What REALLY happened this doomed flight?? Inex-Adria 1308

[@agnodarwin]

Nice work GDA! I was sitting next to Franc Terglav at the DC-9 ground course in January 1980. Few things were not mentioned in the movie: 1) MD-80 cockpit was significally different from the DC-9s, so much so that it became a distinct type after the crash. It mattered in the crash because they (wrongly) armed 3000 instead of MHA which would never have happened in the DC-9 which had no such possibility. The pilots got differences course by Douglas (some slides and minimal sim time) instead of the full type rating course. 2) As the DC-9 in the fleet had no GPWS installed, the pilots were not given training for it, hence their no immediate reaction. It was probably the first time they have ever heard it sound. 3) Adria was expanding rapidly then and as Cpt Kunovic was passed for the instructor position he got the MD-80 course in USA as a consolation prize. I am positive he would not fly below MHA had he been in the DC-9. Terglav and I were FOs on the DC-9 for a year after which we were told to get on MD-80. He went, I refused (and got punished for it). Moreover, in the summer of 1981 Terglav was told (come winter) he was going back on the DC-9 to start training to become Captain. 4).....etc...etc I left Adria in 1987 and had a fruitful career in international aviation and retired with over 16 thousand flying hours.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you for this fascinating insight into these pilots and the workings of the airline. It’s pretty shocking how lax the airline was about training on the MD-80. Just goes to show how pilot error, misunderstandings etc, are just one factor in a whole system which is geared towards the inevitable occurrence of accidents like this.

[@ZombieSazza]

@@GreenDotAviation ​ yeah I’m genuinely shocked reading how lax the training was, especially with GPWS

[@fulcrum300]

Well told... God bless Franc Terglav.

[@marbella-elviria]

children should never be allowed in a cockpit and not allowed on night flight either

[@dummgelauft]

Hmmm..."slide show", "no sim"..GPWS..pilot did not know...sounds familiar..doesn't it?

[@plusplusplusplusp]

After watching a number of your videos, a pattern is emerging. Not having a radar at an airport is very dangerous!

[@Italycountryball2006]

Yep

[@n6rt9s]

​@thaissiobrittodriving a car is significantly more dangerous than flying to an airport without a radar.

[@animula6908]

But the fact that it can even be done at all is still what amazes me.

[@MakerInMotion]

@@n6rt9s Driving a car is a necessity for most people. Booking a flight that lands at a dangerous airport is not.

[@n6rt9s]

@@MakerInMotion How is that relevant to my comment? edit: Also driving a car is not a necessity for most people in countries with public transport. But again, not relevant.

[@telmo_a]

Overlaying the chart on a terrain map and adding animations to show what the plane was doing versus what ATC thought was happening really helped to understand the narration. Well done.

[@nup5]

Agree. I have very little knowledge about the more intricate details of aviation... let alone piloting. Ironically, those animations helped keep MY mental model clear. That is a luxury that cannot be bought... and I take it seriously because of that.

[@Dilley_G45]

I agree...I have watched a video in this before and read the Wikipedia and ASN article. However this the best video, there is also a website which is as detailed

[@FlavorTown9088]

Hearing "Terrain, pull up" always gives me chills

[@tek87]

A disembodied robotic voice telling you, you're about to die...

[@nate3468]

Truly haunting

[@harynlaryn]

Yes, I can feel the devastation of the people on the plane whenever I hear "terrain, pull up, too low, stall"

[@jaxbutterfly9186]

Even reading it is chilling.

[@macwyll]

@@tek87 In some of these videos, when the warning occurs it seems the pilots don't react immediately. I would be pulling up on the yoke, my underwear, and anything else I could find if I heard that warning...

[@fifi23o5]

I knew a guy who died in this accident. He was a glider pilot, then his priorities changed when he got married. He had children, built a house and after 10 years in 1981 started flying again. He got the tickets for this flight and this was the first trip for him and his wife, since all their resources were used for their family and the house. Their two little girls became orphans and grew up with their grandparents.

[@Bebold94]

Oh my goodness, considering all the circumstances concerning your friend it makes it all the more tragic. Life is a crapshoot.

[@joedmac78]

It's really something how An accident can change lives over generations

[@Beastgrows]

I was amongst the survivors as a wee boy. Bumpiest ride of my life !

[@Beastgrows]

@@joedmac78 we learnt much. I was aboard that day.

[@normatible9795]

This is so sad. He is even a pilot

[@kevinbrookes4870]

Airport had no radar. This alone, just like at Tenerife, was a major factor in this tragedy

[@johns4651]

Because sadly people don't use their brains. Yes, it is common sense and beyond idiotic not to have radar in 1980. We tend to underestimate how dump people can be.

[@FK-we1dp]

remember to TENER LIFE!

[@MJ-fj9yv]

Except. Tenerife both pilots were taxing on the runway. The main changes to stem from the disaster was sweeping changes to international airline regulations and aircraft. Aviation authorities worldwide introduced requirements for standard phrases and a greater emphasis on English as a common working language. Nothing dealing with radar.

[@nicholasimlach1787]

Ground radar

[@JesseCampbell0]

ground radar vs approach radar, very different things, and both incredibly expensive... too expensive to install both at every airport on the planet.

[@fredorman2429]

Watching this unfold made this hard to handle. A variable size holding pattern over mountains. An assumption by the controller of “that’s the way we do things here” as if everyone knows this. It goes on and on.

[@rainscratch]

Endless series of misunderstandings, non standard communications, assumptions, and errors from the ATC and crew, and the chart putting a holding pattern over mountainous terrain (and other chart failings), where it could have been over the sea (as it subsequently was changed to)

[@maxinefreeman8858]

@Robert Pichesame here

[@KoffinKat]

@@rainscratch Also taking one's kids into the cockpit, that's another thing that shouldn't have happened. When your job is as safety-critical as this, you simply can't let your "daddy brain" overrule your "pilot brain". Not sure how much difference would it make if the kid wasn't there, but it's just not vey professional 🙁

[@rainscratch]

@@KoffinKat Should not be allowed. Remember the Aeroflot disaster? Watch 'Kid in the Cockpit' Air Crash investigation.

[@alan133]

@@KoffinKat what's worse is if the pilots did nothing it will correct itself but then they had to get confused by the navigation ball thingy (because soviets used a different one and they are new to flying western planes) and induce the stall and subsequent crash themselves.

[@EneTheGene]

An accident I haven't actually heard of before. Thank you Green Dot Aviation.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Welcome!

[@Kickback-dm7zt]

@@GreenDotAviation are you Irish by any chance?

[@shanettacane7101]

Me either

[@dann5480]

@@Kickback-dm7zt He's Nigerian

[@bmc9504]

@@dann5480 confirmed, I'm now $10,000,000 richer.

[@the.pineapple]

This is the best representation of tragic JP1307 flight so far. One of the greatest aircraft tragedies that impacted so many Slovenian families, including mine. After more than 40 years, I finally stopped asking myself “what if …”. Many I know, still can’t. I’ve had the opportunity to work for Adria Airways as an aircraft mechanic, which had subsequently helped me to find my peace with the loss of one of my parents and closure to an event, which marked my life irreversibly. Thank you for making this video in a professional way using comprehensive facts outlining how seemingly minor details came to rest forever on Mt. San Pietro.

[@arsalan216]

I am sorry for your loss and can’t imagine what you must have gone through. It’s still comforting to hear that you got closure, fellow human. I think one thing that can bring comfort to the indirect victims of these tragedies is that the life of their loved one wasn’t lost in vain. That the tragedy actually helped us learn and make life of millions of people safer in the future.

[@lisajane9727]

🥺😢

[@apackwestbound5946]

An EXCELLENT video, thank you. I spent 12 years flying the MD80; four years in the right seat and another eight years in the left seat. The graphics and flight deck presentation are spot on-outstanding. This is among the BEST videos I have ever seen. I was not aware of this accident. Your presentation is wonderful and I have absolutely no suggestion on how you could have improvedz it. Thank you again! Respectfully,

[@GreenDotAviation]

Great to hear! Looked like a very hands-on aircraft to fly

[@dleet86]

@@GreenDotAviation Mentour Pilot does some great reviews of accidents, successes, too. UA232 is a win. Tom Hanks thought so, too.

[@agnodarwin]

Adria MDs had no CDUs..

[@KlaunFuhrer-du7fr]

SInce Slovenia was at that time still republic of Yugoslavia I am sure there was a Yugoslav flag on 2:09

[@kathyanderson6946]

The controller seemed to have made a lot of assumptions! Definitely not in control.

[@julianhallola]

Out of control(ler)

[@MJ-fj9yv]

Borat’s cousin!

[@EaglesNest1986]

It wasn’t simply assumptions, he had a mental image of the situation based upon years of experience at that particular airport. Other pilots would skip the holding pattern, and based upon the break down in understanding he thought that’s what these pilots were doing. As with all these accidents I’ve watched on this channel, people are so quick to want to pin the blame on somebody, when they are quite simply accidents.

[@777Maranatha]

@@EaglesNest1986 I didn’t understand why did they decide to do the holding pattern if he never told them to? Why did they assume that they had to?

[@EaglesNest1986]

@@777Maranatha I’m not sure, I’m guessing they normally would go to the holding pattern whilst waiting for clearance to approach, not knowing what was the ‘usual’ procedure for this airport.

[@renatanovak6313]

Thank you so much for making this video! Very difficult to watch. Our mom was an Adria employee at the time and this video brings back all the pain and many sad memories. Me and my brother lost our parents at the age of 12 and 18 in this accident and were separated on the same day only to be reunited years later. Her remains were never found. This tragedy marked us - and so many other families across Slovenia and former Yugoslavia - for life and no time will ever take away the pain and the feeling of loss and emptiness. I so wish that they would still be around and enjoy seeing their grandchildren and their children grow up. i hope they are proud of us and what we have become. Incomprehensible that the ACT just moved on to another airport..

[@cremebrulee4759]

I'm so sorry. Losing both parents suddenly and then being separated had to be extremely traumatic.

[@fredspofford]

The ATC simply was transferred to a different airport? Surely there were calls for their head, no?

[@johndeer6543]

When the pilot said " "We're in holding over Ajaccio, call you inbound on radial 247" it must have been because he felt that something was not right with the descent clearance and he wanted to make 100pct sure that the controller knew where they were. When the controller for inexplicable reasons responded "Roger" he could be certain that there was no danger. According to Wikipedia, the controller was cleared of blame and continued to work as a controller. I find this unbelievable.

[@nicolashuruian3617]

If this was an US airline the ATC may have shared a different fate...but since it was from Slovenia...blame the crew 100%

[@edomirsd2794]

The controller is very much responsible in this crash. How come he continued work without firing.

[@joefox9875]

The ATC was a normal human. At that sentence of communication the pilot wasn't requesting anything. Here, there was nothing to make the controller engage deep, type two thinking. He responded how anyone would when they believe things are safe.

[@tomsawyer2112]

@@edomirsd2794 Because it takes a long time to teach them, they are under extremely high stress, when they have to manage multiple aircrafts and situations, specially if one or more controllers report sick, what they often do, because stress harms health, as a consequence, they get immune against many potential risks, same as doctors, when they operate, you just get cold and hardend enough to go on, or you stop what you are doing. The responsaibility they have is in no relation with what they get paid. In small countries, they may have to import foreign controllers, when they cannot find enough human resources locally. Corsica has too much national pride opposed to the central governement in Paris...

[@cambriaofthevastoceans6721]

Yeah no, the atc was definitely at fault in the first place for simply assuming all pilots are familiar with that particular airport out of how many thousands of airports... He maintained that assumption and it coloured all the information he gave the pilots. He also didn't seek clarification from the pilots when confused about their statements instead just giving affirmatives.

[@jonasbaine3538]

Astonishing the controller wasn’t blamed for assuming the pilots ignored the ESTABLISHED holding pattern !!!!

[@timecop73]

True. More than the pilots, it’s the ATC that should have taken the lion’s share of the blame. But then again the air crash investigators might have thought those pilots are dead anyway so blaming the dead is more easy.

[@cambriaofthevastoceans6721]

Also for assuming they knew the airport well enough to know unwritten rules.

[@steinarlarsen9899]

what do you think the captain and pilots res[onsibilities are? Should sea captains blame someone on the shore for grounding?

[@cambriaofthevastoceans6721]

@@steinarlarsen9899 apples and oranges. Not even a remotely comparable situation.

[@steinarlarsen9899]

@@cambriaofthevastoceans6721 incompetence

[@topspot4834]

Baffling the holding pattern wasn't out over the sea. Absolutely baffling.

[@UncomfortableShoes]

Yeah the idea of a holding pattern over mountains is infuriating

[@stephenauty2402]

Exactly what I was thinking. Lets put the holding pattern over mountainous terrain that's often covered in cloud and have aircraft directed by ATC with no radar.

[@jaxbutterfly9186]

Hey, for whatever reason I haven't been on your channel for a while. I had forgotten what a marvelous voice you have. As a senior citizen I watch a lot of KZbin documentaries and such. Aviation is by far my favorite. I've heard a lot of voices. Sometimes I can't even watch something because I can't stand their voice. You , young man, have the voice for the ages. I'm so happy to hear that you are putting it to good use. Aloha Jax 70 in Hawaii 🌴🌺

[@napoleonbonaparte937]

Never heard of this accident before in billions of the Air Crash investigations available online. Thank for the upload.

[@user-de2zo1bw4d]

These videos act as case studies for current pilots, which is making aviation safer today. Keep up the good work!

[@bayanon7532]

N Learning from the mistakes of others is good learning.

[@MJ-fj9yv]

Especially private/recreational pilots.

[@dekikkerfan]

Great job! This one is special for me, because my parents knew quite a few people on that flight and to this day, we light a candle to them at the Ljubljana cemetery where there is a monument to the victims. Thank you.

[@gate8475]

I flew with Adria when I was only 4 and the second and the last time just before it was closed for business. Both flights were significant- first it was my first ever flight, one of my earliest memories, and the second one, I was leaving my country and moving abroad for the first time. I saved the boarding pass. Great video as usual and thanks to all other comments on deeper insights of the whole story

[@salsim5774]

There were so many crashes because of missing (ground)radars, that's unbeliveable. Fortunately this got so much better over time. Great video as always!

[@yellowrose0910]

Or controllers misdirecting aircraft.

[@bayanon7532]

And crashes into non-tower airports. And more and more towers are being closed or have had their hours cut back. Ever wondered how a pilot, flying into an airport at night, breaking out at 300-400 feet knows the runways is clear if there isn't a tower controller to tell him/her? Well, they don't know. Could be a broken down airplane that can't move, could be a couple of large animals, could be some kid racing around in his car since there is no one there to stop him/her. The government only really pays attention to airline airports but these days there are thousands of airports with business/fractional jets going in at all hours of the day. And now, with small jets being the entry job for low time pilots, there are going to be more and more crashes.

[@sharoncassell9358]

Remember this was 1981 a while ago. It doesn't make it go away for families but radar and many pluses have been added since then. Thank progress and technology.

[@ZacmanAir]

I live not to far from the crash site, in southern Corsica, I have been many times to the crash site.. very sad site, when you get to the summit of the mountain, you can find some wing pieces, and when you go down, on the other side, there are still fuselage pieces left.

[@mihaelavbelj8542]

So not everything was cleared some years ago, when a huge effort was made to clear the entire wreckage off the mountain?

[@get2dachoppa249]

That’s pretty much always the case. There are plenty of places worldwide, especially in mountainous terrain, that you can still find plenty of wreckage dating back to WW2 era crashes.

[@kirakaffee9976]

strange. I'd lose the bet souvenir taking tourist would haul away everything very quickly

[@silviadoibani4790]

Seeing plane wreckage on a mountain gives me the chills.

[@MH-60]

Why would you have a VOR with the same name as the airport? If the VOR had been named differently, the controller would not have been able to assume that the plane was inbound to the airport and understood that the plane was holding over the VOR.

[@edwardrichardson5567]

If the Navaid/ VOR is located within the Airport perimeter, most often it has the same name. Ie. ĶATL and the VOR is also ATL. If it is co-located outside of the Airport perimeter , the VOR would have a different name. I.e. KMIA and the VOR is DHP, abbreviated for Dolphin.

[@MH-60]

@@edwardrichardson5567 Thank you for the reply. I am not a pilot, so I'm often left wondering about these things.

[@arjunyg4655]

Like yes but also, there are words for this. If you’re headed to the runway you say you are “on final.” The controller missed numerous clues that he did not know where the plane was, and frankly that’s inexcusable.

[@davemould4638]

@@arjunyg4655 You say "on final" NOW, but not then. That is one of the phraseologies that were changed as a result of this accident.

[@arjunyg4655]

@@davemould4638 oh fascinating. would have thought it was older than that

[@lion6460]

This is now my favorite go-to channel for info on aviation disasters. Extremely informative and by far the best visuals out of the all av-crash channels out there. Stoked that your channel popped up on my recommended viewing today! Keep up the excellent work!!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you! More on the way ✈️✈️

[@RindaJane]

@lion.. I definitely agree. I'm a new subscriber and watch all Channels with aviation accidents. This Channel has me on the edge of my seat, saying go around go around etc.. wow, excellent videos.. Exceptional details. So thankful I accidentally found this Channel 🛬

[@naveed755]

Same here. Other than watching a whole air crash investigation video, his videos are more concise and he reads everything out. I could even just listen to this while doing something else

[@lukakunovic7661]

Ivan Kunović was my grandfathers cousin, while searching for my family history, I found info about this and consequently about this video. Thanks for making it!

[@DCFunBud]

He was your first cousin twice removed.

[@jmcc2275]

The gold standard of accident investigation videos. Well researched,well presented.👍🏻

[@DelfinaKS]

This controller was working with lot of assumptiosn and using non standard phrasing all the time. Still the pilot is ultimately responsible for ensuring they are maintaining safe altitude. For heaven's sake don't worry about the ATC if you have ground proximity warning. First pull out of terrain, you can talk to ATC later!

[@jonyjoe8464]

it took them 5 seconds to advance the throttles, they barely hit the mountain with the wing, if only they push throttle forward right away instead of listening to ATC.

[@majorvonhapenallthetime8602]

Though I was a young man back then, this is hardly ancient history and it seems shocking now that a cockpit could be so "unsterile" especially with a pair of pilots new to the aircraft type, and flying to a (poorly equipped) piece of airspace neither pilot had ever visited before.

[@dianericciardistewart2224]

This was a very nice production of this incident. I never heard of this. (I was only 11 at the time it happened) Loved your re-creation and attention to detail!! Thanks for your lovely work and narration! 👍✈✈👍

[@maesc2001]

Clearly controller error to me. Should not have assumed the pilots deviate from standard approach.

[@lukeorlando4814]

I agree right up until the pilots busted minimums. They did not strictly adhere to the approach chart they were following and had they noted the minimums they would have questioned ATC. It may have taken a bit of conversation but eventually ATC would have figured out why he was being questioned meanwhile the plane would have been holding at a sage altitude. Depending of course if the minimum altitude was set for 150kts as was the depIction of the holding pattern. In which case I my argument fall flat and the ATC assumption placed the pilots in a position of no return regardless. Well perhaps the terrain manoeuvre would have been effective if they had 2000 more feet but. I can only guess on that.

[@seriouscat2231]

@@lukeorlando4814, they flew into the highest mountain in the area. Above 4600 ft, that is 150 ft higher than they were, they would have been safe. The designated 6600 ft in the cart is definitely safe. There are higher mountains than that in the northern end of the island though.

[@emanueldobos8452]

There is one crucial mistake in your explanation - the MSA (minimum sector altitude) is not applicable for holdings or for the approach in general. It is simply a safety altitude you climb to in case you are lost. The holding should have an MHA minimum holding altitude, which absolutely can’t be breached.

[@chumbawumba1959]

While many instances of mis-communication and mis-understanding took place, the one that jumps out was when the controller gave descent clearance to 3000. He CLEARLY said "leaving AJO" which was certainly not aligned with what the plane was doing. To me, that was THE place all of this should have been cleared up. So sad that families and children just going on a day trip all perished because of this. RIP

[@agnodarwin]

see my comment above

[@MovieMakingMan]

My uncle Mike was on that flight, but a week earlier. He was working two months on and one month off work. They only rotated weekly. My uncle’s supervisor was scheduled to fly on that flight but was needed an extra week to fix a critical failure in a tank. So my uncle left early. The supervisor flew on this sad flight. I lost my uncle Mike in 2009. He rarely talked about this crash. He felt guilty taking his supervisor’s seat in the earlier flight.

[@nolovelost3981]

Controller should’ve been thrown in jail for negligent manslaughter. The man “assumed” they were going to skip the holding pattern instead of confirming it. Thats crazy to say the least.

[@waynewayne9693]

I can’t agree with that. It was different time in aviation and as stated the lexicon wasn’t even standard at the time. It’s tragic but more than likely has saved more lives than we’re lost that day and no need to add another death to the total.

[@agems56]

Hind sight is always 2020! I have great respect for Air Traffic Controllers! I know it is not a cake walk, and involves concentration that is absolutely both rare and remarkable out of the few people that don't have ADD! And with so many undiagnosed with this affliction, this is a remarkable gift to have for that job! You ATC's have my greatest respect!

[@jonyjoe8464]

Usually in europe they are very heavy handed when the ATC causes accidents, throwing them in jail until the investigation is over, but this time they let the ATC slide.

[@thomasjensen6243]

You want that guy in jail, but you have no problem with governments killing millions of people...get a grip buddy.

[@nolovelost3981]

@@thomasjensen6243 sorry i hurt your feelings im confused about the government part

[@unamedname]

As soon as I saw a holding partern over/near mountaints I immediately told myself "god damit". Is having holding paterns over the ocean/sea so hard!! 😅

[@cbuchner1]

The interior plane shots are fantastic. So much attention to detail.

[@mdaniels6311]

This is flight simulator. A small KZbin channel wouldn't have the resources required for this.

[@KlaunFuhrer-du7fr]

SInce Slovenia was at that time still republic of Yugoslavia I am sure there was a Yugoslav flag on 2:09

[@mdaniels6311]

These videos always remind me about human fallibility. It's humbling, but also kind of inspiring, to always give people the benefit of the doubt, to understand mistakes happen, to forgive and forget.

[@mariecarie1]

It’s so easy to blame the captain, or the controller, or whoever for such horrific mistakes. Sometimes this blame is very worthy, but other times, they are the same exact mistakes we ourselves make everyday-but with unfortunately larger consequences. While this accident is so unbelievably tragic, it’s good to see everyone presented in a “human” light.

[@hywodena]

This is why it's rarely truly the fault of an individual. It's on the airlines to improve hiring, training, guidelines, and redundancy. Human error happens and is normal, but we must do our best to make sure it doesn't lead to fatalities

[@Abhibhava1uk]

I was three years old when I lost my parents and sister in that plane crash. After that I became aware of my existence (so I don't remember them), like I woke up in this chaos. Lost child. Many many people told me I was lucky to stay home (ear illness) and stay alive. Lucky? When throughout your life you haven't felt a single day of love and support, never felt a hug from your family? Still lucky? I know, for most people it's hard to imagine how is to be all alone deep inside all over these years in this world. It's not easy, never was. Ok, something is certain; till now I still don't know exactly what luck is, but I know exactly what luck is not! All the best to you and your families, good people! And remember, love and support is all we need!❤❤❤ And yes, congrats to you guys who made this video, well done! A lot of new informations for me. Thank you very much!!👏👏👏

[@OhanaLulu]

Love the way you helped me understand what happened. I am obsessed with plane crashes, but I can’t always understand or visualize what happened. Subscriber earned.

[@thembajusticebuthelezi968]

Hearing Terrain, Pull up, Bank angle, Stall with a shaking stick, and that noise the plane makes to tell the pilot the overspending gives me chills down the spine when im watching these videos. Thank you for these video, just keep them coming

[@nickguy831]

GDA does a brilliant clear job of explaining the videos….well done!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Many thanks!

[@B1970T]

Wow, your perfect graphics and plate depictions are most excellent. This is the best, by far, the most understandable explanation of this disaster I have ever seen. Your voice cadence is also great for this type of presentation. Kudos!

[@arndschockemohle1478]

Yes, you are right in my opinion: This might be my words. I thought the same. "New Standard" for flightdisaster discriptions. I would add: No loud, unusefull, boring, "dramatic" music. The best if have seen until today.

[@bird-freakk]

16:58 Indeed my first thought when I saw the approach plan was that the holding pattern should probably not be over/near mountainous terrain and should just be moved to be out over the sea. However as is often the case, we humans don't see the dangers of something until someone has been injured or killed. We learn from our mistakes, it's just unfortunate when these mistakes take so many lives...

[@lisaschuster686]

A lesson too late for the learning.

[@bobbyguzman3397]

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[@lisaschuster686]

@@bobbyguzman3397 Bobby!!

[@julosx]

The piots should have known they were in danger, since something that wasn't told about in this video happened : the aircraft experienced some low altitude turbulence. Which means it was flying very close to high ground. They should have regain altitude long before the GPWS woke them up.

[@robbflynn4325]

Great video. What about the recommendation of a sterile cockpit, also the pilots should have carried out regular cross checks to pinpoint their exact location, especially important at smaller airports they have not flown into before. I'm a lowly truck driver and if I am given a new destination I spend time the day before going over the planned route, noting truck entrances to the site, any potential hazards along the way including low bridges, as well as a general overview of the town or city. The navigation aides I have are of course useful but they can fail or be of limited use during re-routes. I suspect these pilots did not prepare well enough, they also had the distraction of the pilot's son in the cockpit, as well as the party atmosphere on board the plane, these all combined to make this disaster inevitable.

[@57Jimmy]

I’m not sure when, but back then the ‘sterile cockpit’ may not have been in place. I certainly remember taking regional flights in the late 70s and yes, it was definitely more laid back and casual with flight crews back then…if you could see through the cabin smoke!🚬💨💨

[@yellowrose0910]

Yes the crew is always blamed, and could/should have taken additional steps in this flight (like catching that the controller was not doing a great job, briefing the approach before takeoff, etc), but as usual it seems the controller got away with not doing a great job. Why aren't they held accountable? The pilots are dead because of their possible errors yet the controller lives to misdirect another day...

[@robbflynn4325]

@@yellowrose0910 yes there was a misunderstanding but a pilot flying a plane should ALWAYS know exactly WHERE they are at any given time! Sadly these pilots made assumptions regarding this, as such the blame lies squarely with them. Noticed your emoji so thought of this analogy (sorry it's bit off topic), but it's a bit like taking a vaccine because everyone is saying it's safe, at the same time not doing your own research, sadly for many it's now too late and they are suffering the consequences.

[@ajs41]

@@57Jimmy I remember walking into the cockpit of a transatlantic flight as late as 1992/93. They were still letting anyone into the cockpit at that time. All my parents did was ask the stewardesses whether we could look inside the cockpit. A few minutes later they came back and said yes. It was in the middle of the night. One of the most exciting things I've ever done. I was about 12 at the time, my brother was 10. We were in there for about 5 minutes. A flight between London and Orlando.

[@Dovietail]

What a nightmare story. All those families! All those children.

[@micheleshively8557]

I've never heard of this one either. And I'm addicted to air crashes, so to speak. Thanks for a beautiful representation of this. Enjoying your channel 💙 But....why would you let your child sit in the jump seat when you've never been to this airport. Unbelievable

[@michaelosgood9876]

This flight was doomed as soon as the pilots got in touch with ATC. This was more an ATC issue to me as they were using incorrect phraseology. How pilots were culpable in this one leaves me speechless as they were' led down the garden path', so to speak

[@omgpix]

The phraseology was incorrect by our *current* standards. Remember, a lot changed because of this accident. The old system had a lot of ambiguity and regional variations, which is partly why this crash was so shocking and why it lit a fire under everyone's a** to update and conform to something more precise and uniform.

[@ZombieSazza]

It’s heartbreaking hearing how many died, but I’m really glad aviation is a lot safer, with a unified language, better training, and a better understanding into aviation psychology. Great video as always! Just binge watching all your content

[@pascalcoole2725]

Thats a pretty tricky approach procedure. It's a nice one but damm so much mistakes can be made there. To bad for this fine crew and their PAX.. May they rest in peace.

[@SomethingsoniQ]

This channel is soo much better tykać the others. His voice, the video graphics and the detailed yet concise information arr amazing. I'm quickly burning through all of these videos. I'm addicted

[@longfade]

My goodness, your work is so good I forgot I was looking at rendered images and actual footage. Gorgeous work.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@torbenm2375]

Maybe just stretching too far, but the flag on the airplane at 5:19 is the one of Slovenia, but back at that time it was all Yogoslavia, Slovenia as an indepenent country came into existence 10 years later.

[@skypiratez]

Amazingly nice done videos. It's also remarkable how you use the MSFS and its addons to recreate the stories in the best possible way. Keep on the good work. Thumbs up!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you kindly!

[@phoneix24886]

Best aviation channel on KZbin. Never stop. Keep up the brilliant work. From, A fan 👍🏻

[@steffenschiller3189]

Great channel. High quality, well explained, interesting and informative. Goes beyond most of the other channels of this kind. I am looking forward to more videos!

[@binkolov]

My grandma should have been on this plane. But a friend of her, who should be also on this plane, got sick. They stayed at home.

[@silviadoibani4790]

What a miracle!

[@FL2070]

Finally, a individual-run air incident analysis channel who actually narrates with his voice. Reading the text is so tedious. I enjoyed the video, thanks for your work!

[@annabethwivell327]

Wyngx and Mentour Pilot are also excellent air incident analysis channels with good narrators.

[@l.d.t.6327]

16:55 was exactly what I was thinking when first seeing the holding pattern. I find it unbelievably stupid that there are holding patterns over very mountaneous terrain just next to the sea. A recipe for disaster.

[@johnthompson6550]

A great presentation, excellent audio & visual. Great detail and outline run.

[@federicoprice2687]

Another 100% excellent video of a horrific accident accurately and sensitively portrayed. Thank you.

[@ajs41]

Why did they keep routing holding patterns over or near to high ground? Incredible, especially when there was sea/ocean nearby. The same thing was true of Tenerife.

[@julosx]

This holding pattern was doable only by a small, general aviation single engine aircraft (or a WW 2 fighter I guess), not for an airliner since there wasn't many flying that route.

[@562.anthony2]

Been binging the channel for two days in a row now! Great content. Reminds me to do my job right lol

[@stuartf2946]

I haven't seen this disaster before. Very well done and kept me on point throughout. I hope that you are well? Thanks. Stuart

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thanks Stuart! Glad you enjoyed the video, hope you’re well too 😎

[@gfrce257]

Very tragic chain of events and an illustration of how critical good communication is to mitigate human factors

[@darrenwateva6657]

thanks for this, i had no knowledge of this crash before, i like that you cover unknown air disasters.

[@ch3rag]

Thanks for the animations.. now I could better understand approach charts.

[@GreenDotAviation]

I'm glad they helped!

[@KRAZEEIZATION]

These narrow bodied jets always amazed me. Looks like the fuselage forward of the wingbox is going to drop down as the small wings can’t hold it up!

[@auntbarbara5576]

So glad I foumd this channel, I love the pace, audio, everything. Top notch quality content. Much effort made and it shows. We appreciate all your work to bring us these fine videos.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Glad you’re enjoying them! Plenty more to come ✈️

[@ninjababin0967]

Love this channel. Genius to use flight sim to demonstrate each scenario.

[@gabe-po9yi]

Even though I know the end result of these, I still find myself during the video hoping they don’t crash.

[@roamingirl]

Hope springs eternal… 😕

[@gabe-po9yi]

@@roamingirl What a wonderful thing to say. It really does, doesn’t it.

[@roamingirl]

@@gabe-po9yi Awe, thanks. I think so. Don’t remember the origin of the phrase, but it comes to mind often. Also - a nice KZbin exchange. A++ 😊

[@gabe-po9yi]

@@roamingirl I can’t remember, either, but it was just perfect for my comment. I really appreciated it. It also happens to my outlook on life. Maybe rose-colored glasses, but it’s just the way I am, lol. Take care.

[@roamingirl]

@@gabe-po9yi Eternal optimist despite all signs pointing elsewhere. It’s just my nature, ultimately.🤷🏻‍♀️ I get it. Cheers!

[@pibbles-a-plenty1105]

Excellent report, detailing each comm misunderstanding and a poorly implemented navigation chart. Yes, the pilot made the fatal mistake of ignoring the minimum decent altitude shown on the chart in the area he thought he was flying over. The cockpit was not sterile either.

[@shimmer8289]

Thus reminds me of the russian crash with kids in the cockpit and a bit like the Columbia crash where the pilots skipped waypoints and ended st8 into a mountain. Communication with ground affected that one too.

[@shay4ojibwa638]

Whoever does your thumbnails is very good at it. The colors stand out. It results in a beautiful eye catching thumbnail.

[@motorv8N]

First time on your channel - thank you for this top notch review. Your efforts to cover background and casual factors plus first rate graphics and visuals are much appreciated. Long time transport safety investigator on the airport side here and now subbed.

[@peregrinemccauley5010]

Radar . What a novel idea .

[@jonyjoe8464]

in france they consider it overrated, it cost too much money.

[@stephengrimmer35]

Another excellent and lesser known investigation. Thank you! Again nobody really at fault, just a built-in systems failure. Well chosen. So sad.

[@iztokcvetko3669]

I remember this very well even though I was 7 years old. it was almost a national disaster, because we are a small nation, almost half of the country had relatives who died in the accident

[@MovieMakingMan]

I hope commercial pilots flying fir airlines are required to watch all crash videos like this one. They are such good learning tools.

[@jlpkbrb1086]

@@GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath as someone who works in this industry, your point of view is extremely wrong. The amount of emergency procedures is staggering. Pilots practice in the simulator as much as possible but you can't prepare for everything. Not only that, they are NOT authorized to memorize emergency procedures. They have to use the checklist. It is made by the engineers and manufacturers of the aircraft and is a tested and accurate to recover in an emergency.

[@thecontrarian5503]

I am from Ljubljana and an avgeek. This is seriously the best video on Ajaccio that I've ever seen on KZbin.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Glad to hear it!

[@matolov.industries.official]

Hi! great video! i am Slovenian and i didnt know for this case. It is very sad that Adria doesnt exist anymore

[@markgardner4426]

i was in the military at this time and heard of this accident. Thank you for sharing.

[@patriciaramsey5294]

This is such a tragedy. Rest in peace to all of them. 😥

[@AudioBeachStudios]

Genuinely surprised how the hell more people didn't die in aviation catastrophes before all the technology took over.

[@jamespeters9522]

Amazing graphics! Great summary of the details leading up to the crash.

[@sorosaltgaming]

The old thumbnail for this vid was so good 😢

[@57Jimmy]

A fantastic video about a crash I never knew! The graphics are stunning to say the least. I will search your site to see what sim and specs you use!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thanks, I'll put them up in the description. The sim is MSFS, graphics card is a 2080Ti, and CPU is i9700k @ 4.8. 32 GB RAM.

[@galady8632]

Great content!! I ran across this channel today.. I like the way everything flows, it helps the storyline to have continuity. New subscriber. I do not know about non-USA based airlines but domestic charter flights were very relaxed in the 70s and 80s. I was a flight attendant for a major US carrier for 51yrs, starting in 1970. On charters the cockpit door was usually open for the entire flight. It was a totally different experience. Having a pilot leave the cockpit so a child could take his seat - thankfully I never witnessed that. But talking in the cockpit during checklists and radio transmissions was not allowed. Thankfully the pilots were adamant about that.

[@KRAZEEIZATION]

Another high quality blockbuster video. I’m hooked on these now. So well narrated and executed.

[@nolanater3593]

Can even imagine the sheer terror for the little kid in the cockpit during those final seconds😢

[@sijajlum1234]

Love Your Content 😀, Please Make a video on the Mangalore air crash of 2010 or the mid air collision above Delhi of 1996 between Saudi and Kazakh flights.

[@Yukis.aviation]

This is definitely one of the most underrated air crash channels on KZbin. Great job again

[@371stone]

ATC was obviously not on the ball and having a mental picture of where or what the aircraft was doing. The least ATC could do was ask if pilots are familiar with the established approaches and confirm the intended actions. Accident is very avoidable.

[@castortroy6588]

Love this channel ! Addicted to watch air disasters , never flying again lol watching from Derry 🇮🇪

[@gregor-alic]

My grandparents were supposed to be on this flight. Thank God they decided not to go.

[@FlapJacks7]

Thats why u need that radar! bearing and altitude info are of a absolute necessity. Humans err, machinery not so much. Best to have input from both

[@maxtornogood]

Moral of the story - A kid in the cockpit never ends well!

[@EaglesNest1986]

Well actually it was fairly common practice which hardly ever resulted in anything bad happening, I’ve been in the cockpit of a couple of commercial airliners in the 90s, it was a great experience.

[@silviadoibani4790]

Yes, the crash of Aeroflot 593 reminds us of that 😢

[@sammic974]

it is highly unfortunate that most people only learn from mistakes. sadly in the aviation industry, that makes it a high price to pay. very sad indeed.

[@hmpp7013]

Can't believe the air traffic controller was cleared of all charges. He made so many careless assumptions.

[@munroegarrett]

Never put your entire company on one plane.

[@mihaelavbelj8542]

It was not "the entire company" on that plane, but yes, several AA employees apart from the crew were killed in this accident. I knew several of the passengers, including my friend`s parents. I was a kid when this happened and later worked at that airline (actually, I am still here, but only maintenance part of the company is in operation now, as Adria Airways ceased operations in 2019.) Well done presentation, it fits to information I have about the crash. There are only a few small details not correct, like semi-glass cockpit of MD-87 that does not match exactly the real one of YU-ANA, and there are no trees near Ljubljana airport taxiway-but landscape is perfectly true-as I can see it from the window. Great job!!

[@jonasrosengren9093]

Again, brilliant visualisation and factual content