A380neo vs A380plus - Emirates Fleet Decision

[@Emperorvalse]

A380-900 NEOPlus is what EK wants. They won't get it as the supply chain has been disbanded and the cost to recommence the production line would make a very limited production run too costly for even Emirates. As you pointed out the cancelation of the EK order/options, no freighter version as well was the reason RR was just not interested in modifying the Ultrafan for the A380.

[@jamesboss1052]

Yes but airbus are useless now because Ek want airbus 380 neo plus

[@CaptVirtual]

They are not suggesting new aircraft production, but rather upgrade of existing fleet (new engines, wingtips, perhaps avionics)

[@Emperorvalse]

@CaptVirtual That's interesting. So like the DC-8-70's which involved switching the JT3 for CFM65 and recertification. I think they were also zero houred. It wasn't cheap as only 110 (20%) were done. The USAF also re-engined some of their 717 based C-135's using the same CFM65. Still the program would require both Airbus and more importantly RR to do the design, integration and development then have the planes recertified. All doable but would cost $ which neither party are probably willing to spend while they have profitable alternatives.

[@Infiltator2]

And RR was always the ones blocking it. Airbus always wanted the NEO, because on the rest they wouldn't have needed to invest much. @@Emperorvalse

[@AleksPTA]

Loved being a passenger on the A380, has anyone flown on a bird that is comparable ?

[@БорисМатвиенко-я6е]

Flying in A350 giving the same level of comfort as in A380. I would say in matter of customer comfort Airbus is doing better in whole family of their aircrafts, small things making job.

[@themindset3329]

ATR72. Massive plane, unfathomable luxury. Fast, smooth, quiet... A true feat of aviation engineering

[@Hype7media]

Golf stream G650

[@apveening]

I'd say the A340 was comparable, about as quiet as the A380, especially when compared to the noise buckets from Boeing.

[@r12004rewy]

@@apveening the 340 particularly the 600 was a fantastic aircraft to fly on and was longer than the 380 I flew on a Virgin 346 from Washington to Heathrow late evening flight there were under 70 passengers on board just incredible.

[@xraylife]

A380 the best passenger plane in the skies.

[@FrequencyORD]

747 better

[@r12004rewy]

No way is/was the 747 better than the 380..unfortunately the 380 was just to late in its introduction but for passenger experience the 380 wins on every level

[@Milkinporsche]

@@FrequencyORDA380 provides more supreme comfort from passengers perspective.

[@danielmeador1991]

@@FrequencyORDshhhhhhhh you will trigger the airbus fanboys

[@ari_29971]

@@danielmeador1991 lmaoooo

[@jeremydee5424]

Even though I haven’t flown on an 380…I think it’s a marvelous piece of engineering…it is. However, it is a truly niche aircraft and I believe came at a time of where no one knew where the aviation industry was going. It’s almost like the 757…where the timing building it was off but now that it’s gone…now others want it or want to keep it flying for the longest time possible. I just wonder why Emirates only went with the 380 instead of a combo 747-8/380.

[@johniii8147]

Actually it very clear when the 380 was officially launched where the industry was going. It was twins

[@iangill8984]

I wonder if it was case that the 747-8 would have been yet another aircraft type so would need to train pilots, engineers etc. A simplified fleet makes things easier

[@apveening]

@@johniii8147 ETOPS: Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim

[@markiangooley]

Emirates had 123, nearly half of the total delivered. Singapore Airlines had 24. Lufthansa had 14, British Airways and Qantas each had 12. A few other customers had 10 each, and everyone else had fewer delivered. Some passengers really love them. Some complain that embarking or disembarking a near-full A380 overloads almost any concourse and is a pain. Even most large airports cannot handle regular A380 flights, just emergency landings. Airbus has disassembled their production line. No engine maker seems interested in creating or modifying an engine that could serve as a super-efficient replacement engine for A380s: the A380 is not the B-52, and Emirates is not the U. S. Department of Defense. It seems pretty obvious that there will be no A380neo.

[@roberthowell7095]

Wishing and hoping isn't going to make it happen. These articles and comments on a 2.0 a380 in any form is a waste of time. By all accounts a great aircraft that didnt meet Airbus on sales or some of the airlines expectations on cost efficiency.

[@kevansimister3967]

The best plane I’ve ever been on if you haven’t been on one try one you won’t believe just how good they are

[@johniii8147]

The real issue is that RR was not interested in developing a new Engine for such low volume. Was not worth the investment. EK is not nearly as important as TC likes to portray. They are just one of many carriers.

[@aqvo4855]

Fun fact, the new aft galley featured on the A380+ is installed on all 3 A380s of ANA.

[@estraume]

Of cause Emirates would rather buy an aircraft with up to 25% more efficient engines that an aircraft with slightly improved aerodynamics that would be 4% more efficient.

[@Alamadii]

The A380 is by far the most comfortable luxurious and futuristic plane in my eyes even though its technology is very old, still when you see it fly it’s something else entirely. I could just imagine how it would be if it had newer engines.

[@toowoombacorgi6358]

Why not offer the larger winglets as a retrofit to existing A380s.

[@sainnt]

Perhaps Emirates used to love the A380, but that's no longer the case. Even if Airbus had built the A380neo, Emirates would have never ordered 100 of them. This was more of a ploy from Tim Clark to push Boeing. Once all the issues with the 777-X have been resolved, Emirates will likely order more, but nobody wants any more quad engine aircraft.

[@johniii8147]

Exactly. TC knows the NEO 380 is never happening. That battle for them was lost some time ago now. He's just running his mouth for negotiation purposes.

[@stephendoherty8291]

The 777x is likely to the next replacement both a politically useful order and with suitably generous interior design and potentially higher SAF e-fuel cost, the means to which A380 fans will move over to. Over time, as the 380 disappears from the sky, those fans demanding a 380 experience will forget. However we may see the arrival of the open rotor design and composite lightweighting offer potential for a larger A350 to compete with the 777x as the 380 alternative. At present, its just capacity constraints vs production backlogs that keep the 380 in the sky. Airport capacity will not change unless passengers accept distant airports that dissipate noise/free development expansion or locals surrounding suburban airports accepting ever more planes to offset capacity vs demand (not a chance). Passengers want to go to airports nearest to magnet cities, residents surrounding airports do not care about a quieter plane if more of them, undermine any noise benefit of a "quieter "one and airports cannot extract more throughput capacity unless they can solve this (and they don't control aircraft design). As fewer 380s land, so does the reason to invest in passenger transfer for a 380 requirement. Just as the 747 series stopped production way after it had already lost , we may only see the 380 repurposed as the ultimate aircargo unless shipping solves its carbon footprint challenge.

[@sainnt]

@@stephendoherty8291 Agreed. With regards to turning the A380 into a cargo aircraft, I believe that the biggest challenge has to do with creating a certifiable cargo door for the upper deck. The alternative would be a swivel tail, similar to what Boeing has with the Dreamlifter. Also, they can remove the second deck altogether. This would make it possible for the aircraft to carry super large items and create a market similar to that of the Antonov AN-225. The investment for the modification would be huge, but possibly worth it to someone.

[@stephendoherty8291]

@@sainnt While possible there are plenty of 747s now sitting abandoned. Many ended final flights only during Covid and many will be cheaper retrofits than the A380 plus a Jumbo cargo plane is a known conversion. While the A380 offers space (just below the rare AN-225) , the opportunity to convert the remaining passenger 747-8 into cargo is a cheap deal with no demand outside this market for passenger use. There is also the plenty 777-300-ERs still around that offer low fuel burn and a cheap conversion as there was already a freighter version designed. While the A380 has the space advantage, its fuel burn and limited A380 capable airports make it less attractive plus its an unknown conversion. With a cheaper to buy used Boeing and reasonable fuel burn this offsets any space advantage where regular low cost runs outweigh carrying capacity unlike shipping where capacity wins over fuel burn per ton. Idle old A380s are now more valuable as spares than freighter conversions as even Airbus has ever more limited spare parts to hand and most A380s are still "young"

[@sainnt]

@@stephendoherty8291 Agreed, but my point has to do with the A380 having a unique role as an aircraft capable of carrying exceptionally large cargo. The Antonov had 6 engines, highly inefficient, but it was in high demand because it was able to carry things that would otherwise be carried on a ship. A converted A380 could fulfill such a role, and only a few of them would be needed, so there would be more than enough units to source for parts if a few of them were converted.

[@AzmiDee]

Maintenance wise in A380 take minimum 6 month to 10 month for a A380 for a heavy check , it is not a maintenance friendly but if the next version of A380 can reduce the most component in the aircraft from being overheated than is it good .The aircraft should also be maintenance friendly to aircraft mechanic not only to for passenger comfort only .

[@jojonsu]

It’s too ahead of it’s time but for sure we need an aircraft of this size soon as the skies and airport slots clog up. Airlines that operate these aircraft should be given priority for slots. It’s only fair for what the carriers invest and and the extra space they free up.

[@Dave-nm8uk]

Probably not viable, though I'm not sure that's a shame. For me the 380 has been the best plane I've ever travelled in. I've not tried the 350 which may be similar, but cheaper to operate and a bit smaller. I have been on many Boeings - as well as a few other maker's planes. The Dreamliner is perhaps the next most comfortable from my experience, though it's a lot smaller. Years ago I used to like the 747s a lot, but they can be noisy and use a lot of fuel I believe compared with modern planes. One 777 I flew on - I've been on several of those and 767s and 757s - was truly dreadul regarding noise, and unfortunately it was a very long flight. Mostly in recent years I have flown on much smaller aircraft, many of them by Airbus. So probably not going to happen for a new 4 engined aircraft, but I hope the existing fleets of 380s will continue for some time. Airbus have said that they will continue to support them.

[@ianisandula824]

Have flown the A380 with Emirates Business between Australia and Uk many times in the last 15 years. As a generally nervous flyer, I find it an absolute tragedy that this plane ( the absolute bestest most fabulousest passenger plane ever ) is coming to a premature end. 777s, 787s and A350s ( higher efficiencies not withstanding) provide an inferior passenger experince

[@Capt.Turner]

I couldn't agree more. Would be willing to pay a surplus to get on that plane again.

[@da480]

Real bummer for us passengers when this most passenger friendly aircraft production has been discontinued so quickly. I don’t know anyone who experienced flying on A380 and didn’t fall in love with it

[@Capt.Turner]

I couldn't agree more. Would be willing to pay a surplus just to get on this plane again.

[@TheManunderwater]

Absolutely any A380. .... 😊

[@matsv201]

The issue is not that the A380 is to big, but the A350 is to small to bridge the gap, so is the 777x, while the 747-8 is to large to bridge it. There need to be an aircraft in the middle between the 777x and the 747-8. And happily that is exacty where airbus got no aorcraft what so ever. A A360 would be perfect.

[@audacity60]

Look at how the Douglas DC8-60 series given new life with the 70 series upgrade in the early 1980s. New build A380, seem unlikely, but a factory re life/update/improvement option might be attractive to existing A380 airlines.

[@ivanviera4773]

Emirates A380's could be retrofitted with more efficient Winglets like Delta has done with the 757's and 767-300's.

[@themindset3329]

Or everyone else with the 737 NGs

[@johniii8147]

Not enough of them built to bother.

[@4evertrue830]

4% fuel burn savings? No no no, pls what is 4% going to do? What is really needed is far more than that from the engines, which i think should be a re-engineering of the new B737 max engines fuel efficiency for the A380.

[@johniii8147]

It's a dead program. Not worth even worrying about. Things have moved on .

[@peteorengo5888]

As the growth in passenger traffic clearly shows, there will be an increasing need for large wide bodies in the future. The 380s, 777-8s and A340s will keep flying for many more years to fill the gap until new twin jet production catches-up with demand. In my opinion, the 777-9 and A350-100 offer sufficient capacity to satisfy the need for large airplanes for probably the next 20-30 years.

[@grtitann7425]

We have limited amount of pilots. Limited amount of time per day. So explain to me how having more smaller planes which requires more pilots and more available time the solution? I think we need more A380s not less. Also, they should make some A380s without so many first class seats/beds and instead provide a bit more space for each coach seat but adding more total passengers.

[@Scoobadal]

Thank you, excellent episode

[@robcorfield8282]

I’ve been very lucky and been first class on the 380 to have a shower at 40000 feet is out of the world!

[@kevin-parratt-artist]

I don't have sufficient technical knowledge to offer anything other than I am a lover of the aircraft, and where possible, seek A380 carriers to cover my routes: MELB to BKK & BKK to Munich.

[@atisalvaro]

Well, if Emirates finance a large part of it, it could be done

[@chiad25]

Imagine if AIrbus had launched the A380neo in 2017 on a 200 order from EK. Then enter the pandemic. two years later.

[@efone3553]

The a380 is by far the most comfortable passenger plane hands down.

[@gunvaldsandhaland7757]

Go On Emirates And Airbus.I LOVE TO BE A PASSENGER ON THE A380,Thanks For Great Info

[@gretareinarsson7461]

Sure, if Emirates are ready to guarantee paying for 150 A380 neo.

[@20851909]

Seeing how British airways and Lufthansa among others have brought back the A380 out of retirement to the demand of the public, I think there would be somewhat of a market for the A380neo. I think with the way customers were demanding that the A380 come back, that folks would be excited to possibly see more of these beautiful aircrafts take flight. Me personally would love to see it myself.

[@apveening]

I would love to see it as well, but the cancellation of those orders by EK signed the death warrant for the A380. If they had told Airbus they would like to convert those orders to orders for the A380neo (ore neoplus), Airbus might have kept the line open.

[@RealAnthonyJones]

Can they fit 4 GE90 on it for the hell of it?

[@waticala]

There's no need to release a new A380neo. The actual A380 can get winglets installed and engines reemplaced.

[@stephendoherty8291]

Could the winglets not be added to the existing 380s and why doing this while buying used 380s by emirates not extend this use out further as the Boeing Jumbo series. Other options are to add just 2 new engines for low burn cruising allowing either the outer engines to cut the performance they need to have on hand or just use the outer engines as takeoff and high airtemp offset power capacity (as the far east will experience more often). Cannot see why the "maintenance cost refinements" could not be offered by Airbus for the 380 now. Winglets were added to existing planes before (I recall Ryanair did this) and the cost of adding a new winglet and aircraft hanger and downtime would be minimised. Short of another airline asking for a 380 , this is just fantasy. However Emirates are correct - its slot capacity, passenger flight demand and more efficient planes that can fill that flight slot that means capacity per plane must rise or regional airports offer the answer to this constraint. Even with land based regional switches to trains, flying over mountains, deserts and water means regional planes still rule even with higher fuel costs cutting boom discount seasonal ticket orders and airport demand

[@themindset3329]

I wish this could come to fruition, but the A380 plant is pumping out A321NEOs now, all of this is just wishful thinking

[@matsv201]

A380neo was probobly thought of like a dc8 type revision.

[@rammanohar8161]

Carriers should use more A380, it is a bliss to fly in the A380

[@49mohT]

i am convinced the a380 program will be revived in a decade or two, looking at governments capping or cutting down flight movements and airport expansions, despite growing long-distance demand.

[@nickolliver3021]

Unfortunately the A380 program will not be revived. The closure of production means it will not come back

[@johniii8147]

@@nickolliver3021 That's the reality some don't like to accept. Once production is shut down, Its DONE

[@nickolliver3021]

@@johniii8147 100% agree on that

[@49mohT]

@@nickolliver3021 Does it though? They have remodelled the factory to build A320's in like, a year? All the patents, all the drawings, all the schooling is documented and archived. If it's profitable, anything is possible... Not saying they should, but the world changes... Maybe they'll just develop something else instead, but who knows. The A380 was too late and too early for its time.

[@nickolliver3021]

@@49mohT yes. Do you not get that once it's closed it cannot be opened up again? The line has been converted to a 321neo production line now. The patents, schooling, drawings is documented and archived. The 380 was never profitable. Only with Emirates it still is hence why they're keeping them until 2032. The world can change but won't make the 380 cone alive again if that's what you mean. The world is going to more twins than quads now. Time is moving on

[@U5mR]

I think eventually Emirates will be proven correct, Airport space is at a premium and it will only get worse because there are a finite number of them and you can't just pop one up. I feel like Airbus could be on the way to getting thumped by Boeing if they go for a modern 747 equivalent.

[@hanj31]

They're a hub and spoke model at the highest level. That's why they have all these nice comfortable to fly on A380's. If you look at say Korean air or Asiana, they probably only got these planes so they could have more capacity on their busiest routes from ICN (LAX and JFK for both CDG for KAL since its the biggest hub for their sky team European partner Air France KLM group and FRA for Asiana for it's partner's (lufthansa group) largest hub in Europe.) Could Airbus and RR or Engine Alliance GP develop a new engine so A380 can be a tri jet?

[@johniii8147]

No.

[@paulbarnett227]

Would Emirates buy enough aircraft to make it viable for Airbus to build them?

[@roberthowell7095]

We know the answer. NO.

[@johniii8147]

Obviously not.

[@Lexoka]

I'm a bit confused. If the UltraFan would be suitable for an A380neo (which it apparently would be), then why would the investment be too high for Airbus? Is switching engine type really that expensive?

[@ghostrider-be9ek]

yes

[@haakonht]

Switching the engine type is very cheap, getting it re-certified isn't.

[@johniii8147]

Yes it's huge expense and years of development and certification. Too low volume for RR to invest all that money to sell maybe at best 100 aircraft.

[@Lexoka]

@@johniii8147 Thanks. I didn't realize you needed to re-certify engines for each aircraft type separately. I guess there's no chance Emirates would pay for it, right?

[@johniii8147]

@@Lexoka Nope. Costs for a neo development would run into the billions for both Airbus and the engine manufacture. The program is just over and EK/TC know that.

[@francescog53550]

All they need to do is just an engine changeover with NEW engines that get approved and studied specifically for the CURRENT a380. Easy Peasy Airbus. You did it with the a320 CEO’s winglets, do it for the a380 new engines as well.

[@DominicMazoch]

The 380 should have come with a freighter and/or pax-freight hybrid.

[@murphy-g2i]

great video darling

[@j700jam4]

Will never happen. Even if they could make the A380 a twin engine it would still be a non starter

[@dodgykiwi1235]

Couldn't they just modify the already existing fleet with the ultra fan, new engines and the winglets?

[@ChaklitTea]

A380 is done. Boeing should offer a larger 777x for emirates

[@patrickpeters2903]

Well this video is really food for thought. Emirates is dreaming to fly airplanes only for their needs. As fast As possible. BUT planemakers, Airbus like Boeing, are already too busy with new generation aircrafts. And Airbus never made any profit with the A380. Just fame and respect in the industry. And the A350 is a much better, silent, fuel-efficient and more competitive version in the today's world. I would be very very surprised to see Airbus come back, anyhow, to the A380 program. Boeing has a big challenge to make money with the B777X program. I wish them good luck..

[@tong.clement]

Just put the Trent XWB or the 330neo engines on and job done lol

[@heidirabenau511]

Certification is expensive and time consuming.

[@bbbl67]

The A380Plus seems to have new wings, whereas the NEO would have likely had the same old wings, just new engines, right?

[@aqvo4855]

No, the hypothetical NEO would have new wings to. Just like what Airbus did with the A320neo and A330neo

[@johniii8147]

No it wasn't proposed with new wings. Just an addition to the current wing to reduce drag.

[@bbbl67]

@@johniii8147 & @aqvo4855 Well, we got two diametrically opposed answers here.

[@johnchristmas7522]

Never going to happen. The A380 as good as it was for customers was less so for the airlines. My guess, when it finally arrives, will be the 777x and then Emirates will off load all its A380's. Two engines is always more economical that four. What I'd like to see is RR and its Ultra given an option for the 777x, dont think that will happen either.

[@christainmarks106]

I think the issue is nobody else is saying out loud that they need another super jump, except emirates. Nobody is going to make another super jumbo, (Boeing included)…… until enough airlines say they want one

[@CarltonSmithAXAThunder]

why not use the ge nx

[@johniii8147]

Too much thrust for 4 engines and probably too big to fit on 380 and not enough thrust for a two engine design on the 380

[@Tpr_1808]

Why not redesign the wing like they did to the a330neo and use their patent for downward folding wings

[@nickolliver3021]

structure would need to be redesigned hence more cost!

[@Tpr_1808]

@@nickolliver3021 Oh by the way.

[@nickolliver3021]

@@Tpr_1808 BTW what?

[@Tpr_1808]

@@nickolliver3021 I forgot to factor in cost savings as a priority. I thought there wouldn't be a significant difference in figures since they already have a patent

[@nickolliver3021]

@@Tpr_1808 oh okay. But yeh the world is going towards more twins than wanting to stick with quads! More efficient and less costly to maintain

[@eddie918]

I obviously have no clue, but to me, A380s should dominate the busy routes. Big hubs to big hubs connecting London NY Singapore Hong Kong Tokyo Dubai

[@LoriotMops]

I don't understand, why a new engine on an existing plane is such an effort in terms of regulatory approval. Still the solution might be a capital increase in Airbus paid by Emirates (say 1 billion). If the A 380neo program goes through, Emirates owns valuable Airbus stock, whereas if Emirates goes bankrupt, at least Airbus got "paid" partly for the development cost. Both parties profit, if everything runs as planned and both parties don't risk too much, if either party goes bakrupt.

[@johniii8147]

RR was more the issue. They were not going to develop a new engine again for such a low volume aircraft. They have better more profitable things to focus on.

[@JonathanStanley]

A380 wing isn't as efficient as it could be as it had to fit inside the 80m box... so my dream A380neo, would be one that is quad RR Ultrafan, full composite fuselage and wing, with folding (Airbus has patent for downward folding) wingtips, and baseline length of 80m (7m more than the A380ceo-800), unless Tim Clarke/Udvar Hazy can get ICAO to bump the max size box to say 90m long x 80m wide (from 80m square) and make something in the 85m~90m range... oh and the A380neo probably needs a mask as per the A350XWB...

[@eastexotic]

Why isn't it profitable to operate when it moves more people at once? I love A380. I do hope the efficiency is improved and the program continued.

[@shirleytwsw]

Program is dead and buried sorry…and the reason is operating costs it takes 4 pilots and and a cabin crew of about 30-35 plus 4 engines plus all airports can’t accommodate it due to its size it only works for emirates business model airbus lost billions on that program didn’t come close to breaking even on it numbers wise it was a complete failure !

[@r12004rewy]

What a great shame Airbus couldn't have developed the 380 plus or NE0, I think it's only being realised now that there is a place for the 380 but Airbus have closed the door on the type the 350-1000 is a stunning aircraft but nothing will beat the 380 for passenger experience.

[@johniii8147]

It's not a shame. Just not real business case for it given such low volume.

[@r12004rewy]

@@johniii8147 ok that's your view.

[@johniii8147]

@@r12004rewy It's just the reality of the situation.

[@wovkonstudios]

a380 is large a320 😎

[@sharjeelkhan7437]

A380 is the best aircraft in the world. And emirates is the best airline.

[@MrJadeDoel]

Flew my first A380 in Premium Economy a few days ago with Emirates from Dubai to Auckland (16hr flight). I hate to say it but I prefer the 787 😬 I was so excited to fly the A380 but was left feeling extremely dehydrated, my skin and lips were dry to the point of cracking and the windows were so tiny! I was in the aisle seat and couldn't see a thing, where as in the 787 I still had a view and never felt dehydrated.

[@apveening]

Dehydrated is your own doing, you can request drinks anytime and I would recommend non-alcoholic as alcohol has a dehydrating effect. About the windows, you are right, but most of the time there isn't much to see out there anyway. And as far as I am concerned, Boeing planes are annoying noise buckets, I prefer Airbus.

[@lhanegraafls3865]

Guys, this aircraft will never come....It is not fuel sufficient, eather this NEO A380.

[@j700jam4]

Would emirates ever be interested in acquiring some A380’s from the second hand market to meet the current high customer demand that they are experiencing?

[@MW-mn1el]

A380 is best wild body plane from customer points of views.

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

back in 2012 AIRBUS also put forward the A380-900 Neo which was to be a stretched variant of the A380-800 double deck wide body quad jet . . . it'd have featured a world first hybrid aero propulsion, in the interest of better fuel economy & greater range . . . AIRBUS should have never launched the A380-800 in the first place, instead the plane maker could have introduced the stretched A380-900 Neo . . . similar to the A350 program, AIRBUS launched the A350-900 wide body jet instead of the A350-800 . . . which by the way, was the right thing to do . . .

[@sugarkillsall7297]

An EV aircraft will never be more profitable than the fossil free jet engines.

[@erimkaska1]

No no no there is no need to panic because I have a better solution to replace the A380 this plane is already being made by Airbus so it shouldn't be a big problem for them to make it here's the problem Tim Clark wants these A380 NEOS because of the capacity has and because of what it can do for his airline and slot restricted airport the slot restricted airports do need the A380 Neo but here's the problem to do a c-check this plane would be enormous and not cost-effective so here is my proposition what is Airbus takes there a 350 stretches the plane and makes it not a twin-aisle plane but a triple aisle plane that easily can fit more than eight hundred passengers in one cabin class if feasible and done the right way Emirates could have their showers and have 640 seat in this a 350 2000 plain plus it would mean that Emirates airlines would have what they want in a single deck configuration the plane would be using composite materials and it would be much much more because of the composite material because this plane is a single deck plane and you have the wings that fold up like the triple 7x plane does this would be a huge win not only for Airbus but also for Emirates and all the other airlines and plus this plane would not be a quadrant but would be a twinject plane which means that many customers who want high-capacity planes could get this now you could lower down the seating and increase the range so theoretically this plane could fly say for example 20 hours if done right and if you decrease the seat you could get a couple more hours out of this plane the training would be the same as a normal a 350 plus the training would be very minimal on the airplane so the cabin crew would not need huge training it would be little bit of training the cost would be 90% less than operating an A380 and plus you get the same wings as the a350 - 1000 and the Airbus a350 - 900 plus the same runway length that the a350 - 1000 uses which is a really well sold plane now think about the dash 2000 that Airbus could come out with this would be very very fuel-efficient and it could be a replacer for the Airbus A380 and airlines wouldn't have to worry about anything else but they would only be looking at the bottom line is is this plane fuel efficient and yes this plane is fuel-efficient so from my point of view having a triple aisle plane would be very good because you could for example have two in the left three in the middle three in the other middle part of the plate plus you would have two on the right side of the plane now that being said airlines can also be used like a twin jet so you can have three seats on your left 6 seats in the middle three seats on the right which would be also a good thing for the airline's but this is something that maybe airlines like Turkish airlines Malaysian airlines Cathay Pacific airlines at don't like the 380 they could easily get this plane and it could solve all of Emirates airlines issues plus slot restricted airports another big thing is for example Emirates airlines can have their showers while Etihad airlines has their residence suite and apartment suite what do you think about this Airbus a350 - 2000 with three aisle configuration let me know in the comment section below have a good day DJ aviation

[@markwils5042]

Great plane, but the A380 is dead and buried.

[@johniii8147]

Yes. Some just have not accepted that yet and will be yammering on about 15 years from now as they do about the 757. It gets tiresome.

[@TacticaLLR]

I love the A380

[@fleemwings207]

Emirates should just commission Airbus to do a A380Neo. They can pick up all those frames in storage and begin a test programme. Later, after the Neo is certified, Emirates can buy up A380s from airlines that have dumped them and convert them to Neos in addition to their existing aircraft to be converted. I doubt Airbus has much of a business case for new build Neos.

[@achmadosman9807]

It is an unfortunate truth that it would cost less to build new frames from the existing jigs, than the cost of stripping a used jet, examining the parts using advanced tech and then putting them back in the air. The A380 wing spar problem is a small example of micro fractures. Better to build new.

[@roberthowell7095]

Airbus has washed it hands of the a380 and moved on. As suggested their engineers and money are looking towards the future. Unfortunately the a380, like the 747 are in the past. Both are still flying, so enjoy them while you can.

[@johniii8147]

LOL yeah no, that's not how this works.

[@terencereeder9830]

Waste of time video .

[@ianlongden1449]

Unfortunately, I have to agree. There was no point to this video, no story. A380neo vs A380plus - Emirates Fleet Decision: There is no decision to be made.

[@GlobalTossPot]

Anything that grabs views isn’t a waste. Someone could be farting into a megaphone as long as it gets views it’s not wasteful to the creator

[@DarrenChilvers]

Yes to A380neo

[@Emi_LDA]

I think they should’ve ordered the 747-8

[@ThatBoeing747Guy]

If Clark didn’t want the PLUS then, why does he want one now?

[@johniii8147]

They wanted the NEO not the Plus.

[@apveening]

@@johniii8147 But they wouldn't have said no to a combination of NEO and Plus.

[@johniii8147]

@@apveening Wasn't really up to EK to decide. RR and Airbus were not going to invest for so few sales to one carrier. EK wasn't as important to either of their investment decisions at they tried to negotiate.

[@4evertrue830]

Perhaps the new A380 neo engines, if it is considered will incorporate a different type of avaition fuel which is cheaper than that being used today. That should be taken into consideration by the engine manufacturers to solve the A380 issue.

[@johniii8147]

Too low volume for engine makers to be interested to invest the billions it would have taken. They already got burned on the first version so just were not interested.

[@propman3523]

This plane is a money loser in any configuration, regardless of what the European champions might tell you. Boeing took the smarter track with the 787, and the the financial statements will provide the winner.

[@tonyrod4388]

This dude sounds like he is babbling, instead of speaking...

[@prasenjittripura4691]

they should totally abandon A380…its totally failed project without future…nly airbus FANBOI channel n their followers boasting this white elephant too much😂😂😂

[@ViktorFromDK]

Or maybe its just that he looks at what interest there has been just like he has done on a lot of Boeing and Airbus planes and ideas.

[@GlobalTossPot]

Question is, if you think this is an Airbus fan channel why are you even here getting upset? If you’re so bothered by opinions on this channel just simply follow someone else. No one is holding a gun to your head.

[@anastassiosperakis2869]

RIDICULOUS. 8 min video and not one SECOND to see the interior!

[@ThorAU]

Personally size wise I think they should redesign the 747 with the NEO and more seating on the top deck. If height clearance is an issue with the engines, then redesign the landing gear. A lot of companies are needing large capacity planes for certain routes, and Im sure this plane would sell. They also need to make sure it can be utilised and sold on as a freighter.

[@paulbarnett227]

There was a freighter option for the A380 known as the A380F - they didn't sell a single one.

[@ThorAU]

@paulbarnett227 I never knew that Paul. I'm not technically minded, but I cant understand why they can't turn the A380 into a freighter.

[@paulbarnett227]

@@ThorAU They kind of did but nobody wanted it.

[@johniii8147]

Just accept the era is over for the type.

[@apveening]

@@ThorAU The problem is the floor strength, the floor is strong enough for passengers but not for cargo (weight does matter in planes). And that floor is an integral part of the structure of the plane, so converting a passenger plane into a cargo plane is not that easy as it is for a B747.