Gorgias - The Socratic Dialogue by Plato

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@longcastle4863 10 ай бұрын

There should be an Oscar for such a reading.

@Platochidi 9 ай бұрын

I agree

@christinadahdah9556 8 ай бұрын

rite.

@Platochidi 5 ай бұрын

Shows were we are at. I hope more than anything it's a test of some sort. Otherwise we are in so much trouble for reading this. Some day they will try and burn the books and then burn us.

@darillus1 5 ай бұрын

@@Platochidi what?

@TheKingsTimeMachine 4 күн бұрын

For sure

@rudolphbripple6733 10 ай бұрын

Dude my boy Callicles came out spittin! Thought he had Socrates with the folding chair for a second 😵 He’s almost like greek Nietzsche lol

@tobywaller7574 4 ай бұрын

read the selective breeding and the birth of philosophy

@jrb4935 Ай бұрын

Shut up

@EgyptologyLessons 3 ай бұрын

Simply an amazing reading, and a thought provoking dialogue. It helps the reader properly analyze and organize their ideas. This is done in order to find the truth in society with regard of the body and soul. ❤❤

@jonnsmusich 10 ай бұрын

Had to read this in graduate school. Much more pleasure in listening to the argument unfold. Thanks. Socrates as the greatest Sophist of them all.

@metsrus 8 ай бұрын

huge difference is he doesn't accept payment.

@jonnsmusich 8 ай бұрын

Not so huge. It is the epistemology that counts. Not the social morality. @@metsrus

@jonnsmusich 8 ай бұрын

I used to teach first order propositional logic. In a department of Philosophy.@@metsrus

@longcastle4863 6 ай бұрын

Socrates had different goals than the Sophist, imo, and was genuinely looking for answers that would help humankind get along better

@jonnsmusich 6 ай бұрын

@@longcastle4863 Sure. A for effort. He sparked an enduring intellectual itch. Meanwhile Wall Street Lawyers live in mansions and donate to charity . And Corporate Billionaire s build university dorms and labs with their names on them. So nothing has actually changed. All in the name of virtue. Because his sophistry didn't actually work, Plato wrote the Republic - about indoctrinating youth to an ideology in the name of virtue. And Aristotelian ethics is the basis for Christian ideology (prior mythology notwithstanding) So, sure a most admirable character. A pleasure read and ponder....

@KnowsNot 7 ай бұрын

(447a-527e) Gorgias. The dialogue naturally falls into three divisions, to which the three characters of Gorgias, Polus, and Callicles respectively correspond Socrates is deferential towards Gorgias playful and yet cutting with the youthful Polus, ironical and sarcastic with Callicles.

@TheKingsTimeMachine 5 ай бұрын

Back then they were beyond our years in knowledge of everything important ❤

@jasondavis8886 10 ай бұрын

So funny, trying to make the young man understand. Great upload, very engaging.

@christinadahdah9556 8 ай бұрын

thank you 🙏

@darrellee8194 11 ай бұрын

I like the reader.

@TheKingsTimeMachine 5 ай бұрын

Me too: He read it as if he wrote it

@EdoardoInnaro Ай бұрын

Marvelous

@GeorgiaVonnick 9 ай бұрын

Rhetoric is certainly an art, and there is more to this art than mere flattery. Yes, like many other arts, it aims at producing pleasure... But it surely is built upon the understanding of a human nature that is more ignorant than wise, more gullible than discerning, more pleasure-seeking than wisdom-loving. At the end of the day, I regret to inform Socrates, that most people see the value of enjoying life much more than ever see any real value in examining it. Is it real happiness, or only the illusion of happiness that comes from primarily seeking pleasure ? You decide.

@alwaysgreatusa223 11 ай бұрын

Justice is not simply a kind of knowledge, it is primarily an art. Like the boxer, it is not enough simply to know the principles and skills required for the art, one must actually practice the art until it becomes habitual (or second-nature). This was the advance made by Aristotle on the foundation laid-down by Socrates and Plato.

@mojdemarvast2366 11 ай бұрын

Thank You... Art and Knowledge... A knowledgeable Artist, Or An Artistic Scientist..

@sigvardbjorkman 11 ай бұрын

I'm listening

@CodyCannon11 Ай бұрын

Does anyone know the reader(s) names? They did a fantastic job?

@EricsonSWeah Ай бұрын

They did such a marvelous job! I would pay them for their marvelous work to do the same for all the other dialogues!

@CodyCannon11 Ай бұрын

@@EricsonSWeah I agree! I think this group deserves a chance to do more dialogues, and I’d also help pay for it! This was incredible.

@prettyboy311 4 ай бұрын

Socrates says Callicles says what every philosopher thinks but is afraid to say, then accused Callicles of not giving his true opinion "in the name of being consistent", and Callicles says Socrates is doing the same, with no objections from Socrates. Showing Socrates and Callicles both believe in egoism, morality on grounds of pleasure, and idealism, pleasure through the mind and ideas

@TheKingsTimeMachine 4 күн бұрын

Someone please explain 2:45:20

@prettyboy311 4 ай бұрын

1:53:00

@Eudaemoniac 7 ай бұрын

Gorgias was based

@gvan64 10 ай бұрын

What translation is this?

@ZenathD 7 ай бұрын

Benjamin Jowett

@prettyboy311 4 ай бұрын

2:11:40

@jrb4935 Ай бұрын

Socrates was gay.

@RichardGardee-eq9qi 9 ай бұрын

Oscar knows "ONLY"read er ICK....😩😮🪞👁️🤔

@alwaysgreatusa223 11 ай бұрын

@neilvasili8949 11 ай бұрын

most perhaps spend life trying to enjoy it asss they see it, others maybe are more concerned with the nature of enjoyment ,perhaps each brings a form of happiness

@cryptocoin5318 10 ай бұрын

Justice is Wisdom and Factual knowledge: Enlightenment for the mind; rhetoric is Recreational Art and Conceptual knowledge: Pleasure for the masses.

@l.w.paradis2108 9 ай бұрын

The utilitarian J. S. Mill observed that the only people who are able to speak on the issue knowledgeably are the ones who have tried both types of happiness: the happiness that comes from examining one's life, and the happiness that comes from the pleasure of hearing exactly what you want to hear at just the moment when you want to hear it. So, it's not a matter of taking a poll. Hume observed that there is no necessary conclusion you can draw based on what is, to what ought to be. (Mill commented that he, personally, would rather be Socrates dissatisfied than a pig satisfied.)

@alwaysgreatusa223 9 ай бұрын

@@l.w.paradis2108 As a utilitarian, was it not the position of Mill that pleasure alone is the sole good ? If so, would it even matter where one got his pleasure ? I am far from endorsing this utilitarian ideal of the good myself -- that was certainly not my intention. I don't believe pleasure is the only good, or that it matters the amount of pleasure -- as in 'the greatest pleasure for greatest number.' No, that certainly wasn't my intention. But 'dissatisfaction' is more than just a lack of pleasure, and so enjoyment (or satisfaction) is more than mere pleasure as well. I think the point I was trying to make is that philosophy must justify itself by making it clear to men that we can become more than either just satisfied pigs or Socrates unsatisfied. No, if philosophy has any real value at all, it must show us the way to become Socrates satisfied.

@alwaysgreatusa223 9 ай бұрын

@@l.w.paradis2108 I think the other point I was trying to make is that Plato's attempt to disparage rhetoric as not being an art is misguided. Rhetoric is certainly an art -- and it is, like many arts, aimed at producing pleasure and perhaps an aesthetic satisfaction. The larger question is whether or not rhetoric or even art as a whole -- as in Romanticism -- suffices to produce satisfaction with life ? Of course, the same question must not only be asked of rhetoric and art, but of philosophy itself. Can there really be any other justification for any human endeavor than its resulting in a greater satisfaction with life as a whole -- not simply terms of our primal animal pleasure, but in satisfying our human nature as a whole ?

@prettyboy311 4 ай бұрын

2:27:20

@prettyboy311 4 ай бұрын

2:39:30