"GET MAD AND CRY ALL YOU WANT" - 1v3 Vs Niko House, Peter Coffin, Arielle Scarcella | LIVE DEBATE

DEBATE: Destiny debates Niko House, Peter Coffin and Arielle Scarcella at the Better Discourse conference.
Date: 6 Nov, 2021
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The Twelve Spies - Epidemic Sounds (INTRO SONG)
00:00:00 Teaser / Intro
00:00:41 Destiny, Niko House, Arielle Scarcella introductions
00:02:01 Censorship
00:05:55 1st ammendment is important but ppl misapply it
00:07:16 CIA has infiltrated facebook
00:11:09 Peter Coffin sides with Niko House
00:14:40 Website exists because of immunity
00:16:08 "They don't have to be neutral"
00:21:10 Why did they ban it????
00:29:08 Stretching the definition of a publisher
00:34:14 "OMG STFU!" "Get mad all you want"
00:39:14 Plain obvious unless u have a political bend
00:43:04 What would you want for accountability?
00:51:41 What is the CIA for?
00:53:13 Destiny believes big companies should be broken up
00:58:35 People want these companies and services
01:04:15 Q&A
#Destiny

[@destiny]

Destiny attends the Better Discourse conference live debate and gives us a very heated and enjoyable 1v3 debate. 2nd debate panel vs Acual Justice Warrior, Jack Posobiec, Sara Gonzales and the moderator ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2qvoZiErs6mack

[@userSoulguy]

BINGQILIN! Another great video by our NFT loving leader!

[@jacobspeedrunchannel1893]

@@jasso7777 wdym, a publisher is someone who agrees with all the content that gets created on the site, vs a host who doesn’t, it was fairly clear

[@idk-cj2qy]

Have you talked about what happened in the great depression and recession?

[@sgonzo5572]

@No One not really. Im like 25 minute into and niko is really destroying him

[@sgonzo5572]

@@jasso7777 not only that destiny tends to inaccurately frame or say what the arguements are about or what niko is saying. Sometimes he just over looks plain things niko is saying. Its why niko has to repeat himself But niko just address his points with things that actually happened as well.

[@PlatinumWoW]

This is like a normal destiny debate with added reverb

[@TheBostonboy95]

Underrated comment 🔥🔥

[@stuff12341]

AY never thought I would see you here.

[@nickymo3842]

Love your videos man

[@itsallawork5756]

holy shit i knew there was a connection between WoW players and Destiny as i play WoW and watched this debate live lmao

[@ihateyou8006]

H O L Y S H I T I wish there was a mute button in real life.

[@BruskPoet]

>Better discourse “Ironic” -Palpatine

[@user-ls5pg2wd4i]

Took it out of my mouth

[@harrisonthompson]

omg i thought the same thing. the worst discourse with the title of better discourse. XD XD

[@KeyTryer]

Worse Discourse Event

[@blueballedtech]

Exactly, that's hilarious!!

[@mythologue]

Better for people who love drama I guess...

[@ianfowler7787]

Niko House is giving a masterclass on why nobody should be afraid they're too dumb to become a successful political commentator.

[@Other_Jeremy]

Niko is a perfect example of why free speech absolutism is horse shit. People are dumb. In the free market of ideas, the one who wins is the loudest and most confident, not the one who makes the best point. People buy this shit because they truly believe they can't be manipulated, despite psychology/sociology saying otherwise.

[@OriginalMindTrick]

Destiny is one of the best examples as well. Shallow thinker and uneducated. And don't get me started on how bad he is in the debate format . But this is what happens when you become a successful streamer playing video games and at the same time is highly opinionated and naturally argumentative so you venture out into the real world. You see a whole niche of intellectual wannabe's with some small knowledge on a lot of topics trying to Dunning Kruger themselves into the political zeitgest and notoriety. The internet was a fantastic revolution in that it gave a voice to a lot of people that before couldn't be heard. The bad part is that it gave a lot of people a voice that previously couldn't be heard and shouldn't be heard.

[@naoltitude9516]

@@OriginalMindTrick Can you give an example of something he's talked about that he didn't have the necessary education to be discussing?

[@OriginalMindTrick]

@@naoltitude9516 Can you say one topic he is?

[@pbmdh]

@@OriginalMindTrick Music

[@marzzbar]

Niko: "I'm a free speech absolutist" Also Niko: Doesn't give Destiny the freedom to speak

[@Alic4444]

The free speech he wants is the government takeover of private companies, and then to ensure that whatever demagogue yells and lies the loudest can take over the US.

[@hurkamur1]

@@Alic4444 excellent summation

[@Driaan]

😂😂

[@Blankfbuser]

I mean Steven does this to everyone all the time. He got a taste of his own medicine this time

[@theasiang0d]

@@Alic4444 um, isn’t he arguing literally the exact opposite of government control?

[@bobit2000]

Imagine having a big ass sign with “better discourse” written on it, and then putting niko house in front of it. Best troll ever.

[@Kloutkulture]

LOLOLOLOL

[@Scardor]

True. Also written*

[@bobit2000]

@@Scardor fixed. Thanks.

[@kinglarry3727]

haaaa “BetterDiscorse” *Niko verbal airhorn noises”

[@whitegirlsaremykryptonite5779]

Lmaoo

[@TheTheawesomeguy35]

I love how destiny has an ironically adopted the fanatic strategy of repeating the first few words of his sentence until everyone shuts up so he can continue, it is very effective

[@DreamFactories]

I noticed that too 😂😂 love it

[@Malum95]

what else are you gonna do when your opponent is yelling into the mic every time you try to say something, besides walk away?

[@ab8817]

when i got to sweden

[@interycreeper1152]

when i got to sweden

[@MrNubDanish]

Ironic that in better discourse he has adopted these aids tactics

[@KobeniGaming]

if you ever feel useless, remember that this debate had a moderator

[@coriiiiii2558]

Literally THE WORST moderator I have EVER SEEN! Absolutely abysmal

[@Psycholosopher]

No fucking way… I would’ve slammed my mic on the floor and walked out after being interrupted that many times especially if there’s a fucking moderator.

[@Yungpino]

This needs to be pinned

[@Sir_Gabriel_OfTheWest]

Holy shit this made my day

[@mrspudatohead7782]

I love the way Destiny always matches the energy of the most extreme person, even in an IRL panel

[@butteredchefcheeks928]

This comment deserves way more likes

[@Jafethh]

Chadstiny asking Nico to look at him and not the audience is an absolute Sigma move

[@johnathanreyes118]

its awesome because most of these conservatives love playing to the crowd instead of engaging with the argument. destiny reeling his stupid ass back in the conversation when he was looking to the audience for validation was such a good move

[@poadude]

Wait time stamp and I’ll give you all my social cresit

[@poadude]

Mistype 😭

[@tyllere8362]

@@poadude 23:23 in case you haven't found it already

[@trailsdetails4061]

@@johnathanreyes118 I meannn people on both side of the political spectrum do this. Not fair to generalize and say 'oh it's mostly just this side that does it'

[@rinka4560]

Man Niko is such a horrible debater. Bad practices, driven by ego, and loves to talk loudly.

[@the-renegade]

Found out he's subscribed to Jimmy Dore... The shit he was espousing makes sense now. 😒 He's that type of "leftist," ugh.

[@mattcoakes5682]

I came to this comment section to express that, but couldn't say it better myself.

[@shellyseymore6249]

@@josh_harrison Or Niko, they are conservatives in every way but name. Their content is literally right-wing conspiracy theories, anti-vaxer, attacking Dems relentlessly, and either ignoring Republican fu*kery, or shamelessly defending it. They normalise and often work with far-right groups, like the Boogaloo Bums, and Niko, I *think* did a cosy little documentary with some Neo-Nazi POS. When Niko screams like a petulant child about 'cancel culture' and 'censorship' he's not worried in the least about anyone on the left... He's worried about Trump, and conservative commentators. I'm willing to wager he has *NOT SAID A SINGLE WORD,* about the right trying to ban children from receiving an honest, robust, high quality, and well rounded education. Right wing media and Republicans officials are literally force-feeding conservative PARENTS, conspiracy theories, propaganda and brainwashing them into believing that their children are be made to have age inappropriate lessons, on LGBTQ issues, and parents are being cheered on, for their abuse of teachers and the school board. They literally want to have full control of what *everyone's* children are allowed to be taught, they are trying to indoctrinate kids with conservative, Christan, ideologies. But Niko, Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate and the rest of Faux leftist, Right-wing apologists, have ZERO to say about it. They just want Trump to be able to insight riots, because they care ONLY about getting money and attention.

[@Kloutkulture]

@@the-renegade Does he charade as a lefty? I don't know his history but his channel looks borderline Alt-Right.

[@cajunguy6502]

He is one of those people who Watched Destiny or Vaush and thinks he can use their tactics WITHOUT using his substance. If you're going to talk over some, at least SAY SOMETHING. Don't keep screaming "I'm not playing this game" You may as well let them talk and then deconstruct why its a game.

[@709321]

For a free speech absolutist, Niko sure likes to limit Destiny's speech...

[@nklivio]

TRRRUE!

[@rowlissthebenigndrow3145]

Awwww are we crying ? Is that a wootil tear coming down your face? Awwww!!

[@dead3y3_YT]

I know this is a joke so I’m wasting my time, but I just wanted to say that I don’t think freedom of speech really applies to talking over each other in a debate. I say this not because most people think that it does in debates, but more because it seems like freedom of speech in debates is sometimes stretched super far to make the opposing side look bad by both sides. As in, when people accuse each other of being hypocritical for supporting free speech while saying people shouldn’t say certain things. "Yes they should have the right, but no they shouldn’t act on that right" is an obvious response. "Shouldn't" in the moral/ethical way, not the legal way. But yeah Niko seemed pretty unreasonable here. Also to the guy above me, I think “wittle” is the spelling to the fake word you’re looking for. You could even get away with “Weetle” maybe, but what the f*** is Wootil? Seek help.

[@s7d788]

Didn't Niko literally work for the Russian governmet?

[@Matt-tc6ys]

@@rowlissthebenigndrow3145 no, looks like it's just you... and wtf is a wootil?

[@mood1676]

“So Niko, this problem needs solved, how would you do that?” Niko: “i would solve the problem.” “Ya, how?” Niko: “by finding a solution to the problem.” “Ok, what would that look like?” Niko: “it would look like the problem but like... solved.” .... i have a feeling this will be the whole debate.

[@chiron9536]

Correct

[@puffdaddy69]

One of those ones that likes the sound of his own voice and just repeats shit he hears from someone else. No original thought or concept

[@firerocket7343]

Holy shit, Niko made Peter Coffin a likable person comparatively.

[@jaybayer3670]

Neeko lmao

[@firerocket7343]

@@jaybayer3670 Sorry, brain rotted for playing too much LOL.

[@ataridc]

The most bizarre thing is Destiny, the liberal, is arguing against the same talking points from a conservative, a communist, and a ???? I dunno know Neeko is

[@firerocket7343]

@@ataridc A Tulsi supporter.

[@SonicDeeHedgehog]

Peter Coffin offered nothing in this discussion.

[@lawrence4301]

It's cool to see that they invited Peter Coffin's girlfriend to this event.

[@wotdahek3949]

@@Thanosdidtherighthing I’m super convinced he is despite gameranx coming out and saying it wasn’t him. I believe they made a statement anyways. But I’m 100% sure he is

[@kpdrrn32]

Hahahaha

[@JewTube001]

@@Thanosdidtherighthing he must be. the speech patterns are way too similar.

[@Darragh119]

Stole that from wickedsupreme from the subreddit feelsweirdsman

[@LoudestHoward]

I thought it was nice they let her stand by him on stage for support too, should've got her a chair though poor gal.

[@nyaxellemonte4230]

It feels like Niko's whole goal this debate was to not let Destiny talk as much as possible. Incredibly frustrating to have someone come in with what feels like strong desire to not have a productive conversation. The moderator should have stepped in multiple times there.

[@anactualcloud]

The moderator is on on the grift.

[@carlosperalta1714]

"Better Discourse" is a joke as far as I can tell. If they actually cared, they would set a time limit for rebuttals and cut off mikes for those who rudely interrupt as a time out.

[@deanlockyer2981]

For a Free Speech absolutist Nico House was pretty consistent in trying to censor Destiny.

[@skullingtonfx4441]

It's because hes funded by the KGB 😂

[@deadteddybears_7302]

@@skullingtonfx4441 right?! Did you see how RED his pants were?

[@ParistonHxH]

Right?😂

[@luckycamera]

Destiny does the same and he thinks he knows everything. I side with Nico.

[@DANGER10101]

" i believe in more speech but if i can't argue against it then I raise my voice and start shouting "

[@brandonislemons]

Holy duck 10 mins in and this Niko dude is already claiming that the CIA is responsible for every successful business in the last decade

[@chriswinkler4663]

guess we finally found a country where socialism works

[@nicmoo588]

Wait did he say Peter Thiel was CIA? Wow. That’s a new one.

[@DudokX]

He is also a RT contributor which is a government funded media organization lol

[@MsSplasch]

its funny it took me one google search to find out that its a company, from the CIA that gives out riskloans basicly, it wants to further technical advances and for that reason they invest some money in companys. idk why he thinks its unlimited money

[@lordhelix2760]

@@MsSplasch I didn't even have to look it up to know that I was most likely loans or some kind of government funded program. The UNLIMITED FUNDING kinda hinted that he had barely any knowledge of what he was talking about.

[@ChompusSupreme]

Destiny: Niko said ONE thing right earlier Niko: I didn’t say that, I didn’t say that

[@djmareep5918]

43:23 "Oh my god I'm sorry did I just interrupt your interruption of my answer to his question? I'm sorry." was my favourite part of the panel.

[@YourService977]

how to beat destiny in a debate; yell "PAUSE" every time he starts talking and stun lock him until he concedes. EZ clap

[@alyx669]

And never make eye contact to assert dominance

[@chanr9531]

Beta female streamer gets destroyed by alpha debater. Amazin

[@mynamejacob8678]

He didn’t have his pvp trinket to break out of it.

[@AchillesThePeacemaker]

"WHAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO!... WHAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO TODAY DESTINY!... IS EVER SPEAK WITHOUT ME SCREAMING OVER EVERY SINGLE WORD YOU TRY TO SAY!" Edit: it was the "you've made me tired" of this debate. Same energy.

[@elmerfudd856]

Once he's stunned you kick him from the panel or take his mic

[@lordmcawesomeville5628]

“HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO A COUNTRY OUTSIDE OF EUROPE?!” Destiny: Yes

[@Seaneey]

He embarrassed tf out of himself with that.

[@penjamin1479]

Lmao.

[@BlondeCyborg]

Moving onnnn…

[@kingman186]

I legit thought that "bro..." would be followed up with "Taiwan isn't a country"

[@aidanhennessey5586]

America

[@lin1992]

When Destiny started listing countries he’s been to that aren’t in Europe, Niko had to pause and laugh nervously

[@VARMOT123]

Timestamp please ?

[@joshdoesntcare3939]

That was my favorite part. "Bruh.... hehehe..."

[@Journeyman2585]

This Niko person is insufferable. Literally impossible to have a productive conversation with someone who thinks that is communication.

[@janeallgood9833]

you think he left thinking he killed it, then got home and yelled over everyone who told him otherwise until he decided the only explanation was youtube elites created a grand new conspiracy that edited him to look stupid.

[@shellyseymore6249]

Niko doesn't have the intellectual capacity to debate. He's so insecure when he's out of his depth, that he starts acting like a tough guy, making an absolute fool of himself.

[@gttryhyujytudtgjghjdcjdg998]

Typical african

[@fredchou123]

@@gttryhyujytudtgjghjdcjdg998 woah, where the fuck does that come from.

[@shellyseymore6249]

@@fredchou123 All of his comments are messed up. He *clearly* didn't get hugged enough by his mother... 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@CuZtuga]

@@gttryhyujytudtgjghjdcjdg998 you gotta step up your trolling, shit's weak

[@RedRag684]

@@CuZtuga idk yall look kinda triggered over here.

[@garchomp3136]

Buffstiny is much more aggressive and will not accept interruptions. This new form is frightening.

[@historydude2743]

It’s not even his final form….truly terrifying

[@melonmazing515]

He's powering up.... we aren't ready...

[@kiritimatiswan1986]

He starting to evolve, soon he will surpass vaush physically

[@lordfifth3106]

@@kiritimatiswan1986 I’m not sure vaush is buff

[@kiritimatiswan1986]

@@lordfifth3106 I never say buff, stop publishing my comment

[@Nirvasaha]

Destiny is way more intrusive when talking to them, and I love it. Countless times we have seen Destiny not finish his sentence because of his opponent cutting him off everytime he tries to make a point. Finally it feels like a breath of fresh air

[@Marqrk]

Well some of it has to do with this being live. If he was on an online debate he’d have gotten muted or the other person would have gotten muted, and he also would have his piano debate tactic to keep himself from flying off the handle Here he can’t be muted and can basically go all out and has no restraints

[@slowyo9645]

I'm pretty far right but Destiny completely obliterates Niko. Also, first and last time that I'll ever hear Niko talk again.

[@052947065]

The greatest argument for Internet censorship is giving red pants guy a microphone and livestreaming him holding the caps lock key everytime someone disagrees with him speaks

[@laurendaryani4893]

Mod: "You're like the tennis guy that's running around and hitting his own balls" Niko: "I can do that. I'm that good" I'd expect no less of an answer from a self-absorbed conspiracy theorist🤦‍♀️

[@hakemate7005]

I think Coffin is the one that hits his own balls

[@thecpalumbo]

@@hakemate7005 LMAO

[@evolution__snow6784]

@@hakemate7005 holy shit 10/10 meme

[@menelikm9779]

@@hakemate7005 AHHAHAHAH

[@RamzalTimble]

His balls are complaints and his racket is no ability to problem solve.

[@D-AVGGamer]

Nico is a prime example of how the dumbest person can dominate a convo by talking the loudest and drowning out everyone else bc they interrupt everyone else.

[@mergenocide]

Ironically he is the best proof against his idea that "correct" ideas float to the top.

[@greyman8335]

imnotracistimnotracist okay? I am not a racist xP, im not a racsit But isn't that most black people in debates in general?

[@tikicantlane]

@@greyman8335 ?no what

[@VampyNatural]

​@@greyman8335 no. That's racist

[@popoloboiterry]

​@greyman8335 no that's not racist. it's definitely race based prejudice but not racist

[@chrismills7703]

Destiny : **has been talking for almost five full seconds** Niko: time to start yelling

[@Lord_Nordan]

The fact that this event is called "Better Discourse" is extremely ironic. Niko is totally unhinged. He seriously needs to learn some decorum. His behavior does not help his argument at all.

[@AdamX1124]

Niko: Facebook has unlimited government money Also Niko: We need to hit Facebook in their pockets by letting Alex Jones sue them

[@trobins4473]

*Make a drinking game for every time he says “unlimited funding”.

[@Alic4444]

@@trobins4473 You'd end up almost as incoherent as House.

[@SonicDeeHedgehog]

I like how Niko was like "What did Alex Jones even do?!" Seriously?

[@andrewstrycker9374]

If facebook has access to unlimited government money, why do they need to sell our info or advertising space? Like, wtf?

[@johnbauernfeind8116]

Absolutely, the funding info would come out in crt of law

[@Tanzara]

Niko unloads 10 points in rapid-fire that are all about some crazy conspiracy theory Destiny says one word and this dude instantly starts screaming. Watched it live was mostly annoyed I couldn't hear destiny's points.

[@prometheus3498]

To be fair, both Destiny and this Niko guy constantly interrupted each other. With that being said, Niko seems profoundly undecided on these topics which is baffling considering he had time to prepare.

[@timofcent1]

​@@prometheus3498 Nah, I'm gonna have to hard disagree. Niko went in hard immediately, and Destiny had to gradually get more aggressive to finish a single point. Every single time Destiny got 10 words into literally any point, the Niko dude had to butt in with some bullshit. Destiny said this a couple times and I think it was on point: "Oh, I'm so sorry I interrupted your interruption of my point." This might be the most I've been annoyed watching a debate, and I don't think both of them are culpable.

[@aes0p895]

@@timofcent1 Niko House seems like a black belt of debate interruption. It was honestly the most obnoxious thing I've seen in a while, partly because it was seemingly working.

[@irritatingtruth9121]

To be fair, BOTH did it. And yes! It is ANNOYING!

[@milkcourier1224]

@@irritatingtruth9121 no one denies that they both did it rather they're pointing out the source of the problem

[@benmarchand8278]

Despite how incredibly frustrating Niko was here, the moderator was worse by allowing it.

[@OriginalMindTrick]

It takes two to tango here. Destiny was his usual obnoxious self and triggered Niko for sure. It should have been kept under control better, or preferably just not invite these two next time.

[@CharlesVelazquez]

This didn't age well for those who were arguing against destiny once the Twitter files showed Twitter rejecting a lot of the government's request. It's also crazy to me how people redefine words on a whim like this. Saying Facebook is a publisher because of moderation and Algorithms is crazy.

[@RealFreedomMG]

This was more of a 1v1 between Niko and Destiny. I don't think the other two were ready for a heated debate lol All I learned from Niko though is I need to do a tech/social media business start up and cash in on that unlimited money the CIA are offering.

[@Nightknight1992]

plus they wont even tax you, even though they run the company. big brain moves.

[@davidjohnson5557]

The other two probably thought it was going to be a more a organized format considering the title of the show is Better Discourse III :p

[@Kloutkulture]

Lmao

[@rowan1275]

@@davidjohnson5557 Cant be better discourse when Niko gets so mad at Godstiny for his powers, couldnt even make legit relevant points his rage was fuming too hard out his ears at Destiny xD couldnt make sense of most he was saying too much chaos not enough sense

[@TheSilentSoprano1]

the funny thing about that stupid facebook isn't private point is that peter thiel didn't get involved until facebook was rebranded to "thefacebook" and was already extremely popular in the Boston area colleges. He was one of the co-founders of Paypal so it would make sense he was looking for a myspace alternatives. And if Facebook is suspected of being financed by the CIA simply because it's in Accel's portfolio, you could argue the same about every single company in the portfolio: Groupon, Kayak or Etsy! Who knew the CIA was behind the home-based craft trade economy! Scandalous.

[@MemekingSupreme]

Wow this Niko guy is absolutely insufferable to listen to. Not only is he slinging transparent conspiracy theory and propaganda (especially appropriate with his links to RT, the Russian propaganda machine) but his "debate behaviour" is so obnoxious. Incredibly performative and loud.

[@imitationkrabbe3268]

The yelling hurt my damn ears. Destiny raised his voice in response, but never to that level

[@metroidfoosion73]

Squidward: People talk loud when they wanna act smart, right? Niko: CORRECT!!!

[@ephre]

Niko is a free speech absolutist that wants people to face accountability on Facebook. I'm confused.

[@dmvbawse4265]

Love how niko house screams even when he has a mic. Jesse lee Peterson would say “that’s yo momma talking”😂😂

[@dmvbawse4265]

@@Thanosdidtherighthing amazin

[@Kloutkulture]

BAYDUH

[@komlat253]

haha he would tho haha.you know that one a woman gets mad haha.JPL is crazy as f bro

[@noheartx9992]

He clearly has anger. An obvious woman trait

[@dmvbawse4265]

@@komlat253 he’s insane, I once heard him say “the devil comes out from within a woman” lol

[@glitchboard9452]

Niko's breakdown of "reform 230" literally boils down to the same level of analysis as "People die in car crashes. Why don't they just make roads that people won't crash on?"

[@christophergreen6595]

Next level up: 'there are a lot of car crashes near construction zones. We could surely reduce the accidents by stopping construction.'

[@dininelbourne]

Precisely. Destiny asks for the particular reform that would address the issue, and Niko's idea is to just write it in such a way that makes the bad thing stop. It's so painfully obvious to him that everyone is an idiot for not seeing it. Unbeknownst to him though is that everyone has already arrived at and moved past his point of contention after realizing the complexities and nuance that are completely invisible to him. Confidence in idiocy is perhaps the most destructive condition to ever affect the human mind.

[@DANGER10101]

So stupid yeah

[@penjamin1479]

Just make crashing illegal.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Based answer: abolish personal ownership of vehicles. Public transportation only. No more car crashes :)

[@WordUser]

Bro really thought he knew destiny personally from this panel

[@trobins4473]

“I didn’t get to finish making my argument” “when you stopped talking you weren’t done?” Haha

[@321erup123]

Niko is such a clown, really bummed I had to learn he exists.

[@Kloutkulture]

LMAO

[@narva5440]

This is painfully accurate

[@chrisjernagan3324]

Before this debate I had never heard of niko. I have destroyed brain cells now that I will never get back from listening to this man. It hurt.

[@nad1ax2]

The CIA would stand to redeem themselves from all their past misdeeds if they somehow managed to have Niko banned off all social media platforms

[@michaelkapelis287]

He's a great psyop.

[@mitloppas3559]

“Better discourse” any time Steven tries to engage with Niko in a genuine conversation Niko cries like a baby.

[@Val3y]

“We need to reform 230” “How?” “Well we should reform it” “How?” “REFORM IT!!!!!”

[@frankiemiller5364]

Niko destroyed his own arguments again and again. Destiny didn’t even have to try here 😂😂

[@chocolatMouse]

Not even 10 minutes in and Niko proves himself to be a crazy conspiracy theorist.

[@Hbizzjohnson]

He is unbearable ....

[@evolution__snow6784]

@s p y d e r yeah I love racing

[@lDubstepTime]

​@s p y d e r and?

[@Kloutkulture]

He's like a black Tim Pool

[@CuZtuga]

@s p y d e r lmao workshop your shit please

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Nico is the kind of person where I just say "yeah you're right" and walk away.

[@cliffdraco1771]

Yeah, you're right

[@Zach-cn4lb]

What’s the point of having a moderator if they never moderate when necessary?

[@docknocks7925]

Destiny is gracefully aggressive. He’s become far better at these public events over time

[@gve-tp1kd]

I don’t have Destiny’s patience. I would have only mocked him. “You’re so right Niko. But it’s useless. You can scream all you want but the CIA is always watching. You think you’re changing minds? These people are paid actors and i’m a special agent. Go ahead Niko this is streaming to straight to HQ”

[@ravenecho2410]

lmfao

[@afroprince5262]

😂😂😂😂 I don’t even know you and you’re my favorite person now lol

[@Dovahkiif]

“How do you reform 230?” “We reform it by keeping it the same but changing it” “How?” “It’ll go through a process and committees and a process” Lmao I didn’t know it was so easy

[@Marqrk]

Not to mention when Destiny brought up that it would kill a lot of sites his comeback is “we’ll just remake it so it doesn’t” and refuses to elaborate further

[@hazzardalsohazzard2624]

I think he might be trying to say that section 230 needs better enforcement to deal with political bias. But that might be more sane than he was.

[@lyrrr.8059]

@@hazzardalsohazzard2624 Yeah but HOW. Everyone has different views about political bias.

[@andrewstrycker9374]

He legit sounded like the commie larpers. "We don't know how to do it, but trust us, it will go thru central committee and bring utopia!"

[@Hi_Im_Pangas]

man, you just get into discussions with the best people who listen to your argument and present their own with respect. every. single. time.

[@TheRamendude]

Everyone trying to talk over each other made getting any sort of information or meaning from this panel absolutely pointless and there was no good educational reason to watch this. 10/10 content. Keep up the good work, Steven

[@crazymonk27]

How long before Destiny accurately describes Niko house as psychotic? Also fucking shitty yet not surprising that Peter sided so easily with Niko regardless of how crazy he acted. Most importantly Arielle was the actual moderator and the way she made the mod step in and actually do his job was hilarious!

[@lordhelix2760]

Bruh we all know that this is what they wanted.

[@takeshi2449]

You can still make good points despite being slightly impetuous

[@Investigamer]

Nikos inflections and constant annunciation if every word like it was important reminds me of a male Karen that guy was obnoxious

[@exTro95]

Didn't he basically do that? He explained in a video before that if someone rambles on and says the same stuff over and over that he describes them as 'psychotic'. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5WcpmdmoNqsldU in the Post debate thoughts. At 52:25 he basically refers to it directly to him where he repeats the same stuff again and calls it a 'loop'.

[@Phil.Anthropy]

@@exTro95 I think they were more looking for it to be done live and in person to his face. But yes they did miss destiny already doing this

[@Jabrils]

yo why does that Peter dude sound like I am watching a political Gameranx episode? 🤔

[@r.aumont6408]

mans getting to much money from the cia

[@TapDat52K]

It’s a popular fan theory within the Gameranx community, that Falcon’s secret identity “could be” that Peter…But they have a contract that protects the identity of Falcon. So nobody knows for sure.

[@keithfilibeck2390]

@@TapDat52K I mean it is, he has a distinct voice and speech patterns, the REAL question is why is Coffin so connected, why is this loser invited into whatever, Daddy's money I assume.

[@cami5173]

@@keithfilibeck2390 it can’t not be him, I had to go check my stream yesterday because I thought the stream ended and started a gameranx video. There’s absolutely no way it’s not him.

[@Yoshimitsu4prez]

He’s definitely Falcon. Check out the video of him kicking himself in the nuts it’s great

[@mikejames4691]

A true sign that you're losing a debate is when you need to shout overtop of a guy speaking so he stops because you're unable to listen and learn. Destiny does a great job of being patient, waiting to speak and not talking over everyone.

[@tonydorsett33]

This guy Niko, ironically made his own argument against his own position. Misinformation and conspiracy theories are dominating actual scientific evidence and real info.

[@Alic4444]

It's basically the end of the world if wastes of space like him (and many others) continue to gain prominence while discourse deteriorates. Just a matter of time before heads of state start saying "F it, even if I start a war we just blame it on the others and whoever yells the loudest is right in the end."

[@krombopulos_michael]

Yeah I thought the same. This guys idea of "free speech absolutism" is flooding everyone else with so much bullshit that they can't ever even get a word in edgewise.

[@Yeezus-hk7se]

Destiny has so much willpower, I would’ve just given up and walked out

[@tamashorvath7954]

I'm at 22 minutes rn and I'm not sure i can continue i wish i could strangle this dude through the display at this point in a videogame of course destiny's patience is insane

[@MMAGamblingTips]

@@tamashorvath7954 It’s maddening

[@Marqrk]

@beast machine destiny counters him super hard every time but the guy is just on loop every time because he can’t fathom the idea that his original point is wrong

[@hippipdip]

It’s wild to me that Destiny was the only person on stage pushing back against insane unlimited CIA funding talking point dude kept bringing everything back around to.

[@jumpoutatree]

They didn't wanted to be shouted at.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

@@jumpoutatree beydas

[@roymarshall_]

Lefties like using the CIA as a scapegoat too

[@hippipdip]

@@tarfielarchelone2674 amazing!

[@xXLancelotXx98]

The other 2 probably dont care if it's true or not cause it fit their narrative

[@cplgsleight1661]

After an hour I still don’t know where this unlimited funding is coming from.

[@HauntedHarmonics]

No one: Niko: 👉🏻😫👈🏻

[@LamesAMA]

Niko's views on free speech are pretty well demonstrated on this panel, he cares that his speech can be elevated over other people constantly at the expense of everyone else's speech.

[@drdoomer8553]

Red pants guy made horrible points. Almost nothing he said actually had to do with whether or not private businesses are private. Private companies having an affect on the election doesn’t make it government ran. Private businesses having a large affect on the economy and job opportunities doesn’t make it government ran. What is he even talking about?

[@SandNebula]

Unlimited funding

[@Nightknight1992]

after his first rant on the cia running facebook amazon and tesla i was reminded why destiny wants to know the conspiracy theories before the debate. how the fuck do you dispute such a thing without sources???

[@dumpstercat4748]

He really had trouble understanding the concept of a private business, I think his worst point was the “infinite money” rant lol

[@andylawlzz]

he's saying that the private companies that are all on top are secretly government funded and therefore not private. conspiracy nutjob

[@Toxodos]

"red pants guy" lol he's the only black guy on the panel, its ok dude, it's descriptive

[@reverb9651]

Arielle sounds like she turned up to class without the slideshow and is winging a whole presentation.

[@Visitant69]

"People should just all be allowed to put information out there and you just choose" This is literally the thing we've been learning, since the release of social media, is the reason we have isolated groups of people who believe stupid stuff. They join echo chambers of people who believe the world is flat. We won't fix the issues social media has brought into society until we learn how to stop people from having clearly provably false statements amplified.

[@xsagradoxcorazonx]

This Niko guy seriously seems insane. It’s like realizing that these twitter people are actually real, holy shit.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

Niko's not just a twitter person.

[@michaelkapelis287]

@@tarfielarchelone2674 He's a psyop.

[@anactualcloud]

@@michaelkapelis287 it’s true. He is a franchisee of the Dore left grift Putin funded business model for electing republicans.

[@simulation8146]

He gave me brain cancer.

[@ProjectfullCurcit]

@@anactualcloud lol Dore is as based as Destiny.

[@cosmic1229]

Niko's talking points are all conspiracy theories lol, "PAUSE"

[@dreamspique844]

He said unlimited money so much he almost summoned it

[@jackgenre11]

conspiracy theory a term created after the assassination of JFK by the F.B.I. as people asked awkward questions. Read up on project mocking birds a program set up by the F.B.I.

[@dreamspique844]

@@jackgenre11 conspiracy theories depend on assumptions that one will refuse to question as it will hold up and hold together all of the rest of the so-called facts, unlimited money isn't one of these clear facts we all agree on it's the Assumption you have to use to make the rest of the theory 'work', the line and the difference between a factual proven conspiracy and the theory of one with only circumstantial evidence and wishful thinking

[@jackgenre11]

@@dreamspique844 Now a theory is basically deductive reasoning based on certain factors evidence, available data and pattern probability. Now conspiracies do exists on all levels of life from people working together to surprise someone someone with a gift too iverthrowing a regime. Now he pointed factual point an off shoot of the F B.I. that has an agency that interested heavily into these companies. That then after breaching the agreement that give the certain protections not having those protections removed.

[@jackgenre11]

@@dreamspique844 Now nothing is unlimited but as a literary tool it hammered the point home that the government has the wealth of a nation behind their actions.

[@jedimaster0911]

As a conservative, watching these other clowns on stage not defend a private company's right to moderate their own platform is the highest level of cringe...

[@supergoku355]

Destiny is an absolute fucking chad. Strolls up on stage, full shouting match mode, NO WATER IN SIGHT? THIS MAN QUENCHES HIS THIRST WITH THE BLOOD OF HIS ENEMIES.

[@jakecruise90]

Niko debated Vaush, and he was so obnoxious and incoherent, Vaush couldn't continue the debate for more than 20 minutes.

[@dumpstercat4748]

I don’t understand why they didn’t just cut Niko’s mic off.

[@nemesiszer0708]

He’d just accuse them of violating the first amendment

[@harry426]

@@Thanosdidtherighthing There was a moderator?

[@distrom-sc254]

This niko guy is a joke this is just like an hour of this guy embarrassing himself

[@KatiesArabVision]

I have so much respect for Destiny he just goes for it no holds barred completely speaks his mind that’s what I like. I don’t have to agree or align with all his views to respect that he is just very authentic and I appreciate that.

[@rome-tk5vd]

why i watch dest, seems genuine

[@LordDungeonMaster]

I love how this became insane almost immediately

[@jameskilgour387]

Destiny: "So -" Niko: "WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THATS INSANE?" [Goes on 5 minute monologue] "Moderator":

[@timofcent1]

Moderator: *Turns and gives a look of disapproval while the dude continues to steamroll* The moderator seems like a nice enough guy, and I know I'm biased. But I really wish they would've pulled that Niko dude's mic until he stopped interrupting.

[@aes0p895]

The moderator let that happened then would turn to someone else for a response like wtf lol. Terrible moderator.

[@Kitusser]

The mod probably wasn't ready for it to be that heated I'm guessing@@timofcent1

[@keely-lornekirby7370]

It’s funny seeing how engaged this niko guy is when someone who he agrees with speaks as apposed yo whenever Steven speaks. The second Steven starts speaking and trying to articulate his points, niko starts screaming over him, but when ever one of the other panelists is speaking he’s looking at them waiting patiently and fully taking in the information they’re presenting. It’s toxic af. As I’m continuing to watch this I see all the other panelists looking at Steven when he speaks and Niko just looking out into the crowd.

[@andrewc0134]

10 minutes in and the “free speech absolutist” sure is trying his hardest to not let Destiny speak freely

[@Marqrk]

Free speech for him but not for anyone else

[@criticalplus]

Niko thinks being loud makes him right.

[@thisvampireheart1]

The Dunning-Kruger effect

[@JustN0tMe]

It doesn't?

[@willieboip]

Destiny hit the nail on the head when he was discussing how some people live in different realities and how it poisons the well of discourse. It’s nearly impossible to have a discussion about anything with people like Niko who probably believe the Pyramids were built by the Anunnaki and Fluorinated Water causes homosexuality in frogs.

[@CrestOfArtorias]

They was kangs!

[@Sweatersith]

First off humans built the Pyramids with knowledge the Anunnaki gave them. The Anunnaki didn't build them persay. XDXDXD

[@logicoutloud]

You nailed it

[@chrismeloni2046]

The only credibility Niko House has in his favor is that he's black. If he was a white guy saying this stuff, no one would listen to him because he's about as charismatic as a piece of shit that a dog ate, and then shit out.

[@tempesttossed6029]

The gay frogs meme has a series of tests behind them that verifies that chemicals from herbacides (specifically the chemical atrazine) trigger sex changes in frogs across the nation. It doesn't make frogs gay, it makes them infertile and hermaphroditic (or fully female, causing bottlenecking of the frog population).

[@JohnSmith-lr8xg]

holy fuck, destiny is looking swole. jesus christ, his posture is now that of an alpha aswell... We are watching the glow up in real time

[@TheCaptainjuicy]

Its weird, on AJW’s stream of the events, they were saying the exact opposite, and were even accusing him of taking estrogen. I honestly don’t think he comes off as looking that “beta”.

[@stevenhageman8255]

The moderator needed to moderate better

[@gerunkwon2598]

Destiny's Kubrick stare, dark shirt and blue jeans, and Godfather-esque shadows in his eyes symbolize the looming presence of his dark triad personality during the debate.

[@bjboom01]

Bro the body language lieutenant 💀💀

[@thissatori]

Niko gets so loud whenever asked for more info on his ridiculously broad claims. Sigh

[@DANGER10101]

Niko : " X is bad we have to reform it" Steve : " how'd you do that? " Niko : " by making it so it's not bad " Destiny got Intellectually outpaced

[@threefought1949]

Everyone who ever told destiny that he would speak to them differently in person needs to watch this

[@gosblowup3044]

Niko House is the living version of using clap emojis between every word.

[@lucasparham5068]

Niko’s sole strategy: Scream and overtalk everyone.

[@mjr_schneider]

The point when I knew Niko was completely insane was when he pronounced Jeff Bezos as "Jeff Buh-zose".

[@wydmark]

the funniest thing i’ve even seen is destiny standing up

[@hugo3627]

Niko House: "I work for RT news" oh, that explains a lot

[@ramoncabral4816]

Unlimited Kremlin money

[@phadedlife]

I didn't even hear that. Hilarious.

[@edmaldonado8207]

Holy shit lmao

[@Marqrk]

@@ramoncabral4816 turns out his accusation was actually an admission. He had unlimited funding so he assumed other people did too

[@joesalgadSF415]

Wait wait he work for RT news? Oh that makes sense he got unlimited money coming in that why he keep saying the crap about unlimited money and owned by the cia. What an obnoxious clown he is

[@WestliFerZul]

This has by far the worst moderation out of any panel I've ever witnessed. "Better discourse" eh?

[@Leinja]

The last panel was the worst. Four conspiracy nutter conservative panelists and one conspiracy nutter moderator. It was basically an Infowars show.

[@JeyPeyy]

This was really bad, but the libertarian convention one is unbeatable

[@Kloutkulture]

EVER

[@TrentonF505]

@@JeyPeyy the one that was moderated by a guy who runs a libertarian meme account? Because yeah that one was definitely the worse lmao

[@JeyPeyy]

@@TrentonF505 yes, that one 🥴 absolute shit show

[@esem4159]

Thank god for Destiny

[@sune1112]

This was so fucking hard to watch, Niko screams so fking high my ears hurt

[@JS-lq3bh]

You know when Steven said “that’s a really good question” it made that guys day

[@chrischris7003]

Hahah most definitely

[@CrazyGiaky]

Niko House: *"Other countries can't use Google Maps because it's controlled by the CIA"* - 56:58 Godstiny: *"I used Google Maps vacationing in New Zealand, Taiwan, South Korea..."* *_BRUH_*

[@Bai_Su_Zhen]

I mean it's just a virus of its own at this point. These people just want to say stupid shit, they don't give a fuck what's actually right and wrong.

[@Darkerxz]

Watching from China here and yeah, Google Maps also works in China, albeit with a VPN

[@mizel101]

did peter coffin flinch to hear the T word?

[@imitationkrabbe3268]

Dude needs to touch another country's grass

[@TheCamps10]

@@leontate8805 Because of Chinese censorship, not because "Oooh, it's controlled by the CIA"

[@itskastrand]

i would love to see destiny revisit this debate on stream and see if/how his positions have changed

[@dyslexcii]

The difference between a publication platform and distribution platform is when the message is approved. For a newspaper publication, the newspaper has to approve the message before it goes to the public. Social media as a distributor allows ANYONE to post whenever they want, but they do not approve of the message before it goes public.