Gran Turismo 2's "Ride Height Trick" Explained

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TeaKanji

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@mrxbas Ай бұрын

So that’s why GT3 never shows a visual difference in ride height when you change it…

@mattiapresti7295 Ай бұрын

Are you sure? I remember lowered tuned cars in GT3. What I spotted most is that in theese simcades the tunes are limited if compared to PC sims, one of the most exciting things of Rfactor, but also F1C, is the feeling of rigidity in F1 cars

@JakeMR2 Ай бұрын

Those ride height tricks is really similar to how I'm researching into Kaido Battle 3's physics (for PAL KR2) since the ride height has more of a high rake in the front (100mm Front and 80mm in the Rear). Quite a thing that even GT has the same oddness quirks when tuning, maybe it's something that game's have these quirks is on how to show the adjustability well with hiding certain elements from the player I'd assume. It's something I'm trying to note down myself when making a smaller guide for the Kaido series myself when it comes to this, but a large part in that is the car stuff. Stuff can be really fun once you investigate this stuff under the hood of the game, it can become quite useful. Probably why I like these types of videos explaining game quirks like this.

@bitelaserkhalif Ай бұрын

Brazilian truck modification in nutshell

@HizalMikail Ай бұрын

I have been playing GT for like 20 years now (with GT2 being my first GT) and I never knew about this before… Thank you for showcasing and explaining it! 🙌

@masakado Ай бұрын

Good video, but the music is too loud

@TeaKanji Ай бұрын

I've added subtitles now, hope that helps.

@Zanarkand_0 Ай бұрын

I remember seeing some setups for GT3 with complete opposite ride heights back when GTVault was a thing. Omg I completely glossed over those setups because I thought they didn't know what they were doing. Lol

@jdcp8976 Ай бұрын

I think I remember reading this into an old tuning guide for gt2, but not getting it lol. Interesting trick.

@mattiapresti7295 Ай бұрын

5:06 This is the point, I found that in theese simcades tuning options are limited. If you play Rfactor or a modded F1C, if you push to the limit car settings the car trasmits a lot of hardness feeling, over overreacting to kerbs, becoming hard to be played without a wheel

@ThrasherDBS Ай бұрын

I found it so hilarious when watching your GT1 & 2 guides about the "game thinks you're driving downhill" thing. Might have to watch your any% run and see how much of a difference i can make on that route compared to my PB

@TeaKanji Ай бұрын

The any% route is a bit up-in-the-air at the moment since Dutchy re-routed some things for his WR run. My route did Japan 3 in the Nationals after getting the licences and it was a super difficult race, so Dutchy re-routed the upgrades so it can be done later. Dutchy buys the semi-racing suspension kit in wave 2 of upgrades while I buy it in wave 1. His run ended up over a minute faster, but his run also had fewer mistakes than mine.

@ThrasherDBS Ай бұрын

@TeaKanji my run is significantly more out of date than either of yours, having been done over 2 years ago. The route I referenced on mine used a mazda mx-5 instead of an S13 like what your clip showed so I'd be interested in at least checking out a difference, maybe get a fresh PB out of the deal.

@karelpipa Ай бұрын

i tried various ride height setting in my past (didnt know it causes this), i always ended up with low front (not lowest mostly) and added rear height for better turning. Now i will have to redo again

@Normalaatsra Ай бұрын

Would've liked an expansion near the end of the video that explains how rake setups helped out in later games, like from GT5 onwards a high front low rear is beneficial on oval/SSRX runs, and how before GT7's 1.04 physics update, every optimal tune had cars running on stilts with the rear set to max height.

@ComingInHotPink Ай бұрын

Reminds me of the rake "war" in F1 before the nu-ground effect cars

@davesiddons8921 Ай бұрын

This trick was on GT1 as well, me and a few friends being young wanted to see who could make the fastest car on the test track, the supra rz with this setup was easily the fastest car due to this trick. I honestly didn’t know it was a bug cause I was 10-12 at the time and car setup was just sheer luck 😂

@SVT_Cobra 2 күн бұрын

2:13 For some reason, in many cases I feel it's the opposite, specially in RWD cars, since the rear being higher feels more loose and slides one side to other easier, because of weight transfered to the front and the rear being light and not very grippy, but well, anyone has different feelings with this wonderful GT game By the way, could you make a guide of tuning cars in GT4 for B-spec/autopilot handling? I have a friend that is good at tuning with that but he wants to see how you tune the cars for automatic handling

@TeaKanji 2 күн бұрын

I think what you're experiencing is how the constant downhill effect changes the car's downforce physics on steeps and inclines (think of IA-10 and how the GT-One switches from oversteer to understeer as it climbs the hill). On a completely flat track like Motorsports Land, the understeer on corner entry is much more noticeable with the rear raised compared to, say, Trial Mountain. I'm not really well-versed with GT4 B-spec setup, the only thing I've noticed that works well is setting up the gears so 1st is extremely long, so B-spec is more conservative exiting corners for better fuel consumption and tyre life. I might look into it properly one day though.

@SVT_Cobra 2 күн бұрын

@TeaKanji alright, nice tips, and hopefully you consider the B-spec guide request in the future Another thing, is okay if we talk in Discord? There is no problem if you don't want or you are very busy, want me to give you my username if you accept?

@justajad2809 Ай бұрын

GT essayers are the only ones with such a blessing of BGM for their videos.

@animumaster2905 Ай бұрын

Teakanji my glorious king 👑

@comcat1908 Ай бұрын

TeaKanji I love you bayyyybeeeeeee

@MadMax-gr7th Ай бұрын

While min/max ride height works , it is not always the optimal for say acceleration on high horsepower cars. Especially at 400m / 1000m & top speed runs.

@zoicaras2992 Ай бұрын

thats fuckin wild lmao. i probably missed this but does a-spec still have this or did they implement a fix? cheers for bringing this to light (again).

@TeaKanji Ай бұрын

I go into detail at 4:10, but basically, they patched out the ride height trick, but ended up breaking something else in the process, as the game doesn't use the rear height when calculating the car's center of gravity.

@zoicaras2992 Ай бұрын

@@TeaKanji haha nah i mean a-spec as in the gran turismo 2 a-spec mod!

@TeaKanji Ай бұрын

@@zoicaras2992 Ah, sorry, for some reason I thought you meant GT3. It's still there in A-spec, but one thing to note is that the new race cars can have much lower heights than most vanilla cars, and setting the front height below 65mm can cause 'ground effects' to occur where the car gets sucked into the road (most noticeable in Red Rock Valley turn 1 or Rome sector 1). You'll likely need to raise the front height so the car doesn't become uncontrollable when that happens.

@zoicaras2992 Ай бұрын

@@TeaKanji roger that, thank you so much. its ppl like you in the community among many others that make this hobby so awesome and intricate.

@tea_with-mint Ай бұрын

Gran turismo 5 ultimate guide 😇

@mooontheto Ай бұрын

Will you make a video about the GT4 spec II mod? I think they overhaul the tuning

@togera77 Ай бұрын

and here I was, using this so called trick because IRL race cars always have the front being lower than the rear 😂didn't know that made the game think the cars were going downhill

@EugenioF-g1r Ай бұрын

Hello Tea, could you make a video on the duckstation? Download setup, hiw to install a wheel

@EugenioF-g1r Ай бұрын

Thanks!

@szybkacebula3167 Ай бұрын

Hey mr.Tea, little ask or maybe a challenge, but I guess can you tune the Escudo in Spec ll to beat GTWC with it? Hmmge

@TeaKanji Ай бұрын

The setup I made for vanilla GT4 in the tune list should work as a base. The grip modifiers were buffed significantly, so I expect some adjustments will need to be made. Lower the front downforce if it's too unstable. Here's the setup: tyres: hard / hard [R2 / R2] brake balance: 5 / 2 springs: 5.2 / 5.2 ride height: 85 / 85 bounds: 2 / 2 rebounds: 5 / 5 camber: 1.4 / 2.2 toe: 0 / 0 stabilisers: 2 / 2 gears: final to 5.000, then auto to 1, then final to 3.200, then set individual gears to 3.030, 2.370, 1.885, 1.515, 1.219, 1.027 downforce: 50 / 70 LSD I: 5 / 20 LSD A: 5 / 12 LSD D: 5 / 55 VCD: 20 ASM [O + U]: 0 TCS: 1 (absolutely needed)

@macalister47 Ай бұрын

hello everything is fine? Could you help me find out what the ideal LSD is for the sprinter corolla 86 in gran turismo 4? I don't know what criteria you use to tune the differential LSD setup. If you can, make a tutorial. Thanks in advance