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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
If you enjoy war thunder or Microsoft flight simulator 2020 or even dogfighting in Battlefield 2042, consider getting yourself into Digital Combat Simulator by Eagle Dynamics, the Combat side of Aviation with the BVR and Dogfights really provides a different and interesting perspective on aviation. You can fly all kinds of combat aircraft including the F-16, F-15, F-14, JF-17, Su-27, Mig-29, Mirage and the F-18 Hornet along with many other aircraft and helicopters like the Ka-50 and Mi-8.

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Check out Thrustmaster: bit.ly/tmpromogs Check out the Merch Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com/ LONGSHOT's CHANNEL: kzbin.info/door/szke4C7G1THhlh0puHWZ1g Just a little fun dogfighting some Felons like the Top Gun 2 movie, Big thank you to Longshot for helping with this video deff checkout his channel and big thank you to CubanAce for his work on the SU-57 Felon. Hope you guys enjoyed the video and I'll see you in the next one, Much Love.

[@fubaralakbar6800]

You can't beat a plane that has a "Teleport to enemy's six" button.

[@MACRONOne]

@NoSoyAllowed copium?

[@the-lag-gamerita5446]

@@MACRONOne the only people taking copium are the ones that think this jet will ever be' as capable as shown in dcs.

[@hertzwave8001]

what if you have a tail gunner

[@MACRONOne]

@NoSoyAllowed Well, the F14 is then?

[@johndreyer9730]

Lol

[@rootstriker8209]

My favorite part of the movie was how the fifth gen fighter had its radar confused going low but the old F-14 didn't

[@raadshafie2658]

That is a true statement.

[@SPFLDAngler]

The targeting system for rockets... when Mav got his lock they had flown back up, before going back in for a gunfight… Pay more attention

[@axil5332]

@@SPFLDAngler What rockets? IR ones? It doesn't make sense to me that a missile gets confused by being near the ground when it only needs to see a high temperature engine.

[@joes6883]

The difference between a 25 year old radar detection system and a more advanced one. They forgot to include below Hard Deck dogfighting.

[@lloyd9710]

he didn’t have his radar switched on

[@anpan6282]

“It’s not about the plane, It’s about the pilot” GS: In this case, I feel like it’s about the plane

[@benoit.viguier]

I was looking for that comment. :D

[@jon2qt_746]

that's because the pilot in this case was not Tom cruise xDD

[@anpan6282]

@@jon2qt_746 We will not have GS slander on this channel

[@PrimarchX]

From what I've heard about the F-22s flight control system, you pretty much remove the 'aviate' part of 'aviate, navigate, communicate' mantra of pilotage. You tell the airplane where you want to be and where you want to point your nose and it puts you there, physics permitting.

[@__-fm5qv]

@@PrimarchX To be fair though thats exactly what every single fly-by-wire system does, the F-22 just has more computing power and engine/vectoring power to pull off more ridiculous stuff.

[@KineticVT]

"I think I can get my nose on him before he can-" Su-57: *"Privet"*

[@sf1292]

Privyet*

[@rocksparadox]

@@sf1292 Privyet , state sponsored private jet!

[@sf1292]

@@rocksparadox Sponsored all over the states

[@Snotyy]

@@sf1292 privet is more correct. Мне то ты можешь поверить...

[@flonkplonk1649]

@@Snotyyit's privyet! e is in Russian like ye

[@danielelombardo8196]

"Tomcat getting bullied by a Felon for 10 minutes straight"

[@sf1292]

Tomcat being bullied by an anti-gravity fighter jet for 10 minutes straight.

[@craigdaily4510]

Crashing into the Felon at the end was probably the most cost effective outcome🤣

[@simonmarcoux5879]

I red an article recently and a F-14 in today's $ is outrageously expensive!

[@DChrls]

If GS had some Dr. Scholl's Gel insoles he might have stood a chance. Because he would have been, *Gellin' like a Felon*.

[@UFO721]

Well that was desperate 🥲😅😂🤣

[@The_Dark_Lord-69]

Allahu Akbar!

[@narcissus79]

I believe that is what we call a Fox 4 situation

[@cheapcraftingforbeginners3470]

This was really eye-opening to someone who doesn't fully comprehend the gap between fighter gens. Thank you!

[@eiite4578]

@@charlescarmichael1124 This is just sad to read, the only thing that is certain about the F-22 is that it's stealth is alot better than the Felons, we don't know enough about the SU-57 to really confirm which is better.

[@HahaHaha-gq8ft]

@@eiite4578 yes we do . I think its the fact that you don't know what your talking about. The fact is the f22 has been in service for years . It is a better plane in almost every scenario .

[@taelorpickel2830]

@@HahaHaha-gq8ft And that proves nothing. Cause the F-22 has no combat experience either. We know very little of the specifications of the SU-57 either.

[@arunaschlevickas322]

@@HahaHaha-gq8ft i can tell for sure that you have no clue about neither of them. nor does anyone else outside of people directly involved. Guessing is not the same as knowing for sure. su57 may be busted the moment it enters any high g maneuver or it may actually be able to shoot down f22's with no more than a buttons press. being in service for years make it more likely that f22 will have less fatal flaws, but combat service would be sure to bring out some more, and there is not enough info about current state of su57 in service so where do you even get that info yours?

[@quasimotto8653]

@@eiite4578 We do know that the 57 exists in such relatively irrelevant numbers that it's essentially non-existent. Last I heard, they are no longer in production and there are only SIX that are even close to "combat ready". How many flight hours do you think all of the Russian Su-57 pilots have? How do you think that number compares to all of the American F-22 pilots and all of the flight hours of F-35 pilots? I have no doubt that a 2020 Bugatti Chiron is a more "capable" car than a 2014 Chevy Corvette. But if you get 4 days of training behind the wheel of the Corvette and I only get 30 minutes of training in the Bugatti..........I'm betting that you are going to beat me in a 10 lap race around the SPA in Belgium.

[@jackburrows5850]

employing the strategy of intentionally crashing into your enemy in order to kill them when you don't have any other choice is absolute madness. I died laughing at that

[@hurobiont1054]

It's the only way to be sure

[@benjaminhouseholder2086]

I mean we can't do that to them all. 38 million dollars just to crash into the Su-57 is kind risky but funny

[@jollyroger8671]

​@@benjaminhouseholder2086 38 million dollars are crashing to 130 million dollars, thats a good trade off.

[@Dude408f]

Is NOT madness if it’s the only feasible

[@Fishing4Fish96]

I mean Russia doesn’t have many and they’re hard to replace for them. So I imagine an F16 for a SU57 is a good trade off

[@camaross1gen]

GS living the legacy of Admiral Benson from Hot Shots the movie- "You know, I've personally flown over 194 missions and I was shot down on every one. Come to think of it, I've never landed a plane in my life."

[@valcyrilestrada]

the most underrated comment Ive heard in years....

[@ErokCherokee]

”God I love a good funeral!” -Admiral Benson "Really? That's my name too!”

[@droman608]

😳💥😂🤣

[@mikhailryzhov9419]

Hot Shots 3 must happen.

[@DBSTH0R]

hahahahaha

[@travisday3669]

SU-57 maneuvers like its in ace combat. Literally insane.

[@drparadox2106]

you saw that too, i will never shit talk project wingman or ace combat realism ever

[@yastyman]

@@weasle2904 there are many real videos with a demonstration of the flight of the Su-35 and Su-57, there is no difference

[@viacheslav1]

@@weasle2904 sure?)

[@topbanana.2627]

@@weasle2904 it is pretty close to real life

[@javasoldier5926]

for sure its not real flight model. If turn logic on there is not much difference between two such plain in a dog fight. the fresher model must be much better in avionics and targeting. but fact from the real life : India got fresh SU-** but got to run from Pakistan F-16

[@OpeoAslam]

I like the "drop flares so hopefully they'll end up in his engines" tactic. Very unexpected

[@burnt_playz7853]

ya know the Chinese did that to one of our RAAF intelligence planes. They did it with chaff though.

[@77Avadon77]

lololol

[@OpeoAslam]

@@burnt_playz7853 Did it work?

[@elisnider8191]

@@OpeoAslam it was just meant to provoke them, but yeah it caused some damage

[@OpeoAslam]

@@elisnider8191 Oh damn, that's nuts!

[@Ofnir_Grabacr_]

I couldn’t help but smile when Rooster said “it’s the pilot, not the plane.” Sure skill gap between pilots can make a difference in a dogfight, but the difference between fighter generations is hardly an aesthetic choice. The things that Sukhoi aircraft can do is nothing short of impressive, and that was before they even had a 5th generation. The Felon is to be feared.

[@aquarius5719]

I was amused by that. Pure Gary Stu Dunning Kruger effect.

[@CS_Mango]

"The felon is to be feared" When it sees combat in the 1st place. As for now it stays far away from enemy lines safely tucked away in some hangar.

[@kriegdeathkorps6035]

@@CS_Mango It already seen in the Syria, though warfare there was veeery far from "real" intensity it was desinged for. Heard it going to be used in the Uk. So, chances we can hear about Felon some time soon. Mby.

[@frenchfry1479]

Of NATO get a hold of the felon then yes, they would make it as stealthy as an F-22 with that hyper maneuverability

[@spechund7109]

@@CS_Mango for once you people can't say Russian equipment doesn't work, so you switch to "it's not going to see combat" 🥱

[@Vanessaira-Retro]

Many TOMCATs were harmed in the making of this video... 😢

[@awabaziz7029]

Lol

[@Nolangrayson_1000]

Guys i think she's a pilot

[@_Qu3so_]

The SU-57 is one of the only aircraft that move like they are lagging, and it works way to well! It flys pretty much like a bird

[@WadælTheDisciple]

hummingbird

[@kaminenianirudh]

F22 raptor says hi

[@devendra_singh_rathore]

@@kaminenianirudh ghantaa 😂😂 Su 57 is newer tech and much better than old american shit F22

[@omniyx7837]

@@devendra_singh_rathore F22 is a lot better than f22 are you ok? Su57 isn't even 5th gen its 4.5

[@shahshah2650]

@Thule Otsija No actually su 57 can maneuver like that since its engines can act independently.

[@Supershade9421]

4:21 was such a badass maneuver

[@Tankdestroyer467]

*"I am testing this aircraft. You must find your own skies."* Watching this makes me realize that the reality of the Ace Combat universe is getting closer and closer.

[@eaMCMLXXIX]

I wonder how they put the 99 missiles of each type under the wings.

[@denizberkaydeniz7483]

@eamMCMLXXIX Belkan technology

[@LightningSaix]

@@eaMCMLXXIX F-15EXXX

[@febrianadji5758]

99 missiles 21 SAAM 9999 bullets

[@zequadragaming8984]

Everybody gangsta till the sky starts speaking in Latin.

[@mikeyhbr]

Question: The movie indicated that the F-14 is able to split its thrust. (Adjust engine power separately.) Maverick combined this with left rudder (and I think vertical pitch) to induce a spiral and decrease air speed. Instinctively I would think that this would induce a flat spin, but I just don't know. Does DCS allow you to split the thrust?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Yes DCS does allow it and you’re correct that it would induce a flat spin lol. Mostly because the engines are pretty far apart in the f14, but differential thrust works well with the f15 with the engines tight together.

[@ryanleng8529]

After rewatching that scene I decided to play around with the asymmetric throttle limiter off pulling back stick and yawing in the same direction of the yaw from the engine and it does sort of induces a spiral like manoeuvre but you bleed air speed soo quickly that it doesn't appear like it does in the movie and like you said it just induces a flat spin.

[@sawspitfire422]

I mean, a flat spin would induce a spiral and decrease air speed so technically a win? lol

[@franken-aye1177]

Flat spin, spiral, either way felon still wins. 😆

[@Haya-OhWaves]

@@GrowlingSidewinder I'm not quite sure but I seem to have read an interview with an Iraqi pilot in which he said he saw a few rare Tomcats using asymmetric thrust in air combat during the conflict between Iraq and Iran...

[@madworld109]

"You gotta get low. The terrain will confuse his targeting systems"

[@kendallbedford2523]

From watch it looks like the Su57 has some extreme maneuverability which means don't get in a turning fight with this beast.

[@sibidinakaran4757]

back in the ol' days when look down radar wasnt a thing

[@hemendraravi4787]

@@sibidinakaran4757 yea like lmao that thing has really good radar at that point it won't even matter , it also has irst lol

[@alexandersiebert4302]

Isnt that tactic for BVR?!

[@bean108]

@@alexandersiebert4302 Won't work. Radar's just gotten too advanced for that kind of fuckery.

[@thebesttastingbleach6915]

This video was not the super mundane view chaser I thought it was. Very entertaining and somewhat educational. Thank you for your hard work, editing and putting hours into this.

[@darrenjones2933]

Just asking because I'm not sure. Aren't F-22's and F-35's able to datalink to AWACS for the AWACS to guide missiles without the American jets ever turning on their radar?

[@smitty4483]

@@darrenjones2933 depends on the missile, the one they have in the movie are heat seekers

[@platiuscyndar9017]

@@darrenjones2933 they do have access to Datalink, which does do this to my knowledge. Of course, the F14 doesn't.

[@MarionTIA]

@@smitty4483 AIM-9X actually have TDL, not sure if they're 2-way. Still, that's pretty overkill for a heater. Granted, the 9X is on the edge of being a BVR missile, so pretty much everything on it is overkill for being a heater.

[@genericyoutubeusername6462]

IM trusting you

[@bleakambition495]

F-14: “haha, I’m in danger!”

[@icyrust8831]

In the danger zone.

[@BlueCation]

Zone

[@pjohns9532]

Growling’s comparison to it flying like a controlled paper plane is spot on. How that thing maneuvered was like it was weightless

[@gabrielcalda7033]

Sukhoi's motto: "Physics sold seperately"

[@radityabudimansyah1240]

@@gabrielcalda7033 physics didnt exist i sukhoi aviation

[@niklasdahlgren7641]

When an enemy airplane can basically do a handbrake 180 turn and just get on your six you know you are outmatched.

[@Iceman-hb3uk]

Wasn't expecting that end lol Btw that's a tactic I used when I did a 1v8 with a Mig-29S against F-16, I finished both missiles (only had 2 r-73) and guns but still had one guy, I just thought "the bottom of my plane must be more resistant than his rudder". I was right, I had quite some damage but actually took off part of his plane, so I just crash landed my plane while he just smashed on the ground. Guess you gotta get creative sometimes.

[@Jesse-qy6ur]

@Iceman: When in doubt, use fox four.

[@retardmoguss]

@@Jesse-qy6ur truly well said

[@the_eskimo93]

The MiG 29s aswell as other Russian air superiority aircraft (SU27-37) and ground attack craft like the SU25 can land on their belly, be lifted and landing gear unrestricted/opened and set off flying again

[@the_eskimo93]

So using the belly on a Russian plane is a good tactic 😂

[@Iceman-hb3uk]

@@the_eskimo93 well, as long as it works is good enough for me 😂

[@SlipKnot7866]

"it's not the plane, it's the pilot in the box..." "...and instantly lost visual. Where'd he go?" "WHERE'D WHOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

[@ronlucock3702]

4:42 "Two missles dodged from Felon...(multiple bullet hits)... oh, never mind" (ejects, again...)

[@mortenBP]

Yeah... "dodge this!"

[@harrystone8847]

Interesting info; Aircraft built in 60's thru the 80's were designed to be stable, whereas the newer aircraft are designed to be unstable. If you were to remove the flight control computer from the 5th generation aircraft, and some of the 4th generation fighters, the pilot would not be able to maintain stable flight, and they would have to eject. That's why the Felon is able to make those kind of turns, and the F-14 can't.

[@zeenom2794]

How else would you expect the 5th gen aircrafts to get these super maneuverability, Both the F-22 and Su-57 can literally dance in the air 😅

[@yo_Oga]

The Russian SU 27 planes were built on the same principle, different from the classic weight distribution in airplanes (the center of gravity is not in the front). I think there was a case at Le Bourget when the control system of SU 27 failed and the pilot manually flew the flight program and finished the flight. Of course, it is a matter of pilot skills, but still planes can be controlled without balancing systems in case of emergency.

[@TremblingKiwi]

"If you were to remove the flight control computer from the 5th generation aircraft" Well. Step further and take vectored thrust from 5th gen. Or guns, IDK.

[@hllboi817]

Fly by wire vs mechanical

[@NhatHuy8204]

Elite Dangerous players: *flight assist off*

[@Ridingrules10000]

The maneuverability of that thing is mind-blowing.

[@bennyb7772]

Ummm it’s a simulation

[@Ridingrules10000]

@@bennyb7772, are you saying it's not a good simulation?

[@niclink1030]

​@@Ridingrules10000 prob not

[@CRJCrombo]

Felon for sure can do these maneuvers. Su-37 could do them and it’s not a current gen plane. The russians really value “supermaneuverability” but the thing is that it’s generally useless since it loses you most of the energy and then you are basically dead in the air if there is a second plane to capitalize. I would like to see this again but with two F-14 and I would say that only about half of the time the Felon would be able to get both…

[@REDrodder]

@@CRJCrombo i can agree with you but don`t you think that the fact that one su-57 can 50/50 win against two f-14 is quite good?

[@Ilke2gofst]

Omfg 😂 that last one had me dying. Good (yet highly unfair) fight. Cool to see how they match up though. Thanks for the vid GS.

[@CastawayHikes]

I would be really interested to see a Felon and a Supermarine Spitfire in a guns only match. The video you did before on the Spitfire vs modern aircraft was really interesting and entertaining

[@N8TheSnake]

THIS!!! WE ARE HERE FOR THIS!!!

[@igorkatkov1957]

Su57 is way faster more maneurable and have computer assisted gun fire. I think the answer is obvious

[@justinmorgan2126]

Spitfire will die every single time. It would be a farce.

[@sir-stabs-a-lot5626]

@@igorkatkov1957 Well if the Felon can lock on to the Spitfire

[@igorkatkov1957]

Why not. Spitfire is from iron) western were always rich. So no problem for radar. Actually it would take on radar even wooden russian Yak and La) And Su57 can fly at like 500miles per hour which is perfect for the case. No problem.

[@chrisdouglas4427]

In keeping with Top gun, have two Hornets vs 1 Felon lol. That should be fun to watch.

[@cobrac4t34]

Maverick ramming the Felon would have been the most plausible means of getting kill. Mav would have been like "I am the missile" haha

[@joshuanewman1273]

To think the F-22 can compete and win with it just shows how capable both these aircraft are.

[@PhilipTrouble]

The F-22 can win, but it’s a fairly even fight, and I think it’s super fun to watch the all-mighty F-22 struggle for once, instead of just dominating

[@Crimsonking741]

@@PhilipTrouble “finally, a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!”-chad f-22

[@alekosalekadis6095]

@NoSoyAllowed you can compare from real videos doing maneuvers and shows. Damn! They are almost indedical with simulator Dcs. I have watch many videos with f.22 show off and su 57.

[@PhilipTrouble]

@NoSoyAllowed It’s an extremely capable machine, enough that the European militaries decided the Eurofighter Typhoon won’t be able to handle it any longer. And I‘m very sure that Sukhoi was specifically tasked to conceive an aircraft capable of taking on the Raptor when they got the contract for building them

[@andrewrogers3067]

@@PhilipTrouble The F22 has faced the Su57 three times on this channel, and it won twice and tied once (though in that video they did an extra round, so the F22 still won).

[@EnigmaticAnomaly]

Only in Hollywood would an old Tomcat best a modern day stealth fighter.

[@Shade01982]

It only barely deserves that title though. It's RCS is estimated to be almost similar to a Super Hornet without external attachments. Not all that stealthy...

[@adriankovac1943]

Yeah su57 does not have a stealth shape so it's rcs is way to high to be a stealth fighter.

[@wala3o]

@@Shade01982 keep estimating

[@Shade01982]

@@wala3o Not my job. Comes from official sources.

[@wala3o]

@@Shade01982 must be true then 🤡

[@travwrestle]

I'd like to see the very tight formation start where 3 planes are basically wingtip to wingtip. Also, you would have to keep the F14 wings swept back while dogfighting like Maverick did...(I guess because he just didn't think going up against a fifth gen was challenging enough)

[@Tfisgoingon69]

The best thing in the video was how the 30mm made short work of the tomcat in just a few hits, while in the movie mav took like 3 volleys of hits and survived

[@zeroneutral]

Mav got nicked once.

[@Michael-vz7si]

Mav had Plot Armor

[@hangarflying]

Yes, the “should” have died, but your test has the same issue that the simulator pilots investigating the Sully Hudson landing had: they knew what was going to happen and they were able to anticipate. So, you need to start a fight with him directly adjacent to you, and he can’t immediately react…he needs to delay his reaction. So, they’d be able to survive the first one. But I agree they wouldn’t survive any of the others.

[@kukuruyo5994]

There's also the small detail of Maverick being probably the best pilot in the planet XD

[@f0gxlight886]

Bro, he started on his six and still lost, the poor Tomcat has NOTHING on the 57.

[@real_dddf]

well in the last match he had element of surprise and successfully rammed him...

[@quasimondo1933]

I'm not sure what problems the simulator pilots investigating US Airways 1549 had, but those simulations were simply to answer the question of it was even possible for Sullenberg to make an emergency landing at Teterboro or return to LaGuardia (it should be noted that the NTSB never questioned his decision to land in the Hudson). Once the NTSB added a 35-second delay to the simulation to remove the anticipation of a dual bird strike (35 seconds being how long it took for Sullenbarg and FO Skiles to assess the situation, attempt one engine restart, and decide to ditch), none of those simulation pilots were able to make a successful landing at Teterboro or Laguardia.

[@ededdandeddytv5164]

Great use of quotation marks. Definitely necessary, or else we wouldn’t have understood what you’re saying.

[@trinigaming5664]

You'd think this video would take away from how much you enjoy the dog fight scene with the su's in the movie but instead i love it more, for me it added so much more meaning and context to rooster absolutely browning his pants seeing the su pull that maneuver to turn the tables from maverick being offensive to defensive. Amazing video!!

[@mauauauauaua14]

i appreciate how the directors knew that there's no way the Tomcat can beat su-57s in a turn fight, so they made it a chase sequence , using mostly reversals (or asymmetric thrust and herbst maneuver magic) to get to the others six. The canyon terrain confusing the Felon's targeting system is a stretch , but it's still better than Maverick outturning the Felon hahaa

[@joelmitchell4289]

I was a top gun kid in the 90s, and when I saw an air show in 2021 with an f-22 and a f-18 RHINO, I was blown away with how maneuverable the aircraft were. Imagine the stuff they are not publicizing. Great vid to show just how far these aircraft have come

[@thanush3351]

POV: u liked the vid before u watch it

[@2ndtonone1000]

Remember, It's not the plane, it's the man in the box.

[@viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476]

Every time

[@Maxtherocketguy]

Me

[@jamesbizs]

I wish the POV nonsense would just end

[@Captain_Matias_Torres]

4:22, SU-57 just casually does a PSM from ace combat

[@antijumpscareagency4506]

7:20 favorite part. that confusion tho..

[@maliburallye350]

It's pure top gun 2 fantasy! An airplane with the characteristics of the SU57 against an airplane developed practically in the 60s and that is currently out of service for 16 years!

[@dominiksoukal]

Yup no way there would be 75% of it's entire production run in the air just patrolling

[@pranshuchauhan6379]

Su57 can easily kill latest jets such as F22 and F35 in dog fight

[@maliburallye350]

@@pranshuchauhan6379 Don't exaggerate or hallucinate either! The SU57 is capable but with the F22 and the F35 it would be a good fight in BVR and Dogfight! In fact the SU57 is not yet fully operational for open combat, this is said by the same company that manufactures it!

[@rickstark85]

@@pranshuchauhan6379 troll

[@viethoangtruong5539]

@@rickstark85 To be honest, only the F22 has any remote chances for a fair fight with the SU57. F35 is not designed for air superiority. It is more of a jack of all trades. Even the newest versions of SU30SM and SU35S are enough to fight against the F35.

[@redshirt5126]

GS: "Did he just slot into my six?" Su-57 pilot: "да" shoots missile.

[@hyfy-tr2jy]

just like the movie says though....its not the plane...its the pilot. Obviously our host does not have the industrial grade plot armor that Maverick has

[@PerversePoster]

I feel like you forgot to take in to account the element of surprise for the first plane (in the movie not in your clip). He wasn't expecting to be shot down. But the second guy would never have lost.

[@trequor]

It's one thing to fly a miracle jet. It's quite another to use one in close combat. Nobody dogfights anymore. The original Top Gun knew this.

[@Celtkin]

Best.ending.ever! You two guys make the best videos together! Always a treat.

[@luciusbouchard3533]

Agreed !

[@lzm82]

Mav: Against 5th Gen Fighters Rooster: It's not the plane, it's the pil... Mav: Go watch some Growling Sidewinder videos son!!

[@daddystu7046]

go watch Hamilton in his mercedes

[@Squidgy55]

That Su is majestic. Insane how it floats like that.

[@romainlavoie1526]

This is actually how it should play out in a Felon Vs Tomcat dogfight . GS using the '''" ejection seat '"' button LOL Excellent Video :)

[@Noisy_Cricket]

Watching so much DCS actually lowered my enjoyment of the movie lol. During the air battles, in my head I was saying, "yeah, that wouldn't happen."

[@dominiksoukal]

Exactly the SU-57 wouldn't even take off

[@Noisy_Cricket]

@@dominiksoukal haha, well there's THAT too lol.

[@doc0core]

When Tom Cruise goes mach 10.1 by pushing the stick (not throttle control) forward...

[@zxhiend]

@@doc0core isnt that why he got 10.1 mach?

[@doc0core]

@@zxhiend pushing the stick pitch the plane down, not increase thrust

[@lethalamb3r618]

Very impressive that you actually managed to pull it off at the end. Just shows what a truly remarkable pilot you are

[@fatitankeris6327]

When in doubt, use fox 4?

[@Kazperh]

@@fatitankeris6327 Guns?

[@thorssensgamesNCC1701]

It's an ok stick for starters but when the throttle wears out, it will not stay put and will drift because it's top heavy. I got the T16000M stick&throttle combo and with a little greasing the rails with electronics grease, it works great and a little adjustment made it better than out of the box.

[@tigereyewong9757]

DCS does not model "Maverick Plot Armor" (MPA). 🤣 ...in an F-14 without MPA enabled, no one stands a chance against an Su-57. 😜

[@user-su6ts9wm1h]

Su-75 would destroy it

[@RaycoRedFox]

Pff lol maybe in a dogfight but those are a thing of the past. As much as ppl want to romanticise them the reality today is you'll get blown out of the sky without even seeing your enemy :P

[@WayfaringWitness]

Now redo the fight with a hilly topography map. Let's see if the terrain would confuse his targeting system 😂

[@braedynhoward3644]

lol

[@mckennaConfig]

"AGAINST 5TH GENERATION FIGHTERS!?!" "It's not the plane, it's the pilot."

[@peekaboo1575]

*Cut to a scene of Maverick dying*

[@mrpcwilly]

Wouldn't the f-14 have performed better if you had swept the wings all the way back, or used some of the advantages offered by variable sweep technology eg side slip?

[@VidZarg]

Wings swept back is better for speed, but turning you need the completly in front.

[@andrewrogers3067]

Maverick: It’s not the plane, it’s the pilot Su57: I DISAGREE!

[@30AndHatingIt]

A pilot with decades of experience and 3 kills, with 4000 hours in a fighter… vs a younger pilot with no combat experience and 400 hours… the result is not guaranteed in favor of the younger pilot.

[@comareborn8734]

@@30AndHatingIt With this large of a difference in airframe performance. I'd take a green pilot in an Su 57 over a veteran in a tomcat. The pilot of the Su 57 would have to be majorly incompetent and/or actively having a heart attack to lose to a tomcat.

[@andrewrogers3067]

@@30AndHatingIt I doubt the guy flying the Su57 casually pulling a falling leaf while dodging a missile is a greenhorn.

[@Name-ps9fx]

In the movie, Mav split the throttles, left = 0, rt = AB. hard left roll+left rudder (I think) and that made a sort-of trust vector movement.

[@airbus_3209]

flat spin

[@cipher8971]

That will induce Flat Spin

[@Haya-OhWaves]

I'm not quite sure but I seem to have read an interview with an Iraqi pilot in which he said he saw a few rare Tomcats using asymmetric thrust in air combat during the conflict between Iraq and Iran...

[@Name-ps9fx]

@@airbus_3209 Indeed, it did....but a very short duration spin, enough to get a missile shot.

[@airbus_3209]

@@Name-ps9fx still would be a flat spin

[@harrybyaqussamprayuga1756]

4:08 when the protagonist realized he's outgunned

[@Phyde4ux]

The true situation in this scenario is that the SU-57 would have shot down the F-14 long before a dogfight would have occurred. Both fighters are designed to fight in beyond-visual-range (BVR) scenarios. In the movie, RIO of the F-14 was unable to use his equipment, therefore they would have been dead long before the pilot ever made visual contact.

[@cykeok3525]

"In the movie" you say... Well... in the movie the Felons thought the F-14 was friendly, they had no idea it had been stolen.

[@Phyde4ux]

@@cykeok3525 Not the last one.

[@cykeok3525]

@@Phyde4ux True that

[@vladkoroliov3726]

That's right, friend! And the movie Top Gun 2 Maverick is, unfortunately, an inflamed fantasy of the screenwriter and director of the film!

[@stormykeep9213]

From what I've heard, the Tomcat was basically too big and heavy for a turning fight....just a big radar with big long-range missiles :)

[@richardgivens9845]

The F-14 was designed to engage swarms of Soviet bombers from long distance to protect our aircraft carriers.

[@roberthickerty390]

Essentially designed to carry the Phoenix missile, a beyond visual bomber killer. It was developed when it was thought dogfighting was in the past. So it had to be big to carry 4 big missiles.

[@kool4209]

All old planes were that.... of course now theyre sleeker and can maneuver better

[@Տիգրան-ժ1է]

Su-57 is not big? It's the size of a MiG-31

[@kendellmoore8367]

How those Fighter pilots must've felt when encountering those UAPs, "*How did they do that? It's almost like they're a piece of paper*"! lol

[@mr.z6252]

Since you flown the F-16 Quite well, i wonder if you can Drag Su-57 to the Ground like what you did to the F-22 couple Months Ago (Guns Only, If possible)

[@imadude85]

He already did that. I've seen the video maybe 2 weeks ago. F16 vs SU57. He won.

[@mr.z6252]

@@imadude85 noooo.... that 1 is in BVR Setup, where He bait the Su-57 to get closer while GS using Terrain Masking to help him out

[@BonesCapone]

My question from the final fight was whether Mav *needed* to engage. The merge was high-aspect, the Tomcat was already pointed towards the carrier, and the Felon away from it. Couldn't he have nosed down slightly and just gunned it? Can't nose over too steep or they'd lose speed in the pullout, but I feel he could've ran to the coverage of his carrier's on-board defenses. CIWS might be optimistic, but surely they could've levied their odds better by getting closer, rather than turning to engage.

[@30AndHatingIt]

My thoughts exactly, he’s almost home free. Tomcat has the top speed advantage too. But here’s another point, the Su had to have already been within range of the carrier group to even be oncoming head on like that… so he should have already been dealing with hell.

[@PinkyPowers]

This was discussed in the scene between Maverick and Rooser. Maverick explains, you can't outrun those missiles. And he's right. Not at those distances. They're well within the MAR.

[@InstinctBassin]

Navy pilots are typically taught to keep other aircraft away from the carrier.

[@BonesCapone]

​@@PinkyPowers The MAR is for the still head-on section of BVR, and is the distance at which you could turn away and just out-range the missile, rather than trying to defeat it with notching, chaff, or simply forcing it into too tight of a turn to hit. The head-on SU only fires 1 front-quarter missile, and he defeats it with a slight pull up and flares. After he defeats that missile, Mav's would have the only ideal opportunity to disengage and bolt - the SU is still gonna take time and more distance to come nose hot again, and you need to be closer for a rear-quarter missile than front. Mav and Rooster's convo was in the earlier situation, where the SU's were not only already flying same direction, but already VERY close. A very different setup than a head-on merge. In that merge, for the SU to get the kill he has to - 1. Pull 180* of turn (the gap is widening) 2. Accelerate back out of the turn (the gap is widening) 3. Reacquire lock on Mav (the gap is widening) 4. Fire the missile off the rail (the gap is widening) 5. Have the missile accelerate past what the F14 is doing for speed to actually close the distance (the gap widens less, then finally starts to close) 6. Have enough flight/burn time to actually catch up to the F14 (the gap is closing, but the distance the missile is trying to reach is where the F14 will be, not where it already is). If we were to bring the speeds and distances WAY down, a tram topped out at 10 mph cannot out run me sprinting at 12 mph, provided I can run an hour, and the distance at start is less than 2 miles. But if I'm running the opposite direction, and it would take me more than 20 minutes to turn around and get back up to speed, the tram doesn't need to run 13 mph to outrun me, it just needs to maintain the 10 mph, because I can only run after it for an hour, and before that hour even starts, they have a 20+ minute headstart.

[@BonesCapone]

@@InstinctBassin Nothing you can do with no munitions.

[@danielecaruso5477]

Come on Mav… it’s not the plane, It’s the pilot

[@NKVD_Enjoyer]

if top gun maverick was acurate:

[@matthewhull5876]

Wouldn’t the best tactic be to use the inherent speed of the tomcat? You were fighting like the felon wants not like the tomcat wants.

[@shmevan_]

Can't use speed when you have to jam the WEZ

[@weasle2904]

@@shmevan_ He ran out of missiles, and tomcat is faster than the felon

[@matthewhull5876]

@@weasle2904 was gonna say…

[@CircusJeanie2399]

@@weasle2904 by the time he ran out of missiles it was too late both fights where he ran out he had a gun solution almost immediately after and the tomcat was slow and would have had to build up speed so extending would not have worked. Yes the tomcat is faster but that speed is not attainable instantaneously and until it found the top speed of the felon said felon would be glued to his tail with all the chances in the world to take shots.

[@rubiconbaron9662]

The thing that Maverick had in the movie, that you can't replicate, is the element of surprise. In the movie, he looked like one of them, and they thought he was one of them. They weren't anticipating the move.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

you're absolutely correct, this is a fair point.

[@rtbuncut4039]

f14: I can controll my wing sweep su57: I can do a litteral backflip while still increasing altitude

[@tolkienfan1972]

Awesome video. What an amazing way to demonstrate the difference in maneuverability!

[@itfnir8011]

we need a "su-57 vs" series, this looks hella fun

[@alanramiresbr]

guess it beats 10 aircraft easy in a solo flight

[@Asghaad]

@@alanramiresbr no it doesnt ... 2 maybe- if he kills the first guy fast enough before the other gets a weapons solution, 3 and its no contest by the time you try to engage the second the third has clear shot on you no matter what you do of course assuming competent pilots that split up on merge to push you from different angles

[@Asghaad]

@Mike Kabakov in BVR ... i WVR no chance as all you need is to one guy to go one way and the other in different, you cant defend against that. 3 + is just forgone conclusion from the start, its just question if you can kill the first guy before his two wingmates tear you a new one

[@Mr.SharkTooth-zc8rm]

One of my favorite military action movies of ALL time! That being said, the second time I watched on the big screen I thought to myself, "Yeah I don't know about this..." ✌🤓

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Same, but if you watch it with the understanding that it’s just a movie it’s still really good.

[@Mr.SharkTooth-zc8rm]

Oh Hell's Bell's YEAH!@@GrowlingSidewinder

[@bearwithabat]

They really are amazing machines. The Gen 5 fighters are going to absolutely change the concept of aerial warfare.

[@bkpickell]

Gen 6 is about to come out.

[@muffdriver69]

@@bkpickell 7th Gen just around the corner.

[@gnarcher]

Ah, yes... the old "I'll take you down with me" manouver. Masterful play.

[@druid4243]

One of the three somewhat air-worthy Su57s? The dogfight never would have happened to begin with lol.

[@costa4545]

3 ? lol xaxa

[@knightwhosayni1]

@@costa4545 Yes. 3. 13 made, 2 burned, only 3 are in army.

[@cedricbaudoin9941]

@@knightwhosayni1 They received 4 new ones.

[@cameronfilmmaker]

4:11 Exactly what Rooster was thinking in the back seat

[@cosmosaviatoric]

That "thing" is what our mamas used to say about "don't play with your meal". Although, great points to the SU-57: 10/10 Manev- Supermanevuerabilty (did I even write this right?!) 10/10 Targeting 10/10 Playing with his prey 10/10 FOREPLAYING WITH HIS PREY

[@junkname9983]

I wish we can see from the Felon's perspective what's going on because it's kind of hard to tell what he's doing to make him so good

[@P_Mann]

One of the things about the movie that didn’t sit well with me is the refrain that the equipment doesn’t matter-it’s the skill of the pilot that determines success. Maybe if the F14 pilot is the best ever *and* the SU57 pilot is completely incompetent?

[@Gosha_san]

На SU57 пилот будет очень опытный, потому что их не так много будет. Вам лучше не стоит мечтать что наш пилот будет курсантом на лучшем в мире истребителе.

[@eraserstp]

@@Gosha_san Пусть мечтают, это лучше когда противник тебя недооценивает.

[@artembeknazarian9125]

You are kidding ))) SU57 is now delivered to Lipetsk airbase special airforce regiment. Some of the best, if not the best RuASF pilots serve there. I bet only the best will have a chance to pilot SU57.

[@tizi087]

but he cant be incompetent when being able to fly such an 3D manouver

[@КириллВыгоняйло]

Кто посадит на лучшую технику новичка? Кто отправит охранять секретный объект, не компетентного специалиста? Это вам в кино показывают, как секретные базы охраняются призывниками и подобное. Но блядь, ни кто не задаст вопрос. Как лучшие пилоты, не умеют выполнять бомбометания и переносить перегрузки. И их за неделю готовят к самому важному заданию в мире. Блядь, просто детское мышление. Фильмы для тупых и делают, интелектуальное не поймёте , да и денег не заработать. Люди хавают другое.

[@michaelkossin2765]

Maybe the idea is whatever enemy is flying the Su-57s in the movie can't afford to train their pilots and Maverick is just so good of a pilot that the massive difference in airplanes' abilities is cancelled out.

[@AutorTegoFilmu]

You'd probably have higher chances with Spitfire here, since it's more agile. Then again, no flares makes it difficult to survive.

[@paper-sandwich-plays6517]

i don't think it would matter because prop engines don't make as much heat as jet engines, then again a gsh-30-1 30 mil. autocannon firing at 1600 rpm would do big hurt to anything unlucky enough to get hit by it sooooooooooooo

[@theamericancommie727]

@@paper-sandwich-plays6517 dude, all aspect missiles can lock on to props, their all aspect for a reason.

[@ZeykronZ]

Imma be real, I didn't really like Top Gun 2. I wanted a movie where the planes do cool things but the movie focused entirely on the people. The whole time the brass were saying, "Super Hornet vs 5th gen aircraft? What are you, stupid?" The answer would be yes but they forgot that they have plot armour stronger than Stalinium so they can waltz into a military airbase and splash 2 su57s in a F-14

[@Laxa30]

You took the idea of the movie too seriously then. It’s a movie. Not a documentary film. The fact actors got up in jets for some of these scenes and pulled Gs is what made it so good.

[@thebunnisher109]

@@Laxa30 but the plot goes over-the-top whereas the first film was somewhat believable

[@SerbanOprescu]

This was the most dramatic, merciless and decisive defeat I've seen GW take in a long while. Like, ever. The two aircraft are clearly not comparable. It makes me wonder what that movie was about (I haven't seen it).

[@StephensCrazyHour]

It was about the awesomeness of watching people fly fighter jets on screen for two hours to a kick arse sound track and a threadbare story thrown in. Nostalgia done right.

[@PatrickPlayz_48]

4:25 The felon just hit the backflip button and said "gravity is just a myth."

[@slyderace]

7:28 Had me go "WTF?! O_O"...

[@jonathonpion2042]

When all else fails just hit him with your own fighter.....

[@nooneyouknowhere6148]

Revert to WWII kamikazi mode

[@MysticEagle52]

Remember, switching to your plane is faster than reloading

[@-fulcrumer]

9:54 lmao that moment was perfect 🤣

[@soapa4279]

I can just imagine being a "normal" pilot and running into that superior jet and realizing your life is going to be over.

[@gamingwith5638]

It is only possible in movie.

[@jamesthestormchaser556]

Hey sidewinder, I would like to see the j-20 Mighty dragon vs f-22 raptor

[@TheNerdForAllSeasons]

Why would you want to see target practice?

[@jamesthestormchaser556]

It good for him

[@markthegamer5304]

You know what is interesting, it wouldn't go down, because non of the planes are actually combat ready, they are all just showcase models and one even crashed. Non of the russian Su-57's are actually "Combat operational" Nor are the engines for it even ready, it is a plane that nearly bankrupted Russia and a project that has failed so badly that the only change to make it providable is by exporting it to other countries as it is literally too expensive for Russia to afford more showcase models

[@sebastiaomendonca1477]

This is a movie recreation in a videogame, not reality

[@GodzHammer]

When he was guns only, I felt like I would have benefited from going to constant top speeds to try and make it hard for the guns but also make it easier for my missiles to lock and harder for him to notch said missiles. Just a hypothesis.

[@arthurvg2217]

I thought the same and then I remembered that his Tomcat had already jammed flaps... I think it would definitely loose the racing part to

[@Lokrion]

This is exactly what Wolfman was talking about in the locker room. -"Where did he go??" -"Where did who go?"

[@elijahhester3422]

Hey GS, I don't know if you have a video on this, but I think it would very interesting if you worked your way through different iconic American fighters like the F-16, F-15, and match them up against the Felon. Keep up the great content!

[@KeshikS2C]

Agreed, this is something I'd like to see as well. Viper, Strike Eagle, Super Hornet.

[@bluearmy6847]

Even though TGM had terrain on their side and was able to take the fight between the mountain, in reality the Falcon has a faster afterburner and well multirole capabilities that something as flat and big as the Tomcat can be a simple target for an R-73 Archer or R-37 Axehead.

[@sztypettto]

*Felon

[@ruiliu4157]

You need to have trained in flying in such terrain first. Think Maverick in the Tomcat, but a Rooster in the 5th-gen chasing in that steep valley. You just take the flying skills for granted.

[@huleyn135]

@@ruiliu4157 no matter what the sukhoi wins

[@ruiliu4157]

@@huleyn135 Easy. You can shoot a movie for yourself to enjoy. But you can't change TGM.

[@wolfdima]

I've seen some moves by SU-57 on YT - this thing must be incredibly agile in a dogfight

[@spicyice3754]

Sadly its unlikely to preform anywhere close to how Russia claims it will if it ever reaches full production at all

[@ZillaJr2005]

The airborne incarnation of “Why even try if it’s pointless?”.

[@bkup1332]

I wonder how an F-16 lightly loaded would do. Love to see that.

[@mariojanaf5474]

same thing...

[@DanTheTan]

I remember F-16 had a hard time dogfighting with late Mig-29s, It wouldn't even stood a chance against a Su-57 or even a Su-27. The reason I suppose is that planes are less of a gun platform but a missle platform nowadays, I don't think we'll ever have dogfights again.

[@mariojanaf5474]

@@DanTheTan more like a team of snipers today...

[@bkup1332]

@@DanTheTan in general, I agree with you, but there will still be cases where planes have to get close enough to visually ID the other one. IFF only responds "friend", sometimes the "unknowns" may have to be visually identified. I guess we'll see over the next few decades.

[@Al-ji4gd]

@@DanTheTan You have no idea what you're talking about. A modern F-16 V would crush pretty much any Russian fighter aircraft currently in service.

[@chubstheclown]

When he pulled alongside you to approximate what happened in Top Gun... the difference is, he knew exactly what you were going to do next. The pilot in the movie did not.

[@user-cc32vcg811]

as if that would have changed anything lmao

[@chubstheclown]

@@user-cc32vcg811 You don't think your reaction time would improve if you could see into the future? lmao

[@chubstheclown]

@@user-cc32vcg811 You don't think your reaction time would improve if you could see into the future? lmao

[@ranzkey1]

it doesnt matter even if he didnt knew the su57 couldve just got into the f14s six since its a literal 4th gen vs a 5th gen