The Great Venture Debate feat. Fareeha, Samito & Bonez

[@mmorpgal4229]

If Venture doesn't have "Rock and Stone" for a voice line I am uninstalling.

[@ricardobph]

-She- *They have!

[@danielnstr]

For Rock and Stone!

[@ozman5466]

Already uninstalled a month ago.

[@baxmusskywalker5524]

@@ozman5466proud of you for you on making your recovery. I’m still in the thick of it sadly

[@mmorpgal4229]

​@@danielnstrFOR CARL!!!

[@nethstar]

Seriously, at points in this episode, it felt like a parody of what progressivism looks like. It's all broad stroke, surface level statements about capitalism, the patriarchy and "Society" without any nuance or depth to said statements. I think my brain broke when Fareeha said "good art can not flourish under capitalism" then immediately references two films that both flourished under capitalism completely invalidating the statement entirely.

[@craigboure7607]

i can only imagine all the capitalistic products she uses daily to stream for her career LOL

[@skellit5705]

While being a twitch streamer in America making 6 figures playing a video game made in America 😂

[@Rocker9861]

SVB is on a woke trip. Very sad to see.

[@SandlerShephord]

Capitalism is a dog, if we the people reward bad behavior, than just like a dog, itll do more bad things, so when we let prices go up and we keep buying and we never say no to prices increasing with our actual wallets then its gonna be pretty bleak, like everyone hates walmart and make fun of what it's become but like, we created that 😂 so really we just didnt do a good job of training the market to be actually healthy.

[@Prefury]

whenever these types refer to "the board" of a company, it's always some 79 IQ shit. "The board" is responsible for everything I dislike, when Blizz does something I do like, it's because the few good ones were able to overcome the capitalism and give us a they/them :(((

[@austinmcmahan6267]

i know this wasn't the intention but it is a bit disrespectful that the venture debate was about their gender identity when all the other hero debates were about their design, balance, and role in the game

[@b23beatz]

Yep

[@skarloeythomas5172]

It is disrespectful. It's always disheartening that people striving for acceptance reduce people to one-dimensional identities of ideological promotion. There's a lot more physicality and history to people that makes them so much more diverse. It's like talking to a guy with crutches only in terms of his being crippled. He'd grow tired of and offended by it quickly.

[@WindReiter10]

​@@skarloeythomas5172bro just compared trans people to disabled people

[@griffionow1468]

​@WindReiter10 say you missed the entire point without saying you missed the entire point

[@aydo6721]

as a non binary person myself i greatly appreciate that the episode is about that, also i am sure that they will talk about ventures gameplay more when they have more time with the char, but they specifically chose to release a debate now in order to make it about trans acceptance. i dont see who this is disrespectful to.

[@willywonka00]

My pro nouns are fucking heal me

[@cnnr_]

You should do conservative stand up comedy. You'd get tonnes of applause. No laughs, just applause. Also do vaccines, they love that shit

[@paulahrens581]

@@cnnr_ you're a salty they them

[@scamlikely1384]

@@cnnr_tf is a tonne

[@user-ng9qf4sy9f]

@@cnnr_ your funny😐

[@aydo6721]

@@cnnr_ i dont think they were necessarily being hateful

[@adamjames8419]

'It's not some political thing guys' 20 minutes earlier rants about capitalism and patriarchy lol

[@K3nji_S]

There is a disproportionate amount of time devoted to representation rather than gameplay or how fun the character is. And this is coming from someone in the lgbt community.

[@skarloeythomas5172]

Thanks for the review, I will click off the podcast then.

[@SekundesCCFFVII]

It's a debate about the free week-end, so what the character "means" is more topical than their gameplay for now, since we're still playing a beta version.

[@skarloeythomas5172]

@@SekundesCCFFVII that's a good point, but it's titled the same way as like 'Great Mauga Debate' and they didn't spend any time talking about him being Samoan or anything like that. So when they do the podcast about the actual gameplay, what's that title going to be?

[@SekundesCCFFVII]

@@skarloeythomas5172 The Great Season 10 debate

[@moritzmehno770]

Why disproportionate? Its the first non binary hero and people are talking about it alot while being negative, so it makes sense to also talk about it alot in a Podcast for the Hero.

[@idolhell1500]

Venture definitely seems like dps doom where you're all in and you either kill 3 or feed which is fun

[@sjsjjsjsjxjxdjdjddj6750]

Yeah she's quite fun i hope she doesn't get nerfed i think she's balanced

[@nealhodge8560]

@@sjsjjsjsjxjxdjdjddj6750might get some tweaks but other than that a great addition to the dps roster

[@VladTepes-SaviorofEurope-mw4uy]

Samito and Salt were the only ones who actually talked about the gameplay. The other two can go kick a rock with a bare foot for trying to bring po|itics into the discussion.

[@Guthbox]

@@VladTepes-SaviorofEurope-mw4uy Anyone who pays attention and operates in good faith knows that they aren’t the ones who make their existence political…

[@TheWorldTurntle]

@@VladTepes-SaviorofEurope-mw4uyThey aren’t the ones who make their right to exist political….

[@Prefury]

capitalism is when I don't like something - Fareeha, inhaling carbon monoxide.

[@harrisonfelice8160]

Capitalism is when big company does thing I don't like

[@IHJello]

It's ironic how America's biggots and nefarious people are on blast with emotional media meanwhile Canada openly champions its "you are not like me" with its French/English relationship. Jared Bauer did an amazing video on Idiocracy recently. Everyone likes to say "Idiocracy predicted our future" but no one says how or why but Jared concluded it's bc the public openly clings what is given to them. Pair that with corporate branding becoming the new political regime. He really highlights how people are only repeating an fundamentally designed echo. Worth a watch. You can argue it's not 1 to 1 but his breakdown of how truth was sought from nature to religion to politics to now branding is unseeable in my eyes.

[@riatri9690]

I'm a member of the LGBT community and I tuned into this podcast because its a "debate" and yet, this podcast episode was far from a debate and more about politics and all that jazz, honestly, very disappointed that there was barely any gameplay talk and more about "Yes but the identity though.." like we are beyond that point now, we've gotten a new LGBT OW hero, lets talk about their gameplay and debate what is their goods and bads. Honestly SVB, more and more of your podcasts are becoming less about the actual game, let alone actual debates, podcasts get hard carried by Sam and Freedo who genuinely debate on healthy grounds whilst even now Flats just comes to exist on the podcast and drops his "Oh I dont wanna say anything or those people will come for me.." every 10 mins when he's asked to give his opinion. Never thought I'd see the fall off of this podcast but its happening and thats really upsetting to see, really hoping you turn this around, there's many new smaller content creators working their hearts out that would be fun to see on here as well just to talk about the game from diff POVs.

[@IcyColdStare]

If you cannot understand the value of the conversation being had I don't know what to tell you

[@exaltedexile6290]

What is an LGBT?? You skipped about 17 letters. Probably 18 by the time you read this comment

[@riatri9690]

@@IcyColdStare Congratulations on proving my point.

[@mangshu21]

​@@IcyColdStareif you broadcast it to 400 million people maybe but the views here come from avid overwatch fans and it not a lot lol

[@Synical02]

​@@IcyColdStareYou can Understand the Value of the conversation about ventures identity without making it a majority topical focus. The point is to address it, then treat venture or whomever as they are supposed to be treated. Most trans/ non binary people want to fit into society without being seen or feel Alien to themselves. Focusing this much energy on it kinda just makes it look like a sore spot. The intro was actually a pretty good way to set the tone for the pod,while addressing the topic.

[@sav3278]

I am not an avid 'stream watcher' but when I can't play the game I will sometimes watch someone stream to help lessen the itch of not being able to play. Honestly, Samito tilts a bit too much for me to be a regular viewer (not a criticism, that is 100% just a personal taste thing) but I have tuned in a couple of times. I distinctly remember watching him stream one night and hearing a transwoman speak in voice on his team and like catching my breath and bracing myself for him or his team to turn nasty. I was fucking blown away when Samito went out of his way to be kind to her, having a whole conversation about the colour of her nail polish in-between fights. Like that should not have surprised me but kindness and empathy is still so rare in gaming spaces. He has held a special place in my heart since then.

[@frankmartinez4909]

Yeah, just from watching him over the years. He has certain conservative beliefs, he’s very far from a liberal person. But he has never let that dictate how he treats another person personally. The only criteria he has is how good they are at the game and how they conduct themselves. At least publicly. We never really know how these people are in their private lives.

[@Aurora12488]

Was it Valentino? I don't know if they're trans, but Sam and Valentino are so freaking funny together. It's super endearing to watch.

[@theodorechau3006]

@@frankmartinez4909 you bring up a great pet peeve of mine, and that is judging people solely by what they believe. I know conservatives from bad backgrounds who are the nicest people I know. I also know liberals who I wouldn't trust as far as I could nudge them. The same goes in reverse. I know horrible conservatives and great liberals. Society in general (me included) need to remember that political stances =/= morality (barring notable exceptions, there is room for disagreement in conversations where one side or the other is not literally evil, also known as "nuance") and people should be judged on their own individual merits. Anyone can say they believe whatever they want, they should be judged by action.

[@cheeekeygames]

​@@theodorechau3006 thanks for saying this because someone had to. Why judge someone you don't know at all. He literally just raised loads of money for a children's hospital. Make your own opinions people instead of taking other's opinions as your own

[@Kanggaxx]

It's not like he had a choice lmao. He can't possibly be bigotted while streaming

[@mazfgit]

What is super fascinating about this conversation is every point that is made can be used equally for both sides. Samito sums up his conversation with "let people be people" and SVB monologues about "it isn't a big deal" and it isn't anything more than "a miniscule change on the scheme of things" but nobody wants to play the devils advocate. It's as simple as; no matter what argument or point you promote, every single point stands as equally valid for BOTH sides of the conversation. You want to say let people be people but what if those people WANT to misgender you. By your own admission you have to let them do what they want. So we have LuckyBonez agreeing with Samito then literally in the next section they speak, they tell bigots to "fuck off". Isn't that the definition of hypocrisy? I think a discussion about changing language that uses the same language is both impossible to solve and one of the most extremely unique conversations that go round.

[@Vastspartan]

At this point, I'm proud to be called a bigot. The word lost its meaning, like racist and pedo.

[@Azrael_Xx_]

I think logic is missing from this comment section. Still a W comment.

[@thezoppitee9232]

Stop making sense. You are hurting their brains. Their brains are as fragile as their egos and fee fees.

[@livesinalazywonderland4021]

if people want to be malicious then that’s already bad on its own. You just have to accept that people don’t want to be around with you, it has nothing to do with controlling someone’s language

[@thezoppitee9232]

@@livesinalazywonderland4021 You just said it isn't about controlling language while simultaneously calling anyone that doesn't use said language "malicious."

[@user-nc2pn8kf3k]

Did a good job not talking about Venture’s kit, role, balance state etc.

[@pigeon_9161]

I was playing venture earlier, I was 23-15 lowest kills, highest deaths. But my smile was huge the whole time. Obviously its bc of QP and bc they are new, but no character made me feel so good while feeding my brains out, new or otherwise. There really is an energy about Venture and its awesome. And obviously the gameplay is great, some adjustments I'd like but they're really fun to play

[@mylorddio8272]

She

[@boiqi]

@@mylorddio8272 language skill issue

[@almondwater9583]

@@mylorddio8272someone got mad cause I called venture a girl in chat 🤣

[@Ren_Ca]

​@@mylorddio8272they*

[@Chazza-01]

@@mylorddio8272 Lets not play that game. Respect others opinions and let them call them whatever. And you can carry on calling them her :) I have been calling her "her", but it is just a game at the end of the day. And my god is she fun :)

[@rosalbaemenov8760]

Sad to see Samito part of this 🤡 show

[@Void_Sol]

I feel like I got crossed up with this episode because I came to hear about the character but didn't get much of that. Identity politics and stuff I get it, I am black trust me I get it. I just would have liked it in the title tbh. Especially when I want to know peoples opinions on the character. If anything tho, I know the word "debate" is just in the title to click bait I guess but I always like when the panel has differing opinions on things but I didn't get that from this episode either tbh.

[@Maverick_1926]

You should have expected it from the woke svb

[@Akoustikus]

@@Maverick_1926 I think you must have misclicked, clearly you meant to listen to the Grow Up! Podcast.

[@utk8718]

In these kind of topics, if you start debating and don't agree with them, you will be labelled as the most heinous person in the world. Its better to just agree and move on

[@ludwigvanbeethoven8164]

What does you black have to do with identity? Not once in the whole Bible does it mention someones skin color...only their nation. My mom is half-chinese...and my grandfather emigrated from Malaysia, but we dont care to say that to everyone and definitely not put an "identity". Im human. Theyre human. Im family. Theyre family. Who cares what you look like...only a minority people actually care what your skin color is and will use it against you, and if they do that, trust me...they have worse qualities than that.

[@TysonASMR]

As a member of the LGBT community, I’m probably gonna call venture she/her many times in the heat of the moment 💀

[@BrenoGF144]

My countries Venture VA is a trans man, and we do not have a proper neutral pronoun yet (only neopronouns), so I've called them he/him so many times too 😭😭😭

[@ludwigvanbeethoven8164]

Who cares

[@T1J]

The KZbin comments are so much less obnoxious than the twitch chat

[@livesinalazywonderland4021]

I cant imagine the twitch chat then. Also when are you gonna debate destiny

[@Maverick_1926]

Svb moderates the comments and deletes the worst ones

[@skellit5705]

Twitch chat is so fast and more untraceable to the average viewer/chatter so the anonymity factor is thru the roof

[@thekinggenie8901]

Ok cool but is venture fun to play?

[@ducasse8473]

You're gonna have to skip this one if you want that info bud.

[@vinsmoke-d-sanji9575]

Poor samito, bro my hat goes off to u for having the patience to sit through all this bullshit it's clear he doesn't care about gender politics and just cares about the gameplay

[@nibbler7687]

they literally had him here just to sat his white a ss and listen 🤣 as if he had to prove that he is not a hateful person

[@ljb5163]

He clearly does care about this or he wouldn’t be there. He’s even said on his own stream that people like you have to get over it and that he will continue to say they/them. I love how you guys are trying to claim Sam into your transphobic group. Lol

[@vinsmoke-d-sanji9575]

@@ljb5163 he would be better off in the group of people with common sense instead of idiots that believe there is more than two genders and when no one agrees with u guys u get triggered and try ruin someone's life by trying to get them canceled

[@tloyp2584]

its hilarious (but also cringe) to watch him walk on eggshells the entire time. that's how you know it's a real "debate"

[@nibbler7687]

Man it's really insane watching 3 people living in a first world country, that make a living playing games online, call themselves "struggle minorities" and waste time fighting for the rights of a fictional character, you have no right of ever complaining about your life ever again

[@ranjnijan3446]

Preech. My family is from Iraq who has seen too much massacre from Saddam Hussain wiping out my people to America invading Iraq and now recently to the people of my faith being murdered. The way Westerners act is disgraceful to human life when so many people are suffering globally yet they act like victims.

[@nash3timemvp]

Western entitlement, they have no concept of much outside of their streamer bubbles.

[@BlueRiptide]

honestly. it puts it into perspective how silly of an issue this stuff even is as a species that people get upset about certain things like this

[@sc0rch009]

Disagree on Venture's personality. Aaron originally described them as a swashbuckling adventurer (which even that is a stretch for a character who spends their life underground--you tell me a character is effectively a mole person, I am going to guess they're an antisocial freak, not Harrison Ford). But fine, this is OW's Indiana Jones character. But now we see them, and in what way are they swashbuckling? Do their animations give swashbuckling? Their voicelines? Their abilities? I mean, the answer is objectively no. I don't know, I think the characters have become homogeneous from a writing standpoint, and it's sufficient for the devs to just paint them with the broadest possible brush of "happy character", "sad character". See Venture, see Illari. Even the best-written OW2 characters (JQ and Ramattra) are flat relative to their OW counterparts. The specificity of a Tracer or a Zenyatta is gone, sadly. They've gone from creating unforgettable characters to forgettable ones, simply put.

[@S3nCh4n]

OW2 devs need to realise what drew players to their favourite characters are their roles in the different major plotlines in the ow universe. But I did realise that most of the original leads for OW1 (concept artist, designers, writers) have left during the content drought. Hence why you see new characters struggling to fit into the universe and don't really have intricate connections with the original cast.

[@Maverick_1926]

It's crazy how they mention the phrase "wide as the ocean and deep as a puddle" in reference to marvel heroes but not to what they like, when is that obvious that OW heroes are not deep at all. They are that blind and clueless

[@ducasse8473]

Where did he say that?

[@sc0rch009]

@@ducasse8473 BlizzCon, but my bad, I went back and saw it was Daryl who introduced Venture, not Aaron. Point being though that there seems to be a muddled vision in the new roster, and all the elements of character design aren't coming together as strongly as they did in the first batch of OW heroes. Just my opinion of course, and I'm happy to see Venture looks like a lot of fun to play in terms of mechanics.

[@AarPlays]

The ow2 cast absolutely is ... Barebones. Its like a bunch of random people went "i want to do good" i mean, ventures launch wad literally "they disturbed the dig site, now they must pay". At least mauga kinda has some backstory. More than kiri, who is just girl that grew up with genji (somehow?)

[@lunasmileyy]

To add to the “Overwatch killer” conversation: people generally want a killer because they fell out of love with a game and nothing else really scratches that itch. Fortnite doesn’t get the same energy towards it because people love the updates and they make changes that please most people. Overwatch, on the other hand, has to appeal to so many different groups, from 6v6 enjoyers no role limit enjoyers, support/dps/tank mains, one tricks, etc etc, so there will always be a group that wants a game to do what they love from Overwatch but that appeals to them.

[@AarPlays]

If we want to normalize it, then stop highlighting it. Anything under a spotlight will never be normal because it's under a spot light. Fine, venture is NB, i don't care. No one cares. I don't care who the imaginary characters like to date either. There's more conversation about their gender than the actual gameplay and implications of her kit. That's what most people are annoyed by. I had to turn off numerous streams on their test launch because EVERYONE was just talking about pronouns, policing people, or being weird about it. Both sides are just so frustrating to deal with i just want to move past this.

[@avocol4589]

Nothing but facts man

[@depthcharge5091]

THANK YOU BRUH. As someone in the lgbtq space I don’t need a whole podcast talking about a fake characters identity. It’s cool that nb people have representation but talk about the gameplay not the identity of them. Edit: I think it’s fine they talked about the characters identity but I don’t think it should’ve took up such a massive portion of the stream.

[@nhotion]

Thank you bro. Just want to play the game lmao. Well said

[@GodSlayerZancrow]

I skipped to the gameplay part lol. But see it from their perspective. If they misgender this character they’ll get so much backlash. Streamers are held under a microscope for their actions. So I see why they felt the need to discuss this. I agree though they shouldn’t have spent so much time on it. We’re here for video games. Ventures identity has nothing to do with how they beat ass lol

[@aydo6721]

this podcast has always heavily varied in content, and they decided to do an episode about queer shit bcs to a lot of queer people, the first enby character is a big deal. i get that you dont want to see this ep and thats cool but saying that it would be more normalized if they were quiter about it is silly. yes there would be less controversy, because the avg gamer wants queer representation minimized

[@ethanosborn989]

1:50:45 you guys acknowledged that you weren’t discussing ventures gameplay implications in ow. Why dont you have separate podcasts dedicated to political topics, LGTBQ, and current day racism. Its clear these issues are important to you. It’s one thing to talk about it in the debate. It’s another to let these topics, which are important, consume a podcast that we the audience assume to be similar to previous discussions . If you all are aware that you are drifting from gameplay discussions that are non-political, then I would assume you’d be aware that much of your audience would be upset by it. That doesn’t mean they are bigots, many are upset that these issues took precedence over gameplay discussions in the context of this podcast. Again, I agree these issues are important ,I agree with your guys takes. But at this point just title the video accurately, or create a separate podcast talking strictly about these issues. By mixing gameplay discussion and political discussion you don’t give either the time they deserve to be debated thoughtfully.

[@NathanGould-df5ts]

Not really anything here was political, it's just a group of people talking

[@BladeNoir]

There will always be podcast episodes that aren’t fully one’s direct specific interest + the hero’s only out for the weekend (remember they’re headlining S10, this weekend’s just an early playtest) so I’m sure there’ll be more in-depth gameplay discussions next week or once the new season’s actually out

[@ethanosborn989]

@@BladeNoir that’s a good point

[@GetOffGenji]

Preach!

[@AgnesRonan]

Would you actually watch that other podcast? No, no one who doesn't already understand these issues would. You should though, which is why it's important they gave time to it here, thanks for watching.

[@kristianodden9733]

1:52:10 Ye, because the most important aspect of a pvp and their characters is the gameplay. In every other character debate the gameplay has been the focus, so that was what I expected it to contain. I had hoped to see freedo and sam go at it. Political discussions isn’t why I enjoy these podcasts, so this week was not my cup of tea at all.

[@RK9.]

You are forgetting that the gameplay being the most important thing is a YOU thing. It’s not the same for everyone. So many people dont give a shit about balance and gameplay loop they usually talk about. They care more about seeing a dumb little guy blowing things up or hearing big muscle robot talk sexy and random shit like that that DONT affect your gameplay. The reason why OW is different to Call of duty or CS or Apex or Val is that there’s so many people that enjoy the non-gameplay aspect of it and dont care about if something is broken or unbalanced or not. Gameplay couldve been the focus if unfiltered hatred wasn’t the response from so many in the first place but it’s important to address those issues. Even if 10 people learn something from this video, thats a good thing. There’s 500 other videos on other channels that discuss gameplay, there will be many videos on this channel that discuss venture gameplay. Let them spend an hour on addressing whatever issues there are, its not that big of a deal

[@Shadowh8ter]

@@RK9. The extreme overwhelming majority of people who play any PVP game are most interested in the gameplay and a small irrelevant valueless percentage of a PVP games community care anything you just said lol There's a reason this videos been disliked bombed and its not gonna do well in the analytics. Nobody wants degenerate identity politics in their video game besides freaks who should never be catered to.

[@willywonka00]

@RK9. Would you have the same opinion if they discussed Christianity needing representation in the game as there isn't really any?

[@kristianodden9733]

@@RK9. The entire point is that I, and apparantly a lot of other ppl here, do not enjoy political content connected to OW. I play it for the competetive nature, and don’t rly care about the political aspects of the characters. Therefore I didn’t enjoy the podcast this week. In other words, my opinion on the episode. And yes, I will look at other content, but I will also respond on what I thought about this content, as this was not the type of content I enjoy. I do that to give feedback on the type of content that I do enjoy. If everyone did the same you would get a balanced picture of what the opinion of the community is. What is done with that feedback is another story, but it will at least to some degree be a information resource to SVB on what the community likes through the most popular comments. If giving feedback wasn’t the intended use of the comment section, why have a comment section to begin with. Lastly about «just watching other content». Unfortunatly there is no other podcast that deliver the same product group up does. The biggest creators attend and it has, as far as I have seen, the best exchange of ideas. So while I will watch other content, it won’t be of the same quality. Group up (for now at least) can’t really be replaced. If what svb said in the timestamp over is his honest thoughts, I think he underestimate the quality of his own balance discussions. So you can’t really «just go and watch someone else», as they don’t deliver the same product. At the end of the day SVB decides what he wants to make. If he wants to talk about identity politics, nobody is going to stop him, regardless of wether I or anyone else enjoy it or not. Though I do wish he titled it diffrently, because it gave me and I assume a lot of others false expectations in the context of previous character podcasts. That is also likely why the feedback is as rough as it is, becaue people expected to get something diffrent.

[@deadhelix]

@@RK9.I think the majority sentiment is game play is what matters most it’s not like OP is one of 5 people who don’t care about lore/characters backgrounds and all that. It seems so weird to frame the minority as a majority but then also seek more representation for it like the whole reason its not done more is cause a majority don’t care. And that’s not to say it is bad to care about it cause you still have a point that some people do play these games for different reasons. I wanna play fun shooty game where I get to be cyborg ninja or giant gorilla with a jetpack, but if someone else sees venture and feels so validated that a character like them exists in the game that’s ok, I also think it’s ok that people who play games to turn off brain and not care about political things to be allowed to do that. We play the same games for different reasons. Same way I played baldurs gate for some fun challenge in an rpg game where a friend of mine installed a mod to make everything die in one hit because all they cared about is the story and romance and I would never tell them “oh why are you doing that you are defeating the whole point of the game” LIKE NO IMMA LET THEM ROCK SAME WAY THEY DO WITH ME.

[@Maverick_1926]

It has been a while I haven't heard someone mention the patriarchy in a non ironic way. I would have loved a counter part in this "debate". It was more of a circlejerk than a discussion

[@paulahrens581]

What's someone supposed to disagree about without looking like a bigot?

[@c_nn_r298]

@@paulahrens581*without BEING a bigot ftfy

[@Maya-hw2ny]

maybe youre just in an echo chamber then... why do you feel the need to ignore issues just because you arent being harmed directly?

[@bradical131]

@@paulahrens581 how would disagreeing with the ridiculous idea of a patriarchy make you look like a bigot?!

[@donovan4222]

If your brain has rotted to the point where you can’t even think of the word “patriarchy” unironically you are way to deep in the trenches of right wing media

[@austinmcmahan6267]

Please change the name of this episode and make a proper great venture debate

[@baileyskates]

Kindness is not a higher virtue than honesty.

[@gabriel63680]

False dichotomy

[@ludwigvanbeethoven8164]

How? Theyre both virtues, both in the strict and object moral sense and in the subjective sense.​@@gabriel63680

[@baileyskates]

@@gabriel63680 its not a dichotomy, its a comparison or hierarchy. You can be both kind and honest, but honesty should come first. Nice attempt at seeming intelligent.

[@gabriel63680]

@@baileyskates Implicit in your statement was the assertion that somehow, SVB and the podcast had supplanted honesty by being kind; I think it's reasonable to interpret that as a dichotomous framing. I was asserting (maybe unclearly) that I believe it's an incorrect framing, and I think that they were both kind and honest in the podcast.

[@paulahrens581]

Can't believe Samito is in this one lol.

[@nailinthefashion]

Anons are brave hahahaha. Make your own podcast

[@BeastMode-bw2ry]

Man has been playing Venture like crazy. I think he would definitely have a good opinion on it. He already has found a rollout for her.

[@paulahrens581]

@@BeastMode-bw2ry I mean I get that lol. It's just given all the pronoun nonsense he's the last person I'd expect to be on here. Love Sam!

[@Mr_SamuelAdam]

Yeah. Lmao

[@BeastMode-bw2ry]

@paulahrens581 Yeah I see what your saying. I expected this debate to be about ACTUAL gameplay but it's fine. I'm not gonna get into all that stuff because these arguments get tiring.

[@michaelcidboy6787]

These ppl are confused... An eagle doesn't wake up one day and say I'm gonna be a fish today and live under the water. Ya'll can have your views and that is your right but just because some ppl don't have that mind set doesn't mean you can push your misguided agendas on other ppl especially kids that may be watching.

[@thememe-inator532]

Gender dysphoria is actually not a new concept at all. The term was coined in the 70s but there was a whole library of research that was burned by the nazis pre holocaust. Its not an ideaology, its actual science.

[@nibbler7687]

@@thememe-inator532 gender dysphoria doesn't exist in areas where people don't have access to internet

[@spiedherman8345]

@@nibbler7687 a quick google search disproves this but go off

[@shajita]

It was pretty disappointing, hearing a podcast that begins with preaching inclusivity, and mutual love and respect, and not one hour later they're dunking on Paladins for the crime of having a smaller community. For what is supposedly the best Overwatch podcast, I expected better from you people.

[@Manic44]

To chime in concerning the pronouns in different languages. Dutch can also be slightly confusing. for example the word they in dutch is "zij" but "zij" is also used for she. If I remember correctly in German you have the word "Sie" which is used for She but is also used for you (in a formal sense if for example you would talk to someone older or in power). (Dutch also has a similar word for you, when addressing someone older or in power. it's "u")

[@Ismail-db1vj]

Kankerjong

[@Grandpa_OW]

Also adding onto the Marvel game comparisons: "Pokemon with guns" was a very marketing slogan for Palworld. I think many games try to make comparisons to other franchises to market their game. "Overwatch with Marvel characters." Same thing.

[@narcodixyadigg781]

Did Palworld ever say that though? Could of sworn that it was just public opinion

[@NanaHoneyB]

Players ask for representation, canonically 🏳‍🌈 characters, a.k.a. official validation, GET IT, but then there's STILL drama. *That's* what annoys me. Why isn't this podcast about the GAMEPLAY? Why is the community arguing 'my truth vs. your truth' as if the same people that asked for this aren't the same ones who made up fanfiction that misgendered characters and made them gay/straight when they're not??? Overwatch is such a beautifully diverse game, and that's why I love it so much, but you can't force all your beliefs onto other people, especially when it's only about fictional characters. As long as someone isn't disrespecting YOU or a teammate who is a real living person, it should be a non-issue. Not everybody cares, not everybody understands, not to mention people make mistakes by accident because they haven't internalized those beliefs, or just during the chaos of call-outs. And some people's beliefs will directly contradict yours. As long as they're not hateful but keep it friendly instead, get over it and get on the damn payload.

[@exaltedexile6290]

Who asked?

[@TiboFPS]

I was one of those people who did not care about representation in video games UNTIL Sigma was released. As a native Dutch speaker I never imagined getting to hear my mother tongue in my favorite video game. Even if they're not my favorite character, the simple fact that I could understand and hear the language I grew up hearing is incredible. And in that moment I understood the value of representation. Why its important to have characters that encompass all walks of life.

[@willywonka00]

If you need that you're severely lacking in what's important in your life. We are all individuals stop identifying with meaningless shit and see all humanity as one. Instead of thinking and putting people in groups.

[@mylorddio8272]

Then you have major issues that you can't possibly relate to someone who isn't the same race or gender you are. Good characters trendsends race, nationally, and gender

[@TiboFPS]

@@mylorddio8272 it’s not about that… it’s about something I grew up with being in my favorite Game. My community (dutch speakers) were represented

[@logancutler6267]

@@willywonka00very intelligent and insightful viewpoint, Willy wonka. You don’t sound even remotely like a stupid dipshit.

[@Aurora12488]

​@@TiboFPS Gosh, these responses are mindblowing and almost seem to *deliberately* miss the point. Obviously, you didn't *need* Sigma in the game to be able to empathize with others' backgrounds and stories. But seeing your *own* background represented is a super powerful feeling. And it also exposes others to your background and gives them an opportunity to empathize with it too. Thanks for sharing your story dude.

[@KingKaboose2000]

New character comes out and we get 28 minutes of Gameplay talk

[@mylorddio8272]

Because all alphabet people can talk about is themselves

[@the03k]

@@mylorddio8272 Crazy how you have a JoJo profile pic considering Araki's androgynous, gender-non confirming character designs and pro-LGBT stance.

[@gsoma4022]

​@@mylorddio8272isn't JoJo anime a pro LGBTQ show

[@cnnr_]

new "character" so they talk about her character and this winds you up? I wonder if you'd be this annoyed if you weren't repulsive to women

[@exaltedexile6290]

Flats and freedo dodged a bullet

[@VOID.ANUBIS]

What a bombshell of an episode my god

[@doomsday323]

Might just be the worst episode yet

[@jonathonnorden4859]

Yeah cause every other episode where we hear the same “tank has it bad” discussion is so good to listen to.

[@LatexDaddy]

Clearly an ally

[@Turin-Fett]

Boiling down the people who misgender Venture and people like her, to being only one of two things; Either honestly mistaken and therefore forgivable OR intentionally bigoted and therefore dismissible, is completely bigoted all on its own. Basically, “anyone who disagrees with me and my worldview is a bad person.” That’s bigotry 101. Not being able to accept that there are people who are good, honest and don’t wish you any harm, but have their own beliefs and feelings that might contradict your own is a huge irony in this whole pronoun debate. But nobody wants to have that conversation, they’re only willing to talk to people who will admit up front that they are willing to buy into their mindset.

[@dantethefan9654]

You called Venture a her in your comment

[@Turin-Fett]

@@dantethefan9654 yes, I did.

[@Cosmic_K13]

This. This right here is something I can get behind. Someone doesn't need to agree with you on everything to respect you.

[@livesinalazywonderland4021]

People who get misgendered on purpose probably just dont want hang around with you buddy

[@keithjones1382]

So can we get back to the overwatch content?

[@GoredrinkerRS]

Nah man, it's a political year. Saddle up

[@baileyskates]

​@@GoredrinkerRSforgot about that. Fuck.

[@waynetec13]

What's political about this? Politics is government, not gender. If gender is politically charged to you, perhaps a deeper examination of your political views might do some good.

[@Kingkip33]

@@waynetec13it is…. 😂

[@FiestaTX17]

@@waynetec13ever heard of identity politics? They are indeed a thing

[@austinmcmahan6267]

Good episode, but you really should not have called it the great venture debate. in every other "great x_hero debate" the conversation was about the gameplay and balance. You could have called it "the great representation debate" or "the great identity debate" and people would know what the conversation is about right off the bat before they even click the video. everyone watching this expects you guys to talk about venture's gameplay and where they fit into the game. in the great LW debate I don't believe you guys ever brought attention to him being pan. It's good to bring attention to this, but it should have been called something different, all you did was invite people to be disappointed. love you SVB, I love the effort, but this one wasn't it.

[@austinmcmahan6267]

like, seeing the comments is making me sad. people are being spiteful because it feels like they were baited and are being told how to feel and act. they came for gameplay talk and got politics. respecting people's pronouns shouldn't be political, but when you make the whole episode about it, you made it political

[@GoredrinkerRS]

​@@austinmcmahan6267 well said and don't be sad lol

[@austinmcmahan6267]

lol but it is sad. i don''t believe as many people would be spitefully using the wrong pronouns if they knew the episode was about identity and not gameplay before they click the video@@GoredrinkerRS

[@yvandesfraises8748]

Earing things we're not expecting is what makes us grow, as individuals, and as a society.

[@christopherwilson5300]

Go to gameplay than??? I enjoyed it

[@CEOofFoolery]

I think ventures gameplay looks awesome. Can't wait to suck at it.

[@climer337]

I think I speak for a lot of people. I clicked on this video to hear about venture, the hero, not be lectured like I’m in debate.💀 A 2hr 40min video with only 20 MINUTES dedicated to the ACTUAL gameplay. That’s less than 15% of the video. Cool, venture is non-binary, why do we make it their whole entire personality? Is that all they are?

[@Slinkywheel]

Who the fuck is vantage

[@Zhohan-]

@@Slinkywheel it's the new dps hero, sits in a hot air balloon hurling insults. Also they're binary. 1's and 0's. They're a robot

[@RK9.]

Why are you here to watch a video about Vantage, the Apex Legends character, in an Overwatch channel?

[@louhitar]

It's literally called "the great Venture debate" Yes, it's a podcast and it will feel debate-like because that's in the title. Also Vantage is an Apex hero, I'm not sure if you just got the names mixed up or if you're on a podcast about the wrong game but either way it's understandable. Just in case you need the clarification though: this is about Overwatch, and Venture is the new character.

[@aydo6721]

@@Zhohan- wowww you actually get a wow instead of a lol that was funny as fuck

[@yiklongtay6029]

I can respect what they really want to talk about. But I also want to sincerely give my opinion that you are gonna need a lot more sugar to go with the medicine. Meaning heavier emphasis on gameplay discussions. I clicked on this vid hoping for way longer discussions on the hero design. That's ok I guess... I'll just wait for the next podcast to go deeper into Venture design discussions

[@gungygsqua]

im an agender lesbian so i can say this the representation talk is way too long bruh we only care about the gameplay not 2 hours of using they them omg 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@Maverick_1926]

Friendly fire will not be tolerated

[@NightSkyKing]

Whole heartdly agree I get ppl who look to these games and characters bcuz they want to feel represented But some of us don't care about all that We play games n love characters bcuz they don't remind us of real life n all the issues that come with it I want to enjoy playing venture, n every hero for that matter, because of how fun they are to play The extra stuff doesn't matter to me as much, and doesn't seem to be the case for a lot of other people as well from what I'm seeing from a lot of comments on this vid

[@ashonline77]

I just think they did this podcast way too early. It was just too early to dedicate an entire episode for a hero that's in test phase and only been out for a day at this point. So there's not even enough gameplay stuff to talk about for hours like where they fall in the meta, how it feels against every hero, how it feels to play different heroes into venture etc. its just too early and it was doomed from the beginning.

[@NightSkyKing]

@ashonline77 fair argument indeed But u can tell the point of this episode was for the representation segment Where that goes on for a full hour while gameplay is discussed for only 20mins Absolutely should've waited tho I want to learn about the hero and where their place is in game I don't care about a character's sexual preferences or identities I just want to play fun new heroes man

[@ashonline77]

@@NightSkyKing Yeah fair enough. Atleast Season 10 debate should have a venture section where they go into more about the gameplay, meta etc

[@riversnake9jb]

2 1/2 hr venture podcast. 25 mins of what the hero brings to gameplay of the game.

[@weenewsboy]

I skipped through right to gameplay cause that was all I cared about in this video thanks for the time stamps.

[@Manic44]

ok hear me out. Venture should do a sponser deal with fruity pebbles (the cereal).

[@ninthfriend3347]

I've always said this to myself for Overwatch..."There's just no games like Overwatch" Hence why I still play this game. Game feels great to play, amazing hero experience and their gameplay, game feels super polish, the beautiful art design in Overwatch, and many more. I have tried other fps like Apex, Valorant, Fortnite but they still lack the specialty that Overwatch always excel at.

[@dedgoat-e1l]

I love when games feel Polish, my favourite country

[@deadflesh1000]

​@@dedgoat-e1l somewhere in the top 10 for me, definitely

[@robertochavez805]

You know the video is garbage when someone asks for pronouns. Dont bring her to the podcast again.

[@Nick-ki9hh]

Kind of sad we didn’t hear from a tank player in this debate, playing against Venture this weekend as a JQ main was just pure hell.

[@zairvix]

Respectfully, Think I'm gonna have to pass on this one

[@ryangibson8727]

I'm glad I'm not the only who didn't like all the pandering. You had the priorities all wrong with this one

[@WindReiter10]

Oh no the diversity game added a little more diversity 😲 bffr

[@ryangibson8727]

@@WindReiter10 I couldn't care less about the hero. Just all the pandering. Shoulda been called the great "look at me I'm politically correct" debate

[@WindReiter10]

​@@ryangibson8727respecting minorities isn't "politically correct" it's just being a decent human being

[@kujikawathemeekmage3640]

@@ryangibson8727being happy about representation =/ pandering btw

[@ryangibson8727]

@@WindReiter10 you're misunderstanding because you yourself are also trying to pander. Pointing out someone is different and talking about it for an hour isn't respect. It's seeking clout from the woke crowd. It's a video game podcast not an identity politics podcast

[@PhuongNguyen-hv2lm]

Been watching the group up podcast for the last few years, havent missed one since I came across my first episode. Ngl this episode is a dumster fire, absolute trash episode. Wasnt even sure this was an overwatch podcast

[@Korvmannen]

The only change I'd be begging for with Venture is that they plop up when Rein does Earthshatter. If he gets the follow-up kill he will say "HAHA! THIS IS LIKE PLAYING WHACK-A-MOLE!"

[@thesystemsband]

the same 4 people that promote "free choice" for everyone, "live your life your way" also say you are: a dick, disrespectful and stupid for not wanting to substitute your language. Hypocritcal. Deliberately refering to one person using a singular pronoun does not make you a dick, disrespectful or stupid. Unfortunately, personal experience recounts are not real arguments for why everyone has to participate in this, it shouldnt be frowned upon to reject Venture as "they/them" and only see them as a character in your favourite shooter, just as it shouldnt be frowned upon to adhere to this ideology, that would mean everyone gets to "live their life their own way", right? Coz Venture, she's great ;)

[@mylorddio8272]

Based af

[@LaserBungalow]

Relax

[@ZeProblematicz]

It would've been nice to actually talk about the game and the relevant aspects of the new character.

[@reformed1trick739]

I dont intentionally say McCree. I try to say Cass, but sometimes I forget and say McCree during an intense game

[@User-pu3lc]

Call it whatever you want it’s a video game. People getting hung up on the name are just looking for a reason to feel superior to you without merit.

[@Heyzeus891]

I call him Mcrassidy 😅

[@Z6Dakotaz]

Cool a bit of Venture discussion in the minority representation video

[@Retchrina]

The podcast talks about what is topical, being the first non binary character in Overwatch and the surprising amount of bigots in the community is very very topical

[@willywonka00]

@Retchrina Disagreeing with gender queen theory is not being a bigot. it's not agreeing with it. Is every person who doesn't agree with Christianity a bigot towards Christians? Stupid logic honestly

[@Retchrina]

@@willywonka00 There is a huge difference between disagreeing (Although idk what you would disagree on?, it's just social science?) and refusing to respect someones identity, one is having little understanding of things the other is just flat bigotry. Comparing using ones pronouns to agreeing with an entire religion is also an insane false equivalency, a more true equivalency would be if I saw anyone practicing their religion or had religious things on them (idk, crosses? Bibles?) and ripping it out of their hands and throwing it away which would infringe on freedom of religion

[@willywonka00]

@Retchrina Did you just equate words with physical violence and theft? Then tell me I'm using a false equivalency! Lmao, that logic is honestly terrible. Let me explain social gender identity is a belief system that is man made. Obviously, those who believe it would disagree and claim it is the truth and reality . Christianity is a belief system that is man made. Obviously, those who believe it would disagree and claim it is the truth and reality. So we can see it is not a false equivalency. If someone requested that you pray to a God you don't believe in. Then said if you don't you're a bigot. Is more equivalent to forcing someone to adhere to pronouns based in a belief they don't agree with.

[@aydo6721]

​@@willywonka00 if someone had pronouns based in their religion it would be quite rude to disrespect them. and if christains were incredibly persecuted on the basis of their religion and pronouns, it would then be part of systemic oppression. people use woman to mean "someone who lives as a woman" bcs its useful, and accurate to how they live their lives.

[@user-cc3ef7qh1x]

23:40 I don't understand why westerners blame capitalism for normal things

[@Shadowh8ter]

A lot of people who have no real life experience and have no understanding of countries outside of their own like to pretend that capitalism is the fault of basically everything. Capitalism is thought to be the reason for: poverty, starvation, wars, poor economy, murder rates, sexism, racism, prisons being bad, and a laundry list of other things that are affected by many other aspects than your countries economic model, most of which exist in almost if not every country and many of which are worse in countries that aren't capitalist.

[@kxnesenpai]

I won’t be responding or debating this cause it’s an ow video lol, but capitalism IS the normal thing, thus answering your own question.

[@Shadowh8ter]

@@kxnesenpai They mean normal things that simply happen, not happen exclusively or uniquely under capitalism lol. Smart tho to preemptively say you won't respond to anything since your comment was stupid.

[@Maverick_1926]

Because they are morons that have no idea what they are talking about. Not westerners in general but those who think that capitalism is a bad thing and can't differentiate with pure greed

[@jaybanks5803]

Capitalism includes "back in the day" game sales when 100% of the product was day 1 on the disc. But I agree that "live service" get rich with a battle pass has ruined gaming. What they are trying to say is: "If devs had their way we would be living the dream. But.......profit...."

[@SekundesCCFFVII]

For the opening thoughts : if you wanna see THE biggest turnaround for a game and franchise, from a industrial meltdown to one of the biggest successes of its field, check out the history of Final Fantasy XIV

[@beausis]

Or No Man's Sky. Hell, even Cyberpunk turned it's rep around

[@User-pu3lc]

Comment section gives me hope. People are tired of hearing and flatly rejecting this rhetoric. Was the hero fun to play?

[@exaltedexile6290]

I wish I knew their answer but after an hour of them torturing samito I couldn't watch any more

[@Nick-ki9hh]

Fareeha asking for quicker cooldowns for Venture is purely insane lol these DPS mains are of course excited about a new DPS with fun mechanics, but buffing them? That’s insane lol they are already really damn good

[@thomas4489]

I found that rambling about capitalism and its stipulations kinda off putting. That's not an issue you can just briefly talk about and i clearly saw how that rant made you uncomfortable SVB. Im not here to discuss which political system is the best so i wont give my opinion on Fareeha's and Bonez' stances but I think it's just the wrong time and place to talk about those issues.

[@VesperEm]

This happens like every podcast where have you been lol? Every time Flats is on he's ranting abt big corpo but ig it's not a problem when he does it

[@paulahrens581]

Fareeha is a cringe lord and finds a way to bring up his hatred for capitalism in everything he says.

[@mylorddio8272]

Farreha's a cringe lord

[@paulahrens581]

@@mylorddio8272Fareeha said his pronouns are “any” so I'm referring to him as a him because he looks like a man.

[@nailinthefashion]

@@paulahrens581 and yet you watch them often enough to know that they do … lol the irony of you guys being so masochistic.

[@User-pu3lc]

56:05 timestamp talking about how we haven’t had a character so excited about life and the things that they love like we haven’t had Lucio since the start of the game…

[@philistine3260]

1:16:18 Well, except they aren't doing it honestly, not even remotely. They do it because they think it's good for business. In russian translation for example, Venture is a she. If blizzard actually stood for something, Venture would be NB everywhere

[@nemil2898]

Oh OW gods, I promise to never say an ill word...ever...about OW, Blizzard, or the Devs. Just bring back 6v6 and I will never complain again. Amen.

[@dreadseed9552]

Idk man this episode didn’t hit. I came here to see how venture will fit into the meta, how their gameplay is, pros and cons. What we got was rants about capitalism bad and about pronouns for majority of the podcast. I’m not saying I didn’t expect it to be raised. Like sure yay representation. But we the ow audience are not here to hear your political opinions and world views shoved down our throats. It’s one way to alienate portion of your viewers but unlike some of the guests on this podcast who seem to believe what venture identifies with is more important then the gameplay it’s the other way around for everyone else. If you want to have a debate about pronouns and how capitalism ruined society fricken title it that and get guests who have different worldviews so it’s not just a circle jerk. L episode

[@Azrael_Xx_]

^ THIS

[@WindReiter10]

Imagine thinking a basic respect for minorities is political 💀💀💀 L opinion

[@dreadseed9552]

@@WindReiter10 bro just completely ignored they talked a lot more then minorities. pls explain which ow characters gender is capitalism 💀💀💀

[@WindReiter10]

​@@dreadseed9552overwatch players have been complaining about capitalism ruining the game since it went f2p and added the shop 💀💀💀 are you new or something?

[@dreadseed9552]

@@WindReiter10 are you brain dead? Nobody is saying “ grrr I can’t believe ow went free to play down with capitalism.” If that was the case why do we not see the same outrage with games like Fortnite f2p model as well? Because it has nothing to do with capitalism but to do with how the studios themselves implement it. That’s why everyone was mad at Upper management and Bobby Kotick. So again what does long rants about capitalism and the patriarchy among other things have anything to do with ow? Nothing is the answer, it’s just forcing their world views.

[@Dizzy205]

2nd podcast in a row that i could not even get halfway through. and why they throw poor little samito into this mix? the whole time it looks like hes trying to hide his dismay.

[@Maverick_1926]

So true. Last podcast was too long and salt looked like he wanted to end His existence. This time is a woke circlejerk full of identity politics.

[@SamSullyV]

​@Maverick_1926 Maybe it's okay for people to talk about something that doesn't apply to you? Just a thought. Deflate the ego friend

[@batgonemad7548]

Then don't watch and quit bitching. Real simple.

[@Bebopvicious00]

We didnt watch...and we like the podcast usually. So think about how you all are such a small minority, and tell us the majority to stop watching. Thus killing the revenue SBD gets. Get woke go broke is true for a reason. And to alienate such a large portion of people is just bad business.

[@Dizzy205]

@batgonemad7548 am and did. im allowed to have an opinion and express it. i love how having any opinion thats different from the narrative is "bitching". guess im gonna bitch then. ill be "that bitch". yall need therapy and mental help. insane how reality is not listening to people who are mentally ill and allowing them to weave their delusions into the fabric of society. I have an opinion (just like you) and im allowed to express it. get over yourself.

[@mikeockslong4795]

Spent more time talking about a heros sexuality than the gameplay itself... yikes

[@Amy_399]

Identity and sexuality are 2 different things.

[@sjsjjsjsjxjxdjdjddj6750]

Being a man or a woman and pretending your a man or a woman are 2 different things

[@paulahrens581]

@@sjsjjsjsjxjxdjdjddj6750and nonbinary pretends they are neither. Make that make sense. Lol

[@nailinthefashion]

@@paulahrens581I’m not pretending I’m neither I accept that I was born male but I don’t participate in traditions like fashion or social roles lol it really should be easy for you guys to understand but you don’t go outside

[@gsoma4022]

​@@nailinthefashionbruh why you being so mean in the comments. Your being no better than the weirdos mad at a pronoun. Grow up man

[@swifttitan8126]

25:55 this is the most ridiculous sentence I've ever heard, art flourishes under capitalism, theres no way it cant. with art being as subjective as it is you can literally scribble on paper and it be worth thousands of dollars, now we have bad laws on the books that make shareholders the priority basically strangling creative genius but that has nothing to do with capitalism

[@dreadseed9552]

Nobody tell her the game she fell in love with was created under capitalism.

[@swifttitan8126]

@@dreadseed9552 ong like the whole purpose of making a game ESPECIALLY IN BLIZZARDS CASE is to make entertainment to be compensated for and have a your ideal game come into reality but that doesn't exist without capitalistic drive. art and especially gaming doesn't exist w/o capital gain

[@swifttitan8126]

@@dreadseed9552 a response on another comment i made got hid gor calling the stupidity out about this

[@xo4535]

Bahahahaha the westoids are coping again

[@willyum8543]

I was searching for this comment before I said something. You hit the nail on the head. Capitalism has some horrendous downsides that are unfortunate but to say it’s all capitalism’s fault is to stay ignorant of the bigger picture. Capitalism has allowed people to specialize in fields that are, to be frank, not needed. We do not NEED art but capitalism allows people to become successful if people enjoy it. Basically it’s more complicated to blame it in capitalism

[@ibannykh]

i loved the lineup. sam as flex dps at a high level. fareha as a mid level ranked only flex player. and we got a gold new player. if svb played hitscan wed have the ultimate wholistic view.

[@gTr4yr4y]

I really care what a gold player thinks

[@ajmysholowsky]

@@gTr4yr4yyou CLEARLY care about this game a lot 🙏🙏🙏 hopefully you can be less toxic and learn to enjoy others perspectives

[@kenerb654]

⁠@@gTr4yr4yI SUPER care what a gold player thinks as a Gold-Diamond player myself - I feel seen and respected (ignore that i’m console) 👍

[@ajmysholowsky]

@@kenerb654 good ty I’m glad you feel respected

[@ghostwalker435]

55:59 we forget that Junk is excited for life and the things he loves...

[@Maverick_1926]

Bit his a white cis capitalist. He's not relevant in the world of woke people

[@thepizzadude3113]

YES! I was screaming this! Ventures personality is similar to junks as they love what they do and just live life! It's just that not many characters like junkrat.

[@dstorms]

I'm down for using they/them pronouns when people ask but what's the deal with saying you also go by he/him, but for THIS podcast, only use they/them. Gatekeeping your pronouns only strengthens the argument that you're just trying to police people's language smh

[@ozman5466]

This is sad...this is supposed to be a podcast about Overwatch, not politics. For Fareeha to imply that because I am a man, I don't have any hobbies or I can't live my own life because of the "patriarchy"...what a cringe and ignorant statement to make. And Fareeha should also realize that the economic success she has from developing her own following as a streamer is what...Capitalism. Live your life the way you want to and I will live mine the way I want to.

[@owemailowemail7598]

Fragile

[@rickykun22]

That’s not what she’s saying. She’s saying that some men feel they need to live by a mold-that’s a product of patriarchy

[@TeaHauss]

"Live your life the way you want to and I will live mine the way I want to." That's exactly what we want. The difference is that you can already do so freely, and we can't. Because there are people who refuse to understand, to accept us for who we want to be. We want what you already have, and it doesn't take away from you, but people act like it does. That's why representation matters.

[@Bebopvicious00]

Tehaus that is completely backwards. You can do what you we cant and when we dont conform to your thinking your group tries to destroy us. And force us to live your way with your values. We dont do that...we say just dont force us to do things your way. Guarantee if i put in blizz forums there are only 2 genders i will get banned. However if you put there are infinite genders, they would leave that post. That right there is the problem and why we are pushing back on this.

[@Turin-Fett]

@@TeaHaussbeing free to live your life doesn’t require everyone to accept you. That’s impossible.

[@konradnemeth9789]

It's fine if you guys want to talk about identity and representation, but having that as the majority of the video when I come here for discussion about the gameplay, and titling the video like I will get what I'm looking for is straight up just clickbaiting

[@Zanmato_7]

Oh my goodness there's a lot here non Overwatch related. I just want to listen to some thoughts on the new character not endure this talk on poltics etc. and the title gives no indication thats what's being discussed.

[@waynetec13]

What's political about this? Do your politics demand that you think differently about people who are different from you? Mine don't.

[@Zanmato_7]

@@waynetec13 well gender is political, a quick google search maybe bro. All the knowledge at your fingertips there. I don't care if you call yourself a spoon. I just thought I clicked on a discussion about the character and didn't get that for the guts of an hour and a half and turned it off.

[@ethanosborn989]

@@waynetec13man didn’t say anything about his political opinions, and this episode is misleading in its title

[@Maverick_1926]

There are a bunch of woke people you should have expected it. The only one I had hope for was samito but he's also too scared to be canceled by the lgbthd+ mafia

[@kingtswasey]

@@Maverick_1926 what exactly does "woke" mean? People throw that around all the time and I'm still unsure what they're talking about about

[@mward5559]

Wow this episode was so cringy. Politics being the majority of this episode is awful. So many cringy takes that made absolutely no sense. I'm glad I'm not the only one who hated this episode

[@kellywilson137]

OW was always very woke this is just the community they gathered. enjoy 20minutes of gameplay discussion and 2 hours of patriarchy and capitalism lol.

[@hexia6760]

1:42:30 -> 1:48:33 though SVB back tracks a tiny bit towards the end, those takes are just insane.

[@godhelpahmed]

This is the first time where I couldn’t stand even 10 minutes in an SVB podcast without feeling irritated, away form the pronoun thing the character visuals doesn’t seem so overwatchy, i like the concept and the actual gameplay but the clolrs and visuals are just so.. pale, and the “they/them” thing is just so confusing man you can be whatever you want but don’t give me hell, like we have lesbian Tracer which I don’t have a problem with because it is very simple and straightforward when i speak about tracer im using “she” but evey time someone speaks of Venture they be like he is very cool.. she is very cool..? Umm they are pretty cool i guess. C’mon man don’t over complicate it

[@IHJello]

Jacob Geller just made a video about art you cant see. For 50yrs this man has made a giagantic art piece called City in Nevada and hes currently FORCED to show people bc its on federal land. Just an interesting pov of not every artist wants their art to be seen.

[@Drwiggles69]

These timestamps are hilarious

[@griffindean8586]

SVB is correct. You don’t know why you watch videos or what you care about. ITs SVB who knows exactly what you care about and why you watch videos. Where do I get off thinking I know why I watch things.

[@Trruuu_]

Lol sheeeesh 🤣🤣 need a time stamp

[@griffindean8586]

@@Trruuu_ kzbin.infoUuxUcaYYgG4?si=Zet7wr3OOGVaVNIw

[@swifttitan8126]

1:09:35 ok we're just being delusional today, I'm trying to be nice but freesha worldview is so different i dont think we'd agree that the sky is blue 😂

[@raymond9079]

what are you talking about?

[@swifttitan8126]

@@raymond9079 what are YOU talking about talking about 🤣 simple the sentence means what the sentence says

[@raymond9079]

@@swifttitan8126 care to explain it further? She said a lot, what are you specifically talking about. What are your specific feelings about what she said. When I say "what are you talking about" I mean "What the fuck are you talking about"

[@swifttitan8126]

​@@raymond9079 I'm referring to the timestamp i have with freeha rambling on the patriarchy and capitalism and the thoughts she have on these things are so different a conversation with "them" would be like talking to a Chinese person.

[@beausis]

Fareeha's brain dead "Capitalism is bad" take. She does realize Overwatch, a multi hundred million dollar project exists in the first place because of Capitalism right? Without it artists like Jeff Kaplan could not create such resource intensive projects

[@beermarket9971]

Science is still debating whatever she has a reptilian brain or is the first biped sponge alive.

[@Realblack_m0nster]

Imagine calling capitalism bad but then profiting off the system and being more well off than the audience you are preaching too. They could always move to a communist country but they wont.

[@alexescorza8120]

1:09:45 Ight imma go take break might come back someone let me know if its worth to come back or not

[@exaltedexile6290]

It's not

[@thepizzadude3113]

Agreed. This week's podcast was absolute bullshit

[@inviitewiicka]

Wtf is this intro

[@Maverick_1926]

This episode is a clear case of the phenomenon called go woke go broke.

[@tropicata]

In my opinion you cannot call something an "Overwatch competitor" if the game isn't even in first person. I would go so far as to say the FPS perspective is an intrinsic part of what makes Overwatch feel like Overwatch. Simply having an objective based pvp game and slapping on some moba abilities doesn't automatically make you an Overwatch-like. As someone with over 2000 hours in OW, Marvel Rivals looks infinitely more like Smite than it ever does to OW. The comparisons to OW are downright baffling to me

[@beausis]

It's not a direct competitor but it is an competitor. It similar to when a game like Elden Ring drops and ears up all the oxygen in the room aka gamers time and money, all the other games that launch during it's reign suffer. Smite is a MOBA though it looks most like Bleeding Edge

[@otsu3011]

My pro nouns: *buff-reinhardt*

[@luigi64fan]

Hammer down!

[@exaltedexile6290]

My pronouns as well

[@natedavis2944]

My pronouns are honor and glory

[@HoodieDOTpdf]

reddit is down the hall and to the left

[@mag1ckyle799]

"Let's make a great game." Truly a revolutionary concept. If you make a good product, people will buy it. Whoever came up with this little nugget of wisdom at Blizzard deserves all the raises.

[@TV-vz7rf]

I haven’t watched this yet and idk if I have time to, so to see if it’s relevant: What is this one about? Just talking about venture and how good the hero is for the game? Or are they just talking about the non-binary deal for 2 hours? Lol

[@dumass804]

From the timestamps, they only seem to talk about gameplay for the last 20 minutes. I don't watch the podcast for politics so I just gave it a miss this time

[@tyrantla7120]

​@dumass804 what politics did they get into?

[@mylorddio8272]

​@@tyrantla7120 look at Bonez and take a wild guess

[@dumass804]

@@tyrantla7120 I wouldn't know cause I only used the timestamps to inform myself on what they talked about in each section. The majority of it seems to just be circlejerking each other in an echo chamber about the importance of representation in media, which I don't really care to listen to since I don't come to this podcast for that type of conversation. I just wanna hear in depth game theory like they usually do on the podcast

[@gsoma4022]

​@@dumass804that is true I hate hearing about it constantly as well. It should be represented in every piece of media and thats it. We don't need a discussion on it. Just have your beliefs represented and let's leave it at that.

[@MrBreakdownx]

Bruh I need people to stop saying overwatch brings a world to live like no one else. Or the story is great. It doesn't exist man stop lying to people about it. Play other games and you will learn how wrong you are. Overwatch barely has a story. We just just got some lore here and there and almost nothing ever evolves from it.

[@beermarket9971]

Amen to that.

[@Maverick_1926]

Bruh I remember at the beginning people were criticising this aspect heavily. Saying that OW heroes are too plain and the lore is too simple compared to the mercenaries of Tf2. Now it seems everyone has changed conplitely opionio l and OW is a masterpiece of lore and story. It's a joke

[@BigNastyKail]

Weird fareeha was talking about mandarin and I was stocking shelves at my store listening, holding a cup of mandarin oranges. Rofl. Freaky.

[@hiermax2882]

4 people on the show 2 i have no ideal if its 2 males or 2 females or 3 males and 1 female ? Than i have to hear about them trying to explain it.... Im not even gonna go into the race thing they went into... holy shit that was hard to listen to. Language police at its finest here

[@legendaryslay2644]

pls explain y u care, if u struggle listening then dont as a great man once said "let people be people"

[@hiermax2882]

@@legendaryslay2644 I care about the new hero. Its a overwatch podcast. Didnt know I had to care about your sexual preferences. Let people be people? If you can't accept yourself the way you were born why should I?

[@legendaryslay2644]

@@hiermax2882 No one said u did have to care about their preferences. But the way your arguing feels that you do care. You may hate the language police but you are just acting as the opposite end of the spectrum and are no better. It is an OW podcast and they talked about an OW issue I fail to see where you are going with this point but maybe you can expand on that. If you came here for the talk about gameplay as well there are chapters very nicely laid out for you to skip through for that point.

[@hiermax2882]

​@@legendaryslay2644Its not about you or how you "feel ' or how I said it... I'll make it very clear for you. Just as others have in the comments It is a overwatch podcast, even in the title it says venture debate. Given the thumbnail I should of thought otherwise. Your feelings about your preferences, or pronouns, or general way of life have nothing to do with gameplay or overwatch. How the character plays, match ups or even hacking is.

[@Vastspartan]

Its two woman and men. Two lesbians

[@khblack1572]

I see a lot of bad comments so I wanted to say I really enjoyed this episode! I understand some people found it disrespectful but I'm glad they took the time to discuss and educate about those important matters that not everybody are used to or know very well. Also, of course my man likes Master of none. It's the best show

[@themystikone]

Reinstalled the game yesterday because I had to quit tank but after playing Venture I feel like this was a DPS character made for me! The poke/Brawl heavy play style is something I love! Plus the fact that I have movement options to get away if I start making mistakes, but that's only if I manage my cool downs properly. I think Venture might be great in a lot of Dive and Poke comps, with some good potential to take out stragglers that try and run away from a fight. Sometimes I feel like They are a trade hero... depending on the situation (Bap puts up lamp or I'm trying to fight a soldier or Cassidy) It seems like I have to give my life to take theirs. Like to kill a special target I have to die unless I have a healer. This isn't bad just something I noticed and it can help the team win sometimes honestly. I was fighting a Moriya because she kept killing our supports in the back line so I went to try and get her off of them.(We had a Hanzo but she faded circles around us not his fault it's mine 😂) and she did her ult and I was able to duk it out with her and kill her but I immediately died by a stray bullet and i couldn't dig because i needed to dodge some over her ult. She isn't the only example but she was the one that stuck out in my mind. Overall I like the hero a lot but I wish I had just a tiny bit more shield a couple points not any crazy like 25 maybe like 10. But I'm not a pro or anything just someone who played a lot of OW and this is my genuine thoughts after like 3/4 hours I'm gonna get back on tonight and go play some more. Thoughts on the character before watching.

[@japanesecurry01]

Poke? 😭 bro they are dive/ brawl

[@themystikone]

@@japanesecurry01 yes I understand what they are. I'm saying I have found success in those ranges going I'm and out at mid to close stacking the aoe when people stick together is useful

[@themystikone]

I wish it was bigger though not by a lot just a bit

[@solomonterrell3051]

Id love to see somjuu, or honestly any black streamer or person of merit in the ow community thats black on the podcast.

[@CapitalSans]

Agree on somjuu

[@Maverick_1926]

Woke up podcast.

[@jaredanthonyofficial]

Bottom left person cares to much personally about the heroes characteristics rather than playing the game. Who here plays reaper cause they want to feel dark and edgy? Like what are ya’ll talking about..?

[@metazeen]

I main wrecking ball because I identify as a hamster 🐹🐹🐹

[@STartist.]

That's literally the reason this game blew up in 2016, and is still a major part of the appeal of the casual player base. You're telling me you don't think mercy mains like playing the cute girly character and only care about the mechanics?