The Difference Between Playing With Kobe & Jordan

UNHEARD Stories From John Salley's Iconic NBA Career as John Salley enters Gil's Arena and tells Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Legendary tales from his career playing with icons like Kobe Bryant & Shaquille O'Neal on the Los Angeles Lakers, winning NBA Championships with Michael Jordan & The Chicago Bulls and dominating the NBA Playoffs on the Bad Boy Detroit Pistons. He chronicles life amongst NBA Royalty in the 1990's and explains the difference between playing with Kobe & MJ.
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[@2128jrandall]

Gimme John Salley and Kevin Garnett telling stories all night and I'm hooked.

[@41bengal]

Iman Shumpert is damn entertaining too

[@TreeSnackz]

Facts

[@parkermudsen1063]

@@41bengaldon’t forget Magic. He’s a great storyteller too. I can only imagine how many stories he has from the Showtime era alone.

[@Stylz973]

DEFINITELY Iman Shumpert😭😭 Vernon Maxwell too

[@erikhayes3515]

Preach!!

[@kjo2130]

The 70s-90s players, those the ones that need to be doing podcasts!!

[@studiobauhaus7740]

Exactly!!!

[@TheSands83]

Yeah these modern players podcasts are garbage 😂 they have personalities of cardboard.

[@markozbunjol625]

@@TheSands83 they are robots lol

[@JRHInvestments]

70s and early 80s really only got cocaine stories

[@kingvick7446]

​@@JRHInvestments cocaine stories are fun

[@Zeke47]

“Gotta learn how to pace yourself young fella”😂😂😂 i busted out laughing

[@user-cr5ts5fl6t]

Pause

[@Villey]

@@user-cr5ts5fl6t?????

[@Shugthemovement]

STG 🤣

[@kingbanksss]

Facts 😭😭😭

[@moneydogmonroe9294]

Classic!😅

[@osonuga9817]

this is funniest part about this is this had nothing to do with the Difference Between Kobe & Jordan😅

[@BlackMamba-wf9ih]

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO KOBE WAS A SERIAL KILLER.

[@richardjohnson668]

Difference in influence. He made a statement said one is Tide and one is Tide Evergreen. Same shit slight difference

[@chearoyewun1186]

facts nigga just started rambling

[@Getloose360]

​@@BlackMamba-wf9ihstop that 🧢

[@Getloose360]

​@@richardjohnson668but one is the original.

[@emanoluin2723]

This is the type of Gil's Arena that I like. Sadly it will rarely be like this.

[@user-qd6im2hp2e]

Need this vibe more often

[@Dushawn21]

its like this in the summer time.. there will be lots of “player x tells stories”

[@JayBlazingProphecy]

This way better than them talking about the exact same topics as every other podcast

[@cheetah219]

Totally agreed had to step back from Gil for a few weeks because they were basically turning into espn with wild takes, complaining and yelling and fighting about nothing. Same topics every week. Need a topic? Who's the goat and debate that AGAIN for 30 mins to kill time I feel the same way about Jeff Teague podcast, I can't really sit through the whole thing because half the time they are talking about nothing. I far prefer teagues podcast in shorts since it gets past all the rambling

[@suprememathemaics9353]

Out with the old in with the new

[@Kstukess0]

Plz bring back John Salley anytime I know he has stories for days plus he’s a great storyteller and funny 😂

[@marka1wade]

💯

[@Sam................]

Agreed

[@hagnuj1070]

Him being well spoken and a professional comedian is icing on the cake.

[@Kstukess0]

@@hagnuj1070 I agree!

[@bcreighton]

And low-key Spider is a good actor as well

[@rytiski]

Today's NBA generation is so documented on social media today that you know basically everything they're doing. When you hear stories from the 70s, 80s and 90s, they're just great to hear.

[@El...Presidente]

They were rockstars back then. Now they’re just chaperoned athletes with all these phones out.

[@cooldudecs]

@@El...Presidente right they don't mess with all those joints like that anymore either.. Disease, marriage, and losing those sponshorships can be very costly

[@ebk304]

That hits different. Well said

[@mykejohnson8901]

This episode with John Salley is my favorite to this date

[@CoopCollins]

Yeah he was a great guest.

[@dbaldwin]

“Who’s Fucking” straight to the point 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@Stylz973]

I'll tell u this....3 of my homeBoys 2 retired, 1 married & was/is a great dude, another won 6th man of the year Abt 10 years ago & was well known, & the other is still very active.....The average person WOULDN'T BELIEVE the work that I was getting just Being w them. It's bad, But it's VERY HARD 4 me to believe ALOT of the assault claims from these 304's. I'm 100% sure that it's REAL VICTIMS, But from my own eyes/experience....Abt 3 outta 35. They are with EVERYTHING until they feel EXTRA PLAYED or just washed

[@dbaldwin]

@@Stylz973 I believe you!!!

[@Juntao1989]

@@Stylz973FACTS

[@phillipcotton833]

Yeah....THAT PART!!!

[@OfficialTravvyTrav]

Maaaaaaannn 😂😂😂

[@osr3155]

"If I pay I can say" is nasty work dawg

[@foreverflylove]

Brutal honesty 😂😂😂

[@silewis9396]

Apparently everything is nasty work 😂

[@austindasilva7890]

This should be a life lesson for companies around the world pay and treat your employees right and they will work like it

[@chiggsytube]

If i was a bigshot I'd make healthy good food available, subsidized, maybe. No junk. Make it up in productivity for sure, I spent a ton of afternoons full of McDonalds and barely holding on. :(

[@mrblend]

to be fair... they only got this treatment after they started winning.... so life lesson for Employees and Companies

[@PotRoast115]

Real talk, Salley is super underrated. This man won with Det, Chi, and LAL. That’s from late 80’s to early 2k. Arguably the best time in basketball. Crazy!

[@jidduv]

There was a time when he would go to a team and they would win the championship. I had a whole notion that he was a lucky charm back in the 90s.

[@negrodamus323]

How is he underrated...he was 6'11 and never averaged more than 10pts a game or more than 6 reb per game. Seems like he's a cool guy tho

[@El...Presidente]

I don’t think he’s underrated at all, just time goes by and more names join the list so he gets a lil push to the back.

[@mannyneva1760]

Man this dude was a role player don’t exaggerate

[@bradleyboyer9979]

He had very little to do with many of those championships, dude.

[@cyber6sapien]

That Robert Parish story is why I laugh when this younger generation belittles the older generation of stars. Those older guys were _built different_ .

[@hgm38]

Say it again but they think their generation is the best to ever do it. Youngins today don’t give a fuck about history .

[@chiggsytube]

Seriously? Basketball is played way better now than Parish era. Dudes are way more professional, it's the fans who want everybody to hate everybody else. The brotherhood is between them. Does not include the fans. Biggest problem with that era is that the players were not free. Fab 5. Barkley not being a role model. Iverson. The conversations about being authentic to who you actually were ... essential

[@peacemaker4829]

​@@chiggsytube He's not talking about being professionals. Those dudes epitomized what being a dog is. Their mentalities were much rougher to their core. Those dudes did not gaf. They were less professional and more like cowboys, and they were hard as nails. This newer generation woukd absolutely destroy the older generation in terms skill and athleticism, but the older generation would destroy in terms of grit and resilience. They both have their pros and they both have their cons. That's why a great mix if the two is how you become loved by most fans, ie MJ and Kobe.

[@cyber6sapien]

@@peacemaker4829 ^This.

[@victorwong6976]

@@peacemaker4829well said.

[@saberterminal871]

bro said The POPE 😂 Jordan was different

[@nathanmiller3182]

My slow ass didn't know who the Pope was and iam 47 from Chicago

[@niriboy8952]

The pope was Phil bro. Mike was Michael Jackson 🤣

[@silewis9396]

Of course he was different. He's Michael fucking Jordan 😂

[@JeremyCondez]

The coolest part about this conversation was just seeing Gilbert and the rest of them learn something new from John Salley about how things were back then. It’s like we’re a fly in the room with them hearing all these stories that normally would be told behind the scenes or not told in front of a camera. This is dope!

[@HeMadNice]

More vets with cool stories!!! This was dope learning how older players did it

[@MJ-xh4fl]

A friend of mine worked at the Reebok club in NYC back in the mid to late 90s. Most of the NBA teams practiced there when they played the Knicks or Nets. My friend told me the Bulls were on a whole other level in how they practiced and carried themselves. It was easy to see why they were champions.

[@geeman8332]

The crazy thing is those players were physical as hell and playing 82 games....smoking cigarettes and drinking liquor 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@chiggsytube]

Right, that physicality slows the game down a ton, because you can just punch quick guards instead of guard them. Showtime Lakers would be BY FAR the slowest team in the NBA today. Hell SSOL Suns too! Physicality bruises your face if you 6'9" maybe lose some teeth. Full speed sprints all game every game? We see it. Ankles. Knees. Achilles. Hamstrings. Also physicality allows the scrubs to stay in the L, they just life weights during offseason. Those dudes gone. Now everybody is lethal from wherever. Vast improvement.

[@cooldudecs]

@@chiggsytube your not allowed to touch anymore... Its not an improvement it took pyschality out of the game...Different era different tools needed.. Steph would have broken both ankles in the 90s... Stem cell research

[@LawrenceAugust_]

​@@chiggsytube The 85-86 Lakers had a 102.1 Pace Factor … 2023-24 - Average NBA team has a 98.5 Pace Factor 85-86 Lakers averaged 117 ppg … they did this with only 409 three point attempts all season. Average NBA team averaged 114.2 ppg and shot 2880 three pointers in 2023-24. 80s was fast paced... Slowest pace was in the mid to late 90s… 1998-99 even slipped below 90 (88.9 Pace Factor)

[@FalseFlagRecords]

@@LawrenceAugust_ Thank you for some Facts!!!

[@gs2162]

Nobody was smoking cigarettes in the NBA bro

[@anthonysmith9972]

This just shows how important Jordan was to the league. GOAT STATUS. He put basketball to a whole other level of marketing

[@rambotan5867]

Ant will be the Next GOAT.

[@diegochavez6203]

He just came before Kobe Kobe better

[@wholegang_weusnotthem3574]

Them stories of the 80s and 90s are so underrated and undermining. John a good example of a honest player

[@creamycoolcookie9069]

DEFINITELY hahaha haha!!!!.

[@Sticktothemodels]

That Robert Parish story is gold

[@MountEverest-hs2sw]

Indeed.

[@JWINPoker]

“Gotta pace yourself, young fella.”

[@2KGrind09]

Let me go get this man book 😂

[@kuumbafranklacy490]

WORD

[@TheWillOfGod1]

Facts

[@nate8604]

John Salley and Gil got the same brand of humor, this show was 🔥🔥🔥.

[@phoenixrisingone1]

Damn, y'all gotta get John Sally a good business decision invite on your couch panel full time. He can get y'all into untapped NBA gold mine stories from his generation of guests. And he got gift of gab.

[@MrGroove0221]

John Salley is a GREAT STORYTELLER 😂😂😂

[@nate8604]

Gil is right about the old nba era having a goldmine of stories. I personally feel like HBO or Showtime should make a series based off those stories.

[@user-be7tc2bd6e]

AGREED.

[@FalseFlagRecords]

Kinda like that old series on HBO or Showtime about the Outlaw Country guys when they were on tour or recording. I lived for those lil animation episodes...Had me dying laughing kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6umq2Cwdp1mp5o

[@dollabill9643]

John Salley always tell great stories 😂😂😂😂

[@tonedogg2008]

“Watch yaself, It looks good but it don’t feel good”😫🤣🤦🏾‍♂️😂Rashad wild

[@StrawhatSkinny]

He wasn’t on “Best damn sports show” for nothing!!

[@je5406]

Classic

[@Me3ks89]

Damn I’m old 😂

[@creamycoolcookie9069]

Haha!!.

[@ClutchDre__]

This is gold man. Preciate y’all having John on 💯 Great story teller and great takes. Should definitely bring him back.

[@Dantana773]

Thank you, Sally, for letting the world know how top tier the Chicago Bulls were in the 90s... Baskerball Royalty the best for thr best

[@camerongerdes824]

Gotta love John Salley! "We here for a reason not a season" 😂😂😂😂😂

[@hgm38]

Morale of the story is “ain’t nothing new under the sun”

[@silewis9396]

"It's never what you do but how it's done"

[@bobbythespaceghost9934]

These are the stories that I NEED to hear. My goodness. I also want to hear more Detroit Pistons during their heyday stories.

[@ShonGeezy_]

“I liked my wife” is crazy work😭😭

[@curlykingjt7145]

I thought we was talking about Kobe and Jordan. Instead we got some do the greatest stories from an OG 😂

[@tomanguyen]

I was waiting for the Kobe stories

[@curlykingjt7145]

@@tomanguyen same here bro no 🧢

[@Brian-ek6no]

Cannibus will do it

[@podfather6448]

3:03 “I remember I was on a squad I won’t say the name.. Miami Heat” 😂😂

[@CallMeIgnorant]

It was the...

[@larrylambert9025]

Gil should get with the cartoonist who did the Doc Ellis lsd perfect game cartoon. And do 70's/80's/90's NBA episodes

[@darrelljones3965]

Facts

[@windell0121]

Walk in the club "WHo's f--kin'?"

[@cezz1105]

Ikr! Like damn, some guys have all the luck!

[@alpizzle2963]

Ya dig

[@princesamuels5981]

Big Sal Certified legend

[@cyber6sapien]

John Salley played with Jordan and he played with Kobe. Something isn't adding up, because he was supposed to be "old" when the Pistons lost to the Bulls in 1991. 🤔

[@sportstalkonly1442]

How effective was he dude? I mean u can't make this stuff up

[@payeeang7838]

He's 27 when they lost to bulls in 91 It was 29 dumars was 28 bill was 33

[@jblazin52]

According to most Pistons from MJs "Last Dance" they were too old by the time MJ got by them. 🙄

[@CrushWildman]

He specifically was young at the time you dumb dingus

[@pastormichaelsharkey6734]

The pistons main players were older and more experienced

[@SandraPhillips-cb5og]

You're nailing it, keep the great work!

[@parrishmartin1334]

Ayo

[@city1346]

Trolll

[@user-cr5ts5fl6t]

Pause

[@imaginethat3026]

​@@user-cr5ts5fl6tA woman said it. Why are you saying pause?

[@user-cr5ts5fl6t]

@@imaginethat3026 We don’t know if she’s a transformer. We have to make sure our bases are covered.

[@nbrownchicago]

Isaiah was from the Westside of Chicago.

[@NotAnAstronaut2k]

Yeah but he reppin the southside, Isiah's family are gangsters, even his mom was gangsta

[@roncollins7143]

I started watching the NBA when Isaiah Thomas and the Detroit Pistons were playing for their second championship title in a row …after they won, all I can remember is that Michael Jordan took over and I’ve been loving basketball ever since❤

[@saywordtv410]

John a smooth dude. Very chill and humble!

[@neonmatt24]

John Salley tearing up reminiscing on them Bulls day! That's how you know how special that time was.

[@solaodebunmi9492]

NO. He has had a long-running medical situation that makes him tear up 😅😂😂😂 Ain’t no reminiscing tears going on there! 😂🤦🏽‍♂️

[@hmosesmamulu6491]

Man go watch John Salley on vlad TV from 5 years ago. This dude been teary eyed for a damn decade lol

[@ADAJ3KINGANGEL]

5:08 Gil sleeping on that Boston Market Rotisserie chicken. 😂

[@MrBmick79]

tyhem potatoes hit too! especially with the chicken gravy

[@T.H.E.O.R.Y.]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: John Salley (and Rick Fox), has parlayed his non-star playing career into a wonderful retirement better than anyone I've seen. Just a few weeks ago I had Luther Vandross' Can I Take You Out Tonite on my mind, so imagine my surprise when I glance at the music video and see Salley in it. It just proved my belief again at that point lol.

[@olusolaoyadina5187]

Yes, John is been in the media for a long time, well connected but so humble. He's done well for himself post basketball.

[@reggp1]

So breaks the narrative of how the 90s Bulls were being handled. Gourmet Food, High Level Planes, Legit Trainers, Massage Specialists, Luxury Hotels, Strength Coach, Swimming Pool just to Train and etc. (2 Things) this should have been shown on the Documentary and also they were all pampered and trained like modern day players that is *ucking Wild who knew !

[@mrblend]

They worked for it and this happened in the later years..... once they were champions.

[@reggp1]

@@mrblend doesn’t matter it’s about doing things over 25 years ago is considered normal today that’s exceptional and 2 steps ahead

[@mrblend]

@@reggp1 yeah I know, but Im just saying, they only got that after winning... it is has been standard for all teams for a while now. But it is advanced for sure, ahead of their time.

[@reggp1]

@@mrblend as long as your the first to do something and then it becomes standard that’s how life goes Sprint HTC was first then the IPhone changed the planet

[@mrblend]

@@reggp1 lol HTC... that brings some memories haha

[@theairforce1877]

I love Gil's podcast and John Sally is the ultimate story teller. Nothing like hearing those amazing stories of yesterday. Women (The Work) was freakin phenomenal back then. I remember seeing them back in the day late 80's early 90's with NBA players like Jerry Reynolds and Terry Catledge who played for the Orlando Magic. They had some sup dupa Stars that were straight on another level

[@vision176]

Man this is great Salley is gold

[@garyparks8686]

Beautiful when a person realized a humbling situation ... communication is key in any relationship ... shout out to Gil 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

[@koro_adamn7116]

This is the best episode iv ever seen from this show!

[@cortlandsimmons6241]

Great Show brothas!!

[@bigbertha8]

Love these stories

[@philcavallini9657]

Love this one Gil do more OG players from the 80s and 90s

[@IAPancham9]

Yoooooo “if i paid, I can say” is crazy work about old boys bm

[@lordzobey4602]

Isiah From Da WESTSIDE

[@qj8733]

Isiah “Lord” Thomas

[@unclericosfootballcamp2854]

💯

[@deondreclarkclark6052]

Like a MF’r!!!!!

[@Cahluvca]

One of the best

[@westsidechicago4406]

Facts

[@nicoperez9984]

one of ur best episodes!!

[@Angelabarbosadominguez-it4fh]

great episode !!!!!

[@ImaginationVideos816]

Dot & Etta's is a Detroit staple 🎯Spiderman Salley definitely ain't lying 💯🤣

[@gatormark]

This is the BEST clip i've seen in YEARS!!! 🤣

[@thefpvlife7785]

Mr. Sally is such a chill man. I enjoy his stories.

[@creamycoolcookie9069]

Man I can listen to John Salley tell stories of the old days, "ALL DAY LONG"!!!!. SOOOO smart, intelligent, interesting & entertaining!!!!.

[@yougotchange357]

Best episode ever!!!!!!!

[@drew.p.y]

bro he's AIRING IT ALL OUT LMAOOOOOOO

[@johnatspray]

Love the story telling

[@hard2grd]

Salley always has the Best stories ... Gil is right , those OG players need to start a podcast . real talk .

[@twilitezn]

NGL......That Big Chief story was GOLD!

[@d-HG_KOBE]

OG Sally. Good old days~~~> Very good story teller.

[@howardwayne8288]

Gil is right.... These stories are GOOD MINES, because these young people nowadays couldn't even fathom how players operated back in the 70's 80's and early 90's 💯

[@MrROKinROK]

Awesome content!

[@KlikQuot]

If yall want to know what a real Brooklyn dude is without the antics it’s Salley

[@blacmamba9665]

This dude is a great storyteller, Gil gotta bring him back on the show

[@patricksanders9468]

The parish story! love it

[@SouthBeach.]

Love listening to John.

[@stangeorge3534]

John Salley’s spider stories are the best.

[@jzw55]

I want people to stop saying Kobe was a mirror of MJ. Physically there’s no comparison. People don’t realize how strong MJ was. Not only that no one could grab a ball out of the air with 1 hand like a softball. We will start there. MJ had a 48 inch vertical. Still the highest vertical ever in the league. We’ve had some great leapers 5’9” and under. From Spud Webb to Nate Robinson that won multiple dunk contests between them. Jordan was 6’6” and jumped higher than those guys. He jump so high people literally talked about his hang time and how he floated in air til the defender hit the ground. My point is no one ever had that hang time. The guy in 87 that scored 38 ppg, defensive player of year, All everything else you can think of. Kobe is reminiscent of MJ after baseball. Thats where the comparison starts. When MJ lost some of that raw athleticism. MJ had handles but he didn’t have any wasted dribbles. He dribbles with purpose. People will say Kobe had a better handle which is fine but when Shaq left and Phil left the Lakers Kobe started that iso dribble where everyone watched him. Dribble without purpose is a team killer. Plus Kobe became that 2nd version of MJ when Phil came back to deliver him (2) more chips. The 1st version of Kobe was sooooo damn efficient. He averaged 25 with Shaq and was shooting maybe 15-18 times a game not 25-30. He was Batman and so was Shaq. They were equals. Kobe had to facilitate the offense at the end of the game cause of Shaq foul shooting. He was more Lebron than MJ with the defense of Scottie. I say Lebron cause he could take over a game when needed but facilitated like Scottie. I could go on but you’ll get it

[@davelouie131]

Jordan more athletic and Kobe more skilled.

[@justinangelbeck6330]

​@davelouie131 Bad take. No way he's more skilled. Watch the videos.

[@Gazz.z]

​@@justinangelbeck6330He's not wrong tho. Kobe is by far the most skilled player in the league. Don't forget that Kobe played half of his career with injuries. He's the only NBA player who played with a broken hand, broken finger, torn shoulder, fractured knee and still better than the rest of the NBA players.

[@daboyy6537]

Kobe blows Jordan out the water in terms of basketball, take emotion out of it n you’ll see clearer

[@hgm38]

Preach

[@Lalaphive]

Dot & Ettas is a staple in Detroit. Salley is always on point.

[@superboy305]

Always loved John

[@liftyourspirit2910]

I like this from John sally. Nutrition is paramount in life and in sports. A Holistic Lifestyle

[@KeeWay211]

I need that hoodie Josiah got on 😂😂

[@lorenzobuhain3629]

One of the best guests ever!!!

[@hoggrcarter4881]

John Sally stories is like gold ... nobody tells stories az real az John Sally

[@user-lt1fx2he5s]

The difference is Michael Jordan got his shots in the flow of the offense and he was efficient and Kobe would try to shoot over multiple defenders instead of letting the game come to him.

[@Saviiq]

Nawww

[@memcrew1]

Yes, thats about right.

[@jmoore0386]

I watched Kobe growing up, he’s overrated

[@mr.2cocky265]

@@jmoore0386u gotta be a troll looking for attention with this comment

[@ohhhyeahhh1174]

​@@jmoore0386 From 00 to 10 Kobe 28ppg 5 4 45% 55% tsp Kobe from 06 to 10 peak years Season 30ppg 5 5 45% 56% True shooting Playoffs 30ppg 6 5 46% 56% true shooting 15 all nba 12x all defense How was he overrated? You people who hate Kobe are so brainwashed it was by designed that they wanted to suppress Kobe to win more rings and had mvps stolen from him. Jordan nor lebron did something that Kobe did and that was go 10-1 vs 50+ win teams and take his teams to the finals without a all nba or defense or dpyo, or all star in 08 he lost to a 4x all star squad in the Celtics. Being overrated isn't the word that goes with kobe at all.

[@kingku1793]

Petition to make john a regular

[@garfieldbright]

That was a fun episode

[@charleshwilliams1123]

Good interview John salley aka as spider😎

[@cwagsr7189]

He won championships with ZEKE too… LET IT BE KNOWN!

[@kisswriters]

He won two (2) chips with Isiah!

[@chrisbradley3224]

John Salley is funny as hell.

[@mars3676]

This video gave me great laugh and warm hearts

[@JonTheCobraCrosby]

John Sally tells the best stories

[@WhatIsaysGoes]

Salley is too cool

[@blackout2430]

18:42 Barry bonds another brother who wishes he was ⚪️ like sally and OJ

[@MiguelPerfecto]

This is why The Best Damn Sports Show Period was legendary. John Salley.

[@jacobstamant4004]

That last statement by Mr maccants was egregious work 🤯🤦🏽‍♂️

[@Kentelligent24]

Zeke is from the Westside of the Chi

[@switters3]

There's great pic of Dave Parker hitting the J in the dugout during a game. Got a ring. Doc Ellis called everybody out, red pills, green pills. Nobody a saint. Sports is crazy hard. Team doc says, "Eat this, eat that or you are done, son.", you eat it. Do stuff that makes you happy, you gonna do good at your job.

[@SmilingDolphins-ye4zm]

You got to love john Sally

[@davidstone7359]

I love this show ❤