Gil's Arena Debates The Boston Celtics BEST Player

[@SeddyPooh]

Last year people was clowning jb calling him the most over paid player in the league because “he didn’t have a left hand”a year later he now better than Tatum is crazy

[@wildheart2978]

That's because it's Jayson Tatum hate, not Jaylen Brown love. A male version of Beyonce and Kelly. Which is unfair to both of them.

[@ranfli-op1146]

I always thought he was better than tatum. Dude always comes to ball, Tatum during most big games looks scared and passive.

[@walterreed5849]

i’ve always been on the brown > tatum train but media has been overall horrendous about brown and tatum ever since kyrie left that team and it was clearly in tatum and browns hands

[@byrd1106]

​​@@ranfli-op1146 A guy that averaged 30 points last series and is currently an assist and a half short of averaging a triple double in this series is somehow not better than the guy leading him in ONLY points by a 3 point average. Tatum has led the team the entire playoffs in everything else offensively 😂😂😂. The hate is REAL!

[@geronimopratt7976]

Narratives are hell

[@ShaadsComicsandBeers]

Tatum is definitely a superstar. Right now he understands he ain't shooting great at the moment but he hasn't let that keep him from the other aspects of the game which he's done well.

[@topnotchtajmahal7216]

Well said

[@Jerm0116]

@@topnotchtajmahal7216when has he ever been great besides occasional games where he has a good night and drops 40 or 50? He is the reason they lost the finals in 22 because he was inconsistent scoring and he is doing it again this finals but the team is so good that its getting overlooked.

[@ChrisJoestarr]

He's still shooting more than everyone in the team???

[@daquanbeamon2635]

How many more series do we have to keep seeing that he keeps getting this excuse

[@topnotchtajmahal7216]

⁠@@Jerm0116he’s been very good more times then not he averages 24 and 8 in over 100 playoff games in his career and shoots a solid percentage we’re not gonna act like he be pulling a James harden he’s actually more consistent then a lot of other guys have been he has his stinkers like most stars do now am I saying he’s a top 5 player in the league? Absolutely not but he’s also not as bad as you guys are trying to make him out to be just becuz his shot is cold at the moment and it being the finals

[@paulturner8550]

Thank Gil for pointing out what everyone is trying to ignore: the Mavs defensive scheme is literally to throw everything at Tatum. That helped Jrue get 18 points in the paint yesterday.

[@brxndaveli5834]

Ehhh what game were you watching. The mavs aren’t throwing everything at Tatum at all. They may clog the paint for everyone but your exaggerating the defense. That’s how stars get guarded and clearly he can’t handle it. Luka gets doubles the most of any player all season

[@jgftyvv9127]

@@brxndaveli5834but he isn’t getting doubled in the finals like Tatum😂😂

[@ipityplaystationpeasants2305]

​@brxndaveli5834 Dude do you know how double teams work? It's not one player holds the ball and two people guard him. Defensive schemes are closing gaps with JT on offense, every dribble drive JT does 3 guys are flooding in his area, and what Gil said. Draymond even exposed and said that the warriors INTENTIONALLY leave JB open after we spanked them by 50. A hall of famer said it. If JB is better than tatum, than he is better than Shai, embiid, KD, booker, ja. Ya need to stop falling for propaganda nonsense.

[@williewoodard1289]

They aren’t doing a lot of double teams on anybody to be honest

[@paulturner8550]

@@brxndaveli5834 The same game Gil was referring to. I trust his eyes over yours. Luka saw a couple of doubles but they played him straight most of the game and threw a lot of different bodies at him.

[@wildheart2978]

Tatum is the better player; Brown is playing better right now. Two things can be true.

[@thamexicanblackboii9619]

But Tatum isn’t better😂

[@arcellmcgowan1517]

True but your wrong 😑 JB better JT has had a bigger playoff game

[@Twenty3threesavage]

Jaylen Brown plays better all the time , even in 2022 nba finals 💀💀😭😭😭😭 Tatum very inconsistent

[@TheDdub2010]

@@arcellmcgowan1517Tatum drop 50 be the bucks game 6 and 50 last yr vs philly

[@zoatengtv5644]

Tatum takes wayyy more shots than JB that’s why he scores more points. JB by far more efficient

[@topnotchtajmahal7216]

There’s a reason tatum was able to get 10+ assists only issue is his shot isn’t falling right now but when he drives it’s 2-3 guys collapsing on him leading to guys being wide open for 3 all day long On those swing swing passes

[@Tl-mh7gq]

So Tatum get a excuse for shooting bad? Do luka not get double teamed?

[@xpertxclips3504]

@@Tl-mh7gqwat excuse they up 2-0 Ctfu💀

[@topnotchtajmahal7216]

@@Tl-mh7gqshot just isn’t falling it happens it’s literally the only bad thing you all are saying cuz he’s doing everything else great right now if he kept shooting and caused them to lose ya would kill him 10x worst he’s cold so make plays for others and he’s doing that

[@topnotchtajmahal7216]

@@Tl-mh7gqremember nobody killed Larry bird for being terrible in a finals that cornbread maxwell had to step up and win the finals mvp ya don’t kill mj for shooting like straight crap the last 3 games when gp got switched on to him against the sonics when stars shots ain’t falling do other things to impact the game at a high level that’s the next step in being a star luka as great as he is…is he defending at a high level? No…..it’s always other facets you can help your tm win even when one thing isn’t working

[@CupNoodles-l5j]

Luka is better than Tatum

[@IknowMoreThanYou]

How many times JB gunna play better before he better lmao

[@SCOOBYGD]

When the game plan focuses strictly to stop JB

[@trueprophets4704]

JB get double to though Gil ass lying. We seen Tatum miss 6 to 7 wide open shots

[@MauriceB-zn5pv]

@@SCOOBYGDBrowns game makes it hard to double him.

[@em6824]

​@@MauriceB-zn5pv you mean tatum. Teams are able to load up on tatum because he pounds the ball for 10+ seconds each possession let stop the bullsiht. Brown gets the ball. Makes a move and head to the basket or pull up middy.

[@michaelharris1254]

@@em6824wit KEIBLER and Luka holding him he literally beating one man esp game 1

[@Andre-q5e4m]

Jayson Tatum - 82 game player. Jaylen Brown - 16 game player. When it’s the post season, it’s JB coming up big in big moments

[@edgardorivera8857]

This postseason I guess, but we’re not going to act like Tatum hasn’t gone off in the playoffs before. Game 6 vs the Bucks- Tatum drops 46 on the road to tie the series. Game 7 vs the Sixers- Tatum drops 51 to win the series. Game 3 vs the super team Nets (KD/Kyrie/Harden)- he dropped 50 to win that game while carrying a bunch of G-leaguers cause Jaylen and Kemba were out (injured). Basically every year Tatum leads them in points/rebounds/assists in the playoffs every year (including this year) while being doubled and triple teamed.

[@edgardorivera8857]

Jaylen does have bad playoff games, but the reason you barely hear about it, cause Tatum (as the best player) takes away the attention from Jaylen’s bad performance. This best player narrative is recency bias anyways; just last year y’all were thrashing Jaylen cause he sucked vs the Heat.

[@penkima4923]

JT has played 20 playoff series, and he's choked in 3 of those, which is a low amount. JB has had 7 playoff runs, and this is his first run he's playing on star level. In their careers, JT has been far better in the regular and post seasons than JB.

[@tenelson3]

@@edgardorivera8857 negative. Brown hasnt had a bad playoff game. While tatum has shot good in 2 out of 16. Enjoy

[@tenelson3]

​@@penkima4923negative...tatum just plays inefficient ball an jacks more shots...an u clowns praise him for it

[@Ilovecookingtheinternetbums]

Y'all sre disrespecting Jaylen Brown. In 2022 Tatum played like trash in the finals. Just look how bad hes been in this series. Jaylen Brown is taking less shots than Tatum but scoring more points.

[@topnotchtajmahal7216]

Uhh cuz 1 he was forced to be the playmaker cuz Marcus smart is a horrible playmaker for a so called point guard….2 jb had no left hand and wasn’t causing the warriors to draw the same attention as opposed to Tatum who was dropping 50 on the bucks that same postseason don’t let blind stats fool you if brown got trapped as much in that finals as Tatum with the weak left he had he would’ve broke the record for turnovers just like Tatum did

[@danielthompson3928]

That is 💯% correct. The turnovers Brown had was because of the double teams. If we are arguing who can finish better with the double-triple team I would say Tatum but saying that Brown does not get doubled is a crap take. That is literally the reason why he kicks it out. He does not get assists because he does not get the receiver into position first like Tatum does. Tatum has the ball twice as often so it would make sense that he is doubled “more”. Tatum has more assists because Tatum is an amazing distributor and does not get recognized for that part of his game. I have been saying that Brown should be the #1 scoring option and Tatum should be a triple-double machine.

[@trueprophets4704]

@@danielthompson3928😂😂 right but people acting like Tatum ain’t committing 4.5 turnovers a game

[@ethanbrown4628]

It’s not disrespectful it’s the truth 😂😂😂 he doesn’t get the same defensive attention as Tatum and I’m glad so he can go off and we can win that’s all that matters

[@byrd1106]

How bad he's been? You mean just scoring? He's averaging 3 less points than Brown in this series. Besides that he's leading the team in EVERYTHING else on offense and has been the entire playoffs. Just say ya'll don't like Tatum. Damn.

[@darlingj.canela]

Tatum is the better player, Brown is better at the higher stages, at least has been in the past years. It seems to me that Tatum hasn't mature enough to no let the pressure affects his game and Brown already came with the killer mentality in the package.

[@edgardorivera8857]

You have a short memory. Tatum has dropped 50 (vs Nets, game 3), 46 (vs Bucks, game 6), 51 (vs Sixers, game 7); and he leads the team in pts/reb/ast in the playoffs every year (including this one). Y’all same people praising Jaylen were the same ones tearing him down when he bombed vs Miami last year. Y’all are bots 🤦🏽‍♂️.

[@Bars11_]

You have low basketball IQ. Tatum is getting double teamed all the time and they are very physical with him plus he doesn't get any calls, that takes a toll on his body. Brown playing one on one all night, looking fresh.

[@darlingj.canela]

@@edgardorivera8857 the same Tatum who established the TOs record for the finals two years ago. If you gonna start cherrypicking games then start for the whole lot of games in which he hasn't quite perform at the level is required for somebody who has still an open chat with Kobe. Rip mamba. JB will win FMVP if Dallas doesn't wake up first and take advantage of Tatum lack of efficiency and also KP's injury.

[@dewanewelch1744]

​@@darlingj.canelaand JB was right about him in TOs. Lol

[@iwishiwasthomasshelby]

Get out of there with the killer mentality stuff. That’s like Skip bayless. Tatum got ripped in 2022 for repeatedly jacking up the same shot at 37% despite being able to contribute in so many ways. He’s now doing what is needed for hogs team to win. Stop trying to put players down and give them credit when they are making sacrifices and doing what their team needs. He deserves a lot of credit.

[@ifyeze1352]

10:03 bruh I’m weak how Nick gonna tell Kmart to look up the stats?? My brother in Christ HE PLAYED IN THE SERIES 😂😂

[@IknowMoreThanYou]

GA is about having ignorant unserious ngaz spewing nonsense

[@AfricanH3ro]

Fr, Only time Kobe even came close to matching Shaq in points is when they lost to Detroit lol.

[@bjones1947]

Nick is fried 😂

[@alk7478]

37 for Shaq, 27 for Kobe. Kobe only took a total of 14 less shots too.

[@bobbyhuey1114]

JB is the best player hands down! Yall are sleeping on my boy #7JB!

[@rainmwhop]

As a JT fan I think JB has been better, but since JT has a higher ceiling they gave him the keys and have been limiting JB since JT has been in the league. If you give JB the keys and gift him the name like they did JB, he would have better stats.

[@edgardorivera8857]

Yet the team would be worse off, cause he’s not as good a passer as JT.

[@jabriwilson3109]

That’s smile Kenyan had when he said both lmaooo

[@iwishiwasthomasshelby]

People forget, but k mart was Jason kidd’s running mate in New Jersey. K mart was getting his back.

[@erickrodriguez814]

@@iwishiwasthomasshelbyayo

[@Eniggma39]

@@erickrodriguez814he said getting his back, not blowing his back, you freaky frog 😂

[@early2000srap]

I'm in Boston and from Boston and when your 2 wins away from winning it all, you realize that the best player shit is all for the media, smh. Ppl better stfu about tatum or brown after this one is all I know lol

[@dr.zarkov5838]

Word up, I'm from the Bean and still out here. All this nonsense about JT & JB has gone far enough and after the C's win the chip all these talking heads need to kill that noise. Boston holding it down 247/365

[@scallaloulou2792]

Exactly and Gil just cannot give Boston it’s flowers

[@E-Los]

Saying JB can’t go left this year is completely ridiculous former nba players or not watch the game then talk

[@joshsanders2820]

Tatum still better

[@ace_boogie_6174]

How many time is JB scoring to his left? You sound ridiculous, when he drives, he is beating his man to the right hand and taps left side to get back to right hand. I’m from Boston and watching.

[@tenelson3]

​@@ace_boogie_6174brown has a far better left than tatum. Yall just tatum fan boys. Sticking up for 12/38 shooting in the nba finals...after only shooting 44/30 all playoffs before the finals. Yall some puppets.

[@tenelson3]

@@ace_boogie_6174 your lying is what your doing🤣🤣☠️☠️☠️

[@Meko.Morris]

@@tenelson3 whatever’s popular most ppl gonna go with it if U actually watched the Celtics play U know 😂 His dominant hand is his right every player has one except kyrie! JB left hand was injured last year in the playoffs he had a brace a few games along with the Mask idk why everybody just thinks it was just him losing the ball 😂😂😂 but whatever

[@2020mademeagamer]

Brown is more consistent but Tatum at his best is better

[@penkima4923]

The opposite is true regarding consistency. This is only Tatum's third playoff series in his career that he's choking, out of 20 serieses. While Brown in playing his first good playoff run of his career, out of 7 runs.

[@2020mademeagamer]

@@penkima4923 not at all lol if you look at brown numbers in the playoffs he’s giving you the same thing he just bad from the line. Brown the type of player that might not give you 40 but he WILL shoot what he averages

[@penkima4923]

@@2020mademeagamer Look at Brown's post-season numbers? Alright, here: 2018: Good numbers 2019: Bad numbers 2020 and 2022: Good numbers 2023: Average numbers 2024: Great numbers. Doesn't sound extremely inconsistent, but not that consistent either.

[@2020mademeagamer]

@@penkima4923 you didn’t show not a single number lol. And if you actually go look at his numbers even in 2019 when you said his stats were bad he still gave you his average in fg% and 3pt %. Even if he shoots less he’s gonna make the same amount of shots which is consistent even his advanced stats are consistent just his frethrows streaky

[@treybanga5133]

This year, this playoffs, this finals, JB is the heart n soul and u tell in his game.

[@mjy102]

He’s not watching the game. He said Luka was guarding Jaylen brown. Stop it. When Jayson Tatum went to go close the game out though , Luka clamped him up. Jaylen came and closed the game out.

[@edgardorivera8857]

Jayson got met by three defenders in the paint, the fuck are you blabbering about? 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@diegobyrd6769]

Thank you Gil💪🏽 Great commentary

[@jdagreat4595]

Gil just be talking to talk .. they double jaylen brown to lol. This dude is crazy

[@moonpiespotlight4759]

Gil talk to these guys like you talk to your wife, trying to convince her that wasn't you in your car with that girl she saw last night.

[@henrydaniels7287]

No df he not, the nigga playing 1 on 1

[@jdagreat4595]

@@moonpiespotlight4759 bruh exactly

[@danielwilson1228]

If their egos don’t get in the way this Celtics team will win a few chips

[@TDKR88]

Why when players are discussed about who is better most ppl exclude defense? Defense is a big part of the game. Being able to keep the other teams best players contained is an underrated skillset

[@edgardorivera8857]

And Tatum is a good defender as well, so what’s your point? They’re both two way wings.

[@CahlilWesson]

@@edgardorivera8857tbh theyre both equal in my book they both can go for 50 whenever and play defense, JT is just bigger and jb is a tad but more athletic. why not just enjoy them

[@TDKR88]

@@edgardorivera8857 just pointing out how overlooked it is throughout media. Both are very balanced players surrounded by well rounded roll players. It’s going to be tough for Dallas to win this series

[@704jizzle2]

Luka was guarding White until they put him in a pick n roll GIL WRONG AGAIN

[@CelticsAREdaBALLZ]

Jaylen averages 28, 7 and 3 on 51% in 30+ games in his career when Tatum doesnt play. The doubles and best defensive player shift when he gets going as well. Its happened all playoffs. Attributing his success to Tatums gravity is lazy.. As far as Tatum sacrificing, the man literally took the most shots in the game, even more the Luka. He's also taking the most shots on the Celtics by a mile. Just because he isn't shooting well doesn't mean he's just focusing on other areas to let others eat. He can't score rn. It's OK to say that

[@MrAnsah15]

Lol you might be the most level headed Celtics fan in the world

[@curtiszyr]

There’s too much talking . Media is becoming bad for sport y’all need to shut up 😂

[@delanara2323]

Tatum is a score he needs to shoot through this slump, however unlike brown he is also able to shoot, with out disrupting the rhythm and flow for everybody else and assist to his teammates to counter balance his bad shooting, when brown is off everybody suffers, when Tatum is off, he feeds everybody brown included, because unlike last night brown is usually the recipient in Tatum's playmaking which raises browns shot percentage and his ppg. Tatum's gravity is what is allow us to win, and his usage off it even despite his shooting struggles, which with him being hounded by double teams all the time are understandable if not justifiable. If we lose no one is blaming brown, we all know he is not THE guy for us, he is however a great player and a great shot maker. If we lose all this the blame will fall squarely on tatum, and even though we won with his shooting being bad, we will say its because its his scoring thats the issue. Tatum is so much more than just a 3 level threat on scoring, he is a level headed ball handler and play maker. Brown can certainly get his points, play great defense and even at times get assists, but he turns the ball over more per possession, which is why even though tatum has the ball more often brown turns the ball over almost just as much as him, all while tatum has a double team on him, and brown does not, mind you. This generation of basketball fans overly look into scoring. Brown is a legit defender too do not get me wrong, but tatum is far more versatile, longer and guards bigger stretched of the floor, gets rebounds, and guards the 1-5. Crazy thing is if tatum comes out and goes for 50 in the playoffs, like he did against the bucks you will just suck your teeth and say "finally"and not even give him his props. If we sweep the Mavs and tatum never has a ridiculous scoring night, you will put all the praise on brown and ignore how tatum facilitated KP, and holiday going OFF these last two games, and just say, brown scored more so he is the best!. you are a casual at best man. Tatum went for 18pts 12 assists and 9 rebounds, he struggled to shoot but was the catalyst for our leading scorer in holiday going off. Put some respect on tatums name, he is playing like magic/lebron right now, with elite defense and rebounding.

[@Plover4770]

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[@edgardorivera8857]

Those numbers are in the regular season, when teams aren’t game planning as well. How does Jaylen play without JT in the playoffs? Checkout game 7 vs Miami last year, and that will answer the question.

[@kdaristotle9529]

Now we know if the gameplan went tbrough JB instead of JT, the series wouldnt look this way. JT has the primary attention for a reason. If both have off nights, only one gonna compensate with the boards and assists to keep the offense going BUT it doesn't matter because it's a term game. Boston has the best team. Players with games, teams win championships.

[@topnotchtajmahal7216]

Exactly only issue is Tatum isn’t hittin his shots he’s doing everything else at a high level for them right now never seen him playmake like that

[@El_Fonzo]

That's a lie

[@topnotchtajmahal7216]

@@El_Fonzono it’s not learn the game

[@El_Fonzo]

@@topnotchtajmahal7216 yes it is, learn the game and actually watch the game's

[@kdaristotle9529]

@El_Fonzo I've been a Celtics fan since 2003. I know what I see. There's a reason why JT gets primary defensive coverage even when he's not hitting his shots. Dallas would rather JB go 1 on 1 with a defender. Its noted that JB's handles aren't the most sound, notably his left hand being weak. His vision and board work not as strong as JT. Facts are facts. JT is 1 and JB is 1A. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter because both are All-NBA talent players who are about to get a ring if KP is still able to play at a serviceable level

[@Themayseffect]

Jalen has proven 2 seasons now he's on par if not better than Tatum overall. If anything, he's unquestionably the smarter player.

[@delanara2323]

He is a bucket...but how can you call him smarter if he has less touches, and gets doubles less times per possession as tatum, yet he has roughly the same amount of TOs on less touches, and gets less assists to make up for the points he gave away with his turnovers? HOW? Also tatum has far more pressure and expectation than brown we all know, and so does brown and tatum that if we lose, all the blame is on tatum not brown. So with more pressure, more defensive double teams, tatum turns the ball over less per possession, Gets more assists, scores roughly the same, gets more rebounds and we are going to say brown is better JUST because he scores more, and more efficiently with less double teams, less pressure, and yet brown still turns the ball over at a higher rate? make it make sense man.

[@edgardorivera8857]

So why is Tatum always leading the team in points/rebounds/assists while being doubled and triple teamed then? If Brown is smarter, then why ain’t he a better passer?

[@penkima4923]

JT has been the better player for their entire careers, up until the final minutes of the conference finals, and these finals.

[@Themayseffect]

The argument of JT being constantly double or triple teamed is a false narrative. Tatum makes bad plays that lead to him being TRAPPED, this is not the same as double teaming. He rushes the paint in an attempt to get an easy bucket and runs into a wall of defenders guarding the key. He's consistently done this for several years now and it's rarely ever paid off. Brown on the other hand has played outside of the key and only rushes in when usually there is a clear lane or passes the ball. He's the SG, and that's his job, he does it pretty damn well. The last 2 games this finals proves this. Go to any other Boston playoff series where they either lost or came close to losing and odds are you'll see Tatum at the focal point of bad plays where he gets trapped and turns the ball over.

[@delanara2323]

@@Themayseffect the defense always collapes on him if he has a chance to drive by 1 defender but before that they always try to send two man on him if the defense is set up. Its not a false narrative double teams are a tractable stat and tatum consistently gets doubled more. If he was rushing into bad plays and taking bad shots, that would mean the double teams worked, they are not because even when the defensive pressure from the double team stops him from getting his own bucket he flips the switch turns into magic and leads his team in assists as a 6'10 wing lol

[@jamesfkeithii]

Also Kobe only averaged 15.6 PPG in the 2000 Finals, 24.6 in 2001, and 26.8 in 2002.

[@iguesss]

Can someone make a video of Tatum getting doubled in this series

[@Plover4770]

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[@penkima4923]

That would be interesting. How many times does he still force a shot up, and how many times does he turn the ball over.

[@jaywooldridge7564]

@@penkima4923right..he gets by his man & turns the ball over, forces a shot or pass as the last resort. The defense only collapses when he gets in the paint

[@papapear3540]

The difference between a LEADER and SCORER

[@penkima4923]

It's starting to look like Tatum is a finals' choker.

[@SuperRocky59]

@@penkima4923 Maybe he is trying to do what he thinks he has to do to win. You have choked way more times than him in your life. They just said he was being double teamed. Do you have ears but hear not?

[@penkima4923]

@@SuperRocky59 "Maybe he is trying to do what he thinks he has to do to win." He took the most shots for both teams in game 2, and wasn't making any of them. He leads his team in turnovers, and he's hogging the ball from Jrue. He's trying to go for the finals MVP, and that's obnoxious. "You have choked way more times than him in your life." I've had my chokes, and I've learned from at least some of them. But I've never choked playing sports. "They just said he was being double teamed." Gil said he was double teamed and triple teamed, and that means that he wasn't double teamed or triple teamed. "Do you have ears but hear not?" Do you want me to give you nightmares?

[@Meauxluv]

Shaq saying he has to break something down for Brown is hilarious.

[@GSUGambit]

When I brought up Ty Lue and the Cavs were prioritizing guarding Steph Curry instead of KD (Ty Lue even said in an interview) people said I was hating on KD

[@patientzero291]

Tatum wanted the NBA finals MVP, but Brown will probably take it.

[@penkima4923]

Tatum is taking the most shots, even though he's missing a ton. And he's hogging the ball, even though they have Jrue who's a point guard.

[@kingofsudan7564]

I know I can’t compare basketball with soccer but Celtic team remind of Barcelona team when Ronaldinho used to play “ team was full of stars “ unstoppable man 😂

[@danielthompson3928]

False, Jaylen does not get the assist because the players are making an additional pass. Tatum has gotten wide open shots thanks to Jaylen creating space. Tatum is simply a better passer. He passes it into the right spot at the right time. That has nothing to do with being double teamed or not. That is just playmaking in general. Tatum has that in his bag and Brown does not. I still think Tatum has a better overall game but Brown definitely gets doubled as well. Tatum also has the ball twice as often as Brown so that’s probably why it looks like a large disparity.

[@delanara2323]

Not to mention that brown turns over the ball just as much with even less touches than tatum and less assists to counterbalance those TOs

[@ahmorgan]

He’s the better defender and athlete though

[@danielsimms5546]

A bunch of 2s and 3s on the squad. I honestly think Tatum and Brown are really good 2nd options

[@Juniorbih]

I’m tired of the Tatum glaze it’s funny how Gilbert didn’t bring up how Tatum is not clutch😂

[@bossp6624]

This is how you know people just repeat what they here on sports shows. How is Tatum not clutch when he has a whole compilation of game winning shots in the NBA. He's at the top of the league in players with points in the last 4 minutes of games. That's literally the definition of being clutch.

[@edgardorivera8857]

46 pts in Game 6 vs the Bucks is not clutch? How about an NBA record 51 pts in Game 7, is that not clutch? How about leading his team in pts/reb/ast in every postseason, that’s not impressive? Y’all just be talking 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@penkima4923]

Tatum's performance in the 2022 finals was called a choke. Even though Wiggins played great defense, and the Warriors played great team defense, it's still a choke. He's now playing a worse finals series this season in 2024. Tatum has been extremely consistent in the playoffs over his career, but his finals record looks flat out awful. It makes him look more like a choker than clutch.

[@CahlilWesson]

@@edgardorivera8857i swear those 2 games overrule everything they saying about him huh???

[@DariusClarkWallace]

See Nick doing that Kobe revisionist history. Shaq averaged 36, 12, and 4 with 3 blocks. Kobe averaged 27, 6, and 5

[@SoICYDRE662]

JT is not a superstar , hes like AD. For some reason, they won't get to the next level .

[@BelieveThat_5]

Actually think Ad better than Tatum.. Tatum just available more

[@SoICYDRE662]

@WembyGlazer_1 I agree AD is better. I'm just categorizing these players in groups AD would lead that group as the best player

[@othellorucker8107]

Good ass point lol this is facts

[@ace_boogie_6174]

Tatum isn’t a passer but averaging over 7 assist. Clearly means he is getting doubled and passing it to the open man. Idk how easy it is for you to see that. His shooting isn’t good because the second guy is hovering around him or waiting for him at his favorite spots.

[@penkima4923]

Tatum is also passing the ball to the opponent. He leads the team in turnovers.

[@tigertheace3407]

He had 18 13 and 9 almost triple double guys cmon

[@kevinhawkins20]

He was 6-22 & 1-7 behind the Arc

[@crazydumb1861]

You’re not looking at his efficiency tho shit is awful

[@silewis9396]

​@@kevinhawkins20So what? You're concentrating on bad shooting numbers. His all round game showed he can do other things to contribute to winning.

[@danielthompson3928]

18, *12, 9

[@xIpyschoIx]

@@silewis9396very true but that applies to high level role players. If ben simmons played like this you would say he sucks

[@MykelRandle-bd3rt]

No lie, jaylen brown really more consistent this year. You can tell he worked on his game. Jayson Tatum is very good , but he also is getting doubled night in ,night out. Which is helping jaylen brown play the way he does.

[@cv1dersns]

Y’all trying play Tatum out his spot he’s the number 1 ……The offense flows thru him

[@edgardorivera8857]

Exactly, they’re not winning these games if Tatum wasn’t passing to the open guy out of those triple teams. He’s literally taking defensive attention away from the rest of his teammates, which helps the team out overall.

[@penkima4923]

@@edgardorivera8857 He's still taking the most shots, with awful percentage. And he leads the team in turnovers.

[@jlmusic1469]

Gil, you onto something there! Who is the best media person on whatever. The players podcast should start that shit... get all in their biz! 🤣🤣

[@Actlikemjsmith]

Tatum is the brightest talent but Brown is in fact the BETTER player

[@nickowens7680]

This series ? sure … overall ? You’re delusional

[@Bertyyyy]

proud of the celtics. two more baby!

[@lucianodadon7822]

Gil just be making up shit in defense of Tatum smh

[@topnotchtajmahal7216]

He actually was correct on this take though just watch the game everytime tatum drives he’s kicking it out to guys open

[@El_Fonzo]

You ain't lying

[@El_Fonzo]

​@@topnotchtajmahal7216he's actually wrong though cause brown does the same thing.

[@BigKeith510]

For real

[@Trethedream1k]

@@El_Fonzonot the way Tatum is person because the defense is mainly focused on Tatum

[@MF_Jah]

i think tatum has a bigger bag so it makes him cooler and a better upside. but brown does his 4 to 5 things really good and it has a nice impact

[@glokspapi-ls2ji]

HOW MANY RINGS DID AREANAS WIN ?

[@seanrobinson8676]

That has nothing to do with it

[@lucsonelysee5988]

Gilbert Arenas is absolutely right, even Jason Kidd doesn't believe what he is saying, Jason Kidd is just playing mind game. Why would he continues to double, sometimes triple Tatum and not JB.

[@Dantee.15]

They wanted Tatum to be the next Kobe so bad lol

[@silewis9396]

I don't know who this "they" is, but Tatum wanted to take bits from Kobe like all great players of his generation did and should. He's done a better job than Josh Jackson (for example).

[@wilcunningham5787]

That's his problem. Play your game. His game is not to shoot his team out the game

[@Juniorbih]

Who is they tho he is no where close to Kobe 💀

[@kaelinjefferies9267]

The only person I know that wanted Tatum to be the next Kobe is Tatum himself 😂.

[@zuhayrakhan]

@@Juniorbih Kobe never a lead team in points, rebounds, assists during a playoff run. Tatum has.

[@ghostblack305]

Right now Dru Holiday, is Killing everybody!!!!!!!! on both sides of the ball!!!!!!!💯💯🔥🔥🔥

[@penkima4923]

Even though Tatum hogs the ball from him.

[@Philasophical_Truth.Wisdom]

Brown is the better PLAYER, while Tatum is the better TALENT.

[@delanara2323]

brown is having an easier time scoring* and its because despite what jkidd says he is sending the double team to tatum. Outside of PPG and FG% what is brown doing better than tatume? tatum literally kick started and maintained holiday winning the game for us last night, because he was unselfish and made the right passes and raked in all the assists....not to mention his rebounding. If you wanna say brown is better then I better see brown doing off for 40, since tatum is the one drawing double teams, if brown isn't getting 9 assists a game and can dribble by just one defender and is so great he better be getting ATLEAST that much. We all know who tatum is as a scorer, he can go off for 50 if tested and the defense lacks off him, what we all did not know but we are now finding out is that he is an incredible wise and diligent leader, who doesn't just bring everyone else down with him when he is shooting his way through a slump, but one who is distributing the ball to everyone, putting points on the board for the entire team, and getting us a W without having to be the leading scorer

[@irinhobson9236]

Jalen Brown is the more aggressive player and more efficient from the field and 3pt but Tatum is the better playmaker and Rebounder thus far

[@edgardorivera8857]

It’s easier to be more agressive when you’re being defended with single coverage. Tatum is the better playmaker cause he’s the one being doubled and triple teamed, so he literally has to pass it to the open man, cause that’s the right play.

[@KionneSensei]

Jrue Holiday carried they ass that's who J Kidd not gonna mention

[@delanara2323]

Who fed that man though? JT !

[@penkima4923]

@@delanara2323 Tatum leads the team in turnovers. Holiday has zero turnovers in the series.

[@ElzRayEks]

Gil, if Dallas is single covering Brown, why isn't the Celtics running the offense through JB? Wouldn't it make more sense? JT has a higher usage rate, which means he get more shots. Also, get more chances at potential assists. JT have a bigger bag, but JB decision making as it relates to scoring is better. Now tell me, who plays basketball better?

[@GoodyearSimp]

Tatum contributes to winning even when he’s not shooting well. Why are we crucifying this guy?

[@penkima4923]

Who's crucifying him? Nobody is even saying he's choking, even though he's playing even worse than when he choked in the 2022 finals. Saying contributing to winning doesn't really mean anything at all. That means you don't have nothing good to say about him, and you're a stan, and don't want to admit he chokes again.

[@GoodyearSimp]

@@penkima4923 the entire media is man…just listen to the discourse when his name is mentioned. I am indeed a fan of his and admit the 2022 finals weren’t his finest moment but this is different since despite his poor shooting he’s making winning plays. There is more to basketball than scoring brother.

[@penkima4923]

@@GoodyearSimp He's breaking the record for the worst shooting percentage in the finals all time. He's literally the biggest choker in finals history. Choking is mostly to do with shooting. And nobody's calling him a choker, and that's because he plays for the most stacked team in history. And he's not playing well even aside of the shooting. Forcing up shots if you're missing everything, is just bad basketball. He forced another seven threes in game 2, shooting 14 %, and was missing layups. And he leads his team in turnovers, and hogs the ball from Holiday who is the better playmaker. As a fan, you may have heard his interview where he said he's nervous in the finals. That gives a reason why he's choking. I hope you like Tatum only because you live in the Boston area. Because in these finals he plays selfish, and deserves some hate for it. Let's call a spade a spade. Tatum is a finals choker. And nobody on the media dares to say it.

[@kharidiggs]

thank you Gil

[@grind957]

JB might end up in Houston

[@em6824]

For real he's just straight up getting disrespected every day. He seems like the person that plays with a chip. And I can see him dipping to prove who he is........

[@jeremywebster539]

They can’t have this discussion without big dog being in it.

[@THCHighPeat]

JT is literally getting doubled and still finding a way to….the Celtics have a good all around team so he doesn’t have to be thirsty to score

[@greatpyrenees559]

Was he “doubled” on all of those layups he missed

[@topnotchtajmahal7216]

@@greatpyrenees559yes actually he side stepped around them a few times he’s that smooth just didn’t finish but he kicked out to a wide open guy way more then smoke a layup

[@playoffp2024]

@@topnotchtajmahal7216 cooked his dumbass lmao

[@CelticsAREdaBALLZ]

The man literally took the most shots in the game, even more the Luka. He's also taking the most shots on the Celtics by a mile. Just because he isn't shooting well doesn't mean he's just focusing on other areas to let others eat. He can't score rn. It's OK to say that

[@greatpyrenees559]

@@CelticsAREdaBALLZ I’m from Boston and I just like the team but there are some Tatum super fans just like many other players who just make excuses like he’s there fiancé that they want everybody else to like

[@rich2228]

Offensively, Tatum is like a 90 and JB is like a 84…it’s pretty close. DEFENSIVELY, Tatum is like a 80 and JB is like a 92. So OVERALL JB is the better player if defense means anything to you…

[@ipityplaystationpeasants2305]

2k ratings? Are ya seeing this clown? Lmao

[@El_Fonzo]

Brown gets double teamed a lot and drives left 😂 stop with this tired narrative

[@em6824]

It was a less than 3% difference in double teams between the two for the season per possession. These narrative needs to be fact checked before they talk about it.....

[@El_Fonzo]

@@em6824 💯

[@marcus8030]

@@em6824Exactly they are acting like this is a Jordan Pippen distance between the two when it’s closer to Shaq and Kobe

[@2Phaktz]

I'll give credit to Jayson in that he has matured and is not forcing offense when the defense is geared to stop him. He is also learning how to pick his spots on offense (but I wish he'd go stronger at the rim). As a result, he has a wider impact on the game on both ends the court. That is championship basketball. Getting Marcus Smart out of there really helped Tatum and Brown grow.

[@penkima4923]

In these finals Tatum's shot has been way off, but he's still forcing up the most shots in the series. And Jrue has been the best Celtics, and he's a point guard, but Tatum is still hogging the ball from him, and leading his team in turnovers. Tatum has proven to be a finals choker and selfish. At least he admitted in an interview, that he's nervous in the finals. So he is immature, but he's not an absolute brat like Ant.

[@TWardlawYT]

The scariest person on that team is Holiday

[@BelieveThat_5]

Nah JB a dog

[@TWardlawYT]

@@BelieveThat_5 naw, he be disappearing like Tatum, Holiday saving them

[@BelieveThat_5]

@@TWardlawYT holiday ain't save shit brown way better

[@azooz3w]

Man we needed Mcants for this episode

[@Dantee.15]

The team the Celtics built around Tatum is what the cavs WERE SUPPOSED TO DO for Lebron

[@El_Fonzo]

The team isn't built around Tatum though

[@sogravvyproductions4176]

What the heck are you talking about rookie?

[@silewis9396]

Cleveland never had a former Celtics winner like Danny Ainge or a Brad Stevens that made great decisions. When you realise its really a miracle Cleveland won that 2016 championship

[@codywilliams102]

The Jeter/Arod reference was fantastic. Jeter is was more well rounded than A Rod. But if A Rod was on one you winning 90+ games and you bring fear into your bullpen.

[@hooplogic5989]

Brown a killah and celtics is his team tatum the Robin

[@penkima4923]

Tatum is like Harden. He's the better player in the regular season, and early playoff rounds, but needs a closer teammate.

[@Shsnshdbandjdbd]

Tatum is the better player and it’s clear they see them everyday and gave him the franchise.. even with brown playing good Tatum numbers are amazing his rebounding and playmaking is impressive Jalen scores and defends Tatum does everything we have had season sample sizes and Tatum out performs him in every category 23pts 5reb 3 assist for brown Tatum 27pts 8reb 5 assist

[@penkima4923]

Now that it's becoming evident, that Tatum is a choke artist, even with Tatum's possible better all around game, we can't keep calling Tatum better than Brown, because Brown's not a choker like Tatum.

[@ChrisJoestarr]

Tatum gets way to much praise for a guy shooting like 25% from the field

[@early2000srap]

25% from 3point ain't 25% from the field lol

[@2nifty201]

@@early2000srap30%! get it right

[@jeromejohnson5135]

Tatum in two Finals appearances has struggled mightily shooting the ball. The wholes series against GS and in both games vs Dal. But he helps his stat line with rebounds and assists. But man, ice has definitely hit that elbow. Boy building goddamn mansions with all them bricks!

[@704jizzle2]

Spurs sagged of bron in 07 was he Not the best player

[@trevormanhanga]

Gilbert Arenas ball knowledge is actually elite he always gives valid reasons and explanations for his predictions and observations.

[@penkima4923]

But he can't read stats. So his knowledge can't be elite. And it often shows as bad takes.

[@farrellcityking1]

Nah. Jaylen has been the best player on that team for years now (I’ve been saying that since they played Bron in 2018). Tatum is just more marketable.

[@em6824]

Facts. Tatum got the praise because he dunked on LeBron then the story line was he carried them. When he was a no show in the close out game 6.

[@penkima4923]

Tatum has had better stats than Brown for their entire careers, up until these finals.

[@Jojo_97242]

Light skin privilege

[@marcus8030]

@@Jojo_97242I don’t think it is that

[@globalnewztv]

JB has always been better. Thank y'all for coming to the realization.🔥🏆🔥

[@Sanifoxers]

Tatum is not the superstar the nba wants him to be. He is good, just not super star

[@lucianodadon7822]

I agree these dudes are trying to force him into to superstardom he is just not that

[@topnotchtajmahal7216]

I’ll say borderline superstar he’s not playing bad his shot just isn’t falling right now but he’s doing what a superstar would do if he’s not hitting attack and make plays for your teammates and he’s doing that can’t knock him for that he’s been in playoffs having deep runs for years now

[@DaFactsNoNonsense1713]

He's a superstar, who doesn't need the "media", to glorify him or create "narratives", to keep talking about him = the media doesn't like that, so instead, they're trying their best to "talk" BOS into losing games, while they're playing better than everyone else = only the media has a problem with Tatum, while he's winning because Lebron, KD, Luka, Jokic & Steph, aren't doing this right now, this way because they can't

[@uptownkal3046]

I can't wait for this era where everyone says, "right" after making a point to be over.

[@zeenontharuler5212]

I swear I hate that too

[@CarolEdwards-uw9jj]

You've got talent, keep showcasing it

[@EGarrett01]

2:28 "It's just straight up, right? Because I'm pretty sure he wants to get back to his right, keep him left, right? Keep him to his left, right?"

[@chadbinette3201]

Tatum gets too in his head or something, like Tatum didn't see double teams all year? Tatum can't hit a shot to save his life yet still taking the most shots on the team. Brown isn't scared to put his head down and get to the basket. Its obvious brown is the leader of the team and the gap between Tatum and brown is a lot smaller than most want to admit. Tatum has been making bonehead turnovers. Can almost guarantee brown will score 40+/- points in one of the two games in Dallas. I will say Tatum rebounds and plays defense where most superstars aren't scoring like usual they aren't rebounding. And I don't want to hear about assists, that means someone else made the shit, nothing to be proud about assists unless your a pass first point guard. "I'm getting my 40 Kobe's getting 39" all these years and shaq still has to one up Kobe haha. If Tatum does wake up this series is over.

[@richschneiderman613]

Gills take on Tatum brown n Celtics is spot on in every topic ...now I've seen everything 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@darrylwashington3465]

Gil be on point

[@brodro8571]

Y’all don’t watch enough Celtics basketball or watch enough basketball at all to say jb is better 🤦🏽‍♂️. He is playing better at the moment tho. Tatum commands more double teams, and defense in general. Tatum is a better playmaker, and a better defender. Also averages more points. While having to guard a harder offensive player and being guarded by better defenders. There’s a reason why it’s for the most part only dumbass fans and not players/coaches think that

[@francisco2525]

Jaylen Brown does the hardest things, which is defend at an elite level, while at the same time getting you buckets; even if Tatum is being double or triple team, it is very rare to have another player around you that can give you the production that Brown is giving the Celtics. You put Brown with the Mavs and he would be scoring 30pts a game and Mavs would be up 2-0, even if you double or triple him, how many times has he gone through 3 or 4 guys and scored. In this game, the guy collapsed the defense so many times and passed it out for others to score, but if he wanted, all of those passes he could have taken himself and he would of had more than 30pts with his efficiency. He knows that for the team to win, he needs to create for others so that they get easy three pointers.

[@Shsnshdbandjdbd]

Gil point is most important they tryna drive a wedge in the media

[@iamnaimtheartist]

So one is more consistent and plays better defense. The other one…is a great shooter. I been thought Brown was better but we like to forget about HALF OF BASKETBALL (defense)

[@jeromejohnson5135]

And Jrue has been their most consistent player in back to back games.

[@richarddavis5976]

Gil has an obvious bias when it comes to the Celtics. JB gets as much attention and has been competing at every level the same

[@futurebrnd]

They lost that tinals cuz of tatum..... not brown

[@sinatra6773]

Tatum is not getting double these mfs ain’t watching the games or they don’t sports bet

[@slimfo378]

only one capable scoring 50 in playoffs is LUKA

[@andremears86]

Gil aint lying we need to start ranking espn and fox sports analysts and see how they act 😅

[@stingabee123]

The issue is the Celtics are so stacked and winning that people are wanting Jayson Tatum to be something he is not. Truth is he is not a top 5 or mvp/face of the league caliber player and its the first time in a while a team will win a title without a top 5 talent

[@ipityplaystationpeasants2305]

Bro he is top 5. Giannis, Jokic, Luka, JT, Steph. Those your top 5

[@stingabee123]

@@ipityplaystationpeasants2305 no he's not. He's just on the most stacked team so he wins. He's not better than Jokic Luka Giannis Embid Shai Steph. That's 6, after that it gets debatable with LeBron Anthony Edwards etc. if you replace JT on any of those top 6, those teams get worst. Way worst

[@ipityplaystationpeasants2305]

@stingabee123 Let see embiid numbers drop every year when in playoffs, choked twice in game 7s lost 3 times to JT. Obviously not better even when having great teams. Shai only been relevant for two years still have ways to go. When u gonna stop parroting heliocentric media?

[@stingabee123]

@@ipityplaystationpeasants2305 Tatum's number drops in the playoffs also lol he avg 23 7 and 4. In the finals it's even worst, he's avg 20 7 and 3 with 4 TO a game. Let's be real, If you put Tatum with Tobias Harris Lowry Maxey batum, they don't even make the playin. Tatum is an all star that can be a piece, he doesn't have the ability to carry consistently. Hes too inconsistent

[@ipityplaystationpeasants2305]

@stingabee123 Doesn't have the ability? Should I remind you what happened in 2021 season? JB goes down team is play in and he drops 50 to play Brooklyn round 1. Has a fantastic series only to lose in 5 against a stacked team. Next year, that same team minus Harden gets swept by JT outplaying KD. JT as a rookie took lebron 7 games and was one win away to the nba finals. JT so far has two nba finals appearances, 3x ALL NBA first team, consistently high plus minus and u worried about muh statistics lol. Meanwhile JT has been outputting Luka with higher plus minus in the finals on bad shooting. Casuals like u don't look how he defends screens, close out on gaps, moving the ball handler to the strong side of the court, altering shots, and playmaking. Luka this finals is 68-18-11. JT is 34-20-18. JT is clearly outplaying Luka in playmaking, drawing in defenders, rebounding, and free throws. U so blinded by heliocentric media, that scoring is what makes a superstar when ya superstar Kobe Bryant played like shit in game 7 of 2010 finals and even didn't shoot well that whole series lol. Intentional amnesia is what you suffering from. Top 5 easily

[@monsieurimhim6147]

I promise you the only reason folks say Tatum is better the brown , is cause Tatum is more appealing to the eyes according to the public standards . Tatum may also dribble better, but brown dribbles with a direct purpose, score

[@reigen6558]

It's Jrue Holiday

[@moonpiespotlight4759]

RT

[@mypeople1stwilliam]

I think Brown is better. Been better too. Tatum a beast, but no dog is in him. Also seen him shoot Boston out of too many games in the past.

[@yinkz15]

I agree bro.. almost cost them the game yesterday. Terrible shot selection and cant finish in traffic. Awful layup package

[@jonievans5453]

But y’all do the same thing on who team it is

[@starfish469]

They play team offence and defense. Who's best depends on what they need in a game. Game 2 it was Write and Holiday. game 1 was Brown and Porzingis. Their focus now will be trying to win1 in Dalas, not who their best player is.

[@yoooerenarmin]

Tatum said he’s the best in the league btw

[@em6824]

And now the team is trying to get in front of that bullet. Saying "why does every say Tatum needs to be the best player."

[@Butterwizzop]

Brown is officially better. Even if you dont think he is, he’s saved Tatum time after time after time.