Grinders - FULL MOVIE - Poker Grinders Documentary

[@ryanbenting7314]

"Without risk and adventure, life is not life." I love this quote so much. Lawrence is my hero. Thank you for this documentary.

[@dwaynerex7385]

They might be exciting but life is about who you are inside. Imo

[@davidtan6084]

Same here

[@thejulien911]

This is such a great documentary...it isnt trying to glorify or denounce professional poker but keeping it real showing people both sides who also do it successfully and also the dark side of it all too..

[@samnord3262]

Great documentary! I had forgotten about it, and watched it years ago but had to re-watch it. Watching Danny just made me sad though. His addiction has clearly resurfaced and has begun to rule his life again. I'd love to see how Danny is doing today. Hopefully not dead or homeless from his alcoholism.

[@robh3089]

The idea of playing poker for a living was sold to everyone as glamorous back in 2004. This is the reality of playing for a living, looks worse than a 9 to 5.

[@Mikeyjoefit]

@xdefyy This exactly!

[@dan22482]

Not necessarily. This is the reality of grinding low stakes. It appears they’re playing 1/2 or 2/5 at most. There’s almost no money to really be made at these stakes especially in a high rake private game. If you can profitably play 5/10 or 10/20+ the reality is far different. Games run less often so it’s less of a grind yet you can make significantly more money. The recreational players have more to lose and are far less nitty.

[@spacebomb9126]

@@dan22482 Yea Dan, but you're forgetting that requires having a big bankroll to try that out. These people don't have $15,000 to go sit at a 10/20 table each day... When poker is your only source of income you don't go put all your money down on one day of play. Your scenario is reasonable for people that have $60 grand to $100 grand that they don't care about.

[@CitizenDissendentVI]

it's worse than going to school and work at the same time because you have to study all the time in addition to playing. then you have to find the best games..... sometimes that is commuting more than an hour. sometimes you play 8,12,20 or even 30 hrs straight( if the game is great).

[@what1111000]

Times change. In 2004 I could Make a good living playing. After 2015 or so I couldn't. Your best hope grinding 1/2 with a bad beat dollar or 2 taken from each hand is to break even at the table, make $ on comps, and pray you hit a bad beat one day.

[@rogervind2450]

Thank you all for that shared their time in this. My Name is Roger V. I live in Reno, Nevada. Chase your passions✌

[@stephens2272]

"I Wana make good business decisions while I'm here" "I'm 15 drinks in" lmao... classic

[@mavericktradingco2562]

he is/was an addict. mannerism dont lie. i hope he got help for it

[@loudorchen9897]

This might sound crazy but some players actually can play better drunk, if you're an addict booze acts like a stimulant to some people including me, it kinda blocks out all the noise and allows you to play from muscle memory in a more aggressive way, hard to explain but I can confirm for some people it can make them play better, and I'm not just saying that as a confused drunk, I have like 7 million hands on PokerStars, tens of thousands of mtts played,

[@djdrogs]

@@loudorchen9897 Yes you're totally right! What's your pokerstars handle by the way?

[@loudorchen9897]

@@djdrogs yawnkiss, yawnkus, kick my nuts, No Limit soulja, few others

[@persistentlydriven9390]

@@loudorchen9897 I 100 percent agree. I play way better and focus way better when im drinking. not drunk. (usually )

[@combatsolutionsgroup2021]

I care about my family back in Canada so much that im going to make sure im intoxicated for the entire tournament.

[@GreenIslandWoodworks]

Drinking and poker is like drinking and fighting.......drinking never wins

[@GreenIslandWoodworks]

but drinking too much makes you feel like you are better.....but in reality it just makes you sloppier, louder. riskier and you miss out on subtleties.

[@explorerryan]

Right??

[@diggs36]

I was a grinder for 5 years, I found that sleep and staying healthy are just as important as how good of a player you are, playing over 15 hours a day and not sleeping well are the worst things you can do.

[@frankiecheech5262]

Plus the eating is a chore when u tired and hungry 😤

[@teacher_bryan_japan]

Discipline needed to compete in any games

[@tristarperfecta1061]

I did it for about 7 years and aged about 20. Between nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, and not eating or sleeping, it was starting to kill me

[@viewmaster617]

That's a fact

[@Pluralofvinylisvinyls]

@@tristarperfecta1061 so instead of going to bed earlier you decided to quit ?

[@Janet_Airlines802]

Matt's pullout game, is about as strong as his poker game. Great documentary, thanks for sharing it.

[@joaosegura7458]

Not sure if this was a planned objective from the director, but this documentary is one of the reasons why Poker is still viewed as gambling for so many people who are clueless about the game. I am a professional poker player. Been doing it for almost 10 years. And like me, there's thousands more. But it's not easy money. You have to study on a daily basis. And you have to be able to go through periods of bad luck (because there is, obviously, luck involved) and keep on grinding. But if you can't buy dinner or pay your bills, because you had a bad week/month, then you are doing something wrong.

[@Johnouai]

@@dabadaba530 well, poker without money is not poker.....stay in your lane dude.

[@GrizzlyAdams101]

@@dabadaba530 the people who think poker is gambling or the ones paying this guys bills every month haha.

[@nicholasbeetel5827]

But do you have blockers to your opponents nut range though?

[@voyxu143]

Anything with money wagered on random events is gambling, therefore Poker is gambling. Chess is not gambling. There is nothing random about it.

[@xGlobs]

poker is gambling

[@frankhernandez6883]

Drunk & tired is NO WAY to play

[@richardtarjeft4884]

"I'll take AK suited over a blonde any day... Call me gay." - LOL

[@DabuDave]

thank you I listened to him two times to see wtf he said I thought he said blunt

[@steelrain81]

Gay!!! HAHHA

[@dallasgearsgodpettman1941]

This really does show the absolute grime in the midst of “golden age” of poker

[@eshootziscrs2868]

Quote of the movie, " I have such a huge edge I think I can afford a few mistakes......I can only recall one hand I played badly". From the guy fifteen drinks in the tank but out of the tournament. There's something to be said for not recalling all of your mistakes. Maybe you think you play better. Maybe you do.

[@jamesl9539]

People who are grinders are losers. I am great in poker and am a net winning player, but I have a normal full time job. By the way, I finished 4th in WSOP this year.

[@smokeykevin]

@@jamesl9539 lol sure kid

[@OneEyedJack01]

@@jamesl9539 not in the main event, you didn't.

[@jamesl9539]

@@OneEyedJack01 I was in the Stud event. I am a stud specilist and placed in the money three times in WSOP in that event. I also won (split three ways) borgata stud event few years ago.

[@jamesl9539]

That being said, it is really hard to win a tournament. I really thought I was going to win, but ran into a very very lucky guy who won it.

[@ed5308]

I play tournament poker. Its a total grind. You play all day and get sucked out on AA against KK or worse. It just gets boring so you give up and then come back. It fills the time I have left before I have to cash in my chips for real.

[@shtcoinmaxi1367]

"I play better when i drink"...famous last words

[@101spirited]

Probably drive better too

[@danwittal1788]

My father who was the best card I ever knew once said to me "drink or play cards don't do both" ... solid advice

[@shtcoinmaxi1367]

@@danwittal1788 your father is man of wisdom

[@renocool1558]

he had me believing until he said "it's limit, so I can afford to make few mistakes"

[@Juniorbrazz]

imagine drinking 7/7 for years .. just to play better, i rather quit trying

[@Smoshy16]

My Dad liked a flutter on the horses. He tended to win more than he lost. I'll never forget when he said to me one time "It's betting if you can afford to lose and gambling if you can't".

[@vladbcom]

What a beautifully done docu. Thank you.

[@Anonymous-nj2ow]

finishing like 7th-20th in a tourney is so disappointing because you dont really make much, and the upside was so close, great docu

[@chocolatetownforever7537]

Thats so crazy. I forget what he said the HORSE buy in was, but thats always been a prestigious event. Eleventh is a hell of an effort in that tournament. To double your money finishing 11th out of 800 does kind of suck.

[@timlindsay6363]

Very insightful and entertaining, especially for a rec player from Australia. Well done for showing the 'true' side of grinding. Genuinely sad for your and Cornelia's loss, though mate.

[@MikeKleinsteuber]

A great little documentary which has been nicely shot and cut. About the real world of poker playing. Well worth a watch

[@renocool1558]

without the hypnotizing music it sorta sucked, didn't go anywhere. But with the music its kind of a nostalgic trip. Also like the inclusion of the fish pool at Rio

[@yann-erikbourgeois2757]

Real world of poker addiction. These guys are not playing poker, they are not working on their game or on themselves, they are just lazy and hope to win by chance. Life never rewards you for your lazyness.

[@nomore1371]

That choice of chips for an underground game is horrible. Those are so easy to buy off Amazon. I play at a house game and they have chips I've never seen and can't find them online. The host won't tell anyone where he gets them and to me that's added security

[@financialeducation4433]

Amazon was still selling books in 2009

[@tylerbray8233]

I thought the exact same thing when I saw those chips- same chips used in many houses games. When I ran a game, I took inventory of the chips before and after every game. The day I found extra chips at the end of the night was the day I bought a new set.

[@NeoViny]

I have great respect for Lawrence! He is such a self-reflected and intelligent guy that has experienced a lot in his life.

[@martygi]

I love this documentary. Its so raw and made me think about life. I m very sorry for your loss. You were very brave filming this. Thank you.

[@tankfromthematrix]

I am a Grinder too, only with Day Trading ... I relate to this 100% ... great work.

[@Seriallette]

Stop it as soon as you can dude, it's even more gambling than Poker

[@veganbutcherhackepeter]

"This guy" at the tournament who flipped over the pocket aces against Danny's kings was poker pro Sorel Mizzi.

[@loudorchen9897]

There is no more of a sad existence than running around playing live cash games underground to make a living, especially if you aren't very good which seems to be the case with these players.

[@shivasirons6159]

Lou i dont see how you can say they're not good, we never really get to see how they actually play. The guy who came in 11 th certainly must be pretty good, i,d bet he's better than jamie gold.

[@loudorchen9897]

@@shivasirons6159 well I searched his online screen name from pokerstars and his biggest win online was 2200$ or so plus he had the phonecall about "unfreezing his funds" at the bank so it's safe to say he isn't doing too well, I'm not saying he was horrible, just saying it takes a really good player these days to make profit steady with a family and so on.

[@jsh0822]

Living paycheck to paycheck making a slave wage is the way to go I guess.

[@loudorchen9897]

get back in your wage cage Wojak

[@SmartDumbNerdyCool]

Existence is a sad existence unless you're hot shit, even then it will eventually become a sad existence.

[@Anthony-nv7gd]

Others have stated already but definitely a super depressing documentary. 46ish minute mark is as raw of a view into the life of a compulsive degenerate gambler as it gets. Sad that he sincerely believes he’s conquered his gambling and drinking addictions. That said, it’s really a top notch documentary. Well done.

[@nathanreid2274]

Yes Anthony I completely agree mate, I honestly believe he is a borderline alcoholic to think he can play better drunk. You make more mistakes when you are drunk, you are there to win money to live and pay your bills and make a life for yourself. He definitely has the skills to become a pro but just needs to change a couple of things.

[@acebenedict9945]

It’s amazing back in the early teens of 2000 , myself included , thought that they were poker pros , it’s crazy to look back at , how big poker was back then , I would estimate at least 97 percent of “poker pros” from that day are no longer poker pros lol

[@andrewtaylor9146]

After the shooting everyone stopped. Very few are still playing

[@okiedokiepushmowing9032]

Agree. I was earning a decent living winning thousands every month playing party poker and pacific poker. Black Friday hit and never cashed a dime online again. My live play is currently mediocre, but my ROI isn't enough to make a living. Occasionally I play live recreationally, but have accepted that the game has evolved and left my mediocre skills in the dust.

[@cafferacer]

2003 playing Phil Hellmuth on Ultimate Bet while living in East Palo Alto, him in Palo Alto hahaha . So old it was a fukin limit table.

[@andrewtaylor9146]

@@okiedokiepushmowing9032 that’s because U.S players left the international pool. They used to just give money away online

[@wesch6354]

It's because poker evolved. It's not good enough to just play the opponent anymore. You need to study and put in hours of work every week outside of playing to remain relevant today.

[@init2spinit386]

Dude talking about good business moves at poker table, yet 15 drinks deep 🤣

[@jack42011]

seriously... Falling asleep at his desk too....

[@rubberroast1598]

Been playing poker for over 25 years as a recreational player, and I am Positive cashflow. In my years I have learned that every poker player thinks they are better than they actually are. Some are way better than others obviously but players peg their skill higher than they actually are, no matter what level. Too many attribute their misses as just bad luck, and their big scores and years as skill as opposed to a lot of good luck mixed in there. This documentary has further substantiated this...

[@danwittal1788]

I was thinking alot about this comment. I too have been playing that long honestly a little longer. What you said is true for 95 percent of the players out there so many don't do anything to improve and feel they have a lock on the game with their current play style and knowledge. To me poker is ultimate example of self-responsibility it's all on you if you succeed or fail. You can choose to be a student of the game read study and play with players that may be better than you and try to learn. Or you can live in the world of denial blame your losses on bad beats and never really examine your own skill level. But at the end of the day thats great you want to be in a room full of people who think there are the best player at the table and exploit the mistakes that they are bound to make. Well said sir remember don't tap the glass.........

[@rubberroast1598]

@@danwittal1788 One of my own problems was that I was a regular winning player at the limits I play, so for years I just kept playing the same type of tourneys and games as a hobbyist. I never really took my game to the next level. It has evolved so much in last ten years. I decided to really study and learn and memorize new concepts and strategies and realized there was so much areas I could improve. I am winning but more now but still learning to take to next level. I am finding I am the minority out there. Even long time grinders out there from 15 years ago I bump into still have no idea of some of the newer strategies I have learned now, so I know they too are not expanding and investing the effort to learn to get better. I have. feeling some of those featured in this video are players who plateaued years ago.

[@-JohnGalt-]

Some Dunning Kruger effect at play, no doubt. Some endeavors suffer from this more than others. Poker is one of them.

[@allwrighty100]

Ran casinos for many years all over the world. In a couple of places we had poker rooms and as you say, so many people think they’re better than they are. It’s like an international standard.

[@titleshotsports]

Do a follow up, would like to see what everybody is doing today

[@AlexanderTheGreat1000]

Broke af bummin it. Old af

[@rockyraccoon6114]

He paid $40,000 for 2 musty poker tables, some IKEA chairs and 2 cameras from the 80s? Good investment buddy…

[@DrSpoculus]

It was. It's an already established business. The tables and chairs are the only things they can legally mention.

[@ananda_miaoyin]

He paid face value for all of the chips! Rocky Raccoon. Great song.

[@scbluesman13]

So we've got one low stakes grinder that has no money management skills, and isn't actively studying the game away from the table, another one who's basically a loose cannon with no etiquette at the table, and a club owner who doesn't pay his rent on time. These aren't professional poker players, these are avid poker players who make bad money decisions in life. I hope the best for them, I really do, but most grinders I know in the areas where I play would eat these guys for lunch. If I ever did decide to quit my day job and play poker full time, you can bet that 75% of the time would be spent studying, when not at the table. You have to keep studying this game because it's constantly changing. The average player today is heaps better than the average player in 1998.

[@ThirstyKnife]

I needed this. Not sure if I'm giving up or going in full time however, I needed this.

[@LowTide941]

Keep a job. Part time poker as a side hustle is the way to go…

[@marshawnlynch6244]

As someone who gambled to eat for 6 months in 2020, don't do it unless you have no other choice.

[@petersmith637]

@@marshawnlynch6244 I’m in that situation now man it sucks ass big time I’m scared to go up stakes and take that bigger risk coz it’s took me months to grind what I’ve got in my account 🤦‍♂️

[@TheBierman19]

Go in full time, bro. Don't listen to these posts. You are a winner!!!

[@EventsKiosk]

90% of gamblers quit right before they would have scored big.

[@freddiehavens9066]

I cannot imagine having a family and living this way. Irresponsible.

[@jamesl9539]

Yes, but it makes for a good documentary. People love watching train wreaks.

[@justinmcpeake192]

your so correct!!!

[@casecold1864]

Hey, you can always sell your ass at the tram station. Different people different lives bro, who are you to judge. They bring in the money, period.

[@freddiehavens9066]

@@casecold1864 who am I to judge? Someone who has given everything for his family, given up fun and poker and travel and women etc. That's responsibility. Going to a stable job every day. That's a real man.

[@mig7290]

@@freddiehavens9066 You're a lawyer not a fast food worker or a n Amazon worker. If people don't have the choice, abilities, or made the effort with studies the poker world has it's appeal.

[@giuliettarenner1343]

the picture is a perfect example of a true masterpiece going undetected...untill one day......and then....it will be acknowledged.....THIS FILM IS A MASTERWORK....on the level with California Split...Rounders....and The Cincinnati Kid......AND it is GREATER ...

[@thedeadmoney82]

Well done documentary. Loved the back story of each person and had me pulling for each one. Thank you for telling their story.

[@Lewissummerson]

This is a sick documentary how lucky was I to stumble across this

[@TheBierman19]

Sick is the right adjective for this documentary.......but I think I have a different meaning of the word than you do.

[@Lewissummerson]

@@TheBierman19 grow up mate. If you don’t like it then don’t watch

[@TheBierman19]

I liked it, and I am grown up much more than your childish mind.

[@Lewissummerson]

@@TheBierman19 just because my vocabulary is different to yours has nothing to do with how childish I am. Your definitely a 15yr old boy 100%

[@dylan4652]

This was done really well guy’s! Very real and raw look at struggling players today. I hope you’ll get some Recognition for this project.

[@ThePatriots010304]

If you have $40,000 worth of equipment, why wouldn't you pay your landlord $6,000 just to at least get your stuff out of there? Pay $6,000 or lose $40,000...Seems like a no brainer.

[@allwrighty100]

Not anywhere near $40,000 worth of equipment. At a stretch the actual business might be worth some money if you have good, regular players. He’s as dodgy as his landlord.

[@jeremyjenks902]

Wow, what a great documentary. I was hooked from the start.

[@wesch6354]

Ever since the mid 2000's when I won a free roll poker tournament I've wanted to be a professional poker player. It's a lot harder than this documentary makes it seem. I read books, study charts, and play online almost every day. Yet my win rate isn't enough to earn a living. Mostly because I play in small stakes games. Saving up to move up in stakes is extremely hard. It seems like every time I start building up a bankroll a car breaks down. Or my hvac breaks. Then I have to dip into the bankroll. But I keep grinding and hopefully one day I'll be able to quit my day job.

[@misterx6276]

That's always the hardest spot.

[@LowTide941]

Keep your job. Poker part time is the way to go

[@SPQR_14]

Poker is a dying game. Most of the fish quit and moved on. Now its tons of regs trying to out GTO one another. Yeah there is still a fish here and there, but my point is you ain't quitting your day job any time soon.

[@elastronaute1198]

Dude it's got a heck of a lot harder than when this documentary was made. The game is borderline 'solved' now. So those that excel are pushing really small edges and choosing the right games etc. It's no where near as easy as it was back then. That's why you're struggling. You're better off putting your time into trying to develop some sort of business on the side.

[@wesch6354]

​@SPQR_14 I never saw this comment. Yeah online there aren't many fish. But there are still tons playing live cash. The down side is its pretty high variance. It feels like the bigger the fish the bigger they suck out.

[@jasongarcia1886]

This is a real life Rounders

[@hanaanrosenthal]

What a great documentary. Honest and real. Thank you.

[@cryptoelite653]

Sad and depressing documentary. Do the opposite of what these guys do.

[@donttrustanyone3795]

Haha literally

[@hanssolo6990]

Well said

[@PJL7095]

lol yea… that Andre guy is talking how he’s out of shape & taking power naps. Everything he probably does is unhealthy right?. Like he says… grinding is being a degenerate

[@cincinnatigrinder4951]

No not everybody who plays for a living is like these guys.... I made over 80k... A year for the past 2 years.. playing mostly 2/5 and 5/10.... So yeah please don't confuse dumb poker players like these guys from New York... With real players.... These guys are a joke... They would be lucky to beat the 1/2 game where I play..No Cap....real talk.

[@stephanzinn4614]

When Dan talks about playing in a tournament and having 15 drinks, he’s fooling himself if he thinks that’s manageable.

[@EricLeetFishing]

Hasn't paid rent in a few months and he is flabbergasted the landlord has locked him out of his illegal poker room and telling him he needs to pay. And then he has the nerve to go to the police to lodge a complaint with lies 🤯

[@spiffinz]

He HAD been paying rent, the landlord lied and said they hadn't

[@UnarmedZombie]

@@spiffinz In his own words he said he hasn't been paying for 2-3 months and it's the landlord's fault for letting it get that far.

[@spiffinz]

@@UnarmedZombie hmm..... upon reviewing that piece of dialogue its technically possible to interpret it that way yes.

[@mumblesbadly7708]

Exactly! He blames the victim of his deadbeat ways for his situation.

[@jamesmartindale8783]

I wonder if the director ever got paid on the $100 bet on getting his stuff back

[@NathanielRupple]

This feels like it’s a documentary that aired on HBO in the late 90s with the landscape shots with the horn heavy jazz playing over the shot

[@chocolatetownforever7537]

I saw that when I was in college. I thought it was called Kid Poker, before Negraneau made it big, but I could be wrong. If you remember the title, please let me know, because id love to watch it again somewhere.

[@shivasirons6159]

I like to keep my poker philosophy to myself but no one reads my comments anyway so. " The KEY to poker is aggression, the SECRET to poker is folding".

[@jack42011]

absolutely! win as much as possible, lose as little as possible.

[@Moneyovertruth]

Lol ya who needs GTO when you know that

[@OGRE_HATES_NERDS]

how is folding a secret

[@OGRE_HATES_NERDS]

everyone knows about folding

[@jack42011]

@@OGRE_HATES_NERDS not a secret, THE secret... difference between a pro and a rec... pro's rarely get married to their hands.

[@adrianamatlack532]

If you are playing poker just for income, and you do not enjoy, then you will burn out fast. You have to love this game, or you will hate playing for a living.

[@TheEpicChronicles]

As I heard once, poker is the hardest way of making easy money...

[@Zoggyboyzimmy]

It’s not that hard

[@ryceryder85]

@@Zoggyboyzimmy it’s tough if you want to make a living from it. 99.99999% of people can’t sustain it long term.

[@loudorchen9897]

@@Zoggyboyzimmy it's pretty hard

[@Zoggyboyzimmy]

@@loudorchen9897 ive been playing full time for 4 years and its easy =]

[@loudorchen9897]

@@Zoggyboyzimmy I've been playing for 10 and no it isn't, of it was easy everyone would be doing it, and since you're winning so much what's your online screen name so we can see some receipts about your winnings? Oh let me guess you just play live and you have no receipts?

[@richardboughton8338]

I had a close relative with a gambling addiction, not related to poker, and it almost ruined him, but after meeting the right person in his life, and with a lot of help from us his family, he slowly pulled it around and has not looked back. However he readily admits that just on odd occasions he could easily fall back into again.

[@xNightbound]

The main aspect that I really like from this documentary is the outlook that poker gives people. The club owner got absolutely screwed over and put into hospital and he still seems absolutely fine, as he knows just in poker, he got dealt a bad hand and his just unlucky right now but luck changes and he will bounce back… Anyone else would be in the ditches having lost everything. Just like what Daniel said, if he went broke, he would be unphased; and I believe that. I dont think he would batt an eye at losing all his wealth, he simply wouldn't care. Andre is an extreme example, where he neglects basic needs, just to reach his poker goals. Although you have to give him credit for his determination. This documentary got bad reviews but I think it has a lot of depth, if you look out for it. Well done to the director.

[@wesch6354]

I think Daniel would definitely be phased if he lost everything and had to start all over. He just might not let it keep him down like some people would. There are 2 kinds of people in the world. Those who get back up after being knocked down no matter how many times. And those who give up and lay there. Most of the time the truly successful people are the ones who always get back up.

[@carlmarks8170]

People will try to goad you,. They'll try to own you. But this isn't a gunfight. It's not about pride or ego. It's only about money. You can't lose what you don't put in the middle. But you can't win much either.

[@Harpin519]

If the guy didn’t get behind on rent he would’ve had no problem, he was making 2K ea night , he must’ve lost it all playing 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Harpin519]

6 guys should’ve pitched in a grand ea to bail him out 1 time 🍀

[@ryand6150]

there was a lot the club owner was leaving out, most likely he fell behind on rent because he is gambling addict and got evicted even the court ruled against him.

[@0524432]

a fish made a movie about trying to be a real reg "my goal is just just win a few big pots each night" literally no real pro has ever thought or said this ever

[@CIFD8Champs16]

Considering I’ve read Harrington on Cash Games: Part 1 and 2, both more than once, I’ll just tell you you’re completely wrong. If you go ALL IN twice in a session, get called and win both, you’ve more than likely had a profitable session, even if you got WRECKED in most of the small pots throughout the same session.

[@justinvalthomas3731]

I've read a lot of out dated poker books too. Including the ones you mentioned. Successful pros don't try to win a couple 'good' pots a night. The OP is right... that's absolutely something a fish would say.

[@arthurfonzarelli9828]

I think he's trying to simplify it for people. Obviously he's has an idea what his hourly wage probably is if he puts the time in and has an edge long term. It's all one big game. Will brunson says you should count how much your head or behind the end of the year only that way you're not letting short-term results get to you

[@arthurfonzarelli9828]

@@CIFD8Champs16 it shouldn't matter either way if you're playing with the mindset of it's all one big game then you shouldn't get overly emotional or have a goal like that

[@OneEyedJack01]

@@CIFD8Champs16 If you base your game on Harrington, you're about 25 years behind modern poker theory. You are going to get chewed up and spit out at any competent table.

[@Harpin519]

This was so good I wish it was longer , could’ve put an hr on top , Good job , Sorry for your loss , Goodluck 🍀

[@Hugo_Fernandez]

5:10 "I'll take AK suited over a blond everyday, call me g @y" 🤣🤣🤣

[@sebastiendroletpoitras3738]

Absolutely loved it, what year was this filmed? Doesn't seem super old but also doesn't seem super recent. I would guess 15 years ago

[@M_Teague]

2011

[@jasonbourneistreadstone]

@@M_Teague Yes, that TV Lawrence showed looked a little dated.

[@OneEyedJack01]

It's old. Not a single player ever mentioned ranges, balancing, GTO, or equity. If they are not using those terms today, they're not grinders. The fact that not a single one ever mentioned bank roll management shows they are bad grinders.

[@jasonbourneistreadstone]

@@OneEyedJack01 Exactly Jack. The other posts on this video saying it can be done I'll not dispute - IF you are a skilled player. But that's not any of these guys.. None of them. According to IMDB, this was completed in 2011, so well after the Poker Boom but nowhere recent. These guys are bad regs - or perfect for the house, except he got blackmailed and robbed too. Literally everyone is this video lost.

[@kevinfinnerty8414]

“That guy hasn’t had to work in 15 years Worm” “You don’t think that’s work what he does. Grinding it out every day on his fuckin leather ass. No thank you”

[@teresakatrinak8158]

I so enjoyed this documentary, thank you.

[@Tell_It_Right]

If you're broke and unemployed, gambling is the last thing on earth you need.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

DUH!!

[@marshawnlynch6244]

I'd argue a woman is the last thing you need. At least you might win at the gambling.

[@aloha270999]

​@@marshawnlynch6244 unless you meet a woman with a good job.

[@dogguy8603]

Ehh, poker is one of the few games you will find in a casino where you can get and edge on and win at

[@HumansAreBots]

What if I’m unemployed but not broke, no kids, no wife, paid off car, cheap rent, and 50k in savings as well as 4k per month in income from peddling weed..??

[@davidtan6084]

Thank you, this has so much meaning, and lessons, in poker and in life.

[@2017Fed]

“My goal is to win a couple of big hands each night” - that’s from the film rounders my dude

[@moosee6619]

In Rounders its "one big pot an hour"

[@darylmixan8170]

Its not about winning big pots, its about doing whats right in your situation...

[@E4EonEbay]

The difference in Rounders was he was griding at limit poker like a 10/20 limit game and his goal was one big blind per hour which would equate to a $20 per hour job, hence the the term grind like a regular 9-5 grind. This is why he decides to jump into the no limit game and risk his bankroll to escape the grind. The best quote was "You see, I learned how to win a little at a time. But finally I've learned this: if you're too careful, your whole life can become a fuckin' grind."

[@Falwheel]

Life is certainly an adventure, really enjoyed video, thank you.

[@danberkheiser7860]

I’m so disturbed over this guys drinking and thinking he plays better after 15 drinks he fits the exact mold of everyone i know who does the same thing and has a real problem

[@OneEyedJack01]

He is an addict, period. Passed out drunk while playing a poker tournament tells you everything you need to know about him. He's just feeding his addictions and pretending that it's all about supporting his family.

[@danwittal1788]

@@OneEyedJack01 I have played with guys like this a thousand times one dude all coked up rebought in a 60-dollar tourney 10 times, great people to have at your table they let their ego's get the best of them and usually have an attention span of a fruit fly.

[@giovannigaggia8300]

Really enjoyed watching this documentary, well done, you caught some really amazingly true poker lovers worlds man! Well done!!! :-) :-) :D :D

[@aviakaabrahamlanger8767]

The "Cincinnati Kid" club manager has some very funny lines. " I cruise around the law,I don't break the law" very good advert line offering to run a game for the law laugh 😆 😄 😀 smile 😁

[@brandoncooke6564]

"that's big screen tv" Lol effin' classic, man

[@OldMcDnald]

Yo I was rolling when he said that shit 😂😂

[@TacoMental]

Daniel's answer about freedom is pretty spot on.

[@jeffwinchell7444]

I’m pretty sure I watched this years ago, it’s obviously older. Still, really good and hits home. I know exactly how you guys felt, I’m still waiting for my big break. Cashed at the WSOP circuit last week but, not as good as I wanted to. …always unlucky at the end it seems! That’s poker!

[@aprillovesgolf7042]

Congrats, Jeff!

[@willjohnson8280]

243rd place. $941. I see u Jeff

[@TALVINEN]

well they're talking about "full tilt pros" and FT went down 2011.

[@samnord3262]

You're right. It came out in 2011.

[@Joshezellentrepreneur]

Thank you for sharing such an important and intimate look into your life. Hope you and your wife are good. Great Doc.

[@OneOut1]

I would love to see a follow up to this.

[@Gamblezee]

I have to watch all gambling movies no matter what.

[@AlexNGC123]

11 years on predictions of where are they now: Filmmaker Matt was first to quit grinding seriously and managed to find sporadic success in television and documentary work, enough to live a pleasant life with wife and kid. He still plays occasionally in a local home game for fun. Andre's dream to make it as a pro died a few years later when the games became tougher. He moved into the IT sector and now works in cybersecurity. Poor man's Danny Negreanu was the last to throw the towel in, breaking even for a number of years before eventually being so deep in make-up that his backer had to cut him off. He then went on to start a home security company with a friend and earns a decent living installing alarm systems. Lawrence, my heart's pulling for him to have gotten his poker room inventory back and started up a highly lucrative Molly's game private room, but to be honest it's not looking good..

[@matti4742]

Daniel Negreanu is currently 3rd all time with $49,6mil in tournament cashes and is still crushing at the highest level

[@loudorchen9897]

Where did you find all of this information?

[@AlexNGC123]

@@loudorchen9897 They are my own predictions of their fate, no knowledge of what actually happened

[@jeffreyg5718]

@@AlexNGC123 😂😂😂😂😂

[@shivasirons6159]

AlexNGC. I pray the director has another child but if not maybe they can adopt.

[@gratler]

This was shot in 2011. i really wonder what happened to all these guys. Games got more difficult. i doubt they were able to hold on to poker. except for Dnegs that is

[@charliewatts6895]

Yeah, I used to play from 2011 - 2015 - games got harder and harder. I was still winning, but really questioned what I was doing with my time, and got out.

[@timcarter817]

I can’t imagine how he couldn’t watch himself change with every drink and realize how much it is affecting his performance

[@OldMcDnald]

Can you watch yourself change with every card game and realize how it's affecting you?

[@snowfox0110]

@@OldMcDnald One better be. One should definitely try harder if one cannot.

[@snowfox0110]

@@OldMcDnald One better be. One should definitely try harder if one cannot.

[@miketang8719]

Idk considering he beat a field of 800+ people for 11th over 3 days of play I’d say he’s actually +EV for each drink he’s had, and then apple picking in the morning right after, some people are built different

[@timcarter817]

@@miketang8719 lmao wut? You’re judging off a tiny sample size, galaxy brain

[@mikeyd845]

trusting pokerstars was the biggest mistake in the whole story...

[@steveng8727]

I heard former pro and 3x bracelet winner Dutch Boyd say almost all poker pros go broke, take heed young gamblers..

[@OneEyedJack01]

Pros with no BRM go broke. ie people like life looser Mike Matusow.

[@veganbutcherhackepeter]

Most even go broke more than once.

[@shivasirons6159]

Well done, i liked the mood music behind it. Best of luck.

[@chocolatetownforever7537]

This is what poker used to be like everywhere. There werent freerolls and endorsement deals for the top guys, where they can play any two cards in some tournament, and still get appearance money if they lose early. Its the way poker should always be. A tough way to make an easy living, complete with all the rollercoasters that come with it. Making a living playing cards should be that way for all, otherwise everyone would be doing it.

[@ryceryder85]

Losing a few buy ins should not mean your aren’t eating that week. You need 40+ buy ins at your current stake minimum

[@well.thy.one.]

100+ id yea but yea

[@nomore1371]

I like that rule. 40+ buy ins. Write out a plan and stick to it for moving up and down according to bankroll and not feelings like we all do when we get started. We all just want that big score at first until we realize that this journey takes discipline.

[@stephens2272]

Yes but your talking about degens..lol so 1 buyin.. they lose they borrow lol

[@CCCoNeTiMe]

These guys couldn't smell bankroll even if it smacked then in the ass with rolled up kings over aces.

[@casecold1864]

100 is the standard. Just lik in the stock market, no more than 1% of your porfolio should be in a daytrade.

[@jackd6129]

Excellent excellent excellent. I spent a few years in these rooms and you captured the emotion perfectly. I was lucky, then not so much, and got out, and it appears you probably did too. Your movie will likely inspire many many others to quit once and for all.

[@paulcesargonzalez3331]

Dad wearing sun glasses at the dinner table is a certified bad ass.

[@ezumach]

I live in Vegas for many years now. I don’t gamble aside from my five dollar parlay on the UFC each weekend, just to make the fights a little bit more exciting. Never really got into gambling. But I can tell you, there are a lot of people who live here who do make a living as professional gambler. But noticed the difference between the successful poker player, who has a protein shake, oatmeal and a healthy breakfast after a good sleep. The guy who drinks, 15 beers, and is stuffing his face full of junk food late at night. Completely different approaches, and different outcomes.

[@robbetts]

38:00 dude's dad is sitting at the table with goombah sunglasses, talking with food in his mouth while trying to give life advice 🤣

[@RegVarney13]

Lawrence: 'Without risk and adventure, life is not life'. Couldn't agree more mate, God Bless!

[@martinhockaday2625]

That was a great film of how poker really is for everyday pros

[@alibobali4032]

no

[@user-ub8ck3fi6s]

I think you mean degenerate gamblers that never make it. That's more like it. The ones making it won't be noticed until they make it. Ask me how

[@allwrighty100]

Gave up working for two years when his kid was born? Found himself broke and unemployed and took up gambling? Wtf?

[@kiddd65]

12 years later Andre is still living at home playing $1/$2 on the side. He is a pro "grinder" haha

[@init2spinit386]

Lmfao 💀 🤣

[@Roedycross]

Rakeback pro

[@jack42011]

🤣

[@randyschatz5539]

Andre was super annoying

[@mikehill8881]

He acts like a fool at the table. He doesn’t have what it takes to be a pro. You don’t see pros jumping around like a idiot and yelling at other players.

[@mgadmusic]

This was a Great Video! You should make documentaries. Great Job!!!

[@tymgreentech]

lol this was a documentary filmed in 2011

[@Rossboe1]

Imagine running a illegal gambling den, and not paying your rent?!! He should be 3 months in front to keep the guy sweet.

[@kibspoker]

Hey man, this was a fantastic movie!!! thanks for sharing

[@tomrobertson6747]

I like the tenant. He's funny. He's months behind in his rent but the landlord is taking advantage of him.

[@TheBierman19]

Funny??? Explain to me how he is funny??

[@nGUNNARp]

months behind on rent, running an illegal business out of the space, but wants to go to cops when landlord demands a cut of said illegal business

[@TheBierman19]

........you still haven't described what is funny?!??

[@tomrobertson6747]

@@TheBierman19 @nGUNNARp spoke for me. By "funny", I meant to call attention to how outrageous it was that he's the leech and he says that his landlord is taking advantage of him.

[@sarahdeshay1394]

Multi table 7 card stud is not very smart, you must remember every card that has been folded to play ultimately.

[@m3dus455]

i met the lady that saved my mums life at poker ........ poker reflects life ... fantastic game ......brilliant film !!!!

[@MC-gj8fg]

I don't get it. How is it legal to deny a tenant that ability to retrieve the possessions that are legally theirs? Laws must be hella different in Canada. In my neck o the woods a landlord would be hard pressed to eject a tenant who was straight up squatting in their house, not paying a penny and pissing on the walls let alone lock out a tenant without cause and steal their stuff to boot.

[@danploeg]

This is a commercial space different rules. Sounds like he was behind on rent.

[@sols.2525]

@@danploeg I honestly dont think he was behind on rent. I think the landlord knew he could get away with taking advantage of the situation. Guy paid in cash and probably wasnt smart enough to get receipts.

[@danploeg]

@@sols.2525 he lost when in front of the board. They are normally sympathetic to tenants.

[@richboyprado]

Such a good documentary. Does anyone know how the subjects are doing, present day?

[@mikefitz3063]

Awesome! Loved it!

[@kenbagwell8551]

This was really good. I've done just enough of this crap to appreciate it.

[@jamesosullivan4604]

Beautiful doc your a very talented film maker. Really enjoyed it thank you, I wish you and your family the best!!!

[@jamesireland6606]

I like the documentary and I started thinking that's what I've done my whole life at different jobs just grinding

[@MaydayAggro]

yeah. everyone working for a paycheck is grinding.

[@arthurfonzarelli9828]

A difference is though you put your hours in every week and are guaranteed some income. Sometimes these guys put their hours in in not only don't get an income but they lose money which makes it way way more mentally taxing than working a job

[@nparula]

I played poker professionally Blume during the poker book of the early 2000’s. I was making a killing and it was killing me. The lows were always so much worse than the highs…I was never happy. I was lucky to cash out about a month before Black Friday and haven’t looked back. I still enjoy watching poker and I don’t regret the time I played but it’s not a life for everyone!

[@CtheDead209-zt8tj]

Sure pal got a link to career earnings?