New audio adds twist to Menendez brothers case

[@billiebuffalo]

"Why didnt they just run away?" The dumbest, most ignorant response ever. Why dont abused housewives simply leave? Why dont they get a divorce? BECAUSE YEARS OF PSYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE TRAINS THEM NOT TO. IT'S BRAINWASHING VICTIMS TO BELIEVE THERE IS NO PLACE TO RUN, THAT THEY CANT SURVIVE WITHOUT THEIR ABUSERS. Victim blaming is alive and well.

[@elizabird6516]

Exactly

[@WeirdDensity]

This has a name and it’s a crime in Britain: “Coercive Control”

[@Carousel5883]

Abused wives I understand due to children, financial dependence and battered woman syndrome..but these two because they were young men who are from rich families and from Bel Air and a lot of young men would leave . I don't think it's ignorant but common thinking...But I do understand after watching several documentaries that it was PTSD and the honest but unreasonable belief..of self defense

[@clairemarg1211]

@@Carousel5883there is no “but”

[@pandasanding7036]

@@Carousel5883just because they are men, doesn’t mean they have to act differently to women in this kind of situation We aren’t them so we can’t possibly ever know what happened and why they chose violence I don’t think they are lying and believe the only way to be free was to kill parents as harsh as it is It’s horrifically harsh what they had to endure at the hands of their “parents”

[@LightningClaireFarron390]

ONE OF THE MENUDO members (a famous Puerto Rican band) claims he was sexually assaulted by the Menendez FATHER! Like come on, they really need to reopen the case and reduce their sentence!

[@LightningClaireFarron390]

@@JohnDoe-mm7cy People have kept dark secrets hidden for longer than that; a significant factor could be the overwhelming feeling of shame associated with experiencing them… and some people take these secrets to their grave..it’s different for everyone, doesn’t mean because you would do things differently that others should do the same.

[@Tech-Corner2023]

@@JohnDoe-mm7cy why surprised and suspicious?? sexual abuse victims always hide it for a long time because of the circumstances and because of threats, because of taboos and getting blamed?!?

[@beeb8293]

@@JohnDoe-mm7cy He was a child basically and probably didn't understand the impact that would have had, on their sentencing and especially with so much against them at the time. Like LCFarron said, some people takes such secrets to the grave..He was probably eaten up inside over it all his life.

[@beeb8293]

@@JohnDoe-mm7cyWell I don't know when it would or wouldn't be the right time for him. Guess you need to ask him. Is it that you don't believe him?

[@No-qn8jr]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@JohnDoe-mm7cy Because it’s not easy to put yourself out there and tell your darkest trauma to the world. That’s why lots of victims have kept their experience a secret, he isn’t the first to come out about it later in life and he won’t be the last, sadly.

[@pearlmajorr]

There is so much evidence to prove they weren't lying, I feel so sorry for them.

[@judeawilliams4458]

There was and is no evidence of their abuse... it just sounds good for their possibility of parole. But i will say 30 plus years is a long time behind bars. Time served, free them

[@bec6384]

@@judeawilliams4458there were several family members that described the same abuse.

[@aidafaupl4733]

@@judeawilliams4458I’m sorry but you are in denial at this point..,there was a lot of evidence of SA….more then any other successful case of SA had…so please..stop this…

[@ZiKaz00123]

At this point take a lie detector test. 1 ? Did you kill your parents.2? Were you molested? The renewed craze behind this case is insane.

[@excaliber8713]

@@aidafaupl4733 not much evidence proving they were abused . But it is evidence proving they were guilty ! Lyle saying he can cry on cue . Eric writing a script about killing his parents for money

[@Terri1373]

I watched the documentary today. I dont think they were faking those tears. I think they should be free now.

[@educatedguess5093]

they took acting lessons, and "forgot" to mention that in the doc. Did they also mention that they wrote a screen play on the subject prior to the murders? They made up the abuse excuse because their lawyer got someone else off with it

[@GermanicJennifer]

@@educatedguess5093so anyone who takes acting lessons and has suffered sexual abuse is incapable of displaying real emotions is that what you’re implying? 🙄

[@Rosewhitlley]

⁠@@educatedguess5093oh and I guess evidence means nothing now! Like the letters erik sent to his cousin when he was 10, the s3xual photos their dad took when they were so young? The family members that came forward saying that they believed that Jose would do such a thing!

[@malegi29]

Don’t forget the 911 phone audio where they are crying and screaming someone killed their parents.

[@dayan9500]

@@educatedguess5093 and the Kids from Menudo also were acting? one of the kids kill himself btw

[@jashley777]

They should have been sent to a psychiatric hospital for help - not to jail. Set them free!

[@latreasemurray8125]

Ohhhh of course

[@kundun5]

God you’re gullible! Please stick to analyzing life through tik to,s! God I don’t know how your generation survives in this world! These cons were obviously guilty! These were grown ass men mooching off their parents and felt entitled to that access to privilege… Erik was obviously gay… if you knew any Latinos from that era you’d know why the father was so hard on him… there aren’t enough words to convey my anger at you dupes!

[@doclabo]

​@@kundun5 Latin culture “from that era” did not include parents molesting or raping their kids. You need help!

[@kundun5]

@@doclabo they didn’t hats my point, you dunce! How do you believe these charlatans? Are you even,Latino? Get a life!

[@EricSanchez]

@@kundun5you’re sick in the head

[@gypsyjengypsydogs9320]

I never doubted that they were abused. It was the 80s, though. Lots and lots of battered and abused people are still in prison for killing their abusers.

[@ColinZiemer1]

Releasing them sets a dangerous precedent

[@BearingMySeoul]

@@ColinZiemer1 Well with the Me Too movement, prosecution of various Catholic priests, and Puffy recently getting arrested, hopefully young men will know that their abuse is more likely to be taken seriously and believed then it would have been in the 1980s when this occured. Young people are more likely to speak up and seek help than back then. That said, don't SA or poision your kids (#GypsyRose) if you don't want to get killed?

[@Dani-lc9hq]

​@@ColinZiemer1protecting pedophiles does too. The brothers are no danger to society, they already served time, they just didn't have to get a full life sentece without parole.

[@educatedguess5093]

Name them, please. I challenge you

[@larrybruce4856]

"Rape" and incest among boys was not thought of at that time. If Erik and Lyle were young girls, their claims would have been taken seriously. They were branded as spoiled rich brats and over the years it has become apparent even some family members and friends, including a letter to a cousin suspected something strange and unusual going on in that family. God Bless Erik and Lyle for being strong over the years.

[@moonstar1049]

How is it that Casey Anthony is free but these Men aren’t?? The system is sooooo damaged !!

[@MEC_2]

And Gypsy Rose Blanchard!! She was abused by her Mom as well. She was given leniency for that factor. I think those boys should as well.

[@vnewen2157]

⁠@@MEC_2wtf? Gypsy Rose was a victim of lifelong abuse as a child, which has been well verified and documented (her mom shopping g her to doctors when they became suspicious, literally getting fixing a tube and putting her child in a wheelchair when it was subsequently very easily verifiable that she had no medical condition at all. Don’t even try to compare that to Casey Anthony

[@michelleklotz2245]

A good lawyer named Jose Baez.

[@alexcanning5383]

@@MEC_2gypsy is also a victim and didn’t commit the act herself

[@TonySuperano]

@@alexcanning5383she asked somebody to, exact same as doing it

[@brittany3702]

Why did Gypsy Rose get released and is now a “celebrity” and these two are still in prison? I think it’s time they are set free and get an opportunity to have a life. Sad.

[@WeirdDensity]

Because she’s a millennial woman and they are GenX men. One has a much higher social value than the other

[@joanna7350]

Gypsy is the liar too. She lies like a rug.

[@Thiyumi03]

@@WeirdDensity they aren’t genz

[@lv4077]

Your perspective is sad.These two murderers should never be released but if they are I hope they move in right next to you

[@momplaygroupfouz4946]

Why does Israel get to portray themselves as victims when they have the bombs and are the bullies?

[@nnajiugochukwu3810]

Its really simple, ppl didn't understand mental health in relation to trauma, & those days it was a general view that no matter what one's parents do they're "still your parents", not to mention that ppl still think guys can't be molested....

[@blueblack3591]

Literally a guy in the trial said boys cant get raped

[@michelleclarke8500]

Oh? Does luxurious shopping spree, travels, buying Rolex watches, buying businesses, hiring a full time tennis coach after the murder part of mental health too? And about being molested, do you even stop to think that saying they were sexually molested were nothing but a walk in the park after they murdered their parents?

[@ayoutubegirl5933]

You have to put yourself in their shoes. They were young adults, finally free of their parents tournament. Plus back then, or even now even though mental health is talked about so much, i dont think it crossed their mind to seek professional help. they did what thwy thought would help them move on. ​@michelleclarke8500

[@ayoutubegirl5933]

The fact that the mom was in on it too is so disturbing. 2 adults making children just to torchure them for their benefit. Sick!

[@jj-if6it]

@@michelleclarke8500 the shopping spree was irrelevant IMO

[@jujubees711]

We're so much more aware now about trauma of child sex abuse and talking about it. We didn't talk about it back then. The system failed these young men, and then punished them for it. I hope justice is finally served and they are free for paying the price of the abuse of their father.

[@elizabird6516]

I watched the trial back then and believed the brothers. I felt so sorry for the trauma they went through, never thought they deserved life in prison.

[@AgingStudent]

We absolutely did talk about it . But systems of power did not support victims

[@ScarlettOHara-zn8dn]

Rapists get max to max 15 years in prison and the one who killed the rapists get life? Wow. What a world

[@iamahorsenut7541]

Yes it's all so crazy😢

[@heidiperez1387]

Set them FREE! They have been abused their entire life!

[@ViSi-q9t]

Let them go live with you!

[@l.k.1111]

Murder is murder. They should still be there. But not death penalty.

[@princesssmileyface91]

@@l.k.1111they’ve been there long enough, Gypsy Rose literally was let go, why can’t them? Her mother’s death was just as if not worse.

[@jamesjenkins4655]

@@l.k.1111 Legally, the question is not whether they killed them, but whether it is manslaughter or murder. The whole idea of saying it's manslaughter is the point of: "Could Sexual Abuse cause a reasonable person to snap and kill their abuser?" And the answer to that is yes. Then, its up to them to prove they were abused, and if they were, the charge should be manslaughter, not murder. It's the same idea if someone constantly antagonizes you at a bar, and you guys get in a fight and you end up killing him in the fight, it is legally manslaughter, not murder. The question was never if they did it, the question was, were they abused.

[@l.k.1111]

@@jamesjenkins4655 Murder is murder. Taking another's life is still killing.

[@miryamishot]

People will be so angry if they are not set free. This is horrific. Not setting them free will be sending the wrong message to victims of abuse.

[@AlidoesArt]

Shoulda went to the cops instead

[@xbtx6497]

The world doesn't really care about victims of abuse.

[@KunoichiZel]

@@AlidoesArtyes becuz going to the cops back in the day and telling them my rich very known parents are physically abusing me and sexually abusive me would have made a difference

[@danielnight5057]

​@@AlidoesArt could you imagine how scary would it be to say something like that to the cops and chances are not believed?

[@Kanoog]

I'm already angry toey were sentence to life.

[@mahuexvii]

The behaviour of all those grown ass adults in the 80s and 90s is so disappointing. Make this right.

[@traceysanders293]

Yes! This!

[@educatedguess5093]

Yes, you're right, these were two grown men who never learned to stand on their own two feet, and killed their parents once they found out they were out of the will for being idiots

[@AdeMarMatinian]

Expect disappointing behavior of "grown ass adults" in perpetuity. Nothing unique about the 1980s/1990s.

[@Lexi2015-f]

The fact that even Jose sisters said on trial he always was violent and rude with his kids, says everything. 52 testimonies on trial and all of them said they saw how Jose and Kitty were always crazy and violent not only with their own kids. Everybody knew how awful was that life for the brothers, but everybody was scared of the parents. The parents were extremely rich and powerful, not much you could do to them. The final straw was definitely the fact that José changed his mind when Erik was 18 and told him he couldn't leave for college like Lyle did and he had to stay home (which we all know why), that's when it all came crumbling down that was Erik's last hope of leaving it behind, that was what started him telling Lyle the ab*se was still going on, that's when they had that last big fight with the parent where the mom admitted to knowing and not caring and a few days later they k*lled them. People thinking the brothers could run away or go to the cops back in the 90s are absurd, the dad had powerful people and lots of resources to prevent him going down

[@Randy218_]

They have been in prison since the day they have been born. It's time for them to have freedom for once in their life

[@JoeM-z9q]

Even the day before they were born was spent in a prison like womb

[@janjr165]

The same can be said of many people in prison. Should we let them all go free? 🤔

[@Randy218_]

@@janjr165 The fact you would equate their situation to other prisoners who are in there due to basically bad parenting is pathetic

[@greg6122]

@Randy218_ Your bleeding all over the place, stop defending these entitled a-holes!

[@Randy218_]

@@greg6122 Look who's talking! 😂 You act like you knew the parents l personally. Like there were multiple accounts supporting their claims abuse and even family members have come showing their support for them. Like it's not that hard to Google, which is free btw and actually do some research of your own, instead of just going off of what you see with that surface level kind of thinking.

[@HelloKitty-sp8ux]

The father being a music / entertainment executive is likely THE real monster, we've heard all the stories about the entertainment industry. It makes sense

[@wb6266]

the father literally corroborated with and enjoyed being close "pals" with Edgardo Diaz who basically ran a pedophile ring under the guise of the music group Menudo. Edgardo Diaz is also someone else LA county wants to ignore. But I bet if they arrested him and gave him a plea deal in exchange for evidence about Jose Menendez, he might do it. He must have so much hidden knowledge about how sick Jose Menendez was, since apparently they liked molesting boys TOGETHER.

[@21chch]

That’s the joke. The parents were the ‘Monsters’.

[@educatedguess5093]

"Likely"? I hope no one ever takes your life with a stupid comment and conclusion. Does he not deserve a fair trail? And Kitty too! ??

[@DigitalMoneyMichelle]

Yes same Mentor as Diddy says it all & Menudo star was also abused by their dad. There were likely many others as well.

[@wb6266]

@@DigitalMoneyMichelle really? what's their name?

[@sweettea9789]

That’s crazy that at the second trial they couldn’t make claims of abuse…..🤦🏻‍♀️

[@shuttfup2610]

The DA's office needed a win after the embarrassment OJ gave to them......the justice system is fucked

[@cassandrachestnut4839]

i still don't understand how it was omitted in the second trial.

[@Tam...]

That should have been illegal..The judge and prosecutor should have being fired and charged....

[@Afrohairlicious]

​@@Tam...yeah that was not a fair trial at all

[@ColinZiemer1]

That’s all on Lyle

[@amymonteith8064]

I agree. They should be released with time served. They've been punished enough. I'm sure they wished they did things differently. I get why they killed their parents. It wasn't the right or smart thing to do. They just cracked and felt no one will help them.

[@Sarah-gl8ki]

The most sensible comment. Agree 100%.

[@harrypotter_clips]

AGREED

[@Heavenly594]

The boys were assaulted over many years, the people saying that they had other options than murdering their abusers do not understand that sexual abuse breaks the mind.

[@kajal1117]

So disappointed in our justice system. These men should be free now.

[@Ab-iz9uv]

Y

[@Thenessaharris]

The documentary talked about how OJ Simpson killed his ex wife and her friend and was NOT guilty and was released. HOW???

[@shuttfup2610]

​@@Thenessaharris The DA's office needed a win after the embarrassment OJ gave to them. Also, it annoyed me so much that Pamela Bozanich kept saying that she wanted to win like giving people life sentences in jail is some sort of game to her.

[@MiR-bp5vx]

They should never have been sentenced in the first place

[@kajal1117]

@@MiR-bp5vx I actually disagree. I believe it was needed to be sentenced because they did in fact, kill their parents, but the time I think that was unreasonable as they do not need to be serving life. I think given the circumstances and the amount of emotional and physical abuse,therefore, I don’t think a life sentence makes sense.

[@RJS1974]

Money as a motive never made sense. Those boys had all the money when their parents were alive.

[@pornneliushubbard1967]

Not only that but even after their parents death they only got around a million a piece. They didn’t get what they thought they would originally get.

[@frozenrats]

@@Chad_MaxTrue but think logically. If they wanted money then yes, they would murder them, but they would also want to cover it up. A gunshot is not something you do when you want to hide a murder. You would use poison or something undetectable.

[@iamamoth]

They were also told by their father that they were removed from the will.

[@Randy218_]

@@Chad_Max Well, it wasn't like they were going to get it since they were removed from the will

[@RJS1974]

@@Chad_Max no. Not a motive. Abuse and hatred is the correct motive.

[@vintagecherries]

You don't kill your parents for money. You don't shoot your parents with a shotgun at close range 6-7 times each. The murders were very passionate and personal. It's the number one thing they teach us at law school. The police did a horrible job cracking the case. And for anyone wondering why they didn't come clean to the family psychologist? Because 1) Creig had close ties with the father, 2) they were scared 3) people forget that they were men, and this was embarrassing to them. We're talking about the 80's here. People were very h0m0phobic during those years. I don't understand how people put them behind bars. It is clear the murders were premeditated yes, but they were s3xUally molested by their father for years.

[@satsumamoon]

The were also sa 'd by Kitty. It wsnt just Jose.

[@educatedguess5093]

Congratulations, first semester law student. Hopefully by the time you graduate law school, you will understand rules of evidence. You have convicted the parents of serious crimes and dealt them the death penalty, all without any evidence. Now, you want to set the admitted killers set free. Time to put your brain to work and study harder. Defense atty L Abramson put together the abuse excuse long after they men were arrested, and used the "blue print" for another case where she was successful in the abuse excuse.

[@kingtryton]

This entire story is soooo twisted 😢

[@Rebecca-u1t]

Not twisted use your brain

[@sabi2557]

@@Rebecca-u1tclearly you have a very 1 dimensional mindset

[@kimcolvin3069]

“The claims of abuse are starting to seem like they’re true.” Starting to seem true? They seemed startlingly true during the first trial when the brothers were in agony testifying about it under oath in the nineties.

[@Summerrainfalling]

Honestly!

[@angieayars6619]

Exactly

[@therainbowmachines]

That judge needs to go on trial. Period!

[@veracity8968]

Am telling you ! No one talks about the judge unbelievable

[@Suchisam-by3dw]

I like how everyone is coming together on this. Its like we're the jury now. Things like this make me realize how much we've progressed, even though sometimes it feels like the opposite.

[@educatedguess5093]

Free Charles Manson Now! Oops, I forgot, he's dead now, LOL. If only tik tok came along a little sooner....., kids these days

[@mistym0rning]

@@educatedguess5093- comparing Charles Manson who was probably a sadistic psychopath to the Mendendez brothers who were traumatized victims of their father’s abuse and rape for YEARS is just sickening. Your comment makes no sense.

[@Ladybug-lz5un]

​@@educatedguess5093 you are a sick individual. How can you even compare the two. These parents were monsters!

[@carolyn816]

Set them free!!

[@JessikaJade05]

Free Lyle and Erik!!!

[@RomaineMelvin-zi3iv]

Until it's backwards

[@gabriela3338]

Justice for Erik & Lyle Menéndez ✌🏽🧡💚🤎🤎

[@AlidoesArt]

Yea free those murders

[@Tam...]

​@@AlidoesArt You're probably a pred@tor too....Male victims matter!

[@Sarah-gl8ki]

@@AlidoesArt Yea stick up for child rapists SICKO!

[@tineeew]

@@AlidoesArt lol fr people be trippin. Never once would I think to kill someone as a way to solve something or make things better.

[@mariamirai]

@@tineeew maybe bc u were never ab*sed or a victim of sa. they suffered a life time of ab*se and feared for their lives, too. they served years in prison, they need to be free now

[@Kellywaterman22]

Release them immediately ❤

[@janasiguenza1545]

The judge must go to jail

[@sjtechguru2906]

The brothers at age 18 and 21 killed his parents. They were not 'kids' anymore but chose to kill their parents. If abuse justifies killing, then we would have many more killings in America. I hope someone is defending Jose and Kitty who can no longer defend themselves.

[@janasiguenza1545]

@@sjtechguru2906you sound like a pedophile who doesn’t want to be killed by their victims

[@MarieSch444]

@@sjtechguru2906correct! They could flee but they did not. I strongly believe maybe here or there some mistakes happened but I don’t think intense abuse they might have faced as this man was so in the public why would he do that to loose all his position? Maybe he was very harsh and a strict man - my father is also very very strict and destroyed our lives but I never killed them and also abuse is evil but there are 1000 ways to get help. They never did

[@PayaswiniHolla]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@sjtechguru2906defending jose and kitty? are u insane? are u actually defending abusive monsters? a lifetime of abuse can rly alter your brain, it’s the basis of psychology, get educated. and don’t js victim blame. they were terrified of leaving. even body language experts have reported that the body language and emotions the brothers have shown corresponds to somebody who has been abused.

[@robertotorressanchez3081]

It doesn’t matter if they’ve left or not. Their father told them they’re never getting away from him. If the brothers left the house, he will find them. They did what they had to do. They couldn’t go to the police because the police won’t believe and their father will bribe the police to be quiet about it.

[@satsumamoon]

Jose held a rambo knife to their throats during his regular drilling sessions during which he would ask " what will happen if you tell? " and Erik would have to answer " you will kill me" This would be done usually when the boy was naked after being anally or orally raped , in front of a mirror. We are talking about a psych operation worse than caught military spies might experience. this Jose was a piece of work! They werent adults , they were kids. The people who did these things to them werent enemy soldiers, they were their parents. The motive was very likely that they were afraid for their lives. I doubt money was such a big deal to people who grew up with money.Reckon they just wanted the hell to end. Somehow most.people.seem to have not heard what kitty did in the bedroom. Youll find that by watching the first trial. Both parents were cruel , both caused incredible suffering . Both molested them sexually.

[@IMHip2]

There was a guy in Washington state who killed a woman who was 6-7 months pregnant with his child. He got 15 years. 15 YEARS. I think these two have served their sentences.

[@sethd6485]

They should’ve been charged with manslaughter and served a few years and been out long, long before now. It is unacceptable that the abuse allegations weren’t allowed in the final trial bc the judge wanted a conviction that would help ensure his reelection.

[@elizabird6516]

Absolutely. Total injustice

[@Yickyackthe1st]

Justice for the Menendez brothers ❤️❤️

[@lyndsey6040]

They’ve served more than enough time for their crimes. They’re not a danger to society. Let them free!

[@yvettetorres7829]

So you’re comfortable having them as neighbors then? They shot and killed their abusers while they watched TV. The imminent threat to their lives was what?? They shot them several times, stopped and reloaded and shot again.

[@solanzz]

Yes ​@@yvettetorres7829

[@ViSi-q9t]

Don't mind these young and dumb internet trolls... They would never let them in their house..

[@maxxbenzz7842]

Yeah ok fangirl. Why don't you write them some love letters too?

[@kimpimentel4657]

@@yvettetorres7829 I would be more then comfortable they aren’t 18 and 21 anymore everyone deserves a chance I’m pretty sure there parents would want them to be out

[@nicokl5593]

They will be out in 2 months, no new trial needed , time served. Talk of town in LA right now. I think they will be driven back to DTLA. And it’s well deserved. The judge should have been disbarred for forcing the hand of the jury, it’s unbelievable this was allowed to stand.

[@kw9568]

What is dtla? Downtown LA?

[@kw9568]

Why would they want to go back to California? Unless they still have family there?

[@frozenrats]

@@kw9568California is a big state and it has a lot of natural beauty.

[@nicokl5593]

Downtown Los Angeles, because their trial was there. They will have to go to court to get time served and release. Where will they live? I don’t know, I would assume between San Diego and Los Angeles.

[@aud6ix]

The courthouse???​@@kw9568

[@andreacordova1763]

Justice for these guys ❤!the fact that in the second trial they were not allowed to talk about their abuse just shows you how far we’ve come as a society. The world was so … idk if to say naive or blind to the deeper issues that a lot of young boys and girls suffered back in the days and even now

[@Tania-fx4uz]

One of the prosecutors even said that men couldn't be raped because they lacked the necessary equipment to be raped. Like omfg how'd she get her degree?

[@educatedguess5093]

@@Tania-fx4uz I think you have your facts a little bit off, or maybe just a lot! That was never given as evidence. It's true that Lyle raped Erik, then turned the tables on their parents. Erik was a weak little boy, Lyle was true evil, and they both killed the parents because they (parents) realized what a freak Lyle was. He's not fit for society. If he gets out, lock up your doors!!!

[@Tania-fx4uz]

​@@educatedguess5093 But the prosecutor Pam Bozanich really did say that men couldn't be raped because they lacked the necessary equipment to be raped. Like she literally said that, word for word.

[@charangel316]

I watched this today. It was REALLY good. The more I watch actual footage of what happened, the more I believe them.

[@vangielacap9978]

The documentary on Netflix was limited. Not all the videos im court was shown. You only saw few of them. Some of the videos in court were very hard to hear. From the teacher, dentist, some cousins, aunts, uncles, and other relatives. There were 56 witnesses testified about the abuse.

[@charangel316]

@@vangielacap9978 oh, I know. The doc only scratched the surface for sure.

[@karbearmama1973]

The teachers and dentists were mandated reporters. Shame on them for not reporting the abuse at the time.

[@Lama-i7q]

Raped, not molested. PLEASE. They were RAPED

[@satsumamoon]

Raped by Jose and molested by kitty.

[@wst.3670]

YES! I hate that everyone uses the word molested, in their trial & even NOW in today’s society! Journalists/reporters should know better & call it what it is for goodnesses sakes! Like what? They were raped! Molesting was involved at the early stages when they were small children. Then quickly it went to rape, starting with oral rape! From small children onwards. Erik for even longer. These poor guys, I’m sickened for both men, as defenceless children, teens & now their whole lives being abused because of falling through the cracks from birth to NOW! It hurts my heart & mind how obvious it all is during their 1st trial. (Including physical violence, emotional abuse & neglect by both parents). I honestly can’t grasp how well they actually handled everything. Up until they broke…but then even since. They are actually so strong to deal with all the injustices their whole lives. It’s so clear that murder is not naturally in their nature when you listen to them over the years, including the trial. It was self defence after a life time of living in an insane home in fear & hopelessness. Abuse changes the brain. They wish they’d made a different choice but they didn’t know what else to do at that time. They had no help, especially in those days. I wish they’d been believed, helped & gotten out with time served decades ago. I just want to hug them. I wish them peace, support & freedom.

[@y23323]

What's the difference between them and Gypsy Rose?

[@goldenphoenix4747]

Nothing if the Mendez brothers were the menendez sisters they would have been freed

[@dragonwitch27]

Gypsy was legally and physically held captive by her mother. She tried to get away more than once, but her mother found out and brought her back. She also was cut off from people her own age and from most means of communication. THAT is the difference. Lyle and Erik could have left at any point. They could have gone to police, filed a restraining order, etc. but they did none of that. Instead, they went straight to murder.

[@nbuny]

@@dragonwitch27they were terrified of their father. erik has said that he tried to run away, but jose threatened him. you are disgusting for defending those “parents”.

[@Ashbrash1998]

​@dragonwitch27 The situations aren't same because Gypsy's mother had no power or connections/money. Their dad did and used everything he could against them. If you get abused for so long in childhood, it makes you unable to imagine making it out on your own because you don't know what that is like. And considering family members have supported them and what happened, another victim has come forward as well shows in their favor. Look at the Diddy case, he got away with a lot because he had money and power to cover his butt.

[@dragonwitch27]

@@nbuny I could care less what you think of me. If they were abused, they have my sympathies. That doesn't allow you to take the law into your own hands though. That's not how civilized societies operate. Most people also don't go on shopping sprees after murdering their parents either.

[@LEDANCETHERAPY]

The fact that the Da is saying that he is not saying there was anything wrong with the other trial when everyone knows it was rigged

[@vidilaz]

the money motivation is ridiculous, with this kind of abuse all they would want is to make it stop, like waking up from a nightmare, I can’t even imagine...

[@DGNYY27]

I think they’re getting out. Time served already surpasses a manslaughter sentence. New trial would end up with an Alford plea.

[@chuckxu5910]

Radicalized liberal hypocrites likes to harbor and pardon violent career criminals

[@transcendcapitalism]

just so those reading know, alford plea means you're maintaining your innocence. they confessed to the killings. but yes, time served surpasses manslaughter sentence by almost 20 years

[@king...675]

@@transcendcapitalism no dude alford plea is when you claim your guilty.

[@transcendcapitalism]

@@king...675 nope, alford please is when you maintain your innocence but take the plea, usually to end seemingly endless legal proceedings.

[@king...675]

@@transcendcapitalism no its not lmao, on the record your guilty so you cant find jobs or anything but when there are numerous pre trials then you usually take an alford plea

[@mia96590]

this comment section shows that some of y’all didn’t even bother watching the whole trial or read any evidence, embarrassing. they deserved better

[@AtkinsCee]

Just because people don’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are in the wrong looool

[@angie-dm3bo]

​@AtkinsCee it's not about who is wrong it's about the evidence. And evidence supports the fact they were definitely abused.

[@MiR-bp5vx]

@@AtkinsCee So if someone r@p3ed your kid, you’d probably want to kill that person. So why are some of you sickosv against what these boys did? They were horrifically abused by their own FATHER. THEIR MOTHER KNEW AND DID NOTHING. Being abused by your damn father is way worse than being abused by a stranger. Anyone who thinks these boys should be in jail needs their computer checked as y’all are potential pdfles!

[@MiR-bp5vx]

@@AtkinsCeethese boys were abused by their own father. You are one disgusting pos

[@EsiDervishi]

Some people are commenting just based on the series, and the series was heavily ambiguous. I just watched the documentary today, and it’s so obvious how unfair life was with these men.

[@CYB3RP1X1]

they need therapy, not life in prison

[@zaidahtofie7467]

Set them free, they suffered enough already throughout their childhood lives. Their father was a sick disgusting and vile man.

[@elizabird6516]

Jose was vile and Kitty was complicit and disgusting as well. The entire story is just so sad

[@melquiadespabillare5437]

They serve long in jail, it's Time to set them Free!

[@edrianbobbycalabio1]

This case hits me a lot because we're in a similar situation. I just would like to say that not all parents are good. It sucks when your own parent is the one who did bad things to you and your family.

[@sel1414]

I hope they get justice and be free

[@bjtowns9554]

Obscene miscarriage of justice they shud have been released years ago.

[@AlidoesArt]

Lol why

[@joannajamerson35]

LET THEM OUT

[@TeamNoSide77]

Didn't one of the brothers go to college in a whole other state? Why not get help then when your away from your " abusers". Literally 1000s of miles away? I guess i can't wrap my head around that

[@foresth3art]

How are you asking someone who was abused for years to think rationally and not live in fear? What audacity you have

[@FreeSpirit47]

This case is so heart breaking. Abused & victimized by their parents, let down & re-victimized by the judicial system.

[@Littlething41]

"A culture of silence." THIS statement right here! From at least the 1940's to even now still in some families.

[@katjames2545]

I hate when they use the term mole-ested incorrectly. The Menudo member was graped. Call it what it is because it makes a huge difference.

[@noeyc1857]

Everyone in their life failed them!! Set them free! Stop protecting child molesters!!

[@Toni-vo3bi]

I was molested by my uncle when I was 14 and to this day I have not told anyone not even my aunt (his wife), unless you have been SA’d you have no idea what it does or how you’ll respond

[@juliea7033]

They’d have to be the best actors alive to have recounted (time and time again) their testimonies and interviews if they were lies.

[@oriolez555]

They wrote the plot already. Their lives depend on the scenario. Have see you start wars?

[@hollymorelli8715]

This is so disgusting and wrong. And I hate our justice system

[@pinkwakabeagle]

This is how dangerous integrated psychopaths are. They ruin lives even if its their own blood relatives. Look how disgusting and nefarious their father was that his abuse is still affecting them 30 years later. I hate him

[@meemzing]

Good thing their pappy is right where he belongs.

[@JessicaMussell]

The Netflix series is absolutely not a “documentary” it’s completely inaccurate.

[@daneleg.]

There is a documentary that came out on Netflix after Monsters.

[@AM-jm5ux]

They should be set free they served their time and have suffered way too much our justice system has failed them.

[@irishmammy6002]

Free them.

[@Amira2.00]

I was SA to as a child when i told no one believe me My abuser still walks till this day. I believe you Lyle and Erik and We all are going to do everything we can to get you out. #FreeErikandLyle.

[@nicolasmagalhaeslussim2711]

Even if they were released nothing could ever repay what they went through

[@janjr165]

Equally, nothing can bring their parents back because the brothers murdered them.

[@nicolasmagalhaeslussim2711]

@@janjr165 why would anyone want to bring them back??? They were barely human

[@AlidoesArt]

​@nicolasmagalhaeslussim2711 they were human don't be childish they did not deserve to die they deserve to be in prison yes but not dead don't be childish

[@larrybruce4856]

Why was so much evidence NOT allowed in court ??? Even the defense attorney was NOT allowed to use the term "rape" and had to use the word had "sex" which in many people's minds including the jury eludes to consensual where as "rape" is translated as not willing and was forced against their will, to have sex. This case needs to be retried and ALL evidence needs to be allowed. More evidence has been uncovered over the years, and some evidence was not allowed in court.

[@inblackamericaradio5409]

Well shouldn’t all prisoners who fit the menendez criteria be freed?

[@GraceLove33]

what prisoners are these ?

[@blueblack3591]

Very true

[@Lilynm-i3g]

Please concentrate about “abuse” and it depends on case , not all prisoners should free

[@barbarabreunis7788]

If the prisoners killed people because they were in danger then yes, they should be freed.

[@sdran23]

If they served their time for the murder(s) they committed, yeah.. probably.

[@reeveekagangaramany]

GOD PLEASE FREE THEM

[@Sleepyyoungster]

They only give af now because of Netflix 😂

[@GraceLove33]

🤦🏽‍♀️ this has been in the works for over a year

[@blueblack3591]

Probably

[@Randy218_]

They have been giving af for yrs

[@Tim82ATW]

Why didn't Lyle testify again at their last trial?

[@Randy218_]

@@Tim82ATW Bc Lyle came out and said that it was bc of the tapes that Norma wrote and also knew that if he testified, he would have been cross examined unfairly

[@michelejackson2184]

The judge in the 2nd trial should be questioned!!!

[@c6vgirlc6vgirl91]

My heart is broken for these men. The unspeakable abuse they endured and then to be punished further by the system. They have been victimized their whole life. Set them free!!!

[@Gzuphosdwn]

Wasn’t he caught on phone call recordings saying he lied about everything?

[@danimg2764]

No. That's just what Norma claims. If it were true she could easily prove so by realesing the tape, but she hasn't. In the ones she released he doesn't say anything like that.

[@nellym.6555]

Yes, and Lyle proposed(Jaimie ex fiance) that she help his defense by suggesting that Jose Menendez had made sexual advances toward her.Lyle promised that “a large sum of money would be deposited in my bank account,” she said.The cousin never mentioned anything about the abuse until 7 months after visiting the brothers in prison.

[@kellypolfleit3942]

I remember the public’s reaction to all this. They didn’t take their abuse seriously. The public bitched about how rich they. Maybe if they were poor kids the public would have takenthis more seriously as opposed to making fun of them

[@wanalya6488]

''Now the abuse is likely to be true''. MANNN culture of silence as Erik has mentioned is terrifying! Well, the truth is always unfold at the end.

[@wtjonny]

They’ve served their time

[@MsMimixOx]

Justice for Erik and Lyle! 💙💚 Set them free! No child should EVER have to endure the horrific actions that their parent inflicted on them. Murder was not the correct way to go about it but they’ve served more than enough time for their crimes. Give these men a chance to reclaim what’s left of their lives.

[@JoeySmith-e5u]

The prosecutor needs to be held responsible

[@MetropolitanChic]

I’m sorry keep them in there

[@markangelobravo8949]

The life imprisonment without parole is too much of a punishment for a crime when the abused killed their abusers. They should be resentenced.

[@PayaswiniHolla]

i also agree! i understand that a murder happened and they should serve time. it is against the law, but they should have gotten a shorter sentence

[@Cris-ge4yl]

“For from inside, out of the heart of men, come injurious reasonings: sexual immorality, thefts, murders, acts of adultery, greed, acts of wickedness, deceit, brazen conduct, an envious eye, blasphemy, haughtiness, and unreasonableness. All these wicked things come from within and defile a man.” - Mark 7: 21-23

[@AgingStudent]

Barf

[@Sharon-yc5ok]

There parents still abusing them in there minds. This is to much let them free!

[@jessicastunden5562]

‘We’re not saying there was anything wrong with the original trial’.. that’s funny, because there was plenty wrong with that trial.

[@danielnight5057]

Please release them, they just wanted what they thought would be a good life

[@TCGTales]

Set them FREE!

[@atxchaser]

To your house on parole. We need less idiots who know it all in this world.

[@Elizabeth-dw6lc]

You would know about that. They have served 35 years with no infractions! They teach speech, meditation and have made presentations on how to improve prisons. The Warden at their prison has stated that they need to be set free. I would be fine with them living next door to me. I have male friends that were victims of SA and their behavior coincides with theirs.

[@perrysumner1274]

2:23 that’s the wildest moustache I’ve ever seen

[@emelie0990]

Atleast we can all agree about something 😂

[@Brendonmakesmesmile]

Never underestimate the influence of media and public pressure over the court systems

[@90loneeagle]

Erik is so right about the era living in a culture of silence, I was born in 1990 and I often say that the 90’s kids were the last generation to live in the residual of the ‘Old School’. The culture was whatever happens at home, stays at home. After the rise on phones, cameras, social media, this gave rise to the woke era. But us 90’s kids were the last of the era of silence.

[@TraciFix]

yes 100%

[@Nina61386]

Wow, couldn't of explained it better myself. Coming from someone born in the late 80's. I never spoke of my experience until my mid 20's, and the person that caused my trauma and even admitted it, has and will never get the justice he deserves 😢

[@Nina61386]

It's heartbreaking to think of how many of us lived in silence for most of our lives

[@90loneeagle]

@@Nina61386 Im sorry to learn about your experience, im 34 now, and many of our contemporaries are just now or already have begun to learn and heal their past traumas, in my circle everything from molesting, bullying, physical abuse, improper touching even from family members, rape. Some of the challenges that some fellow friends and family members went through, and kept quiet about.

[@90loneeagle]

@@Nina61386 Facts.

[@NocturnalObserver]

Their families testimony is what sealed it for me. Members from both sides have said the abuse happened. They should be out living the rest of their lives free.

[@kimturner2105]

To throw out the charges, they would have to compensate those boys. They are not going to do that.

[@ckg710]

they have been in jail my whole life they need to be freed

[@SherLizz]

How come a letter now emerges after so many years...?

[@Charlottemodel2]

I think the guy who he wrote the letter to passed away and a loved one found it while going through his stuff.

[@jj-if6it]

their aunt found it hidden in storage for 20 years

[@LauraCouch-y7q]

Yes, so interesting that this letter that was supposedly written 8 months before the murder is being labeled by some as proof that they were abused. Supposedly an 18 year old man wrote this important letter, but the cousin didn't bring it up when he testified? He kept the letter and what forgot about it while testifying in a murder trail. There is no evidence of sexual abuse. They were not even held captive in their house while they "feared" that their parents would kill them at any moment. They drove 2 hours to buy guns to murder their parents. They were able to move freely. When interviewed after sentencing, they said they wished they could take back the murders. If they honestly believed their parents deserved death for what they did to them and that killing them was their only way out, then they would have said they didn't regret it...they regret getting caught. I believe they actually thought they could get away with it, and if not for Erik telling his therapist that they murdered their parents, they may have.

[@jj-if6it]

@@LauraCouch-y7q you have a lot of learning to do and clearly no concept of what real trauma is

[@sophia.guerry]

Free them

[@sujeeweerasinghe6802]

At this time and age they should be free.Finally they are believing them about the abuse.🙏

[@Usaisaboveall]

Guys I’m sorry but I’m sure they were abused and it was horrendous and no excuses for that . St eod , murder isn’t the answer

[@stephenjordan7443]

Shut the fuck up if it was you getting abused and u killed ur parents u would feel the same way they feel that you should be release so get the fuck out here

[@firenze5555]

No they were not abused. The father threatened to cut them off financially because they were a couple of criminals and losers. So they blasted away both parents to get to the money.

[@axeliaa2148]

@@firenze5555im gonna assume u only watched the netflix bs

[@firenze5555]

@@axeliaa2148 I'm gonna assume you're hired PR or a convict groupie.

[@stephenjordan7443]

@@firenze5555 so what about the actual witness of the family they even said Jose was a horrible dad would hear Jose doing stuff in Erika room what about the letter 8 months before the murder. You are so fucking delusional dawg ong would smack u if i saw u

[@LEDANCETHERAPY]

There are three shows the monster one; the documentary the Menendez Brothers and the peacock documentary Menendez + Menudo where Rob Rosello of Menudo speaks about the abused and rape by the manager of menudo and Jose Menendez

[@Keerthixme]

I haven't watched the show but I have watched the documentary and THEY SHOULD BE FREED they did their time and they don't deserve life in prison at all. The amount of times I teared up while watching that documentary is actually insane? There is a bunch of evidence so fingers crossed they'll be freed soon.

[@lisaboyle72]

I guess we forgot they ran spending the money while their parents lay dead

[@danimg2764]

That is nowhere near enough to disprove all the extensive evidence of the abuse they endured all their lives by those monsters.

[@lisaboyle72]

@@danimg2764 murder is not an excuse. I couldn't get away with killing my husband because he was abusive and get away with it.

[@Lillie-b8n]

Can we just free these poor babies?!?