Dean Lister on Loyalty in BJJ | Is It Ok To Train At Other Academies?

[@TheClinchMagazine]

I'd say take knowledge from whatever source you can find. The more you are open to other styles, the more you know how to handle other styles.

[@texasgrappling1014]

I'm loyal to my family at home. As long as I'm paying it shouldn't matter. We are all adults for the most part we should train where we want.

[@r.l.strange1897]

Loyalty to your team is still important. If you think your coach isn’t good enough to give you confidence your at the wrong gym. Training at the rival gym in your hometown is a bitch move in my opinion.

[@SINdaBlock411]

@@r.l.strange1897 is that your way of saying you fear competition

[@r.l.strange1897]

@@SINdaBlock411 is that your way of interpreting english?

[@SINdaBlock411]

@@r.l.strange1897 is that your way of coming up with an original retort lol

[@demorvie]

You are paying for the service, you are not his slave because he taught you grappling. Do whatever the fuck you want to do.

[@danielsimpson3041]

I trained at one academy for 12 years. I was loyal even though I was treated poorly. I changed to another school recently and have not regretted my decision. I didn't want to leave my academy because loyalty is key, however doing what is best for me is more important.

[@RobsName]

How were you being treated poorly?

[@danielsimpson3041]

I was a punching dummy for the higher belts and was always getting injured. I got my arm torn out of socket once and still haven't recovered. I also was passed up for promotion for several years as I spent 7 years as a white belt and 5 years as a blue belt. I understand it is up to the professor and I never questioned it, however when I could legit tap a brown belt multiple times I had enough.

[@matsuwd-emethdaath4002]

@@danielsimpson3041 yep it was time.to move on bro. Thats just lack of respect towards you

[@biggooba6706]

@@danielsimpson3041 holy shit dude are you black belt now?

[@danielsimpson3041]

@@biggooba6706 no still a blue belt. Honestly I'm not that great at jiu-jitsu, I just love to do it. Master Carlos told me once a black belt covers 2 inches of your butt. It's up to you to cover the rest. That doesn't stop me from trying though.

[@JosephBojang]

I appreciate Dean's response. I think training in many local gyms is valuable and can help people think for themselves regarding their jiu-jitsu journey. There are a lot of people that are great a jiu-jitsu, but their concepts of learning are usually wanting. Dean seems to have a good handle on helping people.

[@SINdaBlock411]

he literally low key admitted that he doesn't want people to be open minded and train outside of their own school, did you even listen to the video

[@GeorgeOu]

If you're on a competitive team, you can make the argument for loyalty to your team and not help the rival team. If you're paying dues as a regular student, it's a business relationship and your school has no right to stop you. If they do, they're exercising monopoly powers to hurt a smaller gym and prevent them from getting off the ground.

[@joeoleary9010]

Agree completely.

[@TheSmiaf]

I totally get it as the gym is always mentioned with the athlete. This will be my issue... Although I've had a friend who competed on his own".

[@kungfuso]

Well said my friend, as usual i agree with you

[@listerdean2332]

mio amico

[@Luccimatic]

i have taken judo for almost 6 years. my coach has done a lot for me as over the years ive had growing and learning to do like everyone else and he gave me breaks on fees and has consistently given me time and attention to hit my martial arts goals. lately i train one day a week at a bjj gym to fill in gaps that judo just doesnt cover to the degree that a bjj school does. but i know its a blow to him to find me taking up other lessons even if i go to his classes 3 times as much as i take bjj in any given week, so i just generally dont talk about it. i respect him enough to not rub it in his face that i want more mat time and drilling in another area of grappling. maybe hes being sensitive or maybe im being disrespectful. im trying to figure that out more than anything i guess.

[@IpponQing]

I went through that too. My sensei said BJJ was a fad, it’ll die out, etc. Then once I was a competitive brown belt, I looked untouchable compared to judoka who didn’t train BJJ. Anyways, now he has a ton of respect for me and my skillset, and sends me BJJ videos everyday.

[@healthfreak79]

Great teachers usually dont lose students. Multiple students leaving, it could be the teacher...

[@emanuelhern6329]

I agree with Dean Lister. Much respect to him.

[@dandini0698]

I heard about BJJ people making fun of chinese martial arts schools because they had this reverance about their master and loyalty to their own, but if they're doing the very same thing, this is dumb af. Just train wherever you want, its about competing and getting better, in a single gym you only have so many opponents, you have to go elsewhere to get variety.

[@listerdean2332]

only low level guys would make fun of Chinese martial arts

[@Brandon-ob9rg]

@@listerdean2332 it's dumb though

[@dildobaggins8987]

I think any school training at a gym from boxing to wrestling have a feeling of loyalty to the trainers that got them to the standard they are

[@SINdaBlock411]

@@listerdean2332 so the Gracies are low level guys, gotcha ...

[@Jmnp08]

So I'm confused. What's the final answer?

[@PaterPerker]

he basically said train anywhere you want but don't bite the hand that feeds you ... totally not shady at all

[@SINdaBlock411]

@@PaterPerker ikr

[@n.a.g.5679]

"I'm paying my dues and I can do whatever I want'...and I guess they're right...." Video should've stopped right there. The only reason "loyalty" is an issue at all is because instructors make it an issue.... It's actually pretty simple, instructors: Like most issues in jiujitsu, if y'all stop making it an issue, then it won't be an issue.

[@grumpyref]

Good content.... but please regulate the volume. It is hard to hear the interview and then you blast the music.

[@GoldBJJ]

Discussed with our video editor - really appreciate the feedback!

[@JiuJitsuTunes]

That's where I fucked up went to 7 gyms lmao didn't know it was wrong.

[@demorvie]

It is not wrong, are you betraying burger king if you had lunch at McDonald's?

[@listerdean2332]

It’s not wrong but imo you will have a larger sense of team if you primarily pick a place, train wherever certainly of course

[@JiuJitsuTunes]

@@demorvie 🤣 true but reason why I say its "wrong" because I now realize I've probably could've gotten my black belt and open a gym a lot faster if I stayed dedicated to one gym. I've been training for 12 years but got stuck at Blue belt because I would bounce from Gracie Barra to 10th planet and other local gyms. But I guess everyone's path is different.

[@JiuJitsuTunes]

@@listerdean2332 Fosho

[@listerdean2332]

@@JiuJitsuTunes I understand 100%. I have had some of my best times at blue and purple belt. When I was young, of course I wanted to get a higher belt. I do think that many people live in the future in their mind. It’s a complete journey, yea it’s a cliche but still true, hope training is going well

[@inigmaman1]

Mr. Lister...what's your advise on older blue belts (over 50), that keep getting smashed by younger white belts?

[@listerdean2332]

you will surpass them soon... I'm not saying to train easy, just look for the specific way to tire out a younger opponent.. In doing so, you will also help him

[@Zenitself]

Maybe focus on your defense more.

[@tangodelta6890]

Learn. More.

[@snappercatzapper]

I believe it was Rendon Gracie that said every 10lbs equals 1 belt up, and every 10 years also can equal 1 belt up. So if they are 10lbs heavier, or are 10 years younger, do the math. The same accounts for 20lbs or 20 years.

[@snappercatzapper]

Jimmy Crackcorn hey don’t shoot the messenger. Just saying what Ryron Gracie and his brother Rener Gracie has said on their KZbin channel. Look it up.

[@sonortubelug3853]

So the answer is no.

[@SINdaBlock411]

pretty much

[@phoenixdave151]

I am very loyal, I stay with the gym that got me started.

[@demorvie]

Do you eat at only one restaurant?

[@TheSmiaf]

You always roll with the same guy?

[@SINdaBlock411]

you're a puppet is what you mean

[@panterajiujitsu1]

If the student doesn’t pay then the instructor is no longer loyal!

[@SINdaBlock411]

?

[@panterajiujitsu1]

@@SINdaBlock411 academies want you to be loyal to them right? But I’ve seen many times when student loses job the academy doesn’t cut them a break .. that’s what I mean

[@SINdaBlock411]

@@panterajiujitsu1 you're not talking academies you're talking cults

[@panterajiujitsu1]

@@SINdaBlock411 I’ve been to some so called cults..

[@SINdaBlock411]

@@panterajiujitsu1 bjj is a real cult

[@User-54631]

When the lord speaks...you listen!!!

[@PaterPerker]

a real man decides for himself who's worthy whether or not to listen to

[@SINdaBlock411]

@@PaterPerker amen brother

[@davemuckeye]

Be eclectic… best of every school, worst of none of them…

[@yew2oob954]

You'll end up sucking at everything equally.

[@Malouco]

Ryu Lister

[@PaterPerker]

does the guy even know what jutaijutsu means

[@SINdaBlock411]

@@PaterPerker not likely

[@Malouco]

I ain’t going to just one academy but I will likely only wanna train Ricksons academy or any gracies outside California (OR WITH THIS SEXY GUY FROM SAN DIEGO)

[@SINdaBlock411]

eww

[@SINdaBlock411]

this whole "loyalty" thing is laughable at best ... are we learning how to defend ourselves, or are we joining the Brazilian mob ...