Glock Hydraulic Guide Rod and Spring by Angstadt

James Reeves chats with Rich Angstadt of Angstadt Arms about one of his newest products, the Glock hydraulic recoil spring and buffer. Said to significantly reduce Glock pistol recoil without compromising reliability, will this accessory be everything promised? Watch this video and tell us what you think in the comments.
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[@Two-Buck-Chuck]

We all know James was immediately interested when Rich said “James I got a rod to show you”. It dampens the energy from Glock rod sliding back and forth. It’s a shake weight for your Glock!

[@a1racer441]

Well he does wear the short shorts and shots glocks.

[@karlmadsen3179]

Shake weight......with laser!? No. Just the shake.

[@deangullberry5148]

Does that make one of those thumb rest things like a tone tugger?

[@Bill308A10]

He got on his knees and made the sound Glock Glock Glock Glock

[@johnjakejoebob9465]

The end transition always cracks me up. I just imagine the cameraman is a mannequin that just fell over.

[@fredk97]

Its like a death animation from a battlefield game

[@christiangagnere5177]

😂

[@AC-bl1rl]

Pushing limits is what gave us everything we have today. Whether I buy and I use a part like this is one thing, but I love that people have ideas and push boundaries. JMB and others moving from revolvers to pistols, etc. Plenty of crap was said and written about the first AR's and M-16, and look where we are now. Tons of us loving 1911's and AR's, and look how they run compared to their early days.

[@boboso7238]

Kind of like mounting RMR on pistols. 12 years ago everyone thought you were crazy and it should be left for competition shooters only. 😂. You don’t know until you try and if no one takes chances then nothing moves forward.

[@Quasarnova1]

For anyone who is curious, engineering models are usually simplified as spring-mass-damper systems, where the spring's force correlates to the distance it is compressed, the mass's force correlates to its acceleration, and the damper's force correlates to its velocity. Most guns only have a mass (bolt/slide) and spring (main spring), but not a damper (there is some slight damping from air, but its pretty negligible). So a damper would definitely have an effect on how it feels. That being said, the total recoil energy is still the same, and whether or not that difference in feel is worth $200 is another question entirely.

[@atomicsmith]

Hydraulically dampened with snake oil. Sounds amazing.

[@StewieStew820]

Works dang good for B&T, interesting to see how it translates to a handgun.

[@AmbuBadger]

I feel like if this were really revolutionary and effective, someone would've done it by now...

[@MrBlahblahblee]

@@AmbuBadger Not necessarily. There has been a significant increase in the aftermarket support for a lot of the firearms industry in these recent years. For example the AR-9 has been around for several decades, yet the aftermarket support for the AR-9 platform has only recent begun seeing a lot of new tech such as similar hydraulic buffers.

[@AmbuBadger]

@@MrBlahblahblee I've wondered that myself, being a guy who loves them and built a half dozen (especially love the Colt mag format)-- but pistol recoil mitigation has always been a selling point since day one, and if a hydraulic buffer really worked that well, I think we'd have seen it already. Look at the Walther PPK/s, blowback and notoriously hard to rack for a small pistol. The over-engineering Germans, of all people, certainly would've done a hydraulic system in their pistols if it worked and allowed them to do away with heavy springs (at least you'd think so). I can see cost being a factor (hence plastic Glock recoil guide rods!), but I still don't see this system in Dan Wesson or CZ Pro Shop builds. You'd think if there was something new to offer in order to extract money from us, we'd have seen it! Or who knows, maybe this is that attempt 😂 Edit: I don't know where your _Goodfellas_ Joe Pesci quote went, I was looking forward to that. Good movie.

[@snowman3219]

Boy “O” Boy the hater’s are going to have a field day with this. Now they will have something to crap on other than the EC Tuner. Cheers 🍻

[@M8Military]

We'll see how the reviews shake out a year after release

[@0devast8r0]

yes full production products are different from initial phase testing products

[@rtz549]

Didn't say how much difference it's going to make.

[@AhHereWeGo]

Probably minimal

[@ericniemann8338]

$200 worth, apparently. 😏

[@22640cal]

Much like 99% of the gun gadgets…… it won’t make a difference

[@eXdXgXe4life]

Did we watch the same video? He said they're still testing and will publish the data later.

[@A_Qwynide]

He said they will release the data after final testing

[@hartsickdisciple]

I've never shot a 9mm pistol and thought "man, if only I had a hydraulic guide rod to tame all that recoil."

[@EZPCTECH]

I've never shot any caliber pistol and thought "So good that it has a recoil, thank God guns have it"

[@EntryLevelLuxury]

but think of the women! Could also be developed for larger calibers.

[@EZPCTECH]

@@EntryLevelLuxury or old people

[@shiftycaponeixi1]

Would be really good for the 10mm and .45's though

[@OlDirtyBandit]

@hartsickdisciple maybe we can all grow up and be as strong as you someday

[@michaelwhite9199]

TFBtv Show Time did a good job this year at SHOT.

[@sleepingbee8997]

If this actually works and genuinely reduces felt recoil by a substantial amount, I could see it being a gamechanger, and standard on all guns in 10 years, kinda like optic cuts are, and the swappable stationary topstraps on the Laugo Alien will be. If. Big IF. And it can’t be subjective, it’s gotta be an instant noticeable reduction.

[@SneakyB]

Coincidentally, Laugo Alien also has a small hydraulic buffer in the beavertail.

[@a1racer441]

Yeah it would have to be substantially different for me to consider 180 bucks on a guide rod.

[@SneakyB]

@@a1racer441 from a competitive standpoint, 200 bucks would be a drop of a bucket when chasing marginal gains. The polymer handgun has to compete against heavier steel framed guns so I reckon every bit of recoil management would matter.

[@adama1294]

In high competition, a small benefit can be the difference of not placing and winning 1st place. I would be willing to try it.

[@YourMiddleBroPhil]

​@@a1racer441shoot, machine guns like the 240 have had hydraulic buffers for years.

[@_JimS]

Great idea, about time someone did this. Hope it catches on to more makes.

[@RepentorPerish77]

The tungsten guide rod really made a difference in my 43X so I might have to try this in my G45

[@michaelclausen9331]

If they make one for the G20 I might be interested, the 10mm could use this.

[@Gieszkanne]

Yes with the 10mm I see the only chance where you could feel a difference.

[@US2A]

Have you tried the dpm? It helps

[@ayodemayo]

because its only that much more recoil than a 9.. 9mm doesnt need this the results would be negligable

[@Romanus-]

@@US2Awhat’s the DPM?

[@theman21030]

My oem Springs work phenomenal.

[@dodgersfnshepard8673]

I've been waiting for so long

[@zoofergee]

But will it work when u put a switch on it?

[@ShootAUT]

Mechanically, that thing needs to gradually slow the slide down before it hits its furthest rearward travel point, while still letting it maintain enough momentum to actually reach that point in order to reliably extract the empty shell and pick up a new round. Sounds quite tricky to achieve on a gun that's not designed for that thing.

[@Veldtian1]

Yeah cos it has to be tuned to compress at the same rate as the standard coil spring, so how can it "absorb" any energy more then the standard spring can/does/must do in order for reliable cycling..? Is it doing the same job just using more $$$

[@heyhayhay247]

@@Veldtian1 Not necessarily. It needs to travel the same distance, but it doesn't have to take the same amount of time. You also have a pretty large window of error from Glock to tolerate garbage tear steel case and people who neglect to clean their guns. This may not be as forgiving as the factory spring, but people who run steel case and don't clean their guns probably can't afford this.

[@titter3648]

You can see that the travel of the hydraulic part is pretty short. So maybe they designed it so that it will travel far enough back to pick up another round on the spring section alone so the hydraulic section is only to dampen the slide at the end of the travel, but that if it is too stiff because the hydraulic fluid is too cold it will still cycle because the spring travel is enough for it to cycle. Just some speculation on my part, but one thing is for sure and that is the hydraulic buffer will not work when it is very cold because all oils that can be used in a system like this will significantly change viscosity with temperature.

[@garysarratt1]

@@titter3648 Hydraulic machinery is used in all temperature extremes, every day, and has been for decades. “Too cold”?

[@JohnZ556]

I'm not sure how much difference it would make, considering this thing takes away length from the recoil spring. Really looks to be closer to a dual-spring situation instead of a hydraulic buffer in the end of a receiver.

[@paowerhouse92]

Would have liked to have seen this mod demonstrated on the range vs the standard Glock guide rod.

[@whousa642]

It is nonsense

[@bmstylee]

So it's an almost $200 solution looking for a problem. Good. Got it. Moving it along.

[@Smarterthanyou-mthrfkr]

Yep, buy ammo.

[@carpenoctem5421]

Glonk Perfection

[@chrisbeard9113]

There’s a similar recoil system for a 1911 460 Rowland, it runs bro. These would be good for hotter ammunition in a small gun. They don’t do anything when you cycle the slide by hand, but when firing it works on fluid compression of the air, and makes softer recoil the hotter the ammunition.

[@JGcd001]

Do they make one for the FNX 45 460 Rowland? Asking for a friend 😉

[@CAPTIVEPULSEMAKER]

@@JGcd001 I've made them but they're not in production.

[@CAPTIVEPULSEMAKER]

Those are V2 Damper Motors. They are called Captive Pulse Dampers and they were part of the concept carbine project that used the first integrated automatic reset trigger prior to the production of FRT/WOT/Alamo type triggers.

[@WaterZer0]

Could not have less confidence in a company than I do with Angstadt.

[@2010GT500]

Brutal

[@AmazonBasicsSpeculum-uc7ki]

Why? Real curiosity, ive not heard anything about them

[@JohnQuickWick]

Why's that?

[@davidgraflex2065]

The md-9 was a $3000 pcc dumbster fire

[@1nfamyX]

​@@davidgraflex2065 thx for the input. I also dont remember anything about them aside the name. I think the rod is cool but its like trying to sell a space elevator. Interesting concept but if it costs trillions, no ones gonna have it.

[@thiagomonteiro-up3mu]

Although this was conceived years ago in Brazil for many pistols and even AR's, you're doing great with this one too, keep up the good work

[@Zach_D]

Damn thing costs as much as a maverick 88

[@kotm1]

Here's the fun part you know that maverick will work 100% , this gimmick buffer meh, I dont think so

[@Zach_D]

@@kotm1 You're right man. Could also get the Radian Ramjet and Afterburner instead of this guide rod.

[@theshapeexists]

People changing out guide rods on Glocks crack me up. Let's take a gun that runs 100% out of the box and make it not do that anymore. We'll call it "enhanced performance." I'll leave my Glocks alone and buy more guns and ammo instead of this

[@m.w.2401]

@@theshapeexists Lol, you've clearly never changed a single part on a Glock, also lol at all the people thinking Factory Glock is the most reliable handgun. Thinking that just shows lack of knowledge and experience. Glock are ok guns but wildly overrated , I've owned and shot just about every model except for the 357 sig ones, there are plenty of pistols just as reliable or more so. None of the Glocks I've owned can touch the reliability and accuracy of a decent 2011. The only thing Glock has going for it is a strong marketing campaign

[@theshapeexists]

@@m.w.2401 I've got a gen 1 p80, 17, 2 19s, a 20, 21, 22, 23, 26, 27 and a 29. I change my sights and that's it. I've never had any ftf or fte in over 30 years of shooting all ammo, from the wimpiest to the +p+ grenades in every glock I own. I don't fix what's not broken. Instead I train and buy a lot of ammo and shoot it. I guarantee I can run a stock Glock better than most glick owners. Instead of messing with a gun that literally has worked 100% in every model I've owned is proof I don't need to change jack sh!t. Lack of knowledge and experience huh? Cool. I shoot every Friday, and have for the past 18 or so years. And Glocks aren't even my favorite. I like Walthers and m&ps more. I can just shoot Glocks as good as anything else.

[@predragdjuric-tt9uc]

a great neat very interesting video and product Mr.James.have a good one.

[@rickrobinson8417]

Looking forward to seeing it tested

[@1014p]

So the next step from DPM Precision 3 spring system. I stand by them. This hydraulic variation might be smoother performance yet.

[@ScrotalSands]

Interesting concept. Look forward to see it used in an IV8888 meltdown video, see how it compares to other guide rods in the most extreme circumstances.

[@_DST0NE_]

I’ve been using DPM recoil systems in all of my pistols for years. They’re awesome once you get the spring weight dialed in. I’m sure this will be a good system too.

[@arthurribeiro9076]

In Brazil there is a version of the hydraulic guide rod for the 1911 platform, but i dont know if its in large scale prodution.

[@klaymoon1]

I like it!

[@C-M-E]

I like the thinking and appreciate the out-of-the-box approach, but I don't see that being any more effective than a progressive spring package with which it has to compete for 4x the price.

[@thomaswilson8022]

Wonder how well this would work for a Franklin arms slide, when they make one for the 17 that is

[@tuufast23]

Hilarious interview keep up the good work sir

[@Thisthat1234]

I’m here for any and all gun innovation!

[@dirtdiggity1714]

No way I could have said 'guaranteed for life' with a straight face. Impressive.

[@vinny9152]

Maybe that's the main benefit of adding hydraulic damping. Spring doesn't have to take all that energy so it lasts a "lifetime". Just my two cents.

[@repentnow1720]

(Mechanical Engineer here) So, a tiny MacPherson Strut - interesting. : )

[@MattWaller04]

I mean basically

[@vinny9152]

not even that, it's just a good ol coilover shock absorber.

[@stevegiron8825]

I have the Kynshot hydraulic buffer on my PCC. It works. I bet this does provide some energy absorption, but enough to justify the price ?

[@0devast8r0]

they should try shooting hydraulic guide rod for 460 Rowland without muzzle brake.

[@timrobinson6573]

It's about time someone made Glocks reliable.

[@forkthepork]

🤣

[@jimh472]

Obvious troll is obvious

[@srtallday3655]

Make one for the 17 gen 3 and I'll buy it if it works

[@MapleHillMunitions]

I do enjoy their products. The little 9mm pccs work well.

[@thedownwardmachine]

I could see this doing well on a compact or subcompact, where muzzle flip is exacerbated

[@US2A]

Do the hydraulic ar ones work? I use dpm on my glocks and love em.

[@kellymorris5984]

I had one like it for my CZ-75. Got it from a gun shop in Germany. Will you make one for modern CZ-75's?

[@chicorodriguez3964]

I would love to check one out on my custom 34 but it would have to make a big difference for me to run one of these at the price

[@NiMi93]

The same company that tried to sell us a $3000 PCC that would jam, after they had several years to delay that project so it could be 'perfected'

[@ClintonFD]

Hopefully this brings the same advantages as hydraulic buffers in PCCs.

[@QuestionTree]

I can only imagine how hot that tube is gonna get after hundreds of rounds.

[@actraveler8309]

The physics seem sound using a damper vs spring although being that small, I’m curious how effective it will be in minimizing the shock impulse. Cycling on a low acceleration linear actuator is not the same as shooting a round. Real use case would be more of an ALT. Also, curious if we would have fluid leaking out our guns if the seals failed.

[@jamesfoxx6650]

If you guys make it for the G21 gen 5 ill get one for sure

[@TheManDownstairs13]

An ingenious solution to a problem that does not exist.

[@Siafu66]

Kyn-shot likely made this device for Angsadt.

[@TheRealLifeNPC]

I'm not convinced it's better than the dpm but glad to see it.

[@byronh77]

So it won’t be available till Christmas……..and what’s the difference between the the DPM recoil reduction guide rod versus what this product will do?

[@jacobstaten2366]

By the time they do a review on these, I will have forgotten it existed for a while.

[@z.9780]

would it be possible to have gas and baffles (because gas compresses) so it could be a light spring moving slowly (racking the slide) but have greater spring force when moved quickly (shooting)

[@kristapsziemelis]

If I remember correctly hydraulic system was on HK test example many decades ago. Interesting what would be temperature range and how it would feel under hot barrel ..?!

[@johnclark7910]

Will it work with the ramjet/afterburner combo?

[@VworksArt]

I wanna try

[@lililililililili8667]

Make a version with an adjustable dampening valve so you can dial in the recoil feel and give people with spicy backplates the ability to slow things down a bit.

[@LilYeshua]

I got the stainless steel Wolf recoil spring.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I use Glock Store. I have 3 Stainless Steel versions. My Glock 41 .45acp used, Glock 22 used, new Glock 26 gen 5 9mm. The guide rods work well. No hassles.

[@theVolunteer24]

… is that James with the flowing locks on the poster behind them?

[@redeye8526]

for $185 you could get a threaded TIN coated barrel and a compensator instead that would smooth that action up and decrease recoil way better

[@hammettsean2]

You are probably correct, BUT...and it is a big but, if it works, you should have less muzzle flash and blast.

[@shekelwarlocke]

just to pay devil's advocate: that threaded barrel and compensator also make the gun bigger

[@westcoastwarriorsarchive7929]

and are illegal in some shithole states like washington. @@shekelwarlocke

[@adama1294]

I would like to see scientific numbers on reduction. It could be worth it and he is right about Hydraulics being hard to manufacture compared to a rod.

[@bertraminc9412]

Try taking the shocks out of your car. Might be a little harsh with just springs. Hk did it in their P7K3. It will work and will work well.

[@nionology]

I'm curious how temperature will affect the hydraulic fluid since it sits right beneath the barrel. I have a feeling consistency will suffer.

[@john-mf1qm]

Need one for my G41, G21, and G30

[@fernandofranco663]

How would that compare to a dual-coil rod with different tension levels is what I would like to know.

[@bracoop2]

Are we gonna get any info that shows what it does to recoil?

[@runNgun88]

I want to see this in action.

[@alexskillz45]

If this works anything like a DPM guide rod, they will be great for large frame glocks, but DPMs are $85. I use one in a G30S yo shoot 45super, but I have noticed that people have cycling issues with braced chadsis with large frames. The slide velocity moves too fast when they are braced. The DPM acts like a buffer that slows the slide and makes yhem reliable in the chassis. This should probably work similar for that.

[@redteam9881]

Glock Store Pure Tungsten Guide Rod for my G20 and G21

[@JohnDoe-ss2nn]

I wonder how well this will stack against DPM systems multi spring guide rods.

[@jasont80]

How is hydraulic dampening different from spring dampening?

[@LTTUSA]

Dis gunna make my glock switch be hittin more akkrit?

[@MrBlahblahblee]

Da glawkk witta sweetch???

[@LTTUSA]

@@MrBlahblahblee yo bro you be spellin is messd up. It called a switch

[@EchoSigma6]

If this works out and the reviews are good then I’ll give it a try.

[@DMS1791]

I’d be interested in one for a G34

[@triggerbarPhD]

Similar to spring co?

[@jamesbladen9904]

I want one

[@embracethesuck1041]

Which one lasts longer?

[@nvhs1]

how is this different than the dpm systems?

[@BehindTheGoldenCurtain]

I'll take 4 of em.

[@skull_kids5723]

The fact this was produced is hilarious. Ceramic-bearing triggers when.

[@mdredheadguy1979]

Now if only they'd make a version of this for the Glock 21. The full sized .45acp!

[@kaliss7192]

Spring and stick has never let me down. No need to reinvent the wheel.

[@AlexPasibi-pw9kh]

Wow , great accessory sir! Its like glock on an offroad suspension😂

[@landnnut]

Show high speed camera footage of the muzzle rise on a graduated chart in the background when test firing the pistol with your guide rod installed vs an unmodified pistol. If the muzzle flip is significantly reduced I might be willing to give this another look.

[@blessedbaphomet]

A good idea, just keep in mind that you'll then have to trust the shooter to not let a conscious or subconscious bias affect the shots/data.

[@landnnut]

@@blessedbaphomet Yeah I forgot to specify using a Ransom Rest and multiple shooters. And it should be a blind test with both pistols appearing identical or the muzzle area being concealed with tape or something.

[@beermonkey9424]

For what gen glock?

[@eddiehartman5355]

Need them for m&p 2.0 and p320

[@TheSkeptic000]

I want this on my 509

[@grantwagner684]

Less perceived recoil? I gotta be aware of the recoil change or is it automatically less recoil?

[@marcosmota1094]

Make the piston rod thicker. The external sealing surface will be larger and will seal better. Also, lesser chance of breaking.

[@curly_]

i waqnt a video on this

[@JaceGGD]

I wonder how this works with suppressed 19s going back into battery properly.

[@knighthawk6633]

Where is the Walther P99? It’s the only striker fire DA/SA.

[@mghegotagun]

"A little bit more"? My brother in christ I thought I was getting robbed paying ~80 dollars for DPM's offering. I just want to reduce the damage a slide does to a P80 frame.

[@hestongraves3274]

How do you like the DPM? Worth it?

[@mghegotagun]

@@hestongraves3274 I stick to the lighter spring. Can't tell much of a recoil difference between it and oem, though some claim it makes follow up shots faster, I need to push my own limits to see that. The primary reason I bought it was to reduce the damage my slide does to the P80 frame, so it at least does that while maintaining function. I had one stovepipe with the heavier spring with defensive ammo at the range. Don't know if that was a fluke. I stick to the lighter spring to be safe.

[@i.p.outdoors3825]

Is the hydraulic serviceable?

[@1nfamyX]

Its cool, i like the implementation of hydraulics into more things. If the tech aint there to make it marketable tho, then youre kinda better off going a different route. You could make the best gun tomorrow, could be precise and deadly to 10km, but if it costs 1 million dollars and every round is 50k, nobody is gonna own it. There have been many guns that were simply to expensive to produce & have become museum pieces instead as consequence.

[@attakconsulting]

Does it slow down cycling????

[@newpeupyoass]

Is this like the USPs reduced recoil system?