Gotham Knights Has A Traversal Problem

Gotham Knights has a very big problem with its world traversal. Batgirl, Red Hood, Nightwing and Robin are all very interesting characters, but this game has a lot of problems when it comes to how the superheroes actually get around Gotham City. #gothamknights #gaming #batman
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[@_-Bane-_Main]

I don’t have the slightest clue how Non-lethal piercing rounds work, but it’s hardly the strangest thing they gave Red Hood in this game.

[@DegenerateJay]

The funny thing is somehow I never really gave it much thought, but you're right it kind of defeats the purpose of "piercing." Maybe it enters the body and then immediately dissolves and heals the wound. Source - I made it up.

[@TheGodlyGamerMugen]

Have you ever heard of rubber bullets there’s plenty of non lethal rounds in real life how is it that strange I mean if you are saying the character is usually having normal bullets that kill would that make sense in this game difficulty wise to shoot everyone one shot the game would then be a 3rd person shooter wouldn’t it how much better would u do developing red hood and how would u balance difficulty

[@BowenEros-gt8gn]

​@@TheGodlyGamerMugen he didn't say rubber bullets are weird. He said non-lethal, body-piercing bullets are weird and he doesn't understand how it works. Explain how rubber bullets can be piercing and yet non-lethal? Magic bullets? Oh, ok.

[@anubisperry7234]

@Bowen Eros wanna know how...cuz it's a game and who knows maybe there's tech in this world to make them pierce the clothing and still be rubber....ffs it's a game not real life get over it

[@PerfectTroy1]

😂 Totally agreed. I bought this game (with severely lowered expectations) and I can only play as Nightwing.

[@9Riorichi9]

Robins Cape pissed me off when I first found out he can't glide. I think Red Hood and Nightwing should share the flying trapeze and Robin and Batgirl should both glide with their capes. Would have made more sense to me

[@hughjassman1227]

I feel like they missed a lot of opportunities with this game tbh and a lot of it stems from them trying so hard to be different from Arkham and it came back to bite them on a lot of their choices.

[@BonzerMrT]

The thing is, they already use so much from the Arkham games, they should’ve just committed to the idea

[@celtic19]

What’s so annoying about the we want to be different from arkham thing is they made absolutely no effort to justify it needing it’s own universe. batman technically dead? Arkham ended that way to, Harley Quinn operating without joker? So is arkhams, league operating with a dead raas Al ghoul? So is arkhams, clayface going through a biological change after his last encounter with batman? Could of done that in arkham after city’s ending, Barbara is back as batgirl but she has been oracle still before? May aswell been arkhams. It just feels so silly

[@mr_smilesok1442]

@@thegodzachieveRECYCLED!!!! Bro did not play the Arkham games

[@sheepfly]

​@@thegodzachieve 😂😂😂😂😂😂 you get funnier with every comment.

[@rlira8072]

Red Hood's mystical fart jumps always always make me laugh

[@DegenerateJay]

Honestly with all that Lazarus in him I'm surprised he's not more gassy. What makes me laugh is just how much chemistry Red Hood in particular has with every other woman in the game like he seems like he's into Barbara and Harley and just everybody lol

[@mikejones774]

@@DegenerateJayI mean if you flirt with every woman one of them have got to say yes

[@jaydenlopez8165]

In fairness Marvel’s Spider-Man momentum does have a cap due to performance (as you said, devs must work within what they’re given). That being said, Spider-Man moves much faster within a higher visual fidelity and better performance in comparison to GK. Should also be mentioned that Spider-Man is on a single platform while GK is multi platform

[@robbyk7070]

Real life has a momentum cap depending on your weight etc with terminal velocity but the problem is that the momentum in Gotham Knights is so slow that it feels like it's underwater in my opinion

[@j-asher]

It's multiplatform but all platforms are "next gen" when Spider-Man ran completely fine on PS4, there's no excuse for it to run this bad.

[@robbyk7070]

@@j-asher That's a good point it also looks significantly less graphically impressive than Spider-Man PS4 somehow, let alone the remaster of that game. So somehow this PS5 and series X game looks and runs worse than a PS4 game did on just the PS4.

[@BonzerMrT]

@@robbyk7070 Spiderman would be a lot faster than what’s shown in game. Only a few instances of how fast he can be while moving have ever been showcased

[@aerostrafe1075]

If you want to see a spiderman game with possibly no momentum cap then watch some web of shadows web slinging. You can move so fast in that game once you master a lot of the trick that the city can't load fast enough to keep up with you. Its great.

[@BasketCase420]

Assets sure 😍😍😍🍰 14:52

[@michaeltidwell3376]

I admit I primarily free roam as Nightwing and Robin, only for the reasons you have stated

[@DegenerateJay]

They're so good compared to the other 2 it's unreal

[@babyfirestorm2761]

Love your pfp

[@michaeltidwell3376]

@BabyFirestorm 27 thanks, yours is sick too

[@hextrum8091]

Listening to the cape part of the video where you say "why wear capes if they're not functional" In the game Tim's starting and canon costume doesn't have a cape. He will only wear a cape with the alternate outfits that are not canon. Also in the comics Batman's cape didn't function as a glider at first, it was meant to confuse thugs with guns so they wouldn't know exactly where to shoot.

[@9Riorichi9]

Then make all Robins other outfits not have capes. Sure Batman didn't start gliding right away, but he has a whole bat family now. No way he wasn't gliding at that point. Did the bat family just stare in confusion every time Batman started gliding, because clearly Batman never taught anyone else how to do it.

[@hextrum8091]

@@9Riorichi9 not all of em do have capes. Also just because someone trains you to do something doesn't mean you'll do it the same way as them. Tim might just have his own style. Also tim offered the others a teleported but they refused.

[@9Riorichi9]

@@hextrum8091 Batgirl didn't learn how to glide until that moment and never taught it to Robin or offered it to him. Style whatever. They weren't trained at all is my point.

[@mikejones774]

I mean the real reason Batman has a cape is because at the time capes were just a prime superhero look

[@michaeloneill1360]

My Big Problem is with Batgirl's Traversal Time Trial! Needing some kind of Turbo Booster to Reach some of the Rings!

[@DegenerateJay]

Her glide feels like it's somehow underwater with how slow you end up going. It doesn't even make sense because with how big the cape is moving that speed she would be shot down out of the sky by random criminals too.

[@kylebutler9281]

I liked the traversal for Nightwing but it was so slow. Robins is just the best but somehow they made Batgirls one of the worst. It's weird cause the blueprint was right there with Arkham.

[@9Riorichi9]

That's probably what bothers me the most. They had the blueprints to make Batgirl feel like Batman. At least with traversal. Somehow this is what we got. I feel like they could have cut a distract or two from the map and maybe that would help with the speed of the game.

[@9Riorichi9]

@@thegodzachieve I expect Batgirl to move like Batman not fly. I just said that. Can you read? Yes cut districts. Them things were boring to explore.

[@9Riorichi9]

@@thegodzachieve you haven't played Batman if you think Batgirl moves anything like Batman.

[@Whiteobamas]

@TheGODz Achieve lmaooo this dude dumb as hell 💀

[@9Riorichi9]

@@thegodzachieve again. You have to be dumb to think Batgirl actually glides anything like Batman. They don't move or feel the same. The game moves like you're under water. Cutting those boring distracts would have helped them make the game run better. Defend the game all you want. It has faults. If it was perfect it would have reviewed better.

[@Ski_Mask_Scandal]

I wish nightwing had a wing suit instead of a fortnite glider

[@scootymaster5256]

Robins movement is so bad for traversal but at least it can be useful for stealth by teleporting above someone. But that’s not really a plus when it’s not fun to go from point A to point B as Robin

[@DegenerateJay]

Honestly the reason I actually think Robins is good is because it saves time for having to drive around so many buildings with the worlds slowest batcycle, but I guess good is relative when I don't find any of them actually well done more just... less badly done than others.

[@scootymaster5256]

@@DegenerateJay it just wasn’t engaging for me. You just hold the button and move a cursor around basically. It is a very free movement with little drawback but I never found it “fun”. Increase the speed and I’d have no issue cuz it does help a lot with stealth which is really cool

[@lil_proximo7]

One issue I feel upset with is that the world doesn’t feel real/ you don’t feel immersed in it. I loved the previous games because I felt a part of the world. Oh and I dislike games that have enemy levels above their heads. Distracting and unnecessary

[@Marc.c03]

I am enjoying the game so far but i do agree on the traversal. I've only used nightwing but it feels weird at times and the whole thing of dropping from something, picking yourself up from a ledge or moving foward at times still bothers me cause it's like it doesn't respond at times. Besides that it is enjoyable but i do hate the villain plot twist

[@BasketCase420]

Gotham knights really needed more time. There's ao much wrong with it. People,myself included, were hard on Arkham Knight but Gotham Knights make Arkham Knight look so much better.

[@BasketCase420]

*,SO

[@_omicidio]

when you were speaking about traversal with the hero’s i was thinking about nightwings little hang glider thingy and they should’ve given him the wings that he has in the newer comics. i feel like that would’ve been fun

[@9Riorichi9]

Am I the only one running into this crouch glitch. Sometimes when I crouch I move much slower than usual. Crouch and uncrouch usually fixes it but it happens a lot and it's annoying when trying to stealth.

[@QTRemnant]

I totally agree with the whole cape thing. Tbf to Tim though, his base design/in canon design (before knighthood) is the new guard outfit. I'm not exactly sure how it would work, but I personally would've given dick or Tim the ability to swing with their grapplers. They did it a lot in older comics and still continue to do so sometimes, so I don't think it'd be that strange. Obviously won't be on the same levels as spider man.

[@davidamaro1394]

True even in the animated series they shoot the grappling hook first then they swing down onto the thugs. Batman is the only one who I’ve seen in animation or Arkham games master his mobility with it in combat in all platforms including comics.

[@lordofthesithvader9430]

Honestly, they both need a Just Cause mechanic. Jason should've gotten boots like Cad Bane from Star Wars.

[@lil_proximo7]

I had hope for this game even after the reviews. But I can’t push through it. I hate the combat, it’s too repetitive and slow. Traversal is meh. Bat cycle is pathetic. And from what I heard, the story is mediocre and predictable. I love ALL the previous games but I just don’t think I can do this one. The fact that is technically unfinished is not something I will let them get away with. This game has been worked on for YEARS. I’m salty I paid for the deluxe of this

[@SlickZero1028]

There’s so much when it comes to this game that is indefensible. This is one of them. But of course, people still will.

[@killuafanboy3812]

I had the most fun as Robin. I did wonder why Robin never gets the ability to glide, but his teleportation ability is still fun to use.

[@terry2295]

I think WB Montreal should have scaled back their ambitions like Rocksteady did back in 2009 with BAA. The mediocre movement would be less noticable in a smaller open-world and I think it would also help with the empty lifeless feel this version of Gotham suffers from.

[@dime1012]

I bought it for 40$ on Black Friday deal, played it for a couple days and haven’t touched it since. & Nightwing is my 2nd fav superhero behind Batman. And I do like the bat family and I loved the Arkham series, and open world action games. This should’ve been a home run for someone like me💀. The action is mainly just so ‘nothingness’ to me. Especially when contrasted with the combat of one of my other games Ghost of Tushima, which has legendary video game action imo.

[@beeppoopman8566]

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[@DegenerateJay]

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[@beeppoopman8566]

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[@Bloxwess]

I definitely agree that the traversal felt like a chore that you had to complete to get from area to area. It also didn't help that at the time I first played through the game on PC, there was a bug that caused the game to crash right after using the fast travel, so I was stuck basically just using the batcycle and character specific traversal options.

[@willbrooks7474]

Night wing has a fortnite glider when he's always since the the 90s animated series he's had a glider suit built in his suit

[@AnthonyOlan]

11:07 not that this really helps too much but gliding after a dive bomb will get you a little bit more height if you continue to hold back on the analog stick. And the gliding with momentum works better if you just use the left stick to dive and pull up, but still not on the same level as Arkham knight

[@2l84me8]

They spent all their assets onto Batgirl’s.

[@shinecomics]

I was thinking of buying this whenever I get my PS5 but the gameplay just doesnt have me sold. The combat looks slow and stiff, and it literally takes away EVERYTHING that i loved about the Arkham combat. Like you said, the Transversal elements of the game look slow and boring, and from what Ive heard the story isnt the greatest either. Guess Im going to have to stick to the Arkham games lol

[@mr.pigstashe988]

Traversal was my main complaint about the game. The Bat-cycle was the worst of it all though. The drift mechanic wasn't that good, or maybe I had a skill issue, but I struggled with the race courses so much in Gotham Knights because of how bad the Bat-cycle was. I would give the controls a little tap to make the bat-cycle go where I want, and it'd look like it was going to go where I wanted it to go, and then suddenly I'm just not where I want to go. Trying to drive the bat-cycle is the source of most of my raging during any game I've ever played, I've never raged so much before. But like you said, the traversal in general is pretty slow. My second complaint is how each character felt with the story. The story was pretty decent, but the way each character interacted with the story didn't feel that canon. Nothing really felt personal to the characters besides the ending, and the little cutscenes each character had with each other. Other than that though, nothing really felt canon. The experience was still fun besides all the crashes and major lag spikes here and there. Wish I had waited for the performance patches to start playing honestly.

[@celtic19]

•Bat-cycle should of had a booster •Batgirl should of had a grapnel boost for her glide so she has some form of momentum •nightwing should of had grapples put on his escrima sticks so he could swing like a flying Grayson •robins teleport should be triggered from throwing a teleport remote Batarang not just creative mode can be explained that he prefers this to gliding cause it’s better for stealth then being being an open target gliding through the sky •red hood gets the fortnite glider and can get an upgrade so he can shoot whilst hanging it off it because it makes sense for the ranged character to be the one that can fly Fixed

[@imamfn]

14:52 "BUTT"

[@rocketgroot4311]

*honestly saying you can't compare Gotham knights to previous Batman games* *That's like saying you can't compare Spider-Man PS4 to previous spiderman games..*

[@DegenerateJay]

I know but people keep saying it for some reason.

[@anthonygvergara4778]

TBH if they literally doubled the speed of everything I'd be okay with it since the speed would be acceptable

[@paradoxinraindrops141]

Spider-Man was one of the few open world games where I hardly used fast travel. Because movement was actually fun. Anchoring to buildings, you could build and maintain momentum making for really invigorating traversal. Moving around New York felt as involved as any world activity or boss fight & that is super fun. The world size was just right too and that fun factor from moving around, I actually got to know the map much better than I do most open world maps where I just spam fast travel cause I don’t want to drive 10 mins to the next outpost. Gotham Knights (which I do want to pick up and play) the grappling looks stiff. And I honestly think abilities like Robin’s teleport look silly. Even Red Hood, it would’ve been cooler if they leaned into the magic as sort of a hightend Assassin Creed movement system.

[@THerculez]

What bugs me is the speed of all of the traversal. Everything is so slow the grapple, the bike, the gliding, teleporting alll feels so slow. I’m still hoping for a performance patch because I’ve taken a break from the game

[@AintPopular]

trying to find a reason to play this is so hard.

[@BasketCase420]

God this game's glitchy

[@williamedwards4151]

Yeah, I feel like it was the one thing they really should have nailed. But they just kinda...meh'd it. The Arkham games had such great traversal that I would just roll around Gotham as B-Man and have a blast, not even fighting people. Just driving, gliding and grappling. Felt so good. God, those games were so well done. I kinda feel bad for Gotham Knights, it's a tough act to follow, but it just feels like they didn't try, ya know? They treat traversal as a means to end, a way to get to the gameplay. When it should have *been* the gameplay. I totally compare it to the Arkham games. And the Spider-Man games. Even Avengers (Traversal in Avengers wasn't that bad. You got to fly around as Iron Man. Come on.) It's a superhero game and they're the ones playing off that genre. So, they might as well invite the comparisons.

[@immersivecomics1603]

Feel like they could have just done a Spiderman type swinging mechanic with the grappling hook for nightwing or red hood. Sure it would be a clone but it would make more sense Also Dick being an acrobat really fits that type of traversal with maybe even a parkour mechanic like AC or Spiderman I think the glider made more sense for Jason or Tim. Dick is agile and fast so his traversal should fit that

[@DegenerateJay]

Completely agree. Nightwings traversal when he is grappling is a bit more acrobatic and then when he's on the glider he's just sitting there which flies in the face of his other movement.

[@shahiydsomakah8117]

I wish it was a clone,you are 100% right tho,they should have put you on the development team,would it be possible for them to still put this in the game with a update?they should just add that swinging mechanic from Spiderman and take out that jumping mechanism for red hood

[@cristiancarbajal2119]

I think Robin should have gotten his own set of wings, and Red Hood should have gotten the teleporter

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

Look at this dude working those thumbnails like an ASMR girl.

[@DegenerateJay]

As I should haha!

[@Vansbaseball]

Okay now you got me wanting to play(or replay in the case of Arkham Asylum) the trilogy just to see how the Batmobile functions in the trilogy because I never really thought about this...but then again I also want to get this game just to actually see if its as "Mid" as everyone thought

[@chrismorrison5301]

This game has worse optimisation than Cyberpunk did at launch. Cyberpunk for the most part ran on last gen consoles with drops fairly similar to this game on current gen. They had to cancel the last gen versions of Gotham Knights because it was literally unplayable.

[@multiverse-collection]

Nightwing &Robin have the best travel

[@Mr.DelicateTouch]

Barbra’s buns tho😫

[@RainMakeR_Workshop]

Should have just given Red Hood his gauntlets from the comics that let him glide. But for some reason then insisted they are distinct from each other.

[@MJWP2334]

This might be unpopular but to me the bat cycle handles better than the batmobile in arkham knight, but thats just me.

[@bonobo84]

Might sound odd but I wish they took out the gliding completely and had the bike/grappling/On foot as the main way to get around

[@rottensquid]

Game designers still seem not to understand that, for an open world game, traversal should be as much the meat of the game as combat, or puzzle-solving, or whatever else. Open world games are still relatively new, and developers are still designing them the same way they design "on rails" games, in that traversal is just the part leading up to the next game engagement, or the means of solving a maze, or whatever. But on-rails games are designed around knowing exactly how much distance there is between engagements. So designers don't think about keeping the player entertained with travel itself, because they can control exactly how long it goes on, and script stuff to keep the player engaged during that time. So it doesn't matter if travel itself is just pressing the "walk" button. There's always something else happening. But for open-world games, running back and forth between quests or errands isn't strictly controlled by the designers. Now, the bulk of game hours are just spent holding down "walk." Designers have tried to fix this by breaking up long distances with more engagements, but that just makes getting where you want to go take even longer, padded out with meaningless and repetitive interruptions. That doesn't help at all. What games need to do is make traversal so enjoyable and "gamey" that players want to do it just to do it, just like with combat or any other aspect of the game. In the Arkham games, combat and steath are engaging enough that challenge maps offer a chance to do just that. But when Arkham Knight came around with the offer of Batmobile challenge maps, they were profoundly lackluster in comparison, because just racing around the city in that ungainly car wasn't interesting enough on its own. Learning to glide and boost perfectly was significantly more engaging. And yet, I feel that these aspects didn't quite get the attention and care that combat and stealth got. Getting around got stale a lot sooner than those two core mechanics. But at least Rocksteady understood that, once they opened up the world in Arkham City, they needed to make traversal its own game. They just never saw that part on the same level of importance as combat or stealth. But it is. And until designers learn to respect traversal as much as combat or any other game mechanic, it will continue to be the weak link in every open world game.

[@rdomnaispartan3734]

When he started talking about level I IMMEDIATELY thought of AC O

[@purr1463]

Been looking into this game and traversal is one of my top 3 pointers for games. I think I’ll hold out for a bit especially cuz I really want catwoman to be added if that’s possible or In the works. But for redhood specifically they should’ve made his jump ability have a lot of range like one jump and bro has a lot of air time and maybe he could like wall run in the air and do some flips idk something more than just your local kid at jump street. Might have to try Arkham knights.

[@jasonragedcuo3208]

They should have gave them all the grappnel boost and gave NW, BG and Robin the cape glider and gave RH the Lazarus style teleportation. Double the speed of the Batcycle and let us control the fast travel drone.

[@iisanulquiorrahara8]

Traversal, to me, is what often defines whether I want to play an open world more or not. This kind of thing was not an issue in something like Breath of the Wild and Horizon: Zero Dawn. In something like Ghost of Tsushima.. didn't feel great. And then there's Cyberpunk 2077 where I couldn't stand the traversal.. until I got to the motorcycle, which feels unironically fantastic. But nothing has really beaten the grapnel hook and boost in Arkham Knight. Even Marvel's Spider-Man, while feeling arguably just as great to web-sling around, is barely second to me. When matching all of those together, the only two I haven't gotten around to beating yet are Breath of the Wild, because I don't like the combat, and Ghost of Tsushima, because I simply do not enjoy going through the open world to get to the good parts. I can't help but feel like this would be a similar issue I have here with Gotham Knights, even with the amazing view I'd have at all times playing Batgirl.

[@9Riorichi9]

You don't like riding your horse in Ghost and taking in the environment? If not then any completed area becomes a fast travel point and it's super fast. Don't see how getting around in Ghost is a problem. It's super fun and interactive and you're always stumbling upon something to discover or fight.

[@iisanulquiorrahara8]

@@9Riorichi9 I'll be frank, Ghost of Tsushima was not impressive to look at. Honestly, even outside of the traversal, I didn't like anything about my time playing it except for the combat. It's one of those games I consider a chore to go back to when the only real draw of it is swordplay I've enjoyed more in other games where I can use a katana.

[@9Riorichi9]

@@iisanulquiorrahara8 can't agree. It's my game of the year so there is my biased showing, but i can't trust your taste in games if you didn't enjoy Ghost

[@iisanulquiorrahara8]

@@9Riorichi9 I'm not as open to judge someone as you seem to be, but you are entitled to your opinions. For me, this didn't even crack my top 10 of 2020, but it did happen to be a great year for gaming in general, so it could have easily landed there most other years instead, despite aspects I consider shortcomings. It just happened to land in the same year as Nioh 2, so that very quickly overshadowed it as my go-to samurai game. To each their own, yeah?

[@9Riorichi9]

@@iisanulquiorrahara8 Exactly, Nioh 2 is a great, but you don't like Ghost. So you can't be trusted

[@drewgilmore9978]

I’ve asked you on Twitter if the game is worth spending money on, and a video like this really helped put some things to perspective. I’m gonna wait until a few more of your videos come out.

[@9Riorichi9]

It's about $28 on PlayStation rn. For that price it's totally worth it. Wouldn't buy it otherwise.

[@DegenerateJay]

I do think it's fun, but tbh my biggest criticism is that it's a single player game that doesn't seem like it was designed to be single player. It encourages co-op and I've had way more fun doing co-op with Jill than I have playing solo. The world feels a lot more empty without someone else in it at least to me.

[@robertscott1376]

It might be cheap enough, but the time required to play a game like this, would literally be better spent doing anything else

[@drewgilmore9978]

@@9Riorichi9 I have an Xbox One. Lol

[@johanstenfelt1206]

Hm, fair and valid points and opinions, a shame really. I appreciate that you shared this, i wonder if it can still be improved?

[@brandonjauregui9475]

Please do more videos about Gotham knights.

[@trevorsorensen1897]

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[@bytheriverinpeace2301]

They should've incorporated a deep parkour acrobatic system that is somewhat like mirrors edge but in 3rd person of course. All the flips, somersaults, jumping from roof to roof in such a way that gliding / the bike would be only a bonus and not a crutch. Batgirl would've been perfect to use for an in depth parkour system that allows the player to feel like they are moving quickly even if they really aren't, and the framerate won't drop. A nice parkour system would separate the really skilled and novice players. Someone who masters it would have Batgirl zipping through the city using parkour to keep the momentum rising then grappling to a higher platform to continue running and jumping along. Kinda like how the Batman animated series depicted the bat family traversing.

[@BasketCase420]

24:00 lol

[@bigwhopper6501]

Someone worked it out that the bat cycle apparently only goes up to 40mph max speed, which explains why it's so boring to use 😂

[@BrunoCruzBCstudioz]

Imagine if this game had Assassin's Creed like parkour as the main traversal method. Would be amazing

[@Hollywood1127]

How much of the overall comic story was incorporated into the game?

[@bradenhogan2]

Why you CAN compare this to Arkham: because Arkham was a successful formula for superhero games in general, and especially Bat-family games. This was the first Bat-adjacent game to be released after that, and by the same studio. They had to actively choose to the the Arkham series for this game. They could’ve been a derivative of what came before as they wanted. Design decisions, therefore, were made based on the studio’s previous experience and what consumers have come to expect from similar projects. In general, I find that people who complain about you bringing up other games are just afraid of accepting any criticism of a game they like

[@yahc2041]

Now I wonder why Superman has a cape.

[@thatguy2920]

honest opinion they should of just gave him a weaker version of talia's travel ability. We see her using green energy like red hood to move really fast. With her and Jason both using the pit, they should of gave him a similar ability. His jump while cool, is so slow for traveling.

[@roycebunce9373]

I played DCUO last night. Free to play MMO. Different movement powers, one being a Batman inspired Acrobatics moveset. It literally does all of the different Gotham Knights movement abilities better. Gliding, a flight mode, powerful double jumps, and easy to use fluid grapple hook options.

[@taygantownsend2626]

I wish the og suits were in the game without paying more more for the deluxe edition or paying 25 for the pack

[@dogface45]

Fuck it, Jay I appreciate the rant(review) with your very honest opinion and factual statements about another game with potential that ended up being a very disappointing experience.

[@somedorkydude6483]

This is why I'm convinced that the kill the justice league was Warners idea not rock steady because I noticed that if you add microtransactions to gotham knights. The games are scarry similar at a glance. Now kill the justice league isn't out but jeez the traversal has turned into doom eternal

[@MechLock1198]

This is disappointing to hear. I can see the acceleration stop in your footage too. I was planning on paying Gotham Knights at some point, but now I feel like I need to wait until it gets updated to its final form, and who knows how long that will take

[@hushex5150]

They delayed the game by a WHOLR YEAR. And they clearly didn’t focus on the performance. If they had another 5 or 6 months to polish it, it could’ve had a stronger launch

[@ExeErdna]

I know I'm not the only one but for the size of the city you can't be moving that slow. I know the game wants you to deal with street crime more. It just felt like this game has a WORSE ideal of how to play tried to clean it up last minute and what we got is something that needed more play testing. At LEASE they know everything is a bit too slow yet will they fix it, I hope.

[@mushroomhead3054]

I'm playing this tomorrow and if it ends up being good i won't be happy.

[@ashtinjones1158]

He said tim cape is a scarf 😂😂

[@Stefantius]

The game can barely reach 25fps on consoles, of course they make you move around slowly- The game is dog shittedly optimized for sure

[@Tomas_Rog2004]

Nightwing does have the best traversal but the whole concept behind it is so stupid, like Nightwing basically uses spidermans web wings from homecoming to get around in almost every other adaptation

[@rudolphjackson6794]

To be fair, my copy of the game didn’t have any problem traversing it’s way into the trash can.

[@dominicanag1032]

I had high hopes for this Game. It’s on sale for $21 and I’m still debating about getting because of the fps capped at 30 and performance issues. The traversal was another problem I have with the game.

[@isisbarfuss558]

I enjoyed the game too. But I hope there will be some DLC.

[@critagiri]

to be honest Superman has a cape and he doesn't need it to fly but I see where your coming from it is weird that the cape has no function but it could just be a fashion piece idk

[@NEOS3C]

THIS DUDE LOL 😂 14:42

[@Queen-dl5ju]

i dont know why batman doesn't use a drone to fly like this 12:20

[@THATSIMSGUY800]

i do agree the trevalversal in Gotham knights is sluggish compared to Arkham knight acouse it cap 30 frames per second but if you look at Arkham knight which it also cap at 30 frame which came out in 2015 or 14 I can't exactly remember but yes dose in fact run well when it come to batmobile then in Gotham knights batcycle which does feel as great sometime i love Gotham knights idea of going out each night fighting crime on protrol i felt like court of owl story should of been the main focus of the game throwing in League of shadow as main villain was let to me but i don't hate the game for i really enjoy Gotham knights like i said i feel like the story could been written bit better

[@hyperonrex]

I do also agree that the traversal in this game aren’t that good unfortunately with only Nightwing being close to the best and decent traversal from all of the Knights in my opinion

[@GalahadTheSeeker]

I had never felt so tired of the act of moving in a game, everything about this game is honestly mind-boggling.

[@scelonferdi]

Apart from a few things being just bad as you pointed out here, this game's traversal is also held back by grapnel zipping being waaay to good (almost always the best alternative) and thus making evrything else pointless. Parcour in particular is actually decent, but completely overshadowed. For improving the core traversal, the cycle would have to be better, the grapnel drastically limited to min upwards angle and parcour maybe slightly touched up (not that much really). Also give the flying Trapeze limited regenerating fuel so it's used to complement parcour rather than replace it on the acrobat(!!!!!) character.

[@mozuesolympian2988]

The design of this game at its core is flawed. They should of kept it more like arkam with the grappling hook, and added significant Parkour mechanics like AC or mirrors edge. THey could of added swinging with the grapple and the line launcher, to supplement the vehicles. The super powers and the stuff appearing out of thin out like the glider just sucks. Laziness ruined Traversal. It should take effort to get to place to place.

[@frankr2661]

Honestly despite everything I still really like Gotham Knights because I think the pros outweigh the flaws. But the biggest most glaring issue right now is the game is not optimized properly. And yes, they're still releasing patches and updates. As a matter of fact it was downloading one today, and the size of these updates is not small 😬

[@JRMAV1]

The gliding is fine, the leap off of grapple is shit

[@drew6145]

Finally got a ps5 few weeks back and GN was first pick up. I really dig it and don't get the hate. But yeah traversal was a serious weak point. I want to web sling in spidey and glide in arkham...I didn't here. Just used fast travel

[@drew6145]

As a whole I basically found the game 2 steps forward then 1 sometimes 2 steps back. It'd make a greater map, but then there wasn't as many unique singular set pieces. It'd have good locations, but reuse them endlessly. It's combat was fun once got into story but rough at start. It does great at making the roster their own, but strip them down at times to do so. Hopefully they'll keep working on it, dlc or a sequel.

[@batguy39]

14:45 WORD.

[@themultiversalmagpie7827]

I wanted to like this game so much, I love the bat family, but I have so many issues with it that could be solved by better devs

[@Michaelengelmann]

I’ve pointed that out since idk when. Dick’s & Todd’s are the worst.

[@youngkevaun4204]

I understand alot of the problems but I hate when I ppl say red hood having mystic powers is stupid it's almost like you know there isn't multiple comics showing him using spirit swords I mean the all caste is a thing it's not just the Lazarus pit Jason being one of my favorite bat family members I'm happy they acknowledged his "powers" because he's not like your other bat family members and he shouldn't be I'm glad he's his own character and that they gave that little nod to it but I do agree they could have implemented it better I wish we would have got the swords instead of a spirit gun I'll give them a B for effort

[@dr_kopic]

GOOD VIDEO!

[@aidenarkham]

The speed you can glide in Arkham Knight is amazing and 20x faster than this game

[@dannybbb6]

A "non superhero" game with excellent traversal that's stone age at this point is Just Cause. In JC4, Rico had a grapple, parachute, and a basic wingsuit (not including any vehicles or his rocket wingsuit), and he could literally glide the whole map without touching the ground if you wanted to. That map was massive. I'm in the same camp as you DJ as I really like the game in a general sense being a new PS5 owner and this my first PS5 game purchase. But there are definitely glaring issues that stem from either questionable or disjointed development decisions. So much effort wasted on shortcuts that didn't even need to exist to begin with. Also, the combat is very clunky. It's obvious they wanted to model Arkham, but someone felt like that people were moving around too quickly or fluid, the game would be too difficult. Personally, I feel quite the opposite is more likely the case if the combat flowed better. The whole game feels like a meal that has no cohesion. A lot of great dishes on their own, but make no sense being together. Apologies for the novel.

[@travelerluke5748]

🤣 regardless I heart capes. It's ridiculous the amount of hate they get.

[@orelyosif5852]

This Red Hood magic just feels so weird and out of place