guarantee you he would have been sent to hospital then and there. He was pale, shaking, going into shock on the field and for anyone who has suffered from shock you can imagine how scary that would be to be on the field and feeling that way. All the dr had to say for Melbourne was "Your mechanism of injury is very nasty, I'm not confident you don't have internal injuries, let's re test in 10 minutes and send you to ED if we see no improvement" that's it. The whole issue was avoided, the player gets better pain relief earlier which he clearly needed, gets his scans earlier and the surgeons have more time to stop bleeding. The AFL should invest in imaging equipment at the grounds so doctors can look after players properly and prevent them from being injured further or god forbid passing away.

[@Holden0583]

It was pretty obvious he was in a lot of Trouble. I couldn’t believe they left him on.

[@gfunkera]

This is the problem with putting a lawyer in charge and not an ex-player/coach/footy person. etc

[@gfunkera]

Is the game better or worse since she's been involved?

[@adrianbetts3242]

Worse. Much, much worse. She is awful!

[@mr.freeze2681]

Where was this fuss when Jeremy Cameron played on after his concussion?

[@chrishalious8194]

Concussions are not so easy to process sometimes takes 6 hours to show their depth

[@AvocadoTreeBird]

There were a number of people asking about JC and they still bring it up. The AFL is a corporate machine = zero care for everyday humans.

[@Ghosn]

The AFL keep telling us they have world class doctors and medical staff blah blah, but even the non medical personal watching the game could see Petracca was in real serious strife and needed urgent medical attention.

[@nicholaschamberlain4977]

Wonder what the video removal and edit before 8:02 was about

[@petepowell7399]

it seems to me like certain clubs are hung out to dry when any issue from the medical department happens and others are protected. All medical teams need to have the equipment to make informed decisions rather than educated assumptions...and need to protect the players from themselves.

[@dougtheslug3793]

Sincerely dont understand publicly what Laura Kane’s added to the AFL administration since coming on board. Dont discount her credentials/skills and anything she does internally, but the processes with umpiring, the management and contradictions with HIA, and just general communication and image publicly have been awful. She was at north prior, so surely there’s a Brad Scott nepotism hire sprinkled in there.

[@craighighmore4302]

Blah,blah,blah- a shocking look for the AFL and the medical staff of Melbourne. Complete cop out!

[@luapjb]

She is talking so much shit it's not even funny. King is trying to establish the facts and she uses double speak in her responses hoping that they won't push her for more details. Absolutely embarrassing from a football manager.

[@Rt72366]

My god. This lady is utterly clueless who she’s talking to. Shocking move by management to hire her. The AFL is the most unintelligent organisation in Australia.

[@aidanevans5658]

She is so out of her depth in this role it’s laughable Just a puppet appointment by the AFL majority of people can see she has absolutely no idea 🤷‍♂️

[@Alwaysthinkingatthemoon]

The first video where Laura Kane is basically justifying a ridiculous situation. Everyone knows if he had been hit one more time he's dead, would we still be saying it was all good then? The whole trust us we did everything right is a deflector for the issue especially when you keep invoking dr patient confidentiality. And regarding Dr's always doing the right thing...Dr Bruce Reid....

[@LigmaFoundation]

Laura is the worst

[@patkelly6349]

Exactly. Another smart Alec bird destroying the footy

[@declandouglas9602]

To play devil's advocate. The medical team is coming under a lot of heat, but because of the nature of Petrcca's injuries in that they were ones where the symptoms can be masked by adrenaline and precipitate over time, it is unlikely the doctors knew the full extent of the injuries until they did. So that's why we need to take it out of the players hands because no doubt he would have said "no i'm okay, i'll push through" (like a lot more injuries than the public is privy to) and the only way you can take it out of their hands is to be able to X ray or ultrasound at the game.

[@Cinimod-r3k]

Good question about academy draft picks demo

[@RaviNayyar]

The guy was curled in the foetal position and screaming in pain after the hit. But sure, no one could see that he had an internal injury. Mate, player safety should be governed by the precautionary principle - if the dude is screaming in pain, clutching his abdomen, he doesn't play again for the rest of the game.

[@tb7667]

Can the AFL just make a decision on the draft system? They are so hopeless.

[@jamesmcdonald8534]

I'm no doctor, but it occurred to me watching the game and observing his pallor, that he might have at least been checked for a punctured lung. I personally know the pain of a broken rib and even a bruised rib but what Petracca - an elite physical footballer - clearly suffered was more serious.

[@nicolejacobsen5973]

Plus that he still had significant pain after assumed pain medication/injection.

[@briancampbell4028]

Reminds me of my last manager, what a load of crap! I'm sure she's great at chairing a meeting but nothing else!

[@cozz_a_can1346]

Zero admission it was a bad call all round by docs, player and the AFL for petracca. Clearly trying to protect the game more than the players. If your going to hold the boys on the field as accountable as you are, its time to up the anty on clubs, docs and the AFL for lack of care.. not to mention they get more time on their decisions unlike the split second ones on field

[@malcolm90120]

Kane = turn off, mute or unsubscribe

[@JustinBevis-y5h]

blah-blah If you went to the doctors with Petracca's symptoms (before the "symptoms changed") they would not send you home for half an hour and look at a "list" of symptoms to check

[@sharonrolfe2973]

Petracca should have been removed from the ground, would not have mattered who knocked him, he was unfit to be on the ground. Same as Brayshaw should have been off the ground having his head assessed before the smother incident with Maynard. Melbourne medical staff not caring for their player welfare , concerned about winning only and trying to prove that they are tough after they were questioned following the game against Fremantle

[@master_macchiato3222]

Wtf would Kane know about medical decision making? Give me a break.

[@Rt72366]

How’s the Coates talent answer. My god. Move her on - no one interested.

[@mrmarketpartner]

Good line of questioning and I think the response from Laura Kane was very clear and confident. The doctor and player confidentiality remains just because these guys (and girls in AFLW) are public figures does not change the fact that respect must be shown for confidentiality. Clear, concise and direct. Thank you Laura.

[@johndoe5061]

It was pretty clear that due to the importance of Petracca that they tried to keep him on way harder than an average player, to his own detriment. Imagine if he took another hit to make his injury critical?

[@vigour6786]

@@johndoe5061 Yep spot on John, this could have been much worse. I remember when Port got sanctioned because of their Aliir situation yet this gets the all clear? Doesn't seem right to me.

[@dimitriosfanourakis7016]

Good thing that the Collingwood players were aware and looked after him.

[@7star7storm7]

​@@johndoe5061I dont agree .. Christian is a leader and in the top few players for Melbourne.. they wouldn't risk long term injury and would be confident in Christians judgement of his ability to try and play on.. he's not a rookie ..been playing for nearly a decade.. there's no way anyone knew he was seriously injured and when it was obvious he was really struggling he came off .. Its very rare to see the type of injury he sustained on the footy field..its very common for players to get hurt and push through it .. Everything gets put under a microscope after the fact these days . Its pretty easy to make anything look bad

[@devilgamer1998]

@@7star7storm7 "no way anyone knew" ...except all the pies players that were saying mate, you should go off, and saying amongst themselves that they really shouldnt target him because he was so bad. "when it was obvious he was really struggling he came off" he was out there 'really struggling' for over twenty minutes, if it wasnt obvious in the first 30 seconds, no, before he even went back on the ground, im not sure you were watching the right game

[@benrussian9206]

at the end of the day petracca made the call end of story. why is this an issue? that said Laura kaine is hopeless as a footy ops. no feel for the game and leaving it worse

[@donjohns4878]

She has to go. Too much spin.

[@Luke-er6pg]

What a boring and going nowhere interview! Her voice is typical bland Australian.

[@GanGoz]

So a couple of ex players and a talking head want to create drama over a medical process .......that they clearly know nothing about, leave it to the experts. Thursday night footy disadvantages country fans.......some of us have real jobs, it takes me 3 hours to get to the ground, it robs me of a home game and will rob my club of a membership, I am not paying if I cannot attend.