Nick is proof that just cuz u played the game doesn’t mean u know shit.
@Phlibberty4 ай бұрын
Facts. Can’t stand when he’s on the show.
@jayrsoto24074 ай бұрын
He's trash, doesn't deserve to even be in the show
@ChrisBurks-yc7zv4 ай бұрын
U guys act like he comparing him to a bum. Kg is close so this isnt a ridiculous comparison
@donatelloryb4 ай бұрын
@@ChrisBurks-yc7zvu right but let’s be honest Nick be high ashell tweeting a lot of those tweets😂
@ChrisBurks-yc7zv4 ай бұрын
@@donatelloryb I don’t doubt that.
@eghoseisiramen18924 ай бұрын
Tim Duncan was quite literally the system so idk what they’re talking about with that defensive stuff and even the offence
@nodayzoff59024 ай бұрын
He was not the system he just played in the system it was the same system when he got old and won a championship. His first two championships I agree he was the system the next 3 he wasn’t.
@pgiivanlennardesguerra83004 ай бұрын
this mfkers didnt watch the spurs so they are spouting nonsense, ask pop whos is the system and he will clearly tell you its tim duncan. This guys are comparing KG that went to form a super team to duncan who bring a bunch of role players to championships.
@kingcorey29874 ай бұрын
Tim was not the system lol u forgot the admiral was already on the spurs?
@hardwoodthought12134 ай бұрын
@@nodayzoff5902Wait, so the way SA played in 2014 was how they played in 2001? LMFAO, exposed you never watched
@arexyouxepicxenough4 ай бұрын
@@nodayzoff5902 No it wasn't, defence and offense was completely run through him, the offense responsibility changes in 06/07ish to parker and Duncan takes his foot off the gas to help the team overall and be healthy for the playoffs.
@JonReynoldsESQ4 ай бұрын
Duncan has got to be the most under-appreciated player in NBA history.
@LUMBEEPHENOM20124 ай бұрын
Amen
@Dipset4154 ай бұрын
Boring🥱but 1st team all nba his first year in the league championship finals mvp his next year 1st 10 years 3 championships 5 mvps
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
Funny because KG is more under rated than Duncan. If anything, Duncan is over rated.
@darnellwilliams87834 ай бұрын
@JonReyonoldsESQ yall overrated Timothy Duncan he was a system player with Elite Role Players
@user-Tripleggggggg4 ай бұрын
Not really… he usually in most peoples top 10 ever
@RuntheCompound4 ай бұрын
Gil's Arena changing history. The Spurs system was great because Duncan was the system. KG was a system too, but not as great as Duncan. Being louder and flashier doesn't make you better.
@weinaracewarandslaverystar34084 ай бұрын
Them wolves teams wasn’t anywhere near as good as the spurs or the coaching
@hasandelee4 ай бұрын
the wolves had a worse team. tim got drafted to a top 3 team. kg went to the bottom of the nba
@aaronhutchinson8854 ай бұрын
Exactly. Gil talking like Pop not trying to run the same system, before Wemby and after Duncan. It was trash
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
That system was ran by PoP, not Duncan. Stop ✋️. The biggest threat my heat had to face off against in 2013 and 2014 was Pop, not Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, or Leonard.
@darnellwilliams87834 ай бұрын
@@younglove3362facts Duncan was a system player
@Dj.Hylanda4 ай бұрын
Tim Duncan would destroy everybody in the room and then hit you with the same ish he hit Kevin Garnett with "nice try"🤣🤣🤣
@darnellwilliams87834 ай бұрын
@Dj.Hylanda The Way Yall Glaze over Timothy Duncan is Wild Timothy was a system player.he was always Surrounded with Elite Role players
@Dj.Hylanda4 ай бұрын
@darnellwilliams8783 Yeah, but when individual players( other than these guys) talk about Timmy, it ain't what you are saying... he gets the credit and praise. give me someone flowers isn't glazing, and factually, no one in the room shut down Tim Duncan😅
@te-co_debarge4 ай бұрын
@@darnellwilliams8783he created the system. R u serious?
@Stealther4 ай бұрын
@@darnellwilliams8783you think you know better than Shaq and Barkley as well?
@darnellwilliams87834 ай бұрын
@@Stealther Charles barely was a playoff choker
@Mello_Bx_4 ай бұрын
Swag is crazy, " you wasn't brother knowledge"📣😆😆🤣
@jallison54574 ай бұрын
This is not even a debate. Tim Duncan is the greatest power forward of all time. He was more disciplined than KG. Mentally tougher. And he was just a boring fundamentalist, Who’s IQ was off the charts. The man never had a losing season in his career
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
You sound like you started watching basketball in 2009. 🙄
@jallison54574 ай бұрын
@@younglove3362 You telling me KG is better than Duncan
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
@jallison5457 If you knew your history, or actually watched them in their prime" I wouldn't have to tell you. You'd already know.
@jallison54574 ай бұрын
@@younglove3362 Yes , That’s why I said Duncan is better. We can agree to disagree and that’s fine to
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
@@jallison5457 You can agree to disagree. It just makes you wrong. Garnett was better.
@ProfJonJon4 ай бұрын
don’t forget lebron averaged 37 PPG against McCants
@Kaiantentenkumpo4 ай бұрын
And what did you accomplish in life besides sucking off another man? Goof
@filltheglass26184 ай бұрын
Doing too much
@Kaiantentenkumpo4 ай бұрын
What did you accomplish or do except having another man in your mouth? 😂
@Observersdesk4 ай бұрын
Bro is consistent fr💀
@kevintaylor95904 ай бұрын
🤡
@aaronhutchinson8854 ай бұрын
At their peak. Tim was better than KG. Tim was a better post player, larger frame, better paint defender. KG is extremely, extremely talented, but I can't see KG dominate offensively/defensively like Tim did in the 03 finals V the Nets. 04 KG was special, versatile, but even at his peak. He is a notch below. Duncan is a top 5 player all time. The disrespect he gets is unreal.😢 Switch Duncan to Minny. It would have been easier to build around Duncan v KG. Even with the front office mismanagement. He can be 1st team all NBA at the 4 or 5. KG is a 3 turned 4. I think Nic is on the WEEDS!!! with some of his tweets!
@hoopsfan34374 ай бұрын
KG was more versatile defensively tho and could also stretch the floor better than Duncan, which would translate better in today's era than Duncan's game. I agree however that Duncan was a better post player, which during that era was more essential. I think an argument could be made that KG was more skilled though.
@aaronhutchinson8854 ай бұрын
@hoopsfan3437 what is Skill. I agree he was a little more versatile as a 3, when then became a 4 as he put on some weight. Maybe better at switching v the perimeter on D. Better for this era. Maybe..I think a dominate post will always be needed. On the block there is little that anyone could do to stop Duncan. He has a solid 10 to 15 ft shot, he didn't pick and pop as much. I think KG did, because his post offense wasn't as strong, and used his speed, quickness v other 4s as his scoring. Not that he wasn't a good post scorer, just not as dominate. Fundamentally, Duncan has him beat with footwork, positioning etc
@AA-ch5pd4 ай бұрын
Let’s remember who made this asinine comment. I don’t think KG would even co sign this BS
@SeNs3NoEviL4 ай бұрын
KGs peak was way higher its not even really close. KG was fast and big enough to guard 1-5, he could switch to a one or two, stay in front of them, chase down a block, then run down the floor a pop a 20 foot jumper in your face. KG had handles and was also a great passer too. Timmy D was great but was really on had a post game and was a great low post defender. He play for better teams his whole career which is why he has 5 rings, put him on another team and he doesnt have the same success.
@chrisromeo62774 ай бұрын
Watch kg play. He didn’t have a team like Duncan for years. Duncan was a system player. Kg skill wise was better than Duncan. He had the dawg in him to. Duncan was more of a silent killer. Give me the fkn serial killer.
@JohnDoe-k5r4 ай бұрын
I'd give it to Timmy. He was better for longer. I still remember him out playing Bosh in the finals at 38. This debate is sorta like comparing Dame vs Curry.
@JohnDoe-k5r4 ай бұрын
Also I wonder how many chips Timmy would've won with Ray Allen, Paul Pierce and Rondo.
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m4 ай бұрын
@@JohnDoe-k5rTimmy Duncan played in a system and was a team player
@vante95884 ай бұрын
Except KG is the better overall talent. He could do more than TD could.
@Mick-z4o3 ай бұрын
No dAme never win a mvp so we can’t say it
@allengreene99543 ай бұрын
@@vante9588. If He could he would have did it.
@prophetx84824 ай бұрын
Spurs can't beat lakers wit KG. Tim was the force on both ends to at least slow Shaw down. KG too light
@123FUG334 ай бұрын
Matchup matters and Duncan better off going against Shaq than KG
@kingbrianw55824 ай бұрын
Facts
@jaetoner12204 ай бұрын
It wasn’t just TIm tho lol the spurs team was defensively better
@NewEraNoah4 ай бұрын
The lakers with KG? We just making up teams that didn’t exist now?
@jaaymurray36082 ай бұрын
@@NewEraNoahreading comprehension ain’t for everybody huh?
@carbonsteelmaniac6524 ай бұрын
Tim Duncan is every coach ideal player. Talented and technical skilled with selfless discipline, he made the team work competitively. He’s probably the most unproblematic player with a career comparable to Kobe. It’s no debate with kg
@alod2474 ай бұрын
Saying Kobe’s career was “unproblematic” is WILD. Public teammate beefs, trade demands, off the court issue. KG was way less “problematic” a player than Kobe.
@mystaplays35694 ай бұрын
@@alod247read it again he didn’t say Kobe’s was not unproblematic
@AGholst5024 ай бұрын
@alod247 yeah you didn't read what he wrote
@josepht33774 ай бұрын
Can’t measure KG timberwolves vs the whole spurs team
@BlendTeam4 ай бұрын
That’s cool , we’ve all heard the same news and interviews you have 😂 so we know what was said
@dongreenwood39244 ай бұрын
Stop it. Even Barkley said Tim is the best PF of all time and chuck's better than KG.
@Doknot-tb9ey4 ай бұрын
You can make an argument for KG being better than Charles.
@SeNs3NoEviL4 ай бұрын
Chuck isnt better than KG lol
@josepht33774 ай бұрын
Tim had the franchise,coach,teammates… bad faith argument
@Rellbronjames94 ай бұрын
Chuck is not better than KG say no to drugs
@kenneth93384 ай бұрын
@@josepht3377what about 03 where he put on a absolutely carry job in the playoffs
@ShawnSco14 ай бұрын
TIM DUNCAN TOP 5 all time
@reganhatcher15794 ай бұрын
🤔 I have him about 6 but can’t argue with top 5.
@taegotkashАй бұрын
I agree, I have it like 1. Wilt 2. Kareem 3. MJ 4. Bron 5. Timmy Then bird, magic, Kobe etc
@FteDev5 күн бұрын
@@taegotkashjust trash af
@officialtresosa4 ай бұрын
I guess we don’t count IQ, Fundamentals, and availability nomore
@NewMojo714 ай бұрын
These dudes don't even take it into consideration
@Imichaelperry4 ай бұрын
Kg and Lamar Odom was the evolution of the PF position for that era they were PF with small guy skills
@amontgomery44684 ай бұрын
The fact that Nick didn't even know that Duncan was the #1 pick tells you all u need to know about his basketball takes.
@Bigrunline6 күн бұрын
You tripping kg was drafted out of high school
@vante4745 күн бұрын
Here's there for the laughs, dude 🤣
@KnownUnknown194 ай бұрын
I’ll never understand the disrespect for Duncan and Olajuwon. They have the numbers and the chips and dominated their competition.
@aldinviray29704 ай бұрын
One thing I know, Spurs would not win that first chip against that Knicks team if it were a rookie KG instead of Duncan.
@lazndora20264 ай бұрын
they don't win in 03 too
@misteralfred4594 ай бұрын
Duncan wasn’t a rookie.. he was 24
@aldinviray29704 ай бұрын
@@misteralfred459 you are right 3rd year.
@tankster9374 ай бұрын
It was his second year. @@aldinviray2970
@byronpayne48244 ай бұрын
KG came out of HS
@randomdude123704 ай бұрын
Tim is better. I hate the disrespect on Tim.
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
KG was better. Y'all stay disrespecting KG.
@eternity38224 ай бұрын
@@younglove3362KG a twig compared to Tim Duncan
@chillyoungapex85454 ай бұрын
That’s not disrespect kg just as good
@darnellwilliams87834 ай бұрын
@@eternity3822Duncan was carried heavy by his elite role players Duncan is a glorified system player Duncan Greg Pop said Manu would've been a Superstar anywhere
@user-Tripleggggggg4 ай бұрын
It’s not disrespect to b compared to Another phenomenal player… tf u talkin bout
@GLENISgotastorytotell4 ай бұрын
Resident spurs fan here, it is laughable that people keep disrespecting Tim Duncan. Duncan WAS THE SPURS SYSTEM!!!!! Since he’s been gone the spurs ain’t sniffed a finals.
@juicelord47924 ай бұрын
Correction: Since Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobli, Tony Parker, David Robinson, Robert Horry, Bruce Bowen, Kawhi Leonard aren’t there, they haven’t made a finals.
@GLENISgotastorytotell4 ай бұрын
@@juicelord4792 they literally had those dudes when Duncan left and didn’t make the finals 😂😂😂😂
@juicelord47924 ай бұрын
@@GLENISgotastorytotell by your brain dead logic Tim Duncan should’ve been able to repeat a title at least once then right? My point is that the Spurs had GREAT talent around him as they should. To say it’s all Tim Duncan when they couldn’t repeat at his peak is ridiculous
@GLENISgotastorytotell4 ай бұрын
@@juicelord4792 that litterally has nothing to do with what I said lol you do use comprehension well. I said that Tim Duncan was the system, what does winning back to back titles have to do with that 😂😂😂😂 NOTHING!!!!
@juicelord47924 ай бұрын
@@GLENISgotastorytotell you’re literally a moron. You said that implying that Spurs success is entirely based on Tim. If that’s the case, why didn’t the Spurs repeat with Tim? If Tim is the system, why didn’t he win finals MVP’s 5x instead of 3x while his teammates got 2 of them? He’s the system, right? 🤣🤣😂
@akingstruth4 ай бұрын
Gil was completely wrong about Cassell. Sam was doing the same numbers with the Bucks for multiple seasons b4. He left out Sprewell. Cassell and Spree were KG's, manu and parker
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m4 ай бұрын
Gil doesn’t understand, it’s about making your teammates better which is what Tim Duncan did.
@shinsukecorbin4254 ай бұрын
Spree had legal troubles he wasn’t Manu..And TP was a way better offensive player than Sammy
@JonReynoldsESQ4 ай бұрын
@@shinsukecorbin425 Y'all don't remember Tony Parker getting benched for Speedy Claxton in the finals cause he couldn't throw a rock in the ocean for two games straight?
@allengreene9954Күн бұрын
@@JonReynoldsESQ Tony didn’t become Tony until like 06 and 07.
@SSSMOR.4 ай бұрын
Tim duncan would not of stayed in Minnesota as long as kevin Garnett did
@bigbuzin5554 ай бұрын
Considering Tim never left San Antonio and took smaller deals to stay… You don’t know that.
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m4 ай бұрын
So it’s Tim Duncan fault he got drafted to a great situation in San Antonio?
@keiseanb14 ай бұрын
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mHe almost left San Antonio lol. Doc Rivers is to blame for him staying in San Antonio.
@gokublaclivesmatter27664 ай бұрын
Tim never left the spurs
@charlesellis95714 ай бұрын
He also came in dominant while KG was young… Minnesota would be much different and KG may not have played a big role early on and they probably wouldn’t have won a ring with David Robinson
@LUMBEEPHENOM20124 ай бұрын
If Duncan had dreads and tats and was trash talking everybody people would call him the Goat.
@TBb-h7r4 ай бұрын
If Duncan was averaging 30
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m4 ай бұрын
Tim Duncan does have dreads
@deanthelemur17164 ай бұрын
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mnot then
@nodayzoff59024 ай бұрын
Never
@louisreed254 ай бұрын
U should slow tim was boring to watch tht was the problem 😂😂
@derrickparham67614 ай бұрын
If Rashad was there, he would've said something like: "If you take away the accolades, Taj Gibson is actually a better all time PF than BOTH of them because he's a better pure hooper 🤷🏾♂️👑"
@josheasy67163 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 Dkm ..
@OILDHANS88414 ай бұрын
Saying KG would have had more rings would be discrediting Timmy skills , coach pop can coach but Timmy got to put the ball in the basket .
@darylvondutch60964 ай бұрын
or maybe its accrediting kg...?
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
KG winning the same amount as Duncan with PoP and Duncan losing the same amount on the T. Wolves as KG. Y'all need to stop trying to change the narrative, POp is the best coach in the NBA.
@pradayou54054 ай бұрын
KG was playing with Wally, Sam Cassell, and Sprewell. Let KG rock with David Robinson and then Tony, Manu, Bruce Bowen, and then Kawhi while having a top 3 coach of all time, and KG would have more than 1 ring. Similar to how T-Mac would've seen the same type of success as Kobe if he played with Shaq and Gasol.
@Its_Shaq4 ай бұрын
@@pradayou5405not true t Mac had a Yao, grant hill but all 3 of them couldn’t stay healthy even when they was healthy they couldn’t make it out the first round , the year they made it past the first round t Mac was out Ron artest was on the team that day
@darnellwilliams87834 ай бұрын
@@younglove3362facts KG would've easily won with Greg Pop those Spurs teams had Elite Role Players always
@GH-cd6oq4 ай бұрын
Even KG says Tim was better
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
If he said that then it's because if accolades. But skill wise, KG dominates. And I bet KG would stand on that.
@GH-cd6oq4 ай бұрын
@@younglove3362Bro KG said it himself but you over here glazing for him. Pause
@YouReallyDontKnow4 ай бұрын
@@GH-cd6oqand you’re acting like a dumbass on purpose like players don’t say other players were better than them or on their level just cause they’re being nice or humble. This shit ain’t new dude lol
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
@@GH-cd6oq Coming from someone talking about glazing. You're one to talk putting stuff in his mouth. Stupid kids 🙄
@Pswayze234 ай бұрын
kg is better at most things, but only by a little bit. tim is better low post scorer by a wide margin, and could take more physicality in the paint. Kgs defense is arguably the greatest of all time. If I have a go to scorer, im taking kg, if i dont im taking tim.
@choppabrown37414 ай бұрын
There’s a difference between BETTER and GREATER. Duncan was both but KG was such a great player as well
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
Duncan was better if you're a casual and didn't watch them play. KG was actually the best player I'm the league at a point.
@choppabrown37414 ай бұрын
@@younglove3362 Duncan was always better and more dominant than KG. Even KG outta his own mouth always said Duncan was the better player during their time
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
@choppabrown3741 okay casual. Keep telling yourself that. You're talking to someone that lived in the era and watched them both play. KG was overall better.
@hoopsfan34374 ай бұрын
Yes thank you. I think most people feel that Duncan is the goat PF, however the case could be made that at their peaks KG was a better overall player.
@eghoseisiramen18924 ай бұрын
@@younglove3362is KG said it himself who tf are u to say otherwise just cause you “watched” it
@moco34764 ай бұрын
don’t forget Clark scored 28 and 11 against Lexi
@jalilcook51134 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@DreamHHS4 ай бұрын
Nah that’s crazy 🤣🤣
@Insane_king7134 ай бұрын
Dammmm 😂😂😂😂
@BigDic-qz8su4 ай бұрын
They never played each other. They weren't in college at the same time . Stop making shit up
@BigDic-qz8su4 ай бұрын
@@DreamHHSthey never played against each other
@BlairsNGhana4 ай бұрын
KG and Duncan average 20 pts 12 reb vs Kenyon... Dirk average vs Kenyon 25.5 pts 9.5 rebs 😮
@coolbeans34144 ай бұрын
😂dawg look up dirks career he’s legit slept on he should have won like 2-3 MVPs instead of 1 also he could have also made more final appearances he was nasty with a shot that was impossible to block
@mauricecalhoun56084 ай бұрын
@@coolbeans3414 They stole 1 from him..
@kjjr32704 ай бұрын
Never forget that Lebron was averaging 37 against McCants.
@Kaiantentenkumpo4 ай бұрын
What did you avg except having another man proud for his nuts being in your hands 😂?
@hippieseven55824 ай бұрын
Get your own thing
@perseverancelite14 ай бұрын
To say a player is a better player when the player you’re BIGGIN UP said that other player is BETTER is CRAZY!!!
@shinsukecorbin4254 ай бұрын
KG went off accolades tho
@JonReynoldsESQ4 ай бұрын
It's insanity.
@juicelord47924 ай бұрын
@@shinsukecorbin425and experience playing against him multiple times a year. In the west they played 4 games a season against each other
@t-lawsfitness60444 ай бұрын
If you haven't noticed, these fake hood players always pick the more hood, street type players. So kg over Duncan makes sense. Once you see it you can't unsee it
@moneymanhussein84454 ай бұрын
Ima hood nigga and i will pick tim duncan every time
@CrisJunkie4 ай бұрын
I mean, there's a reason why Paul Pierce has a finals MVP, KG has none, and Tim has 3.
@earspeak18844 ай бұрын
Great basketball content during the off-season 💯 ❤
@unwashedPapi4 ай бұрын
Hakeem was better than KG
@Dipset4154 ай бұрын
Water is wet🤪
@rolandwashington11004 ай бұрын
Hakeem a center
@Pswayze234 ай бұрын
better than tim too
@-crixusdingess65624 ай бұрын
of course
@unwashedPapi4 ай бұрын
@@rolandwashington1100 yeah, they both had a similar game though
@BrotherCarpenter4 ай бұрын
Duncan is Top 5 All-Time... The big fundamental is what they called him. Very consistent on both ends
@1227weaverb4 ай бұрын
KG only had like nine 30 point playoff games in his entire career compared to thirty plus 30 point playoff games for Duncan. KG has always been more of a Pippen(that’s not a diss) type player. Clearly great and extremely versatile but much better as a 2nd option. He never proved he could take over down the stretch of playoff games the way Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Dirk, LBJ, Wade proved they could do even in his same era. His back to the basket game was pretty much nonexistent late in games and he would settle for too many jumpers and not get to the FT line. I’m not saying he should have won a ring in Minnesota but c’mon man stop disrespecting Duncan because he wasn’t flashy.
@Pogol134 ай бұрын
Well said! I’m having a conversation with my cousin about this right now and you said pretty much what I’ve been saying.
@shinsukecorbin4254 ай бұрын
KG damn near single-handedly took them to the conference what are you talking about?? KG was also one of the first players since Pip to average team highs in all the major categories
@SolaceMcfly4 ай бұрын
@@shinsukecorbin425you completely missed the point
@shinsukecorbin4254 ай бұрын
@@SolaceMcfly nah I got the point..Point is Timmy doesn’t win that many unless he goes to the Spurs..
@rigor2524 ай бұрын
Forget championships. Does Kg even get the spurs past the lakers in 2003?
@Pogol134 ай бұрын
Thank you! I just said the same thing to my cousin while watching this clip. People say “put KG on that Spurs team and they win just as many if not more championships,” but it is never that simple. They don’t take into consideration the teams the Spurs went through to get to the mountain top. I do not believe KG gets that 2003 Spurs team past the Lakers. Parker was being subbed out for Speedy Claxton at the end of playoff games because he couldn’t shoot. It was Manu’s first season playing for the team. D. Rob was a shell of himself. KG would not have been enough IMO, but Tim was. I even question whether the Spurs would have beaten that Pistons team in ‘05 if you replaced Tim with KG.
@rigor2524 ай бұрын
@@Pogol13 it blows my mind that people think tony and manu came into the league as the players they became. Hell, some think David was still in his prime in the early 2000's
@shinsukecorbin4254 ай бұрын
Those Wolves teams wasn’t beating those teams y’all gotta stop the bs..Lakers had Shaq and Kobe that couldn’t be beat yet y’all expected KG to do it with no real offensive help??
@jenkinsmanly-spain12524 ай бұрын
1 Ring vs 5 Rings. 1 Ring Wins. Swaggy Math 😂
@Mak14264 ай бұрын
Swaggy dumb as hell
@ZVYWMx4 ай бұрын
Team vs player
@troy49044 ай бұрын
Learn how to listen to listen instead of listening to respond. 💩 is embarrassing
@eternity38224 ай бұрын
Nick Young is a benchwarmer talking shit about a Superstar his opinion is already invalid
@gmfbishop57944 ай бұрын
@@eternity3822but yours carries more weight?… 💀
@veemiyagimusic38924 ай бұрын
This the prime example of why having more "skill(s)" doesnt make you a better player.
@RedMan-zv5zg4 ай бұрын
Put Tim in Minnesota, they would've had a system. Tim didn't need to handle the ball. He was a hooper. He set screens created opportunities for lane driving and open shots. He sunk down properly on the block or high post. He played the game the right way for a PF. That's why he's the best.
@genghiskhan8024 ай бұрын
Did Minnesota have Popovich? It goes both ways. Pop created a system around Tim. Tim made it work.
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m4 ай бұрын
@@genghiskhan802Minnesota was no slouch
@mit96234 ай бұрын
KG could have won titles with the Spurs but not as many and he would not have had 20 yrs success like Duncan had. KG and Duncan had wildly different personalities. KG's personality i dont think would have fit with Pop and the Spurs as well as Duncan did imo. KG wore his heart on his sleeve and wasnt afraid to speak his mind. Duncan was more even keel and mild mannered. Both are good in different ways but for the Spurs system Duncan fits better than KG.
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
KG would have won just as many, if not more, with the Spurs. He actually makes the Spurs team better and wouldn't have to work as hard.
@Najdorf_4 ай бұрын
@@younglove3362KG had more talented teams in the early 00s and he only got out of the first round ONCE! KG ain't taking 39yo Robinson, Kerr, rookie Manu and sophomore to a championship, let's be real now
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
@Najdorf_ kG had more talent in the 2000's?????? Really????? 🙄
@Najdorf_4 ай бұрын
@@younglove3362 well definitely yeah, we can name em if u want to
@shinsukecorbin4254 ай бұрын
@@Najdorf_bruh KG had a old Cassell, a troubled Spree and a shooter in Wally..Please elaborate how that group is better than Robinson, Parker, Manu?? Hell I think you forgot Timmy had one of the most versatile big men of the 2000s in Boris D
@lemgunz88294 ай бұрын
Y ALL FORGOT. TIMMY IS THE SYSTEM!! NO TD NO RINGS FOR SPURS!!
@shinsukecorbin4254 ай бұрын
Y’all must forget Parker won a finals MVP over Timmy..It wasn’t just Timmy
@nolaboycap4 ай бұрын
@@shinsukecorbin425against….. Cleveland right? Point proven.
@tezalinie4 ай бұрын
Salute to K-Mart tru OG on 6:32 the podcast "Knowledgeable" & " Laid back " Straight to the Mfin point
@TbellNoTacos4 ай бұрын
Tim has the most defensive teams selections of all time. Not just amongst big men
@hardwoodthought12134 ай бұрын
By a wide margin as well. 20% more selections than second place
@CSL214Y4 ай бұрын
One of the top 10 arguments on this show
@ericward11514 ай бұрын
I honestly don't know why You guys even bring Nick Young on. He isn't a very good public speaker, he never stays on topic, he is incapable of defending his own position, and you can barely understand what he says. It's like listening to an auto tuned trap rapper with dyslexia read sports article written by Kendrick Perkins.
@JayCity104 ай бұрын
The weed, alcohol, other drugs, and sheer stupidity, all in his system, makes him the perfect chaotic guest.
@Deal23064 ай бұрын
Cause he’s a homie who knows enough about basketball. This isn’t First Take so every guest or co-host doesn’t need to act like they know everything about everything it’s fine to just have a chill person present 14:18
@bocbay74804 ай бұрын
Flip Saunders coached Garnett for 10 years and appeared in only 1 West Finals. After leaving the Wolves, Saunders replaced Larry Brown as coach of the Detroit Pistons with similar Championship lineup, and went to play back-to-back East Finals on his first two seasons. So is it the system? Or the player has to do with it? On the other hand, before Tim Duncan arrived in San Antonio, the team had ZERO NBA Finals appearance and ZERO NBA Titles. The same is true since he retired. And if Tim Duncan has the personality of KG and go around pod casts after pod casts to argue his case, he would be competing for the no. 1 GOAT position.
@cwtack244 ай бұрын
How many chips did the great Spurs system win before and after Duncan?? - 🍩
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
How many great players did the Spurs have before and after Duncan? 0
@khallidnurse24044 ай бұрын
@@younglove3362 Thats the point.
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
@@khallidnurse2404 My point is that Duncan needed Greg. I don't know what you're point is.
@cwtack244 ай бұрын
@@younglove3362 Ever hear of David Robinson? Also, multiple attempts were made to bring in all-stars after Duncan that failed
@JP-jd8wr4 ай бұрын
The main difference is that Tim Duncan was better as the go to guy when it mattered most. KG was more of a secondary player in those moments. KG was more AD and TD was more Barkley.
@MrQuicky24074 ай бұрын
Funnily enough none of these guys were winners like Duncan. They don't understand what it takes.
@amontgomery44684 ай бұрын
For the first 10 yrs, Tim Duncan WAS THE SYSTEM! Duncan demanded a double team, NO ONE could guard him 1 on 1..KG on the other hand didn't require a double team.
@skeetajohnson4 ай бұрын
KG is a better raw talent. Duncan is a better fit for a team because of his effeciency and rebounding. KG is one of the greats; however, Duncan dominated a prime Kobe and Shaq.
@jaesall35194 ай бұрын
This is crazy I don't even think KG agrees with this If you put KG in that "system" it's going to be a all different "system" Offense and defense was ran thru Tim Idk if KG want that responsible
@LUMBEEPHENOM20124 ай бұрын
Tim Duncan was the best player in the 2000s era, I’m taking him over Kobe hands down. Stop disrespecting the Big Fundamental!!!
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
Actually KG was the best player from 2002 to 2004. He was a big with all the skills of a small. Basically LeBron before LeBron.
@aaronhutchinson8854 ай бұрын
This is a fact. It's not a question to me. That was Duncan era, he just wasn't flashy
@officialchoccypop4 ай бұрын
Lmao hell no! Check the head to head.
@SymbianBlack4 ай бұрын
@@younglove3362you smokin strong dope if you can compare KG to Lebron…… I’m not a Lebron fan
@darrellsaunders60894 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 Tim wasn't even top 3 bum
@EdgarasLukošius4 ай бұрын
One thing yall forgot to take account of that Timmy had better or comparable stats to KG while having better players around him, where as KG was the alpha and omega of the timberwolves. Look at how KG's numbers dropped when he joined Boston (aka a team with some talent). In my opinion timmy was more efficient more dependable and even aged more gracefully than KG did. Even till his last 3 years in the league timmy was still a problem, while KG was just a name on the court
@brooklynblack90154 ай бұрын
These guys say Duncan is better is only better than kg because of accolades…that’s the point of playing the games is winning titles and getting accolades these guys make no sense…Duncan is a better player than kg simple
@shinsukecorbin4254 ай бұрын
Timmy got most of his accolades cause his team was always top 3 compared to KG team who was damn near 8th seed
@brooklynblack90154 ай бұрын
@@shinsukecorbin425 that’s kg fault make your team better than Tim team lol 😂
@nathanaelverduzco914 ай бұрын
Someone please tell gil that Casell was averaging 19-20 years before he went to Min
@@younglove3362the years KG missed the playoffs because he didn’t make his teammates better like TD did .. TD teams never missed the playoffs.. He didn’t have to leave to find it either.. his team played for him .. ask Starbury 😂😂
@Pswayze234 ай бұрын
@@johnnytijerina4122 When you have coach pop, tony parker, manu, david robinson, bruce bowen and kawhi leonard, making playoffs isnt that hard
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
@johnnytijerina4122 If KG didn't make his team mates better then why does KG have more assist than Duncan?????
@johnnytijerina41224 ай бұрын
@@Pswayze23 so does when you have Phil Jackson Pippen Rodman .. you gonna say Jordan wasn’t as good either because he had a good team and coach or naw .. KG had better players in Minnesota 🤷🏽♂️
@SSSMOR.4 ай бұрын
Tim duncan was actually a center playing power forward because david Robinson was on spurs when they drafted duncan since duncan had success playing power forward they kept him at power forward
@chrissams62304 ай бұрын
Shaq Made Timmy a power forward
@sylviaadkins62084 ай бұрын
Duncan was a big pf he always stayed at pf even after David left splitter and Naz Muhammed started at Creve m center in the spurs small ball line ups he played center but Duncan was a big pf that's all especially for the Era he more of a center than this new Era but he's basically AD better at pf but can play center but I still think kg was a monster with more skill but Tim size is what made him better but again if kg and him switched teams I think you gotta think if you put Tim on that Celtics team and kg on that kawhi team and go from there Tim more of a scorer and kg defense is crazy so it's a hard pick I'm still not sure I actually like webber switch them with him and what you got?
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
They all played the 4 and 5. Except Shaq, he just played the 5.
@darnellwilliams87834 ай бұрын
@SSSMOR Duncan was a actually a system player with Elite Role Players you can't change history
@awdrpepper4 ай бұрын
@@darnellwilliams8783 They only way that statement makes sense is if Tim Duncan was the "system"...
@Getdown83194 ай бұрын
Tim Duncan came into the NBA as that guy. He was a legit sure fire thing if u ever seen one. Duncan made all nba 1st team as a rookie. Defensive second team as a rookie. He came in 5th for DPOTY as a rookie. People forget because he played so damn long time.
@SirJayno4 ай бұрын
Timmy literally carried 2003 spurs. What makes u think he cant do it with the wolves?
@ShinMojoJojo4 ай бұрын
Gil is right about KG deferring. People forget when Scottie Pippen called KG out for disappearing in the 4th quarter. He was the OG 3 qtr superstar. No hate but I remember them games.
@roddyb53104 ай бұрын
nick young taking kobe over mj and taking kg over duncan bro insane
@jamaalgilbert4 ай бұрын
KG did get the wolves out the first round but they ran into those Lakers. The year the wolves had sprewell, Sam Castell etc etc that was KG best team to get to the champion. I feel Kenyan means Tim Duncan would make Minnesota a more consistent playoff team, maybe? IMO thoughts?
@Gemini0507884 ай бұрын
I don’t have any beef with this opinion. We all debated it at some point.
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m4 ай бұрын
Question, with the game on the line in the 4th quarter who do you trust more with the basketball in their hands Tim Duncan or KG?
@Gemini0507884 ай бұрын
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m Depends on the scenario. If a designed post play is run probably Timmy, but clock running down ball gets passed to him 18 feet from the bucket with 5 seconds left and has to get his own shot? I’m taking Ticket.
@NewEraNoah4 ай бұрын
The goal posts move so much in how you determine who is better. You bring up Jordan they run right to rings. But KG is better than Duncan who has 5 lmao and more individual accolades too. Stop it.
@treball82304 ай бұрын
If Duncan went to the Celtics with pierce and Ray Allen they would have 3 peated
@AuthorLothian4 ай бұрын
Ahhm not so fast there. The second year kg missed the playoffs. Last year Celtics lost in seven in the finals to the Lakers when perk was out and they got outrebounded by 24 put some context to what you're saying.
@kshaun844 ай бұрын
They forgot that Duncan won rookie of the month every month on way to rookie of the year
@hardwoodthought12134 ай бұрын
He was also All-NBA 1st team and top 7 in MVP voting Duncan was already elite. People who think he needed SA to be great are insane
@patsnation84274 ай бұрын
Spurs system hasn't been the same since Timmy left. That's how you know he was great.
@shinsukecorbin4254 ай бұрын
Bruh they didn’t win anything in those last years of Timmy career lol..That team was completely stripped once Timmy left
@patsnation84274 ай бұрын
@@shinsukecorbin425 They won titles at his peak, Duncan was the Spurs system.
@HaZe_eKkO4 ай бұрын
Ngl the red ad bar up top is a nice touch ❤
@remingtonporter17344 ай бұрын
I've said this before in a few FB NBA groups in regards to KG vs. Duncan. If you are drafted and you have; David Robinson, Sean Elliott, Mario Ellie, Kevin Willis, Malik Rose, Avery Johnson, Vinny del Negro, Antonio Daniels, Steve Kerr, and what was left of Will Purdue, you better get that to the finish line with a 🏆!
@johnnytijerina41224 ай бұрын
You realize the Spurs had the worst record and won the lottery to pick Duncan .. Robinsons back was done at that point .. Duncan did not miss the playoffs in his career even when those players left and retired .. KG didn’t make his teammates better .. Duncan got new teammates and still won’t titles .. he didn’t have to leave to find one
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m4 ай бұрын
@@johnnytijerina4122Gil’s Arena is looking at it 1vs1 when basketball is a team sport. No wonder none of them accomplished anything in the league.
@Dologaming244 ай бұрын
If Tim Is drafted to Minnesota, Minnesota Is now the Spurs. They disrespecting Duncan’s skills on both sides of the ball. He was a great Individual defender.
@akemegbebu78074 ай бұрын
Maaaannn where's mccants when you need him. He wouldn't have let this slide. No way K.G is better than Duncan.
@billyracoma78434 ай бұрын
Even KG would not believe that tweet
@stackntax13084 ай бұрын
Duncan was more dominant on the box than KG ticket was more of a mid range scorer he wasn’t the post player Duncan was which means he didn’t get the team in foul trouble and he couldn’t command a double team to get teammates easy looks
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
Duncan was better in the paint and shot blocks. KG was better at literally everything else. That's why he's one of the few players that lead his team in multiple statics.
@Herscheyyz4 ай бұрын
“You wasn’t brother knowledge at that time Kenyon” lol Nick is a good addition to the couch
@GH-cd6oq4 ай бұрын
KG was just louder and more annoying
@wordonthestreetpodcast54724 ай бұрын
No more flashy, more imposing to an opponent, pops off screen . Although I believe Tim is better u sound like a hater
@wordonthestreetpodcast54724 ай бұрын
And kg can guard 1-5
@younglove33624 ай бұрын
And more skilled.
@GH-cd6oq4 ай бұрын
@@wordonthestreetpodcast5472Theres a literal famous picture of KG and Tim and KG is yelling in his ear. Lmao this isn’t up for debate
@darnellwilliams87834 ай бұрын
@@GH-cd6oqcasual KG was a better defender scorer rebounder and passed than Timothy Duncan who was a system player With Elite Role Players
@FupaDoncic4 ай бұрын
Tim Duncan was a different animal in the playoffs too. Remember Pop let his players coast.
@Chiefkingme4 ай бұрын
If you put Tim Duncan on Minnesota Timberwolves he'll have 10,000 more points if you put kg on San Antonio he wouldn't be KG because that's popovich's team
@Bk771834 ай бұрын
Tim always made the huge correct plays, KG did not. Tim was like a great quarterback he made the right plays in crunch more often than most aspecially over kg when he got the ball from tony parker up at the high post
@echamp24484 ай бұрын
Don’t forget Kobe averaged 29.8 PPG against Gilbert Arenas
@pig77634 ай бұрын
Side note k mart sock be cold ngl
@ly_bb4 ай бұрын
Duncan is clearly better, I don't even get the argument. The spurs were the spurs because of Duncan. You can give credit to KG without taking shine away from Duncan. KG had to deal with bad front office forever. That's a fact. It doesn't mean he'd have 5 rings if he were in Tim Duncan's place. Garnett should be compared to Dirk. Duncan is far and away the best at his position ever
@Taylor-drywallDotcom4 ай бұрын
Yall just young. Duncan vs Kg was a legitmate convo during the early 2000...
@ly_bb4 ай бұрын
@@Taylor-drywallDotcomand Duncan won that resoundingly. Duncan had 21-20-10-8 in a finals game.
@Chompirita4 ай бұрын
@@ly_bbwhat happened to Duncan in the Olympics? Yeah his team was destroy by his Hof teammate
@shinsukecorbin4254 ай бұрын
So if Timmy made the Spurs so good why does Parker have a finals MVP over him?? Saying the team was good cause of Timmy would imply Timmy won every finals MVP when we know he didn’t win them all
@marlonthemightysmith78364 ай бұрын
Nick Youngs knowledge of basketball is is equal to ice spices knowledge of nuclear fusion
@jm_funk7774 ай бұрын
That 2003 Spurs championship was a carry job by Timmy D. Do you think KG could have carried that '03 team?
@beverlypark25974 ай бұрын
Kg is better to me too
@OILDHANS88414 ай бұрын
You tweaking
@kjjr32704 ай бұрын
Rage bait used to be believable
@Mak14264 ай бұрын
U dumb as hell
@Mak14264 ай бұрын
Duncan all day
@GhoulHead334 ай бұрын
nick is goated for telling kenyon he too angry lmfao
@justingutube4 ай бұрын
I'm from MN and went to many MN vs Spurs games and Tim always cooked KG. I absolutely love KG, but Duncan was much better and could FINISH games, which KG always had a hard time doing!!!
@karimw.99544 ай бұрын
Sam Cassell averaged 19.8 pts in that first season with the Wolves and 19.7 the two seasons prior.
@ChasePops4 ай бұрын
The Tim Duncan disrespect is crazy. He was the system stop saying it was the team giving Pop all the credit when Pop wouldn’t be shot without Tim
@brooklynblack90154 ай бұрын
Duncan made pop
@majinblack274 ай бұрын
This is wild! Winning is a SKILL few possess at the level Duncan owned it. KG undoubtedly more popular but Duncan clears him easily.
@BuffyFreak1924 ай бұрын
Bruuuuuh the end "Bro you just to angry. They don't like you" bruuuuuuh I'm dead.
@khalida84624 ай бұрын
I won’t say he’s better but it’s closer than people think. Out of the top ten players of all time how many are drafted to winning organizations. How many of the others got traded to one early and played with another all time great. How many of them had an organization that eventually made the right picks and trades. No one in nba history won a championship with no help and a poor front office. Despite that common fans act like the top ten players are there solely on their own ability. In another time line this top ten could look a lot different.
@abaileyjr974 ай бұрын
Duncan is just more unstoppable in the paint with the left and right jump hooks, running hooks, blowing by with easy layups. Duncan gets easier baskets and he’s unstoppable doing it efficiently. Even with the bank shot . Duncan has all of the moves. KG is just superior with outside jumper and he had the turnaround fade. Of course he was versatile too as well. But his tendency is the outside jumper.
@gheewhiz3 ай бұрын
duncan all day. smarts over talent, AND he had both!
@phillybul2154 ай бұрын
The hooper and scorer argument is like the hip hop and rap argument lol…hooping is the overall thing and scoring is what u do …like u could also be a hooper but you a defender ….hip hop is the overall and rap is one of the elements …like being a DJ or break dancing
@swishbenoit44894 ай бұрын
Lmaoooo nick just said the most real shit anyone ever said to Kenyon that’s a friend