The Ultimate TF2x10 Engineer Tier List

[@Goodfacts-hj2zf]

"Every stat is buffed except for reload speed" +10% faster reload speed

[@Ripheart789]

Yeah what happened

[@fourthknower9831]

Sometimes gaffes just happen. Or someone forgot to correct the description

[@Great_Blue]

Whoops, meant to say weapon switch and didn't realize it until the video was already done.

[@harrogeorge7878]

@@Great_Blue understandable, have a nice day.

[@taramaruiz23]

Lol that’s quality conversation

[@2BrosOfficialGaming]

Wow. Who would’ve thought. The worst Engineer primary is the worst Engineer primary.

[@theduchyofmilanball3157]

Poor pompson

[@sirchris6047]

Pov: you can't aim in normal tf2

[@bekimpedersenali2620]

I Mean some horrible weapons do get much better in x10

[@Kaiserboo1871]

Sad Pompson Noises*

[@angrydragonslayer]

Given how broken it is in crits (so broken it's still good in x10 crits), it deserves it

[@purplehaze2358]

"I bet the short circuit is going to be really broken!" Times 10: 2 less metal cost for a function that people don't even use, take it or leave it.

[@MagicGonads]

When I played x10 it was when it had the old effect and basically you had an infinite bubble of projectile deletion because of its firerate

[@turmspitzewerk]

@@MagicGonads i'm guessing it was leftover from how it worked before the blue moon update, and when the energy ball was added they didn't get around to modifying its stats for x10

[@BichaelStevens]

MEAT Most Effective Attack Tool

[@whatwasidoinghere8321]

Yes

[@huntercraft1817]

Meat: You can’t beat it (lol)

[@tylernauman1203]

Thank you

[@davidhong1934]

@@huntercraft1817 You can definitely beat other people with it

[@huntercraft1817]

@@davidhong1934 hehe

[@ashtongiertz8728]

21:41 the wrangler would have been the perfect opportunity to go over how the Sentry's stats are affected by x10 mode.

[@Z2Wolf]

A response to that comment would also have been a great opportunity to go over how the sentry's stats are affected by x10 mode.

[@SomeGuyNamedDezecra]

​@@Z2WolfA response to this reply would seem like a strange case to me.

[@SoulBro12]

I just like going absolute berserk with gunslinger, if it was a 10x randomizer and I got the Bootlegger,Darwin's and Gunslinger I literally become a health monster I love it

[@jihrexz666]

Lol

[@fortnitesexman]

Darwin doesn't give you health tho-

[@tonyarch6303]

@@fortnitesexman Yes, it does.

[@fortnitesexman]

@Tony Arch but it gives fire damage resistance? Unless we're talking about one of those bad x10 servers that have stats unrelated to the weapon they're on

[@waitressroyal]

@@fortnitesexman it did give you health before jungle inferno so maybe they changed it back idk. i don't play much x10 myself.

[@taureon_]

we need a mathematically correct x10 server and by that i mean one that doesnt do weird adjustments like "gru works when not active"

[@mlgiyel3021]

Yeah, the "Tomislav instakills you despite having literally negative firing speed" is pretty damn annoying

[@OMalleyTheMaggot]

Yeah seriously whoever thought it would be a good idea to have the heavy speed melees apply even when the heavy doesn't have them out is beyond stupid.

[@philipweber9545]

Direct hit with the 800% projectile speed

[@taramaruiz23]

@@philipweber9545 the classic with instant charge

[@davidhong1934]

Pomson but still functionally useless

[@rockowlgamer631]

oh boy I can't wait for Heavy's, now I can make an arguement for the Brass Beast while yeah you take forever to rev and move while spun up that resistance and damage output means to pair it with Engineer and hold it on choke spots you could use a shotgun with the BB to be a moveable sentry, ta dah

[@AlteFore]

UuUH AckShUally, it OnlY taks An exTrA .6 SecUnds tO rEv, anD schoTgUns ExShisT, *sniffle*

[@nacl4988]

But then you have to give up +500 HP of Dalokohs bar, And near lightspeed travel of GRU because you are basically anchored in place

[@simonsoupshark8009]

means i can yet again try to convince people that the hue long heater is good even thought you run out of ammo instantly

[@hexagonPie]

@Lucas Hill j

[@hexagonPie]

L

[@OskarCzechowicz-OmniMusician]

I'm surprised how low you rated the Wrangler - maybe the authors of the plugin forgot about it's hidden stat: IT DOUBLES SENTRY'S FIRING RATE. So on TF2x10 it should shoot a blizzard of perfectly accurate bullets.

[@ieuanhunt552]

And it gives damage resistance so a wrangled sentry should be invulnerable

[@fortnitesexman]

the stats should look like this {the wrangler} | Take manual control of your Sentry Gun | Wrangled sentries gain a shield that reduces damage and repairs by 666% | Wrangled sentries shoot 1000% faster | Sentries are disabled for 30 seconds after becoming unwrangled with this the wrangler truly becomes an absolute fucking menace

[@10EightyPlays]

@@fortnitesexman INFINITE SHIELD. With the Wrangler, you should use a lv3 sentry and Frontier Justice and Stock.

[@fortnitesexman]

@@10EightyPlays an infinite shield wouldn't be X10 and i'd honestly say the jag would be better since repairing your sentry wouldn't matter because the wrangler shield heals it in this case

[@10EightyPlays]

@@fortnitesexman Are you seriously gonna not have the Wrangler out for 30 seconds? Plus, infinite healing from non wrenches and wrenches breaking the sentry? Ever thought of balence?

[@sword0115]

M.E.A.T. stands for ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎Meta ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎mEta metA ‎ ‎meTa

[@jihrexz666]

Meat stands for meat

[@10EightyPlays]

Or, Meta mEta meTa metA

[@Rodrigo-kq3js]

finally someone did this, x10 was just too fun. thank you for helping me ruin more lives great blue.

[@Rodrigo-kq3js]

by the way pyro goes from an easy kill to hard counter to engie if he equips homewrecker

[@bruschetta7711]

I love these videos, good work, only complaint is that the footage us only with one loadout, which is ok if you are the kind of guy that stick to the best or whatever you like, but for the purpose of these videos i think you really should take footage, even like for a small amount of time, of how all the weapons work

[@OMalleyTheMaggot]

FUN FACT if you get even a single Frontier Justice crit in 10x, pick up a building while holding the FT then quickly switch to your pistol as you put it down you will have infinite pistol/melee crits. Being healed by a dispenser/the cart/a medic or switching back to your shotgun removes the glitch.

[@PerkyPyra]

Another note about the Eureka Effect is that it has the unlisted downside of also shaving the returned metal from the widowmaker nearly in half. Not sure if that has any meaningful repercussions on the x10 Widowmaker tho but in Vanilla TF2, they are a fatal combination to have together.

[@absollnk]

Thank you for keeping M E A T tier

[@racerm007]

the pomson is so bad x10 pomson would only be a sidegrade to stock engine weapons

[@secunsecun6313]

tbh it would become a meme weapon that no one likes to play against lol still if it was I'd prefer stock stock shotgun than 10x pompson kekw

[@racerm007]

@@secunsecun6313 Idk being able to delete an uber push by pressing m1 is pretty powerful

[@shanedancer3895]

It would be really strong but it still wouldn’t be fun at all to use so people wouldn’t. In normal TF2 deleting a whole Uber is incredibly strong it could just be hard to hit the medic as engineer but definitely doable if you’re looking for it

[@ZombiesWerePeopleToo]

Fundamentally flawed design. As FSoaS pointed out, it’s a weapon whose upsides only come into effect if you don’t kill your target, and the point of a weapon should be for your target to die.

[@theguythatasked6400]

Not really, the pomson in x10 is bad because a medic or spy can get their Uber or cloak back much faster. In vanilla running into certain death and hitting a medic once would be game changing

[@chaoticsilver8442]

The Eureka effect has one other use than just 'get to obscure sentry nest locations without letting spies through' If you are good at being aware of when you're in a fight you can't win, the Eureka can essentially act as a 'get out of death free' card, by literally just teleporting you out of dodge, and back to the safety of spawn. Can be particularly helpful for the rest of your team by denying snowball items from using you in their snowball (IE., preventing kunai spies from using you as a backstab to refill their health). Though again, it relies on the self awareness of knowing when you're about to be in a fight you can't win, before it's too late to use the Eureka effect to get out of it.

[@gummybread]

THE *MEAT* is back!

[@TrueLunar10]

One thing I feel would 100% help the videos is to use the weapon you are discussing in the gameplay feed. Some weapons can work strangely or the strategy you want to use is not immediately obvious reading the stats alone so watching footage of an unrelated loadout doesn't help convey the point. Aside from that great video and can't wait for the next ones

[@uberd3323]

These videos would be better if you actually showed off what these weapons do in game.

[@NanoFromNichijou]

yes uber yes it would

[@dnr-vs1lk]

Same goes for a ton of videos. Problem is getting relevant footage.

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

No one: Great Blue: *M E A T Tier.*

[@ashtongiertz8728]

I think the most surprising thing I learned in this video is that x10 mode doesn't always multiply stats by 10.

[@gglanouille3060]

Jag, rescue ranger, wrangler on higher tower. Once you fall because of too many players came to annihilate you, go combat engi, Widowmaker, +250 HP mini wrench, and lightning ball bataillon backup removal (alternating it with Widowmaker you can have infinite flashbang that delete rockets one shotting you, while your sentry is building/shooting)

[@crep50]

I hope we get a TF2 x10 Demoman tier list soon. This was amazing!

[@wholefttheydogatcentralpoint]

I like that reference on the grey tier where the weapons were stored. That's one of my favorite videos you've made so far.

[@LeBonkJordan]

"People really liked the first one of these that I did for the spy" [puts the spy video *after* this one in the playlist]

[@thegamingsnail5119]

I like the "I am an Engie. GINEER." It's a good reference to your old video on the raging kiddies of Hightower. I still watch that to this day. XD

[@hyperonestarcraft]

I hope you mention the Beggar's Bazooka has having the one specific use of "combined with Gunboats to get to the top of Highertower in 10 seconds with overload jumping and ruining the Engineer's fun up there" in the eventual Soldier video

[@JoeVO24]

i would bump the jag up a tier because a) if youre using frontier justice, you dont want to repair your sentries anyways, and having nigh instant level 3s is nice for odd spots, and b) if youre using the pistol the rescue ranger also pairs with it rather well.

[@intelliengi4798]

"I AM AN ENGIE! GINEER!" Lol great reference

[@smocast738]

Nice video man! One thing I think that can improve it is changing the gameplay footage to match the weapon being described, to give the audience a visual about how the weapon goes in-game.

[@PhilTheYes]

Watching a tier list about a gamemode I don't play of a game I don't play, interesting

[@PBRobber]

1:45 "who ***** uses minis on hightower" An astute hightowerx10 scholar

[@ChumpstickCharlie]

The frontier justice is probably weird because 75% of 6 is 1.5

[@olixx1213]

Nice math

[@PajamaPantsStudios]

Gold star of highertower is a medal I want added to the game

[@admiralrhino4049]

Remember when the tele was the most expensive building to make? Terrible times

[@rain28980]

i love playing this mode and i always wanted to see a tier list for it

[@dexterity494]

you can actually get up to 300% damage with the widowmaker, since damage ramp up exists take this knowledge as you'd like :)

[@jett9631]

I’m happy that you embraced the meat format

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

*THE MEAT THE MEAT THE MEAT THE MEAT*

[@Roselyn451]

"the stock shotgun is really good" laughs in x100

[@thegloatingstorm8323]

The other benefit of the jag is being able to build at spawn. If you know about the jag-effect load out, you know how useful the jag is in that case

[@eclecticenthusiast2997]

Shortstop Scout and Kunai Spy can tank direct hit rockets pt-blank to, so any class in TF20 can except pyro and non-Vax meds.

[@ethangaska2726]

I like x10 yes, but x100 allows ya to put down 3 sentries of yer own, meaning you can put down 3 sentries anywhere ya want(on the x100 server i played anyways, that was the case)

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

Heavy episode is gonna be great.

[@LucasTF]

5:35 - Eminem is impressed

[@TMCRGaming]

Have very few weapons in TF2 X10 been selectively updated to make them not useless? Cause I noticed that danger shield snipes have fuck loads of health.. but then also gain health from enemy pyro attacks? Cause the Darwin's health bonus was pre JI but it still has the fire immunity of post rework as well.

[@Sisyphus_MMV]

watching those spy's try so hard to backstab you over and over is painful

[@_fuushi]

i like the little "i am an engie. GINEER" part from that old highertower video

[@ThatguycalledJoe]

For some reason during the talk of the Pistol I was reminded of Spy's Trash Death Laser. Trash was a joke MvM mission that potato.tf ran once, and it severely jacked up the stats of everything. For Spy in particular, you backstab one robot and you get 40 seconds of crits, and that turns the stock Revolver into a death laser that just shreds Tanks. It was absolutely majestic. I wish Trash still existed, it was the only one of those waves I actually wanted to play more than once. Also, what would be the best loadout for being a madlad and trying to actually dunk the cart on Highertower?

[@user-ow2cs7fb5l]

Demoman and Soldier have the Pain Train, so you can cap at about 3-4 instead of 1.

[@ChadtronicFan]

@@user-ow2cs7fb5l Do you mean 11? It's a + 1 capture rate, so * 10 should be 11. 🗿

[@impockets]

in tf2 x10 the beggars bazooka is super fun because the spread is multiplied so it just launches 30 rockets in random directions in the general front direction, and in x100 it’s just a sphere of 300 rockets

[@llmkursk8254]

Great list! Hope that Pyro is next to really complete the "third class of each section" thing you have going on!

[@XYM117]

Nice tier list You could use gameplay using the weapon that you're talking about, even tho, nice video

[@tremateme6381]

I JUST REALISED THAT THE BOTTOM TIER IS A REFERENCE TO THE "RAGIN KIDDIES OF HIGHER TOWER" VIDEO

[@CorazonDonquiote]

I know😂

[@barnythebuffdino162]

2:04 I've actually played with urethra Franklin, he's a chill guy.

[@NaviZ57]

The rescue Ranger and the Frontier Justice have a mathemathic glicht lmao

[@nacl4988]

Scout is gonna be intresting, Sodapopper is pretty nuts, But so is Force-a-nature

[@epicness877]

The fringe and "meme" gamemodes need more attention and love, and this has been more than a fine step

[@Ravioactive09]

"I am an engie. GINEER!" That's what we like to call a fucking callback boys!

[@mr_pigman1013]

27:42 I didn't even recognize the gas passer's vision effect... That's how bad and how rarely it's used.

[@Jonathan_Guan]

jag is not that bad, you can just drop instant dispensers and instant guns wherever you want. Pair with rescue ranger to be able to heal buildings. Just hope you never see a spy.

[@skeptic_lemon]

Crit meatshots on shotguns do 180 damage, because crits don't take ramp-up into account, so you're dealing 10 * 6 * 3 damage instead if 10 * 9 * 3.

[@TheDiloEmpire]

M E A T

[@skeptic_lemon]

@@TheDiloEmpire M E A T

[@TheDiloEmpire]

@@skeptic_lemon M E A T

[@skeptic_lemon]

@@TheDiloEmpire M E A T

[@ezrac704]

The jag can repair if you upgrade your sentry. The frontier justice also deals more damage at range since crits remove damage falloff.

[@TheWickedSlayer]

I like using the jag for the basically instant building it gives

[@badideagenerator2315]

Here are two secondary weapon concepts for the engie: The sharpshooter: a prosthetic left hand which is equipped passively. • replaces sentry guns with radar turrets • radar turret's target is marked for death • upgrading radar turret increases its range • radar turret cannot shoot + 25% less bullet spread on wearer The gunshow: a prosthetic right arm from the wrist up which is equipped passively • replaces sentry guns with sentry bots • sentry bots are mobile and will follow their creator • sentry bots are affected by headshots, afterburn and debuffs + 20% faster movement when hauling buildings

[@echononame491]

Both of these seem quite op, the radar we will not know how strong it is unless tested but a moving sentry gun seems very strong, regardless of if its effected by debuff as it has perfect aim and will annihilate anyone in a 1v1, especially with a engie beside it.

[@SniperOnSunday]

What happens if you equip one of these with the Gunslinger?

[@badideagenerator2315]

@@SniperOnSunday you'd get a mini version of the radar turret or sentry bot which cost less metal to build but has less health.

[@dougthedonkey1805]

The wrangler wasn’t buffed because it’s already so OP

[@jemsuper]

The teleporters with the eureka do refill my metal though?

[@koathekid8255]

The widow maker and gunslinger: were the best combo. The rescue ranger wrangler and the Jag: are you sure about that

[@MiragedMira]

i like how all the weapons are put in I am an engie. GINEER. cause its a reference to a raging kid in ur video in a highertower server.

[@krisgamingscienceandfun4338]

Oh hell yeah

[@beesus1412]

i always thought the reason the widowmaker only cost 3 metal wasn't because the devs necessarily fucked with it but because when buffing the widowmaker forever ago, the vanilla tf2 devs cut the firing cost from 60 down to 30 possibly by adding a hidden cost reduction stat rather than actually changing the default value so it's basically multiplying a hidden -30 metal cost, other weapons in x10 have had similar changes where the vanilla devs would buff something like a slow reload speed by not changing the default value but by adding a hidden multiplier to it and then in x10 it suddenly had insane reload speed. or the x10 devs just fucked with it, idk

[@bluedogz1624]

For the next one, can footage shown reflect the currently discussed weapon?

[@maphistootf2]

>I am an Engie. GINEER! (gives IT'S TIME FOR A CRUSADE vibes)

[@sewdyer98747]

its very cool that i have tf2x10 on my server :)

[@doctorsno906]

“Is the peanut butter or the jelly better” Me: The Jelly

[@thatguysavetf2916]

Oh my lord he put the reference from ‘the raging kiddies of Hightower’

[@vergilonachair4487]

Nice reference to the raging kiddies of highertower

[@styrus358]

Considering GB's stance on TF2 x10 balance right now, it's both amusing and depressing coming back and seeing him call it more balanced than people think, like with "every class has a solution" and "no class dominates the mode"

[@Ripheart789]

Widowmaker, wrangler, gunslinger. Fuck em up

[@honeychroma]

I don't know if it's just me, but I could listen to Blue's voice all day

[@shupp6267]

engineer gaming

[@Iloveyou-dz7mq]

14:23 lmao that demoknight

[@z_a_c_h_7919]

Just getting back into TF2 Playing x1000

[@Caragoner]

Engineer Gaming

[@OMalleyTheMaggot]

Besides crit pistol memes, though, engineer is kind of countered hard by homewrecker pyros, kunai spies, and direct hit soldiers. Doesn't do particularly well vs stock or 2000 ammo huo long heavies either. Idk why so many people play engie on 10x highertower. They think they're trolling but they are prey to be bullied lmao. You can set up in the best spot possible but I can just detonator jump right at you from spawn. Hes too vulnerable and engineer feels like a class who can only get away with things when the enemy team is kind/dumb enough to let him get away with things. You'll do well when the entire enemy team is running in straight lines as M2 pyro sure but as soon as someone is sick of your shit and knows what to do about it you might as well change classes because there's nothing you can do to stop a homewrecker or DH soldier. Which might make engie seem good because he requires specific counters but the thing is it takes the engie way more time and effort to go set up somewhere compared to a pyro who can access/destroy his nest instantly and with ease. And yes there's battle shotgun engie who, let's face it, is a worse heavy who's biggest strength is building a teleporter to a high place on the tower (until a homewrecker pyro becomes aware of it at least) The crit pistol glitch I mentioned in another comment would totally put him in an even better place than heavy, I think, if it weren't for the fact that you are pretty flaccid until your mini sentry can pick off a powerjack pyro or something, which it can't always do depending on the enemy team comp.

[@2BrosOfficialGaming]

Direct Hit counters everything

[@lilithfromtboi]

"i am the spy" -engineer

[@ericmememan4632]

"which ingredient in a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is better, the pb or the j?" the peanut butter easily. i'd much rather eat a peanut butter sandwich over a straight up jelly sandwich which implies that the jelly comes second to the peanut butter when forming the overall taste sensation.

[@LaserBread]

I now want to see TF2x0.1

[@Person-tz1tk]

the one gamemode where the wrangler isn't stupidly broken!

[@TheGlenn8]

Bruh, the southern hospitality should absolutely be in 1 or 2 uses since that's literally what you described. I'd argue it's worse than nothing because 50 seconds of bleed is almost worthless and insta dying to any fire damage is a huge downside.

[@maikidot]

It does have 1 use though, meaning it's literally not worse than nothing lol, though it's by far his worse weapon aside from maybe Pomson, but atleast the Pomson doesn't mean Pyros hard counter you.

[@notjevil2391]

6/28/2021. I used the Frontier Justice on a normal 2 fort sever and made a push to the enemy spawn. No revenge crits.

[@Jupiter_Rsabbit]

it actually does give you back metal

[@graybarbecue4912]

If you like pb&j sandwiches you need to try a Nutella fluffernutter(marshmallow fluff and peanut butter)sandwich Note: you will need milk, this is kind of dry.

[@U5ER8]

eureka effect + short circuit = infinite energy balls

[@FatheredPuma81]

The X10 Pomson might actually be pretty decent... if it were in the base game...

[@writerr23]

Epic

[@fhsofdgadji]

the Wrangler should make your sentry fire 2000% faster, have a shield that reduces damage and repairs by 660%, and disables the sentry for 30 seconds after un wrangled. WHY IS IT NOT

[@enhancedgamer3649]

Have you ever considered how overpowered it would be to turtle with this? I mean like if anyone approaches your nest you just hold left click for 0.2 seconds and they fucking die, on top of that tanking your gun would be ridiculously easy considering the 30 shield.

[@somerandomgamer8504]

@@enhancedgamer3649 ... someone missed a joke, eh?

[@enhancedgamer3649]

@@somerandomgamer8504 What joke? He asked for an answer and I provided it.

[@somerandomgamer8504]

@@enhancedgamer3649 Wow, it really went over your head. I'm pretty impressed.

[@Lttsumm]

the panic attack fires 500% more bullets npw we know why it has that barrel drum

[@rayhan285]

as long as you don't bully another kid and make everyone hate the kid for no reason, i'm fine

[@amiamagi]

"I am an engie. GINEER" nice raging kiddies of highertower reference

[@demfrodegroot7596]

I only disagree with the jag honestly, and that's only because I think the widowmaker can easily allow you to overcome a lot of the downsides of the wrench and the natural boosted health of sentries overcomes the inability to heal it as long as you can gather metal fast enough to upgrade it before it gets destroyed. Of course this requires a lot more involved of a play style with a lot of switching back and forth of the widowmaker and the jag, and even then it only beats out the gunslinger in terms of damage, which isn't even that useful since the most tanky class in the game can also sap your sentries. It can situationally be more useful than the gunslinger with this playstyle, but the climate of x10 just makes it far worse than the actual abilities of the weapon could lead one to believe. Tldr, I'm miffed that the jag is one slot lower than I would put it.