GOOGLE DEBATE 2018: Plant-Based Vegan vs Bulletproof Keto Diet

Google talks recently hosted a discussion about diet between 'What the Health' director and vegan advocate Kip Andersen, Bulletproof butter 'guru' Dave Asprey and plant-based MD Dr. Joel Kahn. It turned into quite the debate!
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[@annamariekraft2420]

I hope somebody reads my message! I was vegan for almost 3 years and Dave Asprey convinced me to get off the vegan diet. He’s very convincing and I didn’t do my own research. I didn’t even know about this channel years ago. I’m happy to say that I’m vegan again! After finding out that all of the research is funded by the companies who want you to buy their animal products I gave up eating animal products again. A lot of the studies are done by pharmaceutical drug companies as well. Every research road leads back to the dairy, meat and pharmaceutical drug companies. I feel happy and healthy and strong once again. I had pain in both my knees and heart problems. All of this pain went away after about four days on the vegan diet. Eating Animal products is disgusting in many different ways.

[@annetterhoades4873]

I tried doing Keto carnivore for 6 months and it ruined my health. It made my cholesterol go up to 608 and my LDL was 473. My doctor wanted me on statins right away. I didn't take them and just went wfpb over this last month and my cholesterol has already dropped 200 points. My LDL even went from 473 to 282. This is proof that this way of eating is so good for us and it has worked faster than a statin to bring my cholesterol down. My doctor was shocked. Also all my joint pain and being out of breath went away. I'm even able to jog again. So glad you returned to plant based eating and your health returned as well.

[@SuperaFutura]

Bless you and stay healthy! Im feeling very good after 5 vegan years

[@nay.sen20]

Great

[@martiusyamamoto1578]

Mrs. Kraft, how can I possibly convince a former healthy vegan friend of mine who is now 53 to stop going on a keto paleo diet? She just seems to be loving it but as a physician I know it's awful for her health in the long run. Thank you.

[@tekojr4726]

You are delusional. Cutting carbs helps me enormously

[@georgemarx4655]

Never stop petting -every dog ever

[@AveryCreates]

I hate how he literally has no sources for anything he's saying but people are still eating it up.

[@TheAlmonteFilms]

That's confirmation bias for you

[@drapersc]

like vegans

[@LeonardoDiax24]

draper 1997sc no

[@BlankestKnight]

Leonardo Diax yes

[@lauravillalobos6436]

his only source is his profit

[@gemmadaniels9627]

What the health encouraged me to go plant based. I did more research (Forks over knives). Been plant based for 6 months and will never go back. Keep up the good work plant based news!

[@Bee_Bill287]

you should get Brenda Davies book this tells you everything you will ever need to know about a plant based diet....

[@dw2369]

I went vegan over a year ago and found it works well for me. Not only have I lost weight but I no longer have digestive issues and my cholesterol levels have improved dramatically. Now, I have cheated once or twice and didn't feel good doing it but I immediately got back to the vegan diet.

[@btgaming315]

Gemma Daniels OMG those are the EXACT two documentaries that made me start eating a whole foods plant based diet too.

[@mike160785]

What the health has been proven to be full of lies and false info

[@btgaming315]

Michael Warburton proven by who?

[@nmccutcheon2243]

I will always look to Dr. Michael Greger for my facts.

[@dawseyboy1]

God no, he thinks sugar is poison. McDougall for the win

[@christianneuhaus8195]

Dr Gregor don’t just think in his videos he presents studies, so people can make informed decisions for them selfs. If you don’t want to stop eating (refined) sugars that’s ok it is your choice, but don’t say he thinks so.

[@matthewbryson3243]

I love Dr. Greger! Dr. Neal Barnard of PCRM is my other favorite source for nutrition information

[@xenoblad]

1800 calories a day, worked out 6 days a week, and still gained weight? He must have a clinically low metabolism. Sedentary men burn 2k a day.

[@squarz]

xenoblad maybe he ate 1800 kcal of coke and fries...

[@papparocket]

Soul V, well I did gain weight after going vegan (about 10 pounds), but that is just because the food tastes so damn good and I love to cook fancy meals, so it was very easy for me to overeat on all of the rich foods that I can make. I am turning it around and loosing by just being a little more mindful of just how much I am eating. Don't have to do tiny portions or calorie count, just watch the calorie dense stuff and fill up more on the low calorie dense foods.

[@wesleygaitan]

Well it depends on how much protein you eat so I would assume he was eating too little protein

[@Dan16673]

@DaRK sOUL yup. He is lying

[@zenithethos3411]

I struggled to gain weight before I went vegan about 5 years ago. I was very underweight, at about 130. I've gained 30 pounds since then and I'm the healthiest I've ever been. People still say I'm thin, because they know I'm vegan, yet I was unhealthy and way skinnier eating a predominantly animal based diet.

[@Arishu666]

You can really watch Kip die inside everytime Dave Asprey says something wrong xD

[@joeparker2725]

I had a joint pain in my left wrist due to an incident at work few years ago. Sometimes the pain just disappeared, but occasionally it came back even 3 years after the incident, and it was very frustrating (when I just turned on/off the lightswitch and the pain from the middle finger until the wrist it was really unpleasant). I've tried pills, oily tunafish etcetc, nothing helped. Since I'm vegan (2 years now), the pain never came back, not even for a second.

[@Vanessa-bk4nv]

This seems to be quite common. I was surprised when he said that he had joint pain as a vegan, but not as a carnivore.

[@gmnotyet]

Should have tried high-quality Omega-3s and curcumin. Did wonders for my bad elbow.

[@ddhqj2023]

@@Vanessa-bk4nv That's not what he said. He said, pain as an omnivore but not as a vegan.

[@saintearth]

One would think the pro meat guy would have been better prepared. He popped off all the same old fallacies which in turn blew up his credibility.

[@quikwidit6967]

saintⓋearth No amount of preparation could possibly help.

[@saintearth]

l prefer when they simply tell the truth.

[@vilvismargots5937]

mission impossible

[@saintearth]

improbable but not impossible.

[@papparocket]

The problem is that the people looking to have their bad diets validated don't care if the claims have been disproven or not, they are just looking for someone, anyone to tell them that their favorite foods (butter, meat, cheese, eggs) are will make their health better, not worse. So Asprey comes along speaking very authoritatively and confidently making health claims with no "maybe", or "might be" qualifiers that real science based people must use since all conclusions in science are provisional subject to change as new data comes along. Thus he gives these people the validation they are looking for and that is as far as they are interested in going. They are not going to go fact check him. He said it, I believe it, pass the burgers and butter coffee.

[@jamiejaskowiak4480]

I did keto for a few years, lost weight at first then it slowly came back and my blood pressure got higher and higher and i started having heart palpitations. I switched to a plant based diet and my blood pressure is normal, i have no more problems with my heart and ive lost weight. Plant based is much easier for me because. I work alot and grabbing fruit and veggies on the go is much simpler then trying to constantly seek fat sources. Plant based is way cheaper than keto for me also

[@progressforward]

Why would you seek fat sources ? Avocadoes for one , nuts, seeds, etc.

[@progressforward]

seeds , nuts, both great sources of good fat

[@macapple1626]

I'm japanese and most us don't follow any forms of diet but we live longer from the rest of world...i think our diet is well balanced because we eat a lot of organic vegetables, fruits, fish, eggs, seafoods, meat and drink tea on daily basis.

[@douglassiqueira2347]

I'm on keto, lost 32 pounds, my doctor was astonished because I no longer use drugs for asthma, I've got a lot of energy and I now practicing BJJ because I'm having the energy for it I will never considered to go back or change it, I'm feeling much better than when I was 20.

[@marcusjackman1487]

Were you vegan before?

[@douglassiqueira2347]

@@marcusjackman1487 Not completely vegan no, did vegetarian for a couple of months, that was a while ago, not bad experience though

[@marcusjackman1487]

@@douglassiqueira2347 Cool. Glad you're feeling better! When you had asthma were you consuming dairy products? I've read about links between dairy consumption and asthma, lung problems, phlegm creation, things like that.

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

How ironic that the "Bulletproof" diet is riddled with holes... Thanks for the video Klaus

[@jobenren]

that was a good one

[@ryanwelsch9384]

Well said!!!!!!!!!

[@sonja4164]

Vegan For The Animals Ⓥ 😂😂😂

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

thanks everybody...have a good day

[@koneking2569]

Every diet has holes, no diet is perfect except for whatever works for the individual.

[@TomKilworth]

One thing that's completely absent from the vegan diet is bones. Now, your bones are made from bones, and so you need to eat bones to have bones. Bones

[@quikwidit6967]

Tom K Ahh.. Very nice. That was a good one. Great comeback.

[@nomdeplume9852]

Tom K Bones to have a good boner. Sorry, testosterone 😉

[@time4sanity]

That's like saying you need to eat brains to have brains. Must you neat toenails to have toenails, too? That's ludicrous! Most of the most powerful (strong bones & muscles) animals on the planet EAT PLANTS!

[@giotag1819]

Even meat eaters don't usually eat bones. It's strange how people have bones at all...

[@squarz]

Tom K and hair. You need hairs to make hair

[@freddieriboni4521]

I also went vegan and started feeling fem and tired. .. no sex .. and just did not feel like hitting Gym. .. Now I am paleo. Love it. It works for me

[@luismedeiros7139]

Dave Asprey body language is so "douchey" :P

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

Haha, yeah....and also his glasses scream "I'm a douche"....look like safety goggles

[@WorldOfARandomVegan]

Yep!

[@retaliationeffort2864]

Yes! I thought the same after the video.

[@Shaggy-lu6dz]

Not just his body language.

[@anemicmangoes9763]

Often people don't associate what they are currently eating, as a diet. So when a vegan "diet" is brought up, they assume it is for weight loss, or muscle gain, or something else. This can give veganism a bad wrap, because although a vegan diet can cause both weight loss, and muscle gain, the actual diet between the two will be different. And I think that veganism should not be put on a pedestal next to a "Bulletproof" diet representative because of this reason. Mad props for the work you put in at PBN Klaus.

[@georgemarx4655]

I mean, if you live at the top of a mountain in a monastery in Tibet then you probably are not contributing to the environmental damage the same way as a person living in NYC or london...oh and your food choices are a bit more limited.

[@etoatoummhmm6391]

George Marx yeah but that doesn't make it morally correct nor healthy just necessary.

[@stephss]

Mr. Aspery is a perfect representation of most omnis/carnists. As soon as a non-vegan relizes who we are, they become nutrition experts, ecological experts, and economists. I'm glad to see that the panel was 2-1 in favour of plantbased this time. The looks on the vegans faces when Aspery spews propeghanda and misinformation, is pretty telling. Great video, thank you.

[@Jamiejamjar]

Steph Ss Yes true, and as they say, good is stronger than bad ☺

[@chadleyb79]

Steph Ss Holy shit between the logical fallacies.. assumptive generalizing and spelling errors.. where the fuck do i begin with idiotic comments like this? Its a goddamn feeding frenzy.. but seriously.. may you embrace the darkly dream of light someday and join the intelligentsia.. cheers!

[@jahowardhutchins7409]

Kipp didn't make me vegan Dave did.

[@grant2890]

I was thinking exactly this at 7:46 (i.e. typical desperate propaganda and sweeping statements of omnis - "We have a history of doing it" and "growing soy beans kills a lot of animals"...). OMG! So, I decided to peak at the comments to see if anyone else was shaking their heads. Yours the first comment in the list. Thank you :)

[@BloodFeather]

@Bruce S yet he was not incorrect the nootropic that was referred to here is actually an amphetamine analog so.. yeah.........

[@akuma2892]

Watched this in it's entirety a little bit ago... Asprey is quite the slime ball.

[@gabrielgagne3850]

Akuma a puppet, can’t let the investors down

[@bonjakobsen]

the way keto guy reacts is animalistic

[@Link-ny9xz]

we are animals.. lol

[@MlgDuckies]

@@Link-ny9xz 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@Official-Poker]

@Alisa Ushakova 🥩 🍖 tasty 😋

[@Insight-music]

@@Link-ny9xz “part”

[@samfarhang6738]

I followed ketogenic diet for.almost a year, I lost a lot of weight but I lost a lot of health as well. I am happy I found plant based diet. I feel so healthy. I have enough energy to exercise everyday, I sleep better and wake up fresh every morning.

[@GTSN38]

You lost weight, and you became unhealthy ? I've never heard anyone say that in my life. I can imagine if someone starved to death, they would probably say that, maybe.

[@DaSquareful]

@@GTSN38 you can lose weight from illness if you're body is strained its going to burn resources. Whether a diet is good vegan or omnivorous isnt dependent on how much weight you lose its what is actually happening to your cells to cause that. Look up the ex-vegans who basically made themselves sick on starvation diets because they're only focused on wieght loss.

[@benda777nba]

That's what I hear about keto it is so unhealthy and wish my sis could open her eyes...she put MCT oil in her coffee and I thought yuck

[@KOTAPHYSICS]

@@GTSN38 yeah because most of the weight loss is actually water and not fat ( in the initial stages )...maybe the keto flu stayed with him too long

[@R5123]

Hi Sam, I am late to the party by 3 years, but you should check out How Not To Diet by Dr. Michael Greger. You probably are eating plant based, but it turns out to be a really great way to lose weight since everything is low calorie density, and fiber rich (which means your body has to work harder to process the food and you tend to stay satisfied longer).

[@truefuschniken]

So glad there are people with sense and who care about the planet, animals and health of us all.

[@_TerraRae_]

Awesome Video! keep them coming, I love watching debate critique videos!

[@eelkeaptroot1393]

That bulletproof guy is rather clueless, though he sounds so very self-assured.

[@LisaLightning]

Eelke Aptroot as does everyone who spouts the same nonsense. They did it in the past so we should do it now. Humans 10,000 years ago did it so we should do it. Oh my gosh this guy is so stupid, but the talk shows love him.

[@eelkeaptroot1393]

Yes, ancestors though, history though, cavemen though, protein though, iron, calcium and other minerals though, I've been vegan for over 3 years now I've heard most of those BS-excuses time and time again even in real life. Though the collagen though is relatively rare, perhaps one Mr Bulletproof came up with himself, in particularly mind-boggling since I'm sure cellulite is something that forms typically during caloric restriction, which most of the keto crew need to do in order for it to work.

[@CitrusSimon]

Yes, he sounds very charismatic, he has charisma, very popular salespeople and politicians, artists, etc, have this, or have learned this skill. Someone with a lot of charisma can even sell things that are toxic in the long term to the human body, like animal meat and dairy products. People need to wake up and see through the charisma, and look at what is actually happening.

[@mehi8145]

How ironical... bruh

[@discipleofhermes563]

But what arguments do you have against his? I mean, he probably sounds so self assured because there's a lot of truth to what he says.

[@patrickvanmeter2922]

From the get go we should know Dave is lying. As a vegan for four years I think it is at the very least, close to being impossible to get fat eating fruit and veggies. Even with avocados. I don't know about anyone else but I know I have tried. I just can't eat that much. He also said he had no energy. That makes sense. I would be tired also if I was eating 24 hours a day.

[@jdiddy27]

Oh My kale..... this bulletproof guy is absolutely insane...

[@plantbasedsenior8622]

Bulletproof Keto is such a con job. Good job, Kip and Joel.

[@davidkarpik4216]

@David McCarthy If the consumption of your beloved animal carcasses didn't extinct all of your remaining brain cells, look up Patrik Baboumian, a vegan weight lifter and strongman, and say "hey, beta" in his face next time you face him. I bet, your micropenis went back into your body just by the thought of that. You're welcome.

[@mikaelruskie3023]

Why is Dave Asprey not slim and kinny ? he looks high on pot or other drugs ; look at his face ! his B.S. coffee is not working .....He's looks 10 years older than his age...Dave Asprey has aged so poorly...on his high fat meat diet ! Not trying to be mean, just pointing out that a diet low in antioxidants and fiber doesn't help you age well. This man is a narcissist with a big ego and does it with a smile ...If anyone mentions anything on Dave Asprey podcast, he talks about himself and how he use to be fat. He has many boring guests, people that obviously paid to be on bulletproof podcast (Yes you pay 20k to be on it). Or he talks about new gadgets that are a waste of money, saying he uses them everyday in his routine ... which is obviously a lie.He keeps on talking about 40 years of Zen, but you can see it doesn't work! Because if it did, Dave wouldn't be so full of himself. This is not the biohacking movement anymore coming from him. It's just a sales pitch. The books Dave Asprey writes is filled with dubious claims based on little evidence or " cherry picked studies" that are "taken out of context". The author, Dave Asprey, vilifies healthy foods and suggests part of the way to achieve a "pound a day" weight loss is to buy his expensive, "science-based" Bulletproof products.Almost every fad diet-book starts with a compelling personal narrative.a..Dave asprey always says "The best way to lose weight is by buying my special products!" In Asprey's food categorizations, many of the items that rank as most healthy are his own branded products: Bulletproof Brain Octane, Bulletproof Chocolate Powder, Bulletproof Ghee, Bulletproof Whey, et cetera. Alarm bells should go off any time someone claims that you should buy their expensive products for your diet. Especially when the products come with miracle promises, like Asprey's Unfair Advantage, which he suggests will help your body grow new mitochondria (the energy powerhouses of the cells). There's BULLSHIT EVERYWHERE all around us! The best skill you can learn is to filter the good from the bad, and never buy into anything all the way. That holds true for internet gurus and mainstream medicine alike. 1--->As soon as someone says he would live to 180 years old, red flag is flying in my mind..This man is a professional con-artist sales man. 2- -->If fat is so good for testosterone why does Asprey injection testosterone ?.------>debunked !

[@kyleread2524]

I was laughing out loud at Asprey. There’s no way he believes that stuff, just trying to sell books. Too funny. I needed that. Kip was awesome as usual. Loved the video. Thanks.

[@GTSN38]

Yeah, and what is kip selling ?

[@carlisleevans6018]

all vegetarian do not eat soy and tofu they were wrong about that did they want to go into science the human body's alkaline you need alkaline to survive that's only come from plants and vegetables meat does nothing for a body I always say eat like a god not like a beast whoever you pray to if they come down here right now they not going to cut open their own creation for another creation SMDH...

[@rebeccamarchand-smith2037]

I am so glad you uploaded this so I could get a synopsis... because I could not watch that talk.... the nonsense from that Asprey dude was just infuriating! Also Dr. Kahn won hands-down. His most recent interview on the Rich Roll podcast is great too!

[@paulinafunfit4126]

Rebecca Marchand-Smith Agreed 100% 👊

[@sonja4164]

Agreed

[@unlockyoursoulmemory4199]

yes, you are so right and thank you for mentioning this podcast, I will check it out

[@indorock]

Yes Dr. Kahn on RRP was very enlightening! Also he kept on mentioning that Italian doctor, Dr. Longo, I must learn more about him as well!

[@mariaangelova8275]

The Bulletproof guy doesn't have any sound science to back up his claims OMG! He is so misguided.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Maria Angelova but there are a ton of other doctors out there that are growing if not way bigger than these plant-based doctors that do have the science behind them

[@imaresurcher]

he's not misguided, he's guided very well by all that money coming into his bank account

[@mariaangelova8275]

Nelter true that! And unfortunately he's misleading a lot of people. Harming their health.

[@mariaangelova8275]

Keto Home the peer-reviewed studies show otherwise. The healthiest way for humans to live is a whole foods plant based lifestyle.

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Maria Angelova of course you're going to say that

[@zbLoodlust087]

Meat eaters: PROTEIN, FAT, B12 😂😂 Appeal to nature fallacy!!!!! Hahaha

[@bl8947]

I laughed out load when Dave Asprey said the bit about 'shit being dead animals' lol.

[@angela_somanythings5670]

belinda lambert- Yeah, I have Never Heard THAT ONE before , and lol, wt ?! So funny!!

[@kirogurl]

All this said...but who actually looks healthier? Plant eaters for the win. Just Google vegan athletes....

[@joelleaittama1416]

Whole Food Plant Based and nutrient dense got rid of my anxiety.

[@Arishu666]

Just because someone looks healthy doesn't make them healthy... Look at any athlete and they will most likely look healthy. For example body builders that eat a lot of animal products. They look healthy, but the plaque in their arteries starts to build up.

[@kirogurl]

Joelle Aittama right! I feel so much more peaceful and my joint pain disappeared. My skin cleared up and I lost weight..😆🏋

[@kirogurl]

kind yes of course for sure someone can look seemingly healthy. However plant based eaters are not filling I hospitals and not are the suffering from the diseases that meat eaters deal with like heart disease, type 2 diabetes, gout and more. But yes I stand corrected in your statement. :😁

[@kirogurl]

Joshua Metzner you are totally right...but plant based eaters are not the ones filling hospitals or taking copious amounts of pharmaceuticals. But yes we should not base someone's health solely on how they look. Thank you for correcting me. 😁

[@tinyhouseatknottypines6754]

Thank you for your work! Plant-based News ROCKS!

[@thafeline6671]

Do people really believe this guys BS??!? Mind blasting!!!

[@agataewakonecka-baller8462]

I also get. emotional watching these debates. Perhaps because at the back of the head it is always ethical issues behind ones dietary choices. I am a happy healthy 54 year old vegan. Long term vegetarian before that. Thank you for the video!

[@crazypolishvegan7369]

I wonder when all off these meatheads going to understand that plant based diet is the win win for all of us?

[@crazypolishvegan7369]

A richtig B flsch yeah I know, I did that for 30 years myself :) But for the last 5years I'm vegan and I still can't get it, why they don't understand. Patience is the key... The sooner they'll change their behaviour the better. I do believe world one day will become vegan and I really can't wait for that ❤️

[@adisk387]

LMAO

[@thecarrotindustry7521]

Maybe the meat is clogging the arteries that go to the brain causing impaired function. Fortunately you can eat more veggies to remedy this, remember the more the merrier. Stay rooted, my friends!

[@sneesus98]

CrazyPolishVEGAN I'm a former (hardcore) vegan and YES I did do the diet correctly, I went three years and received mild benefits for the first 6 months, eventually developed a mix of awful health conditions, the only thing that helped me heal and gave me my life back was meat, for the record, I never enjoyed meat or the taste nor do I think that killing animals is okay, I still view them as equal to me, the reality is that I would have fallen into a coma and possibly died eventually had I not changed. I'm all for the idea of animals not deserving this but I very much dislike when people lie or claim saying the vegan diet is suitable for everyone. Wrong! some people (I'm not saying most, just some) cannot function on a plant based diet, this is a reality and I've seen it all over the world in my travels. Please don't misinform people, it can be dangerous

[@smingjr]

CrazyPolishVEGAN how is it a win if you become overweight. And have insulin resistance

[@anitaramani5584]

Thank you for putting out such good content! Incredibly informative.

[@skiaddict08]

Wow plants are made out of animals and poop? But animals aren't made of plants, they're made out of animals too? hmmm

[@WardieWard]

Yeah like elephants, gorillas, horses etc etc all eat meat regularly.

[@skiaddict08]

They must since they fertilize plants...lol omni fail.

[@Vanessa-bk4nv]

And according to Dave, poop is also made of animals! By this logic, you'd think vegans and cows for that matter, couldn't poop. So where does manure come from then? His comments are such pure nonsense.

[@mulligatawnysoup9281]

I think people like David Asprey are really dangerous.

[@kreassiva9138]

We dont think, we know it for fact

[@karahamil3657]

When I did keto my joints were inflamed and always in pain... WFPB pain went away in two weeks!!! I lost40 lbs where keto I lost nothing ... keto has my cholesterol up sky high.. WFPB down ! It’s a no brainer... WFPB wins

[@sophieatkinson64]

Kara Hamil I’ve not had success with keto either

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Kara Hamil I have been low carb keto for almost 8 years and I usually come on to the vegan channels and talk respectively because I run through people that want to do vegan keto people that want to be vegan people that want to do regular keto and I teach them whatever they want but your experience is not normal because a ketogenic diet is a very anti-inflammatory diet, the inflamation doesn't typically come from animal products, the vegan main point with animal products and the signs that you guys talk about is more leading towards arterial sclerosis inflamation actually comes from genetically modified grains refined carbohydrates and sugar

[@fullcend-tkm73]

Sophat I've lost a hundred twenty pounds on keto and I continue to get healthier and healthier. I've had lpp2 test all my lipid panels and stuff done my regular blood work done nothing ever comes back bad

[@crosswind76]

I was the OPPOSITE... *reduced* joint pain on *Autoimmune Paleo* diet, but got Joint Pain increase on plant based vegan, especially when eating Grains, Nuts, high histamine foods (tomatoes), Nightshade plants & spices. I avoid Soy, Yeast and High Oxalate foods & eat a Low Histamine & Low salicylate diet. High fruit Vegan diet was the only vegan diet I could tolerate, but my Micronutrient Lab test ordered by my ND, showed I was deficient in several nutrients, so I had to change my diet.

[@karahamil3657]

Keto Home red meat is highly inflammatory! It made my body ache and my cholesterol sky high !

[@SQLUniversity]

You crank out some fantastic videos, please keep them coming!

[@rebeccaallen9917]

Do you have a version of this debate without the cuts and comments? I love it, but I would like to share the uncut video to non-vegans. Thank you for all you do!

[@wendyd.beamish8286]

Dave is disappointing. I am not sure if he really believes what he is saying. The sad thing is that Dave is dangerous. Great video, Plant Based News!

[@TeodorVasile]

2:14 hahaah dude, you guys forgot to put the "thug life" glasses and joint :))

[@jimjenhildreth4299]

Thanks for posting!

[@RyanKearnsLoveFoodLifestyle]

Great video! Thank you for making this.

[@monicaolsson7608]

Great content as always from this chanel. Looking very cold Klaus 😊❄

[@PaulLongva]

When I see these debates (I think Asprey is having a mass debate) I keep thinking about Gandhi's quote "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

[@sparkleafter50]

It is interesting that when one sits on the outside and views this there are quite a lot of similarities between each speaker. It was a really good debate that has helped me to better understand the diverse perspectives on this subject.

[@stereosteve7892]

thank you guys, great summary

[@toygummybear9397]

That’s funny because my mother always ate grass fed meat but the minute she got cancer she was told never to touch an animal product and to go vegan

[@thomaskeets3194]

toy gummy bear you can’t just blame the meat. Place it in context, what else was in your mom’s diet? What was her chemical exposure? There can be multiple factors.

[@toygummybear9397]

Thomas Keets you’re missing the point, she was told not to eat meat after she got cancer because meat feeds cancer .

[@thomaskeets3194]

toy gummy bear toy gummy bear No, that is my point! Meat does not feed cancer, glucose does! That’s why a ketogenic diet would be more healthy and beneficial. Cancer cells run on glucose, they need glucose to live they can’t work or live using ketones, which is what your body uses when you have placed yourself in a state of ketosis. Look up, Logan Sneed on youtube. He had stage 4 brain cancer which the doctors told him is incurable and that he had a year to live after two years starting a ketogenic diet he is still alive and is living with NO cancer! Once anyone is diagnosed with cancer they need to be on a Ketogenic diet to reverse it!

[@toygummybear9397]

Thomas Keets yeah whatever :) not going to argue , dairy meat and eggs are extremely unhealthy, it’s up to you what you do with your life .

[@thomaskeets3194]

toy gummy bear I never said dairy is healthy! In fact, I don’t eat dairy. Meat and eggs don’t cause cancer that is just plain propaganda! You’re correct, you can’t argue with science. Best of health :)

[@stars0979]

agree with Maria, no real expertise, no science back up, he's so off. Plant-based is the way to go for everyone and the world

[@jesscook026]

Hi! I love these videos, y'all are awesome. The video of Dr. Garth Davis taking down those buffoons on "the Doctors" is down for copy right reasons I guess. I watch and recommend that vid all the time. Where else can I find it?

[@Julesmcwaffle]

I love Kip Anderson!!!❤️

[@dalturbo]

Bro weren't you cold?!? You need a big hug lol great content as usual

[@SilkeRosenbusch]

It just amazes me, that someone like Dave Asprey, who has a degree in computer information systems, think he know medical science better than a cardiologist!😳

[@bennyl7224]

It’s more interesting when cardiologists disagree. Those types of interactions are more prevalent on YT now. Kahn obviously is still a vegan.

[@andrestrains]

This was one of my favorite debates ever.

[@regipearce92]

Love your channel. Keep up the great work.

[@molly104]

There should be a specific word for when you hear too many slimy, illogical things at once and throw up in your mouth and aspirate your own vomit. I'm calling it Asprey-ation

[@YourVeganFriendTonia]

Klaus you are a rockstar! Great video!!!!

[@wethetreeple3661]

Vegan In Michigan sup from south lyon!

[@PatriotsConnectProject]

I really enjoyed how you showed the highlights so I didn't have to watch the whole thing. Thanks so much. Great job! And that would be a good question to get answered--why does Dave Asprey get so much coverage? follow the money?

[@BlueBetaPro]

That Bulletproof guy is fucked. That guy is what selling your morale for profit looks like, and he knows it. He didn't really disagree with Kip Anderson and the doctor, probably because he knows that they are right, or maybe he just is that disconnected from reality.

[@Dana-ev9fi]

This was painful to watch. I can't believe how many people have jumped on the bulletproof bandwagon, and that bone broth has become mainstream. For every person I talk to who is the slightest bit open to being vegan, there are 5 who are hard core meet eaters and "carbophobes". Would love to see a debate with James Aspey and Dave Asprey.

[@huntsman528]

I don't even know what bulletproof is, but yeah low carb is prob the healthiest option for Americans on the Standard American Diet (SAD).

[@robertcohen8554]

Most people are dumb and will never be vegan no matter what.

[@LouisGedo]

Facts and logic destroys carnist nonsense every time

[@sophieatkinson64]

Great debate . Issues raised are ones I’ve been struggling with. Just wish Joel Kahn could explain exactly how to get sufficient plant based collagen as that’s defo something I’m lacking bcos of vegan diet

[@molly104]

AMAZING biology logic that because we are made out of animals we should eat animals, not plants. There are no words. As a biologist I feel mentally violated.

[@jprice_]

5:15 the best fresh argument carnists came up with, in 2018

[@tobyhdr]

If animals have to eat animals to replace their animal stuff, how does Mr Asprey explain the existence of herbivores? And he later goes on to say that plants eat animals. Meaningless, empty drivel he appears to find entertaining. To me he comes across as a self-important fool.

[@enix5000]

Can we get some MD debate between Ketogenic diet and Plant based? Like Dr Barry vs Kip etc?

[@julietterepole1449]

Great video! Klaus please introduce your doggo!!! :)

[@PLANTBASEDNEWS]

haha great suggestion!

[@razpootis5802]

Dave isn't there to have a logical discussion, He's there to sell himself and his product and by proxy make himself look good.

[@reachtrita]

Plant based debates like this is very helpful for people to learn. And many people are interested about what is the best for health. Confronting the myths and questions in debates is a great way to make an impact. We need more amazing people out there to share correct information. There’s a doctor on FB who cured her lupus with the Vegan diet and helping others as well. Her husband is a vegan body builder and they have a vegan child. They’d make a great example and would be able to share great information if given opportunity.

[@patrickknowles7546]

I wish I could find a way to implement a vegan diet where I don’t end up starving and then going crazy eating. Bulletproof allows true appetite control for some people that plant based doesn’t provide. If someone can offer me a better idea - I’d love to hear it.

[@MagnumEDU]

Great video!

[@TheRoarWithin]

Great video mate. Very good debate.

[@PlantbasedAthlete]

This Asprey clown, I can’t ugh

[@veganfortheanimals6994]

I hear ya

[@FuzzFace80]

Hahaha. He's an absolute moron

[@elissadavis5657]

PlantbasedAthlete True that P B A!!

[@paulinafunfit4126]

PlantbasedAthlete ... I couldn’t either... 😥He’s sounded deceitful... Like a charlatan or a questionable car salesman 👨‍💼 I removed his book from my book library on the Blinkist platform. 🙏

[@sonja4164]

PlantbasedAthlete 😂😂😂😂

[@n.montague743]

“We have a very long history of eating animals...” uh, wrong. We have a very SHORT history of eating animals. We have a very long history of being a frugivorous species, which is in fact what we still are 100%. That guy is so far off the mark it’s scary.

[@144Donn]

Keep up the GREAT work at PBN!! I always find them stimulating and thought provoking.

[@nozlrecordingsuk]

Great video! Thanks for sharing :-)

[@marywilliams2129]

Awesome. Kip is the perfect gentleman, as always he wins

[@ward_jl]

Aren't you cold outside Klaus? It seems like it is freezing. Must have a strong immune system

[@JH-nb6nw]

He must've eaten some animal products, how could plants keep him warm with these temperatures! /s

[@MrMimlet]

It's from all that kale he's been eating

[@1ncandescence]

Vegammune system .

[@sowhat...]

Chen obviously you wouldn't know.

[@RobertCHood]

Draw Me a

[@pdude1911]

GREAT work, PBN!

[@jhptsdx6275]

The doctor was super relaxed, get the point across talk the science. Loved it.

[@Jamiejamjar]

Good debate! There's collagen in vegan food too (Irish Moss). There's no fibre in animal meat. Our intestines are long and made for plants to travel through, unlike a carnivores. PS. The vegan keto diet is too constipating.

[@papparocket]

An old old tradition from pre-scientific days is called sympathetic magic where if you wanted to have some aspect you went out and ate, wore or possessed something that had that aspect. So if you wanted to be brave you would eat the heart of a lion, if you wanted to be strong you would eat the muscles of an ox and by so doing take some of their spirit magic for yourself. So by this primitive worldview if you want collagen in your joints to keep them supple and pain free, then you need to eat the collagen of some other animal so you can appropriate their good joint magic.

[@Jamiejamjar]

papparocket Hehe, yes primitive is the word when all they had was symbolism and hope. Science has replaced so much and religion is dying along with the meat industry.

[@cognitive_dissident]

Vitamin C helps in the production of collagen. And we all know where vitamin C comes from. Plants! Not animals.

[@replenishrewire4758]

So we are supposed to eat indigestible fibre? Rather than meat which is completely digested and used by the body?

[@replenishrewire4758]

Vegan Cheesus Meats, especially liver and organ meats have far more vitamin c than any plant.

[@vanessagilovich9545]

I almost accidentally disliked this video because Asprey is so infuriating! Great video as always, Klaus.

[@livingincrete7157]

true!

[@jasia8158]

Thank you for all you do! Love it!

[@voswouter87]

I was hoping for a more recent debate, but better than nothing.

[@shaykespeeer7040]

Some of these animal products promoters should be going to prison. jmo

[@mango5673]

Shayke Speeer no they should go to hell.

[@MarkPiggy79]

They, should go vegan instead of hell or prison.

[@mango5673]

Paid advocates for meat industry telling all our kids to be carnist... you really think they would go vegan? Let's be honest. They can go to hell.

[@MarkPiggy79]

+Mango Sorbet Yeah, I'd much rather convert them vegan.

[@mango5673]

Mark Pignataro well... try talk to them. They'll laugh in your face and tell you to get your facts right. Convert the people.. and rebuke the devils pawns.

[@wholefoodplantbasedcookingshow]

Way to lay it down Kip! His calm demeanor is very refreshing in comparison with Dave’s obvious defensiveness. It was great that Kip and the other Dr. got to debunk each point that Dave was trying to make 👍

[@alexandrarodriguez6279]

Just subscribed. Thank you for posting this. I think the issue of plant based diets vs all others is more than just a health issue in a physical sense. There has to be a certain level of compassion, love and sense of oneness that awakens in their heart to decide to make the change and then of course do it correctly according to where they are on their path (physical, mental, emotional, spiritual). I understand the feeling of anger and injustice a lot of vegans have when others can't or don't see the evil they are contributing to but the fact remains that by attacking non plant based eaters will only do the opposite of what changes you want to see made. All of us are contributing to some sort of evil whether we see it or not. What I've learned through mediation is to as much as possible walk in a spirit of unconditional love, compassion and mercy towards myself and others and yes observe and acknowledge what does not serve us as individuals and as a whole and then let it go and focus and work towards the goal in a gentle way that flows, like water. Bring awareness, have conversations, give options but ultimately the free will/choice on any matter is up do the individual. The mechanical laws of the universe, one being the law of karma is constantly in motion. We get what we put in and that means energetically too so if we attack we are only hurting ourselves. We need to remember that most of us were once at that lower vibrational and less empathetic and loving level and each of us are on our own path and our timing will be different. Patience, love, compassion and mercy for all. Namaste.

[@Vanessa-fs7oz]

I wanted to watch that "epic" what the health debate and apparently now it's been blocked 🧐 does anyone know anywhere else it may be viewable?

[@NikiFan-Damily]

The notification on my phone popped and said "Google debate 2018: Plant-based vegan vs Bull." I thought it was going to say bullsh** . I laughed.

[@lebreab114]

The amount of rubbish and utter non-scientific bullshit sprouting out of Asprey’s mouth is simply mind-boggling! However, I’m not worried. Mankind is slowly but certainly and surely waking up and people are becoming vegans by hundreds and thousands. Enlightenment and intelligence will not be stopped, no matter how desperate the flesh eaters will paddle 😉 Danke, Klaus, für das Video!!! 👍😺

[@themyrtlewoodshomestead9371]

Interesting 84% of Vegetarians and Vegans Return to Meat (According the Humane Research Council). I wonder why? I’ll leave you with this quote “if you have a truly good idea you don't have to force it on others they will simple steal it” -Chinese Proverb-

[@innerpeacemeditationandrel7709]

​@@themyrtlewoodshomestead9371 love this!

[@themyrtlewoodshomestead9371]

@@innerpeacemeditationandrel7709 Thank you 🙏🏾

[@Nutririana]

PLEASE as an non native english speaker its hard to get the words right, and the auto captions from YT sucks... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE could some one of the PBN team review them, i'm not asking to make spanish one as i know that's a pain in the neck, but at least have the english one corrected.

[@juanaviles7164]

I am so anxious to go plant based diet. Looking forward

[@emma-siobhanventer7581]

Okay but are you recording in the snow?😂

[@akuma2892]

Like a boss.

[@ConscientiousOmnivore]

Another awesome video Klaus! Kip is great and glad to see him put this bullet clown in his place.

[@ConscientiousOmnivore]

Hi Marie-Paule, I'm glad you liked it :-) If the stakes weren't so serious, I would just be laughing at these people all day. Like, how can anyone take him seriously?

[@paulinafunfit4126]

Conscientious Omnivore Indeed🙏🙏

[@likesfruits8698]

Nice one Klaus.

[@onassismothoa1561]

why wouldnt you link the original video in the description?