LeBron James DIDN’T Need Heat Culture To Be Great

[@north_rrose]

" Did he take the Heat Culture with him ? " 😂😂😂😂 underrated statement

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

Gil didn’t mention injuries to both Wade and Bosh

[@kevpersau950]

That’s the hardest shit I ever heard 😂.

[@tyronebrown5273]

Facts !

[@4pfbabypluto]

lmaoooo shut em down with that one

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

@joceja23No he’s talking about when Lebron left after the 2014 Finals

[@mical2great]

If Cleveland actually tried to HELP that man then he would of never left i believe he would of eventually got to finals with Cleveland without leaving again if they actually helped him.

[@Aaronedwardshalll]

They couldn't..... it's Clevland. Nobody wants to go there

[@benjaminpadilla4857]

He was leaving Cleveland he was going to Spurs or Lakers or Knicks . Those teams will go to the finals with LeBron .

[@issacmiles3677]

They gave Lebron everything he wanted they even fired good players and coaches for him and gave him the players he wanted! His style of play just doesn’t fit most other players and he uses them as scapegoats when he loses

[@TonyGaddafi]

@@issacmiles3677that Cleveland team he took to the first finals were subpar

[@issacmiles3677]

@@TonyGaddafi the eastern conference was subpar that’s why the eastern conference champions got swept

[@jpal1993]

Gilbert is right, if I remember correctly at the time in 2010, they were teaming up regardless of location, it was just a matter of finding a spot that could house all of them

[@kingnechie1982]

Lesser known or talked about was that all (Bron, DWade, Bosh & Mike Miller) almost ended up in Chicago before the deal fell through. A move that probably would’ve help DRose more than anyone else.

[@vauntheemuuu]

And they tried to bring melo with them but melo doesn’t respect that teaming up shit

[@samanirsanglir9731]

​​@@vauntheemuuu melo took the bag so he messed up but he made his decision to get the bag back when he was denver

[@vauntheemuuu]

@@samanirsanglir9731 melo was drafted to denver tho, he went to the knicks an even though he didnt win he still was a problem. Ion feel ge messed up that bad, but melo wasnt tryna be the GOAT. Bron spent his whole career tryna be the GOAT. Kobe spent it tryna be better than mike who they said was the goat. An which i can argue kobe did surpass him. Melo wasnt really ring hungry, lebron avoided goin to the west coast until he joined LA kuz the west conference been ELITE for 20+ years. Which is y when melo was drafted to denver it was more impressive an he shoulda been ROTY because the nuggets went from a bottom team in the league to a top 5 team in the west that season. Lebron took a team to the playoffs in a weak east conference, the 2nd and 3rd seed teams in the east were like 41-41 at end if regular season. Lebron beat the cektics but KG wasnt playing, an he lost to dwight howard when he cane to the league. An when bron did go to miami they still lost to west teams ie. mavericks who had one allstar and spurs who had 3-4. Took lebron 9 yrs to win one ring an he had to join somebody. Lebron would have more respect if he went to like a decent team an won. Not a team who still has the top3 sg in the league and top 10 pf in the league an than the following season get a top 10 shooter of all time added. An also ppl say kobe was calling people but no tf he wasnt, he called dwight thats it, but dwight aint wanna play for LA kuz he just lost to the lakers in the finals. The fact that they were tryna team up somewhere doesnt look good in a GOAT argument because y tf yall teaming. Now they handin lebron olympic mvps even though that was an ass pull kuz they never did that b4, inseason tournaments that legit dont matter its just another excuse to give lebron more stats. I sweae watch a cavalier game before he joined the lakers and a laker game an u see where lebron said fuck it im not playing defense ima just only try scoring so i can pass kareem an feel like the goat. These are all facts but they just ultimately play into my opinion on why he isnt the goat. I hold kobe at #1 but i do acknowledge he started to fall off after an acl tear an it’s understandable because that injury one of the hardest to come back from. But he is rated still to this day #1 in all stats from 2000-2024 and is the #1 player from 2000-2024. Ppl forget that though

[@josegarcia-xd6lt]

@@vauntheemuuunoooo Melo wasn’t taking a pay cut

[@beatbotzmusic9530]

Lebron's game is heavily criticized, some of his most dominant performances came in losing efforts...often times being the best player in a play-off series, his game play gets overshadowed and downplayed as if he was trash and let the team down...if he's obviously one of the best player on the court every game for 20 + years, why would he not be considered top 5?

[@tydesire4102]

Who doesn’t consider him top 5? And everything you’re describing comes with the territory. The fact of greatness is criticism amongst other things. He is criticized because of the crown he carries. A crown Nike and SI gave him before he ever played an nba game AND he grabbed that crown and donned it. I don’t think one person on this planet including Cleveland residents would describe Lebron’s career as anything less than one of the greatest ever. Why is that not enough? Lol

[@greychannel5963]

Facts they try to say he quit against the magic and damn near average 30 pt triple double, so I guess all his other teammates quit first right lol they just can't admit they hate that man.

[@17thN.O]

​@@greychannel5963Nobody hates that man. People worshipping, slurp him up and trying to rewrite history and change narratives to overinflate his false "legacy".

[@seesee5363]

​@greychannel5963 People say he quit because he stops playing defense and walks back OK defense gives up on rebounds its bs You all can praise him and act like the qhole world is against him all you want but criticism is valid

[@seesee5363]

​@@17thN.OThis is why the n b a is done I'm ready for this entire thing to fail

[@Slim_Jenkins]

nobody refutes any of Gil’s points without moving the goal post or saying “so you’re basically saying…” then completely changing what he said 😂😂😂

[@Prophètedebonsens]

@@cliffordburns506and in 06 heat Been going to the finals

[@tooglianprimus15]

@@cliffordburns506and Lebron had gotten to the finals before them, made it to the ECF when Wade was losing in the first round, took them to the finals when he was there all 4 years, then went 4 years straight immediately AFTER he left while Wade and the heat struggled to make the playoffs/first round. First finals they reached without Lebron since he left they LOST to Lebron.

[@cliffordburns506]

@@tooglianprimus15 i didn’t say bron needed the heat i just said heat culture is real that’s why they still going to finals they made the finals with 7 undrafted players if that ain’t a culture i don’t know what is

[@dougfleek8808]

@@cliffordburns506and lost to LeBron and Jokic so what we talking bout here what culture

[@TOoLoUd89292]

Big facts

[@-LiuKang]

Dude this man was literally unstoppable at that time period I believe he coulda went anywhere and still won they just couldn’t get no players to Cleveland because nobody wants to live in Cleveland

[@estavenhixon4571]

False

[@-LiuKang]

@@estavenhixon4571 dude was the best player in the world all he needed was a lil help dude been the best player in the NBA for like 15 plus years 😂

[@isaacford7172]

@@estavenhixon4571 it’s not false look at that team with booby Gibson and all the rest of them he dragged them to the finals so if the owners would’ve paid for more players when it was free agent in 2010, he would’ve stayed there at Cleveland and won there

[@chuckEdopemoves]

That's true. Along wit the fact that any LeBron led team never had high draft picks . And Cleveland front office made historically bad moves in free agency.

[@waynealcide7854]

People failed to realize the only reason he went was becaudr he got fed up with how they ran the Cleveland organization. Today's Cleveland management is wayy better than how to was when they did for Lebron. Could you imagine 24 or 25 year old Lebron playing with Donovan Mitchell, Evan Mobley, Jarrett Allen and Darius Garland

[@Peppy869]

That’s the thing. Those guys wouldn’t be there if lebron was in his early 20s because they were top draft picks. They wouldn’t have a top draft pick if they had lebron. They would be in the playoffs. Losing because the team can’t get low picks and nobody wanna sign there.

[@perennialviralbasketball24]

he could have went anywhere in the world..just posing that question let's you know the people asking knows he would not have

[@1114jordan082]

Facts fam if he was with the Cavs now ugly for the league and he went home and got one for the land

[@parajordans]

@@Peppy869you don’t know what would’ve happened in those 13 YEARS . 13 anything could’ve happened

[@Peppy869]

@@parajordans I understand that a lot can happen in 13 years. But that’s not the topic The topic is “could you imagine if a young Lebron played with these multiple top 5 selected players” And you couldn’t imagine it unless they sit lebron for an entire two years and tank. They couldn’t get a top 5 pick with a young Lebron.

[@khyree_the_king]

To be fare Wade was hurt and Bosh had the blood clots that why they didn’t make the playoffs the year after

[@malikmobley5466]

Exactly but he wouldn’t say that part 😂

[@TheOmac510]

Facts , completely Ignored that fact cuz Gilbert doesn’t know that fact lol

[@TONEakaSHOW]

Wade wasn't himself after 2012 he limped into that 2013 ring. If Wade was healthy, Heat would have won 3 straight and he might have stayed longer

[@Jgarthebeast]

this is all a hypothetical situation so does it really matter if something was left out

[@kaleb324]

@@Jgarthebeast “how the fuck do they not make the playoffs” was a question gil had that he just answered.

[@seanmarshall8799]

If just for one reason, I appreciate Gil challenging this Heat Culture narrative as it pertains to LBJ's legacy.

[@SKTV1991]

Mfs didn't win one ring until 2006 but they had a damn culture lol

[@SugginCahk]

​@@SKTV1991I agree, but they only became a team in like 1989 bruh 😂

[@evanfaulkner8821]

This man said "Did he take the Heat culture with him" 😤😤😤😤😤

[@valtercouto9838]

It is underrated how much of an imbecile you have to be to think there is any kind of truth to this statement

[@cooperfrederic3]

Um dwade wasn’t the same player nor was bosh lol if we get a prime dwade n prime bosh Miami makes the playoffs also when he says Miami trade for Shaq and Gary like Gary them was the same players when they trade for them lol is crazy

[@demasceionbyrd3776]

@@cooperfrederic3Facts People Acting Like Wade Wasn’t A MVP Candidate In His Prime And Before Lebron Got There

[@Nat_Turner10_8]

He did take the culture with him he learned how to be an on court coach and he learned from spolster and Riley. Plus dwade basically held this man’s hand

[@jeromejohnson5135]

“Without the experiences I had there (Miami Heat), I wouldn’t be able to do what I’m doing today.” Lebron James in 2014

[@soolthegreat1581]

Right I swore that was in Lebrons letter.

[@MorrowMixtape]

He said something like that probably but that's with everything in life. If he chose any of the 29 other teams, he would have said the same thing because it would be true.

[@allenangaw4827]

How many championship do Miami have after he left?

[@KingKCA]

He said that right after he left what else would he say

[@JoseHector-gx7lg]

​@@soolthegreat1581 Gilbert Response: Miami culture is TRASH 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@brunoguedes9715]

In the first year as a Lakers, with Lonzo, Ingran, Julius, they were in 3rd or 4th place, winning the Warriors in a game and they Lebron got hurt. The team got out of playoffs and when he returned he did not havs time to make a run, he was not 100%. Lebron had problems just when he got hurt. Even in year 21 he is taking the burden once agains as the best player in the team.

[@lyricsking754]

And have lost all their road games

[@themagicofphoto9997]

Why are you attempting to employ context and injuries when it favors Lebron? The top three players from the 2015 Heat team were sidelined for a significant portion of the season. It seems like Gil is manipulating his argument to reshape history.

[@drue1209]

U forgot lonzo got hurt too not just bron because the where actually winning until zo got hurt

[@themagicofphoto9997]

@@drue1209 Gil didn't metion the Heat's injuries why do we need to mention it when it helps Bron.

[@NOwens96]

Imagine Bron playing in Indiana, NY, Orlando, Memphis, or New Orleans in 2011. Y'all honestly don't think he'd win 2 ring ?

[@amazing2five274]

Exactly…people just have takes on Lebron off of hate

[@jeromecrockett2311]

Bro where he went he would have been able to get other stars he would have won more

[@quintidwell99]

Not if Wade and bosh doesn't come with him

[@tonygrace3435]

No

[@Redd23556]

ny bron n melo go crazy with amir

[@distinctga5811]

Lebron led the Cavs to the best record in the league without a legit player on his supporting cast. He took the Celtics to 7 and lost. People said he quit on a night where he dropped 45. When he went to Miami people forget that the team struggled, they didn't have cap space to fill out the roster and Wade was a case of diminishing returns. Lebron had to change his body type to play minutes at C and PF. All Lebron needed was 1 high quality player on his supporting cast and a bunch of solid role players to win Championships. There were a dozen teams in the NBA where Lebron could have pulled 2 of 4.

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

Lebron has only carried twice in his career 2007 and 2018

[@antoinejackson811]

​@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mhe carried them heat teams...bosh n wade would be hurt most of the damn seasons...he carries every team he's been on...heck the stats speak for it

[@Juntao1989]

@@antoinejackson811yep those 2011 finals he surely carried Wade with that 26/7/5 and bosh with that 18/8 he sureeeee carried

[@BigSlime93]

@@Juntao1989where was Wade and Bosh in those finals ? Or bron the only one choked ? I thought Wade was the big brother why he didn’t take over the finals ? Bron carried all they ass those are flat out facts . Without bron bosh never win n Wade not the 3rd greates shooting guard those the facts.

[@Triigga86]

@@BigSlime93wade showed up in that finals lebron choke

[@marcusperry1752]

Gilbert spitting nothing but facts and haters can't take it...😂😂. I love it.

[@td163]

It's sad and the hate of not making in the league is killing McCants. It's sad and gross to watch him be this way bc I'm a Tar Heel fan

[@Mike-sj1yt]

Gil’s not speaking facts…bottom line Lebron has played with 4 teams in his prime…understandable when your older, straight cap!

[@kobeforever134]

He not speaking facts stop it

[@fitzgerald434]

People forget too that Bron, Wade and I think Melo were thinking of going to the Bulls. Wade and Bron was gonna team up no matter what team. Bron didn't need Miami if anything Bron needed Wade and Wade needed Bron to get past Boston.

[@shaunkey9374]

Yea originally Melo was spose to been the 3rd guy and not Bosh but Bron and Wade didnt wanna go to NY. Thats how Bosh got to be the 3rd guy. Bosh wanted to play with Bron but not in Cleveland.

[@toobasaurus23]

Yeah. The Banana Boat Crew.

[@isaacford7172]

They all need each other, LeBron, James, and Chris barge Dwyane Wade needed each other to beat Miami it’s not just LeBron James needed Dwyane Wade. They all need each other. That’s how you win a championship but guess what if Cal would bring more player LeBron James would’ve never left

[@BriefKeef]

Pretty much

[@courtneysmith1558]

People fail to remember that he almost went to Chicago. He would've left Cleveland regardless in 2010. So wherever he went, they would've still been title contenders. And imagine, Chicago would've kept D. Rose and brought Bron and Wade and Bosh.

[@Darius_Dawkins]

Cleveland didn’t know how to build a team so he definitely was leaving

[@DerekMcKenzie-vn8kr]

😂

[@matchesmalone2625]

Let’s say he goes to Chicago. His career would ultimately end up the same. He probably wins a couple rings in Chicago, then he’ll have to leave because of d rose and joakim Noah health

[@uh-oh3301]

He probably wouldn't have went to chi town because of mj

[@reignmans]

chicago wouldnt have all three of them cuz they didnt want to drop deng and thats why that didnt go through. i think chris bosh talked about that

[@gabrielsantiago5753]

The Heat have been to the play offs 24 out of their 35 season history. Trust there is a culture.

[@ifreebasecocaine]

nah

[@KimaJones-n8j]

lol

[@GrandT343]

Bron needed a team that could beat KG, Pierce, Rondo and Allen. He and Wade were moving together but they had to go be with a franchise that could attract free agents. Thats south beach. No way bosh was going to cleveland. Chicago was the only other option at the time. So he needed the Heat just as they needed him.

[@malnorfleet4925]

Wrong. They already said that team was chasing Kobe.

[@MiamiU4]

@@g..._anthony27false. Wade and Bron themselves have said on multiple occasions that Chicago was their number 1 choice, and then the Knicks/Miami were number 2. Chicago fell through though because the Bulls didn’t move Lou Deng to free up cap space to sign what would’ve been Bosh (the plan was originally just between Bron and Wade). Wade has ALWAYS wanted to play for the Bulls at some point especially with him being from Chicago

[@GrandT343]

@@malnorfleet4925 They also said they were tired of being beat by the Celtics. They probably hate to admit it now, but the Celtics was their nemesis not the Lakers. They never met the Lakers in the playoffs at any point in their career. The Lakers is only an issue if they both made the finals.

[@isaakfrmla]

@@malnorfleet4925that was a few years before

[@malnorfleet4925]

@@isaakfrmla thats my point. If they were aiming at the lakers, they clearly had it in mind previous to lebrons struggles with boston. The heat move just happen to help that with boston towards the end. But even then they needed allen off the celtics to actually make a real move towards securing a ring to even meet kobe.

[@kaleb324]

bosh missed the 2nd half of 2015 and dwyane pulled his hamstrings like 3 times down the stretch of 2015. 2016 2nd round game 7 without bosh again for the 2nd half and postseason. gil’s point pops into his head and tries to pave the road for it later.

[@skillethead15]

There is no Heat culture just like there is no Patriots way. You had an all time great player and that’s what lifted the team to the championship. Period end of discussion.

[@kaleb324]

@@skillethead15 “heat culture” isn’t defined by championships. it’s the way you go about your business as a professional fool

[@skillethead15]

@@kaleb324 Then what makes Heat culture so great if it doesn’t lead to championships? Why even bother talking about Heat culture if you aren’t going to win. Give me Warriors culture any day of the week.

[@kaleb324]

@@skillethead15 warriors don’t have a culture because they don’t win every season without star players…. remember?

[@skillethead15]

@@kaleb324 The Warriors have a culture of winning championships. I’d take that any day over the bs called Heat culture.

[@pmsage8018]

Real quick, he didnt need that Culture to be great. He needed it to win RINGS. He was always dominating in Cleveland, but w/out Wade, Bosh, and Pat, he might only have 2 rings max. If he stayed in Miami, he would have +4. Let's keep it real y'all

[@FrostySnowman334]

That’s not “heat culture” though. The Miami didn’t cultivate that

[@chillbro2275]

I like Gil's argument a lot! And i'll say this in accord with your points Phil, and Frosty: Heat management's great decision making was the part they played in winning those championships more than "culture," because you just can't avoid needing good players to win a championship (or just be competitive at all). And I'm sure there are other things that management does to setup the team for success, but LeBron was already disciplined, and dedicated, evidently, so i don't think he needed that -- and that's the main thing I hear that Miami culture demands (but i'm an outsider with little information). And LeBron always worked with a winner's mindset. I would've loved to see those Heat teams win more, because they had a bunch of players I liked like Shane, UD, Birdman, Mike Miller, Norris, Mario, Ray, Bosch, Wade and of course LeBron. And I liked Spo. .... But DAMN I wish they would've all played in NY.

[@kennybrown2699]

Facts right in front of the people and they will still deny. Pure hate

[@kingdunken13]

Man that's so true..fact are fact don't matter how he got it..

[@kingdunken13]

I feel like lebron would would have more rings if he stayed with an east team..the west is to dominate

[@ASAP_AJ]

The key word Bron used was DOMINANT… yes he still would have been dominant without that time in Miami, even if he didn’t win championships. His impact would still be dominant.

[@theblackcyde2506]

Gilbert is right, what the hell was “heat culture” before they got Shaq???!!

[@SBAsheAsAbove]

LeeBron said in the past that going to Miami was like going to "College" bcause he learned so much.

[@leeravenell6513]

Bosh struggled with blood clots in his lungs and Wade knees was macaroni

[@justinharmon8548]

How does that change the point tho?

[@brianjackson8668]

Wade knees were shot before Bron went back to Cleveland

[@justinharmon8548]

@@brianjackson8668 exactly. Wade was only healthy the year they lost to dallas.

[@carlosgettis]

And he avg 20 ppg every year lebron was in Miami smh

[@theinktician]

@@justinharmon8548 He's saying it SUPPORTS the point.

[@VinceVanished]

5:00 that might be the quietest I’ve ever seen big troll on the show 😂😂😂

[@jcspillz]

Oh so Bosh didn’t have blood clots and had to retire after Bron left🤔

[@split_head_776]

Wade was injured every year as well

[@dkstubbl]

I love how Gil conveniently didn't mention Chris Bosh and his blood clot in his lung the season LeBron left...

[@PickEmUpMessEmUp]

Not really a good point considering they missed the playoffs and he played 44 games if it’s Heat Culture then you should be able to a least make the playoffs

[@ericdeere1353]

Talk about it he don't tells everything else he wanna paint his own narrative

[@pandabear1576]

@@PickEmUpMessEmUp44 games isn’t setting you up as a playoff team unless you win 65 games at least

[@rowdy6300]

Exactly the blood clots was major

[@PickEmUpMessEmUp]

@@pandabear1576 you right that’s a bad point but the major point is Heat Culture if its Heat culture they should not fall off like that

[@SkootAtlYt]

Tbh tho the Heat has been in contention for a championship the past 5-6 yrs

[@CrisJunkie]

I believe he needed the Heat to be greater. That finals loss to Dallas became a reason for LeBron to take his game to another level. Yes, he got to the finals in 2007, but he wasn't the reason they lost. He was just young and the team was weak. But that 2011 loss, the world saw him crumble under pressure. It was his fault, and he had to correct it. Also, the formula that allowed him to win championships: him + 3 or 4 shooters (including stretch 4s and 5s) around him is from Spo, who was inspired by Mike D'Antoni. But Spo made it better for Lebron, and then eventually, Steve Kerr took that system to another level when KD joined them.

[@emperorem4187]

Did u hear what yousaid? He made the FINAL BEFORE he went to MIA 😂😂😂😂

[@CCEkeke]

@@emperorem4187 And got swept.

[@emperorem4187]

@@CCEkeke you're missing the point

[@ThanosDidTheRightThing]

@@emperorem4187 Shot 35% Fg in the 2007 Finals

[@CCEkeke]

@@emperorem4187 actually I'm not. Lebron needed the Heat to learn how to own his greatness and become a champion.

[@iPoeticProphet]

Lol last time i checked...the original blueprint was for WADE, MELO & BRON to Chi to play with Rose. That was option 1, 2 was anywhere else but they chose Miami because the foundation for winning was already there & with Pat Riley it would be easy. Bosh was a last minute addition he wasn't in the original plot.

[@fitzgerald434]

I would've liked to see that bulls team put together. That team would've been insane. A prime D Rose and a prime Bron with Wade and Melo still putting up numbers. Crazy!

[@iPoeticProphet]

@@fitzgerald434 on paper it sounded like a 2k team but in reality all 4 need the ball to be great. They would be what the clippers are right now but worse because only Melo at that time had a reliable & respectable 3.

[@ljy32swag]

They went to Miami because Miami was the only team that had the cap for 3 max players, melo himself has said we never really sat down and discussed how we would move seriously so that’s why he went to New York 1 year earlier, and Bosh was in with the Chicago thing actually as Noah said bosh gave his word that he would join them. Cant revise history when the people involved have already said what really happened

[@StatiCRjm]

That would be the equivalent to Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi and PG but younger

[@mainenba1624]

What’s crazy is the media never ever did this with any other player smh they’re literally trying to take years from a man’s legacy & ask would he be the same player lmao foh s/O to Gil MCcants a hater

[@disciple37mt]

Gil is lying! Bosh didn’t play that season and wade was hurt after lebron left. No ray Allen either!

[@rowdy6300]

Facts lying thru his teeth

[@Dipset415]

This what Lebron fans do in the media they tell half the truth to make lebron seem better than he was

[@rowdy6300]

@@Dipset415 man Gilbert let rich Paul hush him on his own dam show 😂 arenas the next rich Paul

[@daae83]

​@@Dipset415lebron proved ppl over n over how to carry a team on his back before het got to Miami

[@lovebeefyoutube]

@@Dipset415 Lebron is solidified, no-one has to make him "seem better" especially to people who didnt play. People with common sense know Wade who had the last 2 years playing with lebron was hurt a lot and even with a bosh they wouldnt be a contender like that after LeBron left.

[@tylerbrown150]

Heat Culture: Working harder than anyone else,No excuses, discipline, teamwork, development, sacrifice, mental fortitude and most importantly heart.

[@Fastbeeezy]

That’s any team that wants to win. 🤡

[@FreezeIzGawd0517]

And buying TALENT! PLEASE REMEMBER THE BUYING TALENT PART

[@ndnow12]

Gil always has great points. He does like to leave out certain information, Bosh and his bloodclot problem and Wade had is knee issue that year, and that was after Lebron left at the last minute so Miami couldn't retool in any way. But he is right in regards to championships, I think Heat culture and results is more along the line of making it deep in the playoffs with players no one has ever heard of when they don't have the Lebrons or Wade's.

[@pasilu007]

Every team has injured or hurt players. Gilbert stated the facts, not the whys.

[@WhathehadasSole]

Gil is right about Heat not winning the chip without a big trade. Heat traded for Mourning at the start of Riley's tenure as coach😅. They're like a mini version of the Lakers. Riley's connect. A team needing to trade or sign that one, A1 Star player to get them the ring(s).

[@WhathehadasSole]

Gil is right about Heat not winning the chip without a big trade. Heat traded for Mourning at the start of Riley's tenure as coach😅. They're like a mini version of the Lakers. Riley's connect. A team needing to trade or sign that one, A1 Star player to get them the ring(s).

[@ndnow12]

@@WhathehadasSole Yeah, teams that are competitive year in and year out need to make these trades or they'll never have top talent.

[@dstewart5845]

Correct and when he went to Cleveland he had Kyrie and had Love come over, and if he doesn't have Wade giving him knowledge and showing him how to win championships, yes Lebron would have the same career until later.

[@kyntelbevins43]

Gil has gotten so bias its hard to take anything he says seriously now. He used to be spot on. Miami Bron was the BEST Bron and it was for a reason.

[@issacmiles3677]

I really don’t take anything he says seriously! He overtalks people and when McCants makes a good point he tries to joke

[@dusttaker]

he is a professional troll who knows how to discuss entertaining topics. It sells!

[@Teardrop_Tune]

Cave return Bron was the best you can tell her mentally figured the game out instead of just being a psycial freak

[@ralx225b]

@@issacmiles3677 McCants rarely makes a good point, and yes Gilbert is biased but its because its his show and he doesn't have anybody on there with any knowledge who can actually challenge him. Put him on screen with J.J. Reddick and Chris Broussard and he wouldn't be able to say half the crap he says.

[@Dre_]

2018 Bron>2013 Bron btw, But 2013 was still one of the best because at that point of his career, he's seen everything. Plus he was in his PRIME in terms of age. It wasn't because of this "heat culture" lmao. If DWade & Bosh had gone to Cleveland he still getting those 2 chips EASY.

[@arcellmcgowan1517]

They must forgot how dominant he was and his team being in the eastern conference finals 8, 9 straight years 😮

[@Rubrick23.]

And no rings. Ok!!!!

[@dontaelg]

People just forget how good he was.

[@jiggafromstatefarm9997]

The East was notoriously terrible during that time

[@GA3S_]

​@jiggafromstatefarm9997 they never mention that tho. 😂😂😂

[@KimaJones-n8j]

They dnt count those cause they say the East was weak bt Lebron was the only person to do what he did bt it suppose to b so weak

[@Starfox46]

Udonis Haslem and D wade are the Heat culture. LeBron is his own Beast 🐐

[@itsthatatm8345]

That dude is not as good as y'all make him out to be...

[@isolx3043]

The Miami Heat and Cavs team ALSO. Made a bunch of trades to fit in with Lebron…. Gil acts like the teams before and after stayed there same. I hate the takes

[@cashmerej9665]

I hate to say this, but Kobe nor Jordan would never have won Chips if not for Phil with his mental culture that helped Jordan win right? Both of them had 13 coaches between them and never went anywhere. LeBRON James is the MOST SERIOUS PLAYER EVER! Wherever he went a CHIP followed! Do you know how difficult that is to bring a Chip or chips to Franchises where every team, players, coaches, refs, commissioners and haters trying to stop you from doing things their Goats couldn't? This is what he had before going to The HEAT. :A Scoring Title, 2 MVP's, 2 All Star Game MVP's, ROY, 6 ALL NBA's and 6 NBA ALL STAR STARTS, 2 ALL DEFENSIVE TEAMS, 4 PO's without losing in the 1st round, a ECF CHIP and a NBA FINALS appearance. You have to understand that he won all these while playing without a Pippen, Shaq, Kareem, Kobe or Magic by his side. Now tell me... Who's fucking with that if he's not the BEST? LeBRON ain't the Goat, Jordan is. LeBRON is the "OVERGOAT!"

[@Steve-sr4bc]

Bro he skipping the fact that lebron left to a team with kyrie and a prime Kevin love smh 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@evolve8286]

Kyrie and love were both dogs don't get me wrong, I'll say love was coming out of his prime during that time but let's be real the rest of that team was trash

[@anonymousbiscuit5799]

And their teams were lottery pickers each year with maybe 1 year exception for Soda.

[@lamarlashley8738]

And they both got injured in the finals if not lbron has 5

[@vincentbrown3995]

Goalpost stays moving

[@andrewcaldwell4343]

They trade for love so he wasn’t even there when bron got there technically

[@williamharris9147]

D wade and Bosh were injured the first year without Bron

[@fresh_printz]

They both played over half the season. Bosh avg 20 and Wade avg like 22 the season Bron left

[@jiggafromstatefarm9997]

@@fresh_printzcould’ve sworn he had blood clots

[@M360-w6o]

and the last year lebron was with miami

[@frederickcotton3170]

LBJ is a killer... this guy has been.. one of the top players in the nba from the age of 18.. it s amazing all the hate he gets.. if i'm not mistaken.. he went to 10 finals in a row.. that s crazy.. this man been to the finals.. more than some nba teams..

[@85pearlboy]

10 finals in a row 😂🤡, first of all, he went to 8 straight finals, secondly, it's easy to get into the finals when arguably the best two players of the shitty eastern conference play for the same team 7 out of those 8 finals runs (2018 being the exception), wether playing alongside wade or kyrie, with also a good solid all star third player in Bosh or Kevin Love. Lastly, getting destroyed by the warriors twice, the spurs once, and getting embarrassed by the Mavs thanks to the biggest choke job ever by a superstar in finals history, of course I'm talking about LeBron, 8 points in game 4, man that game was one for the ages 😂😂😂 and having the audacity to call himself the greatest, yes, the guy is an annoying egomaniac, that's why he gets so much hate and criticism

[@chillbro2275]

@@85pearlboy This dude said winning ECF was "easy" because of three players. dang that statement seems to lack respect for the game of basketball, the NBA, the teams LeBron had to ball out on to beat, LeBron, and every individual who pursues their aspirations and experience external & internal challenges along the way. Sheesh...

[@85pearlboy]

@@chillbro2275 "because of three players", no, arguably the two best players in the conference plus another top 10 playing in the same team against the vastly inferior eastern conference in comparison with the western conference, or are you gonna deny that too? Getting into the finals with those super teams playing against weaker competition was taken for granted, or what, are you gonna tell me that on paperthese teams truly had a chance against the heat or cavs: 2011 Young derrick rose's bulls 2012 Aging Celtics 2013 Paul George' Pacers 2014 again 2015 the hawks 🤡😂 2016 the raptors 😂😂 And the young Celtics two in a row,

[@chillbro2275]

@@85pearlboy I agree that, since LeBron was the best player in the league, having another two all-star caliber players does make the task a LOT more doable (history shows that that's a viable strategy that teams have used). That's facts. But there were teams that put up a good fight, like the '11 bulls, and them damn Celtics, and Indiana. Those teams competed hard (those were thrilling series). And in those Series LeBron still needed to go nuts to win, even on Miami. I have to admit that seeing the list of years you've provided, does make me feel that his teams started winning playoff series more quickly after he returned to Cleveland... Yup, they were smackin teams in the playoffs except the 4-3 series vs Boston in 2018, so too were the '90s Bulls teams, and 2000s Lakers, and Spurs teams. So that's just what the dominant teams do. And perhaps that supports your point that getting to the finals is taken for granted. But to do it 8 straight years, when these other dynasty teams did not do that (Bulls coming the closest) i think says that he is especially great because he is the main man on all those teams. It's not just because teams were bad. Cavs didnt' even have the best record except for 2015-16 year. Any way, appreciate your reply, it wasn't disrespectful, or angry, or none of that. Have a good one man.

[@85pearlboy]

@@chillbro2275 I get you, the weaker team is capable of winning against the stronger team any given Sunday, in football is way more often since is a sudden death match, meanwhile on basketball, hockey and baseball the weaker team needs 4 underdog wins, that's insane, that's why I say "on paper", on paper the heat and the cavs were the highly favored to win against the teams I just mentioned, I would say this, yes the Celtics gave the heat hell, Celtics's core played for their 5th straight year, that's a lot of chemistry gained, but, they also finally got way too old, having a young Rondo helped them a lot against the heat, the pacers, was a solid team, can't deny that, but Paul George was just a rising star, finally when the Cavs years arrived, to me Cavs dominance got stronger because the eastern conference got weaker, only rising stars, the 2015 hawks, perhaps the worst 60 game team ever, 2016 raptors, come on now, the Celtics, in 2017 they had no true super star player and finally the 2018 season, that season was an achievement to get in the finals granted, kyrie was gone and love wasn't the same, but the competition still wasn't as strong yet, Celtics still didn't had the killer, they added Jayson Tatum, but was still a rookie, but a pretty even match up against those Cavs, that's why in my reply I left the 2018 season as an exception. anyways, yes, respectfully and also not getting mad or anything, this was a good exchange

[@Jemreaux]

“Did he take the Heat culture with him!?” 💯 Gil on point today

[@chaunceywade7293]

That's the whole pooint tho he kind of...did?

[@realratedr]

Heeelllll nooo 😂 that boy Gil be on drugs or been watching to much golf & forgot basketball … Bosh had heart problems , Kyrie & Love led there own teams & came together. He didn’t win back to back anywhere else without MIA.

[@Tgod757]

@@realratedrthank you! Gil up here not adding no context at all smh

[@brickmoney4152]

Gil full of crap foreal. Bosh had serious heart condition and Wade had knee problems that 2014 and 2015 year. Wade wasn’t the same after that and Bosh retired 16

[@DreamerNation4All]

@@chaunceywade7293no tf he didn’t smh. If it was already there how he take it with him lol just look for any excuse

[@mexia23]

he still a top 5 player but he not in that discussion with Kobe and MJ without those championships

[@jaydot4956]

Bro he would’ve won championships somewhere else. You don’t think Lebron would’ve won if he went to San Antonio or team up with melo on the Knicks? Lebron was going to win championships regardless, this whole Heat culture is bs.

[@mexia23]

@@jaydot4956 I don't know that it depends on what team he goes to. I agree Heat needed him to win I don't take that away from Lebron. He needed Wade and Bosh too now c'mon lol.

[@FigAristotle]

People forget lebron had 2 mvps a scoring title and finished first team all defense twice before going to miami. He was runner up for defensive player of the year in 2009. The man was great before miami

[@OranPsycho]

you can literely see the lie in Gilbert's eyes!😂😂😂 He's capping his ass off😂

[@realratedr]

FACTS! He purposely being that controversial retired player lol

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

@@realratedrHe’s just mad salty

[@Aaronedwardshalll]

And Lebron went to that Cleavland team that had Kyrie, brought in Kevin Love, brought in JR and Shump. Lebron is great but please stop saying he went to teams by himself and won a chip.

[@smoove354]

He didn't bring in nobody but love. David griffin brought in shump & Jr

[@fresh_printz]

Kyrie wasn’t an All Star and Shump and JR were role players. Kevin Love was a 20 and 20 guy though. But Bron was clearly the best player in the league!

[@dusk6159]

Wow the ironical loss of context in your own point as well. JR Smith can make some sense even after his Nuggets and Knicks years, JR, though inconsistent, had very much value for Cleveland back then with some certain clutch nights, but "Shumpert"? Why is he even a mention During those late 2010s Shumpert wasn't doing shit on the court. "Brought him on the squad"... He had less points than Love and old Jefferson

[@allmirvela9481]

JR was 6th man of the year lmfaooo and Iman was a lockdown defender@@fresh_printz

[@donelleporch7215]

JR and Shump???? Come on man! 😂

[@Hasani751]

Couldn’t disagree more with Gil. Lebron had 0 rings before Miami…he went to LEARN how to win from Wade. The simple answer is that he wouldn’t be the winner or leader he is now without that time in Miami. Wade already had won, doesn’t matter how…he took it and won, PERIOD…something Lebron didn’t know how to do yet. And Gil’s acting like they won every year he was there, they DID NOT. There would be more of a point if that’s the case. If Lebron stays in Cleveland there’s a good chance he could have 0 rings today, and that would make him another great player without rings. Kobe knew he had to win without Shaq to avoid that, Lebron same thing. If heat culture isn’t a “thing” how do you explain them in the finals last year as a PLAY IN team? And before that in the ECF, and in the finals in the bubble. It’s obviously a thing.

[@mosmooth2421]

No cap, Gil’s take on removing all of Miami’s stats: W take! He still won 2/4 ships still has his accomplishments as he had in Miami.

[@darthrex6267]

Bro he's not even in the discussion of top ten. You realize steph would be an easy top ten if Lebron is out? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@laterrydorsey303]

He glossing over the fact they made 2 finals since he left, with WEAK AS TALENT that he would have probably complained about....

[@mosmooth2421]

@@darthrex6267 We’re not on the same page, but top 10 of all time or top 10 now?

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

@@mosmooth2421The way they talk about Kobe would be the same way they talk about Lebron had he not gone to Miami

[@mosmooth2421]

@@laterrydorsey303 Gil is saying that regardless of the team they went to, they were going to win a championship. And that’s saying if LeBron, DWade & Bosh were all gonna join together. Now Miami did make it to the finals twice after Lebron and lost one of them to the Lakers with Lebron on that Lakers squad.

[@slickeddy2000]

The Heat was clearing cap space for those 2yrs . The Yr LeBron Left the Heat Didn’t make the playoffs because of Injuries & Health to Wade and Bosh Blood clots which ended his career. Heat didn’t have young talent because the picks were traded to the Cavs for LeBron. So the Heat had no young talent and all their money tied up in the injured 2 stars. The heat was rebuilding with 2nd rounders and borderline nba players.

[@jdm279]

He carried D Wade 90% of the time. Lebron at that time just needed shooters. A corner m’fer and a pic and roll/pop partner. Sprinkle a rebounder.

[@DuronBallard-w1y]

Nigga WaDe was averaging 30

[@bball933]

His personality and work ethic already matched what heat culture is so it’s not necessarily heat culture made him it was a thing that amped up who he already was

[@siraajuddin736]

That’s bc he stacked and built his own team. He didn’t buy into the culture, he just wanted to play w D Wade and have the most talent around him.

[@dusttaker]

B I N G O

[@Redd23556]

what culture when the chip they won b4 he was there was bought n traded for??

[@fresh_printz]

MJ also chose players from the Pistons! John Sal and Dennis Rodman. The Celtics got KG and Ray! All of this before Lebron went to the Heats

[@lincoln8530]

You’re wrong

[@kylinmooney167]

Dwade wasn’t that good

[@jdenoir89]

Gilbert has lost his mind! D Wade WAS NOT leaving Miami, and Chicago WAS NOT going to work for 2 prominent reasons: 1 The spectre of Jordans 6 titles would have been too much hanging over his head...#2 DrRose WAS NOT giving up his top dog spot to Lebron which is why he DID NOT even campaign for him to join the Bulls!

[@pedrogates3189]

I think he would still be dominant and great because he was before he even left Cleveland but I don’t think he’d have 4 rings probably 2….but i feel like he did learn a lot from being in Miami like that finals against Dallas turned him into a better player because what happened that year has never happened again he’s never had another melt down like that again

[@jaydot4956]

He would’ve had at least 3 rings because he would’ve either went somewhere that already had another superstar or a team that would’ve been in position to get him another superstar to play with. The problem with Cleveland is no free agent wanted to go there and Lebron had them overachieving every year so they couldn’t draft high.

[@Lignoxilla27]

But he faced a super well coached team Miami did nothing he was the one on the court against Kid, terry Dirk Marion chandler! People talk as if Dallas was a Garbage team Dallas had a Good Squad! No doubt

[@datsapaddlin]

Lebron was great until the finals . He just shouldn’t have deferred to Wade as much as he did. Realistically he woulda never been as passive on the Cavs because he had to be more aggressive or they would have 0 chance. He already had that in him he just ain’t use it against Dallas because he knew he had another guy but he let off on the gas too much.

[@pedrogates3189]

@@jaydot4956 i feel you 💯

[@pedrogates3189]

@@Lignoxilla27 I didn’t say anything bad about that Dallas team I simply said Lebron learned from it , overall they kicked Miami ass m I think it would’ve been worse had Caron butler been healthy

[@Gmoney_Reloaded]

Gil high as hell

[@matta9316]

Lebron in his prime was one of the greatest floor raisers of all time. Gil has a point there. There are players that can be perhaps better fit as the finishing piece of a great team because they can blend in easier, like a Durant type for ex - but in terms of floor raising Bron is up there with the GOAT's.

[@seansimms6693]

2006 the Heat won the chip while LeBron was still losing in Cleveland, I was sick of seeing him lose before he went to South Beach, still saw him lose to my Dallas Mavericks.

[@isaacford7172]

You are very simple

[@alexmotts]

You completely glossed over what gil said. They still bought it. With shaq and them. The "heat" culture narative is BS.

[@theinktician]

@@alexmotts It's BS until they do well with a bag of chips. Only other thing you could call 2022 is luck. I'm certainly not calling it "the greatness of Jimmy Butler". That got them a few games, but it didn't get them series wins

[@Redd23556]

kuz they added shaq n other players like gil said cleveland wasnt adding shiiii

[@Dipset415]

@@alexmottsnaw the heat been contending since the 90’s🤙🏿

[@EmiliosFather]

They said they thought about Chicago. Imagine Lebron with those bulls. They woulda been better than the team they had in Miami. Noah, Bosh, Lebron, Deng, D Rose. Gibson & Jimmy Butler off the bench. Man shiiiit

[@joshuadavis7138]

Bosh had the health stuff going on. We don’t know how good those teams could have been because of that

[@darrinelliot.]

Gil thinks Wade would’ve left Miami THEN for the Knicks is tripping. Hell to the nah. Brons Miami tenure he was the villain & most hated, I was a big time hater so I’ll just speak for myself & cohorts. He wouldn’t be the same player at all. Miami helped shape him & that’s where he learned to be a champion. They were so dominant Gary Payton pulled up to get a ring for crying out loud. Get em while they hot GP said let me get one 😭

[@jaydot4956]

Bro the heat were ass when Lebron went there, they hadn’t won a first round series in 4 years, y’all making it sound like the Heat were the best team in the league before Lebron.

[@Itsbigmike30]

Wade said himself they was suppose to go to NY

[@darrinelliot.]

The disrespect to Big UD & Alonzo Heat culture is insane. Y’all got it

[@Gargeler]

I think it was in M.Heat who allowed him and push him to play in different position which in turn he developed his skills in playmaking and post skills, it would be speculative to say that he is as skilled as he is today if he had played on a different team other than heat.

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

@@jaydot4956So Miami Heat didn’t win a championship before lebron got there?

[@thegreatestalive354]

i think lebron would be the same player just not the same success

[@bossK78]

What if he went to San Antonio? Or Chicago ?

[@RunHotsauce]

@@bossK78Omg if he went to the Bulls…

[@CWillGetWitCha_973]

🗣️WHAT‼️‼️ He beat & broke up the SAME EXACT TEAM that Beat the Shaq & Kobe Lakers w that 1st Cavs team😂😂

[@jiggafromstatefarm9997]

@@CWillGetWitCha_973really?? because i could’ve sworn that he didn’t win shit during that first Cleveland stint

[@CWillGetWitCha_973]

@@jiggafromstatefarm9997 It’s good to debate, But let’s b real…..ONLY GOD would’ve beat the Spurs w that team LeBron had!! Are we REALLY NOT going to give him 100% credit for doing something that we haven’t seen B4? LeBron age, coach + teammates against that Pistons team. And it’s really an debate abt if he would B who he is 2day is laughable

[@Connoi55eur2]

So Gil has now replaced Shannon as Bron’s new jock strap You can tell Gil doesn’t even believe what he’s saying he’s not that simple If Bron doesn’t win those championships in Miami That chip in Cleveland doesn’t happened, he never goes to the lakers, he isn’t the face of the nba And Steph has 3 more rings

[@issacmiles3677]

Bosh and wade got hurt when Lebron left

[@leroyflex1258]

So we’re ignoring what Lebron said in 2014? Ig so. Bron didn’t need the heat but he was definitely struggling in his first two finals unlike wade. That Miami team was also over the hill and wade carried in the ecf and finals. Shaq wasn’t the second leading scorer it was Walker at 13 points lol Bron also didn’t develop his game in the post or 3 pointer till Miami.

[@kareemlawrence8396]

Chris Bosh got hurt that year and Wade was battling knee injuries

[@Keepitthorough24]

The heat just went to the finals twice with undeafted players ,3 of them, playing major roles. That’s developing players, and their whole staying in shape program,& I’m sure a whole bunch of other things were not privy to, is what HEAT culture is

[@kylinmooney167]

They wasn’t doing that before Lebron came

[@Keepitthorough24]

@@kylinmooney167yea they was lol shaq talked about them keeping him in shape, and you can tell by his physique from LA to MIA they definitely had that program in place. Also Antoine walker was in his best shape in MiA lol .. stop it

[@split_head_776]

In a stronger east mind you. The east was garbage the majority of the time LeBron was there. He met the Pistons at the tail end of their run and the Celtics broke up after a few years

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

@@split_head_776That’s what I’m saying lebron didn’t have any competition in the East that’s how it was so easy for him to go to 8 straight finals

[@slickeddy2000]

Andre Igoudola broke down Heat culture on the show to Gilbert. Instilling hard work and professionalism in Miami. The way they scout players from like the 7th grade. Their players never get in trouble.

[@sonnyqsoul]

LBJ was gonna always have at least 3 chips. Too many scenarios to combine with his greatness to say otherwise. I don't have either he nor MJ as the G.O.A.T., but when I factor in the longevity of his greatness and him not retiring three times during his career, I think Imma have to reconsider and put him at #1 despite my reluctance.

[@Kikibrat2]

Who do you have as your goat?

[@sonnyqsoul]

@@Kikibrat2 Wilt. But now we are getting more and more 7 footers who can do what he did on the offensive end, though few can do what he did on offense and defense. But even with other 7 footers and defensive stoppers in his time, he dominated. He chose to stop being a scorer as he got older and had others who could put up points. When we was called out by a reporter saying that he can't score anymore, he burnt the next 4 teams for 40 pts just to prove a point. He simply became more of a team player as he got older and was dealing with injury. But he was still dominating on DEF and the boards. And he's still the only player to block Kareem's skyhook multiple times in a single game, hell single possession of that same game, and he was a much older player. And people tend to forget he first played pro ball of the Harlem Globetrotters.

[@rollandcurtisfromVermont]

@@sonnyqsoul I’m sure that when you say Wilt, 99% of basketball fans disregard you as a casual. And then for you to prefer 6 championship losses with 3 sweeps on 3 different teams in 3 different decades over 3 retirements and 6 consecutive championships via 2 three-peats and ZERO losses in all SIX championship rounds, yes I would agree with the 99% of basketball fans who identify you as a complete casual….and there is no reluctance at all to identify you as such. By the way, according to the statistics and dominance, Michael Jordan was a much better offensive player via a much better scorer than Chamberlain. Men lie, women lie, numbers don’t. 🤷‍♂️

[@sonnyqsoul]

@@rollandcurtisfromVermont when you bring into account championships, you show that you're just another cookie cutter NBA fan. Championships are more about the team than it is about how good the individual players are. After all, Robert Horry has 7 titles, hit big shots that helped to win most of them, yet he's not even in the HOF. No one has as many chips as Bill Russell, plus he was one of the best defenders and rebounders of all time. I mean we can just ignore that MJ was the greatest scorer of the ball in a league that had no answer for him, and yet was swept twice in the first round out the playoffs, or that he retired three times from the game, or that he only won one playoff game without having Pippen and Phil Jackson. We will forget that he was a below average three-point shooter even though video games made him out to be a Deadshot and fans remember the big threes he DID make. And we will forget that two of his championships were won because of 2 roleplayers hitting big shots, one in each of those three-peats you mentioned. The people who are not reluctant to identify me as a casual basketball fan are those who are in their feelings about the GOAT conversation. I'm not ever putting my five favorite players of all-time in the debate, even though an argument could be made for three of them as the GOAT, and have been made for two of them. MJ has never carried a team, he's only been the best player on great teams. He's easily a top 5 player of all-time, and that's no slight to him. But I'm not so nostalgic about MJ that I forget or ignore his failures and weaknesses like surface level fans do. MJ is probably the second or third most dominant scorer of the ball ever to play the game. He's underrated as a passer and as a ball-handler and as a rebounder, overrated as a defender. And he SHOULD be in the GOAT conversation. But when it comes to the GOAT conversation, it's a matter of preference for most people. I can make an argument for 8-10 players as to why they should be the GOAT or shouldn't be. There's nothing casual about my knowledge of the game, just about yours and most people's pedestrian views of the game and its history.

[@bio2020]

no. Lebron pre-Miami was seen as a choker who couldn't win. The only reason why Kevin Love and Anthony Davis were willing to be traded to play with him, was because of the championship success in Miami.

[@daboxingscholar]

14:22 factssss

[@gamechanger114]

If we being honest, nobody was ever saying the phrase "Heat Culture" until Lebron went there. That's literally a phrase that originated from when Lebron was there and Wade, Bosh, Bron and the rest of the team all bought into working together for a single goal of winning a championship😅. We never heard the term "Heat Culture". Shaq and Wade won with the Heat in 06. Heat Culture was not a known phrase before Lebron's tenure there.

[@vizionaryentertainment8464]

Wrong. Heat culture is the blueprint of one guy Pat Riley

[@theblackrepublican4084]

@@vizionaryentertainment8464 he won any championships with the heat since wade or Bron left ? What’s the culture?

[@gamechanger114]

If that's true, then point me to a single reference of anyone saying the phrase "Heat Culture" prior to Lebron getting there. Pat Riley had been there since 1995, so anywhere from 1995-2009 point me to a single moment in time where anyone has used the phrase "Heat Culture". If you can't, just know that, that phrase is a byproduct Lebron & company bringing even more notoriety to a franchise and to specifically Pat Riley. Also, i'm not even focusing about what specifically "Heat Culture" is actually considered. Only focusing the fact that nobody every used that phrase prior to Lebron's arrival, so I'd appreciate it if you don't try shift that actual subject at hand with misinterpretation of trying to define what "Heat Culture" is. I don't care what Heat Culture is, it's irrelevant to the fact that the phrase was never even used until Lebron got there. Now everyone uses the phrase "Heat Culture" and it's understood. For example, what's "Pistons Culture", "Kings Culture", or "Sixers Culture". Every team is going to have a certain culture innately, but it's not worth even talking about usually. Lebron & company made "Heat Culture" a household phrase. Another good example, would be "Warriors culture" not as typical of a phrase; but it's pretty much understood and would be recieved as positive due to Steph Curry & company and their overall contributions to playing winning basketball. Now, prior to them having Stephen Curry & company or winning basketball games in general, I think everyone can agree if the phrase "Warriors culture" there would be almost zero awareness of what "Warriors culture" was.... And it'd be fair to say, several years later even after Curry that nobody would even consider using the phrase "Warriors Culture" prior to Curry & company being there. Now, is "Warriors Culture" Curry? No, it's not, but like said previously, I don't care about that, because the fact remains that a phrase like that would be completely unrecognized prior to Curry & company's tenure with the franchise.

[@washingtonrl]

@@gamechanger114 You are clearly clueless to what a "culture" means. The "Heat Culture" is Pat Riley's genius. It is called the Heat culture because of Riley's influence not a particular player on the Heat's team, RILEY. The phrase "HEAT CULTURE" wasn't a terminology that Lebron brought to the team, he had no influence or experience of being a part of any winning championship culture in the NBA that's why he couldn't win a championship in Cleveland. You are so new to the term "culture" that you think Lebron created it or it was created for Lebron, just like when niggas do a remix to old songs.

[@knowledgeseeker1528]

Big cap

[@randommodnar103]

I think it wasnt the Heat Culture that Lebron learned when he went to Miami, it is the D. Wade leadership and guidance that he learned from going in there.

[@kyleedwards183]

Dwade led the team in their first finals together. 2011. Lebron took a back seat and let wade lead. You saw what happened. The moment wade handed over the keys that’s when they started winning. Then wade got injured during their 4th finals run and it was over.

[@datsapaddlin]

@@kyleedwards183 Yeah if Lebron took the lead from the start instead of them taking turns being the guy they most likely win in 2011. No way Wade should be taking more shots than Lebron in the finals. Lebron was trying to hard to let Wade be the guy because it was his team first.

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

@@kyleedwards183But Gil won’t mention that 😂

[@Packman992-o8l]

@@kyleedwards183yea everyone saw what happened except you obviously wade was already a champ and finals mvp why shouldn’t he lead? Bron choked that’s why the heat loss not cause wade was leading when wade hopped in the passenger seat he pulled his own weight they didn’t win just cause bron was leading the team y’all fan boys funny

[@Packman992-o8l]

@@datsapaddlinwade was a champ and finals mvp you sound dumb why wouldn’t he lead? Y’all fanboys sound dumb saying wade shouldn’t take more shots did you watch 2011? Wade dropped 39 32 and 29 bron had 8 one game that’s his fault not wades y’all logic dumb I can’t believe y’all clowns 😂

[@TheRiggedBA]

4:55 - "Did he take the Heat culture with him?" The debate was over with that line. They were just filling air time after that.

[@jalengray1107]

How tf can you have this take and completely ignore the fact that the heat have been to the FINALS twice in the last four season and the CONF. FINALS 3 out of the last 4?!! 😂😂😂

[@willchoice7681]

what did they win?

[@23beats28]

Fam ima be honest no one cares. They didn’t win and honestly wasn’t even supposed to be there. But the Celtics are just choke artists

[@innovance3788]

He'd just make an similar point to the '06 title, attribute it more to Jimmy than the culture, due to the downs in between

[@EkillOrRyan]

I think most people misunderstanding each other. His time in Miami was extremely valuable to his career. But it’s been a long career. I hate that this conversation turned into championships. We’re talking about dominance. Lebron would be a top 5 player regardless, which is probably how Lebron takes it. You’re questioning his dominance, not his legacy. Those are 2 different conversations. You could argue he has a different legacy, maybe he’s not 2/1 all time, maybe he surpasses Jordan. Who knows and who cares. Does that affect how dominant a single man in the league is? He was one of the most dominant before Miami and he’d still be without them. I think it’s interesting the think about if Lebron would have the leadership and mentality to come back 3-1 in Cleveland if it wasn’t for his teammates in Miami.

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

Statswise yes he would still be dominate, but we don’t play for just stats we play to win championships

[@EkillOrRyan]

@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m “we play to win championships” no of course but that’s not what dominance really means. Dominance means mfs can’t hold you. Shaq isn’t dominant because of the laker 3peat, he’s dominant because no could hold him

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

@@EkillOrRyanactually Ben Wallace and Dennis Rodman hold him and Kawhi held him also

[@GBamaBoy]

Gilbert is crazy. Without Miami. 2 Championships and 4 MVP's. Lebron would never sniff the top 5.

[@NewClassicCarReviews]

One of the biggest missed points that make Gil wrong is not every team had the cap space to bring them all in at once.

[@jasonmunna1449]

But you got to remember they also took a pay cut

[@dizzydacure8226]

Miami didn't either. They all took a paycut. Lol

[@UniversalMind-10]

LeBron had a chance to play with any team he wanted to before the heat his chances of winning 2 chips somewhere else was very high.

[@Traylormade_Chief]

Yup. Lebron and Kobe. Chip. Lebron and Durant. Chip. Lebron and Cousins. Chip. Lebron and Paul George. Chip. Lebron and Dirk. Chip. Lebron and Carmelo. Chip.

[@TheBlwigg]

I think Gil laughs so much when he's talking is because he doesn't even believe half the shit he be saying.

[@TheRoyalHour]

McCants never has valid arguments. Everything Gil said was spot on

[@merrickjackson1623]

I think the thing people are most mad about is not LeBron winning. Its him up-ending the system. He didn't wait for a team to build what he wanted. He did it himself and won doing it. Gilbert is right, they would've went to any team all together and done the same thing. This narrative that LeBron needed guidance to win is hilarious. This man needed a team that wouldn't fall apart around him. This ESPN narrative is starting to get to Shannon. .

[@Bot89895]

Tell that to Mavericks lol.

[@leroyflex1258]

He fell apart in both his first two finals. If bosh didn’t struggle in 2011 along side bron. Miami wins and wade wins fmvp.

[@atibagaskin77]

​@travisrussell7165 Mavs had a very good team with a very good system. They beat every team in the west that was more dangerous than the east that yr.

[@atibagaskin77]

​@@Bot89895LeBron was a roll player against the Mavs that yr. It was still D Wade's team. The following yr Wade gave the torch to LeBron & they won

[@OscarIMorales]

Gill is delusional

[@stephena11]

people act like lebron had never sniffed the finals before joining the head.. he made the finals at 22yo.. it ain’t his fault the cavs front office is terrible

[@DymeLifeSha]

If Kyrie Irving wasn’t the #1 pick to the Cavs, LeBron doesn’t go back to Cleveland…

[@tcincali9642]

If LeBron never leaves Kyrie doesn’t even go there

[@alexmotts]

The writing on the wall was there though. Everyone knew it. D wades knees were done. At least for finals runs. He prob saw d wade talent in kyrie. Less athletic but more skilled and knew it was a betrer chance to win again. Nothing wrong with wanting to win. Isnt that why people like kobe or jordan fans say??? Win no matter what?

[@fritz2live]

​@@alexmottsBron scored 8 points 😅 🗑 JJ Barea, and Jason Terry guarding him 😳

[@jamescox6868]

The Heat helped him but he helped them way more

[@chillbro2275]

hah Yeah for sure! It's a team game, and "team" doesn't just mean the folks on the court.

[@lawrencedudley7493]

Gilbert forgot Bosh had that kidney problem where he couldn’t play. He say he went back to Cleveland, I love how Love and Kyrie just get left out like they were nothing smh y’all love saying Lebron but he done played wit some of the best players in this era

[@PrincipalSkinner3190]

Gil basically admits to being a D Rider, how you gon call Shannon weird for critiquing Lebron 🤣

[@rahb641]

it feels like 2 different questions are being asked at times. Are they asking if heat culture changed him for the better or flat out doesnt he have 2 chips with another team. Heat culture didnt do much to him from the outside perspective but him having 2 rings depends completely on where he goes and with who

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

Without Miami Lebron doesn’t have 2 MVPs, 2 championships and 2 FMVPs it would just be stats

[@BigSlime93]

@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6myou can say that cuz you don’t know where or what he do in those 4 years . Him melo wade in Chicago or with Knicks they win . Atleast 1.

[@JLoveLamour]

Gil pulls out stats, records, and facts. Their answer “heat culture”

[@Will203_]

Glad Gil atleast speaks up.. the media tries their best to discredit what he has accomplished.. those 4 years he was with the heat he was unstoppable.. that first yr his mind was on something else (if uu know uu know)

[@weinaracewarandslaverystar3408]

The media does nothing but glaze Lebron, all they said was he wouldn’t be viewed the same if he didn’t play with Miami, how is that an insult??

[@chillbro2275]

@@weinaracewarandslaverystar3408 I never even knew they said that about him. But my dude is different, he shouldn't be viewed the same, anyway. Ya know?

[@donniet348]

Lebron always picks new coaches who will let him do what he wants. Miami made him play both sides of the ball and play in the post on offense. They made him better.

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

That’s what I’m saying Miami made Lebron play his natural position which is small forward

[@jaydot4956]

Lebron already made like 3 all defensive teams before he went to Miami, stop trying to give the heat credit for shit they had nothing to do with.

[@CBoogie91]

False he had to play pf because bosh was too soft to bang with those centers

[@donniet348]

@@jaydot4956 Bruh it was a known fact that the Miami LeBron was the best version of him. Now all of a sudden it's not. Y'all just follow narratives man.

[@donniet348]

@@CBoogie91 what centers were dominant in the east? I said he played offense in the post instead of him controlling the ball every possession like he likes to do.

[@edddie3052]

He forgetting most of Miami supporting cast was old that last run.Miami Heat is one of the best well run organization.

[@jerrywilliams3373]

Gil should be on First Take he be dropping 🔥

[@joemagwood9130]

He still be a great player but if he doesn't go to Miami with Bosh would he have those 2 rings? If he stayed in Cleveland there be no Kyrie because they wouldn't be in the lottery to get him or trade for Kevin Love so for me going to Miami helped him some in his journey.

[@christjosh8853]

I love gil but this one's an L. The reason the heat didn't make the playoffs after bron left is injuries. D Wade was out and bosh had blood clots and was out all season. The following season when everyone was healthy they went into the second round and were close from conference finals and it was the same exact team pretty much as when bron left. Heat culture didn't have anything to do with LeBron. It started with jimmy butler

[@FUNKYTALEQ8]

The Heat made Brons Legacy

[@vibemane4827]

The real rise with his legacy started with the Heat

[@Rubrick23.]

Facts.

[@teemoney1010]

In reality we don’t know if he would’ve won rings if he didn’t go to Miami but he was always close to it with them Cleveland teams that never got the help he needed. It was gonna be bron, wade and melo that was suppose to team up but melo signed early because he didn’t wanna wait on them. So yea I believe he would’ve won and probably more than 2 rings

[@TheGallant9]

They were going to the Bulls not the Knicks

[@Carolina_Boy_93]

Gil crazy, Wade been put Miami on the map. Miami didn’t need Lebron. They already had won a championship before he got there.

[@mical2great]

Dwade would of NEVER got back to finals without bron😂

[@devgreazy1126]

They definitely did bc when wade won he had another star with him and after that until bron went there they ain’t do shii

[@Carolina_Boy_93]

@@mical2greatwe’re not talking about Wade winning another one. The question was about their culture. Wade didn’t need to win another one to be where he’s at now. He didn’t have a stacked team either for that championship. Stop acting like Lebron didn’t have a stacked team every championship he won.😂😂😂

[@anubis3963]

And lebron went to the finals without wade to y'all just love to hate lebron pathetic!!!

[@Carolina_Boy_93]

@@devgreazy1126” another “ Star, not a stacked team. Y’all can’t deny it 😂😂😂