Wet Dry Wet and HX Stomp - Impossible?

Line6 HX Stomp is a powerful multi-effects pedal with endless features. But can it also be used to run wet dry wet, with wet effects in kill dry AND in parallel?
Furthermore, can you have control over the individual lines, their levels and have the ability to mute them easily?
Further-Furthermore - can you do all of this without amps?
So many points to cover. I don't know the HX will be able to handle all of this.
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00:00 - Intro

[@paulg1897]

I think it should be mentioned, that for this to work, you need a cable from the SEND (side output) to your desk. That will be the dry mono signal. The main outs L/R to the desk will be the stereo effects.

[@PeterFerguson9]

Thank you for this inspiring video! Found another interesting tip that others may find helpful. HX Stomp has two parallel paths...so I could put two mono delays on each one, hard pan the splits, and then have a great dual delay sound, each one feeding off the original signal, so they are in true parallel. But...say I ALSO want to have a reverb that acts on the trails of BOTH delays. I can use a reverb with the mix at any level, and it will only be affecting the trails of the delays, not the original signal. If the delay repeats are tight enough to the original signal, this serial reverb after the parallel delays will basically sound like another parallel path. TL;DR: As long as the first 'wet only' block is in kill dry (100% mix), you can run serial effects after that block in either path and use the mix knob to control the level of those effects. HX Stomp is limited by just two paths, but workaround can open up more possibilities.

[@GoodwoodAudio]

Nice!

[@joethrelfall6370]

​@@GoodwoodAudiois this preset available to buy?

[@MisterRorschach90]

You guys should make a pedalboard that has ts female jacks all over it that connect to a matrix switcher either controlled with dip switches or an iOS app, and a set of switches at the bottom that perform different functions that can be changed with the switches or app. With the pedal board it would be possible to completely change the order of your effects on the fly, split them up, put some in the fx loop, switch between stereo or wet dry stuff, etc. that would be a pretty awesome piece of equipment. Especially after seeing that putting a boost at the end gives a cool unique sound. It would basically be like a flock patch bay style midi pedalboard.

[@GoodwoodAudio]

I've always wanted to do something like that. Theres a couple other companies doing similar things although not as feature packed as what you're saying... Would be pretty niche, but a ton of fun to mess around with.

[@JHSmithmusic]

I've been wondering how to mimic the kill dry option on my wet fx in my Helix! Thanks so much for the help!

[@GoodwoodAudio]

no problem! I still remembering searching for kill dry in the manual... took a while to figure out haha. glad it helped.

[@KevinStiphen]

This pedal is beast

[@GoodwoodAudio]

agreed!

[@jboot4359]

sounds killer thanks!

[@GoodwoodAudio]

Thanks for checking it out!

[@joethrelfall6370]

Can you have three amps at once in hx stomp running wet dry wet?​@@GoodwoodAudio

[@joethrelfall6370]

​@@GoodwoodAudiodo you have a link to this preset?

[@paulg1897]

If you wanted to use the send L/R you’d need a Y cable?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

yes! or if the pedal you're sending to has a TRS input (like a lot of stereo pedals these days) then you need a TRS cable. but yes - you're right for a pedal that has a mono L and mono R input

[@BradRedlich]

Do you run everything in the main out and get the w/d/w result? This would be to an amp, PA, or mixer. Or do you need to run 3 outputs to a mixer and pan the wet signals from there. I couldn’t find the wiring configuration in the video. If you have a time stamp that would been sweet! Deciding on my next piece of gear. Thanks!

[@GoodwoodAudio]

you could do either! totally up to you. YOu just need to be careful about latency if you run 3 outputs... making sure all lines go through the DSP / run through effect blocks on the HX.

[@BradRedlich]

@@GoodwoodAudio Ok thanks! I would rather just run one output if that covers it.

[@alessandromasipersonal]

Useful, thanx!

[@johanbron8060]

Just a clarifying question. In your video routing example, is the HX Send Out the dry signal (physical connect to external Amp)? And the HX Out L Out R the 2 wet signals (physical connect to 2 Amps)?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

Thats one way to do it yes. OR you can put an amp/cab sim in the HX stomp and send all 3 signals to a sound desk.

[@johanbron8060]

@@GoodwoodAudio Thanks for clarifying. In this wet dry wet example, can I use HX Headphones Out for monitoring/practice? Containing both dry and wet signals? Possible? Or do I need aditional 4 channel mini mixer with headphones out on f.i. my pedal board?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

@@johanbron8060 You would need to let dry pass through one of your wet lines to get the dry in the headphones OR get a line mixer, yes. It's doable in the headphones but you need that workaround and lose a bit of control on one of your wet effects but probably not detrimental.

[@davestarns]

When you don’t have any of the wet effects turned on, how do you keep the dry signal from coming through the wet send?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

wet effects are on in parts of this video. I just turned the mix up / effect level all the way up so there was no dry.

[@briankliewer5906]

Is this possible to do using Analog wet effects? Does this setup actually send 3 lines to front of house? or is the "dry" single panned center and wet panned hard left/right all over the 2 balanced outputs?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

You could do either. All depends out you route this. You could use analog wet effects, yes. Either after the outputs of the HX stomp (amps would have to be before the wet effects in this scenario. OR use a TRS Y cable on FX send of HX. One side is dry out, other side is mono send to wet effects. Return in stereo after last wet effect to FX return on HX - amp blocks - HX stomp outputs

[@ruvchbrevth]

I run the POD go with the HX stomp, I was wondering if there’s a way to run wet dry wet with that setup too?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

I'm sure there is.. I just don't have a POD Go with me to demo it. Even with those two... there are multiple approaches you could take depending on what effects you're running with which unit. It's a rabbit hole to say the least.

[@dodr788]

Very helpful video.. Is wet/dry/wet possible if you add the HX Effects to the equation?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

yes. Just depends how you route everything. There are so many routing options with the HX gear, it is really just up to personal preference. With HX effects S/R jacks, you can do a whole bunch with WDW.

[@jeffsantoro9766]

Great, guys, thanks! Do i need a di box for the dry signal coming out the “send” and going direct to foh, mixer, interface or something? God bless y’all!

[@GoodwoodAudio]

Totally depends! If you want to run everything to FOH then a DI is handy, yes. But I'd recommend trying a dry amp on the Send (a good tube amp) for your core sound and then send to FOH for wet effects with amp/cab sim. Sounds huge.

[@jeffsantoro9766]

@@GoodwoodAudio awesome, thank you very much, guys!

[@jasonraymer4054]

Seems like I’m a bit late to this party! In my current setup I have a stereo big sky and timeline via the FX loop…hard panned left/right via trs to xlr cables straight to FOH - with this W/D/W setup, does the dry thru need a cable out to FOH or is it effectively blended in the L and R outs with the kill dry wet effects? (Hope that makes sense)

[@sixk82]

How would you do this with external reverb and delay pedals and using the hx stomp and a modeler?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

Do you mean all of these in parallel with each other? If so there are a couple of options depending on where you want the modeller... Dry effects - Splitter (to dry out and all parallel effects) - Mixer (mixes ALL wet effects) - Modeller - FOH / DAW. If modeller FIRST... Dry effects - Modeller - Split (to dry out and all parallel effects) - Mixer - FOH. happy to chat more if you want to give more detail on what you're trying to achieve!

[@sixk82]

@@GoodwoodAudio so Im not sure which route to go. I have a drive section(set of drive pedals) and a wet section( set of wet effect pedals). And want to use the stomp as an amp/cab sim for some wet/dry/wet. But when I play at church it gets summed to one... so I think even a wet dry might work... Also I am using pbc6x. Could it be used to control the stomp as well? Your thoughts?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

@@sixk82 There are honestly endless options here. I would potentially start by running your FX loop on the stomp for your cab / amp sim (eg. Insert Send on PBC to HX input - HX FX Send to Insert Return *Put your amp and cab sim in this section in the stomp). Now you can move your cab sim independently of the wet section on the HX. I'd start by running wet effects in series and use the HX FX Return / Stereo outputs to run delay and verb in parallel towards the end of the chain. See if you like it before committing further to a parallel setup. The good news with this is you can create mono presets on the HX as well for when you run mono if you get phase issues with summing (depends on how you run your effects / which effects you use). Hopefully this makes sense! Happy to chat more - [e-mail]

Thanks for that very helpfull bit! Although I have a problem running stereo I guess. I can clearly hear the spread of the delay when playing your video, but when using the same speakers to playback my preset out of the HX it sound's mono to my ears. I am trying to figure out what's up, but can't seem to find the problem's source.

[@GoodwoodAudio]

make sure your preset doesn't have everything running centered... if there is an option to pan wide, make sure that's set to 100%

@@GoodwoodAudio Thanks you so much. I found the problem though...the tracks were not stereo-enabled on my audio interface, lol.

[@jasonclements8995]

How could I do wet/dry/wet if I’m using an HX stomp for my amp/ir’s and an HX efffects for all overdrives/distortions and everything else?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

You could probably approach this a couple of different ways (probably more than I can answer here). but if you're HX stomp is ONLY amps as you mentioned, you could put it in the HX Effects FX loop and place those amps wherever you like (easiest but least flexible). You could also put the HX stomp in 2 different places if that helped... One amp for dry and a different one for wet. FX send on HX to input on HX stomp. FX Send on HX stomp to dry amp output. then the output of HX effects could go (in stereo) to HX stomp FX return - another amp block (or two) - HX stomp outputs to wet out in stereo... There are plenty of ways you could do this but hopefully that gets you started!

[@dariohenriquez7773]

i have a roland jc 22, and a hx effects it got fx loops and can work in parallel. my goal is to get two signals at the same time, one with compressor, distortions, etc (everything before the fx loops block in my hx) and my delays and modulations i want them clean, 100% wet... but when i set them 100% wet no matter what i do the delay is repeating with distortion... in parallel without using distortion before the fx loop, the sound is perfect, i want the clean delay parallel mixed with the distorted guitar. any clues on what i'm missing here? i mean it has to be possible to do what i intend or is it really necessary to use two amps to get this 100% wet + 100% dry setup that i'm trying to get? the jc 22 hast to speakers but i don't think it should matter

[@GoodwoodAudio]

I think I mostly follow... but might be a bit lost. What you should be doing to get this is essentially plugging guitar straight into HX effects. Then splitting signal right away. One side goes to your FX Loop (in this loop would be drives / compressor etc) and the other side goes to delays / verbs / modulation). If I'm understanding you, you'd then mix down these two signals (wet effects and dry effects) with a mixer in the HX. Then you could send that parallel signal to the input of the amp.

[@55PENSFAN2]

Would I still need to run the main L/R outs into two separate amps? Or would the wet effects be getting the amp and drive at the beginning of the chain? TL;DR- Does this work with just the amp at the front or do I need two more amps/ a dual amp sim(ex. Walrus ACS1)

[@GoodwoodAudio]

Not sure I can cover all of this here, but in short you can wire this up in any number of ways. 1. YES - the wet amps will get the drive / dry effects in the beginning of the chain (if wired in the way the vid shows) but you don't NEED to do it this way. You can have clean wet effects as well but will need to split your signal earlier in the chain. You can do this with 3 amps (WDW), 2 amps (WD) or 1 amp (use 1 amp for dry and amp/cab sim for wet effects as a starting point). You don't need a dual amp sim if you are ok with running ONE cab sim for everything OR a cab sim for just wet or just dry.

[@GypsyVibez]

quick question if I am using the stereo loop in the HX Stomp and have a h9 max and bigsky is it possible to do the wet dry wet with those instead of the reverbs and delays in the hx?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

If you're ok with series wet effects, yes. If you want parallel wet effects, no. Not if you want the H9 and Bigsky run in stereo. You'd need a line mixer in there as well if you wanted them in parallel.

[@joshuamorrison1810]

Super helpful. Primary bass player here but I dabble in electric as well. Gonna set my board up like this too. Any issue running both L and R outputs instead of summing back at the end?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

You can do either! L / R separate or summed. Whatever floats your boat!

[@joshuamorrison1810]

@@GoodwoodAudio appreciate you!

[@GoodwoodAudio]

@@joshuamorrison1810 thanks!

[@marcuslewitzki4610]

Can you run wet/dry/wet with stereo wet pedals (flanger, chorus, delay, reverb), all in parallel and kill-dry?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

You'll be hard pressed to find chorus and flange pedals with kill dry functions. They exist, but it's rare. Usually delay and verb are in parallel and pedals before that are series... As an example. Stereo Chorus - Stereo Flanger - **Parallel split** - Delay/Verb in parallel.

[@marcuslewitzki4610]

@@GoodwoodAudio Ok, yes that's the setup I usually see people do when demonstrating parallel routing. Another thing Dan Steinhardt said in a video (that Pedal Show) is that stereo chorus pedals have one of the signals completely dry and the actual effect is only in the other signal, mixed with the dry. So if you were to mute one of them (don't remember if he said right or left, it might be different for different brands) you'd get no chorus effect at all. He even demonstrated this on the show. So if that pedal he used were to feature a kill-dry switch it would basically render the pedal mono. But are the chorus effect always only on one side in stereo chorus pedals?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

@@marcuslewitzki4610 Dan knows his stuff. Legend. BUT no - not all chorus pedals operate this way. I think the MXR stereo chorus (amazing) does this, but other stereo chorus pedals have chorus on both lines. Totally depends on the brand of chorus pedal (that companies take) you're using. Unfortunately though you just kind of have to 'know' or send them a direct message because this is almost never in their user manual (how they do 'stereo' chorus).

[@amaup83]

Can this be achieved with the HX Effects? Except for the amp simulation of course, I'm currently using Kingsley and PeaceHill preamp pedals along with the GFI Cabzeus for cab simulation, I'm thinking on getting the HX Effects for wet effects, and I would like to get the same results, but I don't know if that's possible.🤔

[@GoodwoodAudio]

you just want to be careful of latency.. you need to run dry signal through it as well. The principal remains the same though!

[@jordan_era]

Is there a way to do this but using 2 amps, 2 irs and then still send and have the delay and reverb in parallel?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

there is. If I'm hearing you correctly... You'd split your signal in parallel in HX, then send to Amps/IRs. On one split you'd send to verb, the other split to delay then out of HX. Is that what you mean? You could also do split / delay and verb in parallel then on each split run separate amps.IRs (change the order of pedals vs. amps.IRs if you like that better.

[@jordan_era]

@@GoodwoodAudio I didn’t explain well my bad. In the video you have an amp and cab block then a send, into parallel delay and reverb. I want to use 2 amps and 2 irs in parallel. Then my stereo chorus block then a send block then my delay and reverb in in parallel. But I don’t think I can split, come back into a stereo block then split again. Do I have to do one amp and cab to do parallel delay and reverb.

[@DrMattWalton]

Can you do a tutorial using real amps…a little more practical for a lot of us.

[@GoodwoodAudio]

I'm very happy to read this... I feel like 80% of the people I talk to these days are using sims.

[@hugoperezalvarez8808]

Do you need a special cable for the send before mod and delay/reverb?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

Nope! Just a standard TS cable will work!

[@youWoNtLikeMe04]

Will this work on a pod go?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

I actually havent tested it! So long as the hardware is there / the ability to split in theory you should be able to but you'd need to test the theory to make sure you don't have any unforeseen issues.

[@michaelberry530]

How is this done using real amps?

[@GoodwoodAudio]

just don't use any amp/cab sim. So you could plug out of the FX Send to a dry amp and out of the L/R outputs to 2 more wet amps. No amp/cab sim. The best thing is you can do both... Turn on Amp/Cab sim when you need it, turn it off when you have amps!

[@michaelberry530]

@@GoodwoodAudio Thank you, it works perfect. The tricky part was running out of the send instead of the right output for the dry amp.

[@GoodwoodAudio]

@@michaelberry530 glad to hear it!