Greatest Team of All Time: 2012 Olympic Team vs. The Dream Team | Point Forward Podcast

[@tiguilacassebassist6878]

Nothing wrong with listening to Point Foward with a good Coffee! It's just a good way to start my day!! Love this duo, with my favorite Basketball player off all time Andre Iguodala. Love is mentality, loved his book! Keep going gentleman 👌💯

[@donaldbuffet1208]

Jordan was 29, Barkley was29, Robinson 27, Ewing was 29, pippen was 27, Malone was 28, Drexeler was 30, Stockton was 30, magic was 33, bird was 35, and laettner was 23. Kobe was 33, bron was 27, chandler was 29, durant was 23, Westbrook was 23, Williams was 28, iggy was 28 , love 23, harden was 22, Paul was 27, Davis was 19, and Anthony was 28. Most of that 92 dream team was just hitting their prime and they would have dominated that 2012 team.

[@MarkoRabin]

I'll stay old school and say 92 team, the 92 PG was better, the 92 Shooting Guard was better, the 92 center was better and we can argue about the forwards. And if it was serious we kick out Laetnner and bring Shaq ;)

[@justcruzin17]

How insane was it to pick laetner over Hill or Shaq smdh

[@MarkoRabin]

@@justcruzin17 they needed a bench warmer not another stud to play

[@onionrovirosa]

Ya me quick note: Jordan’s team Olympic wise has NO Silvers. The 2012 team has a bunch of losers who got saved by Kobe ( protoJordan) 92 is far superior

[@torimcneel7692]

If Kobe ain’t top 5 I don’t wanna have a convo about basketball

[@samhorn3740]

Kobe ain’t top 5 and there isn’t really an argument bro

[@thankyouseann]

@@samhorn3740 he is top 5 bitch

[@euntaepark6001]

If you talkin about accomplishment MJ Lebron Kareem Bill Tim If you talkin about Value(As a GM) MJ Lebron Shaq Wilt Hakeem Kobe just can't be top 5 as a basketball player. I admire him as a man tho

[@8mathdaddy]

Kobe is top 3 or top 2.

[@7wnb]

You can be confident & think that all you want lol but I would never bet against 92 dream team. I saw both team with my own eyes. Not to take away from how great 2012 team was, they just ain’t 92.

[@elai3147]

taking out stock/laettner from 92 and harden/ad from 12 because they played by far the least minutes, the beauty of the dream team was their balance, best starters would be pippen/jordan/mullin/barkley/robinson so the bench would be magic/drexler/bird/malone/ewing, with 12 starters would be cp/kobe/kd/lebron/chandler with a bench of deron/russ/iggy/melo/love, know this is not hockey but the dream team had two lines without much of a drop off, the 12 team was more top heavy with more of a drop off going to their bench

[@jaywillup]

I'm with IGGY.2012 FOR SURE.

[@88FmXclusive]

Remember MJ in his prime at the time no one stopping him

[@melaniaaugustine1289]

PERFECT DUO ...MORE POWER "POINT FORWARD ".

[@miguelortiz5286]

Insanely amazing podcast

[@dreday7507]

Dream Team!!! ALL FIRST BALLOT hall of fame guys!!! Sorry Dre…😅

[@sulejmanjasarbegovic2856]

I think the 08 USA team was better than both. My dad would say the 70’s Yugoslavian teams would beat all 3 lol

[@elielmuniz3201]

What u smoking 😂

[@onionrovirosa]

Magic alone would have mop the floor

[@tajonmitchel1712]

Magic and larry were not in there prime at that time.

[@LESHANNONSHARPE]

Magic was still a superstar, it’s just HIV stopped his career. Bird wasn’t the same since 1987

[@tyjohnson3111]

Does any have the links to the 92’ & 12’ games?

[@elielmuniz3201]

1992 Dream Team GREATEST TEAM EVER

[@missann1985]

Dream Team had MJ. Game over

[@tajonmitchel1712]

Not a valid argument anymore. There are players cut from that cloth that came after MJ.

[@lilstro114]

What that mean

[@TaeParker4]

Terrible argument

[@hiphophead4891]

If MJ had a prime Magic or Bird it'd be different. But you have Prime Bron and Kobe, those are two top 5 players and one at the pinnacle of his career.

[@Jamesjenkis-jh8jw]

The first dream team is the Best one ever,.! There are OTHER people that were good enough to make that team, but even they DIDN'T make it in 1992 Barcelona Olympic team

[@02REESE]

Idc what you say. Kobe was on the team because the previous one with the same core had lost. That's enough to say 92 was better.

[@whatevermayne1]

Evan's final point...🔥😅 and 💯

[@lancer.greene8170]

Magic and Pippen can play the PG. That puts your guard in trouble. Who STOPs MJ ?

[@RetroKid]

The fact that the team needed Kobe for certain games is a reason why they can't be the best because that imply that they got in trouble against quarantines? The OG dream team Love by 30 never had a problem with any of the competition.

[@trillmadeithappen213]

The rest of the world was ass during the OG dream teams time.

[@RetroKid]

@@trillmadeithappen213 which balances out with Magic having HIV and coming out of retirement to play, Larry Bird being a shell of himself and the 12th spot going to Christian Laetner. By comparison, you had young or prime superstars from spots 1-12 for the 2012 team.

[@trillmadeithappen213]

@@RetroKid poor competition is poor competition. It ain’t like magic & bird had to carry anything. Just had to show up tbh. You can look at todays international players such as Giannis & Luka to see how much the world has really caught up to us compared to then.

[@RetroKid]

@@trillmadeithappen213 ah, the good ole "plumbers and firemen" argument

[@trillmadeithappen213]

@@RetroKid nah the rest of the world just simply wasn’t good lol …ain’t no denying that.

[@kharna2167]

Actually 2012 team was a underrated dream team

[@lancer.greene8170]

Who did they study?

[@Boss3Nate]

I'm an "old head" but man that 2012 team was crazy as well. Thinking about those matchups is just crazy tho. I think if Bird was prime and healthy it would FOR SURE be the Dream Team... but I think it's a toss up. PG position I gotta give to Magic, SG gotta go Jordan... SF gotta take Bron... PF would be Malone or Barkley vs Love or KD? Feel like that's gotta go to the Dream Team but KD is the greatest superteam player ever. Haha. I think the center position surely goes to the Dream Team... I think the 2012 team is scary bc of their depth and the prime of their team in general. There's still DWade and Melo and Russ and Williams... I feel they're just more athletic. Wish we could somehow watch it. Jordan vs. Kobe and Pip vs. Bron and even Jordan vs Bron and Kobe vs Pip... It would be amazing

[@lancer.greene8170]

Who guards MJ? Scottie Pippen? MJ always showed up! Defense insane. Who stops the BIGs on the DREAM TEAM?

[@saiwaqa2573]

lmao that 92 team would destroy yall. There is no literally no valid argument for the 2012 usa team being greater, better, or beating the 92 dream team... NO ARGUMENT.

[@aubhreypender3091]

There’s definitely an argument. You just disagree which is fine.

[@raymondsims7042]

They wouldn’t “destroy” them but I think they would win

[@CJVP99]

Kobe, KD, Bron, Russ, Harden, CO3, D-Will, Melo, AD, that’s way too much fire power for 92 even 08 would beat 92

[@adamjefferson6229]

MALONE ROBINSON BARKELY EWING UR GETTIN NOTHIN IN THE PAINT! Is u KIDDIN me the wings omg mullin alone getting 5 3 on y'all any given

[@BrandonSmith-dq4jd]

Turner sounding like a casual smh

[@tyjohnson3111]

All dependent on the rules and the rotations. Matchups are interesting though.

[@josephsarh4193]

We often talk about rules but when we running open courts we NEVER bring in rules, bc basketball has always been physical. Just watch playoffs bro

[@jkg_1985]

beating a team by 87pts is crazy i’m going with the 2012 team ❗️

[@johnnythekid4601]

and yet 2012 had problems with the gasol boys 2 white guys against a bunch of superstar brothas??? how did that happen??

[@maxv6837]

Bragging and being proud about beating Nigeria is an automatic loss of argument and a borderline cuck move. That's like saying you're a badass then bragging about beating up a 7th grader.

[@johnpaulbuan152]

They will be punished inside with great centers Ewing, Robinson then PFs Barkley and Malone. This is FIBA rules not NBA rules.

[@inputsandoutputs]

I guess I shouldn't be confused why they hating on Kobe.

[@quentinjonesjr7130]

They not hating at it was a year 16 kobe he was still the most skilled player on the 2012 team

[@dbrownporecords]

Body mentioning Chris Mullins that boy could shoot that 92 team had a lot of weapons no other team touches 92 it may sound good but in realty 92 is it period

[@annsparling4131]

All opinion.

[@ArtGray-rj1cg]

the 2012 team aint beating the 2008 team

[@jasonmardoniomeza1711]

Cmon man....if you take both teams and have all the players listed on them in their primes.....no contest. The Dream Team wins each time. Maybe a fdw games are tough and hard fought but thats it.

[@jayesonmack3108]

The Dream Team would destroy them. To big and to physical. They had no answer for MJ, Barkley, Malone, D.Robinson, Drexler. And the Dream Team actually could play defense.

[@izanagi_999]

2012

[@jasonsmart7442]

The game evolves…2012 by double digits.

[@pointforward]

🤔🤔🤔

[@lancer.greene8170]

How great is a team that does NOT win a championship?

[@rjatom2772]

2012 has the edge on talent in general but who really has the edge on Smarts and the Mentality and its not even close. Remember that everyone in the NBA is talented but not everyone is super smart and has that mentality but when it comes to wish ethic as far as we know Kobe is the only exceptional player and the rest of the 2012 just followed but on the Dream Team is was virtually the whole team. You may have the biggest single game lead but you know who has the largest average lead in olympic basketball history...

[@izanagi_999]

CP over Stockton ez

[@31711ying]

08 is better than 12, kobe is better,d wade is unstopable,prime howard, williams, cb , melo, and a ok lebron

[@zfk1000]

Stockton easily over CP. Better at D and at least as good on O.

[@kennylafortune63]

No

[@kayode8428]

You are delusional.

[@DanteGoldz]

Hell no

[@tajonmitchel1712]

Stockton and cp3 both averaged abt 2 steals per game. Stockton better fg %, Stockton more assists per game. Cp3 avg 18 ppg for career, Stockton avg 13 ppg.

[@zfk1000]

@@tajonmitchel1712 I don't think stats alone can capture what separates Stockton because CP3 played his entire career in a league that gave point guards space to operate. Stockton played his entire career in a league with much less space to operate, and it was much more defensively oriented.

[@phillipschuman4307]

The better margin of victory for the Dream Team is misleading, because by 2012, the world had a decade of catching up to the US players standards (inspired in fact BY the Dream Team). So the 2012 team player tougher competition, and of course, the Dream Team never faced the talent the 2012 team had. And the Dream Team lost to an all-star COLLEGE team. MJ was too busy compulsively gambling, playing cards and multiple rounds of golf every day to get ANY rest, and he shot the worst FG% on the team (the only one under .500 except Christian Laetnner, MJ's .451 barely edging out CL's .450). Although his 113 shots were 30 more than Barkley, Barkley averaged 3.1 more ppg and led the team in scoring. (3rd highest and below were on about half the shots Jordan took.) Jordan didn't even get to .700 from the line (.684), and he was .211 from three (on 19 attempts)-- the FIFA line is shorter, btw. Stockton played only four of the 8 games, and took only 8 shots in total (averaging 2.8 ppg and 2 assists). Comparing the teams, he would have been a non-factor. Magic had a knee injury that kept him out of two games in the tournament before the Olympics, so he was playing hurt. Larry's back was torturing him.

[@samhorn3740]

Y Evan turner one I Jordan so hard. Jordan is not on the same level of Bron. Plus his voice mad funny sheesh

[@syondlasithole1454]

Based on what the players were in 92 and 2012, 2012 would win. But everyone in their prime; 92 wins!

[@zzzap9256]

Iguodala's nose must be itchy that he keeps touching it! Glad he stopped.

[@ronenvavshet6949]

2012 easy

[@bradscott6871]

If anyone is saying there is a team that could beat the dream team is just dumb. Seriously. All HOF. Let me repeat…..ALL HOF 🤷🏾‍♂️ And I’m definitely open to debate 😁

[@CommonNotCommon24-7]

2008 Redeem team better than 2012

[@DanteGoldz]

No the fuck it’s not. Go look up that 2012 roster they was fuckin stacked.

[@onionrovirosa]

beat Nigeria by 80.......they weren't trash they competed...what??

[@datyellaman447]

Come on y'all, I grew up in the 80s/90s and I watched a ton of Bulls games and Jordan was amazing but still a man, he had a hard time with 6'3 Joe Dumars!! Do you know what Kobe or LeBron would do to him???

[@garygarcia7016]

For how long? Mj would find a way to destroy them. Eventually and inevitably

[@HT-sm9dm]

Are you serious? Dude you don’t understand life let lone basketball 🤦‍♂️. Probably the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard or read…. Ever.

[@coreyeatmon5101]

2012 has no bigs. Big men still mattered in 2012 too.

[@quentinjonesjr7130]

The pace and style still matters

[@lilstro114]

Dream team would’ve got cooked

[@WestcountyWill]

Let's be honest here. The 1996 team would beat the 2012 team, and the 1992 team would beat both of them.

[@latoyamcdowell7473]

🤪 ᴘʀᴏᴍᴏsᴍ

[@markleojagong7413]

First 🥇

[@olzt100]

Here's the facts on Michael Jeffrey Jordan. He played more years without winning titles than winning titles. The real difference between Jordan in year four and Jordan in year ten was teammates. And what does teammates really mean? It takes special players to win titles with highly offensive minded players. Chamberlain proved that in the 60's and Jordan recertified it in the 80's. Jordan's teams in high school, college and pros were not guaranteed titles because he was on the team. He is an incredible player. But here is another thought. If Bryant hadn't refused to play in Charlotte, he too could have had Jordan like numbers. And coming out f high-school he likely could have accumulated at least 8,000 more total points. But would Charlotte be in the finals because of him alone? No. He would need the right players. Julius Erving, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, Gary Payton Bernard King and Larry Bird know that dilemma. Great scorers do not make titles. The players can affect the game without dominant scoring are key players for titles. Scottie Pippen, Larry Bird, LeBron James, Magic Johnson and now Nicola Jokic have proven that scoring 30 points a game is not the sum of the game.

[@johnnythekid4601]

in 1991 he DIDNT play with a single allstar... Pippen didnt make the allstar team in 1991